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Uploaded on November 10, 2011Got a huge high by understanding a Fall mayfly that came off on my SF of the Snake during the mid-afternoon hours, a Pale Evening Dun I will call it. It was a sizable mayfly, a #12-14 long, two tailed adult pale yellow in color, and a beautiful fly to see rising off the water. First trip down we caught lots of fish on comparadun dry flies tied with the lt. yellow body color. Fish were rising to the adults on the surface. I had identified the mayfly, as a "clinger" type quite different from the Pale Morning Duns that are nymph "crawlers" that transform into adults at the surface. These came off the bottom transformed into adults, and rose to the surface as adults, their wings fully emerged. Between the first time down the river, and the next time, I tied some soft hackles that are swung wet fly style below the surface, and tied them with the crumpled wings, and then the soft hackle over the wings as moving, emerging legs, and the body color of the adult may. Next trip we saw a few adults, but no rising fish to the adult. We swung these soft hackles, and it was the big tug, one after another. Great day, and lots of big fish, all because I understood the life cycle of that bug. Makes fly angling fun, and special, and has encouraged me to get better at identifying the insects the trout are feeding on, and what stage they are feeding on.
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Are they of the Epeorus genus? The Epeorus in the East, most notably the famed Quill Gordon, emerge the same way. There is another in the genus, commonly lumped in with sulphers because of their yellowish coloring, that emerge in late May, early June. They don't have a standard colloquial name, but are usually called "pink ladies" because of the female's pink/orange cast to the body, due to the un-extruded eggs. The imitation you describe is exactly the way I tie 'em. IMO, every serious fly angler should have at least one good entomolgy book on their shelf; fortunatly, there are lots available. Alas, the bugs are almost done for the year here. Been fishing streamers mostly.
Our Epeorus Albertae, unless they have reclassified the bug since my book was written, is also called a Pink Lady, and also a pink Albert here on my SF. It is a balancing act as to how far you want to carry IDing the bugs. It is fun for me to study them, and I want it to apply, for the most part, directly to fly fishing. Some take it all the way to a luv of understanding, and identifying the bugs beyond its application to fly fishing, but that is an intellectual fun exercise in itself. Our sport is based on the aquatic insects, and terrestrials that end up in the water, yet many fly anglers don't give them much consideration.
Backcast, sayfu, have either of you read the book "bugwater?" I read an article about it and I'm thinking about buying it. It will be my first venture into buying a book about actual flies and their cycles. Most of my books are just fly patterns. I focus mostly on bass. I only fish for trout occasionally. I couldn't tell you what type of fly is hatching on my homewaters. I just go by what they tell me at the local fly shop. It's always blue winged olives, #18-22, caddis, #14-16, Prince and Pheasant tail nymphs, or streamers. When I tie the flies they suggest and take them to the river they usually match the flies on the water. I figure it's time for me to make more of an effort to try to learn more.
Sayfu, a lot of the eastern/western bugs are analogous, even if they aren't the same genus. Epeorus Albertae and the eastern Epeorus Vitrius(sp.) are a good example, as are the "October Caddises". The west has Dicosmoecus, while the east has Pynchnopsyche. Both are large, orange-ish caddis that hatch in the fall. I like to be able to ID bugs to the genus level, most of the behavior fly fishers need to know can be gleaned from knowing the genus. Flytie, I think I've seen "Bugwater" at the bookstore. If I'm thinking of the right book, it's mostly pictures. If you want to learn some bug basics, there are several entomological books written specifically for fly fishers, based on the region you live in. Where ya at? I might be able to suggest some titles.
backcast,
I've kinda mixed emotions about carrying the bug thing too far. For one, they reclassify the darn bugs on me after I have spent time learning those GAWD AWFULLY hard to learn names! Then the variation between the East and the WEST. We have a major hatch early on in the Summer...Green Drakes that are crawler nymphs, and the East calls one of their burrower nymphs a Green Drake. And why does a caddis fly that comes off in Michigan...why is it called a Michigan May!! Maybe because it comes off in May. But I do want to ID them for the bugs I see come off out here in SE Idaho. Want to know their cycle, what kind of water they come off in, and what cycles the fish feed on.
Backcast, Central California. Origin of the Prince Nymph. Sayfu said it was named after him because they say he is a Prince of a guy.
By the way, I mentioned that streamers work here, more specifically, they are Black Ghosts #10. They're not really big but they work well. I use other streamers, but those are the most consistent. Has nothing to do with Bugwater but I thought I'd mention it in case anyone is looking to see what works around here.
Flytie,
No, Prince named after me..I'm your Black Ghost around here most of the time. Maybe I need to design a Black Sheep streamer. On the streamer note..knowing your baitfish in your waters helps with the streamer choice. The type, and size, as maybe a shiny minnow, or the choice of a dull, big headed streamer representing a sculpin. And then how you fish them helps with the knowledge. Sculpin stay deep, and make quick darts. Injured bait fish that often flash their injury, generally move downstream, not up, so a downstream mend pulled along, and away from the bank moving the streamer down can be more effective.
Sayfu, as a kid we watched sculpin and crawdads in the river being eaten by rainbow trout. That was way back when. The water was a few feet deep. The sculpin were about the same color as the algae. I've fished with streamers off the bottom about the same color and caught a few trout. I've done better with Black Ghosts. Go figure. One of the ways I fish streamers is to stand upstream of where I think there may be a trout. I cast downstream a few feet from my target and let my streamer drift to the target. I pull a few inches of line in with my line hand and release it so the current takes it back to my target. I repeat this for a while till I get a bite or get tired of it and pick another spot. By the way, I need to create a fly called the Half Asian. It will catch a fish on every other cast! :-)
Sayfu, I hear ya on the taxonomy changes. That'll continue too as they use the advances in DNA testing to sort through the different species. Heck, there's even arguments to reclassify some species back to their OLD genus and/or families. Puts me in mind of the story of the guys sitting around the fly shop on a famous spring creek, talking bugs in Latin and lamenting that no one was able to catch any fish that day, when in walks a guy talking about the fish he'd caught and wanting to know if the shop had any more of these flies. When they ask him what he got 'em on, he holds out his hand to show them the flies and says, "I caught 'em on these little gray bastards." Flytie, Rick Hafele, who's an entomologist as well as an angler, has a book called "Western Mayfly Hatches" that he wrote in conjunction with Dave Hughes, another well known fly fishing author, that might be of use to you. You can also check out the website www.troutnut.com ,though it has mostly midwestern and eastern bugs, the photos and videos are awesome. And, if you really want to see some "bug nuts" at work, take a look at the discussions on that site. They go into more detail than you'll probably ever care to know, but still kinda interesting to see.
Good story backcast, and a good moral, many times anyway, and I read it told by Mike Lawson that lives not far from me. Maybe read it in his book "SpringCreeks"
BTW, the Black Ghost was the first fly I learned to tie when I wuz a youngster.
Sayfu, do you ever see Mike L. or Rene Harrop on the water?
I see Mike, or I saw Mike a year ago guiding on the SF, but not Rene' Harrop fishes the Ranch, and I don't get up to the Ranch much anymore, but I could see him, I guess below Ashton Dam on the Henry's Fork. I make that float down to what they call Chester Backwater, and where I fished the Grey Drakes. And a small section below their very near Harrop's home in St. Anthony called the Fun Farm. There is a bridge there, and a ramp. You can put in, and row up in slower water, and fish around and Island. That is where I fished Grey Drake Spinners as well. But I have never seen Harrop on the water..talked to him and his daughter, who ties for him, and works for his company as well, at the shows. His wife is a very good angler as well. Mike Lawson had a heart attack this Summer, but is now doing fine.I stopped at his house several years ago. He built a new, big home with some great shop buildings...several of them on his property near the Fun Farm, and along the river. I pulled my boat up his way to fish, and forgot my oars! I stopped to borrow a set of oars from him, but he wasn't home.
Geez!..Made a bunch of grammatical errors, but you can decipher through it I hope!
No oars is a pisser, as they say. I've gone out, only to discover that I've forgot my license, or my waders. I've done some pretty damn cold wet wading as a result, but never had the guts to fish without a license.
So, you were up a creek without a paddle?
Backcast, I was at the flyfishing show in Pleasanton this February. Ken Hanley and Dave Hughes were both there so I took my books to have them signed. I met Ken Hanley, showed him 2 of his books I'd purchased after I first started tying. One was bass and the other was salt water. He went through the books with me and pointed out his friends, asked where I fish, what flies I use, made a lot of conversation. He was a great guy. He signed both of the books. Then I met Dave Hughes. I asked for his autograph in my copy of American Fly Tying Manual. He signed it and didn't say a word to me so I told him it was the first book of fly patterns I had bought. I said it was an honor to meet him. His response was "oh." That was it. He didn't have a line of people waiting to meet him. He was standing there alone with a pile of his books for sale. He could have been more polite. That said, he knows a lot about fly fishing. Just has no personality. Or, maybe he does but he was having a bad day. I should give him the benefit of the doubt I guess.
Yeah Flytie, it's always a bummer when you meet somebody you admire, only to have them turn out to be less than amiable. Sometimes I get the impression that they are only there to seperate you from your cash. About a month ago, I met a guitar player from one of my favorite bands, and had my picture taken with him. My friend was having a little trouble operating my phone, and player X says "OK, any longer and you're going to have to buy a t-shirt." "Sorry for taking 15 seconds of your time", I thought. What about all the CDs and the price of the show tickets I've bought over the years? As you said, maybe just a bad day.But, other individuals make up for it too. Through fly fishing, I've met a lot of people who are a delight to be around.
backcast, because of my job I can't give any names or specifics but I was making a delivery to an arena. There were about a dozen men moving speakers and equipment. I couldn't tell which ones were in the band and which ones were equipment managers because I had never heard of the band. I was ignoring them, doing my job when some guy walked up to me and arrogantly said "I guess you probably want my autograph, don't you?" I asked "why would I want that?" He angrily responded "don't you know who I am?" to which I simply said "nope" and walked away. He was cocky so whoever he was to his fans, he was a jerk in my eyes. As soon as I walked out I called my teenage daughter and asked if she had heard of the band. She got excited and asked if I could get her any autographs. I told her the story and she told me who it was I had been talking to. I'm still not impressed with the jerk. You are right, I've met some really nice fly fishermen.
I just looked at your trout nut link. That's a great sight. Thank you. It's mostly over my head but I'm looking forward to learning.
Hard to get into your head flytie unless you can apply it on the water. You most often fish for species that you do not need to understand how the bug cycle plays a part....most of the time. I was on a reservoir several years ago, fishing for perch with worms stocking up on the fish that I eat, and saw small mouth bass rising to small mayflies it appeared. I could see the cellophane wings I thought. Bass were rising everywhere around me. I scooped a bug up, and showed it to my fishing partner, my wife...a winged ant. They had blown off the hillside. Sure would have liked to had my flyrod, and properly set up. But you will have no problem getting it into your head...just remembered, your 1/2 Japanese. That's enough.
Sayfu, "Hard to get into your head flytie unless you can apply it on the water." I just realized that. I guess it will be easier to pick up on things as I apply them to my fishing. Good story about winged ants on the reservoir. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks.
And flytie..I just tied up a bunch of small, good looking ant patterns. I just read again, Mike Lawson's fine book, "Spring Creeks", and tied up some emerger types he says are essential to have if you want to match what the trout are taking when there is a hatch, and surface activity. He also says ants and beatles are essential, and goes to them when he can't match what they are taking...says they often will take an ant, or a beattle.
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Yeah Flytie, it's always a bummer when you meet somebody you admire, only to have them turn out to be less than amiable. Sometimes I get the impression that they are only there to seperate you from your cash. About a month ago, I met a guitar player from one of my favorite bands, and had my picture taken with him. My friend was having a little trouble operating my phone, and player X says "OK, any longer and you're going to have to buy a t-shirt." "Sorry for taking 15 seconds of your time", I thought. What about all the CDs and the price of the show tickets I've bought over the years? As you said, maybe just a bad day.But, other individuals make up for it too. Through fly fishing, I've met a lot of people who are a delight to be around.
Are they of the Epeorus genus? The Epeorus in the East, most notably the famed Quill Gordon, emerge the same way. There is another in the genus, commonly lumped in with sulphers because of their yellowish coloring, that emerge in late May, early June. They don't have a standard colloquial name, but are usually called "pink ladies" because of the female's pink/orange cast to the body, due to the un-extruded eggs. The imitation you describe is exactly the way I tie 'em. IMO, every serious fly angler should have at least one good entomolgy book on their shelf; fortunatly, there are lots available. Alas, the bugs are almost done for the year here. Been fishing streamers mostly.
Our Epeorus Albertae, unless they have reclassified the bug since my book was written, is also called a Pink Lady, and also a pink Albert here on my SF. It is a balancing act as to how far you want to carry IDing the bugs. It is fun for me to study them, and I want it to apply, for the most part, directly to fly fishing. Some take it all the way to a luv of understanding, and identifying the bugs beyond its application to fly fishing, but that is an intellectual fun exercise in itself. Our sport is based on the aquatic insects, and terrestrials that end up in the water, yet many fly anglers don't give them much consideration.
Backcast, sayfu, have either of you read the book "bugwater?" I read an article about it and I'm thinking about buying it. It will be my first venture into buying a book about actual flies and their cycles. Most of my books are just fly patterns. I focus mostly on bass. I only fish for trout occasionally. I couldn't tell you what type of fly is hatching on my homewaters. I just go by what they tell me at the local fly shop. It's always blue winged olives, #18-22, caddis, #14-16, Prince and Pheasant tail nymphs, or streamers. When I tie the flies they suggest and take them to the river they usually match the flies on the water. I figure it's time for me to make more of an effort to try to learn more.
Sayfu, a lot of the eastern/western bugs are analogous, even if they aren't the same genus. Epeorus Albertae and the eastern Epeorus Vitrius(sp.) are a good example, as are the "October Caddises". The west has Dicosmoecus, while the east has Pynchnopsyche. Both are large, orange-ish caddis that hatch in the fall. I like to be able to ID bugs to the genus level, most of the behavior fly fishers need to know can be gleaned from knowing the genus. Flytie, I think I've seen "Bugwater" at the bookstore. If I'm thinking of the right book, it's mostly pictures. If you want to learn some bug basics, there are several entomological books written specifically for fly fishers, based on the region you live in. Where ya at? I might be able to suggest some titles.
backcast,
I've kinda mixed emotions about carrying the bug thing too far. For one, they reclassify the darn bugs on me after I have spent time learning those GAWD AWFULLY hard to learn names! Then the variation between the East and the WEST. We have a major hatch early on in the Summer...Green Drakes that are crawler nymphs, and the East calls one of their burrower nymphs a Green Drake. And why does a caddis fly that comes off in Michigan...why is it called a Michigan May!! Maybe because it comes off in May. But I do want to ID them for the bugs I see come off out here in SE Idaho. Want to know their cycle, what kind of water they come off in, and what cycles the fish feed on.
Backcast, Central California. Origin of the Prince Nymph. Sayfu said it was named after him because they say he is a Prince of a guy.
By the way, I mentioned that streamers work here, more specifically, they are Black Ghosts #10. They're not really big but they work well. I use other streamers, but those are the most consistent. Has nothing to do with Bugwater but I thought I'd mention it in case anyone is looking to see what works around here.
Flytie,
No, Prince named after me..I'm your Black Ghost around here most of the time. Maybe I need to design a Black Sheep streamer. On the streamer note..knowing your baitfish in your waters helps with the streamer choice. The type, and size, as maybe a shiny minnow, or the choice of a dull, big headed streamer representing a sculpin. And then how you fish them helps with the knowledge. Sculpin stay deep, and make quick darts. Injured bait fish that often flash their injury, generally move downstream, not up, so a downstream mend pulled along, and away from the bank moving the streamer down can be more effective.
Sayfu, as a kid we watched sculpin and crawdads in the river being eaten by rainbow trout. That was way back when. The water was a few feet deep. The sculpin were about the same color as the algae. I've fished with streamers off the bottom about the same color and caught a few trout. I've done better with Black Ghosts. Go figure. One of the ways I fish streamers is to stand upstream of where I think there may be a trout. I cast downstream a few feet from my target and let my streamer drift to the target. I pull a few inches of line in with my line hand and release it so the current takes it back to my target. I repeat this for a while till I get a bite or get tired of it and pick another spot. By the way, I need to create a fly called the Half Asian. It will catch a fish on every other cast! :-)
Sayfu, I hear ya on the taxonomy changes. That'll continue too as they use the advances in DNA testing to sort through the different species. Heck, there's even arguments to reclassify some species back to their OLD genus and/or families. Puts me in mind of the story of the guys sitting around the fly shop on a famous spring creek, talking bugs in Latin and lamenting that no one was able to catch any fish that day, when in walks a guy talking about the fish he'd caught and wanting to know if the shop had any more of these flies. When they ask him what he got 'em on, he holds out his hand to show them the flies and says, "I caught 'em on these little gray bastards." Flytie, Rick Hafele, who's an entomologist as well as an angler, has a book called "Western Mayfly Hatches" that he wrote in conjunction with Dave Hughes, another well known fly fishing author, that might be of use to you. You can also check out the website www.troutnut.com ,though it has mostly midwestern and eastern bugs, the photos and videos are awesome. And, if you really want to see some "bug nuts" at work, take a look at the discussions on that site. They go into more detail than you'll probably ever care to know, but still kinda interesting to see.
Good story backcast, and a good moral, many times anyway, and I read it told by Mike Lawson that lives not far from me. Maybe read it in his book "SpringCreeks"
BTW, the Black Ghost was the first fly I learned to tie when I wuz a youngster.
Sayfu, do you ever see Mike L. or Rene Harrop on the water?
I see Mike, or I saw Mike a year ago guiding on the SF, but not Rene' Harrop fishes the Ranch, and I don't get up to the Ranch much anymore, but I could see him, I guess below Ashton Dam on the Henry's Fork. I make that float down to what they call Chester Backwater, and where I fished the Grey Drakes. And a small section below their very near Harrop's home in St. Anthony called the Fun Farm. There is a bridge there, and a ramp. You can put in, and row up in slower water, and fish around and Island. That is where I fished Grey Drake Spinners as well. But I have never seen Harrop on the water..talked to him and his daughter, who ties for him, and works for his company as well, at the shows. His wife is a very good angler as well. Mike Lawson had a heart attack this Summer, but is now doing fine.I stopped at his house several years ago. He built a new, big home with some great shop buildings...several of them on his property near the Fun Farm, and along the river. I pulled my boat up his way to fish, and forgot my oars! I stopped to borrow a set of oars from him, but he wasn't home.
Geez!..Made a bunch of grammatical errors, but you can decipher through it I hope!
No oars is a pisser, as they say. I've gone out, only to discover that I've forgot my license, or my waders. I've done some pretty damn cold wet wading as a result, but never had the guts to fish without a license.
So, you were up a creek without a paddle?
Backcast, I was at the flyfishing show in Pleasanton this February. Ken Hanley and Dave Hughes were both there so I took my books to have them signed. I met Ken Hanley, showed him 2 of his books I'd purchased after I first started tying. One was bass and the other was salt water. He went through the books with me and pointed out his friends, asked where I fish, what flies I use, made a lot of conversation. He was a great guy. He signed both of the books. Then I met Dave Hughes. I asked for his autograph in my copy of American Fly Tying Manual. He signed it and didn't say a word to me so I told him it was the first book of fly patterns I had bought. I said it was an honor to meet him. His response was "oh." That was it. He didn't have a line of people waiting to meet him. He was standing there alone with a pile of his books for sale. He could have been more polite. That said, he knows a lot about fly fishing. Just has no personality. Or, maybe he does but he was having a bad day. I should give him the benefit of the doubt I guess.
backcast, because of my job I can't give any names or specifics but I was making a delivery to an arena. There were about a dozen men moving speakers and equipment. I couldn't tell which ones were in the band and which ones were equipment managers because I had never heard of the band. I was ignoring them, doing my job when some guy walked up to me and arrogantly said "I guess you probably want my autograph, don't you?" I asked "why would I want that?" He angrily responded "don't you know who I am?" to which I simply said "nope" and walked away. He was cocky so whoever he was to his fans, he was a jerk in my eyes. As soon as I walked out I called my teenage daughter and asked if she had heard of the band. She got excited and asked if I could get her any autographs. I told her the story and she told me who it was I had been talking to. I'm still not impressed with the jerk. You are right, I've met some really nice fly fishermen.
I just looked at your trout nut link. That's a great sight. Thank you. It's mostly over my head but I'm looking forward to learning.
Hard to get into your head flytie unless you can apply it on the water. You most often fish for species that you do not need to understand how the bug cycle plays a part....most of the time. I was on a reservoir several years ago, fishing for perch with worms stocking up on the fish that I eat, and saw small mouth bass rising to small mayflies it appeared. I could see the cellophane wings I thought. Bass were rising everywhere around me. I scooped a bug up, and showed it to my fishing partner, my wife...a winged ant. They had blown off the hillside. Sure would have liked to had my flyrod, and properly set up. But you will have no problem getting it into your head...just remembered, your 1/2 Japanese. That's enough.
Sayfu, "Hard to get into your head flytie unless you can apply it on the water." I just realized that. I guess it will be easier to pick up on things as I apply them to my fishing. Good story about winged ants on the reservoir. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks.
And flytie..I just tied up a bunch of small, good looking ant patterns. I just read again, Mike Lawson's fine book, "Spring Creeks", and tied up some emerger types he says are essential to have if you want to match what the trout are taking when there is a hatch, and surface activity. He also says ants and beatles are essential, and goes to them when he can't match what they are taking...says they often will take an ant, or a beattle.
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