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Trout Fishing

Dirty Dozen

Uploaded on January 12, 2012

I'm tying a bunch of flies this winter that I use to fish an upper midwest spring creek for Brook and brown trout. It got me thinking. What flies should fly fisherman always have in their fly box when fishing spring creeks? What are your don't-leave-home-without dries, nymphs, terrestrials and wet flies?

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from Sayfu wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

Lots of flies fished are SMALL BUGS...the PMD's, and the BWO's...and those bug cycles from nymphs to emergers. Small caddis as well. Got your casting in order? Able to fish small tippets, and land fish on small tippets?

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from Sayfu wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

UUPS...don't forget the small terrestrials...ants, beetles. A small black beatle can be a dynomite pattern.

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from dleurquin wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

My casting can always improve. I'll head to a domed soccer field in about a month to get in fighting shape. Trout waters open the first of March. I do alright playing fish on light lines, but I often need to get there with a lighter touch. Sometimes I find myself presenting my fly with a little too much stealth. Keep it subtle and as natural of a presentation as possible, right? It also wouldn't hurt to false cast less and roll cast more.

My spring creek dirty dozen include baetis patterns like the Skinny Nelson and a BH pheasant tail nymphs, RS2, wonder nymph, a pheasant tail emerger, a BWO CDC cripple and CDC dry. and some parachute Adams, I've got caddis dries, but need to find better caddis nymph and emerger patterns. I have PMD (we call them sulphurs here) dries and use the pheasant tails for the nymphs. I don't have much in the way of terrestrials except hoppers. I like your suggestion to use small beetles. I'm gonna definitely get some of those in my box. We don't get a lot of action on midges, though they're in there, and there are black stoneflies but I haven't had any luck on them. My go-to odd patterns include the pink squirrel, a wet fly, and scud. Is that a dozen yet? I tie most of my flies in size 18 and 20, PMDs, scuds and pink squirrels in 14 and 16.

Now that I wrote out my own list, I can see I still lack confidence in my sub surface caddis, terrestrial, and PMD patterns. if you have any pattern suggestions, let me know.

Thanks.

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from dleurquin wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Sayfu...I was thinking about tying some Copper Johns as a caddis pattern. Any luck on 'em in spring creeks or tailwaters by you?

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from Sayfu wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

My take on coppor John's is no for Spring Creek water. The big advantage of coppor Johns is they get down in faster water..a lot of wire, and bead. I think a beadheaded flashback PT nymph is about as flashy, and heavy as you need to get. The more natural, less flashy seems to work better in Spring Creek water. I use small soft hackles to good advantage bead heading them, the nymph form body, and the moving partridge hackles working well. I can tie them small "placing" the feather behind the bead rather than wrapping it. I cut the tip section of th feather out, and angle the "V" cut down behind the bead, holding it there in the left hand, and several soft loops of thread bind in the fibers I want behind the bead, and the bumped up thorax holds out the fibers. I can tie them in size #18 that way if I want small ones, and use other hackles besides partridge as well. A black metal bead can be used if flash is a problem, or plastic beads that are very small, sold as XSM and not any bigger than this "O" in peacock color, brown, black for bug heads, and fished in the surface when emergers are being taken. I always use some type of bead for how I will fish the fly because it serves to anchor in the hackle fibers. These can be good caddis emerger patterns. You can anchor in some antron fibers behind the wing for an emerging wing sparkle, and then place in the soft hackle fibers. I shot a Hungarian Partridge yesterday, and skinned it all out brought the cleaned bird inside today, and left the skin on the table outside, and my wife let out my hunting partner, my chocolate lab that retrieved it, and he ate the skin!!!!

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from backcast wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

D, I always carry some emerger/cripple patterns...wouldn't be caught without 'em. And beetle patterns are underrated, I actually catch more fish on them rather than the ubiquitous ant. Sayfu and I are both big advocates of soft hackle patterns and for good reason: they flat out catch fish. As for stoneflies, I wouldn't imagine that spring creeks have huge populations of them, due to their primitive gill structure, they're more common in high gradient, roily, well oxygenated water. I don't often fish stonefly nymphs, but when I do, I use smaller patterns, since most stones have a multi-year lifecycle, they are available in lots of different sizes. And may I offer a suggestion regarding sulpher nymph patterns? One of my favorite nymphs is the turkey tail nymph, tied just like a pheasant tail, but with wild turkey tail fibers instead. Sulpher nymphs darken up quite a bit just prior to emergence, and this fly, especially when ribbed with yellow or gold wire, is almost a dead ringer for them.

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from backcast wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Oh, BTW, like the avatar photo...looks like one of my releases!

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from dleurquin wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Sayfu, soft hackles are NOW on my tying to-do list. I like your idea about always using a bead. My thread heads often look unwieldy when I'm tying off multiple items by the hook eye. The bead makes it a less finnicky ordeal, doesn't it? My condolences to your partridge skin.

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from dleurquin wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Backcast, sound advice. Thanks. I think I might add a cripple pattern or two to my box. I've got a bunch of BWOs but only a few boughten sulphurs. Do the turkey fibers work better because they add a little more bulk than the pheasant fibers? Or, a different color/pattern?

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from dleurquin wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Do the turkey fibers on the turkey tail nymphs work better because they add a little more bulk than the pheasant fibers? Or, a different color/pattern?

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from Sayfu wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

SOOOOOOOOOO much easier to tie flies when you use a bead. All of my dry flies have beads. Someone will go, "A bead on a dry fly?!"..Yep, the small, and XSM beads are just like a shiny bug head, and in plastic they do not hinder the float. I've seen tiers use epoxy wanting to get a shiny finish to their thread heads...instantly accomplished using a bead...no crowding the hook eye...no lacquer getting in the hook eye. I do not even whip finish. I use that Borger, double under the thread when you pull the knot up tight, and a drop of head cement, or finger nail polish, and material and knot is locked in behind the bead. You do have to draw the knot up easy sometimes if it is caught on the edge of the bead as the bead can restrict, or even break a small diameter thread. I just tied some BWO #18, emergers as there was no hackle. I tied up two matching, pinched down CDC feathers for the wing in front of the bumped up dubbed thorax, then two pinched down grey duck wing small feathers matched outside of the CDC...trimmed the duck feathers short in front of the wraps and behind the bead, then pulled out the CDC stems at rt angles behind the bead, and a figure 8, or two to hold the CDC butts at Rt angles, a little more dubbing, coverikng the wraps, and in front of the CDC, finish knot, and then trimmed down the CDC stem butts short as emerging legs, that will stabalize the fly on the water, and add flotation, and done. Hard to create that without the bead. Parachutes are finished off easily as the feather comes up top, and wrapped in behind the beadhead. I leave a small stub of feather sticking up behind the bead to insure it doesn't pull out. It doesn't show. I had a wood fly tying fixture made by a commercial guy that holds 3 of those bigger plastic flat boxes with all the compartments. They slide in and out of the fixture. Two hold hooks, and one is just for all the different beads that I use, from tungstun, to metal, to plastic, and the different colors. Problem with the small plastic compartments that the plastic slots that can be pulled out, and placed differently is the hooks, and the beads can slide underneath them IF you do not use a shower sealer like silocone to seal them in at the base. Those heat sticks that you plug in the gun, and melt the glue worked for me at the base edge of those plastic slot pieces.

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from dleurquin wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Alright. I've got some beads right now. So far, I've been using them just for Ray Charles and various emergers. I'll give them a try on a larger scale.

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from backcast wrote 18 weeks 4 days ago

D, structurally speaking, the turkey tail fibers are very much like pheasant tail. The color is what does it for me. I feel it's a better representation of the majority of nymphs you'll find in a given stream. Fu, did you get the CDC butts as legs trick from Rene Harrop? I've seen him do it in his fly tying videos.

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from Sayfu wrote 18 weeks 4 days ago

Here is my take on CDC as the "pontoon" emerger designer. There is a long time guide that puts on tying demos at our local flyshop from time to time. He is given credit for his pontoon, CDC emerger. Then someone will say, NO, Rene' Harrop is the originator. I think, from what I've heard, that Andre' Puyans, the California guy who died a few years ago was the originator. He was an incredible tier, and fly designer. I watched him hand tie the original Sawyer PT nymph with his hands, and no vice at our big tying show...some months later, he died. It sure is easy to tie that pontoon emerger, and I get lots of CDC feathers from duck and goose hunting as well as those from my waterfowl hunting friends. Ever pinch down, and use those small, grey duck wing feathers? Pretty easy to match up, and create a small, grey wing that is tough, and water repellent. Easier than that "No Hackle" fly created from the duck quill matching feathers.

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from badsmerf wrote 16 weeks 2 days ago

Good tip on the beads sayfu. I will have to try this out when I move back to trout water:(. I moved early this winter and have been super busy. Might try to get on a wind farm over in your direction in the next few years. Would loooove to swing some flies for steelies!

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from Sayfu wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

My take on coppor John's is no for Spring Creek water. The big advantage of coppor Johns is they get down in faster water..a lot of wire, and bead. I think a beadheaded flashback PT nymph is about as flashy, and heavy as you need to get. The more natural, less flashy seems to work better in Spring Creek water. I use small soft hackles to good advantage bead heading them, the nymph form body, and the moving partridge hackles working well. I can tie them small "placing" the feather behind the bead rather than wrapping it. I cut the tip section of th feather out, and angle the "V" cut down behind the bead, holding it there in the left hand, and several soft loops of thread bind in the fibers I want behind the bead, and the bumped up thorax holds out the fibers. I can tie them in size #18 that way if I want small ones, and use other hackles besides partridge as well. A black metal bead can be used if flash is a problem, or plastic beads that are very small, sold as XSM and not any bigger than this "O" in peacock color, brown, black for bug heads, and fished in the surface when emergers are being taken. I always use some type of bead for how I will fish the fly because it serves to anchor in the hackle fibers. These can be good caddis emerger patterns. You can anchor in some antron fibers behind the wing for an emerging wing sparkle, and then place in the soft hackle fibers. I shot a Hungarian Partridge yesterday, and skinned it all out brought the cleaned bird inside today, and left the skin on the table outside, and my wife let out my hunting partner, my chocolate lab that retrieved it, and he ate the skin!!!!

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from backcast wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

D, I always carry some emerger/cripple patterns...wouldn't be caught without 'em. And beetle patterns are underrated, I actually catch more fish on them rather than the ubiquitous ant. Sayfu and I are both big advocates of soft hackle patterns and for good reason: they flat out catch fish. As for stoneflies, I wouldn't imagine that spring creeks have huge populations of them, due to their primitive gill structure, they're more common in high gradient, roily, well oxygenated water. I don't often fish stonefly nymphs, but when I do, I use smaller patterns, since most stones have a multi-year lifecycle, they are available in lots of different sizes. And may I offer a suggestion regarding sulpher nymph patterns? One of my favorite nymphs is the turkey tail nymph, tied just like a pheasant tail, but with wild turkey tail fibers instead. Sulpher nymphs darken up quite a bit just prior to emergence, and this fly, especially when ribbed with yellow or gold wire, is almost a dead ringer for them.

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from Sayfu wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

UUPS...don't forget the small terrestrials...ants, beetles. A small black beatle can be a dynomite pattern.

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from backcast wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Oh, BTW, like the avatar photo...looks like one of my releases!

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from Sayfu wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

SOOOOOOOOOO much easier to tie flies when you use a bead. All of my dry flies have beads. Someone will go, "A bead on a dry fly?!"..Yep, the small, and XSM beads are just like a shiny bug head, and in plastic they do not hinder the float. I've seen tiers use epoxy wanting to get a shiny finish to their thread heads...instantly accomplished using a bead...no crowding the hook eye...no lacquer getting in the hook eye. I do not even whip finish. I use that Borger, double under the thread when you pull the knot up tight, and a drop of head cement, or finger nail polish, and material and knot is locked in behind the bead. You do have to draw the knot up easy sometimes if it is caught on the edge of the bead as the bead can restrict, or even break a small diameter thread. I just tied some BWO #18, emergers as there was no hackle. I tied up two matching, pinched down CDC feathers for the wing in front of the bumped up dubbed thorax, then two pinched down grey duck wing small feathers matched outside of the CDC...trimmed the duck feathers short in front of the wraps and behind the bead, then pulled out the CDC stems at rt angles behind the bead, and a figure 8, or two to hold the CDC butts at Rt angles, a little more dubbing, coverikng the wraps, and in front of the CDC, finish knot, and then trimmed down the CDC stem butts short as emerging legs, that will stabalize the fly on the water, and add flotation, and done. Hard to create that without the bead. Parachutes are finished off easily as the feather comes up top, and wrapped in behind the beadhead. I leave a small stub of feather sticking up behind the bead to insure it doesn't pull out. It doesn't show. I had a wood fly tying fixture made by a commercial guy that holds 3 of those bigger plastic flat boxes with all the compartments. They slide in and out of the fixture. Two hold hooks, and one is just for all the different beads that I use, from tungstun, to metal, to plastic, and the different colors. Problem with the small plastic compartments that the plastic slots that can be pulled out, and placed differently is the hooks, and the beads can slide underneath them IF you do not use a shower sealer like silocone to seal them in at the base. Those heat sticks that you plug in the gun, and melt the glue worked for me at the base edge of those plastic slot pieces.

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from backcast wrote 18 weeks 4 days ago

D, structurally speaking, the turkey tail fibers are very much like pheasant tail. The color is what does it for me. I feel it's a better representation of the majority of nymphs you'll find in a given stream. Fu, did you get the CDC butts as legs trick from Rene Harrop? I've seen him do it in his fly tying videos.

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from Sayfu wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

Lots of flies fished are SMALL BUGS...the PMD's, and the BWO's...and those bug cycles from nymphs to emergers. Small caddis as well. Got your casting in order? Able to fish small tippets, and land fish on small tippets?

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from dleurquin wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

My casting can always improve. I'll head to a domed soccer field in about a month to get in fighting shape. Trout waters open the first of March. I do alright playing fish on light lines, but I often need to get there with a lighter touch. Sometimes I find myself presenting my fly with a little too much stealth. Keep it subtle and as natural of a presentation as possible, right? It also wouldn't hurt to false cast less and roll cast more.

My spring creek dirty dozen include baetis patterns like the Skinny Nelson and a BH pheasant tail nymphs, RS2, wonder nymph, a pheasant tail emerger, a BWO CDC cripple and CDC dry. and some parachute Adams, I've got caddis dries, but need to find better caddis nymph and emerger patterns. I have PMD (we call them sulphurs here) dries and use the pheasant tails for the nymphs. I don't have much in the way of terrestrials except hoppers. I like your suggestion to use small beetles. I'm gonna definitely get some of those in my box. We don't get a lot of action on midges, though they're in there, and there are black stoneflies but I haven't had any luck on them. My go-to odd patterns include the pink squirrel, a wet fly, and scud. Is that a dozen yet? I tie most of my flies in size 18 and 20, PMDs, scuds and pink squirrels in 14 and 16.

Now that I wrote out my own list, I can see I still lack confidence in my sub surface caddis, terrestrial, and PMD patterns. if you have any pattern suggestions, let me know.

Thanks.

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from dleurquin wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Sayfu...I was thinking about tying some Copper Johns as a caddis pattern. Any luck on 'em in spring creeks or tailwaters by you?

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from dleurquin wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Sayfu, soft hackles are NOW on my tying to-do list. I like your idea about always using a bead. My thread heads often look unwieldy when I'm tying off multiple items by the hook eye. The bead makes it a less finnicky ordeal, doesn't it? My condolences to your partridge skin.

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from dleurquin wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Backcast, sound advice. Thanks. I think I might add a cripple pattern or two to my box. I've got a bunch of BWOs but only a few boughten sulphurs. Do the turkey fibers work better because they add a little more bulk than the pheasant fibers? Or, a different color/pattern?

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from dleurquin wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Do the turkey fibers on the turkey tail nymphs work better because they add a little more bulk than the pheasant fibers? Or, a different color/pattern?

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from dleurquin wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Alright. I've got some beads right now. So far, I've been using them just for Ray Charles and various emergers. I'll give them a try on a larger scale.

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from Sayfu wrote 18 weeks 4 days ago

Here is my take on CDC as the "pontoon" emerger designer. There is a long time guide that puts on tying demos at our local flyshop from time to time. He is given credit for his pontoon, CDC emerger. Then someone will say, NO, Rene' Harrop is the originator. I think, from what I've heard, that Andre' Puyans, the California guy who died a few years ago was the originator. He was an incredible tier, and fly designer. I watched him hand tie the original Sawyer PT nymph with his hands, and no vice at our big tying show...some months later, he died. It sure is easy to tie that pontoon emerger, and I get lots of CDC feathers from duck and goose hunting as well as those from my waterfowl hunting friends. Ever pinch down, and use those small, grey duck wing feathers? Pretty easy to match up, and create a small, grey wing that is tough, and water repellent. Easier than that "No Hackle" fly created from the duck quill matching feathers.

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from badsmerf wrote 16 weeks 2 days ago

Good tip on the beads sayfu. I will have to try this out when I move back to trout water:(. I moved early this winter and have been super busy. Might try to get on a wind farm over in your direction in the next few years. Would loooove to swing some flies for steelies!

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