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Rifles

Combination Rifle/Shotgun???

Uploaded on December 29, 2009

Hello,

I'm interested in doing some non-specific hunting while snowshoeing/hiking. I'm lookig for a multipurpose weapon that I can take along that will allow me to hunt small game ranging from squirel, rabbit, birds, fox, and coyote. Recently I've been looking at break action combination guns such as the Savage Model 24. I've looked into the model 24, and I haven't been able to really find anything. Do they still make it? Are there other manufactures that make a similar gun? What are your thoughts? Is a combination gun worthwhile, or should I simply carry a 20g? I was thinking of getting a 20g/.22-250. What ya think???

Thanks,
John

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from MLH wrote 4 years 15 weeks ago

Combos are great. I had two Savage 24s - an old .22/.410 and a .223 Rem/12 ga. Only problem here in Michigan is that you can't carry the rifle shells on you if you are upland hunting or deer hunting in shotgun only zones. Might be best for squirrels or coyotes. A combination that also works well is a shotgun with an open holstered rimfire handgun (revolver or semi-auto). Not sure if they still make them but I have seen them in several gun shops.

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from texasjohn wrote 4 years 15 weeks ago

One of my personal favorite "just-out-messing-around" guns is a Savage 24-C, 3" 20 ga with a .22 LR on top. I've had it for about 30 years, all my kids and a few neighbor kids have used it, and I couldn't begin to tell you what all game and non-game animals have fallen to it. I have personally used it for dove, deer, alligator, coyote... Never mind, the list is too long. Savage is still in business, but the current 24P model is about $300 and I believe goes up to a .308 over 12 ga, among other options. I've seen a number of older used ones for less than half that recently, you will just have to look.

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from 3030forlife wrote 4 years 15 weeks ago

From what I understand they are great guns, my friend has a 22 over .410 and his dad has a 222 over 20 gauge.

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from Sourdough Dave wrote 4 years 15 weeks ago

Savage made the great model 24 that is the gauge by which other superimposed shotgun/rifle combo guns are compared. Unfortunately, I don't think Savage still makes these great guns. Then there was the Springfield Armory remake of the pilot survival .410/.22. Again, no longer made. As far as I know, the only superimposed rifle/ shotgun combo still in production are those offered by Remington as the SPR-94. They are offered in .22LR over.410, .22 mag. over .410, and a .223/12 ga.

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from matt wasson wrote 4 years 15 weeks ago

I love the 20/.22 or the .410/.22 , hiking...definatley want a light gun!

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from tmwilsoniv wrote 4 years 15 weeks ago

John,

What you are looking for is available. A good starting point would be the Valmet 412, 412S, & 412ST.

The Savage 2400 was made by Valmet for Savage. The Valmet 412 series and the Savage 2400 series came from the same factory, but the similarities end there.

Valmet was taken over by Tikka, which produced the Tikka 412S, which was in turn, taken over by Sako, which, in turn, was taken over by Beretta.

The current shotgun/rifle combination gun, the FinnClasic 512S, is a joint venture between Sako-Valmet of Finland, and Marocchi of Italy.

I own Two Valmets, an old Valmet Lion and the incredible 412 ST. The 412 ST has been described as the "Tight-wad's Kreighoff."
If you can find a 412ST, grab it! The 512S FinnClassic, while very good quality, is not as robust as the original Valmet 412 series.

The parts for the Valmet 412 series, the Tikka 412S, and the FinnClassic 512S are all interchangeable.

I can't say enough in favor of the Valmet 412ST. The only theoretical problem I have heard would be parts availability. I have enjoyed my old Lion for the last 30 years putting tens of thousands of rounds through it without a FTF or problem of any sort. I would expect nothing less from the 412ST.

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from JohnBear52786 wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

Wow!

Thanks a lot for all the input guys! I really appreciate it! I think a savage 24 would be a good bet for me. Maybe in in .223/12g? I'll start looking around and see what turns up.

Thanks again!

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from 007 wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

I have three variations on the Savage 24, a .22 magnum over 20, a .222 over 20, and a .223 over 12, my usual spring turkey gun, and have never understood why the concept never really caught on in this country. I hope to one day find a .22LR over .410 that I can afford as well. Not sure if Savage still markets o/u's anymore or not. You might look around for one of the recently discontinued Remington/Spartans, I think they offered a combo. Great concept, you have the right idea, my friend. One thing tho, I've never seen the .22-250 in this application and from what I understand, the Savage platform would not support the pressures of that caliber, therefore the .222/.223 family. Good shooting!!

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from 007 wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

JohnBear, either your post popped up while I was writing mine or else I didn't see it. Regarding the .223/12 Savage,I really like mine (24F12T) and it shoots very well. If you do find one, do your homework a bit as some of them did not shoot that well. Mine likes W/W 50 grain PSP's and Federal 2 oz. #6's.

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from Thomas Sunde wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

There are a couple of on line action sites that have Combination Rifle/Shotguns for sale. Matter of fact I just pick up a .223/20 Combo. Savage 24V. Sure not as cheap as the Savage 24DL I picked up in 1964. Hope to use the spring in Pa. for Turkey.

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from JLodico wrote 3 years 4 weeks ago

I have a Valmet 412 12/6.5x55 and I love it I can hunt anything from Dove to Elk with no worries. I have a second o/u smooth bore 12 if I want to just hunt birds and it takes about 5 sec to swap barrels.

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from RES1956 wrote 3 years 4 weeks ago

007, you wouldn't shoot a turkey with that .223 would you, tell me it's a lie,,,, Back in the day when it was fashionable to shoot deer in front of dogs, I got a deal on a drilling Colt imported made by J.P. Sauer and Sons, 12x12x30/06 that was real deal. Back then it was not important what you were hunting or with what, just that the season was in, you had permission to hunt the land, and a hunting license. Been a lot of evenings I'd come home and skin a deer, pick ducks, and clean rabbits and squirrels. Back then, we just went huntin'. Life was a whole lot simpler then.

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from 007 wrote 3 years 4 weeks ago

Rifles are legal in WV and yes, I have taken several gobblers with the rifle barrel. I'm more of a rifleman than a shotgunner and trust the rifle barrel more for a quick and humane kill. I DO NOT shoot at excess distances regardless of what barrel the gun is set for, I still call them in as close as possible.

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from jwallen wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

CZ 584 Mod.4, 12/70 x 30-06. I bought it for jungle pig hunting in Hawaii. A slug in the 12ga barrel hits within two inches of the rifle barrel out to 50 yards so I carry it in the thick stuff. With a tang saftey and double triggers it is potent, lightning fast combination at close range and when I am at home in Alaska I put the 1,5x5 VX III on and use it to moose hunt casually and take an occasional grouse or ptarmigan.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 15 weeks ago

Combos are great. I had two Savage 24s - an old .22/.410 and a .223 Rem/12 ga. Only problem here in Michigan is that you can't carry the rifle shells on you if you are upland hunting or deer hunting in shotgun only zones. Might be best for squirrels or coyotes. A combination that also works well is a shotgun with an open holstered rimfire handgun (revolver or semi-auto). Not sure if they still make them but I have seen them in several gun shops.

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from texasjohn wrote 4 years 15 weeks ago

One of my personal favorite "just-out-messing-around" guns is a Savage 24-C, 3" 20 ga with a .22 LR on top. I've had it for about 30 years, all my kids and a few neighbor kids have used it, and I couldn't begin to tell you what all game and non-game animals have fallen to it. I have personally used it for dove, deer, alligator, coyote... Never mind, the list is too long. Savage is still in business, but the current 24P model is about $300 and I believe goes up to a .308 over 12 ga, among other options. I've seen a number of older used ones for less than half that recently, you will just have to look.

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from 3030forlife wrote 4 years 15 weeks ago

From what I understand they are great guns, my friend has a 22 over .410 and his dad has a 222 over 20 gauge.

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from Sourdough Dave wrote 4 years 15 weeks ago

Savage made the great model 24 that is the gauge by which other superimposed shotgun/rifle combo guns are compared. Unfortunately, I don't think Savage still makes these great guns. Then there was the Springfield Armory remake of the pilot survival .410/.22. Again, no longer made. As far as I know, the only superimposed rifle/ shotgun combo still in production are those offered by Remington as the SPR-94. They are offered in .22LR over.410, .22 mag. over .410, and a .223/12 ga.

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from matt wasson wrote 4 years 15 weeks ago

I love the 20/.22 or the .410/.22 , hiking...definatley want a light gun!

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from tmwilsoniv wrote 4 years 15 weeks ago

John,

What you are looking for is available. A good starting point would be the Valmet 412, 412S, & 412ST.

The Savage 2400 was made by Valmet for Savage. The Valmet 412 series and the Savage 2400 series came from the same factory, but the similarities end there.

Valmet was taken over by Tikka, which produced the Tikka 412S, which was in turn, taken over by Sako, which, in turn, was taken over by Beretta.

The current shotgun/rifle combination gun, the FinnClasic 512S, is a joint venture between Sako-Valmet of Finland, and Marocchi of Italy.

I own Two Valmets, an old Valmet Lion and the incredible 412 ST. The 412 ST has been described as the "Tight-wad's Kreighoff."
If you can find a 412ST, grab it! The 512S FinnClassic, while very good quality, is not as robust as the original Valmet 412 series.

The parts for the Valmet 412 series, the Tikka 412S, and the FinnClassic 512S are all interchangeable.

I can't say enough in favor of the Valmet 412ST. The only theoretical problem I have heard would be parts availability. I have enjoyed my old Lion for the last 30 years putting tens of thousands of rounds through it without a FTF or problem of any sort. I would expect nothing less from the 412ST.

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from JohnBear52786 wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

Wow!

Thanks a lot for all the input guys! I really appreciate it! I think a savage 24 would be a good bet for me. Maybe in in .223/12g? I'll start looking around and see what turns up.

Thanks again!

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from 007 wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

I have three variations on the Savage 24, a .22 magnum over 20, a .222 over 20, and a .223 over 12, my usual spring turkey gun, and have never understood why the concept never really caught on in this country. I hope to one day find a .22LR over .410 that I can afford as well. Not sure if Savage still markets o/u's anymore or not. You might look around for one of the recently discontinued Remington/Spartans, I think they offered a combo. Great concept, you have the right idea, my friend. One thing tho, I've never seen the .22-250 in this application and from what I understand, the Savage platform would not support the pressures of that caliber, therefore the .222/.223 family. Good shooting!!

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from 007 wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

JohnBear, either your post popped up while I was writing mine or else I didn't see it. Regarding the .223/12 Savage,I really like mine (24F12T) and it shoots very well. If you do find one, do your homework a bit as some of them did not shoot that well. Mine likes W/W 50 grain PSP's and Federal 2 oz. #6's.

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from Thomas Sunde wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

There are a couple of on line action sites that have Combination Rifle/Shotguns for sale. Matter of fact I just pick up a .223/20 Combo. Savage 24V. Sure not as cheap as the Savage 24DL I picked up in 1964. Hope to use the spring in Pa. for Turkey.

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from JLodico wrote 3 years 4 weeks ago

I have a Valmet 412 12/6.5x55 and I love it I can hunt anything from Dove to Elk with no worries. I have a second o/u smooth bore 12 if I want to just hunt birds and it takes about 5 sec to swap barrels.

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from RES1956 wrote 3 years 4 weeks ago

007, you wouldn't shoot a turkey with that .223 would you, tell me it's a lie,,,, Back in the day when it was fashionable to shoot deer in front of dogs, I got a deal on a drilling Colt imported made by J.P. Sauer and Sons, 12x12x30/06 that was real deal. Back then it was not important what you were hunting or with what, just that the season was in, you had permission to hunt the land, and a hunting license. Been a lot of evenings I'd come home and skin a deer, pick ducks, and clean rabbits and squirrels. Back then, we just went huntin'. Life was a whole lot simpler then.

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from 007 wrote 3 years 4 weeks ago

Rifles are legal in WV and yes, I have taken several gobblers with the rifle barrel. I'm more of a rifleman than a shotgunner and trust the rifle barrel more for a quick and humane kill. I DO NOT shoot at excess distances regardless of what barrel the gun is set for, I still call them in as close as possible.

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from jwallen wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

CZ 584 Mod.4, 12/70 x 30-06. I bought it for jungle pig hunting in Hawaii. A slug in the 12ga barrel hits within two inches of the rifle barrel out to 50 yards so I carry it in the thick stuff. With a tang saftey and double triggers it is potent, lightning fast combination at close range and when I am at home in Alaska I put the 1,5x5 VX III on and use it to moose hunt casually and take an occasional grouse or ptarmigan.

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