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Remove 8 Zeros and Understand Budget Better

Uploaded on January 31, 2013

If we remove 8 zeros from the federal monetary figures and apply the remaining numbers to a household budget maybe we can understand it better. Here it goes:
Annual family income................$21,700
Money family spent..................$38,200
New Debt on credit card.............$16,500
Outstanding balance on credit card.$165,710
Total budget cuts......................$385

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from PAShooter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

This does give a better perspective.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

No shooter, it doesn't.
I've explained to Sarge more than once why attempting to compare our household budgets to our government's is a fools errand a few times, but he insists on trying anyway.
Ask him where in his family's budget they raise and equip a military...or police force...or teachers...or build roads and bridges...etc. etc. etc.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Hoski I'm not saying that the government budget is like our household budget. I don't dispute all of the things you quote and I know about all of them. I just thought that maybe for simple minds like mine if we remove all of the zeros we could comprehend it better. I know it isn't like our household budget you have made that clear before I was just trying to make the numbers easier to understand since most of us don't work in trillions every day. We can see that we have to do something and that is where you and I seem to have our differences, and we won't discuss them here at this time, that wasn't what this post was about.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Sarge,
Correct me if I'm wrong...but doesn't your thread's wording go something like...and I quote, "If we remove 8 zeros from the federal monetary figures and apply the remaining numbers to a household budget maybe we can understand it better"?

Looks like a comparison to household budget is right there.
Now, I really don't see where we differ all that much about the debt. I too think we need to pay it down. As far as I can recall, we just differ on how the debt materialized and what's driving it today...I say it isn't illegal aliens, or lazy Americans who choose to receive govt assistence.
I do say that the Republican party has lived in a fiscal fantasy land for the last 2 or 3 decades with their continual promise of low taxes while prosecuting 2 wars and expanding MediCare.
Don't get me wrong, the Democrats aren't entirely blameless either. Do you realize that by making Bush's temporary tax cut permanent it effectively defunds the govt by roughly 4 trillion?

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Maybe my wording wasn't correct but to me I could see it clearer when all of the zeros were removed. I really don't know what our legislators do when we send them to Washington. All I see is that they get a very big ego and don't want to see or hear anyone else's ideas and want everything to be "their" idea and everyone wants credit for themselves for doing anything, or maybe I should say nothing. Something has to give, I think that we have blamed Bush long enough, the last administration is now Obama's, more debt has been run up under him than ever before, we have widespread misuse of government funds in every program we have from top to bottom and it seems like the administrators turn a blind eye. When something big goes wrong the administrator says they don't know anything about it, that is the easy way out. For example "Fast and Furious" and enourmous operation and the head of the Dept. says he knows nothing about it (BULL). People in government need to step up and be responsible for their action or inaction. I'm talking both sides to, it seems like our federal government is completely out of control and noone knows what is going on because like I said when something comes up noone knows it is happening.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Term limits.
Real prosecutions.

I know from your many posts concerning the rampant fraud and abuse of our programs that it particularly bothers you...but, perhaps to put it in proper perspective, it would help to know that all the waste, fraud, and abuse is just a drop in the overall bucket...it's chipping away around the edges and will do next to nothing in the big picture.
Personally, we need a real reformer in the Teddy Roosevelt mold.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

It just seems like everyone once they go to Washington regardless of their actions are bulletproof and we just keep letting them get away with it. I know you don't want to hear it but if someone is giving me everything for nothing I sure as heck aren't going to vote against them.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Sarge
We have a 2 party system, which is a big problem. How can all of America be represented by two trains of thought. The bigger problem is that Mega corporations and the super rich have obscene influence over the course of those that govern. The cause that we should all be behind is getting money out of politics. I do not think that people realize that we slide closer and closer to plutocracy each and every day and really I think we live in it today. The extreem concentration of wealth is very unhealthy for citizens and politicians. And I fully agree with Hoski that we need term limits for the senate, house, and Pres, perhaps the court as well.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I think that our politicans today are the big money's whor#s. Threy will stoop as low as they need to to do what the big money wants them to and they have to because they sold their soul to the big money during the campaign to get elected. Term limits may cure some of this.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Amen Sarge and 1ojolsen,
It is said today that for every hour our representation spends on actual legislation they spend three soliciting campaign funds.
Term limits and the obscene amounts of money must go. And complete disclosure of campaign donations.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I just received a letter from Senator Manchin regarding a letter I had written him on gun control telling him I would not vote for and would instruct my family members not to vote for anyone who votes for the gun ban. He wrote me a two page letter and said nothing. He, Senator McCain(R-AZ) and Susan Collins (R-ME) support a National Commission on Mass Violence that covers all aspects of the killings and he said they were disappointed that the President did not include their Commission among his recommendations. And by the way Sen. Manchin is related to my wife but I don't cut him any slack and he knows it. He tried to say that his remarks awhile back didn't mean he was in favor of any type gun ban, typical politican's BS.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Sarge, sounds like you got a non-answer or a definite no commitment(?)
If that is indeed the case I hope you write him back pointing it out.
I've done so on more that one occasion.
It may seem like you're trying to pin down jello, but sooner or later they must vote one way or another...and I ALWAYS tell em I do too.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

The President was on the news today talking about the sequester which he was the author of. Now today he was preaching doom and gloom if the sequeter takes place March 1. He needs to decide which way it needs to be, the sequester he authored or what he said today. It can't be both ways.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sarge, Sarge, Sarge,
I see you're still practicing revisionist history.

Presidents don't make laws, they just sign them.
The sequester was a mutually agreed to deadline with consequences so dire it was never meant to happen. Congress imposed this beast upon itself as a incentive to do the job they were elected to do in the first place.
Congress has been aware of the impending deadline for a year or so...and what have they busied themselves with? Well, they dedicated a bunch of post offices, they scheduled meaningless votes to repeal the ACA about 34 times...and where is our House of Representatives today...the one with a 15% approval rating?
On recess.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

If the law was bad why did the President sign it?

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sarge,
The idea of having these deep budget cuts called “sequestration” goes back to the summer of 2011 and the debt-ceiling negotiations. You’ll recall readily enough that it was first time in history that an opposition party had attempted to attach any conditions to increasing the debt limit. You’ll also recall that the Republicans made this intention quite clear from the beginning of 2011.
I'll readily admit it was a bad idea...and said so way back then. The GOP was throwing a temper tantrum over the debt ceiling and Obama made the mistake of appeasement when he should've allowed the GOP to continue banging their heads against the wall until they rendered themselves unconscious and made a childish spectacle of themselves.
But again, and this is important, the GOP immediately voted for this self inflicted wound and counted it as a victory.
Further, it is clearly meant to be so horrible, so drastic that Congress as a whole has an incentive to do their jobs.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Homaski

Ignore what your eyes and common sense tell you, Obama knows best!

Were Obabble the world leader he "professes" to be and was/is unable to circumvent the problem, then he is a very poor leader at best.

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from allegnmtn wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

And, lets look at the reality of sequestration- there won't be any budget cuts. That's the dirty little secret about the whole drama. The whole fight isn't about automatic budget cuts. It's about how much the increase in government spending will be curtailed. Even if the "cuts" happen, government spending will continue to rise. Defense spending will go up. Spending on social programs will go up. The national debt will go up.

The world won't end. It's all politics and news hype.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

allegnmtn,
there won't be any budget cuts?
Explain please.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I wonder how you get a job with the Whitehouse Actor's Group. This week they had to look and act like first responders for the President's supporting cast. I wonder what they will have to be next week. They are a goodlooking group and dress up nice.

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from jhjimbo wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sequestration is a reduction in the rate of increase of expenditures.

Fed Reserve just 'hinted' today it may slow or stop buying treasury bonds (i.e. printing funny money) called quantitative easing. If that happens, the party is over, turn out the lights.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sarge,
You're funny!
You've finally uncovered the big conspiracy. We have designated times where we show up for his speeches, the White House itinerary folks provide the costumes. Even the Medal presentations are fake!
PS, do you write these thoughts to your Congressman?
It's no wonder the country can't make any headway when we have thoughts such as yours to deal with.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sarge,
You're funny!
You've finally uncovered the big conspiracy. We have designated times where we show up for his speeches, the White House itinerary folks provide the costumes. Even the Medal presentations are fake!
PS, do you write these thoughts to your Congressman?
It's no wonder the country can't make any headway when we have thoughts such as yours to deal with.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

sorry for the double tap, screen said spam filter caught me.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

The screen is probably right I think alot of the things you write are spam.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Good one Sarge!
In my defense at least they're all original and not a re-posting of some crazy email some yahoo sent you.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

That's a good one Sarge!
...and in YOUR defense, Homaski HAS no defense! LOL!
Everybody here sees his "SPAM" daily!
Actually, F&S should be alarmed their "spam" filter works no better than it does!

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

For every one job that Obama created last year 75 more people went on food stamps. Not a very good record. Another thing there is a big difference between truely needing welfare and being a habitual societal leech.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Our highly intelligent Maxine Waters (D) Calif. said today that the sequestion will cost 170 million jobs. According to administration figures there are only 134 million jobs in the US. What's she smoking or is she like that all of the time ?

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Sarge,
"For every one job that Obama created last year 75 more people went on food stamps".

Have any factual basis for that post...or just more Hannity/O'Riley/Limpbough fantasies?

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from PAShooter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

This does give a better perspective.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

No shooter, it doesn't.
I've explained to Sarge more than once why attempting to compare our household budgets to our government's is a fools errand a few times, but he insists on trying anyway.
Ask him where in his family's budget they raise and equip a military...or police force...or teachers...or build roads and bridges...etc. etc. etc.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Hoski I'm not saying that the government budget is like our household budget. I don't dispute all of the things you quote and I know about all of them. I just thought that maybe for simple minds like mine if we remove all of the zeros we could comprehend it better. I know it isn't like our household budget you have made that clear before I was just trying to make the numbers easier to understand since most of us don't work in trillions every day. We can see that we have to do something and that is where you and I seem to have our differences, and we won't discuss them here at this time, that wasn't what this post was about.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Sarge,
Correct me if I'm wrong...but doesn't your thread's wording go something like...and I quote, "If we remove 8 zeros from the federal monetary figures and apply the remaining numbers to a household budget maybe we can understand it better"?

Looks like a comparison to household budget is right there.
Now, I really don't see where we differ all that much about the debt. I too think we need to pay it down. As far as I can recall, we just differ on how the debt materialized and what's driving it today...I say it isn't illegal aliens, or lazy Americans who choose to receive govt assistence.
I do say that the Republican party has lived in a fiscal fantasy land for the last 2 or 3 decades with their continual promise of low taxes while prosecuting 2 wars and expanding MediCare.
Don't get me wrong, the Democrats aren't entirely blameless either. Do you realize that by making Bush's temporary tax cut permanent it effectively defunds the govt by roughly 4 trillion?

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Maybe my wording wasn't correct but to me I could see it clearer when all of the zeros were removed. I really don't know what our legislators do when we send them to Washington. All I see is that they get a very big ego and don't want to see or hear anyone else's ideas and want everything to be "their" idea and everyone wants credit for themselves for doing anything, or maybe I should say nothing. Something has to give, I think that we have blamed Bush long enough, the last administration is now Obama's, more debt has been run up under him than ever before, we have widespread misuse of government funds in every program we have from top to bottom and it seems like the administrators turn a blind eye. When something big goes wrong the administrator says they don't know anything about it, that is the easy way out. For example "Fast and Furious" and enourmous operation and the head of the Dept. says he knows nothing about it (BULL). People in government need to step up and be responsible for their action or inaction. I'm talking both sides to, it seems like our federal government is completely out of control and noone knows what is going on because like I said when something comes up noone knows it is happening.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Term limits.
Real prosecutions.

I know from your many posts concerning the rampant fraud and abuse of our programs that it particularly bothers you...but, perhaps to put it in proper perspective, it would help to know that all the waste, fraud, and abuse is just a drop in the overall bucket...it's chipping away around the edges and will do next to nothing in the big picture.
Personally, we need a real reformer in the Teddy Roosevelt mold.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

It just seems like everyone once they go to Washington regardless of their actions are bulletproof and we just keep letting them get away with it. I know you don't want to hear it but if someone is giving me everything for nothing I sure as heck aren't going to vote against them.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Sarge
We have a 2 party system, which is a big problem. How can all of America be represented by two trains of thought. The bigger problem is that Mega corporations and the super rich have obscene influence over the course of those that govern. The cause that we should all be behind is getting money out of politics. I do not think that people realize that we slide closer and closer to plutocracy each and every day and really I think we live in it today. The extreem concentration of wealth is very unhealthy for citizens and politicians. And I fully agree with Hoski that we need term limits for the senate, house, and Pres, perhaps the court as well.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I think that our politicans today are the big money's whor#s. Threy will stoop as low as they need to to do what the big money wants them to and they have to because they sold their soul to the big money during the campaign to get elected. Term limits may cure some of this.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Hoski wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Amen Sarge and 1ojolsen,
It is said today that for every hour our representation spends on actual legislation they spend three soliciting campaign funds.
Term limits and the obscene amounts of money must go. And complete disclosure of campaign donations.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I just received a letter from Senator Manchin regarding a letter I had written him on gun control telling him I would not vote for and would instruct my family members not to vote for anyone who votes for the gun ban. He wrote me a two page letter and said nothing. He, Senator McCain(R-AZ) and Susan Collins (R-ME) support a National Commission on Mass Violence that covers all aspects of the killings and he said they were disappointed that the President did not include their Commission among his recommendations. And by the way Sen. Manchin is related to my wife but I don't cut him any slack and he knows it. He tried to say that his remarks awhile back didn't mean he was in favor of any type gun ban, typical politican's BS.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Sarge, sounds like you got a non-answer or a definite no commitment(?)
If that is indeed the case I hope you write him back pointing it out.
I've done so on more that one occasion.
It may seem like you're trying to pin down jello, but sooner or later they must vote one way or another...and I ALWAYS tell em I do too.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

The President was on the news today talking about the sequester which he was the author of. Now today he was preaching doom and gloom if the sequeter takes place March 1. He needs to decide which way it needs to be, the sequester he authored or what he said today. It can't be both ways.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sarge, Sarge, Sarge,
I see you're still practicing revisionist history.

Presidents don't make laws, they just sign them.
The sequester was a mutually agreed to deadline with consequences so dire it was never meant to happen. Congress imposed this beast upon itself as a incentive to do the job they were elected to do in the first place.
Congress has been aware of the impending deadline for a year or so...and what have they busied themselves with? Well, they dedicated a bunch of post offices, they scheduled meaningless votes to repeal the ACA about 34 times...and where is our House of Representatives today...the one with a 15% approval rating?
On recess.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

If the law was bad why did the President sign it?

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sarge,
The idea of having these deep budget cuts called “sequestration” goes back to the summer of 2011 and the debt-ceiling negotiations. You’ll recall readily enough that it was first time in history that an opposition party had attempted to attach any conditions to increasing the debt limit. You’ll also recall that the Republicans made this intention quite clear from the beginning of 2011.
I'll readily admit it was a bad idea...and said so way back then. The GOP was throwing a temper tantrum over the debt ceiling and Obama made the mistake of appeasement when he should've allowed the GOP to continue banging their heads against the wall until they rendered themselves unconscious and made a childish spectacle of themselves.
But again, and this is important, the GOP immediately voted for this self inflicted wound and counted it as a victory.
Further, it is clearly meant to be so horrible, so drastic that Congress as a whole has an incentive to do their jobs.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Homaski

Ignore what your eyes and common sense tell you, Obama knows best!

Were Obabble the world leader he "professes" to be and was/is unable to circumvent the problem, then he is a very poor leader at best.

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from allegnmtn wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

And, lets look at the reality of sequestration- there won't be any budget cuts. That's the dirty little secret about the whole drama. The whole fight isn't about automatic budget cuts. It's about how much the increase in government spending will be curtailed. Even if the "cuts" happen, government spending will continue to rise. Defense spending will go up. Spending on social programs will go up. The national debt will go up.

The world won't end. It's all politics and news hype.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

allegnmtn,
there won't be any budget cuts?
Explain please.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I wonder how you get a job with the Whitehouse Actor's Group. This week they had to look and act like first responders for the President's supporting cast. I wonder what they will have to be next week. They are a goodlooking group and dress up nice.

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from jhjimbo wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sequestration is a reduction in the rate of increase of expenditures.

Fed Reserve just 'hinted' today it may slow or stop buying treasury bonds (i.e. printing funny money) called quantitative easing. If that happens, the party is over, turn out the lights.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sarge,
You're funny!
You've finally uncovered the big conspiracy. We have designated times where we show up for his speeches, the White House itinerary folks provide the costumes. Even the Medal presentations are fake!
PS, do you write these thoughts to your Congressman?
It's no wonder the country can't make any headway when we have thoughts such as yours to deal with.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sarge,
You're funny!
You've finally uncovered the big conspiracy. We have designated times where we show up for his speeches, the White House itinerary folks provide the costumes. Even the Medal presentations are fake!
PS, do you write these thoughts to your Congressman?
It's no wonder the country can't make any headway when we have thoughts such as yours to deal with.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

sorry for the double tap, screen said spam filter caught me.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

The screen is probably right I think alot of the things you write are spam.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Good one Sarge!
In my defense at least they're all original and not a re-posting of some crazy email some yahoo sent you.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

That's a good one Sarge!
...and in YOUR defense, Homaski HAS no defense! LOL!
Everybody here sees his "SPAM" daily!
Actually, F&S should be alarmed their "spam" filter works no better than it does!

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

For every one job that Obama created last year 75 more people went on food stamps. Not a very good record. Another thing there is a big difference between truely needing welfare and being a habitual societal leech.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Our highly intelligent Maxine Waters (D) Calif. said today that the sequestion will cost 170 million jobs. According to administration figures there are only 134 million jobs in the US. What's she smoking or is she like that all of the time ?

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Sarge,
"For every one job that Obama created last year 75 more people went on food stamps".

Have any factual basis for that post...or just more Hannity/O'Riley/Limpbough fantasies?

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