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These four items rise to the top of a Chris Christie resume:
1. Pro assault weapons ban.
2. Pro "gay" marriage.
3. Pro "Global Warming".
4. Pro immigration reform.
ie: "blanket amnesty"
Wouldn't get my vote given that is true. I've moved towards Herman Cain.
I'm still hangin' with Perry at this point.
I know he's not YOUR favorite Sayfu, and that's okay. Just remember, there is NO "perfect" candidate. They ALL have flaws!
You also need to remember about Cain--- he's just as short on political experience as he is long on business experience. Just food for thought!
BTW, I do like Cain. Just hasn't impressed me enough to get my vote yet.
...but then again, Nov 2012 is still over a year away. Lot's can happen 'twixt now and then!!!
At this point, about all I can tell you is who I "won't" vote for in no particular order, except for No. 1!!! LOL!!!
Who I will vote for at this point:
STILL, Nov '12 is a long way off!
Yes, we will have to see because I can change my mind again on a candidate. I'm not sure how much political experience counts. I am not discouraged at all that Cain didn't have a solid answer on an international affairs question...few do have that experience. But Cain did say what I like, and that is he would strongly consider the advice of the folks that have the experience, such as the generals on the ground when asked about the war. The key for me is someone that surrounds themselves with good people, and is a good listener. Cain is a good listener. Don't know why you wouldn't vote for Romney. The guy would be a strong President, and surround himself with strong folks. I don't see him soft on anything at this point in time, or would he stand for something I wouldn't be for...I don't think. Taxes. healthcare, defense?..all what a conservative would be for I think.
And Bubba...tell me that if Romney were the candidate you'd stick to your commitment not to vote for him?...OH, you did say you wouldn't vote for Obama didn't you. Probably plan that boat excursion trip up the coast next Nov.
I just don't think Romney is THAT strong, Sayfu. I'm not even bringing up the flip/flop. Yeah, I know he was a Govenor. It's just a gut feeling.
I have a feeling you're trying to push a point, and that's okay.
If Romney were the GOP nominee, I probably would vote for him, but not before checking to see what other names were on the ticket first.
Of course, I "WILL NOT" vote for Obabble! Even if I have to mark the ballot "No Contest"!! LOL!!!
I'm also aware that a vote for any candidate beside the GOP is a vote for Obabble (remember the Clinton/Pee-rot debacle!?), but that's just a chance I'll have to consider at the poll!
Excursion up the coast? Hopefully in July and August. Nothing short of death will keep me from voting in '12!!
Bubba...I'm not that worried about some flops in that he has come across as a guy that "tried that, bad decision, didn't work" type of thing, and I admire that. Like he said, if you are a good business executive, you had better be flexible, and change with the times, and not be stuck in your ways. I am a team player, and would bet on Romney to put together a strong team, and listen to them...that is my overwhelming theme. I know how well, a strong team can perform. Perry?...seems to be quite hard headed, and stuck in his ways, and might turn down good advice, but maybe not. The worst team ever assembled is the one Obama put together. I'd like to see them lined up again, a picture tacken and the bio on these worthless socialists...incredibly destructive, and incompetent.
Quote Thomas Sowell::
"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
As I view socialism, it is a system that the group in power can maintain power by continuing to massively spend the private sector tax receipts, and create dependents that continue to vote you in power. That comes to and end like it has in Europe, when the economy hits the skids. It is very much like Bernie Madoff, who would still be spending other people's money, and be considered a success had it not been for the economy hitting the skids...markers were called in, and Bernie was exposed just like Obama and the Hoski/rat left are being exposed.
Just clarification for the uninformed, Harry Markopolos is the man who exposed Madoff.
Markopolos, A quantitative financial specialist by profession and a self-confessed math gee, spent years trying repeatedly to inform of Madoff’s Ponzi scheme. He approached the securities and exchange commission (SEC) as early as 2001. He contacted politicians and badgered journalists to write about Madoff, succeeding in getting a couple of business magazines to publish sceptical stories. In a coup de grace, he even presented the SEC with a detailed dossier in 2005 bluntly entitled The World's Largest Hedge Fund is a Fraud.
With Perry's support of educating the children of illegals it's obvious you've changed your mind on the Dream Act.
Given your past vehemence against it, may I ask what changed your mind?
Nothing. I'm still anti-Dream Act.
Rick Perry wanting to allow the children of illegals to attend college at "in-state" tuition rates IS NOT the Dream Act.
The Dream Act should never be anything BUT just that, a "dream".
Instate rates Bubba? NO, he wanted to provide them FREEEE college education. Rick S., the candidate exposed Perry on that one. Rick said, "Perry, you wanted to give them free education, not just an opportunity. Have them borrow money, and pay it back just like Texas citizens have to do."
Hoski...good informative post. And an interesting fact about Madoff, was he was a LIBERAL! HE scammed a lot of his liberal, rich Jewish friends.
somethin about liberals and their morals.
Awww Bubba, that's OK, you're allowed to show your humane side, I don't think anyone will show up and take your GOP card for agreeing with ol' Rick about using tax payer funds to educate the little ninos & ninas.
Remember, you set the rules...My advocating negotiations between Israel and Palestine = supporting terrorists.
Your oft declared support of Perry = support for the Dream Act, as they are practically one and the same.
Why, pretty soon you'll be on the campaign trail knocking on doors for Obama.
BTW, how do you think ol' Rick is going to convince any African American-black-negro (your choice) citizens to vote for him now that it's public knowledge that his longtime hunting camp went by the name "N_____Head" as reported by the Washington Post?
Some of Christie’s views:
In late April of 2008, at a church forum sponsored by the local chapter of the Latino Leadership Alliance of New Jersey, Mr. Christie assured his audience that illegal immigrants were not really here illegally, but were simply “undocumented.”
“Being in this country without proper documentation is not a crime,” Christie told more than 60 residents and town officials. “The whole phrase of ‘illegal immigrant’ connotes that the person, by just being here, is committing a crime.”
“Don’t let people make you believe that that’s a crime that the U.S. Attorney’s Office should be doing something about,” he added of entering the country illegally. “It is not.”
Mr. Christie strongly supported the assault weapons ban enacted during the Clinton administration. In a campaign flyer circulated during his 1995 campaign, he attacked his opponents’ support for repealing the ban:
As the gubernatorial campaign commenced in June last year, Michael Symons of the Asbury Park Press reported that:
Chris Christie supports the assault weapons ban and all current gun laws. He opposes attempts to permit conceal and carry laws in New Jersey - hardly the NRA position.
In an October 27 interview with Sean Hannity, Gov. Christie admitted that he favors gun control.
Christie: We have a densely populated state and there’s a big handgun problem in New Jersey. Now, I don’t support all the things that the governor supports, by a long stretch. But on certain gun control issues, looking at it from a law enforcement perspective, seeing how many police officers were killed — we have an illegal gun problem in New Jersey.
Hannity: Should every citizen in your state be allowed to get a licensed weapon if they want one?
Christie: In New Jersey, that’s not going to happen, Sean.
Christie: Listen, with the Democratic Legislature that we have, there is no way those type of things -
Hannity: Would you support it.”
Christie: Listen, at the end of the day, what I support are common sense laws that will allow people to protect themselves. But I also am very concerned about the safety of our police officers on the streets. Very concerned. And I want to make sure that we don’t have an abundance of guns out there.
Probably not a ringing endorsment of the 2nd Amendment.
Yeah well, the dang spam filter has got me.
If you're interested in seeing the source of the above info, just type Christie assault weapon ban into your browser...click on the New Jersey Conservator site to view the myths about the GOP's flavor of the week.
I don't think much of Perry or Christie for all the reasons Hoski has listed. We don't need another Bush, McCain or Dole. I have been sold on Herman Cain for some time now, he is the complete package. A liberal friend of mine was arguing in defense of career politicians, he compared them to trusting your child to ride on a bus with an untrained driver. I will take an untrained politician over an experienced politician every time.
Cain came from a poor family, grew up and made it all the way to CEO of a major company. He was promoted on his merits, integrity and his ability to make stuff happen. He doesn't need to be a seasoned politician, he needs to surround himself with people that can guide him through the politics and protocol. Hopefully he will get someone that won't advise giving DVDs and iPods out as gifts to Queens and Prime Ministers. Let's not forget about bowing to the Burger King, that should be a no no.
I agree with your post right upto the crack about bowing.
That's just silly.
Just because Obama chooses to show respect for foriegn leaders doesn't equal subjucation. The days of swaggering with the six shooter strapped on and expecting the rest of the world to kiss the ring of an American President are over.
On a different note, I like Cain's thoughts on taxes and what impressed me the most was during one debate he was asked a question and responded honestly by stating he didn't know enough about a subject to give an opinion. Next debate he was asked a follow up regarding the issue and he had educated himslf enough to have formed an opinion.
Honesty...a very refreshing attribute from a politician.
I think we agree on Cain for the most part, although the bowing thing is going to be one of Obama's albatrosses. I hope he can override all the publicity that Romney and Perry are getting and break out soon. The media is powerful and it appears they have chosen who they will spend their time and effort on. The last thing they want to do is pit a conservative black man against a left wing black man, God forbid a real choice is presented.
The media is looking for an echo not a distinct choice.
I just don't hear that much critisism about the bowing thing. Most everyone I know mostly view it as a customary thing, not as prostrating America before foriegn dignitaries.
Remember the photos of US Presidents holding hands with Saudi Kings and Princes? Nobody here thought our presidents had suddenly turned gay, just a customary thing in that part of the world.
No big deal.
Most every GOP candidate can dispel any earlier support for anything they gave by coming across as a conservative. This country desperately needs a conservative President, and CONGRESS. We will get the congress. But if negatives are the focus, Obama has a garbage dump full of negatives. From his background, to the folks he surrounded himself with, to the policies he supported, and now to the corruption that surfaces anew all the time. This Solyndra corruption case will be around till the elections.
I think Romney has the chops, he has an expansive view on abortion, he'll take away your black guns, and lots of experience with the exact same health care program as will be enacted in 2014.
Hoski holding hands is nothing, what I liked was the two plane loads of Saudi nationals shipped out the week after 9/11. That's when having friends in high places really paid off.
Ironic this should come up. I was just talking to a local republican leader yesterday and he said about the same thing about Christie, almost as liberal as Obama. He also says that Bachman should be avoided as she has no people skills and has trouble keeping staff, too volatile and short tempered. I'm looking closer at Cain, backing away a bit from Perry because of the illegal immigrant issues. Romney concerns me a bit too because I understand he's got a strong anti-2nd amendment background and then the health care thing. I won't vote for Obama, but the republican field has a lot of work to do over the next year if they want to reclaim the White House.
rat..."holding hands"..nothing to you, because you hold Hoski's gland, err, hand all the time!
You are full of bold faced lies today...Romney would not take away proper gun ownership. Romney WOULD reject ObamaCare.
Sayfu, every time I hear something like "proper gun control", it worries me. What exactly is proper and by whose definition? Yours? Mine? Chuck Schumer's? That's dangerous and murky waters there.
What worries me is the NRA, placing a bald headed Marxist lookin dude front and center, and stands up for these rapid fire UZZI arms. All I can see is Al Queda going through their exercises. And I am a gun owner, and hunter. And I also know the numbers, the stats you could quote. But it has to scare the bejesus out of the general voting public most of whom do not own guns. And the present NRA head does have hair, I know. Too many kooks out in the community today, some of them on this thread.
Obama bowing to a foreign prince is not something just to shrug off and ignore, the President is the representation of our country, would we ever dip our colors to a foreign nation? No! How dumb does somebody have to be to not know you don't bow to foreign leaders? I won't go any further, something to think about...
I am all for customs and courtesies, nothing wrong with that. When he bowed to all those people, he showed weakness, he let them be more powerful than him, the leader of the free world. In those settings, they were to appear as equals. He reminded me of a dog that flops over and shows his belly when another dog walks into the room. These are my perceptions of course, unfortunately for our president they aren't that much different than a lot of other Americans who saw what I saw.
Phlyzor you have to remember that what you saw was what a propaganda machine wanted you to see. I'd say they were fairly successful but you aren't the first.
What I always wonder when I hear from someone who is obviously manipulated by propaganda is why do you fall for it. I've heard that the best propaganda is the kind that tells people what they already wish to be true.
On one hand we have the first President to get a Peace Prize before he's ever started his term, one whose popularity throughout the world is at amazing highs. A president who has adroitly managed the end of relations with two or three of the Middle Easts more brutal dictators and supported their opponents such that we've had regime change without US ground troops.
Yet we have a moderately educated and informed adult talking of bowing and ring kissing on an internet forum.
Where does that come from I have to ask myself.
Who you talkin about Rat? My GAWD!...Osama Bin Ladin was a good candidate for the Peace Prize you moron! IN a major poll out today, A GENERIC REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE beats Obama in the election 47-41 % Now that's an arsekickin, and it is going to get worse for Obama as we move on. Somehow, the mood of the country has eluded you. Get off that Move.ON.Org site, go out side, and look around.
You're interested in theatrics...they mean nothing.
Real power need not be displayed, or flaunted.
It's called confidence.
So tell me, which leader that Obama "bowed" to is it we showed weakness to? And do you really believe the rest of the world interperates his showing of courtesy as weakness...as if we're now vulnerable?
Very astute, well put, especially concerning the so called Arab Spring...without US troops.
We need to remember some folks can't think past what's printed on bumper stickers...sad.
Rock Rat? Astute? I think you have a speech problem. You meant a stoop.
And Christie is another guy with a lot of money raising power that is far better served by the GOP to not run, and help other conservative candidates win elections.
Yeah, Homaski. Well, I figured a statement like that it would leave a warm stream trickling down your pants leg!!! LOL!!! Sure enough!!!
I still don't like the Dream Act and still don't like Perry's "in state" tuition deal either. But it doesn't make him the lesser of any of the other candidates at this point. Who ever decides to step in between now and Nov might make a difference.
Right now, I'm still standing by Perry!
He certainly needs all the help you can give.
Racist hunting camp.
Free education for illegals.
easy on immigration.
Are you sure he's GOP?
Oh, and let's not forget how much he loves spending Federal dollars, seems he can't balance a budget without it.
So what is your proposed method of balancing state budgets when the big centralized govt liberals oversee the economy, and destroy jobs, and business? You think state's operate in a vacumm unaffected by socialists in WA?? Still haven't opened that ECON 101 book I see.
No he wasn't bowing, he was playing peek-a-boo with someone behind him through his knees. I just watched the you tube video twice. That spanish speaking news station must really have it in for Obama to fake a bow to the Saudi King. To be a true Obama groveling lib you must believe your ears before you believe what you just saw, I understand that but it still makes me laugh to see the Obama spin machine hard at work in a Field and Stream blog site.
It means nothing to you Hoski because you have already forgiven Barry for any future eff-ups that he will ultimately have. I understand that too but you and your plague ridden friend are deeply engaged in your projection politics.
I didn't mean for the bowing thing to be a big deal, he did it a few times, he has already been judged as a weenie and we have moved on. Let's not forget when this whole bowing thing was happening our commander in chief was in full apology mode and taking his show around the world for all to see and hear. Was he bowing to show weakness? I don't think so. I think he was out there to show the world that the US was not the dominant superpower of the world any more and that Obama with his beautiful girly wrists was not John Wayne, a new era so to speak. That is what he intended to show everyone but instead he put the blood in the water and the sharks are circling.
Obama got the peace prize for what they though he would do and instead he bombed the snot out of Libya. Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
I wonder if they will stop payment on that check! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
show the world that the US was not the dominant superpower of the world any more???
Tell me, just who believes that? And how are we being taken advantage off because of it?
Prove it...dispute any figure I've posted about govt. spending, affordable healthcare act, etc. or go watch a movie, you seem to enjoy fantacy.
My GAWD HOSKI...Obama went out of his way to apologize for USA actions of the past. It's the European model thing. Obama and the left copied their economic model, and we are in the same disastrous debt situation. Europe is dealing with their socialist governance problem. Obama wants to continue ours. No international leader respects Obama around the world. Obama has trashed the international currency. They hold dollars. Why would they respect the guy?
You act as though you are puzzled about President O-blah-blah. He is the one who said he was worried about using the word victory in Afghanistan. He didn't want to create an image like Emperor Hirohito signing the surrender to MacArthur. Hmmm, is Obama rewriting history here is stupid? I'm sure you have forgiven him for that one even if you hadn't heard it yet.
Have you seen what Iran, Russia and Venezuela have been up to? Iran an Venezuela are now planning a joint military missile base. The sharks are circling Hoski.
I have told you what projection politics are twice now and it has nothing with disputing your numbers. Democrats like to call the Republicans racist. But the racism is seated securely in the Democrat party. One example of this would be school choice, Republicans like school vouchers, Democrats would rather see poor kids in poor neighborhoods stay in their crappy school district because if they all took their vouchers and went to the good private schools the crappy poor schools would close and all those crappy union dues paying teachers would lose their jobs. So it is more important for the crappy union teachers to keep their jobs than it is for the kids to get an education. As it turns out most of these kids are minorities. So, Democrats PROJECT their racism onto the Republicans and the media then takes it from there to make it the truth by repeating it over and over again.
Those crappy union teachers, who I worked with until recently, had better consider where their union dues are going, and what they are doing for them.
Jobs lost, bigger classes, more work load..not a fun work environment, and a lot of disgruntled teachers..I quit, bad for everyone involved. Like I have tried to pound into the Hoski/rats on this thread. Fessup to where the funding comes from. Union members are supporting their own destruction.
Racism securely seated in the Democratic Party?
Ever hear of the nationally recognized school program in Wake Co. N. Carolina? Are you aware of which party started that?
Care to take a guess which party know wants to dismantle this highly productive policy, where testing scores have dramatically risen?
Russia and Venezuala who? Quit it, you're making me laugh!
Tell ya what, you should go back to concentrating on how many basketball brackets and rounds of golf the President plays...at least you're good at that.
After you educate yourself concerning what's going on in N. Carolina, do a little reading on the civil rights movement that resulted in President Johnson signing the Civil Rights Act...what political party was he again?
Racism is securely seated in the dem. party..Who started whatever is irrelevant to what party plays the race card. When all your policies have failed, your ideology is a total failure, how do you spur your base to continue their support? Race card, rich people are screwin you, Tea Partiers that want limited govt. and lower taxes are violent, racist folks, and on, and on. Very obvious which party is racist. And very obvious, as phlyzor says, you are a socialist.
Did you happen to see/hear the recent Lawrence O'Donnell interview with Herman Cain? He all but said that Herman wasn't black enough to be black. The left has to drag race into everything to get everybody all worked up.
As I have said before, if you want to see where the racism is, go to the Google and type in 'bush's house negro' or 'bush's uncle tom' and see how many conservative authors of hate there are. You won't find any.
Your North Carolina story just reinforces my argument. The minority parents want to keep sending their children to the good schools because otherwise they have no choice. The Republicans you are trying to paint as racists are trying to put an end to social engineering put forth by the democrats, thus ending hour long bus rides for young children. Don't you THINK that giving out school vouchers (aka a choice)to these same parents would solve this, Mr. Projection Politics? You were awful quick in calling the newly elected Republicans in this article racists, did you even read it? I doubt it.
What I know about the Civil Rights movement is that a higher percentage of Republicans voted for it than did democrats, as I recall Algore's father voted against it and Slick Willey's mentor, J. William Fulbright, filibustered it. What the hell do you know about it?
Yes, the minority parents want to keep sending their children to better schools, but the heavily republican school board members, who were elected with financial help from Art Pope and the Koch bros. want to end the program, thereby keeping the minority children in their much under funded neighborhood schools, recieving poor education and pretty much dooming them to a life of poverty.
You are somewhat correct concerning some of the Republican party supporting the civil rights act except you're forgetting Republican Senator John Tower (Texas), who participated in the 50 some day filibuster. It's worth noting that a Democrate controlled congress finally mustered enough votes for the bill's passage, and the opponents and supporters were did so mostly by region.
The specific source of the 1964 Civil Rights Act was the President of the United States. John Kennedy began the process of gaining support for the legislation in a nationally televised address on June 11, 1963. Discouraged by the violence accompanying the Birmingham demonstrations, Kennedy urged in eloquent language that Americans take action to guarantee equal treatment of every individual, regardless of color.
The House of Representatives debated the bill for nine days and rejected nearly one hundred amendments designed to weaken the bill before passing H.R .7152 on February 10, 1964. Of the 420 members who voted, 290 supported the civil rights bill and 130 opposed it. Republicans favored the bill 138 to 34; Democrats supported it 152-96. It is interesting to note that Democrats from northern states voted overwhelmingly for the bill, 141 to 4, while Democrats from southern states voted overwhelmingly against the bill, 92 to 11. A bipartisan coalition of Republicans and northern Democrats was the key to the bill's success. This same arrangement would prove crucial later to the Senate's approval of the bill.
Mostly, what I remember was Kennady having to use the National Gaurd to force Wallace to allow students to attend college.
So you think that the republican parents, funded by the Koch brothers, want to keep the minority children out of their schools because they are racist? They care nothing about the democrat social engineering aspect of busing a child 2 hours a day so that some liberal can feel good about what they did? That would mean there are kids in good school districts being bused to bad school districts to even it all out, that makes sense to you? School vouchers lets everybody go where they want and everybody is happy, except for the crappy teachers in the crappy schools who get let go. Wouldn't you rather see a crappy teacher, with a college education, have to go find another job rather than see a bunch of children that don't get to live up their full academic potential? Pretty easy choice there for me for sure.
Nice civil rights cut and paste history lesson.
I remember Bull Connor and Robert Byrd, both democrats and both members of the KKK. Robert Byrd made a career of being reelected as a senator and Bull Connor liked to use a fire hose on black people.
I'm all for choice, please explain just how this voucher system is funded.
Thank you for the compliment on my cut/paste, you should've seen the part I left out discribing all those southern Dems who switched parties post haste after the civil rights act became law, like I said it was largely regional.
Yeah Byrd was a SOB, I think he and Jesse Helms were joined at the hip.
I saw a bumper sticker today that I had never seen before:
O-ne B-ig A-## M-istake A-merica
It makes sense,...Obese America would elect an Obese Commander-in-Chief. He's a jerk.
Vouchers are your tax dollars that you can take with you and spend at the school of your choice.
Was it the southern Dems that rounded up all those Japanese and put them into camps during WWII? No, maybe it was the southern Dems that made Martin Luther King, Jr. public enemy #1 with wire taps and such.
The funniest thing about Byrd was how all the big shot dems came out of the woodwork at his funeral to canonize him and then send him off to hell in good company with Teddy 'Waitress Sandwich' Kennedy.
You aren't talking about our late senior Senator Byrd from WV who used to be an active member of the KKK.
Thanks for explaining vouchers.
Don't know what the Japanese internment camps has to do with anything but I'm fairly confident it wasn't one particular party calling for the creation of the camps. really just guessing at that one, but keeping Pearl Harbor in mind.
Not trying to defend Byrd in any way, however I understand he did soften his views on race. I've also heard it said there was no finer mind when it came to the Constitution, allegedly he knew it forwards and backwards.
Rumor has it that he carried a copy in his pocket all the time and he referred to it quite often. According to his voting record I would say he didn't know he was supposed to honor it however.
The point being where racism lies in our society, I still contend that it resides quite comfortably on the left. You just watch now that there is a conservative black man running for president. The claws are already coming out and the media has dragged the race card out. As though race has a ding dang thing to do with the job of President of the United States, by the time 2012 rolls around the media will have the weak minded thinking, again, it has everything to do with it.
Cain is a black man that is proud of his country hopefully running against another black man that waltzed around the world bowing and scraping and apologizing for the United State ever existing before we were blessed with his metro sexual style and super duper teleprompter reading ability.
We will soon see, again, how our media will try to destroy a conservative black man like they tried with Clarence Thomas.
The only ones so far that are calling Cain a racist are liberal, Obama base Blacks.
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