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Thank GOD for people like Ed Snowden, the whistle blower that revealed the Government spy operation. Without people like him the Government would just keep going on and on. Some say the Government operations were illegal and that Congress approved a much less intrusive operation. Can Ed Snowden be tried for doing something illegal about something the Government was doing that is illegal?
Let's see?
What was that Obabble leaked awhile back tjat was poohed-poohed as "no big deal".
We have the CIA stepping over the line! (go figure!)
The IRS going "above and beyond" on specific political groups.
The FOX reporter raked over the coals because he revealed some dirt on the current admin.
"Fast & Furious"
Van Jones
Jeremiah Wright
...and that's just a little of the b.s. we KNOW about!
And remember, you can't get partisan on this one. Remember this was Bush the Second's brainchild. Like I've said, the Republican's need to wake up, reflect, and get back to their base...the people. Congress and two Pesidents knew this was happening and now that it's out they want to feign outrage. It's a political cover up from all of them. This isn't a Democrat - Republican thing.
I'm so glad you cleared that up for everyone,allegnmtm!
It's just odd to me that as Senator and candidate Obama, he railed against Bush and the GOP.
Since being elected/reelected, he has expanded everything he voted against or campaigned against.
Ain't that neat?
I guess the government must be monitoring this site too. They made me inter my e-mail and password 13 times before they would let me on the site. Give the man a medal. The 4th amendment was written to protect Americans from just what is going on now . The 4th amendment is being stomped on and trashed like you won't believe. Of course we know the President has stated that the Constitution is an outdated document so it doesn't surprise me. It started under Bush and has been expanded under Obama. I'm glad the young man had brought it to light for all of the American people to see just how every American is being watched. The Patriot Act was for keeping track of terrorist groups and shady individuals who want to do us harm. With all of their spying why didn't they catch the Boston bombers even after they had been warned ? Too busy keeping tract of everyday citizens. It was not intended to keep tabs on every citizen in the United States like is being done. It seems like conservatives are the Obama administration's No. 1 enemy. I hope they enjoy reading this.
medal.
It's a very clear violation of the 4th, but legal.
Under the Patriot Act everything they are doing is legal. It was voted in during that cowardly time for our US Congress, and renewed by more cowards. No one wants to lose an election.
I called my very conservative congressman today and urged him (via the person fielding calls) to revise the Patriot Act so this stops. Will everyone reading this call their congressman?
I didn't need to call my senator, he sits on the senate intelligence committee and has been warning us again and again and again. He wasn't able to get specific without breaking the law.
I've always felt that not prosecuting the crimes beginning with the Iraq war was a mistake. No president voluntarily gives up powers, my worry is about the next or the one after that.
I've lived in very bad places, I don't want the US to become that.
read here why he didn't go to the NYT
www.salon.com/2013/06/10/qa_with_laura_poitras_the_woman_behind_the_nsa_...
Stay tuned. More to this story to come.
Does anybody know what happened to Hoski,'ought-six or joelson ??
Maybe their mother ship arrived and picked them up.
Well it's official, Boehner and the Republicans want him shot. Good to see you guys thinking independently. Maybe I'll have to retract my sheeple statements if you keep up this streak.
He at least deserves the same medal given to the Fort Hood shooter, he didn't even have to kill anyone!
Is that the official Republican postion? That's too bad. The initial reaction I heard was 4th amendment etc. The guy is a libertarian, donated to Ron Paul.
You've all gone strangely quiet here. Boehner says Snowden is a traitor..live on national tv. Sounds like the Republican position to me... Boehner says he believes the spying is a good thing. He says the government will protect your privacy and not look at all your emails and web surfing activity or listen to the recordings of your phone calls. He says trust the government on this one. Don't worry...ok...must be fine then...
"Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."
Benjamin Franklin
The problem with every government program is that they start out innocent enough but then snowball into a monster . the Patriot Act has just gotten bigger and bigger and started watching more and more of our lives. Google which is in bed with this administration knows everything about us. Once these programs get so big no one knows how to reign them in.
Whatsa matter -1, one guy shoots the devil out of our military (his "comrades", and he merely "expressed" his views; another guy blows the whistle on the government spying on it's citizens (which the majority, yeah we can use that word too, believes to be unconstitutional), and he's a traitor. Something doesn't add up here!
Don't understand the Fort Hood reference. That Muslim soldier doc who shot up the place until some security gal popped him? What does he have to do with anything?
Patriot Act started out bad, didn't need to get worse.
The Fort Hood reference is due to the fact that that guy IS guilty of treason because he took an oath to "defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic", and yet killed his own comrades.
Snowden merely informed the public to the illicit(?) dealings of the government, not putting anyone's life in danger.
The wikileaks dude DID put lives in danger, and the number of lives lost by his actions cannot be numbered, he is also guilty of treason.
I just don't see fort hood as being a Constitutional issue. Flipped out religious zeolot decides to go on a jihad. Not so different than those guys in Boston. Lot of anti Muslim sentiment right now.
Manning I never did understand what his purpose was. I certainly consider his treason a lot smaller than the Bush admin lying to start a war that killed thousands of Americans, maybe a hundred thousand civilians, and cost the US a trillion. Now that's a big deal. I read the entire wikileaks cables for the embassy in the capital I'm familiar with. A big yawn. Expats say the same stuff speculating. Cheney blew the cover of a CIA agent Valerie Plame who was working on nukes, doesn't get much worse than that does it? Guy will die never having spent a day behind bars.
We'll see about Snowden. I like that they might reign in the data mining. I can see how it would be easy to abuse.
I do not think Snowden revealed much that was not already known by many. A two billion dollar facility with hundreds of contractors and a 3 million gallon computer cooling water pool has to raise some question.
This facility was reported on by major media for over a year and to me does not take much to deduce what is going on. Think worse case scenario.
Only when the people of the press and the high-brows in Washington were involved did it begin to raise the attention level. This kind of draconian operation is only one click away from being a total oppressive disaster. I am glad Congress is going to delve into the operations more deeply.
jhjimbo you are 100% correct, several years ago I saw a PBS special on the history of the NSA, and in that special they spotlighted the use of personal contact monitoring. I knew! Did you?
ANYTIME these types of clandestine operations are set up , this is the "usual" outcome.
What Dubya "should" have done was set the Patriot Act up to expire 1/1/2009. Let Obama set up his own. It's human nature.
Just like the IRS fiasco. I truly believe, the "idea" was planted by "Obama-ites", and I truly believe it was to"help" Obama's reelection.
Truth? I don't know? It's just a gut feeling.
Whether planted or not, it certainly is yet another step towards eight more years of Democratic rule and the all the continued "fun". If you didn't believe me when I said the Republican leadership had no connection to the average hard working American, how about now? They stepped up and called Snowden a terrorist while we are saying we want the constitution and our rights protected. Their response... don't worry about you're rights, we've decided you don't have any. The constitution only applies when politically expedient to them. What do they want? More big brother, big government, and the status quo...no sense of what most Americans want.
Now a vast majority of Americans are agreeing on something and the Republican leadership shows it's true colors. They don't care about you, what you think, or your rights. Obama being a weasel and a politician to the core, keeps his mouth shut and watches his poll numbers rise.
When you finally tire of searching for that "Silver Bullet" (perfect party platform) and start realizing that "they" (Dems, GOP's, Indies, etc...) are all human and aren't "perfect", maybe you'll eventually.....
nope, you won't! You're stuck in that "...the GOP's broke!..." paradigm!
Just another, "I'll [√] Independent before I'd vote for McCain or Romney! "
THAT'S the mindset that elects (D)!
Who could be worse on the Demcratic ticket than HR Clinton?!
I'd just about lay you even odds that not only does she run, but WINS!
(that's only if BHO doesn't flimflam his way into FDR Land and win a third term!)
IT AIN'T OVER FOLKS!!!
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"Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."
Benjamin Franklin
The Fort Hood reference is due to the fact that that guy IS guilty of treason because he took an oath to "defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic", and yet killed his own comrades.
Snowden merely informed the public to the illicit(?) dealings of the government, not putting anyone's life in danger.
The wikileaks dude DID put lives in danger, and the number of lives lost by his actions cannot be numbered, he is also guilty of treason.
Whether planted or not, it certainly is yet another step towards eight more years of Democratic rule and the all the continued "fun". If you didn't believe me when I said the Republican leadership had no connection to the average hard working American, how about now? They stepped up and called Snowden a terrorist while we are saying we want the constitution and our rights protected. Their response... don't worry about you're rights, we've decided you don't have any. The constitution only applies when politically expedient to them. What do they want? More big brother, big government, and the status quo...no sense of what most Americans want.
Now a vast majority of Americans are agreeing on something and the Republican leadership shows it's true colors. They don't care about you, what you think, or your rights. Obama being a weasel and a politician to the core, keeps his mouth shut and watches his poll numbers rise.
Thank GOD for people like Ed Snowden, the whistle blower that revealed the Government spy operation. Without people like him the Government would just keep going on and on. Some say the Government operations were illegal and that Congress approved a much less intrusive operation. Can Ed Snowden be tried for doing something illegal about something the Government was doing that is illegal?
And remember, you can't get partisan on this one. Remember this was Bush the Second's brainchild. Like I've said, the Republican's need to wake up, reflect, and get back to their base...the people. Congress and two Pesidents knew this was happening and now that it's out they want to feign outrage. It's a political cover up from all of them. This isn't a Democrat - Republican thing.
I guess the government must be monitoring this site too. They made me inter my e-mail and password 13 times before they would let me on the site. Give the man a medal. The 4th amendment was written to protect Americans from just what is going on now . The 4th amendment is being stomped on and trashed like you won't believe. Of course we know the President has stated that the Constitution is an outdated document so it doesn't surprise me. It started under Bush and has been expanded under Obama. I'm glad the young man had brought it to light for all of the American people to see just how every American is being watched. The Patriot Act was for keeping track of terrorist groups and shady individuals who want to do us harm. With all of their spying why didn't they catch the Boston bombers even after they had been warned ? Too busy keeping tract of everyday citizens. It was not intended to keep tabs on every citizen in the United States like is being done. It seems like conservatives are the Obama administration's No. 1 enemy. I hope they enjoy reading this.
Well it's official, Boehner and the Republicans want him shot. Good to see you guys thinking independently. Maybe I'll have to retract my sheeple statements if you keep up this streak.
You've all gone strangely quiet here. Boehner says Snowden is a traitor..live on national tv. Sounds like the Republican position to me... Boehner says he believes the spying is a good thing. He says the government will protect your privacy and not look at all your emails and web surfing activity or listen to the recordings of your phone calls. He says trust the government on this one. Don't worry...ok...must be fine then...
Don't understand the Fort Hood reference. That Muslim soldier doc who shot up the place until some security gal popped him? What does he have to do with anything?
Patriot Act started out bad, didn't need to get worse.
I just don't see fort hood as being a Constitutional issue. Flipped out religious zeolot decides to go on a jihad. Not so different than those guys in Boston. Lot of anti Muslim sentiment right now.
Manning I never did understand what his purpose was. I certainly consider his treason a lot smaller than the Bush admin lying to start a war that killed thousands of Americans, maybe a hundred thousand civilians, and cost the US a trillion. Now that's a big deal. I read the entire wikileaks cables for the embassy in the capital I'm familiar with. A big yawn. Expats say the same stuff speculating. Cheney blew the cover of a CIA agent Valerie Plame who was working on nukes, doesn't get much worse than that does it? Guy will die never having spent a day behind bars.
We'll see about Snowden. I like that they might reign in the data mining. I can see how it would be easy to abuse.
Let's see?
What was that Obabble leaked awhile back tjat was poohed-poohed as "no big deal".
We have the CIA stepping over the line! (go figure!)
The IRS going "above and beyond" on specific political groups.
The FOX reporter raked over the coals because he revealed some dirt on the current admin.
"Fast & Furious"
Van Jones
Jeremiah Wright
...and that's just a little of the b.s. we KNOW about!
I'm so glad you cleared that up for everyone,allegnmtm!
It's just odd to me that as Senator and candidate Obama, he railed against Bush and the GOP.
Since being elected/reelected, he has expanded everything he voted against or campaigned against.
Ain't that neat?
medal.
It's a very clear violation of the 4th, but legal.
Under the Patriot Act everything they are doing is legal. It was voted in during that cowardly time for our US Congress, and renewed by more cowards. No one wants to lose an election.
I called my very conservative congressman today and urged him (via the person fielding calls) to revise the Patriot Act so this stops. Will everyone reading this call their congressman?
I didn't need to call my senator, he sits on the senate intelligence committee and has been warning us again and again and again. He wasn't able to get specific without breaking the law.
I've always felt that not prosecuting the crimes beginning with the Iraq war was a mistake. No president voluntarily gives up powers, my worry is about the next or the one after that.
I've lived in very bad places, I don't want the US to become that.
read here why he didn't go to the NYT
www.salon.com/2013/06/10/qa_with_laura_poitras_the_woman_behind_the_nsa_...
Stay tuned. More to this story to come.
Does anybody know what happened to Hoski,'ought-six or joelson ??
Maybe their mother ship arrived and picked them up.
Is that the official Republican postion? That's too bad. The initial reaction I heard was 4th amendment etc. The guy is a libertarian, donated to Ron Paul.
The problem with every government program is that they start out innocent enough but then snowball into a monster . the Patriot Act has just gotten bigger and bigger and started watching more and more of our lives. Google which is in bed with this administration knows everything about us. Once these programs get so big no one knows how to reign them in.
Whatsa matter -1, one guy shoots the devil out of our military (his "comrades", and he merely "expressed" his views; another guy blows the whistle on the government spying on it's citizens (which the majority, yeah we can use that word too, believes to be unconstitutional), and he's a traitor. Something doesn't add up here!
I do not think Snowden revealed much that was not already known by many. A two billion dollar facility with hundreds of contractors and a 3 million gallon computer cooling water pool has to raise some question.
This facility was reported on by major media for over a year and to me does not take much to deduce what is going on. Think worse case scenario.
Only when the people of the press and the high-brows in Washington were involved did it begin to raise the attention level. This kind of draconian operation is only one click away from being a total oppressive disaster. I am glad Congress is going to delve into the operations more deeply.
jhjimbo you are 100% correct, several years ago I saw a PBS special on the history of the NSA, and in that special they spotlighted the use of personal contact monitoring. I knew! Did you?
ANYTIME these types of clandestine operations are set up , this is the "usual" outcome.
What Dubya "should" have done was set the Patriot Act up to expire 1/1/2009. Let Obama set up his own. It's human nature.
Just like the IRS fiasco. I truly believe, the "idea" was planted by "Obama-ites", and I truly believe it was to"help" Obama's reelection.
Truth? I don't know? It's just a gut feeling.
When you finally tire of searching for that "Silver Bullet" (perfect party platform) and start realizing that "they" (Dems, GOP's, Indies, etc...) are all human and aren't "perfect", maybe you'll eventually.....
nope, you won't! You're stuck in that "...the GOP's broke!..." paradigm!
Just another, "I'll [√] Independent before I'd vote for McCain or Romney! "
THAT'S the mindset that elects (D)!
Who could be worse on the Demcratic ticket than HR Clinton?!
I'd just about lay you even odds that not only does she run, but WINS!
(that's only if BHO doesn't flimflam his way into FDR Land and win a third term!)
IT AIN'T OVER FOLKS!!!
He at least deserves the same medal given to the Fort Hood shooter, he didn't even have to kill anyone!
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