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Big Game Hunting

Muzzleloading Technology Gone Too Far

Uploaded on September 14, 2011

Muzzleloaders nowadays can shoot fairly accurately up to 150 yards. Does this make this weapon a primitive weapon? With this kind of range, should they be able to hunt elk in the rut? Is this taking alot of the sport of the hunt out of the game and is it fair chase when you can call in an elk and shoot them at 150 yards. What do you all think about this? Musket ball, powder and patch...that's what muzzleloading means to me.

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from Sarge01 wrote 36 weeks 2 days ago

Evolution of the muzzleloader is about the same as the evolution of the bow and arrow. Today's bow looks nothing like the long bow the American Indian used. Every person has to decide in their own mind just how far they want to go with their primitive sport. I used to say I would not shoot an inline muzzleloader but now I shoot one with a 3X9X40 scope on it and love it. It is still hunting to me and I enjoy it and that is what matters to me.

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from CoBowHunter wrote 36 weeks 2 days ago

Sarge01: You make a good point. I just bought the Bear Carnage Compound bow that shoots 345 fps. Bows have come a long way.

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from 007 wrote 36 weeks 1 day ago

I know I'm being hypocritical here since I shoot a compound bow but I think as muzzle loaders get too advanced, they're no longer a primitive, short range weapon as the season seems to intend, so why not allow modern breechloaders as well when Savage offers a M/L that apparently gives little ground to them? This is not an "I don't agree or approve so they should be banned" rant, I just choose not to partake and will stick with my flintlock. Sarge, on a seperate note, we're having a hunter safety organizational meeting Monday evening and will be holding class at the rod & gun club on the 24th & 25th. Thanks for helping to get me involved and going, greatly appreciated.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 36 weeks 1 day ago

Modern inline muzzleloaders are not primitive weapons by any stretch of the imagination, as are modern bows, but have their place in hunting. Various states have a different basis for muzzleloader seasons; some safety, some "primitive". Hunt with whatever is legal and push the state to change what you do not agree with!

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from Sarge01 wrote 36 weeks 1 day ago

007,
My class is the 24th and th 25th also.

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from Sarge01 wrote 36 weeks 53 min ago

007,
I talked to Sgt. Clark today and he told me you have 40+ for your class.

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from chuckles wrote 35 weeks 6 days ago

For me with open sights I might shoot at an elk at 75 yds but 50 is my range restriction when hunting with a muzzleloader for deer. Is it primitive? No. Do I feel like I am hunting with the equivalent of a centerfire? Definitely not.
I have eaten enough muzzleloader tags to feel like it should still be seperate season.
For me the advances in technology just mean you are more likely to make a clean kill if you take a responsible shot. The hype about long range muzzleloading is one of the biggest threats to the sport if you ask me. I fully respect you for going for the primitive route but I think the issue is hunter behavior rather than the technology.

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from 007 wrote 35 weeks 4 days ago

Wow, Sarge! That's great news! I'll be helping with that on Saturday and Sunday and then heading to the bear woods Monday thru Wednesday. Thanks again for your help in getting me involved. Trying to get some feedback on the possibility of having one on our side of the hump in 2012, not getting much back yet.

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from CoBowHunter wrote 35 weeks 11 hours ago

Based on the comments, it is a real argument. I know I could have shot two bull this last weekend, which were at 100 yards if I had a muzzleloader.

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from Sarge01 wrote 36 weeks 2 days ago

Evolution of the muzzleloader is about the same as the evolution of the bow and arrow. Today's bow looks nothing like the long bow the American Indian used. Every person has to decide in their own mind just how far they want to go with their primitive sport. I used to say I would not shoot an inline muzzleloader but now I shoot one with a 3X9X40 scope on it and love it. It is still hunting to me and I enjoy it and that is what matters to me.

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from CoBowHunter wrote 36 weeks 2 days ago

Sarge01: You make a good point. I just bought the Bear Carnage Compound bow that shoots 345 fps. Bows have come a long way.

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from 007 wrote 36 weeks 1 day ago

I know I'm being hypocritical here since I shoot a compound bow but I think as muzzle loaders get too advanced, they're no longer a primitive, short range weapon as the season seems to intend, so why not allow modern breechloaders as well when Savage offers a M/L that apparently gives little ground to them? This is not an "I don't agree or approve so they should be banned" rant, I just choose not to partake and will stick with my flintlock. Sarge, on a seperate note, we're having a hunter safety organizational meeting Monday evening and will be holding class at the rod & gun club on the 24th & 25th. Thanks for helping to get me involved and going, greatly appreciated.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 36 weeks 1 day ago

Modern inline muzzleloaders are not primitive weapons by any stretch of the imagination, as are modern bows, but have their place in hunting. Various states have a different basis for muzzleloader seasons; some safety, some "primitive". Hunt with whatever is legal and push the state to change what you do not agree with!

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from chuckles wrote 35 weeks 6 days ago

For me with open sights I might shoot at an elk at 75 yds but 50 is my range restriction when hunting with a muzzleloader for deer. Is it primitive? No. Do I feel like I am hunting with the equivalent of a centerfire? Definitely not.
I have eaten enough muzzleloader tags to feel like it should still be seperate season.
For me the advances in technology just mean you are more likely to make a clean kill if you take a responsible shot. The hype about long range muzzleloading is one of the biggest threats to the sport if you ask me. I fully respect you for going for the primitive route but I think the issue is hunter behavior rather than the technology.

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from Sarge01 wrote 36 weeks 1 day ago

007,
My class is the 24th and th 25th also.

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from Sarge01 wrote 36 weeks 53 min ago

007,
I talked to Sgt. Clark today and he told me you have 40+ for your class.

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from 007 wrote 35 weeks 4 days ago

Wow, Sarge! That's great news! I'll be helping with that on Saturday and Sunday and then heading to the bear woods Monday thru Wednesday. Thanks again for your help in getting me involved. Trying to get some feedback on the possibility of having one on our side of the hump in 2012, not getting much back yet.

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from CoBowHunter wrote 35 weeks 11 hours ago

Based on the comments, it is a real argument. I know I could have shot two bull this last weekend, which were at 100 yards if I had a muzzleloader.

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