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November 20, 2008

Stand Up for Flyfishing... Win a Trip.

By Tim Romano & Kirk Deeter

Gunnison

A simple proposition... Please explain to the F&S nation by way of comment below why flyfishing is the highest angling art-form, and what flyfishing means to you. You get one, concise, paragraph.

The reward to the winner of this contest is this: An overnight, two-day float down the Black Canyon (Chukar to Pleasure Park) on the Gunnison River in Colorado, with myself (maybe Tim also, if you're really convincing)... and if you smile and have fun, I'll even post a positive report (with photos) on this blog. You'll catch a lot of fish... all you have to do is get to Montrose, Colorado, and coordinate a 2009 date with me. Beer, stories, tricks and glory are all included. The sponsors of this contest are Fly Talk, Tim Romano, Kirk Deeter, and the Gunnison River.

Good luck.

Deeter

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from KD wrote 5 years 19 weeks ago

Tomorrow...

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from Matt Penttila wrote 5 years 19 weeks ago

So who won?

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from jerry k wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

USA,USA

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from Matt Dunn wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Thanks Joey. And Wags, thanks for the props on the Northern Indiana piece. It is a special place to fish...

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from KD wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

To Joey and Chad... (and everyone else)... I'll apologize here for not stepping in on this sooner. Truth is, Joey is a good friend of mine, and Chad is a good and respected friend also... (I often remember fishing together in Mexico, Chad). Part of the "blog" world is intentionally meant to incite a dialogue... sometimes that's argument, sometimes otherwise. And Joey has been, by default, our provacateur in many of these discussions. This is a media democracy. Apparently, it's healthy to be able to say to someone else they're a total whack-job on a blog. But I don't mean for anyone to be the fall guy... or for anyone to be insulted, for that matter.My point is this: Anyone, and everyone who is here, talking about flyfishing is a friend by association, in the least. Some of you I know, others I know (but don't know what your screen names are), others, I've never met, but I'd like to.I think we are, all of us, ultimately on the same team.

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from Wags wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Hey there Matt, let's go easy with the realistic look at fly-fishing. I really want that trip. I checked out your website recently, maybe I'll catch you at the BTW sometime. I live over in Cincy but am a born and bread Hoosier. Oh, I really liked the post on Steelhead fishing up in Northern Indiana. Not really sure why we just didn't let Illinois or Michigan have that whole area.

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

wow, matt, nice humble realistic post about fly fishing!

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from Matt Dunn wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

OK. I couldn't seem to get my big paragraph posted here in the comments so I posted it on my blag. Check it out here if you're interested:http://fishbeer.com/post/why-fly-fishing-is-the-highest-form-of-angling/Also, the term 'blag' was coined by xkcd.com Not sure if it is a combination of blog and brag, but that is funny.

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

oh, i don't knock the corn, because i know it works...

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from Koldkut wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Hey man, don't knock the corn, many non-native stupid trout have been taken on corn.

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

haha, chad. i've been coming here since the beginning also. and kirk is the one always trying to start wars on this site to get more hits, i just play along. take it easy, bud. it's just a fly fishing forum.first of all, you're entitled to your opinion of me. i have no problem with it, and i don't even hide behind it by posting anonymous and i have a link to my url. love it or hate it, doesn't matter to me.second of all, if you want to call me a hypocrite, that's fine, but i think you don't know enough about me to label me that. let me refute a few things. i take anglers to Aluminé because it gives work to 2 of my best friends and whole host of people in that community that i care deeply about, and if you knew anything about patagonia fishing or me, you'd realize that TROUT is not what the focus of that program is about. i work with probably more than 15 different lodges and outfitters all over the country here, and this one is unique because of everything it has that is REAL patagonia. trout just happens to be a bonus. i created that program to give my guys a head start before the guides from down south come and over-commercialize the area and ruin it, which will happen eventually. you are so wrong to assume it has anything to do with my 'love' of a non native species. in fact, last season i probably only fished myself there a handful of days, mostly for exploratory purposes. i could care less about hooking another trout in my life, i actually think they are a stupid fish. i don't even like to eat them. but they do live in pretty places and give me a reason to float rivers and enjoy the scenery and be with friends.yeah, i book people into those destinations out of servicing a client and keeping my providers happy. that's about the extent of it for me.if you knew the first thing about me, you'd know that my passion in argentina has always been the dorado. i'll be the first to tell anyone that La Zona is a joke. i don't pretend it's anything special, in fact i've turned down several opportunities to go fish there because i just don't care about fishing them in that situation. if i had my choice, i would take down all dams, they are destructive to the fisheries. that's what's happening in the ibera marsh right now, the flow of water is being restricted by a man-made 'dam' (it's actually an illegal road), and it's affecting the marsh in a big way, fishing has tanked in the marsh because of it.even so, there's a big difference between la zona and a tailwater trout fishery. the dorado were there naturally even before the dam was constructed, it just so happens they congregate there because they can't freely move above the dam. they weren't stocked there like trout in most tailwaters and commercialized like putt putt golf. there's a big difference.and if you knew anything about me and guiding in texas, you'd realize that i don't guide for smallmouth. they happen to exist in a few streams, and we catch them on rare occasion. i specialize in guadalupe bass fishing and always have, you can ask anyone that has known me in the ff community in austin for the last 15 years. i'm not into killing fish i don't eat, but if all the smallmouth were removed or died, i could care less, since they are a threat to the 'endangered' native guadalupe bass because of hybridization. there are very few places left that have pure guadalupe bass now due to indiscriminant stocking.and if you make fun of me talking about catch and release fishing as it relates to buddhism, you're making fun of my aunt or anyone else who happens to be buddhist, and we discuss this all the time. there are many other viewpoints out there than the tiny world of sport fishing. we are exploiting fish for our pleasure. whether you care or not doesn't change the fact that it's exactly what we are doing.and you maybe right, maybe i am a snob. but i'm not a fishing snob, because i don't care how other people fish, and honestly don't give a crap that anyone knows i fly fish or not, so much so that some people on this site actually think i fish with corn, which was a joke to begin with. outside of fly fishing, you and i are nobody in this sport. this sport is too full of self important types and i'm sick of it. I DO GIVE A CRAP about people who think they are more important than someone else because it's offensive and pits one group against another (expert vs. beginner, fly fisher vs. bait fisher, etc), and i'll use my 1st amendment right to put someone in their place.cheers.

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from Chad Miller wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Joey,I have been coming to this blog since the beginning and have sometimes gone weeks without posting but that doesn't mean I haven't been reading it. After putting my rare 2 cents in on this and seeing you show your butt over and over again I have pretty much had it. Joey you are flat out a hypocrite. You talk about non native fish but you take anglers to Alumine' a destination of non native trout. For those of you unfamiliar it is river in Patagonia. Hey aren't those huge Dorado caught in La Zona on rivers plugged up by dams??? In fact a lot of those fish are caught right below them. How about those non native Smallmouth you guide in Texas?Your introspection on topics like catch and release is clearly an attempt to raise your enligthtend opinion above all others. Looking at catch and release through the eyes of Buddism, are you kidding me?Your whole view spewed on this string opitimizes your hypocricy. You elevate yourself as an enlightened angler who takes GREAT PRIDE in telling others how wrong they are about their views, talk about snobbery and elitism. That is what you are Joey a fishing snob plain and simple and you don't even need a fly rod for that! To bad to, you probably are a pretty good angler there just isn't a boat big enough!!!

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

# 1 rule in field and stream fly fishing blogs: if there's free crap to win, make sure you post something! check the archives and see for yourself.

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from Wags wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Joey,I didn't realize that it was supposed to be a paragraph about ME making fly-fishing angling's highest art form. That doesn't happen. I make wind knot tying an art form maybe, but that's about it. Now, i just got in from a day spent fruitlessly chasing after quail in ever decreasing cover with a dog that was once very good but is now just very old so I'm not in a particularly good mood. As such, my reply to your just throwing up.........tell your boyfriend you have a bad gag reflex so to go slower and shallower.....that should help you a little.

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from scott g wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

opinions are like a**holes, and everybody has one, joey just like to hang his out there more than everybody else!!! Deeter ask for everyones thought on flyfishing as an art form and what it means to you. Joey says it not an art form and even though this is the fly fishing blog of Field and Stream, blasts fly fisherman labeling us as bunch of elitist snobs! bravo! all class all the the time dude! number one rule of first grade, if you made it that far was, if you cant say anything nice about someone then dont say anything at all! argue about ethics of corn all you want but dont rip a guy for his thoughts for his passion....

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

evan, there are no limits to which people will go on this forum when free give-aways are involved.

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

i think part of the rules of this contest should be that everyone submits a video clip of themselves casting and catching fish, just to prove if it's as romantic and graceful as these self-proclaimed artists say it is. i'll be willing to bet it's much more brutal.

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from Evan V wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

I thought it was limited to a paragraph, not a novel?

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

yeah, i just threw up a little in my mouth too.

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

oh my god, i think i'm going to throw up...

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from Wags wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Fly fishing is angling's highest art form because everything about flyfishing is artistic. The flies, creations of fur, feather, thread, and steel, are each hand tied to imitate some of the most simple and yet complex creatures on this planet. The cast is as artistic as fine dance, rythmic and graceful, creating power not with brute force but with timing and patience. The fish are painted with hues of red, yellow, green, and orange, as beautiful as any brush has ever painted these colors on canvas. Even the places we go to flyfish (like, say the Black Canyon stretch of the Gunnison) are works of art, sculpted by nature to leave us in awe of power we can never fully understand. And when I go to such a place, choose the right fly, make the right cast, and am blessed to hook and land a fish, I can feel that for that brief momemt I have achieved angling's highest art form, and am both honored and humbled by the experience.

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

i think he meant 'blabbing', since that's what all this jerking off about fly fishing is. my main problem with 95% of the posts here is that most people here seem to only be able to elevate fly fishing by slamming bait fishing or spin/baitcast fishing, which says more about the guy posting than it does about fly fishing as a sport. it just reeks of arrogance and narrow mindedness.some of the best anglers i know aren't even fly fishermen. every form of fishing has it's pros and cons. trust me that lure fishing or live bait fishing can be finessed or done in just a trashy way as fly fishing can (split shots, fluffy indicators). really it's just how you approach the game more than the gear itself. so get over yourselves for having 'chosen' fly fishing.

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from Blue Charm wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

When making the choice to become a fly angler and fish flies exclusively, whether its recognized or not, therein is a conscious decision that its quality over quantity that matters to you. A lot of fly anglers honestly state that they to used to run plugs or throw spoons. Used to. One day, they realized that numbers didn't define who they were as an angler, and furthermore fly fishing allowed a sense of self expression and creativity that lures didn't offer. Not to mention the obvious - it was easier on the environment and fish. Do I think fly anglers are more aware anglers than those that fish otherwise? Yes, I do. Why? Well, if we weren't, then we all would be throwing bait.

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from BirdDog wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Is "blagging" a new word for blogging and bragging at the same time?

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from Matt Dunn wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

I submitted a long paragraph yesterday but typepad said it was spam and wouldn't let me post it. The meaning of fly fishing is blagging about fly fishing.

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

yeah, beating me up FOR MY CAN OPENER!

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from Alex Pernice the fly rod winner wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Hey Joey, you can't be in those pics as all the guys casting flys beat you up when they see you pull out you're f'n can opener.

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from joey wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

fly fishing as art, the highest form right here:http://www.mo.gov/mo/mophotos/sports/sports004TroutFishing_Salem.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2275/2303718522_a9a1ae58ab.jpghttp://photos.igougo.com/images/p143752-Missouri-Bennett_Springs_State_Park.jpg

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from Matt Penttila wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Flyfishing is more than an artform, it's a frame of mindset and lifestyle of millions of anglers. Anglers from the past relied on Sir Issac Walton's book The Compleate Angler from centuries ago, to the works of Lee Wulff, John Gierach, Tim Romano, Kirk Deeter, and others. Add in modern technologies, an ever present evolution of the rod, from a long willow branch to modern laminates, and the line made of horse hairs evolving into modern day flexible plastics around a core of nylon polymers or a hollow core. The flies have changed over the centuries, various patterns made to imitate live creatures, both insects and baitfish. But this would be useless if the angler did not carry out the carefully orchestrated movements of the rod, the line, the fly, and himself. For it is the angler who acts as both the conductor and the orchestra, his main instruments are his mind and his hand, moving in coordination with the rod, casting the line as if to move a brush over a canvas, placing the fly in range of his quarry, accuracy being paramount to all other factors. Then as the fish strikes the fly, inhaling that tiny spec of fur, feather, string and hook, all time stops as the connection is made between the angler and the fish. That is the moment of ephoria for the angler, as now the connection is made, the angler now goes from being an orchestra of movements to becoming a partner in a dance, the partner is the fish on the end of the line. As the dance continues, the angler is still painting a scene, a new musical writing has begun with the orchestra, as it becomes a story of rejection and affection, the desire to feel while the partner tries to end something so graceful until the strains become too much and the partner conceeds to the anglers' lead. Is flyfishing an artform, most definately, evolving over the ages, unlike a painting, an art that is living, breathing, feeling, and will be passed on to future generations like it has been passed on to us from past generations.

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from Tyler P wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Because "Brad Pitt" made it cool to be a fly fisherman...and April Vokey makes it hip to chase big steelhead with the long sword and drool over hot chicks in waders!!

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from jeff k wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Why Flyfishing is the highest angling art-form? Well i'm no artist but once in a while you'll tie on your own fly, get that perfect cast, drift and take. Usually the next cast is in the trees but for that one moment all things come together on the canvas for you.what flyfishing means to you? It's a way of life. It's learning, teaching, exploring and just being outdoors with people who feel the same. Many great memories are created on the stream and you'll have them for life. Someday i hope to take my son fishing and create great memories for him.

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from ??? wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Quote "performing felatio (sic) on women"?JoeF - how can you perform fellatio on a woman?Women don't have d..ks

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from JoeG wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Ok, I have tried waxing poetic in the past but I think I just want to be myself this time. Flyfishing is art, it is pretty, expressive, and technical. Put another way, it is basically an engine to some form of self expression or enlightenment perhaps. In the end though, it goes like this. Flyfishing is like riding on a Harley, owning a diesel truck or performing felatio on women. If you gotta ask, you wouldnt understand! :) Dats my 2 cents.........bitches!

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from BirdDog wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

If fishing were golf, then fly rods would be putters. Spinning rods drivers. Baitcasters pitching wedges. It's all about distance and presentation, and using the right tool for the job. I always shake my head when I see guys flailing away in a strong wind with a fly rod when they could be dropping their lures on target every time with spinning gear. But then, I also shake my head when I see guys dragging spinners through a trout pool when the fish are rising.There's also the fun factor. If conditions permit catching fish on a dry fly, I'll choose that over a rapala any day, because it's more thrilling. But if nothing is biting I'd rather throw out bait and catch fish than spend hours of fruitless dredging with a beadhead.Fishing is fishing.

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from Chad Miller wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

I have thought about this question before. Is fly fishing an art form? My knee jerk hardcore fishing response is no it is just fishing and can be what you want it to be. If I am honest, minus the hardcore response, it is more than that. My inclination in the shop when people speak of it in esoteric terms is to give my response in good ole' boy Hoosier, "it is just fishing let's not make it more than it is".If I really bare my soul and explain my true feelings about it, it is much more. I will admit I am a romantic and tend to romanticize all of my hobbies/loves. I think of them in terms of taste, smell and sound. They are more than just a picture in my mind they are accompanied by everything that makes up the experience. It is like going to a basketball game and smelling the popcorn and hearing sneakers squeek on the gym floor. I get those same senses of existence from fly fishing as well. More goes into the art form of fly fishing than just catching fish or even the process of it. It is everything that surrounds it. It is the smell of musty waders, the sound of a bass popper being wacked and the sight of everything fantastic that God made around it. If you are looking for technical fly fishing tag line here well I ain't got any; that is a discussion for another time. The question of art form can only be answered in the romance of the past time. It has an heirloom quality that is ideally passed down from generation through generation, as it has been in my family.The question is about art form not a fishing question. Just because you are a fly angler it doesn't make you a great angler, quit the contrary. What it will do, if you let it, is take you in another direction of senses. I hope we don't loose the romance of it just because we want the sport to be more inclusive. Believe me as a shop owner we need more anglers in the sport. But lets not forget the past and why this sport has survived as it has for 100's of years.Man after what I just wrote I should probably have my Hetro cred checked! Call it "Confessions of a Hardcore Fly Angler". I hope my friends don't read this!!!Sorry about that forgot to post my name on the last post.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

I have thought about this question before. Is fly fishing an art form? My knee jerk hardcore fishing response is no it is just fishing and can be what you want it to be. If I am honest, minus the hardcore response, it is more than that. My inclination in the shop when people speak of it in esoteric terms is to give my response in good ole' boy Hoosier, "it is just fishing let's not make it more than it is".If I really bare my soul and explain my true feelings about it, it is much more. I will admit I am a romantic and tend to romanticize all of my hobbies/loves. I think of them in terms of taste, smell and sound. They are more than just a picture in my mind they are accompanied by everything that makes up the experience. It is like going to a basketball game and smelling the popcorn and hearing sneakers squeek on the gym floor. I get those same senses of existence from fly fishing as well. More goes into the art form of fly fishing than just catching fish or even the process of it. It is everything that surrounds it. It is the smell of musty waders, the sound of a bass popper being wacked and the sight of everything fantastic that God made around it. If you are looking for technical fly fishing tag line here well I ain't got any; that is a discussion for another time. The question of art form can only be answered in the romance of the past time. It has an heirloom quality that is ideally passed down from generation through generation, as it has been in my family.The question is about art form not a fishing question. Just because you are a fly angler it doesn't make you a great angler, quit the contrary. What it will do, if you let it, is take you in another direction of senses. I hope we don't loose the romance of it just because we want the sport to be more inclusive. Believe me as a shop owner we need more anglers in the sport. But lets not forget the past and why this sport has survived as it has for 100's of years.Man after what I just wrote I should probably have my Hetro cred checked! Call it "Confessions of a Hardcore Fly Angler". I hope my friends don't read this!!!

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from Bryan wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

It's clearly the names of the terminal equipment that makes fly fishing the winner. Muddler Minnow vs mepps, Chernobyl Ant vs worm, Wooley Bugger vs corn, Bead Head Hares Ear vs crankbait. The list just keeps on going with names like Royal Humpy, Royal Wulff, Serendipity, PMD, etc. They are just funner to say. Although seeing a trout come from the depths of the stream to take your parachute adams ain't so bad.

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from Peeet wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Well I have to give this a sporting chance because I've been dying to float that section of the Gunnison. And this all is just turning a bit ugly between camps. I'd have to admit though I sometimes get a little put off when a guy is chuckin a spinner through a nice hole I was working up to. But I need to remind myself he's out fishing. Doing what he loves. My friend of many years died recently skiing in RMNP and many called him stupid for doing it alone. Not sure if anyone else there could've saved him but you gotta hand it to the guy. He went doing what he loved. We should all be so lucky.Now, that aside, I do love fly fishing over all other forms for one key reason. It's a form of fishing you can enjoy either doing or watching. I'm reminded of this taking my turn on the oars as I point out spots for the guys fishing to hit. Or when you watch a hungry slab chase a bugger out of the deapths. I've also sat on the bank and admired my father make the most difficult cast look easy and realized where I got my skills as a fly-caster. And sometimes, when the fish aren't biting you just find a flat rock and appreciate the sounds and sights around you till the next rise. Now, I do believe I have some waders to patch for my next trip out. Maybe the Gunnison? We'll see.

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from brett wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

i believe that any type of fishing is a great way of getting out on the river, creek, etc. i also think that fly fishing is the highest form of fishing, not only because of the skill necassary but also because of the lengths some go to ie; research the hatch, tie flys into the wee hours of the morning drive hours just to catch a big fish they were told about just to release it so another day some one else can "dance" with it. i think that all types of fishing are relevant and a good source of recreation and niether side should look down on the other. i know that all types work since ive caught fish using all stylesof fishing and i think.well theres my best shot

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from jerry k wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

gunga lagunga

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from Alex Pernice the fly rod winner wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Hey Joey... CORN!!!

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from joey wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

fly fishing was originally used with live bait (live hoppers), so don't knock bait fishing or spin fishing. you can take any form of angling to either extreme.just ask any guide, fly fishing is full of weekend warriors spanking the water with coneheaded woolly buggers and sinking lines or flailing (aka 'casting') big fluffy indicators and 1/4 of split shot 5 feet in front of them. i don't know how you call that the 'highest' art form, if you can even call it an art form. get over yourselves, fellow fly fishermen, and just enjoy what you do for yourself instead of masturbating to the esotericsm of the sport.

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from KD wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Joey wins! Just so I have an excuse to get him down in the Canyon... But will he come back out? I think the next post will be like the "Larry the Lobster" SNL contest: Should Joey come out of the Black Canyon or not.Just kidding, of course.We'll let this ride a few more days... see if we can't smoke out a few more po'd knuckle-draggers, then make a call after Turkey day.I don't know what's more fun, teasing and hooking fish with flies, or teasing and hooking baitwhackers with words.

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from TVN wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

I think back to the days of tweed, tobacco pipes, hand-snelled hooks and creels packed with fish. In the early days of the sport, the pursuit was the same as any angling - bring home something for the dinner plate, and enjoy yourself as you do it. Since then, and since 'the movie,' things have changed. Many folks do it for the pursuit, many for the artistic side. Somehow, since we've stopped keeping the fish, the attitude has gone up, but the art has not followed. Sure, there's inlaid reel seats, full dress salmon flies and nickel reels, but has the technique and enjoyment followed? I think not. So if fly-fishing is the most artistic form of fishing, it's because of its founders, not the current practitioners.

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from Fat Guy Alex wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

So what?.....So Lets Dance!

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from joey wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

does any body here realize how ga*y they are reveling in this pathetic post, trying to win some ridiculous online popularity contest, self-aggrandizing, self-important bull scheist. YOU FLY FISH, SO f'n WHAT!!

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from joey wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

fly fishing is a higher art form because it's more expensive.

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from Sue B wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

An artist doesn't build a masterpiece overnight. Art is a lifelong pursuit that is a personal journey. An artist strives to learn and grow from his mistakes and improve his craft through hours of practice. A spontaneous brushstroke or a single line placed in just the right spot might turn out to be an artist's greatest work. In the end, it's his collective experiences that bring the artist closer to perfection and make the journey fun. Fly fishing, like art, is a craft that is ever changing, ever evolving, and ever growing. For the beginner the challenge may be a simple knot or to land a dozen clean casts before the eminent tangle. As the angler advances her craft, it may be the number of fish caught or, later, the size of the fish caught. Everyday there's a new scenario to tackle: match the hatch, rig the rod, read the current, find where the fish are feeding, and make the perfect drift. I am never bored fly fishing. Just when I think I've got it all figured out, nature throws a curve ball my way, just to humble me and remind me I still have a lifetime of learning ahead. Fly fishing is a physical, mental, and spiritual journey. When everything flows just right, the composition is like the most beautiful painting I've ever seen.BTW, I've always wanted to float the Gunnison Gorge.

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from Fat Guy Alex wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Not at all, Mr. Creosote. That retard would definitely have to practice... baitcasters can be a pain in the butt to cast proficiently.

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from Mike wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Flyfishing for trout, far from others, is escape. No one else around to impress or criticize. One's skill against the fish, its environment, and whatever else might be trolling the water and shores. Senses are heightened. Focus is absolute. Read the water, the skies, and the wind; observe the insects and active hatches; stalk the fish; present the fly; mend the line; set the hook; and play the fish in; while stealthily treading a slimy stream bottom where one could slip and be wisked under a sweeper or into a deep hole; all while mindful of those footfalls or movements along the shores. All the world's stresses just go out of mind and out of body - finally wade out of the stream tired but mentally refreshed.

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from Evan V wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Fly fishing, more of a lifestyle than a sport. Chasing what is hard to obtain, but not impossible. A perfect blend of entomology, zoology, and angling skill with the ability to turn the smartest astrophysicist into a trout bum in the time it takes to tie a fly, cast it, and retrieve it with a fish attached to it.

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from John wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Sorry for the snarky response, but flyfishing's nasty little dark side is that we still have people who think it is the highest angling art form. Fishing is fishing. I prefer to do it with a fly rod, some other guy prefers to do it with a spinning rod. We're one and the same. Let protecting the resource justify our existence, not our egos.

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from Koldkut wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Levi,All forms of fishing are good enough, its about the fish, no doubt. And there are some fly guys who are conceited, and others who don't really care what your doing as long as you are catching fish. It's all art, and the eye of this beholder, fly-fishing is the highest form for me. Don't get me wrong, I still spin fish and dunk bait my fair share, and I'll be the first guy to start handing out flies to other folks, even the worm and bobber guys, when the fish aren't taking bait and they are into the flies. Seeing the smile on a kids face when the fishin's hot, always puts a smile on my face regardless of how they are catching them.

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from Levi wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Sure sometimes while casting a lure I just throw it out randomly, I don't have a boat, a fishfinder, etc. I learn the layout by what I can see and what I can "feel" with my lure. So sometimes it looks like I'm "flogging" the water, but when I know what's there then the precision starts. I have no doubt it takes skill and precision to cast a fly and place where you want it, drift it, set the hook, land the fish, but I would argue that casting a lure to a particular spot, just between those branches over there, without getting a backlash and working the lure back in the right way to catch the bass that's most likely hiding there takes a considerable amount of skill too. Nothing against bait fisherman here (I've certainly been guilty of looking down my nose at them before), but we all like to feel good about ourselves by glorifying our particular method or style. It's who we are as people, we have pride and like to think that we're better or at least as good as most of the people around us. Tell me this, when you want to introduce a kid to fishing, are you really going to try and start them on a fly!? Or are you going to take them down to the water and drown a few worms so they can catch some fish? Maybe it is "the highest angling art form" but art is in the eye of the beholder and I'd much rather see a kid excited about catching a fish than some conceited ass telling me my type of fishing isn't good enough.

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from Mr. Creosote wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Hey Fat Guy, so you're saying any "retard" could pick up a baitcaster and start casting like a pro?

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from Alex Pernice the fly rod winner wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Well to be honest, Fly fishing is more of a challenge than throwing some corn or power bait ( Yea I'm raggin on joey on this one.) you have to find what there eating, what size, what color, and most of all, how the hell to cast and keep that darn size 2 cone head bugger out of the back of you're head ect.

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from Nick wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Because fly fishing has stretched the extremities of possibility to its maximum levels. Think about it this way: so many fine details have to come together to produce a single meaningless and (often) taken for granted result. you have to tie a mostly weightless fly that represents a food item, learn to cast it using a fly line that weighs more than the fly which you use by flick back and forwards at the end of carbon or cane stick that is the end result of many hours of research, maufacture and discussion, hidden form the fish by way a monofilaments hydrocarbon line designed to be strong yet invisible. and at the end of all that the little buggers still might be scared by your cast, your wading, your boat, a tree, the sky etc. In some ways you wonder how you ever manage to catch a fish at all, but when you do the combination of a series of narrowingly, near-impossible events makes its so beautiful, how could it not be art?and this can apply whether you're throwing #28 tricos on a 1 weight to winter browns, 1/0 bugs at bass on an 8 weight or 8/0 triple tube streamers at billfish on a 14 weight stump pullerCompare it to a Caravaggio - its easy to look from a distance and say yes i can do that, but look closely and try and replicate it and you'll see how much hard work and skill goes into such an "easy" thing.

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from Fat Guy Alex wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Fly fishing is no better than any other type of fishing when it comes down to the goal of fishing in general. It is still some a-hole taking a fish out of a body of water under false pretenses.The main difference is that any retard can throw a lure a mile and reel it back in, but it takes a certain level of practice, discipline and patience to cast a fly with any level of dignity and grace.Add that to the amount that one needs to know to feel proficient at fly fishing and its no wonder the sport produces so many condescending, stuck-up boobs.It is a great thing though, that fly fishing. I love it.

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from Koldkut wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

In all forms of angling, the objective lies in brining a fish to hand using a rod, line, and hook. It would seem that a fish is a fish no matter how you caught it, but the proofs in the pudding, that fly-fishing is the highest form of angling. It’s man vs. nature on the stream; you’re up against all elements and not just the fish. Trying to duplicate what’s happening naturally with a hook and thread and feathers to bring it all together in the hopes of cradling your quarry and take in a serene moment. No other moment like this can exist where you sit in a chair listening to motors running and electronics beep at you. Fly-fishing to me is a way to ease out of the daily grind and go back to a simpler day, to get away from the high tech machine laden world around my daily life. It drains all stress away and sends it downstream leaving me content to sit and take it all in. In all the forms of angling that I participate in, I would rather catch one fish on the fly then 5 any other way.

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from ethan wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

There are two types of fishing: Active and Passive. Bait fishing is Passive, while Flyfishing is Active. To baitfish requires no more than that one bait the hook, throw it out and wait. There is almost no skill required to baitfish. Where there is no skill, there can be no perfection of skill, and where this is not, there can be no perfection to the point of mastery or artistry. To flyfish is by far the more artful and polished action: one must know how to get the fly "out there," and the techniques and timing so as to keep from entangling the line and/or snagging oneself; one must be able to "read water" to know where fish will be, how current will act upon a fly and how then to cast for the best presentation; one must know which fly to use under what circumstances. Once these things are mastered, it can be fairly said that one is a master fisherman--an artist--because he has come nearest to perfection: thinking like the current carrying a drifting insect, thinking like a trout in it and keeping his line in proper order and time to make those thoughts converge in reality upon the right place at the right time. To me, flyfishing means a chance to escape the complexities and burdens of this world, to have some time to reinvigorate my spirit and to get some quality quiet time to myself. To me, a half-day on a troutstream is more relaxing and revitalizing than two weeks on a luxury cruise. As a friend of mine put it, "The act of flyfishing is a transcendence of the mundane and slavish world we have come to know as reality."Yes, we purists are a snobby, stuck-up group. But judging from the results of a day baitfishing at the town pond compared to a day on a pristine troutstream in the backwoods, we have every right to be."Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over rocks from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. Under the rocks are the words, and some of the words are theirs. I am haunted by waters."~Norman Maclean

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from Daren wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

I love all fishing, I don't care what kind it is. I fish with lures, I fish with bait and I fly fish. It all depends upon the situation. It doesn't matter to me or should it anyone else, what kind of fishing we do. Isn't it supposed to be about fun, and all fishing is fun. I use whatever technique catches the most fish. I fly fish the most because I can catch the most fish by fly fishing. I fly fish for trout, bass, panfish, Carp, or anything else will bite with a flyrod because it is fun. I am not afraid to fish with any techinque that catches fish, Why because it is fun.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

well i think that we get enough recognition, if we got anymore wouldnt that rewin the sport, the streams would be crouded and the gear would get more expensive becaus eof the damand, and in 13 and im having a hard time geting what i need with birthday money!

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from jerry k wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

a flyfisheman is a person that connects to the sport on a more personal level ,you tie flys,match the hatch,stalk your fish,get that perfect drift and when it all comes together and you have that fish in your hands you get a level of satisfaction you dont get from floating a shiner under a bobber and thats flyfishing is anglings highest art-form.

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from joey wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

sorry, but as much as i love fly fishing (and it's almost all i do), i think it has one of the most self-righteous, snobby group of participants in all of angling. fishing is fishing, man. why even make the comparison? to feed your ego? i'm secure with what i do, no need to position myself 'higher' than anyone else. flailing around inefficiently with thousands of dollars in gear just to catch a fish and throw it back.oops, i guess i didn't win.

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from Mr. Creosote wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Don't knock the Power Bait. It's not bad spread on a Triscuit.And it's perfectly natural to whack the bait now and then. Just don't let anyone see you doing it.These oughtta be fun to read, but if flyfishing is the highest and purest form of angling then you should also devote a future blog post to the lowest...

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from KD wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

That, right there, is a contender.

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from eric wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

I'm sure the prize will go to someone who writes something far more profound. But to my mind, the question is readily settled by the simple fact that nobody would ever want to wear power-bait boxer shorts.

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from KD wrote 5 years 19 weeks ago

Tomorrow...

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from Matt Penttila wrote 5 years 19 weeks ago

So who won?

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from jerry k wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

USA,USA

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from Matt Dunn wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Thanks Joey. And Wags, thanks for the props on the Northern Indiana piece. It is a special place to fish...

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from KD wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

To Joey and Chad... (and everyone else)... I'll apologize here for not stepping in on this sooner. Truth is, Joey is a good friend of mine, and Chad is a good and respected friend also... (I often remember fishing together in Mexico, Chad). Part of the "blog" world is intentionally meant to incite a dialogue... sometimes that's argument, sometimes otherwise. And Joey has been, by default, our provacateur in many of these discussions. This is a media democracy. Apparently, it's healthy to be able to say to someone else they're a total whack-job on a blog. But I don't mean for anyone to be the fall guy... or for anyone to be insulted, for that matter.My point is this: Anyone, and everyone who is here, talking about flyfishing is a friend by association, in the least. Some of you I know, others I know (but don't know what your screen names are), others, I've never met, but I'd like to.I think we are, all of us, ultimately on the same team.

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from Wags wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Hey there Matt, let's go easy with the realistic look at fly-fishing. I really want that trip. I checked out your website recently, maybe I'll catch you at the BTW sometime. I live over in Cincy but am a born and bread Hoosier. Oh, I really liked the post on Steelhead fishing up in Northern Indiana. Not really sure why we just didn't let Illinois or Michigan have that whole area.

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

wow, matt, nice humble realistic post about fly fishing!

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from Matt Dunn wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

OK. I couldn't seem to get my big paragraph posted here in the comments so I posted it on my blag. Check it out here if you're interested:http://fishbeer.com/post/why-fly-fishing-is-the-highest-form-of-angling/Also, the term 'blag' was coined by xkcd.com Not sure if it is a combination of blog and brag, but that is funny.

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

oh, i don't knock the corn, because i know it works...

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from Koldkut wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Hey man, don't knock the corn, many non-native stupid trout have been taken on corn.

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

haha, chad. i've been coming here since the beginning also. and kirk is the one always trying to start wars on this site to get more hits, i just play along. take it easy, bud. it's just a fly fishing forum.first of all, you're entitled to your opinion of me. i have no problem with it, and i don't even hide behind it by posting anonymous and i have a link to my url. love it or hate it, doesn't matter to me.second of all, if you want to call me a hypocrite, that's fine, but i think you don't know enough about me to label me that. let me refute a few things. i take anglers to Aluminé because it gives work to 2 of my best friends and whole host of people in that community that i care deeply about, and if you knew anything about patagonia fishing or me, you'd realize that TROUT is not what the focus of that program is about. i work with probably more than 15 different lodges and outfitters all over the country here, and this one is unique because of everything it has that is REAL patagonia. trout just happens to be a bonus. i created that program to give my guys a head start before the guides from down south come and over-commercialize the area and ruin it, which will happen eventually. you are so wrong to assume it has anything to do with my 'love' of a non native species. in fact, last season i probably only fished myself there a handful of days, mostly for exploratory purposes. i could care less about hooking another trout in my life, i actually think they are a stupid fish. i don't even like to eat them. but they do live in pretty places and give me a reason to float rivers and enjoy the scenery and be with friends.yeah, i book people into those destinations out of servicing a client and keeping my providers happy. that's about the extent of it for me.if you knew the first thing about me, you'd know that my passion in argentina has always been the dorado. i'll be the first to tell anyone that La Zona is a joke. i don't pretend it's anything special, in fact i've turned down several opportunities to go fish there because i just don't care about fishing them in that situation. if i had my choice, i would take down all dams, they are destructive to the fisheries. that's what's happening in the ibera marsh right now, the flow of water is being restricted by a man-made 'dam' (it's actually an illegal road), and it's affecting the marsh in a big way, fishing has tanked in the marsh because of it.even so, there's a big difference between la zona and a tailwater trout fishery. the dorado were there naturally even before the dam was constructed, it just so happens they congregate there because they can't freely move above the dam. they weren't stocked there like trout in most tailwaters and commercialized like putt putt golf. there's a big difference.and if you knew anything about me and guiding in texas, you'd realize that i don't guide for smallmouth. they happen to exist in a few streams, and we catch them on rare occasion. i specialize in guadalupe bass fishing and always have, you can ask anyone that has known me in the ff community in austin for the last 15 years. i'm not into killing fish i don't eat, but if all the smallmouth were removed or died, i could care less, since they are a threat to the 'endangered' native guadalupe bass because of hybridization. there are very few places left that have pure guadalupe bass now due to indiscriminant stocking.and if you make fun of me talking about catch and release fishing as it relates to buddhism, you're making fun of my aunt or anyone else who happens to be buddhist, and we discuss this all the time. there are many other viewpoints out there than the tiny world of sport fishing. we are exploiting fish for our pleasure. whether you care or not doesn't change the fact that it's exactly what we are doing.and you maybe right, maybe i am a snob. but i'm not a fishing snob, because i don't care how other people fish, and honestly don't give a crap that anyone knows i fly fish or not, so much so that some people on this site actually think i fish with corn, which was a joke to begin with. outside of fly fishing, you and i are nobody in this sport. this sport is too full of self important types and i'm sick of it. I DO GIVE A CRAP about people who think they are more important than someone else because it's offensive and pits one group against another (expert vs. beginner, fly fisher vs. bait fisher, etc), and i'll use my 1st amendment right to put someone in their place.cheers.

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from Chad Miller wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Joey,I have been coming to this blog since the beginning and have sometimes gone weeks without posting but that doesn't mean I haven't been reading it. After putting my rare 2 cents in on this and seeing you show your butt over and over again I have pretty much had it. Joey you are flat out a hypocrite. You talk about non native fish but you take anglers to Alumine' a destination of non native trout. For those of you unfamiliar it is river in Patagonia. Hey aren't those huge Dorado caught in La Zona on rivers plugged up by dams??? In fact a lot of those fish are caught right below them. How about those non native Smallmouth you guide in Texas?Your introspection on topics like catch and release is clearly an attempt to raise your enligthtend opinion above all others. Looking at catch and release through the eyes of Buddism, are you kidding me?Your whole view spewed on this string opitimizes your hypocricy. You elevate yourself as an enlightened angler who takes GREAT PRIDE in telling others how wrong they are about their views, talk about snobbery and elitism. That is what you are Joey a fishing snob plain and simple and you don't even need a fly rod for that! To bad to, you probably are a pretty good angler there just isn't a boat big enough!!!

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

# 1 rule in field and stream fly fishing blogs: if there's free crap to win, make sure you post something! check the archives and see for yourself.

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from Wags wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Joey,I didn't realize that it was supposed to be a paragraph about ME making fly-fishing angling's highest art form. That doesn't happen. I make wind knot tying an art form maybe, but that's about it. Now, i just got in from a day spent fruitlessly chasing after quail in ever decreasing cover with a dog that was once very good but is now just very old so I'm not in a particularly good mood. As such, my reply to your just throwing up.........tell your boyfriend you have a bad gag reflex so to go slower and shallower.....that should help you a little.

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from scott g wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

opinions are like a**holes, and everybody has one, joey just like to hang his out there more than everybody else!!! Deeter ask for everyones thought on flyfishing as an art form and what it means to you. Joey says it not an art form and even though this is the fly fishing blog of Field and Stream, blasts fly fisherman labeling us as bunch of elitist snobs! bravo! all class all the the time dude! number one rule of first grade, if you made it that far was, if you cant say anything nice about someone then dont say anything at all! argue about ethics of corn all you want but dont rip a guy for his thoughts for his passion....

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

evan, there are no limits to which people will go on this forum when free give-aways are involved.

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

i think part of the rules of this contest should be that everyone submits a video clip of themselves casting and catching fish, just to prove if it's as romantic and graceful as these self-proclaimed artists say it is. i'll be willing to bet it's much more brutal.

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from Evan V wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

I thought it was limited to a paragraph, not a novel?

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

yeah, i just threw up a little in my mouth too.

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

oh my god, i think i'm going to throw up...

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from Wags wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Fly fishing is angling's highest art form because everything about flyfishing is artistic. The flies, creations of fur, feather, thread, and steel, are each hand tied to imitate some of the most simple and yet complex creatures on this planet. The cast is as artistic as fine dance, rythmic and graceful, creating power not with brute force but with timing and patience. The fish are painted with hues of red, yellow, green, and orange, as beautiful as any brush has ever painted these colors on canvas. Even the places we go to flyfish (like, say the Black Canyon stretch of the Gunnison) are works of art, sculpted by nature to leave us in awe of power we can never fully understand. And when I go to such a place, choose the right fly, make the right cast, and am blessed to hook and land a fish, I can feel that for that brief momemt I have achieved angling's highest art form, and am both honored and humbled by the experience.

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

i think he meant 'blabbing', since that's what all this jerking off about fly fishing is. my main problem with 95% of the posts here is that most people here seem to only be able to elevate fly fishing by slamming bait fishing or spin/baitcast fishing, which says more about the guy posting than it does about fly fishing as a sport. it just reeks of arrogance and narrow mindedness.some of the best anglers i know aren't even fly fishermen. every form of fishing has it's pros and cons. trust me that lure fishing or live bait fishing can be finessed or done in just a trashy way as fly fishing can (split shots, fluffy indicators). really it's just how you approach the game more than the gear itself. so get over yourselves for having 'chosen' fly fishing.

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from Blue Charm wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

When making the choice to become a fly angler and fish flies exclusively, whether its recognized or not, therein is a conscious decision that its quality over quantity that matters to you. A lot of fly anglers honestly state that they to used to run plugs or throw spoons. Used to. One day, they realized that numbers didn't define who they were as an angler, and furthermore fly fishing allowed a sense of self expression and creativity that lures didn't offer. Not to mention the obvious - it was easier on the environment and fish. Do I think fly anglers are more aware anglers than those that fish otherwise? Yes, I do. Why? Well, if we weren't, then we all would be throwing bait.

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from BirdDog wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Is "blagging" a new word for blogging and bragging at the same time?

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from Matt Dunn wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

I submitted a long paragraph yesterday but typepad said it was spam and wouldn't let me post it. The meaning of fly fishing is blagging about fly fishing.

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from joey wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

yeah, beating me up FOR MY CAN OPENER!

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from Alex Pernice the fly rod winner wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Hey Joey, you can't be in those pics as all the guys casting flys beat you up when they see you pull out you're f'n can opener.

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from joey wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

fly fishing as art, the highest form right here:http://www.mo.gov/mo/mophotos/sports/sports004TroutFishing_Salem.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2275/2303718522_a9a1ae58ab.jpghttp://photos.igougo.com/images/p143752-Missouri-Bennett_Springs_State_Park.jpg

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from Matt Penttila wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Flyfishing is more than an artform, it's a frame of mindset and lifestyle of millions of anglers. Anglers from the past relied on Sir Issac Walton's book The Compleate Angler from centuries ago, to the works of Lee Wulff, John Gierach, Tim Romano, Kirk Deeter, and others. Add in modern technologies, an ever present evolution of the rod, from a long willow branch to modern laminates, and the line made of horse hairs evolving into modern day flexible plastics around a core of nylon polymers or a hollow core. The flies have changed over the centuries, various patterns made to imitate live creatures, both insects and baitfish. But this would be useless if the angler did not carry out the carefully orchestrated movements of the rod, the line, the fly, and himself. For it is the angler who acts as both the conductor and the orchestra, his main instruments are his mind and his hand, moving in coordination with the rod, casting the line as if to move a brush over a canvas, placing the fly in range of his quarry, accuracy being paramount to all other factors. Then as the fish strikes the fly, inhaling that tiny spec of fur, feather, string and hook, all time stops as the connection is made between the angler and the fish. That is the moment of ephoria for the angler, as now the connection is made, the angler now goes from being an orchestra of movements to becoming a partner in a dance, the partner is the fish on the end of the line. As the dance continues, the angler is still painting a scene, a new musical writing has begun with the orchestra, as it becomes a story of rejection and affection, the desire to feel while the partner tries to end something so graceful until the strains become too much and the partner conceeds to the anglers' lead. Is flyfishing an artform, most definately, evolving over the ages, unlike a painting, an art that is living, breathing, feeling, and will be passed on to future generations like it has been passed on to us from past generations.

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from Tyler P wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Because "Brad Pitt" made it cool to be a fly fisherman...and April Vokey makes it hip to chase big steelhead with the long sword and drool over hot chicks in waders!!

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from jeff k wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Why Flyfishing is the highest angling art-form? Well i'm no artist but once in a while you'll tie on your own fly, get that perfect cast, drift and take. Usually the next cast is in the trees but for that one moment all things come together on the canvas for you.what flyfishing means to you? It's a way of life. It's learning, teaching, exploring and just being outdoors with people who feel the same. Many great memories are created on the stream and you'll have them for life. Someday i hope to take my son fishing and create great memories for him.

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from ??? wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Quote "performing felatio (sic) on women"?JoeF - how can you perform fellatio on a woman?Women don't have d..ks

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from JoeG wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Ok, I have tried waxing poetic in the past but I think I just want to be myself this time. Flyfishing is art, it is pretty, expressive, and technical. Put another way, it is basically an engine to some form of self expression or enlightenment perhaps. In the end though, it goes like this. Flyfishing is like riding on a Harley, owning a diesel truck or performing felatio on women. If you gotta ask, you wouldnt understand! :) Dats my 2 cents.........bitches!

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from BirdDog wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

If fishing were golf, then fly rods would be putters. Spinning rods drivers. Baitcasters pitching wedges. It's all about distance and presentation, and using the right tool for the job. I always shake my head when I see guys flailing away in a strong wind with a fly rod when they could be dropping their lures on target every time with spinning gear. But then, I also shake my head when I see guys dragging spinners through a trout pool when the fish are rising.There's also the fun factor. If conditions permit catching fish on a dry fly, I'll choose that over a rapala any day, because it's more thrilling. But if nothing is biting I'd rather throw out bait and catch fish than spend hours of fruitless dredging with a beadhead.Fishing is fishing.

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from Chad Miller wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

I have thought about this question before. Is fly fishing an art form? My knee jerk hardcore fishing response is no it is just fishing and can be what you want it to be. If I am honest, minus the hardcore response, it is more than that. My inclination in the shop when people speak of it in esoteric terms is to give my response in good ole' boy Hoosier, "it is just fishing let's not make it more than it is".If I really bare my soul and explain my true feelings about it, it is much more. I will admit I am a romantic and tend to romanticize all of my hobbies/loves. I think of them in terms of taste, smell and sound. They are more than just a picture in my mind they are accompanied by everything that makes up the experience. It is like going to a basketball game and smelling the popcorn and hearing sneakers squeek on the gym floor. I get those same senses of existence from fly fishing as well. More goes into the art form of fly fishing than just catching fish or even the process of it. It is everything that surrounds it. It is the smell of musty waders, the sound of a bass popper being wacked and the sight of everything fantastic that God made around it. If you are looking for technical fly fishing tag line here well I ain't got any; that is a discussion for another time. The question of art form can only be answered in the romance of the past time. It has an heirloom quality that is ideally passed down from generation through generation, as it has been in my family.The question is about art form not a fishing question. Just because you are a fly angler it doesn't make you a great angler, quit the contrary. What it will do, if you let it, is take you in another direction of senses. I hope we don't loose the romance of it just because we want the sport to be more inclusive. Believe me as a shop owner we need more anglers in the sport. But lets not forget the past and why this sport has survived as it has for 100's of years.Man after what I just wrote I should probably have my Hetro cred checked! Call it "Confessions of a Hardcore Fly Angler". I hope my friends don't read this!!!Sorry about that forgot to post my name on the last post.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

I have thought about this question before. Is fly fishing an art form? My knee jerk hardcore fishing response is no it is just fishing and can be what you want it to be. If I am honest, minus the hardcore response, it is more than that. My inclination in the shop when people speak of it in esoteric terms is to give my response in good ole' boy Hoosier, "it is just fishing let's not make it more than it is".If I really bare my soul and explain my true feelings about it, it is much more. I will admit I am a romantic and tend to romanticize all of my hobbies/loves. I think of them in terms of taste, smell and sound. They are more than just a picture in my mind they are accompanied by everything that makes up the experience. It is like going to a basketball game and smelling the popcorn and hearing sneakers squeek on the gym floor. I get those same senses of existence from fly fishing as well. More goes into the art form of fly fishing than just catching fish or even the process of it. It is everything that surrounds it. It is the smell of musty waders, the sound of a bass popper being wacked and the sight of everything fantastic that God made around it. If you are looking for technical fly fishing tag line here well I ain't got any; that is a discussion for another time. The question of art form can only be answered in the romance of the past time. It has an heirloom quality that is ideally passed down from generation through generation, as it has been in my family.The question is about art form not a fishing question. Just because you are a fly angler it doesn't make you a great angler, quit the contrary. What it will do, if you let it, is take you in another direction of senses. I hope we don't loose the romance of it just because we want the sport to be more inclusive. Believe me as a shop owner we need more anglers in the sport. But lets not forget the past and why this sport has survived as it has for 100's of years.Man after what I just wrote I should probably have my Hetro cred checked! Call it "Confessions of a Hardcore Fly Angler". I hope my friends don't read this!!!

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from Bryan wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

It's clearly the names of the terminal equipment that makes fly fishing the winner. Muddler Minnow vs mepps, Chernobyl Ant vs worm, Wooley Bugger vs corn, Bead Head Hares Ear vs crankbait. The list just keeps on going with names like Royal Humpy, Royal Wulff, Serendipity, PMD, etc. They are just funner to say. Although seeing a trout come from the depths of the stream to take your parachute adams ain't so bad.

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from Peeet wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Well I have to give this a sporting chance because I've been dying to float that section of the Gunnison. And this all is just turning a bit ugly between camps. I'd have to admit though I sometimes get a little put off when a guy is chuckin a spinner through a nice hole I was working up to. But I need to remind myself he's out fishing. Doing what he loves. My friend of many years died recently skiing in RMNP and many called him stupid for doing it alone. Not sure if anyone else there could've saved him but you gotta hand it to the guy. He went doing what he loved. We should all be so lucky.Now, that aside, I do love fly fishing over all other forms for one key reason. It's a form of fishing you can enjoy either doing or watching. I'm reminded of this taking my turn on the oars as I point out spots for the guys fishing to hit. Or when you watch a hungry slab chase a bugger out of the deapths. I've also sat on the bank and admired my father make the most difficult cast look easy and realized where I got my skills as a fly-caster. And sometimes, when the fish aren't biting you just find a flat rock and appreciate the sounds and sights around you till the next rise. Now, I do believe I have some waders to patch for my next trip out. Maybe the Gunnison? We'll see.

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from brett wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

i believe that any type of fishing is a great way of getting out on the river, creek, etc. i also think that fly fishing is the highest form of fishing, not only because of the skill necassary but also because of the lengths some go to ie; research the hatch, tie flys into the wee hours of the morning drive hours just to catch a big fish they were told about just to release it so another day some one else can "dance" with it. i think that all types of fishing are relevant and a good source of recreation and niether side should look down on the other. i know that all types work since ive caught fish using all stylesof fishing and i think.well theres my best shot

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from jerry k wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

gunga lagunga

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from Alex Pernice the fly rod winner wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Hey Joey... CORN!!!

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from joey wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

fly fishing was originally used with live bait (live hoppers), so don't knock bait fishing or spin fishing. you can take any form of angling to either extreme.just ask any guide, fly fishing is full of weekend warriors spanking the water with coneheaded woolly buggers and sinking lines or flailing (aka 'casting') big fluffy indicators and 1/4 of split shot 5 feet in front of them. i don't know how you call that the 'highest' art form, if you can even call it an art form. get over yourselves, fellow fly fishermen, and just enjoy what you do for yourself instead of masturbating to the esotericsm of the sport.

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from KD wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Joey wins! Just so I have an excuse to get him down in the Canyon... But will he come back out? I think the next post will be like the "Larry the Lobster" SNL contest: Should Joey come out of the Black Canyon or not.Just kidding, of course.We'll let this ride a few more days... see if we can't smoke out a few more po'd knuckle-draggers, then make a call after Turkey day.I don't know what's more fun, teasing and hooking fish with flies, or teasing and hooking baitwhackers with words.

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from TVN wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

I think back to the days of tweed, tobacco pipes, hand-snelled hooks and creels packed with fish. In the early days of the sport, the pursuit was the same as any angling - bring home something for the dinner plate, and enjoy yourself as you do it. Since then, and since 'the movie,' things have changed. Many folks do it for the pursuit, many for the artistic side. Somehow, since we've stopped keeping the fish, the attitude has gone up, but the art has not followed. Sure, there's inlaid reel seats, full dress salmon flies and nickel reels, but has the technique and enjoyment followed? I think not. So if fly-fishing is the most artistic form of fishing, it's because of its founders, not the current practitioners.

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from Fat Guy Alex wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

So what?.....So Lets Dance!

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from joey wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

does any body here realize how ga*y they are reveling in this pathetic post, trying to win some ridiculous online popularity contest, self-aggrandizing, self-important bull scheist. YOU FLY FISH, SO f'n WHAT!!

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from joey wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

fly fishing is a higher art form because it's more expensive.

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from Sue B wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

An artist doesn't build a masterpiece overnight. Art is a lifelong pursuit that is a personal journey. An artist strives to learn and grow from his mistakes and improve his craft through hours of practice. A spontaneous brushstroke or a single line placed in just the right spot might turn out to be an artist's greatest work. In the end, it's his collective experiences that bring the artist closer to perfection and make the journey fun. Fly fishing, like art, is a craft that is ever changing, ever evolving, and ever growing. For the beginner the challenge may be a simple knot or to land a dozen clean casts before the eminent tangle. As the angler advances her craft, it may be the number of fish caught or, later, the size of the fish caught. Everyday there's a new scenario to tackle: match the hatch, rig the rod, read the current, find where the fish are feeding, and make the perfect drift. I am never bored fly fishing. Just when I think I've got it all figured out, nature throws a curve ball my way, just to humble me and remind me I still have a lifetime of learning ahead. Fly fishing is a physical, mental, and spiritual journey. When everything flows just right, the composition is like the most beautiful painting I've ever seen.BTW, I've always wanted to float the Gunnison Gorge.

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from Fat Guy Alex wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Not at all, Mr. Creosote. That retard would definitely have to practice... baitcasters can be a pain in the butt to cast proficiently.

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from Mike wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Flyfishing for trout, far from others, is escape. No one else around to impress or criticize. One's skill against the fish, its environment, and whatever else might be trolling the water and shores. Senses are heightened. Focus is absolute. Read the water, the skies, and the wind; observe the insects and active hatches; stalk the fish; present the fly; mend the line; set the hook; and play the fish in; while stealthily treading a slimy stream bottom where one could slip and be wisked under a sweeper or into a deep hole; all while mindful of those footfalls or movements along the shores. All the world's stresses just go out of mind and out of body - finally wade out of the stream tired but mentally refreshed.

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from Evan V wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Fly fishing, more of a lifestyle than a sport. Chasing what is hard to obtain, but not impossible. A perfect blend of entomology, zoology, and angling skill with the ability to turn the smartest astrophysicist into a trout bum in the time it takes to tie a fly, cast it, and retrieve it with a fish attached to it.

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from John wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Sorry for the snarky response, but flyfishing's nasty little dark side is that we still have people who think it is the highest angling art form. Fishing is fishing. I prefer to do it with a fly rod, some other guy prefers to do it with a spinning rod. We're one and the same. Let protecting the resource justify our existence, not our egos.

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from Koldkut wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Levi,All forms of fishing are good enough, its about the fish, no doubt. And there are some fly guys who are conceited, and others who don't really care what your doing as long as you are catching fish. It's all art, and the eye of this beholder, fly-fishing is the highest form for me. Don't get me wrong, I still spin fish and dunk bait my fair share, and I'll be the first guy to start handing out flies to other folks, even the worm and bobber guys, when the fish aren't taking bait and they are into the flies. Seeing the smile on a kids face when the fishin's hot, always puts a smile on my face regardless of how they are catching them.

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from Levi wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Sure sometimes while casting a lure I just throw it out randomly, I don't have a boat, a fishfinder, etc. I learn the layout by what I can see and what I can "feel" with my lure. So sometimes it looks like I'm "flogging" the water, but when I know what's there then the precision starts. I have no doubt it takes skill and precision to cast a fly and place where you want it, drift it, set the hook, land the fish, but I would argue that casting a lure to a particular spot, just between those branches over there, without getting a backlash and working the lure back in the right way to catch the bass that's most likely hiding there takes a considerable amount of skill too. Nothing against bait fisherman here (I've certainly been guilty of looking down my nose at them before), but we all like to feel good about ourselves by glorifying our particular method or style. It's who we are as people, we have pride and like to think that we're better or at least as good as most of the people around us. Tell me this, when you want to introduce a kid to fishing, are you really going to try and start them on a fly!? Or are you going to take them down to the water and drown a few worms so they can catch some fish? Maybe it is "the highest angling art form" but art is in the eye of the beholder and I'd much rather see a kid excited about catching a fish than some conceited ass telling me my type of fishing isn't good enough.

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from Mr. Creosote wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Hey Fat Guy, so you're saying any "retard" could pick up a baitcaster and start casting like a pro?

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from Alex Pernice the fly rod winner wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Well to be honest, Fly fishing is more of a challenge than throwing some corn or power bait ( Yea I'm raggin on joey on this one.) you have to find what there eating, what size, what color, and most of all, how the hell to cast and keep that darn size 2 cone head bugger out of the back of you're head ect.

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from Nick wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Because fly fishing has stretched the extremities of possibility to its maximum levels. Think about it this way: so many fine details have to come together to produce a single meaningless and (often) taken for granted result. you have to tie a mostly weightless fly that represents a food item, learn to cast it using a fly line that weighs more than the fly which you use by flick back and forwards at the end of carbon or cane stick that is the end result of many hours of research, maufacture and discussion, hidden form the fish by way a monofilaments hydrocarbon line designed to be strong yet invisible. and at the end of all that the little buggers still might be scared by your cast, your wading, your boat, a tree, the sky etc. In some ways you wonder how you ever manage to catch a fish at all, but when you do the combination of a series of narrowingly, near-impossible events makes its so beautiful, how could it not be art?and this can apply whether you're throwing #28 tricos on a 1 weight to winter browns, 1/0 bugs at bass on an 8 weight or 8/0 triple tube streamers at billfish on a 14 weight stump pullerCompare it to a Caravaggio - its easy to look from a distance and say yes i can do that, but look closely and try and replicate it and you'll see how much hard work and skill goes into such an "easy" thing.

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from Fat Guy Alex wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Fly fishing is no better than any other type of fishing when it comes down to the goal of fishing in general. It is still some a-hole taking a fish out of a body of water under false pretenses.The main difference is that any retard can throw a lure a mile and reel it back in, but it takes a certain level of practice, discipline and patience to cast a fly with any level of dignity and grace.Add that to the amount that one needs to know to feel proficient at fly fishing and its no wonder the sport produces so many condescending, stuck-up boobs.It is a great thing though, that fly fishing. I love it.

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from Koldkut wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

In all forms of angling, the objective lies in brining a fish to hand using a rod, line, and hook. It would seem that a fish is a fish no matter how you caught it, but the proofs in the pudding, that fly-fishing is the highest form of angling. It’s man vs. nature on the stream; you’re up against all elements and not just the fish. Trying to duplicate what’s happening naturally with a hook and thread and feathers to bring it all together in the hopes of cradling your quarry and take in a serene moment. No other moment like this can exist where you sit in a chair listening to motors running and electronics beep at you. Fly-fishing to me is a way to ease out of the daily grind and go back to a simpler day, to get away from the high tech machine laden world around my daily life. It drains all stress away and sends it downstream leaving me content to sit and take it all in. In all the forms of angling that I participate in, I would rather catch one fish on the fly then 5 any other way.

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from ethan wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

There are two types of fishing: Active and Passive. Bait fishing is Passive, while Flyfishing is Active. To baitfish requires no more than that one bait the hook, throw it out and wait. There is almost no skill required to baitfish. Where there is no skill, there can be no perfection of skill, and where this is not, there can be no perfection to the point of mastery or artistry. To flyfish is by far the more artful and polished action: one must know how to get the fly "out there," and the techniques and timing so as to keep from entangling the line and/or snagging oneself; one must be able to "read water" to know where fish will be, how current will act upon a fly and how then to cast for the best presentation; one must know which fly to use under what circumstances. Once these things are mastered, it can be fairly said that one is a master fisherman--an artist--because he has come nearest to perfection: thinking like the current carrying a drifting insect, thinking like a trout in it and keeping his line in proper order and time to make those thoughts converge in reality upon the right place at the right time. To me, flyfishing means a chance to escape the complexities and burdens of this world, to have some time to reinvigorate my spirit and to get some quality quiet time to myself. To me, a half-day on a troutstream is more relaxing and revitalizing than two weeks on a luxury cruise. As a friend of mine put it, "The act of flyfishing is a transcendence of the mundane and slavish world we have come to know as reality."Yes, we purists are a snobby, stuck-up group. But judging from the results of a day baitfishing at the town pond compared to a day on a pristine troutstream in the backwoods, we have every right to be."Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over rocks from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. Under the rocks are the words, and some of the words are theirs. I am haunted by waters."~Norman Maclean

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from Daren wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

I love all fishing, I don't care what kind it is. I fish with lures, I fish with bait and I fly fish. It all depends upon the situation. It doesn't matter to me or should it anyone else, what kind of fishing we do. Isn't it supposed to be about fun, and all fishing is fun. I use whatever technique catches the most fish. I fly fish the most because I can catch the most fish by fly fishing. I fly fish for trout, bass, panfish, Carp, or anything else will bite with a flyrod because it is fun. I am not afraid to fish with any techinque that catches fish, Why because it is fun.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

well i think that we get enough recognition, if we got anymore wouldnt that rewin the sport, the streams would be crouded and the gear would get more expensive becaus eof the damand, and in 13 and im having a hard time geting what i need with birthday money!

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from jerry k wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

a flyfisheman is a person that connects to the sport on a more personal level ,you tie flys,match the hatch,stalk your fish,get that perfect drift and when it all comes together and you have that fish in your hands you get a level of satisfaction you dont get from floating a shiner under a bobber and thats flyfishing is anglings highest art-form.

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from joey wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

sorry, but as much as i love fly fishing (and it's almost all i do), i think it has one of the most self-righteous, snobby group of participants in all of angling. fishing is fishing, man. why even make the comparison? to feed your ego? i'm secure with what i do, no need to position myself 'higher' than anyone else. flailing around inefficiently with thousands of dollars in gear just to catch a fish and throw it back.oops, i guess i didn't win.

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from Mr. Creosote wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Don't knock the Power Bait. It's not bad spread on a Triscuit.And it's perfectly natural to whack the bait now and then. Just don't let anyone see you doing it.These oughtta be fun to read, but if flyfishing is the highest and purest form of angling then you should also devote a future blog post to the lowest...

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from KD wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

That, right there, is a contender.

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from eric wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

I'm sure the prize will go to someone who writes something far more profound. But to my mind, the question is readily settled by the simple fact that nobody would ever want to wear power-bait boxer shorts.

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