Trout Fishing
I've recently seen that some people really dislike strike indicators. My question is why the disdain? I hope sayfu weighs in on this because he has recently posted about it. I'm a newcomer to the board, as well as fly-fishing in general. Many consider Dave Whitlock an ambassador for the sport, and he is the one who invented them. Fishing with nymphs and streamers is still fly-fishing, so whats the big deal?
If their is a fine point against the indicator it is you are not directly in tune with the fly on the end of your line. There can often be a delay between your indicator on top, and the fly underneath. I have always given a great deal of attention to the approach that what you are trying to do is be in complete control of your fly line and leader the INSTANT the fly line-leader, and fly hit the water. That is why I like to dry fly fish so much. All your senses become acute..especially sight. I want to see my rod tip, be able to manage the slack effectively, see the leader, and hopefully see the fly, but if the leader pauses, or twitches, OR a fish dimples the surface where my fly hit the water, then I raise the rod tip, and set the hook. That is why good casting is necessary. A poor caster often opens up the loop when a tight loop is called for, and the fly gets blown 3 feet up river above where he thinks his small fly landed. Often, a fish will take, the instant the fly hits the water, and how many times is the beginner groping for the line trying to get a hold of it, at the most critical time. But a strike indicator is also a depth control tool. You want the fly 2' deep the entire drift?..indicator does it. I make up lots of strike indicators, stay in the cutting edge experimenting with them....then seldom do I use them. I chose to dry fly fish first along with swinging soft hackles, then streamer fish.
That makes sense. I know I've missed my share of fish on indicators. My favorite fly is quickly becoming mudler minnows.
Best day I ever had using a muddler was camping out on an Eastern WA lake, Lake Lenice having held a bug identification class that day on the lake seining bugs. The instructors planned on going out in float tubes fishing at nite for browns. Nite fishing didn't interest me much so I stayed in camp, and when they left before nitefall, I went down to the water's edge with a muddler tied on using a dry line. What action. Rainbows, and browns had moved into the shallows feeding on minnows I guess. My muddler worked time and again.
some people say that only beginners use strike indicators. i've never used them because i really don't know how.
Remember, when you hone your skills and can present the fly, lower your rod tip and see out through the rod to the line, to the leader, and then the fly that is floating top side if you are dry fly fishing, all of that becomes a strike indicator..your rod tip, the line, leader movement, and the fly. If you are fishing subsurface, the rod tip, line leader still are strike indicators. Sadly said, very few ever expand their awareness to that level. When I was a guide, and on the water all the time, I could row, and look downriver yet still pick up on one of those indicators from my clients fly out to the side of the boat, and recognize a fish take before the client knew they had a take. The client just had never advanced to that awareness stage.
How long did you guide for? I don't know if I would like watching other people fish or not. I think I might rather just make a bunch of money so I can fish whenever I want.
i guided hunters for a while and got to the point that i hated it. a lot like babysitting.
badsmerf...That is pretty good thinkin. I guided for 25 yrs...and all of it a part of my overall retail business. The early years were guiding hardware fisherman for steelhead, and that sometimes wasn't that enjoyable because those anglers are strictly about catching fish, most anyway possible, and the other pleasurable aspects that fly fisherman gravitate to are absent. The last 10 yrs. was fly fisherman only, and that was a lot more enjoyable because they are more into the entire package of fun regarding fishing. I do like to see others catch fish. I can catch several, and then sit down and watch others fish, catch fish, and enjoy themselves. I have always had that team feeling about fishing, just like I did in competitive athletics. One guy rows and puts you in position, and the other guy hooks up...one guy catches and the other guy nets. It is always a team feeling with me, as if I participated in the catch even though I didn't catch it. I've had some incredible experiences guiding in WA St., and in Alaska. I'll never forget what a young, very wealthy angler told me one time on a float trip on the Yakima River in WA ST. with his young son. The catching on dry flies was fantastic. The guy gave it up after a few hours, and I'd get out of the boat and wade fish with his young son, hanging onto him so he wouldn't fall in playing a rainbow. The kid caught fish after fish. Then we had lunch, and the guy says, "How far to the boat ramp?"..he was done for the day. He said to me, "I have a lot of friends that have a lot of money, but they seldom get to go fishing with me. They just don't have TIME and MONEY like I do." I never forgot that...what a great combination! The guy had fished rivers all over the world.
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If their is a fine point against the indicator it is you are not directly in tune with the fly on the end of your line. There can often be a delay between your indicator on top, and the fly underneath. I have always given a great deal of attention to the approach that what you are trying to do is be in complete control of your fly line and leader the INSTANT the fly line-leader, and fly hit the water. That is why I like to dry fly fish so much. All your senses become acute..especially sight. I want to see my rod tip, be able to manage the slack effectively, see the leader, and hopefully see the fly, but if the leader pauses, or twitches, OR a fish dimples the surface where my fly hit the water, then I raise the rod tip, and set the hook. That is why good casting is necessary. A poor caster often opens up the loop when a tight loop is called for, and the fly gets blown 3 feet up river above where he thinks his small fly landed. Often, a fish will take, the instant the fly hits the water, and how many times is the beginner groping for the line trying to get a hold of it, at the most critical time. But a strike indicator is also a depth control tool. You want the fly 2' deep the entire drift?..indicator does it. I make up lots of strike indicators, stay in the cutting edge experimenting with them....then seldom do I use them. I chose to dry fly fish first along with swinging soft hackles, then streamer fish.
That makes sense. I know I've missed my share of fish on indicators. My favorite fly is quickly becoming mudler minnows.
Best day I ever had using a muddler was camping out on an Eastern WA lake, Lake Lenice having held a bug identification class that day on the lake seining bugs. The instructors planned on going out in float tubes fishing at nite for browns. Nite fishing didn't interest me much so I stayed in camp, and when they left before nitefall, I went down to the water's edge with a muddler tied on using a dry line. What action. Rainbows, and browns had moved into the shallows feeding on minnows I guess. My muddler worked time and again.
some people say that only beginners use strike indicators. i've never used them because i really don't know how.
Remember, when you hone your skills and can present the fly, lower your rod tip and see out through the rod to the line, to the leader, and then the fly that is floating top side if you are dry fly fishing, all of that becomes a strike indicator..your rod tip, the line, leader movement, and the fly. If you are fishing subsurface, the rod tip, line leader still are strike indicators. Sadly said, very few ever expand their awareness to that level. When I was a guide, and on the water all the time, I could row, and look downriver yet still pick up on one of those indicators from my clients fly out to the side of the boat, and recognize a fish take before the client knew they had a take. The client just had never advanced to that awareness stage.
How long did you guide for? I don't know if I would like watching other people fish or not. I think I might rather just make a bunch of money so I can fish whenever I want.
i guided hunters for a while and got to the point that i hated it. a lot like babysitting.
badsmerf...That is pretty good thinkin. I guided for 25 yrs...and all of it a part of my overall retail business. The early years were guiding hardware fisherman for steelhead, and that sometimes wasn't that enjoyable because those anglers are strictly about catching fish, most anyway possible, and the other pleasurable aspects that fly fisherman gravitate to are absent. The last 10 yrs. was fly fisherman only, and that was a lot more enjoyable because they are more into the entire package of fun regarding fishing. I do like to see others catch fish. I can catch several, and then sit down and watch others fish, catch fish, and enjoy themselves. I have always had that team feeling about fishing, just like I did in competitive athletics. One guy rows and puts you in position, and the other guy hooks up...one guy catches and the other guy nets. It is always a team feeling with me, as if I participated in the catch even though I didn't catch it. I've had some incredible experiences guiding in WA St., and in Alaska. I'll never forget what a young, very wealthy angler told me one time on a float trip on the Yakima River in WA ST. with his young son. The catching on dry flies was fantastic. The guy gave it up after a few hours, and I'd get out of the boat and wade fish with his young son, hanging onto him so he wouldn't fall in playing a rainbow. The kid caught fish after fish. Then we had lunch, and the guy says, "How far to the boat ramp?"..he was done for the day. He said to me, "I have a lot of friends that have a lot of money, but they seldom get to go fishing with me. They just don't have TIME and MONEY like I do." I never forgot that...what a great combination! The guy had fished rivers all over the world.
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