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Hunting

Morality of the kill

Uploaded on October 12, 2009

I just want to get this out and see what comes of it. I have only been deer hunting one time and the guy that took me was a complete idiot. Needless to say, we didn't even see, yet alone, kill anything. So, basically what this thread is about: I just want to kill a deer, or something. I really don't care what, I just want to kill it. I have no interest whatsoever in eating the meat or keeping the head as a trophy. You may think this is wrong, but I really don't. So, let me know what you think. I know that deep down, some of you feel the same way.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Hunting just to kill is wrong. I'm guessing you're just a kid. You should talk to your guidance counselor or a doctor about your bloodlust. This is not what we hunters are about.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

No. I am not a kid actually. I am 28, and in the Army. I don't need to talk to a counselor or a doctor about my so-called "bloodlust" either. This is just the way I feel. Personally, I don't like the way the meat tastes and I have no need to mount a head on my wall. Also, the way you refer to hunters as "we hunters" suggests that all hunters are some sort of clan or are in some way equal. That is not the case. As humans, we all feel to some degree the need to take life at some point. Just because I want to kill for fun, doesn't make me any less humanne that any other "hunter" out there. Who is to say that killing just to kill is wrong anyway? You? If you were raised in a society that kills just for the kill, how would you know that what you were doing is wrong? We are raised on certain beliefs and morals as children to think that what our parents say is right. I believe that we all must decide what we believe is "right and wrong." So, no, I have no problem with killing just for the fun of it.

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from Big O wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

You could take up coyote hunting !
No meat to waste, no head to mount and they need killing.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

I have no problem with coyote hunting or any other hunting. I would actually like to go bear hunting. I just want to use my shooting skills and kill something. I would actually prefer to hunt something that is worthy of hunting. Something that can hunt back.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

PETA/ALF plant

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

What about them sgaredneck? They are a bunch of pu$$ies if you ask me.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

What's your unit if you don't mind my asking?

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

I can't tell you that.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Let me guess. You could tell me, but then you'd have to kill me, right?

Look, I was just asking as for reference. 82nd, 10th Mtn, etc. I mean, if you are Secret Squirrel it doesn't matter.

I'm just trying to get a fix on why you are approaching this the way you are. I got started hunting when I was a young boy. Hunting has evolved a lot for me, but I don't think I have ever wanted to kill for the sake of killing. I enjoy the outdoors. I'd rather sit in a deer stand in the summer heat watching animals than go to the beach. So I guess that makes me messed up. If I choose to take an animal, I am doing it for purpose. This year feeding my family is high priority. We'll use the meat since the economy has hit us so bad.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

No, it is not like that. All I will tell you is that currently I am deployed to Afghanistan. You may never be able to get a "fix" on my approach either, as I feel there is nothing wrong with me. There are numerous people in the world with the same thoughts that I have, most of which would not voice these thoughts. I however, do, and that apparently makes me different or "crazy" or whatever. I did not do a lot of hunting as a child, but as far as I can remember, I always enjoyed killing an animal. Maybe it is just something about the power over the animal that I enjoy. And, before you rant about "well, you have a gun...etc," I have killed animals in many ways. Once, I set a snare trap and caught a racoon, then killed it with a knife. I also enjoy being in the wilderness instead of a beach somewhere. As far as the need to kill, I have none, the US Army provides my family with all the money/items that we could ask for, so I don't need to kill to eat. Now, to ease some opinions, I have no problem giving my kill to someone that would appreciate it, but if I hunt alone, NO, I wouldn't go out of my way and bring it along.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

I'm not a pshrink, and it's not my job to say anything is wrong with you. I disagree with your motivation for hunting. That doesn't make me judgmental or mean I'm ranting. I would submit that if you are going to hunt something, let it be for a purpose. If it is only for the kill, and you don't have anyone to share the meat with, why take that animal's life? Does it need killing? Is it a threat or a pest? Does your life depend on it? Your reason may be one I don't get, but let there be a good reason to do it, not just to prove you are Davy Crockett.

For that matter I probably don't agree with everyone on this site about their motivation for hunting and killing. There are plenty of folks that probably think my rationale is f****d.

I appreciate your service for our country, whatever branch you are in. If you are out in it, stay safe & God Bless.

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from lawman328 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Whats your MOS? Your in Afghanistan, and don't have the opportunity to hunt something that hunts back? Maybe you should look into re-upping in something other then a REMF MOS.
I'm sure your posts are just for shock factor and to get a rise out of this forum, or maybe just for you and the other supply guys, or cooks, or clerk typist, to have a good chuckle, if not then you sound like your in need of a long stay in a soft room. Maybe your trying to get out on a Mental discharge. If not step up goto SF or Ranger school, try 11B or sniper school or something that your talents and mind set of a warrior might do some good.
Most hunters don't kill to just kill, I know some that have/do and I hold them in very low reguard.
If you need the rush to just kill your in the right place, and maybe it could be a service to your country.
If this isn't a joke, then there are places you can go, not to just kill, but like on safari, I know that the people of the area tribs and villages eat alot of meat from Hunters that they wouldn't normaly get.
I know that meat probably ain't comming into the US(not for sure on this), so basicly I guess that it is mostly trophy hunting of dangerous game for sport.
Maybe you could look into a slaughter house.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

lawman328, you are just the person that I make reference to in my previous posts. You think just because I want to kill a deer just for the fun of killing it, that I am mental. I am of sound mind and body, I just want to see the life drain from animals. Did they deserve to die? Sure, why not? What else do they have to live for? Are they going to get a job, settle down with a family? No. They do not care, they do not have feelings. If I shoot a deers mother, do you think the baby deer is like: "OMG you shot my mom...waaaa" Uhh...NO. It does what it always has and will do, which is eat, sleep, and produce waste. Personally, I don't care what regard you hold anyone with my same thoughts.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Well, why are you still writing? Nobody has agreed with your rationale yet.

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from lawman328 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

My bad I thought there for a min. that maybe we all just missunderstood you, and you were having trouble articulating yourself, or joking around. But I think that it's painfully eveident that you do need to talk with someone, maybe a chaplin can talk with you and maybe give you the answers and insight that you are looking for. The other four members of this forum that have posted, i'm sure will and if not, know that I will, be prying for you.
If that don't suit you then maybe you could check out a book by Col. John Grossmen (I think thats his name) titled "On Killing"
But I don't think you'll get the acceptence that your looking for from most hunters, but I Don't Speak For Field & Stream so post away!

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Lawman I'm 1000% right there with you - I grew up in a military family, however I didn't serve myself. I have never met a military person who didn't see things they didn't want to see, and while I hear of them, I have never met a military or former military person who relished a kill for no reason. I only speak from my personal experience. Most every Vet I know has an even higher regard for life and has honorable ethics.

I have to admit at first I thought he was one of the anti- folks trying to get an off-balance response from somebody. After he started rolling I dunno.........I was and am confounded.

To the person posting:
Your name isn't Kill4Fun anymore than mine is.
Nobody here is against you. Far from it. We are (I am) dumbfounded,confused by your revelations, yet I sense something else in there. Like I said before I'm not the pshrink you want. But I will put in an extra heavy-duty prayer for you. You have bigger things to work out than hunting or killing.

We are here without hatred if you want a start in a different direction. God bless.

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from Archery 101 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Kill4Fun, you are crazy for your comment that you sent to lawman328. Sure deer aren't going to settle down or anything but they do play a huge part in our ecosystem. If you went out and killed every deer, it would cause a huge disaster because then say the coyotes for example would have no food so they would die off which would allow other species to over populate and then die from starvation and sickness. They do have a reason to live or else they would mess up the food chain. Also, I'm pretty sure that a fawn would care if you killed its mother because it would have no protection and would more than likely die. You probally don't even care that I'm lecturing to you though because you would enjoy to see all of the animals die.

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from Archery 101 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Also don't hate the Army Kill4Fun. I really appreciate your service to our country. God Bless.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

I understand your concerns about my mental state, I really do, but as I have stated before, I need not talk to anyone, as I feel perfectly fine. I have talked to other service members about this before and found out that many of them share my thoughts on the subject. Now, that being said; I never said that I wanted to kill every animal out there and I know that every animal is part of the ecosystem. I merely stated that I do enjoy a nice kill and have no nead for the trophy or meat. And, if you want to be truly honest, everyone kills deer for other reasons. If you say that you kill to provide food for your family, I do not believe you. I do believe that you bring the food for your family and eat it. But, with the money you spent on the hunting gear, ammo, rifle, permit, lease, etc...you could have very well bought a cow and had it slaughtered, or went to the grocery store. It is an undescribable feel for me to put my crosshairs on that animal and squeeze the trigger. It is as if nothing else in the world matters, I am at total peace for that split second. I also appreciate your prayers as well, as I am a christian. And, many thanks your appreciation of my service.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

I own a retail business and had to basically stop paying myself to be able to keep the employees that make my business viable. We have lived off my wife's meager salary for the past year and then some, and have cut back in ways I've only ever heard the old-timers talk about (Great Depression). My employees understand, and they have taken deep cuts as well. As for buying food, lets be real. Nobody can totally stop buying food. But 12 GA deer tags x amt of venison = full freezers for greater part of a year, probably more. I took 4 does, no bucks last year. This year I will see what happens. My wife may hunt also.

I don't pay anyone to process the meat- I do it myself like I always have. Ga lic./tags were $55 for the one I buy. I reload my own ammo. Even counting fuel cost I figure I will be less than $1/lb. Maybe a good bit less. So that will be how it is for us this year.

My truck is 10 years old and has 237K miles on it. My rifles I will use are either 3 years old, 20 years old, or 63 years old.
We have made it to the point where we have nothing but a house payment and a power bill. I will not borrow any money. That will only exacerbate the problems.

As for the cows, our family collectively owns a farm and we have some cattle. We have already butchered one cow this year but we will try not to do two. After all, we have to have income coming in to make the farm go. I hunt mostly on our place and I have 3 other tracts I have permission to hunt. I won't go into farmers have done to have to make it this year. Anyone who knows, knows.
As for leasing hunting property, I have only been a member of a club once in my 41 years. That was 25 years ago.

There's my lie. You called me out on it. I think I have amply explained myself.

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from victorytw228 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Have your family buy you a xbox or playstation (your choice) and cabelas deer hunter, or cabelas dangerous hunts, or cabelas african safari. Have them mail it to you, then you can kill as much as your little heart wants. But if your looking for someone to agree with you on killing an animal just to kill, your on the wrong website. Most of these guys and girls were raised to respect their kills.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Dang redneck. You could be my freakin twin except my truck has 276K and is 12 years old.

I'll play kill4fun's little game. The person you make yourself out to be does exist. Sadly, there are people whom take to the woods and kill animals for the fun of it. They can be anyone from any walk of life and it is difficult to tell whom they are. The mistake you are making is associating them with us. We are hunters. We have rules, morals and ethics. We live for sunrises, cold feet and long hours in the stand. We love our adventures, regardless of success and are eager to share them with one another. We have hunters remorse. Speaking for myself I do feel sad at the death of a wonderful creature but I understand the cycle of life and was honored to take part. I respect the animals that I have killed.

We are hunters.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Kill4Fun-
I think most hunters do not hunt to merely "kill something", but I don't speak for everyone; Just myself.
My hunting began with small game, and since then killing has taken on new meaning to me...that was approximately 40 years ago. It had a lasting impression on me beyond words. Ok, you don't eat venison, but that can be eaten by someone else to avoid waste.
I have no doubt that you have spoken to others that feel the same way as you do on this subject, but for me hunting is not only about the kill because most hunting doesn't end in a dead animal.Death,and birth, are facts in nature all of us are captive to experience. Part of ethical hunting is to respect animals, and dispatch them as quickly as possible. Bottom line; Having a "need" to kill is not part of my hunting ethics.

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from rootju wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

If you are serious about killing something that hunts you back, you will need to spend money. First off, to kill a deer just to kill a deer isn't right, but you could donate the meat. Now back to killing something that will hunt you. The only animal know to hunt man is a polar bear. Go try to do that, spend the money. And if you don't want the mount, donate it to a museum. However once again, killing something, just to kill it and leave it lay is wrong in EVERY, and I mean EVERY hunter's mind. Unless of course it is a yote or something along those lines.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Ok. I've let this go long enough. I have never and will never kill anything just for the fun of it. I just know that there are people out there that do this kind of hunting. I just wanted to see the response that these type of people would receive. I was not lying about not liking the meat though. I have had some venison chili before and it was pretty good. I guess I just haven't had the right person prepare it. I also do not keep the trophy when I hunt, unless, as I said, it is something I feel is "worth" keeping. When I kill, since I do not eat it, I always have a friend or place that I take it so it is not wasted. I would like to thank you guys that commented out of rational instead of hate/emotion. I very much respect the animals that I hunt.

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from lawman328 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

So Kill4Fun how do you feel about the responses you received?
What would you tell your freinds about the people on this forum?
Are you a service member on deployment?
Have you deer hunted more then once with the idiot?

Could you answer the following question?
A woman goes to a funeral for her Aunt and meets the love of her life. She knows he is the one, but fails to get any of his information before he leaves, so she goes home that night and kills her sister.
Why did she kill her sister?

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

I would feel more educated about the bond between hunters and the need for compasion.
I would tell my friends that I met some very intelligent and wholesome people on this forum that I would like to get to know better.
I am actually deployed in Afghanistan. I repair weapons for the US Army. I am very familiar with the M16A2 (AR15 for civilians) along with various other weapon systems.
No, I never wanted to hunt with that idiot ever again. He had a .30-06 and he gave me a duck shotgun with slugs to hung with. We hunted from a ground blind that only had about 30 feet in front of it before the dense woods.
She killed her sister because she was married to the love of her life?

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

On one hand I'm glad to have explained myself. On the other hand being called a liar just to satisfy someones curiosity rates low. I did honestly pray for you. You obviously need more.

Sorry, I'm not in the mindphuck business.

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from lawman328 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Most Serial Killers, and Physcopaths in their twisted minds come to answer that question with the following: She went home and killed her sister because the love of her life was either family, or a friend of the family, and in her mind she knew that if she killed a family member he would show up to the funeral again! (which in their minds seems reasonable)
So you got that going for you!

Keep them weapons rolling for them boys, Stay Safe!

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

sgaredneck, I never called you a liar. If you read the thread, I just said that I personally didn't believe that was the case.

So, I guess i'm a serial killer/physcopath.

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from Big O wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

No one said that !
lawman was just responding to the "question" about the "killer" sister. Relax dude O.K. ?

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

My statements:

"If I choose to take an animal, I am doing it for purpose. This year feeding my family is high priority. We'll use the meat since the economy has hit us so bad."

Yours:

"If you say that you kill to provide food for your family, I do not believe you. I do believe that you bring the food for your family and eat it. But, with the money you spent on the hunting gear, ammo, rifle, permit, lease, etc...you could have very well bought a cow and had it slaughtered, or went to the grocery store."

My rebuttal:
Actually (in a relative sense) I did buy the cow.
I would have a higher cost of taking one of our own cattle for meat. We are already at a loss on some of them with the cost of fuel, feed, medicine, etc. Not to mention our time and labor and employee's labor cost involved. We are trying to hold out as many as we can to bring the herd back up and sell at a better price. Even though we raise beef cattle, I prefer the taste of venison. When we do slaughter an animal, we divide it among family and friends, whoever needs it the most. If someone kills a deer in our family, the call goes out and whoever (friend, family, or otherwise) has the greatest need gets the first cut.

My conclusions:

Your not believing my statement would constitute you thinking it was false, or my actions false, therefore a lie.

As far as serial killer or psychopath, I don't know. You can determine that better than I can.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

I am relaxed, dude.

And why we are still talking about this? I don't know. I have already said I was just testing the waters with responses.

Anyway, if I hurt your feelings about calling you a liar, my bad.

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from lawman328 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Kill4Fun you got the question wrong! Did you not read the whole post?

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from Archery 101 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Hey Kill4Fun, I live on a beef farm and would you rather pay around $1000 for a steer or go hunting and get a rifle passed down to you, pay around $20 for bullets, $30 for tags and harvest a few deer that could feed your family for quite awhile. I think you are a liar.

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from Archery 101 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Hey Kill4Fun, I live on a beef farm and would you rather pay around $1000 for a steer or go hunting and get a rifle passed down to you, pay around $20 for bullets, $30 for tags and harvest a few deer that could feed your family for quite awhile. I think you are a liar.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Whaaaaa.....

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from GreatWhiteBuffalo wrote 4 years 25 weeks ago

"Personally, I don't like the way the meat tastes and I have no need to mount a head on my wall"

Then you have absolutely no reason to hunt. There are laws in many states against wasting game, and fellow hunters will not treat you with any respect if you kill just to kill.

"If that don't suit you then maybe you could check out a book by Col. John Grossmen (I think thats his name) titled "On Killing""

Maybe you should read this book. It has a reading from All Quiet on the Western Front that shows the thoughts of a man caught in a trench under heavy fire, with only a dead comrade to speak with.

Once you experience the feeling of others shooting at YOU, you will think again about shooting an animal, ESPECIALLY FOR FUN, because you know what it feels like.

You don't speak like any military man I have ever talked to. I know Vietnam and Korea vets, and they actually understood what it was to kill. You are green. You have not killed. It is not what it is in games in movies. Im 15 years old, yet I've killed more than many people have at my age. And I did so with respect.

If you want to kill, stay where you are IF you ARE a soldier, and hunt the ultimate hunter, MAN. I can assure you, once you pull the trigger on a man, you will be changed. But you don't sound like a soldier.

You sound like a kid of my generation. Except you belong in the immature crowd. Waste an animal, and see what others and even the LAW thinks about it.

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from GreatWhiteBuffalo wrote 4 years 25 weeks ago

"Personally, I don't like the way the meat tastes and I have no need to mount a head on my wall"

Then you have absolutely no reason to hunt. There are laws in many states against wasting game, and fellow hunters will not treat you with any respect if you kill just to kill.

"If that don't suit you then maybe you could check out a book by Col. John Grossmen (I think thats his name) titled "On Killing""

Maybe you should read this book. It has a reading from All Quiet on the Western Front that shows the thoughts of a man caught in a trench under heavy fire, with only a dead comrade to speak with.

Once you experience the feeling of others shooting at YOU, you will think again about shooting an animal, ESPECIALLY FOR FUN, because you know what it feels like.

You don't speak like any military man I have ever talked to. I know Vietnam and Korea vets, and they actually understood what it was to kill. You are green. You have not killed. It is not what it is in games in movies. Im 15 years old, yet I've killed more than many people have at my age. And I did so with respect.

If you want to kill, stay where you are IF you ARE a soldier, and hunt the ultimate hunter, MAN. I can assure you, once you pull the trigger on a man, you will be changed. But you don't sound like a soldier.

You sound like a kid of my generation. Except you belong in the immature crowd. Waste an animal, and see what others and even the LAW thinks about it.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Hunting just to kill is wrong. I'm guessing you're just a kid. You should talk to your guidance counselor or a doctor about your bloodlust. This is not what we hunters are about.

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from lawman328 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Whats your MOS? Your in Afghanistan, and don't have the opportunity to hunt something that hunts back? Maybe you should look into re-upping in something other then a REMF MOS.
I'm sure your posts are just for shock factor and to get a rise out of this forum, or maybe just for you and the other supply guys, or cooks, or clerk typist, to have a good chuckle, if not then you sound like your in need of a long stay in a soft room. Maybe your trying to get out on a Mental discharge. If not step up goto SF or Ranger school, try 11B or sniper school or something that your talents and mind set of a warrior might do some good.
Most hunters don't kill to just kill, I know some that have/do and I hold them in very low reguard.
If you need the rush to just kill your in the right place, and maybe it could be a service to your country.
If this isn't a joke, then there are places you can go, not to just kill, but like on safari, I know that the people of the area tribs and villages eat alot of meat from Hunters that they wouldn't normaly get.
I know that meat probably ain't comming into the US(not for sure on this), so basicly I guess that it is mostly trophy hunting of dangerous game for sport.
Maybe you could look into a slaughter house.

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from Archery 101 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Kill4Fun, you are crazy for your comment that you sent to lawman328. Sure deer aren't going to settle down or anything but they do play a huge part in our ecosystem. If you went out and killed every deer, it would cause a huge disaster because then say the coyotes for example would have no food so they would die off which would allow other species to over populate and then die from starvation and sickness. They do have a reason to live or else they would mess up the food chain. Also, I'm pretty sure that a fawn would care if you killed its mother because it would have no protection and would more than likely die. You probally don't even care that I'm lecturing to you though because you would enjoy to see all of the animals die.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

I own a retail business and had to basically stop paying myself to be able to keep the employees that make my business viable. We have lived off my wife's meager salary for the past year and then some, and have cut back in ways I've only ever heard the old-timers talk about (Great Depression). My employees understand, and they have taken deep cuts as well. As for buying food, lets be real. Nobody can totally stop buying food. But 12 GA deer tags x amt of venison = full freezers for greater part of a year, probably more. I took 4 does, no bucks last year. This year I will see what happens. My wife may hunt also.

I don't pay anyone to process the meat- I do it myself like I always have. Ga lic./tags were $55 for the one I buy. I reload my own ammo. Even counting fuel cost I figure I will be less than $1/lb. Maybe a good bit less. So that will be how it is for us this year.

My truck is 10 years old and has 237K miles on it. My rifles I will use are either 3 years old, 20 years old, or 63 years old.
We have made it to the point where we have nothing but a house payment and a power bill. I will not borrow any money. That will only exacerbate the problems.

As for the cows, our family collectively owns a farm and we have some cattle. We have already butchered one cow this year but we will try not to do two. After all, we have to have income coming in to make the farm go. I hunt mostly on our place and I have 3 other tracts I have permission to hunt. I won't go into farmers have done to have to make it this year. Anyone who knows, knows.
As for leasing hunting property, I have only been a member of a club once in my 41 years. That was 25 years ago.

There's my lie. You called me out on it. I think I have amply explained myself.

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from Big O wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

You could take up coyote hunting !
No meat to waste, no head to mount and they need killing.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Lawman I'm 1000% right there with you - I grew up in a military family, however I didn't serve myself. I have never met a military person who didn't see things they didn't want to see, and while I hear of them, I have never met a military or former military person who relished a kill for no reason. I only speak from my personal experience. Most every Vet I know has an even higher regard for life and has honorable ethics.

I have to admit at first I thought he was one of the anti- folks trying to get an off-balance response from somebody. After he started rolling I dunno.........I was and am confounded.

To the person posting:
Your name isn't Kill4Fun anymore than mine is.
Nobody here is against you. Far from it. We are (I am) dumbfounded,confused by your revelations, yet I sense something else in there. Like I said before I'm not the pshrink you want. But I will put in an extra heavy-duty prayer for you. You have bigger things to work out than hunting or killing.

We are here without hatred if you want a start in a different direction. God bless.

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from Archery 101 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Also don't hate the Army Kill4Fun. I really appreciate your service to our country. God Bless.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Dang redneck. You could be my freakin twin except my truck has 276K and is 12 years old.

I'll play kill4fun's little game. The person you make yourself out to be does exist. Sadly, there are people whom take to the woods and kill animals for the fun of it. They can be anyone from any walk of life and it is difficult to tell whom they are. The mistake you are making is associating them with us. We are hunters. We have rules, morals and ethics. We live for sunrises, cold feet and long hours in the stand. We love our adventures, regardless of success and are eager to share them with one another. We have hunters remorse. Speaking for myself I do feel sad at the death of a wonderful creature but I understand the cycle of life and was honored to take part. I respect the animals that I have killed.

We are hunters.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

On one hand I'm glad to have explained myself. On the other hand being called a liar just to satisfy someones curiosity rates low. I did honestly pray for you. You obviously need more.

Sorry, I'm not in the mindphuck business.

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from lawman328 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Most Serial Killers, and Physcopaths in their twisted minds come to answer that question with the following: She went home and killed her sister because the love of her life was either family, or a friend of the family, and in her mind she knew that if she killed a family member he would show up to the funeral again! (which in their minds seems reasonable)
So you got that going for you!

Keep them weapons rolling for them boys, Stay Safe!

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

PETA/ALF plant

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from lawman328 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

My bad I thought there for a min. that maybe we all just missunderstood you, and you were having trouble articulating yourself, or joking around. But I think that it's painfully eveident that you do need to talk with someone, maybe a chaplin can talk with you and maybe give you the answers and insight that you are looking for. The other four members of this forum that have posted, i'm sure will and if not, know that I will, be prying for you.
If that don't suit you then maybe you could check out a book by Col. John Grossmen (I think thats his name) titled "On Killing"
But I don't think you'll get the acceptence that your looking for from most hunters, but I Don't Speak For Field & Stream so post away!

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from victorytw228 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Have your family buy you a xbox or playstation (your choice) and cabelas deer hunter, or cabelas dangerous hunts, or cabelas african safari. Have them mail it to you, then you can kill as much as your little heart wants. But if your looking for someone to agree with you on killing an animal just to kill, your on the wrong website. Most of these guys and girls were raised to respect their kills.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Kill4Fun-
I think most hunters do not hunt to merely "kill something", but I don't speak for everyone; Just myself.
My hunting began with small game, and since then killing has taken on new meaning to me...that was approximately 40 years ago. It had a lasting impression on me beyond words. Ok, you don't eat venison, but that can be eaten by someone else to avoid waste.
I have no doubt that you have spoken to others that feel the same way as you do on this subject, but for me hunting is not only about the kill because most hunting doesn't end in a dead animal.Death,and birth, are facts in nature all of us are captive to experience. Part of ethical hunting is to respect animals, and dispatch them as quickly as possible. Bottom line; Having a "need" to kill is not part of my hunting ethics.

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from rootju wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

If you are serious about killing something that hunts you back, you will need to spend money. First off, to kill a deer just to kill a deer isn't right, but you could donate the meat. Now back to killing something that will hunt you. The only animal know to hunt man is a polar bear. Go try to do that, spend the money. And if you don't want the mount, donate it to a museum. However once again, killing something, just to kill it and leave it lay is wrong in EVERY, and I mean EVERY hunter's mind. Unless of course it is a yote or something along those lines.

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from Big O wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

No one said that !
lawman was just responding to the "question" about the "killer" sister. Relax dude O.K. ?

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

My statements:

"If I choose to take an animal, I am doing it for purpose. This year feeding my family is high priority. We'll use the meat since the economy has hit us so bad."

Yours:

"If you say that you kill to provide food for your family, I do not believe you. I do believe that you bring the food for your family and eat it. But, with the money you spent on the hunting gear, ammo, rifle, permit, lease, etc...you could have very well bought a cow and had it slaughtered, or went to the grocery store."

My rebuttal:
Actually (in a relative sense) I did buy the cow.
I would have a higher cost of taking one of our own cattle for meat. We are already at a loss on some of them with the cost of fuel, feed, medicine, etc. Not to mention our time and labor and employee's labor cost involved. We are trying to hold out as many as we can to bring the herd back up and sell at a better price. Even though we raise beef cattle, I prefer the taste of venison. When we do slaughter an animal, we divide it among family and friends, whoever needs it the most. If someone kills a deer in our family, the call goes out and whoever (friend, family, or otherwise) has the greatest need gets the first cut.

My conclusions:

Your not believing my statement would constitute you thinking it was false, or my actions false, therefore a lie.

As far as serial killer or psychopath, I don't know. You can determine that better than I can.

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from Archery 101 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Hey Kill4Fun, I live on a beef farm and would you rather pay around $1000 for a steer or go hunting and get a rifle passed down to you, pay around $20 for bullets, $30 for tags and harvest a few deer that could feed your family for quite awhile. I think you are a liar.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

What's your unit if you don't mind my asking?

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Let me guess. You could tell me, but then you'd have to kill me, right?

Look, I was just asking as for reference. 82nd, 10th Mtn, etc. I mean, if you are Secret Squirrel it doesn't matter.

I'm just trying to get a fix on why you are approaching this the way you are. I got started hunting when I was a young boy. Hunting has evolved a lot for me, but I don't think I have ever wanted to kill for the sake of killing. I enjoy the outdoors. I'd rather sit in a deer stand in the summer heat watching animals than go to the beach. So I guess that makes me messed up. If I choose to take an animal, I am doing it for purpose. This year feeding my family is high priority. We'll use the meat since the economy has hit us so bad.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

I'm not a pshrink, and it's not my job to say anything is wrong with you. I disagree with your motivation for hunting. That doesn't make me judgmental or mean I'm ranting. I would submit that if you are going to hunt something, let it be for a purpose. If it is only for the kill, and you don't have anyone to share the meat with, why take that animal's life? Does it need killing? Is it a threat or a pest? Does your life depend on it? Your reason may be one I don't get, but let there be a good reason to do it, not just to prove you are Davy Crockett.

For that matter I probably don't agree with everyone on this site about their motivation for hunting and killing. There are plenty of folks that probably think my rationale is f****d.

I appreciate your service for our country, whatever branch you are in. If you are out in it, stay safe & God Bless.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Well, why are you still writing? Nobody has agreed with your rationale yet.

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from lawman328 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

So Kill4Fun how do you feel about the responses you received?
What would you tell your freinds about the people on this forum?
Are you a service member on deployment?
Have you deer hunted more then once with the idiot?

Could you answer the following question?
A woman goes to a funeral for her Aunt and meets the love of her life. She knows he is the one, but fails to get any of his information before he leaves, so she goes home that night and kills her sister.
Why did she kill her sister?

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from lawman328 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Kill4Fun you got the question wrong! Did you not read the whole post?

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from Archery 101 wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Hey Kill4Fun, I live on a beef farm and would you rather pay around $1000 for a steer or go hunting and get a rifle passed down to you, pay around $20 for bullets, $30 for tags and harvest a few deer that could feed your family for quite awhile. I think you are a liar.

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from GreatWhiteBuffalo wrote 4 years 25 weeks ago

"Personally, I don't like the way the meat tastes and I have no need to mount a head on my wall"

Then you have absolutely no reason to hunt. There are laws in many states against wasting game, and fellow hunters will not treat you with any respect if you kill just to kill.

"If that don't suit you then maybe you could check out a book by Col. John Grossmen (I think thats his name) titled "On Killing""

Maybe you should read this book. It has a reading from All Quiet on the Western Front that shows the thoughts of a man caught in a trench under heavy fire, with only a dead comrade to speak with.

Once you experience the feeling of others shooting at YOU, you will think again about shooting an animal, ESPECIALLY FOR FUN, because you know what it feels like.

You don't speak like any military man I have ever talked to. I know Vietnam and Korea vets, and they actually understood what it was to kill. You are green. You have not killed. It is not what it is in games in movies. Im 15 years old, yet I've killed more than many people have at my age. And I did so with respect.

If you want to kill, stay where you are IF you ARE a soldier, and hunt the ultimate hunter, MAN. I can assure you, once you pull the trigger on a man, you will be changed. But you don't sound like a soldier.

You sound like a kid of my generation. Except you belong in the immature crowd. Waste an animal, and see what others and even the LAW thinks about it.

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from GreatWhiteBuffalo wrote 4 years 25 weeks ago

"Personally, I don't like the way the meat tastes and I have no need to mount a head on my wall"

Then you have absolutely no reason to hunt. There are laws in many states against wasting game, and fellow hunters will not treat you with any respect if you kill just to kill.

"If that don't suit you then maybe you could check out a book by Col. John Grossmen (I think thats his name) titled "On Killing""

Maybe you should read this book. It has a reading from All Quiet on the Western Front that shows the thoughts of a man caught in a trench under heavy fire, with only a dead comrade to speak with.

Once you experience the feeling of others shooting at YOU, you will think again about shooting an animal, ESPECIALLY FOR FUN, because you know what it feels like.

You don't speak like any military man I have ever talked to. I know Vietnam and Korea vets, and they actually understood what it was to kill. You are green. You have not killed. It is not what it is in games in movies. Im 15 years old, yet I've killed more than many people have at my age. And I did so with respect.

If you want to kill, stay where you are IF you ARE a soldier, and hunt the ultimate hunter, MAN. I can assure you, once you pull the trigger on a man, you will be changed. But you don't sound like a soldier.

You sound like a kid of my generation. Except you belong in the immature crowd. Waste an animal, and see what others and even the LAW thinks about it.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

What about them sgaredneck? They are a bunch of pu$$ies if you ask me.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

I understand your concerns about my mental state, I really do, but as I have stated before, I need not talk to anyone, as I feel perfectly fine. I have talked to other service members about this before and found out that many of them share my thoughts on the subject. Now, that being said; I never said that I wanted to kill every animal out there and I know that every animal is part of the ecosystem. I merely stated that I do enjoy a nice kill and have no nead for the trophy or meat. And, if you want to be truly honest, everyone kills deer for other reasons. If you say that you kill to provide food for your family, I do not believe you. I do believe that you bring the food for your family and eat it. But, with the money you spent on the hunting gear, ammo, rifle, permit, lease, etc...you could have very well bought a cow and had it slaughtered, or went to the grocery store. It is an undescribable feel for me to put my crosshairs on that animal and squeeze the trigger. It is as if nothing else in the world matters, I am at total peace for that split second. I also appreciate your prayers as well, as I am a christian. And, many thanks your appreciation of my service.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

I would feel more educated about the bond between hunters and the need for compasion.
I would tell my friends that I met some very intelligent and wholesome people on this forum that I would like to get to know better.
I am actually deployed in Afghanistan. I repair weapons for the US Army. I am very familiar with the M16A2 (AR15 for civilians) along with various other weapon systems.
No, I never wanted to hunt with that idiot ever again. He had a .30-06 and he gave me a duck shotgun with slugs to hung with. We hunted from a ground blind that only had about 30 feet in front of it before the dense woods.
She killed her sister because she was married to the love of her life?

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

No, it is not like that. All I will tell you is that currently I am deployed to Afghanistan. You may never be able to get a "fix" on my approach either, as I feel there is nothing wrong with me. There are numerous people in the world with the same thoughts that I have, most of which would not voice these thoughts. I however, do, and that apparently makes me different or "crazy" or whatever. I did not do a lot of hunting as a child, but as far as I can remember, I always enjoyed killing an animal. Maybe it is just something about the power over the animal that I enjoy. And, before you rant about "well, you have a gun...etc," I have killed animals in many ways. Once, I set a snare trap and caught a racoon, then killed it with a knife. I also enjoy being in the wilderness instead of a beach somewhere. As far as the need to kill, I have none, the US Army provides my family with all the money/items that we could ask for, so I don't need to kill to eat. Now, to ease some opinions, I have no problem giving my kill to someone that would appreciate it, but if I hunt alone, NO, I wouldn't go out of my way and bring it along.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Ok. I've let this go long enough. I have never and will never kill anything just for the fun of it. I just know that there are people out there that do this kind of hunting. I just wanted to see the response that these type of people would receive. I was not lying about not liking the meat though. I have had some venison chili before and it was pretty good. I guess I just haven't had the right person prepare it. I also do not keep the trophy when I hunt, unless, as I said, it is something I feel is "worth" keeping. When I kill, since I do not eat it, I always have a friend or place that I take it so it is not wasted. I would like to thank you guys that commented out of rational instead of hate/emotion. I very much respect the animals that I hunt.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

I am relaxed, dude.

And why we are still talking about this? I don't know. I have already said I was just testing the waters with responses.

Anyway, if I hurt your feelings about calling you a liar, my bad.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

lawman328, you are just the person that I make reference to in my previous posts. You think just because I want to kill a deer just for the fun of killing it, that I am mental. I am of sound mind and body, I just want to see the life drain from animals. Did they deserve to die? Sure, why not? What else do they have to live for? Are they going to get a job, settle down with a family? No. They do not care, they do not have feelings. If I shoot a deers mother, do you think the baby deer is like: "OMG you shot my mom...waaaa" Uhh...NO. It does what it always has and will do, which is eat, sleep, and produce waste. Personally, I don't care what regard you hold anyone with my same thoughts.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

sgaredneck, I never called you a liar. If you read the thread, I just said that I personally didn't believe that was the case.

So, I guess i'm a serial killer/physcopath.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Whaaaaa.....

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

No. I am not a kid actually. I am 28, and in the Army. I don't need to talk to a counselor or a doctor about my so-called "bloodlust" either. This is just the way I feel. Personally, I don't like the way the meat tastes and I have no need to mount a head on my wall. Also, the way you refer to hunters as "we hunters" suggests that all hunters are some sort of clan or are in some way equal. That is not the case. As humans, we all feel to some degree the need to take life at some point. Just because I want to kill for fun, doesn't make me any less humanne that any other "hunter" out there. Who is to say that killing just to kill is wrong anyway? You? If you were raised in a society that kills just for the kill, how would you know that what you were doing is wrong? We are raised on certain beliefs and morals as children to think that what our parents say is right. I believe that we all must decide what we believe is "right and wrong." So, no, I have no problem with killing just for the fun of it.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

I have no problem with coyote hunting or any other hunting. I would actually like to go bear hunting. I just want to use my shooting skills and kill something. I would actually prefer to hunt something that is worthy of hunting. Something that can hunt back.

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from Kill4Fun wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

I can't tell you that.

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