Rifles
I've been doing some searching and a few rifles have caught my eye. The H/k SL8-1, H/K ump USC, And the Steyr Aug. All these guns ive noticed run up into the 1300+ would it be worth buying these or would i be better off going with a Ar-15? I'm also looking into getting a percison rifle to pratice my aim when i intend to start hunting any suggestions?
For the precision rifle to practice i would look at a Reminton Model 700 or a Savage model 12 in either .223 or .308. I have a 700 in .308 and a savage model 12 in .223. I absolutely love both of them. I shoot them both up to 500 yard religiously and have had no problems, other than finding the right ammo. But the .223 and .308 are cheap to shoot so you can shoot more often and they have low recoil to help you practice your form and not get beat up in the process. i would highly recommend putting some good glass on top of 'em thoght.
Your choices are autoloading rifles and, though both HK and Steyr are fine choices, they potential for affordable accessorization (should that be a consideration) is limited compared to the AR-15 variants, for which a great spectrum of aftermarket products are available.
If more precise shooting is also your intent, the autoloaders will provide very serviceable accuracy but I agree with the recommendation for a bolt action rifle for greater accuracy potential. The Remington Model 700 with the heavier "Varmint" contour is certainly an excellent choice, and there are others makes and models as well.
If you handload (or intend to) the .223 will provide you with more affordable practice and lower cost for components...more "bang for the buck".
You mention you intend to start hunting, but you didn't say whether your quarry is small game or medium game. That decision will affect others, as the .308 cartridge moves to the forefront of your two choices in either the autoloader or bolt action rifles.
thanks for the info, would it be possible to hunt with 30-06? or is that big game as far as elk, and moose? im mostly thinking about starting off with small game and then work my way up. What i'd like to do is find one rifle that would be good with small - medium game so that i can cut down on weight, ammo, and money
I use a 30-06 quite a bit from whitetail deer to coyotes and such. If your gonna be re-loading and cuting down on bullet weight and powder you should be ok. The 30-06 has been a proven cal. for a long time, and alot of people still use them today. For the small game depending on what the critter is you might want to look into something a little smaller. Maybe a 223 or 22-250. Both great rounds and not crazy expensive and they are good for long range shots also.
You might consider a varminter class AR15. I have a Bushmaster Varminter... they have 24 inch heavy barrels and are capable of very high accuracy. I usually beat most Remington 700s at the range. I shoot quarter to half inch groups at 100 yards with it using hand loaded precision ammo. It is an outstanding varmint rifle and is lethal on antelope. It is on the light side for deer but is deadly out to 300 yards. I would not use it in heavy brush because of bullet deflection but in the open country it is borderlikne unsportsmanlike because it is so deadly. I will be using one for antelope in a couple of weeks (along with my 25-06). A 30-06 in Rem 700 is about as all purpose a rifle as you can get on the North American continent. I just prefer lighter bullets for most hunting in North America and therefore I use a 25-06. A .270 is another very good all around rifle. If you want a bolt rifle, the Rem 700 is a good choice as is the Tika T3.
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Your choices are autoloading rifles and, though both HK and Steyr are fine choices, they potential for affordable accessorization (should that be a consideration) is limited compared to the AR-15 variants, for which a great spectrum of aftermarket products are available.
If more precise shooting is also your intent, the autoloaders will provide very serviceable accuracy but I agree with the recommendation for a bolt action rifle for greater accuracy potential. The Remington Model 700 with the heavier "Varmint" contour is certainly an excellent choice, and there are others makes and models as well.
If you handload (or intend to) the .223 will provide you with more affordable practice and lower cost for components...more "bang for the buck".
You mention you intend to start hunting, but you didn't say whether your quarry is small game or medium game. That decision will affect others, as the .308 cartridge moves to the forefront of your two choices in either the autoloader or bolt action rifles.
For the precision rifle to practice i would look at a Reminton Model 700 or a Savage model 12 in either .223 or .308. I have a 700 in .308 and a savage model 12 in .223. I absolutely love both of them. I shoot them both up to 500 yard religiously and have had no problems, other than finding the right ammo. But the .223 and .308 are cheap to shoot so you can shoot more often and they have low recoil to help you practice your form and not get beat up in the process. i would highly recommend putting some good glass on top of 'em thoght.
thanks for the info, would it be possible to hunt with 30-06? or is that big game as far as elk, and moose? im mostly thinking about starting off with small game and then work my way up. What i'd like to do is find one rifle that would be good with small - medium game so that i can cut down on weight, ammo, and money
I use a 30-06 quite a bit from whitetail deer to coyotes and such. If your gonna be re-loading and cuting down on bullet weight and powder you should be ok. The 30-06 has been a proven cal. for a long time, and alot of people still use them today. For the small game depending on what the critter is you might want to look into something a little smaller. Maybe a 223 or 22-250. Both great rounds and not crazy expensive and they are good for long range shots also.
You might consider a varminter class AR15. I have a Bushmaster Varminter... they have 24 inch heavy barrels and are capable of very high accuracy. I usually beat most Remington 700s at the range. I shoot quarter to half inch groups at 100 yards with it using hand loaded precision ammo. It is an outstanding varmint rifle and is lethal on antelope. It is on the light side for deer but is deadly out to 300 yards. I would not use it in heavy brush because of bullet deflection but in the open country it is borderlikne unsportsmanlike because it is so deadly. I will be using one for antelope in a couple of weeks (along with my 25-06). A 30-06 in Rem 700 is about as all purpose a rifle as you can get on the North American continent. I just prefer lighter bullets for most hunting in North America and therefore I use a 25-06. A .270 is another very good all around rifle. If you want a bolt rifle, the Rem 700 is a good choice as is the Tika T3.
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