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Important read on the high cost of medical care in the USA (non political)

Uploaded on February 26, 2013

This is a really good article and needs to be read. This was published in Time magazine so its not a liberal or conservative rag, its main stream time magazine. Obama Care is nothing, this is all about the scam that is our health care system. For example the ambulance industry earns more money than Hollywood. This article shows in plain daylight how we all get hammered by the "greatest healthcare system in the world". Take note there are 11 pages.
http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/20/bitter-pill-why-medical-bills-are-...

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from jhjimbo wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

10jolson
I took a look at some of the article. Most of this was because a lot of patients did not pay their bills so the hospital charges more to cover the losses. Now with obamacare things are suppose to get better. The results are far from being known as a lot of this does not kick in for some time. Some problems have developed and need correcting but the main thing is if the taxpayers will be able to afford it. The CBO just released a report that obamacare adds $6.2 TRILLION to the long term deficit. This was suppose to be a program that obama said would not cost one thin dime. The part of the law funding pre existing conditions is already out of money. Time will tell if it works.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Two "egos" just too much trouble to maintain, ojo?

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

jhjimbo I really can't even begin to respond to much of what you've said. There is no pre existing condition fund. Never was. If you have absolutely no idea what the heck you are talking about, please,,,don't say anything. The CBO said no such thing, your just talking out your rear end. No wonder the country is in such a mess. Probably Rush or Fox or something, good grief.

10jolson, the ACA took aim at only one portion of our broken health care system, insurance. There were way too many special interests to deal with in one bill, barely passed as it was. There are however mechanisms within the ACA to begin pushing down on the outlandish profits of providers. Part of the problem is that doctors are also providers, and they too are on the gravy train. when you cut into the huge profits of hospital chains you are also cutting into the profit of ol doc Smith who has the family practice with his associates down at that new medical building and the habit of ten thousand dollar elk hunts and trout fishing in Chile.

But they are next. And there are ways within the ACA to start chipping away at the gravy train they are on.

The other leg of the three legged stool is pharma.

But first the insurance industry. My state is scheduled to begin ahead of the deadline in October. Can't wait.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

PROBLEM:
Some people can't afford healthcare insurance!

SOLUTION:
Force people to buy healthcare insurance!

PROBLEM SOLVED!!

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Read the article. Its not about the ACA, its mostly about non profit hospitals tearing the heart out of this economy. ACA didn't address the heart of the issue which is obscene over billing by all services in the medical field.
Jimbo it has nothing to do with patients not paying their bills. Take 10 minutes and read it. Hospitals don't have losses.
Bubba you are kinda creepy.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

ojo

You are a liar.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Been patiently waiting for someone to reference this Time magazine article.
As usual, the 2 detractors (so far) obviously can't be bothered to actually read the information presented, they just parrot FAUX.
Go ahead jhjimbo, please attempt to justify the obscene mark up hospitals across the country charge.

RockRat yet again points out the obvious, how can we as a nation begin to address such thievery when the fleeced won't even acknowledge their being robbed.
Watch, somebody will come along and label this factual article as an attack on capitalism.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

I guess that is the joy of living in a small town, Our local hospital will write off part of your bill if you go to them and prove to them that you can't afford to pay the bill. My mother-in-law was on a very limited income some years back and they wrote off her entire bill. They accept what your insurance will pay and write off the rest. The Dr. that replaced my knee wrote a substancial amount of what the insurance didn't pay without even asking. One of the surgeons is my neighbor and you will never get a bill from him. I have known people that didn't have insurance that he never billed. He is a gem of a guy.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

That's awesome Sarge, pray that some conglomerate doesn't buy your hospital.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Bubba obviously when our little deal went down I was mistaken and I had made a typo and I apologized to you. I read your back and forth with The Armed Liberal and I got a good laugh out of it, but you are in neverland there. I stayed away for a while but I'm not going to stop posting due to a typo/auto correct. So hate me, call me what you want, aka me whatever makes you happy... I don't mind.

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from clinchknot wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Did someone say, "lots of things ought to get better" under ObamaCare? Was the coke hose up that guy's nose? Not only will there be massive corruption, but quality of the care will hit rock bottom. This comes from the pros themselves, the Dr.'s.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Clinchknot: who said that?

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from jhjimbo wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Hoski, Rock Rat, 10Jolson
There is really no sense in discussing further obama care because it is only in the beginning of implementation and nobody really knows what the final package will look like.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

jhjimbo,
You are exactly right, there is no further sense in discussing the ACA with you...especially because this thread and it's subject matter has absolutely zero to do with the ACA...it's about what hospitals and service providers CHARGE, not how or who pays.
You're letting your ignorance show.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

sayfu is in the same boat, he scans the topic and if it concerns medicine he assumes it's about the ACA and automatically goes into hate mode.

How come he's not ending everyone of his posts with "Obama is the giver of truth and the light of sayfu/knotfu/clinched's life as promised?

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from jhjimbo wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

I was the one that brought up obamacare. If you want to hash over hospital and insurance practices you are living in the past. I am looking forward to the transition to the new system that is suppose to eliminate the practices of the past. Look forward and be optimistic.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Sarge,
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but…
There are two categories of unpaid medical bills. Hospitals write off bills for patients who cannot afford to pay, which is known as charity care. Other patients are expected to pay but do not. This is known as bad debt.
Bad debt is at least partially paid by collection agencies. They “buy” the list of bad debtors and do their best to collect through intimidation or litigation. The balance is written off as losses on income tax.
The charity write off hospitals so graciously give, while seemingly are a huge help to the individual who just had a bill forgiven, really just passes the buck onto those of us who end up paying through the higher cost for services provided.
Although I applaud the examples you provided at least as far as a sense of community good will, you can rest assured nobody is giving away much of anything.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

jhjimbo,
Thanks for at least attempting to understand.
Here's the problem, the ACA or ObamaCare as you like to call it only addresses one side of the equation...who pays.
The article this thread references is the obscene practice of overcharging by healthcare providers and healthcare facilities which is the primary driver of the cost.
Now, if you wish to look to the future for a possible cure for this obscene practice, my suggestion would be to scrap the ACA and go with a single payer plan.
But that wasn't even allowed to be an option or the GOP wouldn't even come to the table and discuss health care in the first place.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

BTW, if you'd have taken the time to read the article in the first place you would have discovered this was addressed.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Guys read the article, it is the truth about what is wrong with our health care and its non partisan.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Hoski,
Again you don't know what you are talking about. I know the comptroller personally at the hospital and that isn't what happens. Maybe at larger hospitals but not here. I have had several operations over 20 years and every time some of the procedure has been written off. No collection agency has been knocking at my door ar any other door that I know of wanting payment. I know that people with insurance pay for people that don't I'm not that naieve. However with my insurance plan the insurance company tells the hospital and the Dr. what they will pay and the hospital and the Dr.'s agree to this arrangement to participate in that plan. I do know of accounts at this hospital that have been turned over for collection because of non-payment when the patient flately refuses to pay. Usually the part that gets written off of my bill is the difference of what the Dr. charges and what the insurance pays. I guess we just don't have greedy Dr.'s here like most places. I am sure that in some cases that the hospital writes some cases off as bad debts, but that isn't the cases that I am talking about.

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from labrador12 wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

10jolsen I'm glad that you have found the truth. Was it also the truth when Time was writing about Global Cooling and that the next Ice Age was just around the corner? Or have they just found the truth this year? I guess only you know the truth. I wish I was as smart as you.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Sarge,
I'm happy that you live in a community that is so co-operative.
You said you know the hospital's comptroller...is he the guy who does the facility's taxes?
Are you in fact telling us that the facility doesn't inflate their charges to insurance companies?--Not yours specifically, but can you in fact speak from authority what they charge Blue Cross Blue Shield...Nationwide, State Farm, etc?

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

labrador12,
You're probably right, I'm sure Time Magazine gave no thought to being sued for slander or anything like that.
As a matter of fact, now I'm sure of it...Time conspired to purposely draft a bunch of falsehoods making the healthcare industry look bad, we just haven't figured out the payoff yet.
Maybe you could explain it?

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Nice! Self appointed "mulligan"? ...or just a grade school "do-over"?
You rock armedolsen!

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Hoski if you read my earlier post closely you would have seen where I wrote that people with insurance pay for people that don't. I think that I made that clear, not on mine which is negociated(sp) but the others that you have mentioned, I am not saying that they are that lilly white.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

So I posted this article on here in hopes that people would read it and see that they have common ground, instead nobody reads it and they just keep on.
I challenge any of you to read this article, its important and yes it is based on fact Labrador but you would not know that because you did not read it.
Don't worry it doesn't attack conservatives, its not a GOP slam, its just facts about the system we all argue about but don't know about. Here is your chance to know. This article has the power to be the impetus for real change if Americans rally around how unjust the medical system is. Again this has nothing to do with Obama Care. You will not regret reading this.

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

One time when talking about health care costs on a very superficial level with a buddies wife who is obsessed with Fox, Glen Beck, etc. (She even buys their books!) I mentioned how I just wish they had prices written down somewhere so to let the market determine if I wanted the service or not.

I've never been anywhere in the world where you can't just walk into a health clinic or hospital or doctor's office and ask how much something is going to cost. Many have the costs for most common charges written on a white board on the wall. She thought the idea was great.

I've been treated in places where doctors with a degree from an American Medical school, in one of the best hospitals in the country, five start treatment, hot and cold running nurses, and a typical procedure is 1/5 of what you'd pay here. And yes, they do open heart surgery, Higher percentages of positive outcomes than here, but you have to fly half way around the world.

The business side of our medicine is messed up.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

1ojolsen,
Don't set yourself up for disappointment, Faux tells them all other sources of information are either biased and left leaning or planted by the devil as an inducement towards communism.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Yeah but its finally in TIME friggin magazine.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

armedolsen

"....in TIME friggin magazine...."

You and your "head pat" distributor are really onto something here!

Please "google" the following two subjects.

1. errors made by time magazine
WOW! Seems even TIME can choke on a chicken bone!
2. political bias by time magazine
My! My! It appears that TIME is at least "tilted" a bit liberal, they even report all media is liberally "slanted"!

Just because you two decide an article is "top notch" don't make it worthy of a "Pulitzer" prize!
It's just another article written by another human being looking for a specific "slant"

Idiots!

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

1ojolsen,
See what I mean?
If Hannity or Billy O doesn't broadcast it, it must be drivel.

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from clinchknot wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

And you wonder why that is the perception Hoski? One's reputation does stay with one even when the subject changes.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

OK then, go to foxbusiness.com and see what they are reporting on the article.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

armedolsen

Back up jack! Re-read my post!
I did NOT say your posted article was "wrong"!
I'm merely pointing out you took Mr. Brill's article as "up front" gospel.
You AND Homaski have a tendency (?) to "scoff" at FOX, then turn around and preach some "other" media "source" has it correct!
Really?
I've asked Homaski in the past and got no answer, so I'll ask you! (though I don't expect any answer!)
What kind of credentials do you have that you have ""THE" final say on which article/media/news source iis credible and which isn't? (because I read and study them doesn't count! )
I await your non-answer!

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Did somebody say something?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

The ambulance industry earns more money than Hollywood?

I do the billing for five ambulance companies and see what's going on with others around the country and I got to say, who ever wrote that statement is really full of snit!

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from clinchknot wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Maybe he meant the "ambulance chasers" The Trial lawyers that contribute heavily to the Democrats for obvious reasons.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Why don't you both read it and find out?

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

10jolsen this article seems to be discussed everywhere I read of late. The article itself might have an affect on how many view medical care in the US.

I like Brill's remedies.

Tightening antitrust laws that relate to hospitals to keep them from becoming dominant in a particular region;
Taxing hospital profits at 75% along with a tax surcharge on high nondoctor hospital salaries;
Outlawing the current chargemaster system and create a better pricing system that is transparent;
Limiting the amount that pharmaceutical companies can charge for "wonder drugs";
Tightening or perhaps cap, what insurance companies can pay for imaging, for example, CT and MRI scans;
Capping profits on lab tests done in house by hospitals or doctors

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Rock rat I agree. Those solutions would work. It amazes me that this information has been under a rock for so long. Everyone is being ripped off. Really only medicare and Medicaid come near to paying what medical costs should be. Health care as a business needs to end.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Seventy five percent tax on hospital profits?

WOW rat! THAT'LL make prices drop like a rock!
Bet those "rich" investors will be standing on line to invest their millions with a return rate like that!

Tell us, oh learned ones, just how that reduces hospital and health care costs!

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

You forgot to add a transition to a single payer health care system like the rest of the friggin 1st world.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

1ojolsen,
In reality he knows all about the single payer system because he's been on it for years.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

So "Gov't based healthcare"?
You mean "Socialized" medicine?

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from clinchknot wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

"and it won't cost you an extra dime. It will save us money." One of the biggest lies Obama has ever perpetrated, and he's perpetrated a lot of them. The fact he thinks folks are so stupid to believe that is an insult. Put 20 million more people on the dole, and it won't cost us a dime? Makes me realize ECON 101 should have been taught, and taught hard in the school system.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Read the article. Its not about the ACA, its mostly about non profit hospitals tearing the heart out of this economy. ACA didn't address the heart of the issue which is obscene over billing by all services in the medical field.
Jimbo it has nothing to do with patients not paying their bills. Take 10 minutes and read it. Hospitals don't have losses.
Bubba you are kinda creepy.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Yeah but its finally in TIME friggin magazine.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Did somebody say something?

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

jhjimbo I really can't even begin to respond to much of what you've said. There is no pre existing condition fund. Never was. If you have absolutely no idea what the heck you are talking about, please,,,don't say anything. The CBO said no such thing, your just talking out your rear end. No wonder the country is in such a mess. Probably Rush or Fox or something, good grief.

10jolson, the ACA took aim at only one portion of our broken health care system, insurance. There were way too many special interests to deal with in one bill, barely passed as it was. There are however mechanisms within the ACA to begin pushing down on the outlandish profits of providers. Part of the problem is that doctors are also providers, and they too are on the gravy train. when you cut into the huge profits of hospital chains you are also cutting into the profit of ol doc Smith who has the family practice with his associates down at that new medical building and the habit of ten thousand dollar elk hunts and trout fishing in Chile.

But they are next. And there are ways within the ACA to start chipping away at the gravy train they are on.

The other leg of the three legged stool is pharma.

But first the insurance industry. My state is scheduled to begin ahead of the deadline in October. Can't wait.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Bubba obviously when our little deal went down I was mistaken and I had made a typo and I apologized to you. I read your back and forth with The Armed Liberal and I got a good laugh out of it, but you are in neverland there. I stayed away for a while but I'm not going to stop posting due to a typo/auto correct. So hate me, call me what you want, aka me whatever makes you happy... I don't mind.

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from clinchknot wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Did someone say, "lots of things ought to get better" under ObamaCare? Was the coke hose up that guy's nose? Not only will there be massive corruption, but quality of the care will hit rock bottom. This comes from the pros themselves, the Dr.'s.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Why don't you both read it and find out?

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

10jolsen this article seems to be discussed everywhere I read of late. The article itself might have an affect on how many view medical care in the US.

I like Brill's remedies.

Tightening antitrust laws that relate to hospitals to keep them from becoming dominant in a particular region;
Taxing hospital profits at 75% along with a tax surcharge on high nondoctor hospital salaries;
Outlawing the current chargemaster system and create a better pricing system that is transparent;
Limiting the amount that pharmaceutical companies can charge for "wonder drugs";
Tightening or perhaps cap, what insurance companies can pay for imaging, for example, CT and MRI scans;
Capping profits on lab tests done in house by hospitals or doctors

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from jhjimbo wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

10jolson
I took a look at some of the article. Most of this was because a lot of patients did not pay their bills so the hospital charges more to cover the losses. Now with obamacare things are suppose to get better. The results are far from being known as a lot of this does not kick in for some time. Some problems have developed and need correcting but the main thing is if the taxpayers will be able to afford it. The CBO just released a report that obamacare adds $6.2 TRILLION to the long term deficit. This was suppose to be a program that obama said would not cost one thin dime. The part of the law funding pre existing conditions is already out of money. Time will tell if it works.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

PROBLEM:
Some people can't afford healthcare insurance!

SOLUTION:
Force people to buy healthcare insurance!

PROBLEM SOLVED!!

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Been patiently waiting for someone to reference this Time magazine article.
As usual, the 2 detractors (so far) obviously can't be bothered to actually read the information presented, they just parrot FAUX.
Go ahead jhjimbo, please attempt to justify the obscene mark up hospitals across the country charge.

RockRat yet again points out the obvious, how can we as a nation begin to address such thievery when the fleeced won't even acknowledge their being robbed.
Watch, somebody will come along and label this factual article as an attack on capitalism.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

I guess that is the joy of living in a small town, Our local hospital will write off part of your bill if you go to them and prove to them that you can't afford to pay the bill. My mother-in-law was on a very limited income some years back and they wrote off her entire bill. They accept what your insurance will pay and write off the rest. The Dr. that replaced my knee wrote a substancial amount of what the insurance didn't pay without even asking. One of the surgeons is my neighbor and you will never get a bill from him. I have known people that didn't have insurance that he never billed. He is a gem of a guy.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

That's awesome Sarge, pray that some conglomerate doesn't buy your hospital.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Clinchknot: who said that?

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from jhjimbo wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Hoski, Rock Rat, 10Jolson
There is really no sense in discussing further obama care because it is only in the beginning of implementation and nobody really knows what the final package will look like.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

jhjimbo,
You are exactly right, there is no further sense in discussing the ACA with you...especially because this thread and it's subject matter has absolutely zero to do with the ACA...it's about what hospitals and service providers CHARGE, not how or who pays.
You're letting your ignorance show.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

sayfu is in the same boat, he scans the topic and if it concerns medicine he assumes it's about the ACA and automatically goes into hate mode.

How come he's not ending everyone of his posts with "Obama is the giver of truth and the light of sayfu/knotfu/clinched's life as promised?

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from jhjimbo wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

I was the one that brought up obamacare. If you want to hash over hospital and insurance practices you are living in the past. I am looking forward to the transition to the new system that is suppose to eliminate the practices of the past. Look forward and be optimistic.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Sarge,
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but…
There are two categories of unpaid medical bills. Hospitals write off bills for patients who cannot afford to pay, which is known as charity care. Other patients are expected to pay but do not. This is known as bad debt.
Bad debt is at least partially paid by collection agencies. They “buy” the list of bad debtors and do their best to collect through intimidation or litigation. The balance is written off as losses on income tax.
The charity write off hospitals so graciously give, while seemingly are a huge help to the individual who just had a bill forgiven, really just passes the buck onto those of us who end up paying through the higher cost for services provided.
Although I applaud the examples you provided at least as far as a sense of community good will, you can rest assured nobody is giving away much of anything.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

jhjimbo,
Thanks for at least attempting to understand.
Here's the problem, the ACA or ObamaCare as you like to call it only addresses one side of the equation...who pays.
The article this thread references is the obscene practice of overcharging by healthcare providers and healthcare facilities which is the primary driver of the cost.
Now, if you wish to look to the future for a possible cure for this obscene practice, my suggestion would be to scrap the ACA and go with a single payer plan.
But that wasn't even allowed to be an option or the GOP wouldn't even come to the table and discuss health care in the first place.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

BTW, if you'd have taken the time to read the article in the first place you would have discovered this was addressed.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Guys read the article, it is the truth about what is wrong with our health care and its non partisan.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Hoski,
Again you don't know what you are talking about. I know the comptroller personally at the hospital and that isn't what happens. Maybe at larger hospitals but not here. I have had several operations over 20 years and every time some of the procedure has been written off. No collection agency has been knocking at my door ar any other door that I know of wanting payment. I know that people with insurance pay for people that don't I'm not that naieve. However with my insurance plan the insurance company tells the hospital and the Dr. what they will pay and the hospital and the Dr.'s agree to this arrangement to participate in that plan. I do know of accounts at this hospital that have been turned over for collection because of non-payment when the patient flately refuses to pay. Usually the part that gets written off of my bill is the difference of what the Dr. charges and what the insurance pays. I guess we just don't have greedy Dr.'s here like most places. I am sure that in some cases that the hospital writes some cases off as bad debts, but that isn't the cases that I am talking about.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Sarge,
I'm happy that you live in a community that is so co-operative.
You said you know the hospital's comptroller...is he the guy who does the facility's taxes?
Are you in fact telling us that the facility doesn't inflate their charges to insurance companies?--Not yours specifically, but can you in fact speak from authority what they charge Blue Cross Blue Shield...Nationwide, State Farm, etc?

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

labrador12,
You're probably right, I'm sure Time Magazine gave no thought to being sued for slander or anything like that.
As a matter of fact, now I'm sure of it...Time conspired to purposely draft a bunch of falsehoods making the healthcare industry look bad, we just haven't figured out the payoff yet.
Maybe you could explain it?

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Hoski if you read my earlier post closely you would have seen where I wrote that people with insurance pay for people that don't. I think that I made that clear, not on mine which is negociated(sp) but the others that you have mentioned, I am not saying that they are that lilly white.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

So I posted this article on here in hopes that people would read it and see that they have common ground, instead nobody reads it and they just keep on.
I challenge any of you to read this article, its important and yes it is based on fact Labrador but you would not know that because you did not read it.
Don't worry it doesn't attack conservatives, its not a GOP slam, its just facts about the system we all argue about but don't know about. Here is your chance to know. This article has the power to be the impetus for real change if Americans rally around how unjust the medical system is. Again this has nothing to do with Obama Care. You will not regret reading this.

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

One time when talking about health care costs on a very superficial level with a buddies wife who is obsessed with Fox, Glen Beck, etc. (She even buys their books!) I mentioned how I just wish they had prices written down somewhere so to let the market determine if I wanted the service or not.

I've never been anywhere in the world where you can't just walk into a health clinic or hospital or doctor's office and ask how much something is going to cost. Many have the costs for most common charges written on a white board on the wall. She thought the idea was great.

I've been treated in places where doctors with a degree from an American Medical school, in one of the best hospitals in the country, five start treatment, hot and cold running nurses, and a typical procedure is 1/5 of what you'd pay here. And yes, they do open heart surgery, Higher percentages of positive outcomes than here, but you have to fly half way around the world.

The business side of our medicine is messed up.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

1ojolsen,
Don't set yourself up for disappointment, Faux tells them all other sources of information are either biased and left leaning or planted by the devil as an inducement towards communism.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

armedolsen

"....in TIME friggin magazine...."

You and your "head pat" distributor are really onto something here!

Please "google" the following two subjects.

1. errors made by time magazine
WOW! Seems even TIME can choke on a chicken bone!
2. political bias by time magazine
My! My! It appears that TIME is at least "tilted" a bit liberal, they even report all media is liberally "slanted"!

Just because you two decide an article is "top notch" don't make it worthy of a "Pulitzer" prize!
It's just another article written by another human being looking for a specific "slant"

Idiots!

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

1ojolsen,
See what I mean?
If Hannity or Billy O doesn't broadcast it, it must be drivel.

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from clinchknot wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

And you wonder why that is the perception Hoski? One's reputation does stay with one even when the subject changes.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

OK then, go to foxbusiness.com and see what they are reporting on the article.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

The ambulance industry earns more money than Hollywood?

I do the billing for five ambulance companies and see what's going on with others around the country and I got to say, who ever wrote that statement is really full of snit!

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from clinchknot wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Maybe he meant the "ambulance chasers" The Trial lawyers that contribute heavily to the Democrats for obvious reasons.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Rock rat I agree. Those solutions would work. It amazes me that this information has been under a rock for so long. Everyone is being ripped off. Really only medicare and Medicaid come near to paying what medical costs should be. Health care as a business needs to end.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Seventy five percent tax on hospital profits?

WOW rat! THAT'LL make prices drop like a rock!
Bet those "rich" investors will be standing on line to invest their millions with a return rate like that!

Tell us, oh learned ones, just how that reduces hospital and health care costs!

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

You forgot to add a transition to a single payer health care system like the rest of the friggin 1st world.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

1ojolsen,
In reality he knows all about the single payer system because he's been on it for years.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Two "egos" just too much trouble to maintain, ojo?

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

ojo

You are a liar.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

Nice! Self appointed "mulligan"? ...or just a grade school "do-over"?
You rock armedolsen!

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

So "Gov't based healthcare"?
You mean "Socialized" medicine?

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from clinchknot wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

"and it won't cost you an extra dime. It will save us money." One of the biggest lies Obama has ever perpetrated, and he's perpetrated a lot of them. The fact he thinks folks are so stupid to believe that is an insult. Put 20 million more people on the dole, and it won't cost us a dime? Makes me realize ECON 101 should have been taught, and taught hard in the school system.

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from labrador12 wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

10jolsen I'm glad that you have found the truth. Was it also the truth when Time was writing about Global Cooling and that the next Ice Age was just around the corner? Or have they just found the truth this year? I guess only you know the truth. I wish I was as smart as you.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 6 weeks ago

armedolsen

Back up jack! Re-read my post!
I did NOT say your posted article was "wrong"!
I'm merely pointing out you took Mr. Brill's article as "up front" gospel.
You AND Homaski have a tendency (?) to "scoff" at FOX, then turn around and preach some "other" media "source" has it correct!
Really?
I've asked Homaski in the past and got no answer, so I'll ask you! (though I don't expect any answer!)
What kind of credentials do you have that you have ""THE" final say on which article/media/news source iis credible and which isn't? (because I read and study them doesn't count! )
I await your non-answer!

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