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Deer Hunting

Amish, a Threat to Wildlife

Uploaded on November 24, 2011

From time to time, I hear people tell stories about how Amish are the murders of the woods. They talk about how they chase after ever deer in the woods even if it is the smallest of the herd. I really did not believe anything that people were feeding me, until now. A local Amish man recently asked to hunt on our property. We said no because we had already harvested two deer off of the 80 acres this year. My dad also told me why he said no. He said that the year before, he was shearing the guys sheep and the Amish man was heading out to go hunting. My dad then asked him how many deer he had shot so far that year. The Amish man says, 9!!!! 9 and still going for more? Seriously? Sure, you have to feed your family of God only knows how many, but really? No one on this website can tell me that there is no way in hel! that harvesting 9+ deer for one hunter is good for the deep population. The Amish see hunting as a great way to have meat. Buy some tags for about 5 to 10 dollars per deer and you have a few months of meals. Can up the meat and your good to go. I think that the way that Amish are unaware of wildlife preservation is ridicules. What do you all think.

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from whitetailfreek wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I have seen the Amish drop a whole herd of deer running a long 600 yard field. There was probably around 15-20 deer, and none of them made it across to the safety of a thicket. There might have been 3 or 4 Amishmen spaced out across the field line.

Granted they do need the meat, and they use every ounce of it, but it is a bit overkill in my opinion. They generally don't follow all the rules and regulations either from what I have seen.

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from rock rat wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Depends on what state you are in. I guess some places back east there are too many deer. Whitetails are about the size of a large rabbit aren't they?

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from Sayfu wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Amish made a heater that I bought from them, and I like it. And I like the buggies they drive...good people.

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from pbshooter1217 wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

The Amish around where my Grandma lives in Ohio aren't the strictest. They aren't supposed to use cars, but its ok for them to rent/hire someone with a van to take them to Wal Mart. My aunt said that her friend owns land bordering an Amish farm and that they asked her if they could build a shed on her property and hook up electricity to it. They also sell pies and stuff on the side of the road, but don't get your hopes up for finding any actual fruit in the pies. Then there's the story where they cut down the oldest tree in the county that was well over 100 years old. Amish in other areas might be different, but the ones I have experience with are hypocrites and try to cheat tourists.

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I think that their way of life is ridiculous. They aren't supposed to drive cars so they have others to drive them, they can't have phones so they use those of people who do, they don't pay taxes on roads but they won't get out of your way when you drive. They cheat in every way possible.

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from gumby wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

They're going straight to hell.

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from Sayfu wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Sounds like a few of here are trying to create spiritual divide. Anyone want to create class warfare as well complaining they have too much money?

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Wow! This conversation went from raising some ethical hunting issues to condemning their way of life and all of them as a people. The hunting issues sound like legit concerns, ethical issues about over harvesting and likely poaching. But, the judging and condemning crosses the line into areas of prejudice and intolerance.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

DD

Just consider the source(s).....

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from Sayfu wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Always dangerous today, and comes across as someone that wants to create divide. The Amish people have lived their quite way for many years. Attacking them, and someone saying they will all go to hell is quite asinine, and hypocritical I would say. I really made jest about liking their buggies, but did buy their heater. I don't even know them that well. We don't have Amish out here. But attack them because some drive in a car? Kooky. Sounds like somethin the rat would say.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I have Amish friends that are honest hard working people. I deer hunt in their neck of the woods (Missouri) and there are too many deer. The state allows unlimited antlerless tags in that area. If they shoot a whole herd of deer it is perfectly legal as long as they have enough tags. Some guys go hunting year after year and never seem to get anything. Perhaps there is some jealousy or envy going on here. BTW I have taken 4 deer so far and have 2 more tags to fill. As I write this there has been 2 bucks (1 big) and a doe hit by cars near my home (Kansas) in the last 3 days. Recently My cousin and yours truly took a ride in a young Amish man's horse cart. He was 23, married with 1 child and made that cart with his own hands. He also breeds Beagle hounds, Whitetailed deer and makes beautiful furniture. How many of you gents can do that?

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I'm sorry that I attacked their culture but my past experience with them has not been to positive. Del in KS, there is absolutely no jealousy going on. If I wanted to, I too could kill everything that walked in the woods but I don't because I know that it is not good for the preservation of the animals. Cripes, in my town, if you shoot more than one doe a season, you are considered an axe murder. There is plenty of deer, it's just that everyone is concerned about keeping the numbers up. There are nice Amish out there. There are also a-hole one's that go to far. Just like non-Amish, there are nice ones and there are jerks. I unfortunately, have dealt with many of the more ridiculous ones. I am not going to interfere with their way of life, I just think that they should be more educated on properly maintaining wildlife. And darn it, they need to pass driving laws for their kids driving buggies. They let their 5 year olds drive and they do not know the rules of the road and do not abide by the signs. This last year, I almost flattened some kids who ran a stop sign and pulled out in front of me. They never heard the last of what I had to say to them. I do not like the Amish way of life but I have absolutely nothing against them because they are human's just like you and me. And finally, I do not breed beagles, but I do deer hunt and make beautiful furniture, with power tools unlike the Amish. More power to them for that.

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I would also like to add that every other Sunday night, they all go to one Amish's house, and they have binge drinking parties. No joke. I have witnessed it several times.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Turkey, please stop with your gross generalizations, i.e. "they all do this, and they should do that..., nothing you say now relative to this traditional religious community is worth the digital page it'd be printed on.

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from Carney wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

The Amish are responsible for the catastrophic marketing failure of Remington's ETRONX™ product line.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Turkeytalk101,

The more you post the more ridiculous you look. Don't go away mad, just go away.

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from ja_demko wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

The ones with which I have personal experience shoot huge numbers of deer, legally, on claims of crop damage. They don't, as a group, seem to regard animals as anything but a resource to exploit. This includes their domestic animals. I've seen them treat their horses in ways that could be construed as abuse.

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from backcast wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Plenty of Amish here in NW PA. In fact, the Amish own the property where my Great-grandparents farm was. I have HEARD that the Amish will clean out the fish population in ponds and that they(some) treat their animals like we treat our cars and other junk, use 'em up and get another. However, I can't substantiate any of this. The Amish that I know personally are decent, hardworking people who are very skilled at what they do. Philosophicaly, I think there is a lot we could learn from the Amish(see the Nickel Mines shooting aftermath). And generally, their work ethic is off the charts. Remember that they are people too, and not immune to the same foibles of human nature that afflict the rest of us.

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from Sayfu wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Man, dembo, and a bunch of you are gettin after the Amish. Now do your research on our Native Americans. Talk about animal abuse. WA Hunter can surely tell you some things about the Indians in WA state. I've dealt with them on fish in WA...no fun, and their big game abuses are over the top.

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from pbshooter1217 wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Sayfu, you reporting on what the Native Americans do is just like what myself and others have reported on the Amish. Personal experience. I know I said "the ones I have experience with" and so did a few of the others. I also said they might be different else where, just like some of the others. Some of you need to get off your high horse.

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from Ol Krusty wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I just wonder what kind of gun they use, because they are not suppose to use modern amenities, do they shoot black powder or do they go down to the local store and buy some 223 shells for their AR-15?

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I bet that some do use black powder, but from the ones that I have seen, they use ordinary deer rifles. Not the new new ones but ordinary wood stock 30-30's, 30-06's, and so on.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

SAyfu

You are correct about the abuse on fish and game resources by the indian tribes in Washington State. It is atrocious at best. Like the elder poacher who shot two bull elk in a WDFW feed staion in front of a school field trip bunch of kids. I do not recall how that turned out in court. However, I do not have first hand experience with them (by choice), so I won't get wound up about it here. All are not poachers and offenders. Ifthey were, there would be nothing left. Our sport quotas just get smaller and smaller as a result of tribal hunting and fishing.

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from Sayfu wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Truth of the matter the West Coast tribes were, and are slobs. I heard that first hand from a native American, and have seen it. I've seen big net fulls of salmon pulled up on the beach on Lake Samammish, and dumped to rot by Natives. Nothing done because it was their right to do so. I've read countless times where they have slaughtered elk, pregnant cows left to die along the road, and out of season, because they didn't need them all. Then I witnessed the liberal legislature change the scientific identification of a steelhead to a salmon, so the Natives could sell them in Eastern markets..(ie) in New York lets say, there would be "Summer Salmon" on display in the meat section. Salmon sell better than steelhead, I guess. Salmon would be netted just for the roe..slit open, and the roe taken out, and the salmon left to rot...they got big money per lb selling the roe to the Japanese.

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from Rick Jaxon wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Along with my cousin, Del in Ks, I had a wonderful visit with some fine Amish gentlemen. They were brothers, 2 of 7 siblings. The elder brother was 35, had 8 children. He cuts cedar trees and makes some of the most beautiful furniture you've seen and at a fraction of what you'd buy if for in a store. I told him so and he said, "It's okay, I do fine for what I sell them for."

I don't know how they could kill many deer as they where their blue denim pants and vest and blue long sleeve dress shirt into the field with an orange hat.

Anyway, I caught myself asking any question I wanted to and receive humble, honest replies. I admit, I was a little afraid of the different and unusual. I encourage anyone with the phobia I had to meet some Amish and get to know them. They are extremely benevolent and generous and more honest than anyone I've ever met.

Give it a try!

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from Sayfu wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

What we are talking about is a culture that goes back in time, and Amish live the way folks did many decades ago. They have become modernized to some extent, in order to exist, but still retain much of their old heritage. Tough to change that, but I don't buy functioning against the law either. Folks have to change according to the laws. In the case of the Native Americans they have a 6 billion dollar Bureau of Indian Affairs loaded with lawyers just waiting to sue anyone that wants to contest the abuses that our Natives commit. Danial Inuye', the native Hawaiian congressman, and a very powerful liberal democrat that has been in congress for decades, told Washingtonians that "lay off the Natives, or I will provide them with the finest lawyers the tax payer can afford."

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from ja_demko wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I can see the reasoning that goes into Native Americans being excepted from game laws as they apply to the general population, though I don't necessarily always agree with it. The Amish with whom I have experience are, of course, legally bound to follow the same game laws as everybody else. What they do is find ways to skirt the law and get away with it. In fairness, however, I know a good many more "English" who skirt the laws in exactly the same ways.
A favorite complaint from folks around here who don't like the Amish is that "they don't have to pay any taxes." Not true. They are required to pay the same taxes as everybody else. They just avoid payment by operating, as much as possible, on a strictly cash basis and not reporting income. Given the rather austere lifestyle they lead, they don't get caught by living a more opulent lifestyle than reported income can support.

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from bass bomber wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Now Ive never met any Amish but they do run most puppy farms.

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from muzzy mulisha wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

i agree with some of you. where i live the amish are old school nebraskans.... they get land cut every tree off the property... clean out the streams and ponds and kill every deer they see... they hunt like a bunch of savages....shoot big bucks at nite with a spotlight so no else can get them...its pure greed...they always claim crop damage and most of them make a living in pallet shops.so its illg what they are doing...they have to make a portion of living off of land to claim crop damage...they shoot deer year round and raise beef to sell....its all greed they are worried someone else will get.. iwish everyone could live around here and see what goes on and the pa game comm does nothing to even check on them... you mean to tell me that if ther are 15 doe and a buck in their crops that 1 big buck is eating more then the does? no its pure greed bottom line.. here where we live the amish shot 9 big rack buck a week before season.and they raise dogs to sell not even farmers.. but in their twisted minds they have a right coz they are amish....the pa game comm needs a bug in thier ear about the amish in central pa....are seasons been out since sat and they are still shootng deer at night...and they shot all season and a week before it came in....they are likke a tribe of apache indians.......something needs done soon......

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

Very interesting muzzy muslisha. I have met honest Amish before and I have met ones who cheat the system. There is something that I don't understand. I remember asking a very wise man a question one time. I said, "why don't Amish have to pay taxes on roads?" He said, "because if there were no roads, they would still be able to navigate without them." Yet they still use them without paying for them. And gosh they never move over. Not too long ago, an Amish would not scoot over on the road for a police officer, even with his signals on. When the Amish man stopped at his house, the officer confronted him and the Amish man said that he didn't need to pull over because of the straw hat law(non-existent). The officer ended up giving him a large ticket for not pulling over.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

Oh, boy! The stereotyping and cultural/ethnic hatred sure has surfaced again!

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter, I would believe that you have no Amish around you. If you lived in a highly capacity Amish area such as I do, you would believe that they have unsafe habits and this is not stereotyping. I find it ridiculous that they allow 5 year olds (no joke) to pull large wagons by themselves when they don't even abide by stop signs. I know of many who have clobbered Amish buggies because they are dark black with no lights or reflectors at night. I find the Amish to be kind people just like anyone else. My main hate is that they live a carefree and unsafe life. Am I a little agitated about Amish? Yes. I have a close encounter with hitting them on the roads several times a year so I am uptight about them. I know that they are nice people but they are very irritating when you deal with they bad ones. I am not saying that I hate Amish and I am not stereotyping. If you were surrounded by Amish WA Mtnhunter, you would feel the same.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

TT101

Thanks for the warning. Remind me not to move to Amish country...based on your observations.

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from 007 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

TT101, if the Amish are anything like the old order Mennonites that I am familiar with, those 5 year old kids are probably driving the wagon so as to learn to help work the farm as soon as possible and then be prepared to run one of their own when they are old enough. I'm sure these folks have their warts, just like you and me, but we could also learn from them to be more self sufficient, take care of each other, be hard working, and not let all of society's ills creep into our families.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

I have heard when the Amish take to the woods it's a good day to not go hunting. I have no firsthand experience hunting with or near them. I am slightly envious of their simple life and community if not their utilitarian hunting style. I remember several years back a PA amishman shot what would be a state record buck with a bow. He was not fond of the recognition and did not allow the buck to be scored. Pretty cool.
As far as the mennoites go, they allow us to hunt their farms in pa. and are nice hardworking folk. Earlier this year when it was very wet i got my truck stuck in the roadside drainage. a mennonite farmer happend by in his black minivan, stopped to offer assistance, went back to his farm and returned in his tractor to pull me out. I handed him $40.oo happily for his trouble. He handed me $20 back, said $20 was enough.

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

What you say is true 007. They do allow the young ones to take large responsibilities in order for them to learn so they can take over their farm. My concern is that they are so young and unsupervised. Their dads practically hand them the reins and let them go without any teachings on how to follow the rules of the road. If you let a 5 year old non-Amish drive a vehicle, unsupervised or not, it would be entirely illegal even if the child went 5 miles an hour. I would consider a buggy to be a vehicle even though it goes slow. The thing about a car, is that it is more predictable than a horse in which it cannot easily be controlled. If there was supervision or learning going on it would be better.

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

The Wisconsin senate needs to pass a law that issues Amish to pass a safety course for buggy driving. They are no different than anyone else. We have safety courses for automobiles, snowmobiles, atv's, and even bikes. They even let 5 year old's drive the buggies. They do not always know the rules of the road and avoiding them is like trying to miss a pack of deer trying to cross a road. Their habits while driving can be extremely unsafe. Tonight, my parents nearly nailed a buggy after dark when the buggy ran a stoplight in front of them going 55 mph. At least once a month, I have a close encounter with one. Here in Amish country, they are just crazy on the roads. Something needs to be done to teach them proper road etiquette. I feel that it would save many lives by doing so. Any thoughts?

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from ja_demko wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

I've come close enough to killing buggies full of Amish too many times to disagree. It's their right to turn their backs on using whatever modern technologies conflict with their religious beliefs. It's just stubbornness or stupidity (or some combination of both)for them to believe they can live like the rest of us aren't using it, though. When they are on public roads, especially, they have are going to have to follow some 21st century driving etiquette or there are going to be a fair few dead people and dead horses.
Where are they even going at 2:30 in the AM in the middle of Nowhere County, PA?

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

Ha ha, here in Wisconsin too. Don't know what their doing at that hour. It would be nice if they added more identification to their buggies in the dark as well. They used to use slow moving vehicle signs, now it is a small red light that can barely be seen 1/2 mile away.

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from muzzy mulisha wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

you know what they were doing .... they were out shooting deer. just this am i was comming home from work and i about smeared a young dutch kid on a horse... pouring down rain,and bad fog he was in middle of road on a blind country turn......unreal.... ill have to get some video and post...there is these wee little dutchies that ride small minature horses and they are in this little wagon... its funny... but also there are huge dump trucks that travel this same road....its a matter of time till they get hit..... and no lie these kids are lucky if they are 5...... they are real small...these dutch are old school nebraskans.. dont know what ones you guys are talking about....we have one strappers......yellow toppers....... black toppers....mennonites....nebraskans....

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from Kenton wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

To TT101 and other anti-Amish,
Sounds like we need the Harrison Ford character from the movie Winess to visit you. I've lived around the OLD ORDER of Amish my entire life. They are, for the most part, hard working honest folks that want to live their lives according to their beliefs. Amish rules and lifestyles are vastly different in community to community. In my neck of the woods they are the true old order. Are there buggy accidents, YES, but the Amish understand the risk... Around here they have no electricity, autos, cell phones and certainly dont drink alcohol other than a very small amount of wine at church gatherings. I'd take the Amish as my neighbors over the vast majority of "English". Geeeez, live and let live....

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from Bryan01 wrote 2 years 16 weeks ago

I live around alot of Amish also and I do think that, as a whole, they are no more moral, no more hardworking and no more skilled in their craftsmanship than the typical rural American. Some of them are incredibly pious and sincere in their faith, some are downright crooked bastards. It all depends on the individual.

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from muzzy mulisha wrote 2 years 16 weeks ago

AMEN BROTHER!!! AND MERRY CHRISTMAS.....

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I have Amish friends that are honest hard working people. I deer hunt in their neck of the woods (Missouri) and there are too many deer. The state allows unlimited antlerless tags in that area. If they shoot a whole herd of deer it is perfectly legal as long as they have enough tags. Some guys go hunting year after year and never seem to get anything. Perhaps there is some jealousy or envy going on here. BTW I have taken 4 deer so far and have 2 more tags to fill. As I write this there has been 2 bucks (1 big) and a doe hit by cars near my home (Kansas) in the last 3 days. Recently My cousin and yours truly took a ride in a young Amish man's horse cart. He was 23, married with 1 child and made that cart with his own hands. He also breeds Beagle hounds, Whitetailed deer and makes beautiful furniture. How many of you gents can do that?

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from ja_demko wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

The ones with which I have personal experience shoot huge numbers of deer, legally, on claims of crop damage. They don't, as a group, seem to regard animals as anything but a resource to exploit. This includes their domestic animals. I've seen them treat their horses in ways that could be construed as abuse.

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from pbshooter1217 wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

The Amish around where my Grandma lives in Ohio aren't the strictest. They aren't supposed to use cars, but its ok for them to rent/hire someone with a van to take them to Wal Mart. My aunt said that her friend owns land bordering an Amish farm and that they asked her if they could build a shed on her property and hook up electricity to it. They also sell pies and stuff on the side of the road, but don't get your hopes up for finding any actual fruit in the pies. Then there's the story where they cut down the oldest tree in the county that was well over 100 years old. Amish in other areas might be different, but the ones I have experience with are hypocrites and try to cheat tourists.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Turkey, please stop with your gross generalizations, i.e. "they all do this, and they should do that..., nothing you say now relative to this traditional religious community is worth the digital page it'd be printed on.

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from Carney wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

The Amish are responsible for the catastrophic marketing failure of Remington's ETRONX™ product line.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Turkeytalk101,

The more you post the more ridiculous you look. Don't go away mad, just go away.

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from whitetailfreek wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I have seen the Amish drop a whole herd of deer running a long 600 yard field. There was probably around 15-20 deer, and none of them made it across to the safety of a thicket. There might have been 3 or 4 Amishmen spaced out across the field line.

Granted they do need the meat, and they use every ounce of it, but it is a bit overkill in my opinion. They generally don't follow all the rules and regulations either from what I have seen.

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from Sayfu wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Amish made a heater that I bought from them, and I like it. And I like the buggies they drive...good people.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Wow! This conversation went from raising some ethical hunting issues to condemning their way of life and all of them as a people. The hunting issues sound like legit concerns, ethical issues about over harvesting and likely poaching. But, the judging and condemning crosses the line into areas of prejudice and intolerance.

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from backcast wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Plenty of Amish here in NW PA. In fact, the Amish own the property where my Great-grandparents farm was. I have HEARD that the Amish will clean out the fish population in ponds and that they(some) treat their animals like we treat our cars and other junk, use 'em up and get another. However, I can't substantiate any of this. The Amish that I know personally are decent, hardworking people who are very skilled at what they do. Philosophicaly, I think there is a lot we could learn from the Amish(see the Nickel Mines shooting aftermath). And generally, their work ethic is off the charts. Remember that they are people too, and not immune to the same foibles of human nature that afflict the rest of us.

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I bet that some do use black powder, but from the ones that I have seen, they use ordinary deer rifles. Not the new new ones but ordinary wood stock 30-30's, 30-06's, and so on.

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from Rick Jaxon wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Along with my cousin, Del in Ks, I had a wonderful visit with some fine Amish gentlemen. They were brothers, 2 of 7 siblings. The elder brother was 35, had 8 children. He cuts cedar trees and makes some of the most beautiful furniture you've seen and at a fraction of what you'd buy if for in a store. I told him so and he said, "It's okay, I do fine for what I sell them for."

I don't know how they could kill many deer as they where their blue denim pants and vest and blue long sleeve dress shirt into the field with an orange hat.

Anyway, I caught myself asking any question I wanted to and receive humble, honest replies. I admit, I was a little afraid of the different and unusual. I encourage anyone with the phobia I had to meet some Amish and get to know them. They are extremely benevolent and generous and more honest than anyone I've ever met.

Give it a try!

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from ja_demko wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I can see the reasoning that goes into Native Americans being excepted from game laws as they apply to the general population, though I don't necessarily always agree with it. The Amish with whom I have experience are, of course, legally bound to follow the same game laws as everybody else. What they do is find ways to skirt the law and get away with it. In fairness, however, I know a good many more "English" who skirt the laws in exactly the same ways.
A favorite complaint from folks around here who don't like the Amish is that "they don't have to pay any taxes." Not true. They are required to pay the same taxes as everybody else. They just avoid payment by operating, as much as possible, on a strictly cash basis and not reporting income. Given the rather austere lifestyle they lead, they don't get caught by living a more opulent lifestyle than reported income can support.

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from muzzy mulisha wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

i agree with some of you. where i live the amish are old school nebraskans.... they get land cut every tree off the property... clean out the streams and ponds and kill every deer they see... they hunt like a bunch of savages....shoot big bucks at nite with a spotlight so no else can get them...its pure greed...they always claim crop damage and most of them make a living in pallet shops.so its illg what they are doing...they have to make a portion of living off of land to claim crop damage...they shoot deer year round and raise beef to sell....its all greed they are worried someone else will get.. iwish everyone could live around here and see what goes on and the pa game comm does nothing to even check on them... you mean to tell me that if ther are 15 doe and a buck in their crops that 1 big buck is eating more then the does? no its pure greed bottom line.. here where we live the amish shot 9 big rack buck a week before season.and they raise dogs to sell not even farmers.. but in their twisted minds they have a right coz they are amish....the pa game comm needs a bug in thier ear about the amish in central pa....are seasons been out since sat and they are still shootng deer at night...and they shot all season and a week before it came in....they are likke a tribe of apache indians.......something needs done soon......

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

TT101

Thanks for the warning. Remind me not to move to Amish country...based on your observations.

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from 007 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

TT101, if the Amish are anything like the old order Mennonites that I am familiar with, those 5 year old kids are probably driving the wagon so as to learn to help work the farm as soon as possible and then be prepared to run one of their own when they are old enough. I'm sure these folks have their warts, just like you and me, but we could also learn from them to be more self sufficient, take care of each other, be hard working, and not let all of society's ills creep into our families.

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

What you say is true 007. They do allow the young ones to take large responsibilities in order for them to learn so they can take over their farm. My concern is that they are so young and unsupervised. Their dads practically hand them the reins and let them go without any teachings on how to follow the rules of the road. If you let a 5 year old non-Amish drive a vehicle, unsupervised or not, it would be entirely illegal even if the child went 5 miles an hour. I would consider a buggy to be a vehicle even though it goes slow. The thing about a car, is that it is more predictable than a horse in which it cannot easily be controlled. If there was supervision or learning going on it would be better.

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

The Wisconsin senate needs to pass a law that issues Amish to pass a safety course for buggy driving. They are no different than anyone else. We have safety courses for automobiles, snowmobiles, atv's, and even bikes. They even let 5 year old's drive the buggies. They do not always know the rules of the road and avoiding them is like trying to miss a pack of deer trying to cross a road. Their habits while driving can be extremely unsafe. Tonight, my parents nearly nailed a buggy after dark when the buggy ran a stoplight in front of them going 55 mph. At least once a month, I have a close encounter with one. Here in Amish country, they are just crazy on the roads. Something needs to be done to teach them proper road etiquette. I feel that it would save many lives by doing so. Any thoughts?

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from ja_demko wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

I've come close enough to killing buggies full of Amish too many times to disagree. It's their right to turn their backs on using whatever modern technologies conflict with their religious beliefs. It's just stubbornness or stupidity (or some combination of both)for them to believe they can live like the rest of us aren't using it, though. When they are on public roads, especially, they have are going to have to follow some 21st century driving etiquette or there are going to be a fair few dead people and dead horses.
Where are they even going at 2:30 in the AM in the middle of Nowhere County, PA?

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

Ha ha, here in Wisconsin too. Don't know what their doing at that hour. It would be nice if they added more identification to their buggies in the dark as well. They used to use slow moving vehicle signs, now it is a small red light that can barely be seen 1/2 mile away.

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I think that their way of life is ridiculous. They aren't supposed to drive cars so they have others to drive them, they can't have phones so they use those of people who do, they don't pay taxes on roads but they won't get out of your way when you drive. They cheat in every way possible.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

DD

Just consider the source(s).....

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from Sayfu wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Man, dembo, and a bunch of you are gettin after the Amish. Now do your research on our Native Americans. Talk about animal abuse. WA Hunter can surely tell you some things about the Indians in WA state. I've dealt with them on fish in WA...no fun, and their big game abuses are over the top.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

SAyfu

You are correct about the abuse on fish and game resources by the indian tribes in Washington State. It is atrocious at best. Like the elder poacher who shot two bull elk in a WDFW feed staion in front of a school field trip bunch of kids. I do not recall how that turned out in court. However, I do not have first hand experience with them (by choice), so I won't get wound up about it here. All are not poachers and offenders. Ifthey were, there would be nothing left. Our sport quotas just get smaller and smaller as a result of tribal hunting and fishing.

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from Sayfu wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Truth of the matter the West Coast tribes were, and are slobs. I heard that first hand from a native American, and have seen it. I've seen big net fulls of salmon pulled up on the beach on Lake Samammish, and dumped to rot by Natives. Nothing done because it was their right to do so. I've read countless times where they have slaughtered elk, pregnant cows left to die along the road, and out of season, because they didn't need them all. Then I witnessed the liberal legislature change the scientific identification of a steelhead to a salmon, so the Natives could sell them in Eastern markets..(ie) in New York lets say, there would be "Summer Salmon" on display in the meat section. Salmon sell better than steelhead, I guess. Salmon would be netted just for the roe..slit open, and the roe taken out, and the salmon left to rot...they got big money per lb selling the roe to the Japanese.

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from Sayfu wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

What we are talking about is a culture that goes back in time, and Amish live the way folks did many decades ago. They have become modernized to some extent, in order to exist, but still retain much of their old heritage. Tough to change that, but I don't buy functioning against the law either. Folks have to change according to the laws. In the case of the Native Americans they have a 6 billion dollar Bureau of Indian Affairs loaded with lawyers just waiting to sue anyone that wants to contest the abuses that our Natives commit. Danial Inuye', the native Hawaiian congressman, and a very powerful liberal democrat that has been in congress for decades, told Washingtonians that "lay off the Natives, or I will provide them with the finest lawyers the tax payer can afford."

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from bass bomber wrote 2 years 19 weeks ago

Now Ive never met any Amish but they do run most puppy farms.

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

Very interesting muzzy muslisha. I have met honest Amish before and I have met ones who cheat the system. There is something that I don't understand. I remember asking a very wise man a question one time. I said, "why don't Amish have to pay taxes on roads?" He said, "because if there were no roads, they would still be able to navigate without them." Yet they still use them without paying for them. And gosh they never move over. Not too long ago, an Amish would not scoot over on the road for a police officer, even with his signals on. When the Amish man stopped at his house, the officer confronted him and the Amish man said that he didn't need to pull over because of the straw hat law(non-existent). The officer ended up giving him a large ticket for not pulling over.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

I have heard when the Amish take to the woods it's a good day to not go hunting. I have no firsthand experience hunting with or near them. I am slightly envious of their simple life and community if not their utilitarian hunting style. I remember several years back a PA amishman shot what would be a state record buck with a bow. He was not fond of the recognition and did not allow the buck to be scored. Pretty cool.
As far as the mennoites go, they allow us to hunt their farms in pa. and are nice hardworking folk. Earlier this year when it was very wet i got my truck stuck in the roadside drainage. a mennonite farmer happend by in his black minivan, stopped to offer assistance, went back to his farm and returned in his tractor to pull me out. I handed him $40.oo happily for his trouble. He handed me $20 back, said $20 was enough.

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from Bryan01 wrote 2 years 16 weeks ago

I live around alot of Amish also and I do think that, as a whole, they are no more moral, no more hardworking and no more skilled in their craftsmanship than the typical rural American. Some of them are incredibly pious and sincere in their faith, some are downright crooked bastards. It all depends on the individual.

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from gumby wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

They're going straight to hell.

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from pbshooter1217 wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Sayfu, you reporting on what the Native Americans do is just like what myself and others have reported on the Amish. Personal experience. I know I said "the ones I have experience with" and so did a few of the others. I also said they might be different else where, just like some of the others. Some of you need to get off your high horse.

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from Ol Krusty wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I just wonder what kind of gun they use, because they are not suppose to use modern amenities, do they shoot black powder or do they go down to the local store and buy some 223 shells for their AR-15?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

Oh, boy! The stereotyping and cultural/ethnic hatred sure has surfaced again!

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter, I would believe that you have no Amish around you. If you lived in a highly capacity Amish area such as I do, you would believe that they have unsafe habits and this is not stereotyping. I find it ridiculous that they allow 5 year olds (no joke) to pull large wagons by themselves when they don't even abide by stop signs. I know of many who have clobbered Amish buggies because they are dark black with no lights or reflectors at night. I find the Amish to be kind people just like anyone else. My main hate is that they live a carefree and unsafe life. Am I a little agitated about Amish? Yes. I have a close encounter with hitting them on the roads several times a year so I am uptight about them. I know that they are nice people but they are very irritating when you deal with they bad ones. I am not saying that I hate Amish and I am not stereotyping. If you were surrounded by Amish WA Mtnhunter, you would feel the same.

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from Kenton wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

To TT101 and other anti-Amish,
Sounds like we need the Harrison Ford character from the movie Winess to visit you. I've lived around the OLD ORDER of Amish my entire life. They are, for the most part, hard working honest folks that want to live their lives according to their beliefs. Amish rules and lifestyles are vastly different in community to community. In my neck of the woods they are the true old order. Are there buggy accidents, YES, but the Amish understand the risk... Around here they have no electricity, autos, cell phones and certainly dont drink alcohol other than a very small amount of wine at church gatherings. I'd take the Amish as my neighbors over the vast majority of "English". Geeeez, live and let live....

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from muzzy mulisha wrote 2 years 16 weeks ago

AMEN BROTHER!!! AND MERRY CHRISTMAS.....

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from Sayfu wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Always dangerous today, and comes across as someone that wants to create divide. The Amish people have lived their quite way for many years. Attacking them, and someone saying they will all go to hell is quite asinine, and hypocritical I would say. I really made jest about liking their buggies, but did buy their heater. I don't even know them that well. We don't have Amish out here. But attack them because some drive in a car? Kooky. Sounds like somethin the rat would say.

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I'm sorry that I attacked their culture but my past experience with them has not been to positive. Del in KS, there is absolutely no jealousy going on. If I wanted to, I too could kill everything that walked in the woods but I don't because I know that it is not good for the preservation of the animals. Cripes, in my town, if you shoot more than one doe a season, you are considered an axe murder. There is plenty of deer, it's just that everyone is concerned about keeping the numbers up. There are nice Amish out there. There are also a-hole one's that go to far. Just like non-Amish, there are nice ones and there are jerks. I unfortunately, have dealt with many of the more ridiculous ones. I am not going to interfere with their way of life, I just think that they should be more educated on properly maintaining wildlife. And darn it, they need to pass driving laws for their kids driving buggies. They let their 5 year olds drive and they do not know the rules of the road and do not abide by the signs. This last year, I almost flattened some kids who ran a stop sign and pulled out in front of me. They never heard the last of what I had to say to them. I do not like the Amish way of life but I have absolutely nothing against them because they are human's just like you and me. And finally, I do not breed beagles, but I do deer hunt and make beautiful furniture, with power tools unlike the Amish. More power to them for that.

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from muzzy mulisha wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

you know what they were doing .... they were out shooting deer. just this am i was comming home from work and i about smeared a young dutch kid on a horse... pouring down rain,and bad fog he was in middle of road on a blind country turn......unreal.... ill have to get some video and post...there is these wee little dutchies that ride small minature horses and they are in this little wagon... its funny... but also there are huge dump trucks that travel this same road....its a matter of time till they get hit..... and no lie these kids are lucky if they are 5...... they are real small...these dutch are old school nebraskans.. dont know what ones you guys are talking about....we have one strappers......yellow toppers....... black toppers....mennonites....nebraskans....

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from Sayfu wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Sounds like a few of here are trying to create spiritual divide. Anyone want to create class warfare as well complaining they have too much money?

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from Turkeytalk101 wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

I would also like to add that every other Sunday night, they all go to one Amish's house, and they have binge drinking parties. No joke. I have witnessed it several times.

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from rock rat wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Depends on what state you are in. I guess some places back east there are too many deer. Whitetails are about the size of a large rabbit aren't they?

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