Fishing
If you have ever visited the Bowden WV area, you know how special it is. A great fish hatchery, spectacular stream that supports all sorts of recreation, including weekly trout stockings in the spring bring thousands of visitors to the campgrounds and resorts in the area.
Please visit the website www.saverandolphcounty.org to find out more.
Contact WV DEP with your opinion.
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All outdoorsman need to get involved with causes like this. Google pebble mine, read the article, then email Alaskan Gov. Palin to voice your concerns. She is in favor of this mine which could destroy some of the most pristine waterways left in the world.
Thank you for the heads up fisherlady. I have frequented that area for years and find it very beautiful. I will hopefully be down there this month.
The issue is mute. The permit has been issued. Regarding the effluent aluminum, it is naturally occuring in clay soils in this area. Do we wish to ask for limits above naturally ocurring background media? The chemical used to treat aluminum could prove a greater impact on the Shavers Fork than the effluent limits being discussed.
A good understading of the hydrologic process is needed to avoid reaction to a visual impact vs. an environmental one. Background concentrations are imparitive and native soils concentrations can vary from 10,000 ppm to 300,000 ppm. Chemical buffering, the shift in pH of a solution from either acidic or base to neutral is in and of itself utilizing the addition of a an acid or base. These are usually not transported or stored as weak, but rather highly concentrated product.
The picture is far greater that that presented. I would like to know how many campers/camps in Bowden, WV have approved septic service. Wake up America, you should see the discharge into the Shavers when the runs are washed out at the Hatchery.
What Stumpjumper is saying is misleading at best. The metal concentrations in local soils are totally irrelevant to what water runoff from mining would do the concentrations of metals in the streams in the area. Heavy rain events will inevitably create a large and uncontrollable water runoff problem from a quarry and release several metals, not just aluminum, into the local watershed. The same metals will be inevitably be absorbed by the local aquatic wildlife. Also his comment that neutralizing an acidic effluent is benign is also incorrect, since the neutralizing an acidic solution by adding caustic creates salts in the solution, and in turn affect the salinity of the watershed. The effluent from the local hatchery does not contain metal pollutants as it is organic in nature and ultimately enriches the stream by providing a base for the food chain.
The question I pose back to Stumpjumper is when do we draw the line and preserve an enjoyable wild area and forgo the destruction of land for profit? If we don’t keep Shaver’s Fork clean and pristine, then where?
Well done trouttourist! C'mon stump, your example is like apples to oranges. Like saying it's okay to store the nuclear waste in the ground near a watershed because radiation occurs naturally in some geographic areas.
This has to stop now. Water supplies/resources such as lakes, reservoirs, streams, etc, are already stressed, which is going to get worse in the future with increased population and/or climatic temperature increase. We have to protect the water bodies we have now or there won't be anywhere to fish!
If you've never been to Shavers Fork, I encourage you to visit. About a month ago I had the pleasure of floating the river...the water was so crystal clear that every rock on the bottom was evident, trout and small mouth bass swam by in great numbers.
Wildlife was everywhere...saw an eagle come down and take a fish, floated around a bend and ran into a black bear checking us out from the river bank about 20 feet away. That gets your heart pumping...you know you're alive!! This is my sanctuary... where I find and thank God.
And the beauty is that it is easily accessible...indeed, where, if not here on the boundary of the Monongahela National Forest, is sacred?
Well said Trout tourist and Kheltic! Well, it appears that the river is safe for at least a while...one of WV's agencies has sent the quarry folks back to the drawing board. With the EPA threatening to take over WV DEP because of their past decisions, it's about time they started paying attention! see this link http://www.wvgazette.com/News/politics/200906170581 for more info about the EPA's plans.
A very sad youtube video examines the plight of people living just about 20 miles from our (WV) capitol...if this doesn't make your blood boil, you're dead! There are two videos by Jennifer Hall-Massey, who tells of the effects of coal mining pollution in her valley. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Jennifer+Hall+massey&search_...
And some info on what changing the salinity of the water can do to a stream...Dunkard Creek in Morgantown, WV just had a massive fish kill due to a golden alga, which thrives on water with a lot of TDS and a high saline content...and is traveling north. There are several videos on this link. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dunkard+Creek&search_type=&a...
Sorry to get into so many different examples of a lack of respect for clean water, but being a part of this effort to protect the waters of Shavers has really opened up my eyes.
Come up...enjoy our Shavers Fork Valley...great food, great lodging, great times!
Fisherlady
I fished the Shavers Fork since I was a kid, I was born in WVa, we lived in the small town of Montrose, between Elkins and Parsons, and outside of Fairmont (Worthington)This is some of the best trout fishing in the eastern US we are talking about here!( some great deer hunting too)
The coal mining has destroyed enough of the streams in WVa, lets not start finding new ways to kill streams and fish!
Fisherlady, after spending the weekend fishing the Greenbrier and a handful of her tributaries in the Marlington area with some dear friends, I can relate to and support what you're saying here. I would like to post a secondary question to your question then if I may. What about the windmills at Mt. Storm? I wouldn't want to look out my kitchen window and see nothing but a forest of those monsters! WV thrives on coal, yet an earlier post warns of the dangers of mining. Here in our area, hydrofracking is the hot topic as it was proposed and fought by the locals. Then of course there's all of the oil issues in the Gulf. My point is, yes, by all means let's protect our environment. My family and I did not sign a gas lease because we decided we'd rather see woods and fields clear than drilling rigs, but we also need energy, so where do we turn? Please don't misunderstand, I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to be a bit objective and thought provoking. Some day, we're going to have to pick the lesser of the evils. Which will it be?
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What Stumpjumper is saying is misleading at best. The metal concentrations in local soils are totally irrelevant to what water runoff from mining would do the concentrations of metals in the streams in the area. Heavy rain events will inevitably create a large and uncontrollable water runoff problem from a quarry and release several metals, not just aluminum, into the local watershed. The same metals will be inevitably be absorbed by the local aquatic wildlife. Also his comment that neutralizing an acidic effluent is benign is also incorrect, since the neutralizing an acidic solution by adding caustic creates salts in the solution, and in turn affect the salinity of the watershed. The effluent from the local hatchery does not contain metal pollutants as it is organic in nature and ultimately enriches the stream by providing a base for the food chain.
The question I pose back to Stumpjumper is when do we draw the line and preserve an enjoyable wild area and forgo the destruction of land for profit? If we don’t keep Shaver’s Fork clean and pristine, then where?
Well done trouttourist! C'mon stump, your example is like apples to oranges. Like saying it's okay to store the nuclear waste in the ground near a watershed because radiation occurs naturally in some geographic areas.
This has to stop now. Water supplies/resources such as lakes, reservoirs, streams, etc, are already stressed, which is going to get worse in the future with increased population and/or climatic temperature increase. We have to protect the water bodies we have now or there won't be anywhere to fish!
All outdoorsman need to get involved with causes like this. Google pebble mine, read the article, then email Alaskan Gov. Palin to voice your concerns. She is in favor of this mine which could destroy some of the most pristine waterways left in the world.
Thank you for the heads up fisherlady. I have frequented that area for years and find it very beautiful. I will hopefully be down there this month.
The issue is mute. The permit has been issued. Regarding the effluent aluminum, it is naturally occuring in clay soils in this area. Do we wish to ask for limits above naturally ocurring background media? The chemical used to treat aluminum could prove a greater impact on the Shavers Fork than the effluent limits being discussed.
A good understading of the hydrologic process is needed to avoid reaction to a visual impact vs. an environmental one. Background concentrations are imparitive and native soils concentrations can vary from 10,000 ppm to 300,000 ppm. Chemical buffering, the shift in pH of a solution from either acidic or base to neutral is in and of itself utilizing the addition of a an acid or base. These are usually not transported or stored as weak, but rather highly concentrated product.
The picture is far greater that that presented. I would like to know how many campers/camps in Bowden, WV have approved septic service. Wake up America, you should see the discharge into the Shavers when the runs are washed out at the Hatchery.
If you've never been to Shavers Fork, I encourage you to visit. About a month ago I had the pleasure of floating the river...the water was so crystal clear that every rock on the bottom was evident, trout and small mouth bass swam by in great numbers.
Wildlife was everywhere...saw an eagle come down and take a fish, floated around a bend and ran into a black bear checking us out from the river bank about 20 feet away. That gets your heart pumping...you know you're alive!! This is my sanctuary... where I find and thank God.
And the beauty is that it is easily accessible...indeed, where, if not here on the boundary of the Monongahela National Forest, is sacred?
Well said Trout tourist and Kheltic! Well, it appears that the river is safe for at least a while...one of WV's agencies has sent the quarry folks back to the drawing board. With the EPA threatening to take over WV DEP because of their past decisions, it's about time they started paying attention! see this link http://www.wvgazette.com/News/politics/200906170581 for more info about the EPA's plans.
A very sad youtube video examines the plight of people living just about 20 miles from our (WV) capitol...if this doesn't make your blood boil, you're dead! There are two videos by Jennifer Hall-Massey, who tells of the effects of coal mining pollution in her valley. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Jennifer+Hall+massey&search_...
And some info on what changing the salinity of the water can do to a stream...Dunkard Creek in Morgantown, WV just had a massive fish kill due to a golden alga, which thrives on water with a lot of TDS and a high saline content...and is traveling north. There are several videos on this link. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dunkard+Creek&search_type=&a...
Sorry to get into so many different examples of a lack of respect for clean water, but being a part of this effort to protect the waters of Shavers has really opened up my eyes.
Come up...enjoy our Shavers Fork Valley...great food, great lodging, great times!
Fisherlady
I fished the Shavers Fork since I was a kid, I was born in WVa, we lived in the small town of Montrose, between Elkins and Parsons, and outside of Fairmont (Worthington)This is some of the best trout fishing in the eastern US we are talking about here!( some great deer hunting too)
The coal mining has destroyed enough of the streams in WVa, lets not start finding new ways to kill streams and fish!
Fisherlady, after spending the weekend fishing the Greenbrier and a handful of her tributaries in the Marlington area with some dear friends, I can relate to and support what you're saying here. I would like to post a secondary question to your question then if I may. What about the windmills at Mt. Storm? I wouldn't want to look out my kitchen window and see nothing but a forest of those monsters! WV thrives on coal, yet an earlier post warns of the dangers of mining. Here in our area, hydrofracking is the hot topic as it was proposed and fought by the locals. Then of course there's all of the oil issues in the Gulf. My point is, yes, by all means let's protect our environment. My family and I did not sign a gas lease because we decided we'd rather see woods and fields clear than drilling rigs, but we also need energy, so where do we turn? Please don't misunderstand, I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to be a bit objective and thought provoking. Some day, we're going to have to pick the lesser of the evils. Which will it be?
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