Deer Hunting
Hello,
I have spent months reviewing posts, buying/hunting guides, articels, and "trying on" several deer hunting rifles. I have finally decided to purchase my first deer hunting rifle (somewhat new to hunting). In my pursuit of a deer rifle I have a few requirements:
1. Price - I'm on a budget of no more than $600 for a gun, scope, and needed accessories. I'm a student so money is tight!
2. It should be as reliable, accurate and smooth functioning as my budget allows.
3. If possible, I would like to use it for either predators down the road, or elk. But this is certainly not a necessity. I would much rather a smooth and efficient deer rifle than a dual purpose since deer (white/mule) is all I intend to hunt in the near future.
With that in mind, I have narrowed my search down to 2 guns. The Marlin XL-7 in .270 win or 30-06 (.25-06 if I opt for a dual pred/deer gun, even though .25-06 is large for preds I know, I am however strongly favoring the .270 win). Or a Savage 111 or 11 (Savages model naming system confuses me) in a similar if not the same caliber. I have played with both in several gun shops and simply cant decide. I have found the Marlin for $329 (I'll continue to look for better prices) and have been quite pleased with it overall. As far as a Savage goes, I have looked at a few model 111's and 11's and IMO they seem to be a very comparable gun to the Marlin. Since options for the XL-7 are limited only to caliber, I will specify that the Savage must have the same features for a fair comparison (ie: accutriger, synthetic stock ect.). From what I have seen, a savage similarly equiped will run $590-650.
With all this in mind, I ask you, which would you choose? The Marlin is a budget rifle and from what I have seen and read, a bargin! The Savage is a little more... for a little more. And to be honest, I like the feel and action of the Savage better than that of the Marlin. The Marlin just felt a little cheaper than the Savage
Any comments are greatly appreciated!
Thanks
You can get a Savage hunter package that comes with a scope in just about any caliber for around that price.
I'd go with the Savage, I have owned a few marlins and I'll just say a I don't own any anymore, was not impressed with them.
It sounds like you have already convinced yourself to buy the Savage. Good choice.
I just finished my first season using my new Savage .270 and wouldn't get rid of it for anything. I did buy the hunter package as mentioned above but replaced the scope with a Nikon. The scope that came on the 270 is on a .22 rifle now. You just can't beat a good scope on a good gun. I would reccomend the hunter package though as a starter and as you can afford better optics replace the scope down the road. Good luck hope you enjoy hunting as much as I do.
I'VE HAD SEVERIAL SAVAGES AND THERE A GOOD GUN.
AS FAR AS CALIBER....I'D GO WITH A .243 WSSM ITS A GREAT DEER RIFLE AND A AWESOME PREDITOR GUN.
NOT MUCH KICK, SHORT ACTION, LIGHT WEIGHT ETC. ETC.
Savage, 270, 25-06, 270 wsm, 243
I think you would be wise to choose the Savage. They have a good reputation for "out of the box" accuracy. Mine will shoot three holes touching at 200 yds. The Savage may have a somewhat stiff action, but this can be remedied by lapping it in with some Gunslick liquid graphite. As to caliber, either the .270 or .30-'06 will serve you well for deer and elk. The .25-06 is an excellent deer and varmint caliber, but in my opinion, just a little bit light for elk, especially for a novice hunter. That being said, a lot of people have killed elk with a .25-06. Shot placement is the key. Break down a shoulder, you have killed the elk, but I would go with the heavier caliber if going after an animal that weighs 800 lbs. or better, and can soak up a lot of lead without noticeable effect. If you have any friends who own any of the rifles/calibers you are considering, explain your dilemma to them and see if you can arrange a shooting session. Gun Nuts are usually looking for an excuse to burn powder. One final thought, I never shot a .270 Winchester that didn't kick like a Missouri mule with a toothache.
Good luck in your selection and your hunting.
crm
I vote Savage mainly because my kids have three of them and I've seen first hand what a value they are. Too, and this is just me, and nothing against Marlin, but the XL-7 hasn't been out all that long and I'm usually a bit cautious with the newest, latest, greatest until it has had time to prove itself. As to caliber, and again this is personal preference here, I have never been a .270 fan. I've never hunted elk so I can't address that with the .25-06 but do know that there is myriad choices in .30-06 factory ammo, making it viable for anything from groundhogs to elk and everything in between. Hope this helps. Good hunting.
Over the years I have been known to sell and buy rifles quicker than Obama changes his mind. I have had several Savages and traded or sold them to buy one of the bigger name rifles. I should learn but I am a slow learner that the big name rifles never shot as good as the Savages. The only complaint I ever had about Savage was the trigger and Savage cured that with the accutrigger. The Model 14 and 114 is one of the finest looking rifles and as you know the detachable magazine is right up my alley. I would buy a 308 or a 30-06. The selection of bullets is outstanding and either will kill deer and elk with ease with proper shot placement. I always wondered how a little 130 grain .277 bullet could kick so hard. I have owned 280's and they never seemed to kick like that. As you can tell I am not a 270 fan. The Savage rifle will make you a fine and dependable rifle. Good luck with your selection.
I can see your delema... these are all great cartriges and with one rifle you will have to choose. The XL-7 is getting rave reviews as a LOT for the money but alas, the Savage is more money and a better rifle. Just apply regular 3-in-1 oil to the action rails as you cycle it 300 times... you will make it smooth as snot. The cartriges bring these thoughts to my mind:
30-06 - If elk are your main pursuit, this is the one for you. More than you need for deer and ridiculous for varmints (yes, I can send a 110g bullet after them but why?). If you are hunting dark timber, you can get heavy round nosed bullets that buzz through a little brush. This is one of the most versatile cartriges available and can go from little 110g p-dog bullets up to 250g grizzley bullets if you need to. The best if you only shoot two boxes of bullets a year at a variety of game or if you hunt big stuff a lot.
.270 - Great for prairie deer, fine for timber deer and plenty OK for elk. Kicks like a mule and still not something to shoot all day at targets or little varmints. Has a sharp/snappy recoil. Its OK for coyotes with the lightest bullets but not something I would want to bring to a prairie dog town. Another very flexible cartrige. That is what has made it so popular. This is the best for long range wide open territory and lots of deer and not great for the small varmint spectrum.
25-06 - The BEST for everything from prairie dog (it is NOT too large for p-dogs with 75g bullets and I will gladly demonstrate as I have many times against .220 Swifts and .22/250s) to deer of all kinds but on the light edge for elk. Recoil of a .22 with the hit of a .270 and the best of the bunch for things that run FAST. Its light recoil allows as many shots a day as you can afford. Very light for elk but could be used. There is no doubt that if you hit the largest bull in the chest with a Barnes 115g TSX, he will die in the same manner as with the two above. The largest elk taken by a woman in SD last year was taken with a 25-06. This would be the one to get if you only shoot an occassional elk and a lot of deer and coyotes with thousands of rounds per year on p-dogs or targets. Hope this adds to the perspective... good luck!
Wow! I really appreciate the comments! As many of you have said, I think I'm going to go with the Savage. A little more gun, for a little more money. I can get the hunter package Savage for $390 at my local gun store, and for $60 more, I can get it with the Accutrigger. Thats compared to $310 for the XL-7 from the same gun store without a scope.
Thanks again for all the comments! I'm pretty sure that in a few weeks time, I shall be purchasing a new savage package gun. Most likely in .25-06 since I dont really see myself pursuing elk for some time.
Either should work well for your purpose and budget. If you can find the XL7 in .270, get it. I've been attempting to buy one in .25-06 since Christmas but it's out of stock and back-ordered.
I bought a Savage 116FCSS in 30-06 last year and really enjoy it.
Double digits(16) in the Savage system means a short action 308 or so and smaller, triple(116)digits means long action.
Good luck.
I bought a Savage 116FCSS in 30-06 last year and really enjoy it.
Double digits(16) in the Savage system means a short action 308 or so and smaller, triple(116)digits means long action.
Good luck.
Sorry for the double post.
Good to know, thanks NM!
.270 is a fine cartridge, a .25-06 is a little light but doable, and .30-06 I've found can put down pretty well anything you shoot at, but its noisy for the velocity you get. Btw, the 11 or 111 is in referance to the action size. for .308 (short) rounds, I believe, its the 11, and for full sized ('06, .270, .300 wm, etc) its the triple digit
sorry, i did not see the above post... :P lol
Savage rifle in 25-06
75 grain vmax for varmints and coyotes
80 or 100 grain TTSX for deer
115 grain TSX for elk
A Weatherby Vanguard synthetic in .257 Weatherby Magnum will cost you $400. It will come with a target that it shot to prove its accuracy. Put on a Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9x40mm scope for $190. Your only problem will be feeding it. Factory ammo will cost you $55 to $80 a box. But it sure is fast.
Follow up to Cbass' post, an acquaintence of mine told me last fall that he gave $75 for a box of 7mm Reminton Ultra Mag fodder. That's ridiculous.
Handload! Weatherby ammo is expensive, but I can load 150 grain Barnes TTSX for about $19 a box and 150 gr. Ballistic Tips for $11.60 a box for my 7mm Weatherby magnum. You could load the .257 Wby for a little less with the same bullets due to a little less cost per bullet. Powder cost would be about the same.
I personally love my new tikka heavy barrel varminter stainless... 6.5x55 Swede. 140 grain factory Winchester ammunition, .75 inch groups at 100 yards, 1.5-2 inchers at 200, and hitting a 4"x6" steel plate at 350. The bullets may not be hot (140's leave at 2550 fps, but plenty of sectional density, ballistic coeefficient (.450 on cheap factory rounds!!!) with moderate kick like that of a.25-06 in an accurate package), but you can get 160 grain (.328 sd!!!) with the ability to drop moose WAY OUT THERE. Even only having the rifle for a short while, shooting at an elk 300 yards away, having an accurate wind call and knowing my barometric pressure and tempreture, I would not hesitate to pull the trigger. with a little more practice, and a higher powered scope, I woud not hesitate with a 400-500 yard shot in field (from prone with a bipod), though it IS a little heavy for most people, and I wouldn't want it as a really close range brush gun.
Remember the prices you see on line are typically MSP. Check out Gun Broker.com and your local store for real deals, particularly in the off season.
I give the edge to Savage in quality over the XL7. Also take a look at the new Savage Edge.
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/featured/
Get a Savage package or the Weatherby Vangaurd synthetic package. the packages come with everything you need, rifle, scope, sling, and it is all ready bore sighted so it doesn't take so long to zero the scope
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I think you would be wise to choose the Savage. They have a good reputation for "out of the box" accuracy. Mine will shoot three holes touching at 200 yds. The Savage may have a somewhat stiff action, but this can be remedied by lapping it in with some Gunslick liquid graphite. As to caliber, either the .270 or .30-'06 will serve you well for deer and elk. The .25-06 is an excellent deer and varmint caliber, but in my opinion, just a little bit light for elk, especially for a novice hunter. That being said, a lot of people have killed elk with a .25-06. Shot placement is the key. Break down a shoulder, you have killed the elk, but I would go with the heavier caliber if going after an animal that weighs 800 lbs. or better, and can soak up a lot of lead without noticeable effect. If you have any friends who own any of the rifles/calibers you are considering, explain your dilemma to them and see if you can arrange a shooting session. Gun Nuts are usually looking for an excuse to burn powder. One final thought, I never shot a .270 Winchester that didn't kick like a Missouri mule with a toothache.
Good luck in your selection and your hunting.
crm
I vote Savage mainly because my kids have three of them and I've seen first hand what a value they are. Too, and this is just me, and nothing against Marlin, but the XL-7 hasn't been out all that long and I'm usually a bit cautious with the newest, latest, greatest until it has had time to prove itself. As to caliber, and again this is personal preference here, I have never been a .270 fan. I've never hunted elk so I can't address that with the .25-06 but do know that there is myriad choices in .30-06 factory ammo, making it viable for anything from groundhogs to elk and everything in between. Hope this helps. Good hunting.
It sounds like you have already convinced yourself to buy the Savage. Good choice.
I can see your delema... these are all great cartriges and with one rifle you will have to choose. The XL-7 is getting rave reviews as a LOT for the money but alas, the Savage is more money and a better rifle. Just apply regular 3-in-1 oil to the action rails as you cycle it 300 times... you will make it smooth as snot. The cartriges bring these thoughts to my mind:
30-06 - If elk are your main pursuit, this is the one for you. More than you need for deer and ridiculous for varmints (yes, I can send a 110g bullet after them but why?). If you are hunting dark timber, you can get heavy round nosed bullets that buzz through a little brush. This is one of the most versatile cartriges available and can go from little 110g p-dog bullets up to 250g grizzley bullets if you need to. The best if you only shoot two boxes of bullets a year at a variety of game or if you hunt big stuff a lot.
.270 - Great for prairie deer, fine for timber deer and plenty OK for elk. Kicks like a mule and still not something to shoot all day at targets or little varmints. Has a sharp/snappy recoil. Its OK for coyotes with the lightest bullets but not something I would want to bring to a prairie dog town. Another very flexible cartrige. That is what has made it so popular. This is the best for long range wide open territory and lots of deer and not great for the small varmint spectrum.
25-06 - The BEST for everything from prairie dog (it is NOT too large for p-dogs with 75g bullets and I will gladly demonstrate as I have many times against .220 Swifts and .22/250s) to deer of all kinds but on the light edge for elk. Recoil of a .22 with the hit of a .270 and the best of the bunch for things that run FAST. Its light recoil allows as many shots a day as you can afford. Very light for elk but could be used. There is no doubt that if you hit the largest bull in the chest with a Barnes 115g TSX, he will die in the same manner as with the two above. The largest elk taken by a woman in SD last year was taken with a 25-06. This would be the one to get if you only shoot an occassional elk and a lot of deer and coyotes with thousands of rounds per year on p-dogs or targets. Hope this adds to the perspective... good luck!
Wow! I really appreciate the comments! As many of you have said, I think I'm going to go with the Savage. A little more gun, for a little more money. I can get the hunter package Savage for $390 at my local gun store, and for $60 more, I can get it with the Accutrigger. Thats compared to $310 for the XL-7 from the same gun store without a scope.
Thanks again for all the comments! I'm pretty sure that in a few weeks time, I shall be purchasing a new savage package gun. Most likely in .25-06 since I dont really see myself pursuing elk for some time.
You can get a Savage hunter package that comes with a scope in just about any caliber for around that price.
I'd go with the Savage, I have owned a few marlins and I'll just say a I don't own any anymore, was not impressed with them.
I just finished my first season using my new Savage .270 and wouldn't get rid of it for anything. I did buy the hunter package as mentioned above but replaced the scope with a Nikon. The scope that came on the 270 is on a .22 rifle now. You just can't beat a good scope on a good gun. I would reccomend the hunter package though as a starter and as you can afford better optics replace the scope down the road. Good luck hope you enjoy hunting as much as I do.
Savage, 270, 25-06, 270 wsm, 243
Over the years I have been known to sell and buy rifles quicker than Obama changes his mind. I have had several Savages and traded or sold them to buy one of the bigger name rifles. I should learn but I am a slow learner that the big name rifles never shot as good as the Savages. The only complaint I ever had about Savage was the trigger and Savage cured that with the accutrigger. The Model 14 and 114 is one of the finest looking rifles and as you know the detachable magazine is right up my alley. I would buy a 308 or a 30-06. The selection of bullets is outstanding and either will kill deer and elk with ease with proper shot placement. I always wondered how a little 130 grain .277 bullet could kick so hard. I have owned 280's and they never seemed to kick like that. As you can tell I am not a 270 fan. The Savage rifle will make you a fine and dependable rifle. Good luck with your selection.
Either should work well for your purpose and budget. If you can find the XL7 in .270, get it. I've been attempting to buy one in .25-06 since Christmas but it's out of stock and back-ordered.
I bought a Savage 116FCSS in 30-06 last year and really enjoy it.
Double digits(16) in the Savage system means a short action 308 or so and smaller, triple(116)digits means long action.
Good luck.
I bought a Savage 116FCSS in 30-06 last year and really enjoy it.
Double digits(16) in the Savage system means a short action 308 or so and smaller, triple(116)digits means long action.
Good luck.
.270 is a fine cartridge, a .25-06 is a little light but doable, and .30-06 I've found can put down pretty well anything you shoot at, but its noisy for the velocity you get. Btw, the 11 or 111 is in referance to the action size. for .308 (short) rounds, I believe, its the 11, and for full sized ('06, .270, .300 wm, etc) its the triple digit
I'VE HAD SEVERIAL SAVAGES AND THERE A GOOD GUN.
AS FAR AS CALIBER....I'D GO WITH A .243 WSSM ITS A GREAT DEER RIFLE AND A AWESOME PREDITOR GUN.
NOT MUCH KICK, SHORT ACTION, LIGHT WEIGHT ETC. ETC.
Sorry for the double post.
Good to know, thanks NM!
sorry, i did not see the above post... :P lol
Savage rifle in 25-06
75 grain vmax for varmints and coyotes
80 or 100 grain TTSX for deer
115 grain TSX for elk
A Weatherby Vanguard synthetic in .257 Weatherby Magnum will cost you $400. It will come with a target that it shot to prove its accuracy. Put on a Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9x40mm scope for $190. Your only problem will be feeding it. Factory ammo will cost you $55 to $80 a box. But it sure is fast.
Follow up to Cbass' post, an acquaintence of mine told me last fall that he gave $75 for a box of 7mm Reminton Ultra Mag fodder. That's ridiculous.
Handload! Weatherby ammo is expensive, but I can load 150 grain Barnes TTSX for about $19 a box and 150 gr. Ballistic Tips for $11.60 a box for my 7mm Weatherby magnum. You could load the .257 Wby for a little less with the same bullets due to a little less cost per bullet. Powder cost would be about the same.
I personally love my new tikka heavy barrel varminter stainless... 6.5x55 Swede. 140 grain factory Winchester ammunition, .75 inch groups at 100 yards, 1.5-2 inchers at 200, and hitting a 4"x6" steel plate at 350. The bullets may not be hot (140's leave at 2550 fps, but plenty of sectional density, ballistic coeefficient (.450 on cheap factory rounds!!!) with moderate kick like that of a.25-06 in an accurate package), but you can get 160 grain (.328 sd!!!) with the ability to drop moose WAY OUT THERE. Even only having the rifle for a short while, shooting at an elk 300 yards away, having an accurate wind call and knowing my barometric pressure and tempreture, I would not hesitate to pull the trigger. with a little more practice, and a higher powered scope, I woud not hesitate with a 400-500 yard shot in field (from prone with a bipod), though it IS a little heavy for most people, and I wouldn't want it as a really close range brush gun.
Remember the prices you see on line are typically MSP. Check out Gun Broker.com and your local store for real deals, particularly in the off season.
I give the edge to Savage in quality over the XL7. Also take a look at the new Savage Edge.
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/featured/
Get a Savage package or the Weatherby Vangaurd synthetic package. the packages come with everything you need, rifle, scope, sling, and it is all ready bore sighted so it doesn't take so long to zero the scope
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