Bird Hunting
I've been thinking about getting a good upland bird dog, but I have a few requirements. I prefer medium-size dogs. I have a 1-year old daughter, so I need a dog that is good with small children as well. I live in Arizona, so prett much the only birds I can hunt with a dog are quail. I've heard Brittanys are a great choice for these qualities, but I'm wondering what you all think? Would you recommend, or do you have another breed I should also consider?
I have had 5 Brittanys, every dog was great with children and very people friendly. Brittanys are fast learners and as a friend whom also has had several Brittanys says, "Brittanys almost train themselves". I have never had to be harsh with any of my Brittanys, a stern talk to makes them cower so there is no need to be harsh. If well trained they won't leave the yard, but as with all bird dogs, they need lots of exercise, every day is best. I now have a three year old Brittany and a 10 week old German Wire Haired Pointer. The Wire Haired definately seems more head strong than any of my Brittany pups. She will be a challenge compared to my Brittanys, but I'm sure it will be a fine versatile dog as my nephew's past 6 Wire Hairs have been. Although Brittanys naturally try to please, I had a female that was a little stubborn at times but never defiant. They also can be a little hyper at times, but this gives them a lot of hunting drive. In two seasons, my present Brittany has pointed quail, grouse and pheasant. A Brittany should be a good breed choice. If you never trained a bird, seek advice from someone with experience. Also, read up on bird dog training. I still am learning every day.
*If you never trained a BIRDDOG
like i always say, you can't go wrong with a lab. especially the black ones.
arizona and qauil....a britanny isnt really what i would call a warm weather dog. i have one and she doesnt really like hunting in the heat, but that might just be her..i would look at something with a bit less fur...but other than that a britanny fits all of your requirements.
scratchgolf is right about Brittanys and heat. I had a Brittany that would break through ice to cool off in the water during winter grouse hunting. I groom my Brittany to <1" of hair during warm months,also hydrate frequently. Brittanys are a favorite for Georgia quail, it gets warm there, but not as hot as Arizona. Heat is tough on many dogs, they don't do as well as the average human.
i have a brittany and a golden and they are equally good hunting dogs but brittanys are very hyper so a golden is a better family dog. i very much recommend goldens i litterally have never lived without one
though they arent very good with heat
though they arent very good with heat
I wouldn't have a golden in Arizona. Maybe not even a lab and certainly not a black one (I have two great ones right now but we live in Canada). My French Brittany pup really doesn't have much hair except around the ears. Her coat is not long and the fur is fine and really rather thin on the undersides. My labs have much heavier coats. Either breed should do you and your family just fine. And if you look around you can find smaller labs. They're not all 85 lbs plus.
My old fishing buddy lives in Surprise Arizona, has a Brittany, and is set to quail hunt out in the desert this Sat. I believe is his opener. He is off the desert by 9AM as it is still too hot for him, or his dog especially. And he worries about rattlers at this time of year...he says it costs around $2,000 to have a dog treated for a snake bite. His has been trained to avoid snakes, but he still worries about it. He likes his Brittany, but it has been hard to train as a youngster...wants to range out far, but, I think he expects it to perform well this season. The dog is now about 2 yrs. old I would guess.
my brittany pup is also very hard to train but when we go hunting she has good instincts
my brittany pup is also very hard to train but when we go hunting she has good instincts
Just watched an older guy hunting our WMA planted birds site the other day, and will probably see him again this afternoon...three Brittanies all collared and locatored, and this old dude can stay up with them, and those dogs spread out and can hunt. Cover is tall, and with the collars he knows exactly where they are at, and if on point. He covers a big swath of land in little time, and if a bird is there those dogs are on it. So good they should rule the guy illegal to use 3 of them. I spent some time talking to this guy, and will watch him do his thing today more than likely.
he sounds like a hell of a hunter
Here is a huuuuuuuuuge negative I personally witnessed lately. One hunter ran 3 Brittanies, and another several English pointers. They do not hunt with their dogs! They let these dogs out of the truck, and they take off like beagles after a rabbit. They follow their dogs using electronics. The dog, or dogs could be 500 yds away! One of their dogs came my way down a tree, brush line, and flushed two roosters their collars sounding off LOUD! Not me deal. I hunt WITH my dog! I talked to a dog trainer who could only say, "different strokes for different folks." He said a good pointer could be a 1/2 mile away, and the bird hold on his point, and the guy approach the dog, and shoot the rooster...pathetic way to hunt if you ask me.
I'm with you on that, Sayfu!
My French Brittany is only seven months old and I haven't had much trouble keeping her within range. She is sensitive, like PAshooter said. However, she can't resist those bunnies if they bust out of the brush. I broke the labs and I'm sure I'll get Coral lined out on rabbits by next year. She will stop in her tracks on a runner pheasant if I holler at her ... which is more than I can do with my labs.
My older lab got nailed by a rattler a few weeks ago ... and there was frost in the air! I got off cheap. X-rays, minor surgery, antibiotics, anesthetics, steroids, and three different nights in the hospital and the damage was only $140. Just some of the perks that accompany hunting in the out-of-the-way places. When hunting in rattler country don't forget the benydril. Give a bitten dog as many as you need to keep the swelling down till you can get it to the vet.
Coral has a marvelously entertaining personality. LOTS of it. Quite talkative too. Not barking, just talking. A riot! She absolutely adores little kids. Her mother was quite a cranky dog though. That happens if they are stuck in a kennel all day.
I have a Vizsla and love it. She is the gentlest hunting dog I have ever owned. Using the shock collar on her is rare as she listens very well. They are nick named velcro dogs and with good reason - they love to be your companion. She will bark at strangers but will not bite. I do more waterfowling than anything in Oklahoma and it gets too cold for her at times. She will point and retrieve. Can be called off running after game she shouldn't. And loves kids.
A vizsla would probably be a great choice for Arizona. They are wonderful dogs both at home and in the field. I would love to have one but it's just too darned cold for them up here. Perhaps for my next dog I might consider a lab-vizsla cross. Couldn't go wrong with that mix.
My Arizona buddy hunts a Brittany around Phoenix for quail and other places as well, and had his Brittany snake broken...took a session with a guy. Don't know what they did, but my friend still waits until it cools down, and rattlers are not as prevalent.
Never heard of getting a dog "snake broken" before. That would be interesting... I've heard of several guys using Brittanies down here to hunt quail starting in October, so it's at least doable. I looked up the Vizsla breed. Good looking dogs!
Davy..Neither did I, but the session wasn't very long whatever they did. Danger I would think is it could still depend on the individual dog..like the porcupine thing. Some will never get near one again...others multi times.
Ontario,
There are goose & duck hunts here in Oklahoma that I leave my Vizsla at home. And take her to the truck to warm up often enough. Ontario - would you be willing to trade a hunt?
Sure, as long as it is publicly accessible land. I haven't had to hunt private reserves yet and if I've made it this long, can't see any reason to stop now. What are you interested in?
Hint: I still haven't shot a turkey yet.
Ontario, I want to hunt waterfowl in Canada. Its on the bucket list of things to do.
The spring turkey season run April 6th to May 6th here in Oklahoma. They are rio's where we hunt. We do all our turkey hunting on private land - no preserves - its all fair chase/free roaming birds.
We do a very limited amount of waterfowling on public land. Most of our waterfowling is done on one of two farmer's lands with exclusive access.
It's pretty much all goose hunting around here. A few ducks come to the fields but the big flocks usually come through quickly at the end of the season. Technically the season is opend into December but the birds are usually all gone by the first week in November. Goose hunting is very good here. We used to get quite a few big flocks of snow/blue geese towards the end of the season but not nearly as many in recent years. No shortage of big honkers though! The goose hunting in Manitoba is absolutely insane. Did my PhD in Winnipeg but never took the time to hunt. Sky is full of birds 24/7. Maybe next year I'll make it. I get more geese than I can possibly eat just out of town here. Farmland is limited but hunting pressure is not bad. So far anyway. Farmers are great about allowing access. They are smart enough to know that the leasing game is no good for anybody, geese included.
I grew up in Maine with both French Brittanys and Labs. None of my dogs had exceptional lines, the only quality we sought out were healthy parents with good temperament and hunting instincts. My brittany Rem was all I could have hoped for and expected as I trained him myself at 13 yrs old. He followed hand signals and whistle commands, hunted close range, and had the softest mouth I have ever seen to date. He was a smaller dog, with a medium coat. Had a hilarious personality, and it seemed could understand most of a conversation. Simply cleaning a shotgun made him quiver at the door with excitement, until you removed the barrel, then he resorted to sulking under the table with a canny sort of depression. I will say that a hot October day, hot being 72 degrees, left him with his tounge hanging even during the morning hunt. Rem roamed 27 acres without caring to leave at all. I call the French Brittany my favorite upland bird dog after hunting with three or four other breeds. But I also say that a dog is only as smart as his HANDLER.
Pray, my britt is also a French Brittany. She's a great little dog. I expect some big things out of her this fall. She hunts very well with my two black labs.
They're an awesome dog, with the temperament of a lab, the personality of a human, and the passion of a professional hunter. They themselves seem to be great "outdoorsmen". Good luck with her! What birds do you have up there? We have mainly ruffed grouse, woodcock, and a very few pheasants.
We have a lot of grouse (ruff and spruce). A few woodcock around too but not enough to warrant hunting them. I field hunt geese with the dogs early in the season. So far the labs haven't let Coral retrieve any geese but that may change this fall. Coral's dad is hell on geese I'm told. We did some partridge (grouse) hunting this fall and she worked very well. The dogs also kicked up two rooster pheasants at opposite ends of the valley here. That's the first of these birds I have seen up here. We have had an incredibly mild winter so I'm hoping there will be more this fall. At the end of October I drove back to my home state, Montana, for six weeks of upland hunting. We mostly hunted pheasants although it was a banner year for sharptails. Not many huns this past fall which is a shame. They are a great bird for breaking in pups. They have a good scent, run some, and then hold well. They're also small enough for a young dog to handle on retrieve. Check out the photos in my profile album. Enjoy.
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I have had 5 Brittanys, every dog was great with children and very people friendly. Brittanys are fast learners and as a friend whom also has had several Brittanys says, "Brittanys almost train themselves". I have never had to be harsh with any of my Brittanys, a stern talk to makes them cower so there is no need to be harsh. If well trained they won't leave the yard, but as with all bird dogs, they need lots of exercise, every day is best. I now have a three year old Brittany and a 10 week old German Wire Haired Pointer. The Wire Haired definately seems more head strong than any of my Brittany pups. She will be a challenge compared to my Brittanys, but I'm sure it will be a fine versatile dog as my nephew's past 6 Wire Hairs have been. Although Brittanys naturally try to please, I had a female that was a little stubborn at times but never defiant. They also can be a little hyper at times, but this gives them a lot of hunting drive. In two seasons, my present Brittany has pointed quail, grouse and pheasant. A Brittany should be a good breed choice. If you never trained a bird, seek advice from someone with experience. Also, read up on bird dog training. I still am learning every day.
like i always say, you can't go wrong with a lab. especially the black ones.
scratchgolf is right about Brittanys and heat. I had a Brittany that would break through ice to cool off in the water during winter grouse hunting. I groom my Brittany to <1" of hair during warm months,also hydrate frequently. Brittanys are a favorite for Georgia quail, it gets warm there, but not as hot as Arizona. Heat is tough on many dogs, they don't do as well as the average human.
arizona and qauil....a britanny isnt really what i would call a warm weather dog. i have one and she doesnt really like hunting in the heat, but that might just be her..i would look at something with a bit less fur...but other than that a britanny fits all of your requirements.
I grew up in Maine with both French Brittanys and Labs. None of my dogs had exceptional lines, the only quality we sought out were healthy parents with good temperament and hunting instincts. My brittany Rem was all I could have hoped for and expected as I trained him myself at 13 yrs old. He followed hand signals and whistle commands, hunted close range, and had the softest mouth I have ever seen to date. He was a smaller dog, with a medium coat. Had a hilarious personality, and it seemed could understand most of a conversation. Simply cleaning a shotgun made him quiver at the door with excitement, until you removed the barrel, then he resorted to sulking under the table with a canny sort of depression. I will say that a hot October day, hot being 72 degrees, left him with his tounge hanging even during the morning hunt. Rem roamed 27 acres without caring to leave at all. I call the French Brittany my favorite upland bird dog after hunting with three or four other breeds. But I also say that a dog is only as smart as his HANDLER.
I wouldn't have a golden in Arizona. Maybe not even a lab and certainly not a black one (I have two great ones right now but we live in Canada). My French Brittany pup really doesn't have much hair except around the ears. Her coat is not long and the fur is fine and really rather thin on the undersides. My labs have much heavier coats. Either breed should do you and your family just fine. And if you look around you can find smaller labs. They're not all 85 lbs plus.
I'm with you on that, Sayfu!
My French Brittany is only seven months old and I haven't had much trouble keeping her within range. She is sensitive, like PAshooter said. However, she can't resist those bunnies if they bust out of the brush. I broke the labs and I'm sure I'll get Coral lined out on rabbits by next year. She will stop in her tracks on a runner pheasant if I holler at her ... which is more than I can do with my labs.
My older lab got nailed by a rattler a few weeks ago ... and there was frost in the air! I got off cheap. X-rays, minor surgery, antibiotics, anesthetics, steroids, and three different nights in the hospital and the damage was only $140. Just some of the perks that accompany hunting in the out-of-the-way places. When hunting in rattler country don't forget the benydril. Give a bitten dog as many as you need to keep the swelling down till you can get it to the vet.
Coral has a marvelously entertaining personality. LOTS of it. Quite talkative too. Not barking, just talking. A riot! She absolutely adores little kids. Her mother was quite a cranky dog though. That happens if they are stuck in a kennel all day.
A vizsla would probably be a great choice for Arizona. They are wonderful dogs both at home and in the field. I would love to have one but it's just too darned cold for them up here. Perhaps for my next dog I might consider a lab-vizsla cross. Couldn't go wrong with that mix.
Sure, as long as it is publicly accessible land. I haven't had to hunt private reserves yet and if I've made it this long, can't see any reason to stop now. What are you interested in?
Hint: I still haven't shot a turkey yet.
It's pretty much all goose hunting around here. A few ducks come to the fields but the big flocks usually come through quickly at the end of the season. Technically the season is opend into December but the birds are usually all gone by the first week in November. Goose hunting is very good here. We used to get quite a few big flocks of snow/blue geese towards the end of the season but not nearly as many in recent years. No shortage of big honkers though! The goose hunting in Manitoba is absolutely insane. Did my PhD in Winnipeg but never took the time to hunt. Sky is full of birds 24/7. Maybe next year I'll make it. I get more geese than I can possibly eat just out of town here. Farmland is limited but hunting pressure is not bad. So far anyway. Farmers are great about allowing access. They are smart enough to know that the leasing game is no good for anybody, geese included.
Pray, my britt is also a French Brittany. She's a great little dog. I expect some big things out of her this fall. She hunts very well with my two black labs.
We have a lot of grouse (ruff and spruce). A few woodcock around too but not enough to warrant hunting them. I field hunt geese with the dogs early in the season. So far the labs haven't let Coral retrieve any geese but that may change this fall. Coral's dad is hell on geese I'm told. We did some partridge (grouse) hunting this fall and she worked very well. The dogs also kicked up two rooster pheasants at opposite ends of the valley here. That's the first of these birds I have seen up here. We have had an incredibly mild winter so I'm hoping there will be more this fall. At the end of October I drove back to my home state, Montana, for six weeks of upland hunting. We mostly hunted pheasants although it was a banner year for sharptails. Not many huns this past fall which is a shame. They are a great bird for breaking in pups. They have a good scent, run some, and then hold well. They're also small enough for a young dog to handle on retrieve. Check out the photos in my profile album. Enjoy.
My old fishing buddy lives in Surprise Arizona, has a Brittany, and is set to quail hunt out in the desert this Sat. I believe is his opener. He is off the desert by 9AM as it is still too hot for him, or his dog especially. And he worries about rattlers at this time of year...he says it costs around $2,000 to have a dog treated for a snake bite. His has been trained to avoid snakes, but he still worries about it. He likes his Brittany, but it has been hard to train as a youngster...wants to range out far, but, I think he expects it to perform well this season. The dog is now about 2 yrs. old I would guess.
Just watched an older guy hunting our WMA planted birds site the other day, and will probably see him again this afternoon...three Brittanies all collared and locatored, and this old dude can stay up with them, and those dogs spread out and can hunt. Cover is tall, and with the collars he knows exactly where they are at, and if on point. He covers a big swath of land in little time, and if a bird is there those dogs are on it. So good they should rule the guy illegal to use 3 of them. I spent some time talking to this guy, and will watch him do his thing today more than likely.
Here is a huuuuuuuuuge negative I personally witnessed lately. One hunter ran 3 Brittanies, and another several English pointers. They do not hunt with their dogs! They let these dogs out of the truck, and they take off like beagles after a rabbit. They follow their dogs using electronics. The dog, or dogs could be 500 yds away! One of their dogs came my way down a tree, brush line, and flushed two roosters their collars sounding off LOUD! Not me deal. I hunt WITH my dog! I talked to a dog trainer who could only say, "different strokes for different folks." He said a good pointer could be a 1/2 mile away, and the bird hold on his point, and the guy approach the dog, and shoot the rooster...pathetic way to hunt if you ask me.
My Arizona buddy hunts a Brittany around Phoenix for quail and other places as well, and had his Brittany snake broken...took a session with a guy. Don't know what they did, but my friend still waits until it cools down, and rattlers are not as prevalent.
Davy..Neither did I, but the session wasn't very long whatever they did. Danger I would think is it could still depend on the individual dog..like the porcupine thing. Some will never get near one again...others multi times.
*If you never trained a BIRDDOG
I have a Vizsla and love it. She is the gentlest hunting dog I have ever owned. Using the shock collar on her is rare as she listens very well. They are nick named velcro dogs and with good reason - they love to be your companion. She will bark at strangers but will not bite. I do more waterfowling than anything in Oklahoma and it gets too cold for her at times. She will point and retrieve. Can be called off running after game she shouldn't. And loves kids.
Ontario,
There are goose & duck hunts here in Oklahoma that I leave my Vizsla at home. And take her to the truck to warm up often enough. Ontario - would you be willing to trade a hunt?
Ontario, I want to hunt waterfowl in Canada. Its on the bucket list of things to do.
The spring turkey season run April 6th to May 6th here in Oklahoma. They are rio's where we hunt. We do all our turkey hunting on private land - no preserves - its all fair chase/free roaming birds.
We do a very limited amount of waterfowling on public land. Most of our waterfowling is done on one of two farmer's lands with exclusive access.
Never heard of getting a dog "snake broken" before. That would be interesting... I've heard of several guys using Brittanies down here to hunt quail starting in October, so it's at least doable. I looked up the Vizsla breed. Good looking dogs!
i have a brittany and a golden and they are equally good hunting dogs but brittanys are very hyper so a golden is a better family dog. i very much recommend goldens i litterally have never lived without one
though they arent very good with heat
though they arent very good with heat
my brittany pup is also very hard to train but when we go hunting she has good instincts
my brittany pup is also very hard to train but when we go hunting she has good instincts
he sounds like a hell of a hunter
They're an awesome dog, with the temperament of a lab, the personality of a human, and the passion of a professional hunter. They themselves seem to be great "outdoorsmen". Good luck with her! What birds do you have up there? We have mainly ruffed grouse, woodcock, and a very few pheasants.
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