Hoski,

I have no argument regarding your post on the traitor Jane Fonda, none at all. So why DID Obama kill the Keystone Pipeline? Appeasing the environazi's or ensuring a big cash flow to the Muslim bro's? Which is it?

There are many in this country who think Obama and his crowd are on a mission to tear down this country as we know it and make it more like the European sewer.

In my opinion, Obama is either a traitor or an incompetent idiot put where he is by the money men.

WAM

Hoski,

Consorting with the enemy during an armed conflict is treason, nothing more, nothing less. I am not in the business of forgiveness of traitors and never forget one. No bogey man, just the facts.

No worries Sarge. I agree, Fonda will always be a low life traitor.

There is a bar near our Camp that has Hanoi Jane urinal targets in the mens room urinals. I love going there. Piss on Jane Fonda and the bum who wants to honor her.

At the very least, the former Mrs. Turner is unbalanced and a lousy actress to boot. Barbarella anyone?

Hoski,

If the Middle Eastern powers are not his "bro's", I don't know who is. Bowing to the Saudi king, meddling in the affairs of Egypt, Syria, etc. shows me he is very sympathetic to them while being an apologetic to the rest of our allies and enemies. He is either a traitor or an idiot as evidenced by his attitude toward foreign policy, which shoule be in our best interest. I never said he was a Muslim. I would never classify him as a real Christian either. JMO

As far as boxing Obama into a no-win position. Hey, that's politics. See how the rest felt about being held hostage to Obamacare? Tough teats, big league politics is the name of the game here. He won't find it any easier in his second term (if elected) with Republican and Tea Party gains in the House and Senate after the 2012 election cycle. He'll really be crying then! Time to hitch up his big boy panties about now.

Hoski,

We can agree to disagree. Time will tell who was right.

Hoski,

The US EPA was set up as an agency of the Untied States Government. If it was really intended to be seperate from the power base would each president be able to appoint a new director? I have worked in close association with EPA for 25 years and I can assure you the Gorilla goes into and comes out of the closet depending on the administration. They are not fair and balanced in approach across administrations.

Need a new word for this,,,, DISGUSTAPATING!

RockRat, while I can see and understand your comparison, there's at least one glaring difference, Rushbo, Hannity, et al are talk, while poeple I knew died in Vietnam.
Jane gets no respect from me...even though she was exercising her right as an American citizen...her actions were certainly in bad taste.

WAM, Sarge,
I fully understand why both seem to be looking for an argument but you have none with me on this specific topic.
Nowhere in my post can it be construed that I "take up" with Ms. Fonda.

Heck, I'm wrong all the time, as evidence I submit that at times I envision you as reasonable men...then I read where the Obama's refuse to place Christmas trees in the White House and Obama channels money to his Muslim bros.
Nuff said.

WAM,
I'm glad the issue concerning fonda has been put to rest.
However, concerning the Keystone pipeline being tied to either the environmentalists or somehow "his Muslim bros", I take a little exception to.
The latter, your alleged Muslim connection, I'll just dismiss as a weak attempt at provocation. Either accept the man is a Christian as evidenced by his earlier association with the good Rev. Wright, (which we know he disavowed because of Wright's comments) or post proof Obama has tangible ties to the Islamic faith.
The former, (environmentalists) is another weak attempt at rhetoric. As I've posted before, we in this nation have a process whereby decisions concerning the possible harm to our environment are studied. The EPA was created to be largely independent of political pressure...as I'm quite sure you know. I have posted previously my position on the pipeline, I favor it, as long as the majority of citizens affected have agreed to the construction.
Further, I firmly believe the Republican controlled House tied the pipeline to the extension of the payroll tax break as a way to box Obama into a no win position. By not overriding the EPA Republicans get to claim Obama is pandering to the greenies and somehow doesn't want jobs, which is utterly ridiculous. If he had attempted to override the EPA, Republicans could then crucify him as a President who thinks he's a king who can disregard legislative process.
And where you get the proposition that Obama wants this country to become "more European" sounds very much like another repeat of the various conspiracy theories...hogwash.

WAM,
This implication that Obama bows in supplication to foreign dignitaries is getting a little old. I'm quite sure some here would rather see Obama swagger into their presence six gun strapped on his hip, but that's just as ridiculous as the assertion that Obama desires a weak foreign policy. Remember, real power doesn't need flaunting.
As for you implying Obama is channeling money to "muslims", then the same can be said for every past President who was in office while our country purchased foreign oil.
As for meddling in Egypt, Syria, or anywhere else is concerned, what would you prefer, more propping up of dictators who are friendly to the west, more military intervention (and it's costs) or maybe actually walking the talk about Democracy?

ObamaCare...you need to remember that 18 months was spent on this legislation. It was his big goal that he campaigned on. So your (and others') assertion that the country was held hostage to it's passage is ludicrous. At the time, a majority of polls showed most citizens in favor of the package and an overwhelming majority favored it's individual components.
As for projected GOP and Tea Party gains in 2012, we'll just have to wait and see. One thing to remember here, Congressional approval stands at a whopping 14%...and I think the country clearly sees which party is being obstructionist in nature, and which one isn't.
I wouldn't hold my breath expecting big GOP gains.
If a few house seats are returned to Democrats, then maybe we'll see some real "ramming" that the talkers whine about.

I can't seem to post a link Pig, but Pew showed earlier this year where a sizable percentage of the people who don't like the ACA, don't like it because it didn't go far enough. When you add those who want a more generous plan with those who like this one ok, you get a majority. Also each individual portion of the plan polls very well, except the mandate, no one wants to be forced to get insurance, just like no one wants to pay taxes, but the plan has to pay for itself.

Being a Democratic plan it's paid for. We don't borrow to enact legislation like those 2 wars, 2 huge tax breaks and Medicare Part D.

Jere, do you purposely disregard the posts I make dispelling that ridiculous claim concerning Obama's spending...or is it you just don't want to know?

Beekeeper,
I can find nothing to debate in your statement.
Instead of arguing over whether the agency is worthy, I'd suggest finding a way to remove political pressure. To be sure, safeguards would need to be established so the EPA couldn't run roughshod over everything.
However, as I posted just above your post, our Govt agencies do indeed "produce jobs". To my above small list, I'd add construction and maintenance of our road system, water and sewer distribution, funding for construction costs to our airports and shipping terminals...and on and on.

Sarge,
Do a little research into the pipeline issue. It's not as simple as Canada building a pipe from Alberta to Texas.
It's part of a pretty big system already in place, the Keystone portion is an extension. Many annalists have stated that building the pipeline, the existing network would be reduced to half capacity.
Then there's the issue of the contaminants in tar sand oil. It must be processed out before it's useful, thereby increasing it's cost.
I've posted before that I support it, as long as our affected citizens understand it's impact and agree to it.
Simply put...it's not just a cut and dry net plus.

You are so full of crap your eyes must be brown.

Sarge...YOU are acting ignorant...and again. Of course they pay taxes. BUT their salary is paid by the private sector...get it? The private sector is being mismanaged by socialism as the governance. When the private sector shrinks cops, fireman, the public emplyees suffer, and have to be cutback like the teachers, who have voted democrat for decades are finding out. Pension plans going under. If you were capable of understanding some of these public union contracts..California has some beyond belief...double, triple time crap, early retirements, work another public union job for several years, and draw another pension..walk off the job after a 4 hr. shift, it being a full day, and have to bring in a total new crew to get something done, and on and on. The posters on these threads are head shakers as far as knowing what is going on. Hope the debates so far have provided you somewhat of a clue, and the national campaign will clue you in as well....but I won't bet anything on it.