What's It Worth?
I've often heard it described that based on spending that's what governments are. Even in the US where we don't do so much in the way of insuring and we do a lot in the way of arming, we still are a bigger insurance company than army.
After that a tiny portion goes for roads and Mars space colonies etc.
WTF, are you trying to say? Oh never mind it won't matter.
Way over your head huh Jere?----figures.
Maybe a few well placed "libtards" and "democraps" will suffice as a substitute for your incomprehension.
Here, allow me to assist.
As a whole, pretty much all govts. around the globe exist to promote their peoples betterment..as in relation to every other country.
What RockRat showed was compared to the rest of the civilized world we spend pathetically little on our citizens. Most goes to employ a rather large military...as in much much bigger than most of the rest of the world combined.
In contrast, we spend miniscule aounts to enrich ourselves or educate ourselves better.
What really struck me was we spend a measly 2% of GDP on science and medical research. We do a little better on our infrastructure by splurging 3%.
Need we be reminded that even considering the sums we spend on healthcare our infant mortality rate sucks, our lifespan is shorter than many other nations who spend less...and in 2012 we still hear "Government controlled Healthcare", when the truth is just the opposite.
But thanks to all the deep thinkers (jere)... we get responses like "WTF are you trying to say"?
That about what I expected but neither of you would be able to fart if your brains were gunpowder. And Paul Krugman is the worst journalist the NYT has.
I was surprised to see it but on the second to last page was the truth of matter (a Mitt Romney quote)"when everyone gets the same rewards, virtually everyone will be worse off"
I can hardly believe that academia printed such truth, although I really should be careful here, because I spent all of two minutes looking through the pdf file linked in the post above and it may very well undercut this quote more significantly elsewhere.
Oh well, I just hope America remains the home of the brave and not the Brave New World although Obama and the MSM are doing their best to accomplish what I dread most.
Although the numbers do show how little we spend on our people compared to most what struck me was that everywhere mostly spends on insuring against being poor in old age or medical need etc and a little bit for armies and all of the tons of other things amount to hardly anything.
It shows how hard it is to cut. What do we do kick grandma out onto the curb?
Bryan01,
Not to put too fine a point on it, but admitting you spent all of 2 minutes trying to digest the information provided and only picking up what a weather vane says to get elected pretty much tattles on yourself.
You and Jere related?
Atta boy Jere, way to show off that gray matter.
Who knew that the US Constitution was designed to be a insurance contract? I always thought it was designed to promote individual liberty.
Phweew...right over his head.
Labrador the purpose of the Constitution is actually laid out in this thing called the Preamble.
"in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty"
I cut out about half that wasn't relevant but you get the idea.
Don't feel bad, I heard one of those nutty senators go on about how we need to follow the constitution and how we have drifted so far from it then he quoted the first lines of the Declaration of Independence. Numbskull.
Now if I were a tea party type and not able to look beyond my nose I'd say "look right there it says Welfare, even capitalizes it" but I'm not a tea party myopic idiot, I do nuance. We no longer are a few thousand people on the far flung edges of civilization writing with quill pens.
Studying the Constitution is a great thing to do, but not through the tunnel vision of the tea party, a good high school civics book is more broadening.
A good high school civics book would have been writen in the 1950s. The general welfare that Madison and Jefferson were expecting isn't anything like the doodlysquat that we are supposed to put up with today. "We have to pass it to see what's in it". I suspect Washington et al would not believe how low we've stooped.
Amend it, don't ignore it.
The books of today are fairly similar to civics books of yore. I don't even know if most high schools teach civics anymore.
The "we have to pass it to see what's in it" myth is more propaganda and I'd recommend you stop listening to those who'd tell you fairy tales. The entire bill was posted on line for months and changed as different portions changed to accomodate obstructionists but the idea that no one knew what they were voting on until after it was passed is a tale for the willfully ignorant. Kaiser Family foundation had the whole thing in plain language on their web site in an easy to use form, They still do.
This country has a lot of problems and until we stop quoting cute sounding fibs that someone has fed us on Fox or talk radio we aren't going to get much done.
labrador12,
Not that you'll be able to, but would you mind expanding on Pelosi's unfortunate utterance and get around to tying it into the discussion of the Constitution. I guess we don't need to recall all the dumb stuff various politicians say from time to time...it's evident where your focus is.
It continually amazes me how folks bring up a founding father's name and claim to know what they'd think of our country today. So what do you think Washington's, Madison's, or Jefferson's view would be on subjects like slavery, females voting and owning property etc?
WILL NOT comprehend. Sorry .
Glad to see rat still blames Fox News when in doubt.
Things are much different now, then the early days of our country. That can not be denied. Technology, science, people, culture... etc. The great thing about the Constitution is it is a flexible document. It can be amended. It can be interpreted. But another great thing about the Constitution, is if you have a firm understanding of the document, you know when it is being trampled on. You also know when something is unConstitutional.
Hey Jere, just to keep it clear, I haven't complained about your insistent spamming to anyone except our fellow forum members.
(spammer be gone)
If I recall, you were warned by the editors awhile ago...seems you really can't teach old dogs new tricks.
Bye
Heck labrador12, we don't even have to worry about those weighty issues, let's go with something more recent, maybe you could speculate on what Messrs. Washington, Madison, Jefferson would think about corporations so vast that their potential failure could in turn trigger our nation's financial collapse. How do you think they'd view the concept of um-capitalized stock trading? What would their opinion be of throwing a couple wars while purposely de-funding the government?
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Way over your head huh Jere?----figures.
Maybe a few well placed "libtards" and "democraps" will suffice as a substitute for your incomprehension.
Here, allow me to assist.
As a whole, pretty much all govts. around the globe exist to promote their peoples betterment..as in relation to every other country.
What RockRat showed was compared to the rest of the civilized world we spend pathetically little on our citizens. Most goes to employ a rather large military...as in much much bigger than most of the rest of the world combined.
In contrast, we spend miniscule aounts to enrich ourselves or educate ourselves better.
What really struck me was we spend a measly 2% of GDP on science and medical research. We do a little better on our infrastructure by splurging 3%.
Need we be reminded that even considering the sums we spend on healthcare our infant mortality rate sucks, our lifespan is shorter than many other nations who spend less...and in 2012 we still hear "Government controlled Healthcare", when the truth is just the opposite.
But thanks to all the deep thinkers (jere)... we get responses like "WTF are you trying to say"?
I was surprised to see it but on the second to last page was the truth of matter (a Mitt Romney quote)"when everyone gets the same rewards, virtually everyone will be worse off"
I can hardly believe that academia printed such truth, although I really should be careful here, because I spent all of two minutes looking through the pdf file linked in the post above and it may very well undercut this quote more significantly elsewhere.
Oh well, I just hope America remains the home of the brave and not the Brave New World although Obama and the MSM are doing their best to accomplish what I dread most.
A good high school civics book would have been writen in the 1950s. The general welfare that Madison and Jefferson were expecting isn't anything like the doodlysquat that we are supposed to put up with today. "We have to pass it to see what's in it". I suspect Washington et al would not believe how low we've stooped.
Amend it, don't ignore it.
Glad to see rat still blames Fox News when in doubt.
Things are much different now, then the early days of our country. That can not be denied. Technology, science, people, culture... etc. The great thing about the Constitution is it is a flexible document. It can be amended. It can be interpreted. But another great thing about the Constitution, is if you have a firm understanding of the document, you know when it is being trampled on. You also know when something is unConstitutional.
Hey Jere, just to keep it clear, I haven't complained about your insistent spamming to anyone except our fellow forum members.
(spammer be gone)
If I recall, you were warned by the editors awhile ago...seems you really can't teach old dogs new tricks.
Bye
Heck labrador12, we don't even have to worry about those weighty issues, let's go with something more recent, maybe you could speculate on what Messrs. Washington, Madison, Jefferson would think about corporations so vast that their potential failure could in turn trigger our nation's financial collapse. How do you think they'd view the concept of um-capitalized stock trading? What would their opinion be of throwing a couple wars while purposely de-funding the government?
WTF, are you trying to say? Oh never mind it won't matter.
That about what I expected but neither of you would be able to fart if your brains were gunpowder. And Paul Krugman is the worst journalist the NYT has.
Although the numbers do show how little we spend on our people compared to most what struck me was that everywhere mostly spends on insuring against being poor in old age or medical need etc and a little bit for armies and all of the tons of other things amount to hardly anything.
It shows how hard it is to cut. What do we do kick grandma out onto the curb?
Bryan01,
Not to put too fine a point on it, but admitting you spent all of 2 minutes trying to digest the information provided and only picking up what a weather vane says to get elected pretty much tattles on yourself.
You and Jere related?
Atta boy Jere, way to show off that gray matter.
Who knew that the US Constitution was designed to be a insurance contract? I always thought it was designed to promote individual liberty.
Phweew...right over his head.
The books of today are fairly similar to civics books of yore. I don't even know if most high schools teach civics anymore.
The "we have to pass it to see what's in it" myth is more propaganda and I'd recommend you stop listening to those who'd tell you fairy tales. The entire bill was posted on line for months and changed as different portions changed to accomodate obstructionists but the idea that no one knew what they were voting on until after it was passed is a tale for the willfully ignorant. Kaiser Family foundation had the whole thing in plain language on their web site in an easy to use form, They still do.
This country has a lot of problems and until we stop quoting cute sounding fibs that someone has fed us on Fox or talk radio we aren't going to get much done.
labrador12,
Not that you'll be able to, but would you mind expanding on Pelosi's unfortunate utterance and get around to tying it into the discussion of the Constitution. I guess we don't need to recall all the dumb stuff various politicians say from time to time...it's evident where your focus is.
It continually amazes me how folks bring up a founding father's name and claim to know what they'd think of our country today. So what do you think Washington's, Madison's, or Jefferson's view would be on subjects like slavery, females voting and owning property etc?
WILL NOT comprehend. Sorry .
Labrador the purpose of the Constitution is actually laid out in this thing called the Preamble.
"in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty"
I cut out about half that wasn't relevant but you get the idea.
Don't feel bad, I heard one of those nutty senators go on about how we need to follow the constitution and how we have drifted so far from it then he quoted the first lines of the Declaration of Independence. Numbskull.
Now if I were a tea party type and not able to look beyond my nose I'd say "look right there it says Welfare, even capitalizes it" but I'm not a tea party myopic idiot, I do nuance. We no longer are a few thousand people on the far flung edges of civilization writing with quill pens.
Studying the Constitution is a great thing to do, but not through the tunnel vision of the tea party, a good high school civics book is more broadening.
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