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What's Up with Pennsylvania

Uploaded on May 18, 2009

I refrained from placing this question in Backlash and Blowback because I am not angry. Additionally, I in no way want to cast any dispersions on the good people living in the Keystone State as I have many friends there. I ask this question because this issue has arisen as sort of an aside in other threads.
What is wrong with either the legislators or the Pennsylvania Dept. of Fish and Wildlife that caused whomever to decide to prohibit the use of semi-automatic rifles for hunting?
I would understand if all hunting with rifles was prohibited due to population densities and safety issues as is the case in some other states. If bolt action rifles are permitted however, then there is really no justification for prohibiting semi-auto rifles. I completely reject the "its more sporting" argument because that is patently untrue besides being a big ball of cheese. Other states like NY allow semi-autos for hunting and to address the "sporting issue" restrict magazine capacity to 5 rounds. There is no proof (at least that I have found) that a semi-automatic rifle presents a significant advantage over a skilled rifleman with a bolt action weapon.
I am not a resident of Pennsylvania; I am concerned however as a hunter that my own state and possibly others may look at adopting this lunatic policy as a backdoor effort at gun control. It seems to me that without any empirical data to back up this policy, the good people of Pennsylvania could challenge this policy as a Second Amendment issue. Maybe the majority of people that hunt there do not like semi-auto rifles although the people I am acquainted with have nothing against them. Can anyone else shed some light into this matter?

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I've hunted there for twenty-some odd years, and it's always been that way. I don't believe its a gun-control issue because PA ain't bad in that regard. I'd bet Pa ain't the only state that allows rifles but not semis. Curious. You see a lot of bolt's, pumps and leverguns in the PA woods. Personally it never bothered me.

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from JohnR wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I was simply curious as to what the rationale was. I'll have to do some research and determine what other states also prohibit semi-auto rifles. Interesting, and thanks for your insight.

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from rocketman121 wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I know Texas is still free! I know some states ban all rifles (mostly the flat states) since the round would travel considerable distance before stopping. They do allow shotgun hunting though.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I think that the Pennsylvania rule has kept the Remington 7600 and earlier pump action rifles in production! There are lots of deer and deer hunters in PA. Tou can hardly drive a mile on the interstates without seeing a dead deer.

I went to a gun show at a National Guard Armory in PA a few years ago and man, did they have the Remington 76, 762, and 7600 model rifles! Tables and tables of them. Wow!

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

WaMtnhunter,
Yeah, a lot of my hunting buddies and campmates shoot 7600's. They sell well, at a premium, in Pa. They preform well too as hunting rifles go.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I think there are more than a few folks in western Washington and Oregon that use the 7600 rifles for hunting in thick timber for blacktails and elk. A friend of mine has an early 60's 742 in .30-06 and I have shot it at the range and it is a MOA rifle for sure with 180 gr. Core Lokt's. My brother has several of them in .270, .30-06, and .35 Whelen. I have never had them high on my personal list, but would buy one in a heartbeat if the price was right.

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

Born and raised in PA then moved to Ohio 10 years ago. not sure why they have the ban on semi-autos. As a result I've always used pumps or lever actions and love 'em. This restriction has been in place so long you don't need to worry about your state regulators changing your regulations. "Pensy" is just backwards in this regard.

The REAL problem with PA are the Blue Laws (i.e. NO hunting on Sunday).

Aside from being too damn flat, Ohio changed their regulations about seven years ago to allow hunting on Sunday and it has made a great, positive difference in my life.

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from Devil_Dog wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Thank you Scott in Ohio, PA needs to drop the outdated Blue Laws.
I think the bigger hot-button issue here is the hi-jacking of the Game Commission's regulatroy authority by state legislators.

For starters those ridiculous unified sportsman need to stop suing the state for selling to many doe tags. Two, state legislators denying the Game Commission's budget requests unless they do as the legislators please, needs to stop now! Sound science is getting over run by greed and arrogance.

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Devil Dog,

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let the damn biologists and naturalists (who are educated and have the appropriate credentials) do their jobs!!!!!

I have not missed the PA opening day of buck more than 2 times in 25 years. Our camp in Forest County has noticed a drop in the number of deer we see in the woods, but the racks are MUCH bigger.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

The fact is in the hands or the common Joe Hunter there is advantage using a semi-automatic rifle over a skilled rifleman with a bolt action and I can attest to that fact specializing in Civilian and Military Service Rifle Competition including a former (none volunteer but I did so willingly) of Director for High Power Competition for the largest Club in Alaska and I respectively challenge anyone including Pennsylvania Officials or anyone else to prove me wrong. In fact I find the opposite to be true!

It’s nothing but a ploy to push their own self righteous European agenda and besides, will someone explain to me as of 1991 every person that went over Niagara Falls ether accidently or on purpose was from Pennsylvania!

By the way, I figured out how the names of towns in Pennsylvania received names you cannot pronounce. Those Town names came from Librarians who got drunk one night playing the game SCRABBLE!

“What luck for the rulers that men do not think.”
-Adolf Hitler

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

What the hell is going on here!

Got to find how to turn off the auto complete or whatever you call it!

The fact is in the hands of the common Joe Hunter there is no advantage using a semi-automatic rifle over a skilled rifleman with a bolt action and I can attest to that fact specializing in Civilian and Military Service Rifle Competition including a former (none volunteer but I did so willingly) of Director for High Power Competition for the largest Club in Alaska and I respectively challenge anyone including Pennsylvania Officials or anyone else to prove me wrong. In fact I find the opposite to be true!

It’s nothing but a ploy to push their own self righteous European agenda and besides, will someone explain to me as of 1991 every person that went over Niagara Falls ether accidently or on purpose was from Pennsylvania!
By the way, I figured out how the names of towns in Pennsylvania received names you cannot pronounce. Those Town names came from Librarians who got drunk one night playing the game SCRABBLE!

“What luck for the rulers that men do not think.”
-Adolf Hitler

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

In Arizona the law says magazine capacity no more than five. Back in 94 I called Arizona Game and Fish and asked if a M1 Grand which doesn’t have a “MAGAZINE” instead has a clip of 8 still under that ruling? The Officer on the other end said, I never thought of it that way, it would be interesting to see how it would play out in the court but said I had a valid point!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

FOOD 4 2 DINK ABOUT!

Now here is a question to ponder on?

If you modify to disable the semi auto function requiring the bolt to be cycled by hand, is it still a Semi Auto or now a bolt gun?

It looks like a full auto, but it has semi auto only function or it looks semi auto, but its bolt action function!

A truck has either a manual or automatic transmission, but it’s still a truck!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Historically speaking, Penn state enacted this rule years ago in helping to "dissuade" the ownership of semiauto weapons. You see they, auto rifles, are considered "military" in function and the legislators at the time thought it best to enact hunting rules that would directly reduce the ownership of these weapons to the general public.
I KNOW it sounds dumb, but that's how it happened!
This is similar to the 3 shot(plug)rule with migratory game birds. When double barrel shotguns were the norm, and pump guns came along with 5 shot capacity; the double followers screamed "FOWL"(pun intended)saying the pump shooters had an unfair advantage in taking birds...NO GAME/BAG LIMITS BACK THEN, so the Game and Fish depts enacted the 3 shot law in "fairness" to double shooters.
Silly, but TRUE!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

I must say passing thru Pennsylvania hundreds of times is beautiful State, just full of mindless gnomes!

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

I think that it's a good thing for deer because where my camp is, we're just starting to get our herd back after 10 years of having 1-2 deer shot each season. The only reason alot of deer survive is because people cannot eject a shell in time. I think it adds to the excitement of hunting when you have to eject after you miss that big buck instead of just squeezing 5 shots off in 5 seconds.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Skeeb

Two of my Expert Specialties are in NRA Long Range Service Rifle Competition and hosting and running NRA Long Range Service Rifle Competition.

I have found to be a fact a “Bolt Gun Shooter” can shoot just as good if not better than one shooting Semi-Auto. In fact, those shooting Semi-Auto especially Full Auto misses more than a bolt gun shooter.

It’s called “BUCK FEVER”!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Yeah, the Pennsylvania law on autoloaders goes way back. After having seen some PA hunters in action (not all, mind you), I'm glad they don't come out West with autoloaders! BTW, I can cycle my bolt gun about as fast as you can get back on target with the autoloader. Takes a little practice though.

Practice? What a concept!

WMH

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from JohnR wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

I shoot both, but it rarely takes more than one shot if your shot placement is spot on. I have seen several deer at a time milling about in a field during the evening feeding. I have shot one, and the others just move off a bit and go back to feeding. It's times like that when a single shot Ruger # 1 is plenty of rifle.
I had my suspicions, and I think Ralph the Rifleman said it well. It is more to do with eliminating the use and therefore the need for semi-autos than any consideration of wildlife management. Sort of like "Hey, what do you need a semi-auto for anyway; you can't hunt with it!"
Backdoor gun control.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Damn, i'm glad i'm not from pennsy or i might be offended.

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from Teodoro wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

The really annoying part is that you can't use any semi-auto, which means no semi-auto .22 for squirrels, even though semi-auto rimfires are more common than dirt.

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from j1 wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

We Pennsylvanians merely shoot better and do not require more than one shot to do the job, so why carry a semi automatic so reminiscent of a machine gun while hunting. Shoot more and shoot well.

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from j1 wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

Hey Teodoro,

You CAN shoot semi auto shotguns in Pa, so you go figure it out.

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from Teodoro wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

j1,

Good point. I should have said no semi-auto rifles. I stand corrected, and I agree it's an odd contradiction.

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from huntcamp wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

It is just a form of gun control. Our wonderful state government here in WI tried passing that here about 8 or so yeards ago. It failed with flying colors. The voter turnout was huge in our favor. It would and will be only a matter of time before they just go down the line. This year semi's next pumps and so on. I have a semi and love it, they have their advantages and their disadvantages. If you think anybody can fire 5 shots in one second accurately with a high pwered semi, you should try it, it is not possible unless gun is bolted down. I hunt a very hilly and full of trees area. There is one ravine that if a deer goes down there to die it takes 3 people and a lot of sweat and 2 hours to drag it back up. Bolts can be just as quick, but i like semis can find another shooting lane with less distractions. One example shot 180 pound 8 pt at 8:30 in morning and with the help of two others got him out at 12:30. Only dragged 75 yards.

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from runt getter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

well this is simple.Were aloud to hunt some places where it just wouldnt be safe to have some 16 year old kid blasting 5 .338 rounds over a hill into downtown pittsburgh.Most of my shots are under 100 yards.If you need a semi auto for that you need more time at a range.

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 4 years 41 weeks ago

Ralph the Rifleman,

Interesting info. Do you know how long ago the limit on semi-autos was passed?

You are from Michigan, Aren't you?

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from carl s wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

ralph the rifleman ???????the P.A.semi-auto ban has been in place LLLLLOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG before the "debate"over ar-15s and ak47s and sks ..took center stage in all our hunting and fishing mags...and...t.v. ,and radio...and uuhhh every gun show... it was the 1950s.before the great,M14 was made...

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

I like auto Shotguns, and have fired many Full Auto rifles in the
Army in a 29 year career, only I never fired on fully auto in combat, because I did not believe in the "spray and pray" method of marksmanship. For the same reason I believe even a semi-automatic rifle in the hands of someone eho only shoots during Deer or any other game season is also apt to "spray & pray"
had also pray no human is down range. Nuf said from me today.

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from carl s wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

thank you Moishe.for your service.and i agree..Nuf said.

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from JohnR wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

Moishe I agree although only in the strict connotation as you aptly stated. I must admit that there are some people with whom I would not feel comfortable hunting in a nearby area with said same people using a semi-auto. Having said that, I enjoy extreme satisfaction hunting with my military semi-autos. As I stated before I use a 5 round mag (or a 10 round mag loaded with only 5 rounds). I have never shot at a deer more that once. This issue I think is somewhat related to geography in the sense that as you so well said, there are places where the only time a person handles a rifle (or shotgun for that matter) is during hunting season. I too dislike the spray and pray mentality. I do not however yield quietly to the conventional wisdom that the good have to be penalized for the actions of the bad.

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from vtbluegrass wrote 4 years 39 weeks ago

I would say a good portion of people who hunt with semi-auto were more interested in the recoil reduction and less so having quick follow-up shots. Sometimes too its just what you got handed down; that why I hunt Marlin in 35Rem and not a bolt,pump, or semi-auto.
Semi-auto deer rifles don't sell very well at gun shops that I frequent; that does not include AR or military type semi's which sell like hotcakes. Most will not take them on trade-in or will not give much for them since they are fairly hard to move even though there are no hunting restrictions on them.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

"BASSACKWARDS" comes to mind!

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from 106473 wrote 4 years 23 weeks ago

Personally, I don't find "spray and pray" anywhere relevant in PA, if semi-auto rifles were to be unbanned. As most hunting programs I know are a bit light, when it comes to training. I see it as the responsibility of the family to teach one about hunting if you have tradition. Even as a resident of PA, ever since new regulations around here there is a drop in hunters. Though to be honest I would like to use my sks to hunt...

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from JohnR wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I was simply curious as to what the rationale was. I'll have to do some research and determine what other states also prohibit semi-auto rifles. Interesting, and thanks for your insight.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Historically speaking, Penn state enacted this rule years ago in helping to "dissuade" the ownership of semiauto weapons. You see they, auto rifles, are considered "military" in function and the legislators at the time thought it best to enact hunting rules that would directly reduce the ownership of these weapons to the general public.
I KNOW it sounds dumb, but that's how it happened!
This is similar to the 3 shot(plug)rule with migratory game birds. When double barrel shotguns were the norm, and pump guns came along with 5 shot capacity; the double followers screamed "FOWL"(pun intended)saying the pump shooters had an unfair advantage in taking birds...NO GAME/BAG LIMITS BACK THEN, so the Game and Fish depts enacted the 3 shot law in "fairness" to double shooters.
Silly, but TRUE!

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

I think that it's a good thing for deer because where my camp is, we're just starting to get our herd back after 10 years of having 1-2 deer shot each season. The only reason alot of deer survive is because people cannot eject a shell in time. I think it adds to the excitement of hunting when you have to eject after you miss that big buck instead of just squeezing 5 shots off in 5 seconds.

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from j1 wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

We Pennsylvanians merely shoot better and do not require more than one shot to do the job, so why carry a semi automatic so reminiscent of a machine gun while hunting. Shoot more and shoot well.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I think that the Pennsylvania rule has kept the Remington 7600 and earlier pump action rifles in production! There are lots of deer and deer hunters in PA. Tou can hardly drive a mile on the interstates without seeing a dead deer.

I went to a gun show at a National Guard Armory in PA a few years ago and man, did they have the Remington 76, 762, and 7600 model rifles! Tables and tables of them. Wow!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I think there are more than a few folks in western Washington and Oregon that use the 7600 rifles for hunting in thick timber for blacktails and elk. A friend of mine has an early 60's 742 in .30-06 and I have shot it at the range and it is a MOA rifle for sure with 180 gr. Core Lokt's. My brother has several of them in .270, .30-06, and .35 Whelen. I have never had them high on my personal list, but would buy one in a heartbeat if the price was right.

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

Born and raised in PA then moved to Ohio 10 years ago. not sure why they have the ban on semi-autos. As a result I've always used pumps or lever actions and love 'em. This restriction has been in place so long you don't need to worry about your state regulators changing your regulations. "Pensy" is just backwards in this regard.

The REAL problem with PA are the Blue Laws (i.e. NO hunting on Sunday).

Aside from being too damn flat, Ohio changed their regulations about seven years ago to allow hunting on Sunday and it has made a great, positive difference in my life.

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from Devil_Dog wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Thank you Scott in Ohio, PA needs to drop the outdated Blue Laws.
I think the bigger hot-button issue here is the hi-jacking of the Game Commission's regulatroy authority by state legislators.

For starters those ridiculous unified sportsman need to stop suing the state for selling to many doe tags. Two, state legislators denying the Game Commission's budget requests unless they do as the legislators please, needs to stop now! Sound science is getting over run by greed and arrogance.

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Devil Dog,

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let the damn biologists and naturalists (who are educated and have the appropriate credentials) do their jobs!!!!!

I have not missed the PA opening day of buck more than 2 times in 25 years. Our camp in Forest County has noticed a drop in the number of deer we see in the woods, but the racks are MUCH bigger.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

What the hell is going on here!

Got to find how to turn off the auto complete or whatever you call it!

The fact is in the hands of the common Joe Hunter there is no advantage using a semi-automatic rifle over a skilled rifleman with a bolt action and I can attest to that fact specializing in Civilian and Military Service Rifle Competition including a former (none volunteer but I did so willingly) of Director for High Power Competition for the largest Club in Alaska and I respectively challenge anyone including Pennsylvania Officials or anyone else to prove me wrong. In fact I find the opposite to be true!

It’s nothing but a ploy to push their own self righteous European agenda and besides, will someone explain to me as of 1991 every person that went over Niagara Falls ether accidently or on purpose was from Pennsylvania!
By the way, I figured out how the names of towns in Pennsylvania received names you cannot pronounce. Those Town names came from Librarians who got drunk one night playing the game SCRABBLE!

“What luck for the rulers that men do not think.”
-Adolf Hitler

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

I must say passing thru Pennsylvania hundreds of times is beautiful State, just full of mindless gnomes!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Skeeb

Two of my Expert Specialties are in NRA Long Range Service Rifle Competition and hosting and running NRA Long Range Service Rifle Competition.

I have found to be a fact a “Bolt Gun Shooter” can shoot just as good if not better than one shooting Semi-Auto. In fact, those shooting Semi-Auto especially Full Auto misses more than a bolt gun shooter.

It’s called “BUCK FEVER”!

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from runt getter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

well this is simple.Were aloud to hunt some places where it just wouldnt be safe to have some 16 year old kid blasting 5 .338 rounds over a hill into downtown pittsburgh.Most of my shots are under 100 yards.If you need a semi auto for that you need more time at a range.

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 4 years 41 weeks ago

Ralph the Rifleman,

Interesting info. Do you know how long ago the limit on semi-autos was passed?

You are from Michigan, Aren't you?

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

I like auto Shotguns, and have fired many Full Auto rifles in the
Army in a 29 year career, only I never fired on fully auto in combat, because I did not believe in the "spray and pray" method of marksmanship. For the same reason I believe even a semi-automatic rifle in the hands of someone eho only shoots during Deer or any other game season is also apt to "spray & pray"
had also pray no human is down range. Nuf said from me today.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I've hunted there for twenty-some odd years, and it's always been that way. I don't believe its a gun-control issue because PA ain't bad in that regard. I'd bet Pa ain't the only state that allows rifles but not semis. Curious. You see a lot of bolt's, pumps and leverguns in the PA woods. Personally it never bothered me.

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from rocketman121 wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I know Texas is still free! I know some states ban all rifles (mostly the flat states) since the round would travel considerable distance before stopping. They do allow shotgun hunting though.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

WaMtnhunter,
Yeah, a lot of my hunting buddies and campmates shoot 7600's. They sell well, at a premium, in Pa. They preform well too as hunting rifles go.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

In Arizona the law says magazine capacity no more than five. Back in 94 I called Arizona Game and Fish and asked if a M1 Grand which doesn’t have a “MAGAZINE” instead has a clip of 8 still under that ruling? The Officer on the other end said, I never thought of it that way, it would be interesting to see how it would play out in the court but said I had a valid point!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

FOOD 4 2 DINK ABOUT!

Now here is a question to ponder on?

If you modify to disable the semi auto function requiring the bolt to be cycled by hand, is it still a Semi Auto or now a bolt gun?

It looks like a full auto, but it has semi auto only function or it looks semi auto, but its bolt action function!

A truck has either a manual or automatic transmission, but it’s still a truck!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Yeah, the Pennsylvania law on autoloaders goes way back. After having seen some PA hunters in action (not all, mind you), I'm glad they don't come out West with autoloaders! BTW, I can cycle my bolt gun about as fast as you can get back on target with the autoloader. Takes a little practice though.

Practice? What a concept!

WMH

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from JohnR wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

I shoot both, but it rarely takes more than one shot if your shot placement is spot on. I have seen several deer at a time milling about in a field during the evening feeding. I have shot one, and the others just move off a bit and go back to feeding. It's times like that when a single shot Ruger # 1 is plenty of rifle.
I had my suspicions, and I think Ralph the Rifleman said it well. It is more to do with eliminating the use and therefore the need for semi-autos than any consideration of wildlife management. Sort of like "Hey, what do you need a semi-auto for anyway; you can't hunt with it!"
Backdoor gun control.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Damn, i'm glad i'm not from pennsy or i might be offended.

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from Teodoro wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

The really annoying part is that you can't use any semi-auto, which means no semi-auto .22 for squirrels, even though semi-auto rimfires are more common than dirt.

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from j1 wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

Hey Teodoro,

You CAN shoot semi auto shotguns in Pa, so you go figure it out.

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from Teodoro wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

j1,

Good point. I should have said no semi-auto rifles. I stand corrected, and I agree it's an odd contradiction.

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from huntcamp wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

It is just a form of gun control. Our wonderful state government here in WI tried passing that here about 8 or so yeards ago. It failed with flying colors. The voter turnout was huge in our favor. It would and will be only a matter of time before they just go down the line. This year semi's next pumps and so on. I have a semi and love it, they have their advantages and their disadvantages. If you think anybody can fire 5 shots in one second accurately with a high pwered semi, you should try it, it is not possible unless gun is bolted down. I hunt a very hilly and full of trees area. There is one ravine that if a deer goes down there to die it takes 3 people and a lot of sweat and 2 hours to drag it back up. Bolts can be just as quick, but i like semis can find another shooting lane with less distractions. One example shot 180 pound 8 pt at 8:30 in morning and with the help of two others got him out at 12:30. Only dragged 75 yards.

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from carl s wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

ralph the rifleman ???????the P.A.semi-auto ban has been in place LLLLLOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG before the "debate"over ar-15s and ak47s and sks ..took center stage in all our hunting and fishing mags...and...t.v. ,and radio...and uuhhh every gun show... it was the 1950s.before the great,M14 was made...

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from carl s wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

thank you Moishe.for your service.and i agree..Nuf said.

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from JohnR wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

Moishe I agree although only in the strict connotation as you aptly stated. I must admit that there are some people with whom I would not feel comfortable hunting in a nearby area with said same people using a semi-auto. Having said that, I enjoy extreme satisfaction hunting with my military semi-autos. As I stated before I use a 5 round mag (or a 10 round mag loaded with only 5 rounds). I have never shot at a deer more that once. This issue I think is somewhat related to geography in the sense that as you so well said, there are places where the only time a person handles a rifle (or shotgun for that matter) is during hunting season. I too dislike the spray and pray mentality. I do not however yield quietly to the conventional wisdom that the good have to be penalized for the actions of the bad.

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from vtbluegrass wrote 4 years 39 weeks ago

I would say a good portion of people who hunt with semi-auto were more interested in the recoil reduction and less so having quick follow-up shots. Sometimes too its just what you got handed down; that why I hunt Marlin in 35Rem and not a bolt,pump, or semi-auto.
Semi-auto deer rifles don't sell very well at gun shops that I frequent; that does not include AR or military type semi's which sell like hotcakes. Most will not take them on trade-in or will not give much for them since they are fairly hard to move even though there are no hunting restrictions on them.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

"BASSACKWARDS" comes to mind!

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from 106473 wrote 4 years 23 weeks ago

Personally, I don't find "spray and pray" anywhere relevant in PA, if semi-auto rifles were to be unbanned. As most hunting programs I know are a bit light, when it comes to training. I see it as the responsibility of the family to teach one about hunting if you have tradition. Even as a resident of PA, ever since new regulations around here there is a drop in hunters. Though to be honest I would like to use my sks to hunt...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

The fact is in the hands or the common Joe Hunter there is advantage using a semi-automatic rifle over a skilled rifleman with a bolt action and I can attest to that fact specializing in Civilian and Military Service Rifle Competition including a former (none volunteer but I did so willingly) of Director for High Power Competition for the largest Club in Alaska and I respectively challenge anyone including Pennsylvania Officials or anyone else to prove me wrong. In fact I find the opposite to be true!

It’s nothing but a ploy to push their own self righteous European agenda and besides, will someone explain to me as of 1991 every person that went over Niagara Falls ether accidently or on purpose was from Pennsylvania!

By the way, I figured out how the names of towns in Pennsylvania received names you cannot pronounce. Those Town names came from Librarians who got drunk one night playing the game SCRABBLE!

“What luck for the rulers that men do not think.”
-Adolf Hitler

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