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Yes, as long as he knows the deer was poached--and from what I read he knew what he was doing was wrong.
Absolutely. He's just as guilty as the poachers. He should have called the game warden and reported them.
I agree with Henry 100%. It is our job as sportsmen to police and protect the sport we love!
If he knows is poached yes. I had a 190 buck I was hunting during bow season and was "shot" the 3rd day of rifle season but was frozen the 4th day when the taxidermist got it. He didn't do anything because they claimed it froze solid over night.
Darn right he should be. Its kinda like receiving stole property.
Anybody who knows anything about hunting knows that poaching is morally wrong and what the penalties for doing so are. Shame on this man for doing so. Hunters face enough challenges today and this doesn't help the cause at all. He should be charged to the full extent of the law and not be allowed to practice taxidermy again.
Nebraska has a steel tag that is attached to the antlers to show it was legally taken. What do other states do to show it is a legally taken animal? My opinion...poachers should lose legal hunting rights forever in all states.
At one time Georgia had a tag to attach to antlers now it is honor system to mark license. Not the best system. There have been several poached deer mounted in Georgia. When it was found out it was poached, mount was taken and poacher was slapped on hand. Need better laws on poaching everywhere.
I agree with Chris and Henry. He should have reported the individual to the game warden, he is just as guilty. With the White House about to have a new tenant, who doesn't share our views about gun ownership and hunting, we need to be as ethical as possible.
teebox25 is right now isnt the time for use to be screwing up the taxidermist should be charged the same as the poacher
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
I agree that the taxidermist should be punished, as should the poacher. But, how does one prove that the taxidermist KNEW that the animal was poached? The law of the land is "Innocent Until Proven Guilty". I like the idea of the steel hunting tag or some other way to permanently attach the tag to an animal, but it still comes down to "How honest is the "hunter" in question?" The only other option is to have a game manager follow us all around to make sure we all stay honest. I personally think that would suck for several reasons. One, we are all managed enough as it is; two, it would most likely raise the costs of hunting beyond what most of us could afford; and, three, I may really dislike the person, or vice-versa. (LOL)
as a younge hunter who saw a couple huge pre-season that "Dissapeared" right before the season, i'm equaly disapointed in taxidermist who mount illegal deer. However i must agree with the fact that he is truly innocent until proven guilty, but should be tried.
i think so they are just as guilty
This year I took a 5x5 bull elk during first rifle season. In Colorado, as soon as you find the animal you are to date and void your tag and appropriately attach it to your carcass. No tag and it’s not legal, that’s the first thing the processor checked. When my meat was butchered and packaged the tag was put in the top box. Now the tag is in the freezer with the rest of my elk.
Sean
If they know it is a poached deer, they should be fined the same as the person who brought the deer to them.
If he knows that it was illegally taken then yes, he should be punished.
Yes he should. It is the responsibility of the hunter to show valid proof that the deer was taken legally, i.e. a carcass tag with a valid hunt code. It is the taxidermist's responsibility to make sure that the tag is legitimate, even if that means contacting a local game warden to investigate the tag. If the taxidermist has any doubt in his mind, he should not touch the animal. It could mean his business if he is caught mounting poached animals.
Colorado has a complicity statute that makes it possible to charge anyone involved, either directly or indirectly, with a crime for such crime, even if they don't actually commit the offense.
In cases like this it is nice for us, because it helps us to make sure that our sportsmen in Colorado are not being cheated in any way. If other states do not punish taxidermists for doing such a thing, it is the law abiding sportsmen of the state that pay for it...
There was a guy who was a little off-killter and he happened upon a deer that became "poached" and he decided to give away the meat. Later he was found out when the lady who was trying to cook it was asking for reciepes for "poached" deer.
I think all parties involved should have received prison time. In the article, one person was seeking prison time for the taxidermist, but rescinded that only because the poachers didn't receive prison time. All of them should be behind bars and all hunting/taxidermy priviledges should be revoked. Ethics plays a big part into why we are hunters and why we take pride in what we do. If one hunter does wrong, the public opinion is that all hunters do this. I am not saying make a harsh example of these individuals, but make the punishment the same across the board. Not different strokes for different folks.
The government flip flops so much, there will never be justice. Here this guy is getting slammed for stuffing poached deer, yet ghetto pawn shops are allowed to do business with goods that everyone know are stolen. Another thing that gets my goat is when ghetto dwellers go out and commit these crimes without regard for the law, and when they get caught, they are allowed to go to court and request a public defender. Our taxes should not pay for their folly.
I am pretty sure in my state you have to have a deer head tagged to send it to a taxidermist. They would be easy to check so I am guessing they are pretty careful. Not many people are going to cover for a poacher anyway.
Yes the taxidermist should be held accountable if they mount an animal that had been poached and the taxidermist is aware of it. Mounting the illegally taken animal is rewarding illegal behavior. It is wrong and they should be punished as well.
they should all go to prison!
This guy acted like an accomplice. it's not a taxidermists job to play cop or game warden, but in this case, he facilitated a crime and should be punished.
Yes, for sure if they know that it has been porched.
No doubt guilty as long as he was aware the animals were poached.
Nate
I would have to agree, 110%
NO ONE SHOULD EVER GET AWAY WITH POACHING! NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, NO MATTER WHO DID WHAT, POACHING IS POACHING!
And for this taxidermist to help aid someone in that is even more wrong. Its like murdering someone and then having another person "preserve" the crime for you to look at and admire. Its kinda sick.
Im glad this man got into trouble, he deserved alot more though.
Why would they only get probation for this?! That is just not right!
naa. if he knew it was poached than yes he should be. but if he didnt know than its not his fault.
Poaching is one of the main reasons we are losing areas to hunt as well as finding it more difficult to get private land owner permission and turns public opinion against us as hunters. People are ignorant and look for any reason to accuse us for wrongdoing.
POACHERS ARE NOT HUNTERS THEY ARE THIEVES
Anyone, from the poacher, taxidermist, or those who knowingly eat a poached animal are shmucks.........
The taxidermists should be punished just as much as the poacher if he or she knows it's not a legal deer. If people know they can get away with a poached deer and have it mounted what's going to stop them from poaching another trophy deer, and having it mounted as well if neither get punished. I think it might even be a good idea to reward the taxidermists if they report a poached animal.
I tottaly agree with gobblerman.
yes I agree and in most cases 90% or better the Taxidermist will check the tag and make sure the kill was legal, checked and processed by the game and fish, however if the hunter LIES its just like prosecuting a guy for 'theft by recieving' if a hunter or theif LIES and Forges the hunting license or whatever the poor old Taxidermist must assume that it is correct. I take my stuff to the taxidermist after the season frozen with a tag. I could easily lie and say that I killed it within the week or so and it froze in my freezer. Some guys I know keep heads for a year or more. the point is IF you can prove the Taxidermist KNEW that it was illegal then YES he should be punished as much as the poacher, to include losing hunting rights and fines. BUT if the guy was lied to then NO he shouldn't be prosecuted. Innocent until proven guilty...This guy admitted to guilt so IMHO he was charged accordingly. Hunting is and always will be an honor system, those that have no honor will always be able to beat the system.
What a shame
Id much rather smash a buck with a broad head, while sitting in stand. Poachers need to get a grip on things, and become real outdoors men.
I think a poacher is more likely to shoot a buck if he know's his taxidermist will mount it w/o a tag, so he's an accessory.
I would say it is wrong for a taxidermist to mount a poached deer if he knows about it being poached.
From my experience a person will kill what they are not supposed to if they know of a taxidermist who will mount the animal. Here in WV a person is required to check in their deer and get a checking tag. A law abiding taxidermist will not even take the animal into their shop without the proper tag. We have served search warrants on taxidermists and removed many illegally killed animals. We have had taxidermist whho have been charged with dealing in illegal wildlife parts like velvet deer antlers and bear gauls. Violations of wildlife to a lot of people are not really violating the law. I battled that for 35 + years until I retired as a Conservation Officer.
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Absolutely. He's just as guilty as the poachers. He should have called the game warden and reported them.
I agree with Henry 100%. It is our job as sportsmen to police and protect the sport we love!
Darn right he should be. Its kinda like receiving stole property.
At one time Georgia had a tag to attach to antlers now it is honor system to mark license. Not the best system. There have been several poached deer mounted in Georgia. When it was found out it was poached, mount was taken and poacher was slapped on hand. Need better laws on poaching everywhere.
This guy acted like an accomplice. it's not a taxidermists job to play cop or game warden, but in this case, he facilitated a crime and should be punished.
From my experience a person will kill what they are not supposed to if they know of a taxidermist who will mount the animal. Here in WV a person is required to check in their deer and get a checking tag. A law abiding taxidermist will not even take the animal into their shop without the proper tag. We have served search warrants on taxidermists and removed many illegally killed animals. We have had taxidermist whho have been charged with dealing in illegal wildlife parts like velvet deer antlers and bear gauls. Violations of wildlife to a lot of people are not really violating the law. I battled that for 35 + years until I retired as a Conservation Officer.
Yes, as long as he knows the deer was poached--and from what I read he knew what he was doing was wrong.
If he knows is poached yes. I had a 190 buck I was hunting during bow season and was "shot" the 3rd day of rifle season but was frozen the 4th day when the taxidermist got it. He didn't do anything because they claimed it froze solid over night.
Anybody who knows anything about hunting knows that poaching is morally wrong and what the penalties for doing so are. Shame on this man for doing so. Hunters face enough challenges today and this doesn't help the cause at all. He should be charged to the full extent of the law and not be allowed to practice taxidermy again.
Nebraska has a steel tag that is attached to the antlers to show it was legally taken. What do other states do to show it is a legally taken animal? My opinion...poachers should lose legal hunting rights forever in all states.
At one time Georgia had a tag to attach to antlers now it is honor system to mark license. Not the best system. There have been several poached deer mounted in Georgia. When it was found out it was poached, mount was taken and poacher was slapped on hand. Need better laws on poaching everywhere.
I agree with Chris and Henry. He should have reported the individual to the game warden, he is just as guilty. With the White House about to have a new tenant, who doesn't share our views about gun ownership and hunting, we need to be as ethical as possible.
Yes he should. It is the responsibility of the hunter to show valid proof that the deer was taken legally, i.e. a carcass tag with a valid hunt code. It is the taxidermist's responsibility to make sure that the tag is legitimate, even if that means contacting a local game warden to investigate the tag. If the taxidermist has any doubt in his mind, he should not touch the animal. It could mean his business if he is caught mounting poached animals.
Colorado has a complicity statute that makes it possible to charge anyone involved, either directly or indirectly, with a crime for such crime, even if they don't actually commit the offense.
In cases like this it is nice for us, because it helps us to make sure that our sportsmen in Colorado are not being cheated in any way. If other states do not punish taxidermists for doing such a thing, it is the law abiding sportsmen of the state that pay for it...
I am pretty sure in my state you have to have a deer head tagged to send it to a taxidermist. They would be easy to check so I am guessing they are pretty careful. Not many people are going to cover for a poacher anyway.
Yes the taxidermist should be held accountable if they mount an animal that had been poached and the taxidermist is aware of it. Mounting the illegally taken animal is rewarding illegal behavior. It is wrong and they should be punished as well.
No doubt guilty as long as he was aware the animals were poached.
Nate
naa. if he knew it was poached than yes he should be. but if he didnt know than its not his fault.
Poaching is one of the main reasons we are losing areas to hunt as well as finding it more difficult to get private land owner permission and turns public opinion against us as hunters. People are ignorant and look for any reason to accuse us for wrongdoing.
POACHERS ARE NOT HUNTERS THEY ARE THIEVES
Anyone, from the poacher, taxidermist, or those who knowingly eat a poached animal are shmucks.........
teebox25 is right now isnt the time for use to be screwing up the taxidermist should be charged the same as the poacher
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
The taxidermist is at fault as much as the Poacher.I think he should have just about as much as punishment as the poacher.
I agree that the taxidermist should be punished, as should the poacher. But, how does one prove that the taxidermist KNEW that the animal was poached? The law of the land is "Innocent Until Proven Guilty". I like the idea of the steel hunting tag or some other way to permanently attach the tag to an animal, but it still comes down to "How honest is the "hunter" in question?" The only other option is to have a game manager follow us all around to make sure we all stay honest. I personally think that would suck for several reasons. One, we are all managed enough as it is; two, it would most likely raise the costs of hunting beyond what most of us could afford; and, three, I may really dislike the person, or vice-versa. (LOL)
as a younge hunter who saw a couple huge pre-season that "Dissapeared" right before the season, i'm equaly disapointed in taxidermist who mount illegal deer. However i must agree with the fact that he is truly innocent until proven guilty, but should be tried.
i think so they are just as guilty
This year I took a 5x5 bull elk during first rifle season. In Colorado, as soon as you find the animal you are to date and void your tag and appropriately attach it to your carcass. No tag and it’s not legal, that’s the first thing the processor checked. When my meat was butchered and packaged the tag was put in the top box. Now the tag is in the freezer with the rest of my elk.
Sean
If they know it is a poached deer, they should be fined the same as the person who brought the deer to them.
If he knows that it was illegally taken then yes, he should be punished.
There was a guy who was a little off-killter and he happened upon a deer that became "poached" and he decided to give away the meat. Later he was found out when the lady who was trying to cook it was asking for reciepes for "poached" deer.
I think all parties involved should have received prison time. In the article, one person was seeking prison time for the taxidermist, but rescinded that only because the poachers didn't receive prison time. All of them should be behind bars and all hunting/taxidermy priviledges should be revoked. Ethics plays a big part into why we are hunters and why we take pride in what we do. If one hunter does wrong, the public opinion is that all hunters do this. I am not saying make a harsh example of these individuals, but make the punishment the same across the board. Not different strokes for different folks.
The government flip flops so much, there will never be justice. Here this guy is getting slammed for stuffing poached deer, yet ghetto pawn shops are allowed to do business with goods that everyone know are stolen. Another thing that gets my goat is when ghetto dwellers go out and commit these crimes without regard for the law, and when they get caught, they are allowed to go to court and request a public defender. Our taxes should not pay for their folly.
they should all go to prison!
Yes, for sure if they know that it has been porched.
I would have to agree, 110%
NO ONE SHOULD EVER GET AWAY WITH POACHING! NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, NO MATTER WHO DID WHAT, POACHING IS POACHING!
And for this taxidermist to help aid someone in that is even more wrong. Its like murdering someone and then having another person "preserve" the crime for you to look at and admire. Its kinda sick.
Im glad this man got into trouble, he deserved alot more though.
Why would they only get probation for this?! That is just not right!
The taxidermists should be punished just as much as the poacher if he or she knows it's not a legal deer. If people know they can get away with a poached deer and have it mounted what's going to stop them from poaching another trophy deer, and having it mounted as well if neither get punished. I think it might even be a good idea to reward the taxidermists if they report a poached animal.
I tottaly agree with gobblerman.
yes I agree and in most cases 90% or better the Taxidermist will check the tag and make sure the kill was legal, checked and processed by the game and fish, however if the hunter LIES its just like prosecuting a guy for 'theft by recieving' if a hunter or theif LIES and Forges the hunting license or whatever the poor old Taxidermist must assume that it is correct. I take my stuff to the taxidermist after the season frozen with a tag. I could easily lie and say that I killed it within the week or so and it froze in my freezer. Some guys I know keep heads for a year or more. the point is IF you can prove the Taxidermist KNEW that it was illegal then YES he should be punished as much as the poacher, to include losing hunting rights and fines. BUT if the guy was lied to then NO he shouldn't be prosecuted. Innocent until proven guilty...This guy admitted to guilt so IMHO he was charged accordingly. Hunting is and always will be an honor system, those that have no honor will always be able to beat the system.
What a shame
Id much rather smash a buck with a broad head, while sitting in stand. Poachers need to get a grip on things, and become real outdoors men.
I think a poacher is more likely to shoot a buck if he know's his taxidermist will mount it w/o a tag, so he's an accessory.
I would say it is wrong for a taxidermist to mount a poached deer if he knows about it being poached.
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