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September 18, 2008

Update: Legislators Look To Lift Michigan Bait Ban; State Holds It’s Ground

By Scott Bestul

From the Detroit Free Press:

A trio of state lawmakers called on DNR Director Rebecca Humphries to rescind a ban on deer baiting in the Lower Peninsula that was enacted in response to an outbreak of Chronic Wasting Disease on a game farm in Kent County.

State Reps. Jeff Mayes, D-Bay City, and Joel Sheltrown, D-West Branch, along with state Sen. James Barcia, D-Bay City, said the economic impact on the growers of bait crops could be devastating, and that reductions in the deer harvest by hunters who stay home rather than go into the field without bait could actually contribute to the spread of the disease (as larger herds congregate).

And from an AP story on Mlive.com:

Michigan wildlife officials Wednesday stood behind their decision to ban deer baiting in the Lower Peninsula despite pressure from a few lawmakers. . . .

The DNR said in a statement the ban will help preserve a healthy deer herd. Disease can be spread through deer saliva and other secretions. The DNR said congregating deer at bait sites increases the chances of spreading disease.

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from Harry wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

If baiting is causing the spread of CWD and you can not bait in colorado. Then why do they have so many cases there??? This is not a decision based on science. This is political. Who has the most power?

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from Baiter favor wrote 5 years 26 weeks ago

One thing for sure, hunters sure don't know how how to spell based on these blogs!

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from JCP wrote 5 years 27 weeks ago

I am tired of the banter also. Bait, no bait, to me it is just another right of choice that I have taken away. Mark my words the next step is the mandatory QDMA rules for Michigan and yet another restriction on Michigan Hunters. I predicted the baiting ban as being permanent, and speaking with a DNR official, he says it is permanent, and my next prediction is mandatory antler size like they are doing in the UP. I have 2 teenage sons and 2 brothers and my dad that hunt and when this QDMA crap happens I will hunt deer no more. I have been a strong advocate for hunting and MUCC and that ends also. I am a property owner and we farm and I see all of our rights being taken away by the few hunters who have an agenda. We stood for the bear hunting ban, no more! We stood by the trappers when PETA came for them, no more! The division amongst hunters that we feared so much is here and we will not stand for hunting rights no more. We have managed our land for wildlife and good sound deer management and I have spent over 25 years in the conservation field in Michigan and I am sickened on what I read here and what I see happening to our heritage. We will hunt still but we will stand no more and fight like we have so passionately for hunting rights in the past as we watch the DNR and QDMA and other special interest groups tear hunting apart. I am saddened because my good old days I thought for hunting were still yet to come and now I see that I have already seen them and lived them and my sons will not. Thanks hunters for standing by us and standing together all these years, but my deer camp will soon fade out of the fight and 6 more outdoorsman will no longer be there. Trophy hunters she's all yours, but do not ask to hunt our land nor ask us to fight, my Michigan family says to MUCC, DNR, Field and Stream, and all other hunting groups out there, we fight NO MORE!

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from Joe wrote 5 years 28 weeks ago

This is ridiculous. It's ONE fenced farm in Greenville. But let's make the rest of the state suffer. If Humphries wasn't an anti-hunter, this wouldn't happen.If hunters wouldn't trophy hunt, this wouldn't be an issue either. If it's venison, shoot it. You can't eat antlers. If you won't shoot a deer on the first day that you wouldn't shoot on the last day becasue it's not a trophy buck, you're not a real hunter, and you're doing it for the wrong reasons.There is impact to this entire state because of ONE farm off M-57 in Greenville. Anyone that argues baiting is unethical should instead focus efforts on high-fence hunting. That's not hunting to me...

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from steve wrote 5 years 28 weeks ago

For all of you people that say that you are against baiting and agree with the DNR you obviously are not hunters. I hunt all over North America and the worst place to hunt is Michigan. There is not a population problem or a CWD problem. DNR says there is a population problem to sell tags. And as for CWD there was a big TB scare about 10 years about and that went no where i think they found 1 deer with that. We need to have 1 doe and one buck tag given out to everyone...Let the small ones walk so we to can be like Canada or Illinois.

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 29 weeks ago

The baiting ban really ought to occur in the areas that this all started. All high fence operation should be terminated. Where did CWD start out west? In a high fence enclosure. Where did CWD start in Wisconsin?? In a high fence enclosure.Where did CWD start in Michigan??? In a high fence enclosure. Does anyone but me see something consistent about where all of this has started???? Outlaw High fence zoos and terminate their stock. Save our natural herd for our generations of hunters still in diapers.

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from gary wrote 5 years 29 weeks ago

I can"t understand banning baiting in the whole lower half of michigan. The deer baiting ban should only take place in the county or joining county if it's under 50 miles. To ban the whole lower half is crazy and to extreme.It will hurt the farmers and the people who sell it and hurt the whole econemy!

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from gary wrote 5 years 29 weeks ago

I can"t understand banning baiting in the whole lower half of michigan. The deer baiting ban should only take place in the county or joining county if it's under 50 miles. To ban the whole lower half is crazy and to extreme.It will hurt the farmers and the people who sell it and hurt the whole econemy!

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

Go ahead and bait, If you think the LAW dosen't apply to you go for it BBBUUUTTT be ready to accept the fine without whining. I've heard that it will be $500.00 for first offense, $1000.00 for second , jail time for the third and so on. Of course it would be cheaper to just hunt without bait but alot of you don't know how too. This does envolve some minor skills and knowledge. I teach a class every thursday night so just call me at 1-800- IAM-ABEETER I'll try to help you out,but you've got to want to learn.

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from Rebecca J wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

I would have to agree with everything that Tom G had to say. People need to look at the all the monies that are being lost. I now of farmers that have all there monies into seeds and everythings. An now they are saying they don't know how they are going to feed there own family becasue this is how they make there money.

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from Bill S. wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

I think this ban is crazy!I do not bait,but i have no problem sitting under a apple tree,or watching a pile of corn that the farmer spilled loading his wagon.These diseases have been around since there have been animals,and god will take care of them as he sees fit!I really dont think the goverment thought this out very well,our state is in enough TROUBLE!we need all the revenue cirulating that we can get,people DO NOT need to be losing there jobs in this day and time and thats all that this ban is doing is costing people there jobs!Baiting has been leagal for how many years and we have had how many cases of what?This is just another way for our goverment to f**k the people and our economy!As for them caring about our deer herd thats a bunch of BS too,if they did we wouldnt be able to shoot 7 deer this year,what are we going to hunt next year?If everybody takes advantage of this our deer population will be suffering next year!Soo somebody please tell me does the DNR or goverment or who ever really know whats best for us and our deer population, I REALLY dont think soo!! All these people are book smart but what about a little common sense?They should know everything but i dont think they know anything.The deer will get CWD if its around whether we bait or not,deer use the same licking brach,eat on the same ear of corn standing in the field eat off the same pile of corn or beans the farmer spilled,I have even seen deer licking noses while i have been hunting,soo if CWD is around deer will get it naturaly,the only thing this ban is doing is hurting us.Whether you bait our not it SHOULD BE YOUR CHOICE!ONLY YOU KNOW IF YOU ARE A TRUE SPORTSMAN OR NOT!

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from Jerry wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

I don't think this is anything that a $10 billion class-action lawsuit couldn't fix.There is no tangible link between baiting and CWD.Even thought the DNR doesn't like baiting, Rebecca & Co. are too stupid to recognize that revenue will go down because people won't buy licenses if they can't bait.There will be alot of guys who will refuse to buy a license this year and hunt anyway. They will still bait and end up poaching.All thanks to an idiot director at the helm.

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from DANNY wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

according to the law food plots are also illegal. the seeds you put on the ground are a grain before they germinate. so thats not the answer. im a baiter and will always bait no matter what happens.

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from don mitchell wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

i live about ten miles south of the farm,and your Right,no new info at this time.

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from don mitchell wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

Tom G., you make a lot more seance than most of the comments on this blog,thanks

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from joe wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

im not sure if anyone noticed but nate also was mad because a man killed a bear that provoked him

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from Dave wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

I think we should stop the spell check ban.

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from Tom G wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

I’m a Michigan hunter who has hunted both with and without bait. (I sometimes use bait because I hunt a 27 acre parcel and it is easy for deer to evade me by crossing over to the neighbor’s property.) I hunt a few miles from the deer farm where the infected deer was discovered. This is my take on the DNR baiting ban.CWD is not a “highly contagious” disease. It was found in one three year old deer in a fenced farm. It is illegal to import deer from out of state, and the farmer apparently claimed that this deer was born on his farm. If that is true, then it has been there for three years and yet none of the other deer on the farm had the disease. (All other deer on the farm were killed and tested and came out negative.) If the disease were “highly contagious,” then we would expect to see other deer infected also. The likely conclusions are that we have a spontaneous appearance of CWD (which was recent enough to have not spread but old enough to have produced symptoms in this one deer) or the infected deer was brought in from somewhere else (again, recently enough not to have spread but long enough to produce symptoms). Each reader can make his only conclusions about which of these is more likely.So, what is the DNR to do? Several years ago it devised a response plan for the day when CWD might appear in Michigan. One thing it planned to do was to institute a statewide baiting ban. The value of having a prepared plan is that the DNR didn’t have to scramble to react when the CWD appeared. The flaw, of course, is that the DNR could not know the precise circumstances under which it might appear, and so the plan might not fit those circumstances. Another part of the plan is to test 500 local deer culled within a few miles of the farm (a region called “the hotspot”) to see if any wild deer have the disease. That step is in process, perhaps helped by a current antlerless, early deer season that runs for a week before archery season begins.)Now we know some of the circumstances. A captive deer became sick and/or died and the owner was required by law to report this to the DNR. It tested positive for CWD so a statewide ban on baiting was imposed. All deer on the farm were tested and came up negative. We are still awaiting the results on the wild deer in and near the hotspot.If testing turns up positive, then a wide baiting ban (over several counties around the hotspot) would be prudent. But if the testing turns up negative, then why ban baiting anywhere? A genuine issue exists of whether we have an instance of an infected deer being smuggled into Michigan. It makes no sense to ban baiting hundreds of miles away because of that. In fact, there is no sense in banning baiting anywhere if that is true.The DNR needs to be vigilant. I agreed with the immediate ban while further investigation is done. But it is starting to look like this is an isolated incident. The DNR has not announced any positive test results from the wild deer it has been collecting. The statewide baiting ban does have tremendous economic implications for farmers, distributors and those who depend on the deer hunting economy. It is not sufficient, as has been reported in the news, for the DNR to simply say that this response plan was devised several years ago and therefore there will be no deviation from the plan. The response should adjust as the circumstances develop. I can live with a baiting ban for my hunting in the hotspot this year. But I question the wisdom of banning bait hundreds of miles away in northern and eastern Michigan.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

Michigan's deer herd is a mess.Overpopulated, out of whack ratio, all in an overbrowsed forest, yet all some of you care to talk about is whether sitting over a pile of apples is REAL hunting or not.Keep doing what you guys are doing and between CWD and EHD there won't be much to bait for. Nature has a way of taking care of problems like these.

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from therock48880 wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

Don, I think you are missing the point. The idea behind banning baiting is to keep deer from congregating. Yet you say that people should use scents to attract them or use food plots. Wouldn't that make deer congregate also?Also, you suggested that people read what they write and that people read these posts. You mention that in the same paragraph where you call people "retards". Maybe you should practice what you preach.

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from therock48880 wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

The remaining 51 deer that were penned with the deer that was found with CWD were killed and tested. All of them tested negative. Yet, the ENTIRE STATE has a ban put on baiting? The infected deer was in a PEN. How can CWD have been spread from that penned deer to wild deer throughout the entire state? The DNR's reasoning to ban baiting is bizarre, to say the least.

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from Ben wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

Lower the deer harvest in MI, increase the population of deer, reduce the spread of CWD?Next step: ban bucks from fighting and introduce wolves in the L.P. because the hunters aren't killing enough. This is in line with the MI DNR's thinking.CWD was brought to MI by the illegal transfer of elk to a deer FARM. Why don't we shut down these operations? The only true phony hunters in this world are those who pay thousands of dollars to blast a deer in an enclosure. Baiting is an effective way to harvest deer and provides a motionless shot that increases your chance to cleanly harvest the animal. There is nothing wrong with this in my opinion.Shut down the farming of wild animals that should only be wild in the first place! Although this may hurt the ratings of the whitetail "Experts" we watch on TV.

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from Don wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

I am a hunter and I have used bait for hunting. You people complaining about banning it are retards, why don't you look for other ways to tag a deer instead of complaining? I don't know, maybe a decoy or food plot or using scents just to mention a few. I understand a tool has been taken away from you, but why don't you sit down and work around the problem and come up with a solution in order to tag a deer. Think about what you are typing and saying before you put it on the internet or saying it because people read what you write and people listen to what you say. Don't mention other things that should be taken away because it is comparable to baiting i.e. food plots. Remember people read this stuff. Be grateful for what rights you do have.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

Hunting: the pursuit of game according to Merriam Webster. If you pile corn up you are not pursuing. Why not walk out in the woods, find rub lines and scrapes and actually enjoy and learn about your surroundings? Putting up a feeder and training the deer to come to you is about as unethical as shooting them at night with a spotlight. Plus it changes their natural movements and concentrates them in a small area and causes over-population AND diseases! If you're too lazy to get out of your ground blind beside your feeder you don't belong in the woods with real hunters.

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

I HOPE the DNR puts out thousand dollar fines for bubba bait hunters who ignore the States Laws. LAWS ARE LAWS and if you do not take heed you will what? Get ticketed and have your day in court. I can't believe that when I drive by gas stations what are they selling right out front?? bags upon bags of corn. It's almost like they are saying- go ahead and buy it dumb dumb, I'm not gonna get fined.

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from I'm in school right now wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

Mark,you hit it right on the spot man.Nate

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from don mitchell wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

KEN P. Sr.THANKS, nuff said,Don M.

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from cam wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Mark,Sounds like you Drink more than you hunt.

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from Mark wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

YOU GUYS SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF CRY BABIES! YOU DO NOT NEED BAIT TO HUNT! IF YOU GUYS WOULD USE BAIT RESPONSIBLY WE WOULDN'T BE DEBATING THIS.FOR ALL OF YOU GUYS THAT THINK MORE IS BETTER,YOUR A DUMB S.O.B. SHUT YOUR FLAPS AND GO HUNTING.

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from cb wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Jonny,It's official.You are a Democrat and have some PETA blood in you.

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from Jonny wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

first of all you can't compare gun control to baiting, second, with your philosophy, if shooting deer out of the window was legal, then deamed illegal, you would right, only poachers would shoot deer out windows. Get a clue I ain't telling you what to do, but i hope the MI DNR makes you a poacher because apparently no one can tell you what to do

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from Ken Pekarek Sr. wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Why all the ridiculous banter about baiting and your so-called manhood just because you hunt a certain way. CWD "is" a serious problem, but to ban a hunting practice because of "one" deer in one enclosed deer farm is goofy. That is "not" over reacting? CWD has been around for a long time and primarily out west whether there is baiting or not. It is a natural phenomenon when you have over population or heavy concentrations of deer, elk, or whatever. The comment about getting a degree and knowing more than common folks has nothing to do with the problem. The educated wildlife biologists are not in charge. The Michigan DNR is run by bureaucrats not biologists. The Michigan DNR Commission runs on a different agenda. I don't hunt over bait but can see it being used by elderly or very young hunters. I can also see it being used by anyone. or choosing to hunt without it. It is just another method. To say it is wrong is akin to saying that using improved weapons is wrong too. Let each man, woman, or yougster choose what ever leagal method works for them. It is far more important that we encourage people to continue to hunt and to encourage young people to join our sport. Everyone complaining about the othere guys methods is like the crap we listen to every day from Obama and McCain.....criticism without any solutions or encouragement.

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from cb wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Jonny,If they take our guns away then only the gangs will have guns ?If they take the baiting away then only the poachers will bait ?DO NOT TELL ME WHAT TO DO.DO NOT TELL ME WHEN TO DO IT.DO NOT TELL ME HOW TO DO IT.I WILL DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR MYSELF,MY FAMILY, MY LAND.P.S -- ( Bait or No Bait )

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from Jonny wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Oh really, so you have had some classes in wildlife diseases? or management? Or you just know because you have baited deer for years?? I guess ignorance is bliss

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from cb wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

If the moon phase was not in line and the milk was bad -- it might explane your beligerance on the subject.Ted Nugent said it best "Where have we seen this before.

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from Jonny wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Do some research cb get your head out of the sand and Whiskey Foxtrot Tango does being breast fed as a kid have to do with it??

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from cb wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Jonny,were you brest feed as a kid ?

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from Jonny wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Brainwashed into thinking CWD is a bad disease for a herd to have? Or that baiting is for people that don't want to put his or her time in? I could care less if you trust the DNR or not, but I gurantee you on their worst day they know five hundred times as much about the MI deer herd and CWD that you do. If you go to school and get a masters degree in wildlife management (usually what it takes to get a wildlife job) then you can come and enlighten all of us on how CWD in one fenced in area is not that big of deal, just like it wasn't a big deal in CO in a fenced area, which still can't get rid of the disease in their elk. just for your ingnorant sake, i hope all the deer on ONLY your property get CWD and die, of course then you would blame the DNR for not doing enough,

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

You sound like a fella who is only worried about his way of hunting and not generations of hunters who might never experience hunting whitetails the way we have. is baiting worth it sugar beeter?

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from cb wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Don,you speak the truth.Rebecca Humphries is bad for the Michigan deer herd.Jonny and Walt need to think outside the box-- They have been brain washed into thinking the way they do.I wish there was a government program that would help them realize there shotcommings.

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from don mitchell wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

there is NO,NO CWD IN FREE RANGE DEER,THAT WE KNOW OF AT THIS POINT IN MI. ONLY IN ONE FENCED FARM.(ONE)THE BAN MAKES NO SENCE AT ALL,I DO NOT TRUST THE DNR,NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL.DON

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

I completly stand with the STATE and DNR director Rebecca Humphries on their decision to ban baiting in Michigan. This is a highly contaigious disease and needs extreme measures to combat it. Personaly I feel that food plots should also be banned. Common sense (thats the sense that most people don't have) opens the eyes to the FACT!! that food plots are absolutly the same thing only on a much larger scale as bait piles. The only reason people plant them is to attract deer,RIGHT? DUH!! If your attracting deer to a certain location no matter how large, on purpose, what are you doing?? BAITING DEER BUBBA!!! There are those who will argue the opposite of this till hell freezes over but the end is still the same. You don't harvest the crop for sale, your not a certified farmer,you are a baiter who is doing their best to help spread this disease throught Michigan. Thanks Bubba. Ted Nuget says its okay to bait. Ted isn't even a full time citizen of Michigan. He owns at least two high fence operations (Where this all started) and really dosen't care about us as much as he cares about Ted this is painfully obivious.Spirit of the wind my AXE! Ban baiting completly, EXTERMINATE high fence operations and their stock in Michigan and for GODS SAKE!!!! do everything we can to save our natural herd!

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from as moeggs wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

I have baited, and believe it works well. However, it will be a cold day in hail when i'm willing to sacrifice our deer herd for the simple right to bait. I think it's a bunch of bull sheet to bring the economy in as an excuse to bait. People will actually have to become hunters and buy a good pair of boots, put a little more time in the woods to get a deer. There, thats my idea of an economy stimulus.

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from Jonny wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

? The peta comment was referring to a few posts up. If it is for viewing as you claim, how do people in other states "view" deer or even hunt them without bait? I have been hunting a long time, as well as the rest of the people in Minnesota, South and North Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, Nebraska, and every other state that doesn't allow baiting, and we seem to do just fine. I bet you are proud of the deer you shot over bait. You say something like "Damn, I sure had to hunt hard for this ten pointer, I must have had to fill up my feeder 3 times this summer and fall, but boy that mollassis and apples really did the trick." MAN UP!! put your time in. Now that said I would agree that the deer in Michigan are overpopulated, and more need to be killed, but seems to me the more deer there are, the less you bait cuz more deer= more deer sightings, thats kinds Wildlife Management 101 there but just think about it.

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from concerend wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Jonny,Baiting has been a national past time before you were born.Its not just for hunting -- its for viewing.The problem with the Michican deer heerd is not baiting.--Its in-breading.Season needs to be longer and more deer need to be killed.Once the herd is healthy then we can manage it.Your support for PETA is hypacritical as you say you are a hunter.Take some time to decide if you would like to grow to become a man or if you would prefer the lifestyle of peta.

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from Jonny wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Baiting isn't hunting and it is good they finally have a good reason to get rid of it. if "taking of your peta suit and act like a man" means you have to bait, you are one sorry excuse for a man. A real man would put his time in to hunt deer. As to the post above that said if baiting is illegal then all food souprces that deer eat should be, the deer are most suceptable(?) to it when they are in small areas and come in direct contact with one another. What do you think is going to happen to the feed producers when all the deer in michigan, and IL, Indiana, Wisconsin, etc. die from CWD, I think you people do not fully understand the severity of this disease. These feeder growers are pretty short sighted to be against this and maybe need to diversify into foodplots or other areas to get past this

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

HaHa, thats great!! I like that. oh and great point.

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from cam wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

PETA = People Eating Tastey Animals.( Bait or No-Bait )

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from george wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Nate,-- If Ted nugent says its ok to bait , Then it is ok to bait.you should take off you PETA suit and act like a man.

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from I'm in school right now wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

hj, i pheasant hunt. i shoot em in the air so shut up.no name, i'm just so against baiting cause i love stalking and killing. baiting just seems so wrong.Nate

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

This issues goes beyond "needing" bait to kill a deer Nate. Think about it and understand the effects that are taking place because of this ban. I don't need bait either, have I used it-Yes! I've killed trophies both with and with out baiting. Using bait does not mean your a bad hunter and not using bait make you any better of a hunter. That is rediculous to think any different.

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from hj wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Oh-ya Nate -- comming from someone who shoots birds on the ground

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from Bill wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

It is a bunch of crap. The Michigan Wildlife officials or lets just say DNR officials are a bunch of idiots. If baiting is going to spread this disease then so are apple trees, oak trees, water holes, small food plots, natural mineral licks, licking branches, corn fields, bean fields, shrups, and everything else that deer come within contact of. So we should get rid of all of these concerns as well, right? It seems like the DNR over-reacted to this whole situation and now is taking the slack for it, and they should be. This is a stupid ban that affects more then just hunters, like the farmers/markets/and the overall ecomony of Michigan. Banning baiting is not the answer to this problem. The DNR and/or wildlife officials are causing a widespread of overpopulation, more car-deer accidents, the possibility of other disease to spread rapidly becuase of population problems, more damage to the ecomony, more crop damage, less hunters in the woods, less youth in the woods. In my opinion these officials have failed us in their position and they should be ashamed of themselves for the "NEW" issues they have now developed.

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from I'm in school right now wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Baiting is not hunting. plain and simple. if the only way you can kill a deer is by louring it into an easy shot, you are not a hunter in my book.Nate

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from Harry wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

If baiting is causing the spread of CWD and you can not bait in colorado. Then why do they have so many cases there??? This is not a decision based on science. This is political. Who has the most power?

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from Baiter favor wrote 5 years 26 weeks ago

One thing for sure, hunters sure don't know how how to spell based on these blogs!

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from JCP wrote 5 years 27 weeks ago

I am tired of the banter also. Bait, no bait, to me it is just another right of choice that I have taken away. Mark my words the next step is the mandatory QDMA rules for Michigan and yet another restriction on Michigan Hunters. I predicted the baiting ban as being permanent, and speaking with a DNR official, he says it is permanent, and my next prediction is mandatory antler size like they are doing in the UP. I have 2 teenage sons and 2 brothers and my dad that hunt and when this QDMA crap happens I will hunt deer no more. I have been a strong advocate for hunting and MUCC and that ends also. I am a property owner and we farm and I see all of our rights being taken away by the few hunters who have an agenda. We stood for the bear hunting ban, no more! We stood by the trappers when PETA came for them, no more! The division amongst hunters that we feared so much is here and we will not stand for hunting rights no more. We have managed our land for wildlife and good sound deer management and I have spent over 25 years in the conservation field in Michigan and I am sickened on what I read here and what I see happening to our heritage. We will hunt still but we will stand no more and fight like we have so passionately for hunting rights in the past as we watch the DNR and QDMA and other special interest groups tear hunting apart. I am saddened because my good old days I thought for hunting were still yet to come and now I see that I have already seen them and lived them and my sons will not. Thanks hunters for standing by us and standing together all these years, but my deer camp will soon fade out of the fight and 6 more outdoorsman will no longer be there. Trophy hunters she's all yours, but do not ask to hunt our land nor ask us to fight, my Michigan family says to MUCC, DNR, Field and Stream, and all other hunting groups out there, we fight NO MORE!

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from Joe wrote 5 years 28 weeks ago

This is ridiculous. It's ONE fenced farm in Greenville. But let's make the rest of the state suffer. If Humphries wasn't an anti-hunter, this wouldn't happen.If hunters wouldn't trophy hunt, this wouldn't be an issue either. If it's venison, shoot it. You can't eat antlers. If you won't shoot a deer on the first day that you wouldn't shoot on the last day becasue it's not a trophy buck, you're not a real hunter, and you're doing it for the wrong reasons.There is impact to this entire state because of ONE farm off M-57 in Greenville. Anyone that argues baiting is unethical should instead focus efforts on high-fence hunting. That's not hunting to me...

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from steve wrote 5 years 28 weeks ago

For all of you people that say that you are against baiting and agree with the DNR you obviously are not hunters. I hunt all over North America and the worst place to hunt is Michigan. There is not a population problem or a CWD problem. DNR says there is a population problem to sell tags. And as for CWD there was a big TB scare about 10 years about and that went no where i think they found 1 deer with that. We need to have 1 doe and one buck tag given out to everyone...Let the small ones walk so we to can be like Canada or Illinois.

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 29 weeks ago

The baiting ban really ought to occur in the areas that this all started. All high fence operation should be terminated. Where did CWD start out west? In a high fence enclosure. Where did CWD start in Wisconsin?? In a high fence enclosure.Where did CWD start in Michigan??? In a high fence enclosure. Does anyone but me see something consistent about where all of this has started???? Outlaw High fence zoos and terminate their stock. Save our natural herd for our generations of hunters still in diapers.

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from gary wrote 5 years 29 weeks ago

I can"t understand banning baiting in the whole lower half of michigan. The deer baiting ban should only take place in the county or joining county if it's under 50 miles. To ban the whole lower half is crazy and to extreme.It will hurt the farmers and the people who sell it and hurt the whole econemy!

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from gary wrote 5 years 29 weeks ago

I can"t understand banning baiting in the whole lower half of michigan. The deer baiting ban should only take place in the county or joining county if it's under 50 miles. To ban the whole lower half is crazy and to extreme.It will hurt the farmers and the people who sell it and hurt the whole econemy!

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

Go ahead and bait, If you think the LAW dosen't apply to you go for it BBBUUUTTT be ready to accept the fine without whining. I've heard that it will be $500.00 for first offense, $1000.00 for second , jail time for the third and so on. Of course it would be cheaper to just hunt without bait but alot of you don't know how too. This does envolve some minor skills and knowledge. I teach a class every thursday night so just call me at 1-800- IAM-ABEETER I'll try to help you out,but you've got to want to learn.

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from Rebecca J wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

I would have to agree with everything that Tom G had to say. People need to look at the all the monies that are being lost. I now of farmers that have all there monies into seeds and everythings. An now they are saying they don't know how they are going to feed there own family becasue this is how they make there money.

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from Bill S. wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

I think this ban is crazy!I do not bait,but i have no problem sitting under a apple tree,or watching a pile of corn that the farmer spilled loading his wagon.These diseases have been around since there have been animals,and god will take care of them as he sees fit!I really dont think the goverment thought this out very well,our state is in enough TROUBLE!we need all the revenue cirulating that we can get,people DO NOT need to be losing there jobs in this day and time and thats all that this ban is doing is costing people there jobs!Baiting has been leagal for how many years and we have had how many cases of what?This is just another way for our goverment to f**k the people and our economy!As for them caring about our deer herd thats a bunch of BS too,if they did we wouldnt be able to shoot 7 deer this year,what are we going to hunt next year?If everybody takes advantage of this our deer population will be suffering next year!Soo somebody please tell me does the DNR or goverment or who ever really know whats best for us and our deer population, I REALLY dont think soo!! All these people are book smart but what about a little common sense?They should know everything but i dont think they know anything.The deer will get CWD if its around whether we bait or not,deer use the same licking brach,eat on the same ear of corn standing in the field eat off the same pile of corn or beans the farmer spilled,I have even seen deer licking noses while i have been hunting,soo if CWD is around deer will get it naturaly,the only thing this ban is doing is hurting us.Whether you bait our not it SHOULD BE YOUR CHOICE!ONLY YOU KNOW IF YOU ARE A TRUE SPORTSMAN OR NOT!

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from Jerry wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

I don't think this is anything that a $10 billion class-action lawsuit couldn't fix.There is no tangible link between baiting and CWD.Even thought the DNR doesn't like baiting, Rebecca & Co. are too stupid to recognize that revenue will go down because people won't buy licenses if they can't bait.There will be alot of guys who will refuse to buy a license this year and hunt anyway. They will still bait and end up poaching.All thanks to an idiot director at the helm.

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from DANNY wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

according to the law food plots are also illegal. the seeds you put on the ground are a grain before they germinate. so thats not the answer. im a baiter and will always bait no matter what happens.

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from don mitchell wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

i live about ten miles south of the farm,and your Right,no new info at this time.

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from don mitchell wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

Tom G., you make a lot more seance than most of the comments on this blog,thanks

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from joe wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

im not sure if anyone noticed but nate also was mad because a man killed a bear that provoked him

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from Dave wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

I think we should stop the spell check ban.

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from Tom G wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

I’m a Michigan hunter who has hunted both with and without bait. (I sometimes use bait because I hunt a 27 acre parcel and it is easy for deer to evade me by crossing over to the neighbor’s property.) I hunt a few miles from the deer farm where the infected deer was discovered. This is my take on the DNR baiting ban.CWD is not a “highly contagious” disease. It was found in one three year old deer in a fenced farm. It is illegal to import deer from out of state, and the farmer apparently claimed that this deer was born on his farm. If that is true, then it has been there for three years and yet none of the other deer on the farm had the disease. (All other deer on the farm were killed and tested and came out negative.) If the disease were “highly contagious,” then we would expect to see other deer infected also. The likely conclusions are that we have a spontaneous appearance of CWD (which was recent enough to have not spread but old enough to have produced symptoms in this one deer) or the infected deer was brought in from somewhere else (again, recently enough not to have spread but long enough to produce symptoms). Each reader can make his only conclusions about which of these is more likely.So, what is the DNR to do? Several years ago it devised a response plan for the day when CWD might appear in Michigan. One thing it planned to do was to institute a statewide baiting ban. The value of having a prepared plan is that the DNR didn’t have to scramble to react when the CWD appeared. The flaw, of course, is that the DNR could not know the precise circumstances under which it might appear, and so the plan might not fit those circumstances. Another part of the plan is to test 500 local deer culled within a few miles of the farm (a region called “the hotspot”) to see if any wild deer have the disease. That step is in process, perhaps helped by a current antlerless, early deer season that runs for a week before archery season begins.)Now we know some of the circumstances. A captive deer became sick and/or died and the owner was required by law to report this to the DNR. It tested positive for CWD so a statewide ban on baiting was imposed. All deer on the farm were tested and came up negative. We are still awaiting the results on the wild deer in and near the hotspot.If testing turns up positive, then a wide baiting ban (over several counties around the hotspot) would be prudent. But if the testing turns up negative, then why ban baiting anywhere? A genuine issue exists of whether we have an instance of an infected deer being smuggled into Michigan. It makes no sense to ban baiting hundreds of miles away because of that. In fact, there is no sense in banning baiting anywhere if that is true.The DNR needs to be vigilant. I agreed with the immediate ban while further investigation is done. But it is starting to look like this is an isolated incident. The DNR has not announced any positive test results from the wild deer it has been collecting. The statewide baiting ban does have tremendous economic implications for farmers, distributors and those who depend on the deer hunting economy. It is not sufficient, as has been reported in the news, for the DNR to simply say that this response plan was devised several years ago and therefore there will be no deviation from the plan. The response should adjust as the circumstances develop. I can live with a baiting ban for my hunting in the hotspot this year. But I question the wisdom of banning bait hundreds of miles away in northern and eastern Michigan.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

Michigan's deer herd is a mess.Overpopulated, out of whack ratio, all in an overbrowsed forest, yet all some of you care to talk about is whether sitting over a pile of apples is REAL hunting or not.Keep doing what you guys are doing and between CWD and EHD there won't be much to bait for. Nature has a way of taking care of problems like these.

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from therock48880 wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

Don, I think you are missing the point. The idea behind banning baiting is to keep deer from congregating. Yet you say that people should use scents to attract them or use food plots. Wouldn't that make deer congregate also?Also, you suggested that people read what they write and that people read these posts. You mention that in the same paragraph where you call people "retards". Maybe you should practice what you preach.

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from therock48880 wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

The remaining 51 deer that were penned with the deer that was found with CWD were killed and tested. All of them tested negative. Yet, the ENTIRE STATE has a ban put on baiting? The infected deer was in a PEN. How can CWD have been spread from that penned deer to wild deer throughout the entire state? The DNR's reasoning to ban baiting is bizarre, to say the least.

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from Ben wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

Lower the deer harvest in MI, increase the population of deer, reduce the spread of CWD?Next step: ban bucks from fighting and introduce wolves in the L.P. because the hunters aren't killing enough. This is in line with the MI DNR's thinking.CWD was brought to MI by the illegal transfer of elk to a deer FARM. Why don't we shut down these operations? The only true phony hunters in this world are those who pay thousands of dollars to blast a deer in an enclosure. Baiting is an effective way to harvest deer and provides a motionless shot that increases your chance to cleanly harvest the animal. There is nothing wrong with this in my opinion.Shut down the farming of wild animals that should only be wild in the first place! Although this may hurt the ratings of the whitetail "Experts" we watch on TV.

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from Don wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

I am a hunter and I have used bait for hunting. You people complaining about banning it are retards, why don't you look for other ways to tag a deer instead of complaining? I don't know, maybe a decoy or food plot or using scents just to mention a few. I understand a tool has been taken away from you, but why don't you sit down and work around the problem and come up with a solution in order to tag a deer. Think about what you are typing and saying before you put it on the internet or saying it because people read what you write and people listen to what you say. Don't mention other things that should be taken away because it is comparable to baiting i.e. food plots. Remember people read this stuff. Be grateful for what rights you do have.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

Hunting: the pursuit of game according to Merriam Webster. If you pile corn up you are not pursuing. Why not walk out in the woods, find rub lines and scrapes and actually enjoy and learn about your surroundings? Putting up a feeder and training the deer to come to you is about as unethical as shooting them at night with a spotlight. Plus it changes their natural movements and concentrates them in a small area and causes over-population AND diseases! If you're too lazy to get out of your ground blind beside your feeder you don't belong in the woods with real hunters.

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

I HOPE the DNR puts out thousand dollar fines for bubba bait hunters who ignore the States Laws. LAWS ARE LAWS and if you do not take heed you will what? Get ticketed and have your day in court. I can't believe that when I drive by gas stations what are they selling right out front?? bags upon bags of corn. It's almost like they are saying- go ahead and buy it dumb dumb, I'm not gonna get fined.

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from I'm in school right now wrote 5 years 30 weeks ago

Mark,you hit it right on the spot man.Nate

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from don mitchell wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

KEN P. Sr.THANKS, nuff said,Don M.

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from cam wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Mark,Sounds like you Drink more than you hunt.

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from Mark wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

YOU GUYS SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF CRY BABIES! YOU DO NOT NEED BAIT TO HUNT! IF YOU GUYS WOULD USE BAIT RESPONSIBLY WE WOULDN'T BE DEBATING THIS.FOR ALL OF YOU GUYS THAT THINK MORE IS BETTER,YOUR A DUMB S.O.B. SHUT YOUR FLAPS AND GO HUNTING.

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from cb wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Jonny,It's official.You are a Democrat and have some PETA blood in you.

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from Jonny wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

first of all you can't compare gun control to baiting, second, with your philosophy, if shooting deer out of the window was legal, then deamed illegal, you would right, only poachers would shoot deer out windows. Get a clue I ain't telling you what to do, but i hope the MI DNR makes you a poacher because apparently no one can tell you what to do

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from Ken Pekarek Sr. wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Why all the ridiculous banter about baiting and your so-called manhood just because you hunt a certain way. CWD "is" a serious problem, but to ban a hunting practice because of "one" deer in one enclosed deer farm is goofy. That is "not" over reacting? CWD has been around for a long time and primarily out west whether there is baiting or not. It is a natural phenomenon when you have over population or heavy concentrations of deer, elk, or whatever. The comment about getting a degree and knowing more than common folks has nothing to do with the problem. The educated wildlife biologists are not in charge. The Michigan DNR is run by bureaucrats not biologists. The Michigan DNR Commission runs on a different agenda. I don't hunt over bait but can see it being used by elderly or very young hunters. I can also see it being used by anyone. or choosing to hunt without it. It is just another method. To say it is wrong is akin to saying that using improved weapons is wrong too. Let each man, woman, or yougster choose what ever leagal method works for them. It is far more important that we encourage people to continue to hunt and to encourage young people to join our sport. Everyone complaining about the othere guys methods is like the crap we listen to every day from Obama and McCain.....criticism without any solutions or encouragement.

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from cb wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Jonny,If they take our guns away then only the gangs will have guns ?If they take the baiting away then only the poachers will bait ?DO NOT TELL ME WHAT TO DO.DO NOT TELL ME WHEN TO DO IT.DO NOT TELL ME HOW TO DO IT.I WILL DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR MYSELF,MY FAMILY, MY LAND.P.S -- ( Bait or No Bait )

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from Jonny wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Oh really, so you have had some classes in wildlife diseases? or management? Or you just know because you have baited deer for years?? I guess ignorance is bliss

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from cb wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

If the moon phase was not in line and the milk was bad -- it might explane your beligerance on the subject.Ted Nugent said it best "Where have we seen this before.

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from Jonny wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Do some research cb get your head out of the sand and Whiskey Foxtrot Tango does being breast fed as a kid have to do with it??

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from cb wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Jonny,were you brest feed as a kid ?

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from Jonny wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Brainwashed into thinking CWD is a bad disease for a herd to have? Or that baiting is for people that don't want to put his or her time in? I could care less if you trust the DNR or not, but I gurantee you on their worst day they know five hundred times as much about the MI deer herd and CWD that you do. If you go to school and get a masters degree in wildlife management (usually what it takes to get a wildlife job) then you can come and enlighten all of us on how CWD in one fenced in area is not that big of deal, just like it wasn't a big deal in CO in a fenced area, which still can't get rid of the disease in their elk. just for your ingnorant sake, i hope all the deer on ONLY your property get CWD and die, of course then you would blame the DNR for not doing enough,

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

You sound like a fella who is only worried about his way of hunting and not generations of hunters who might never experience hunting whitetails the way we have. is baiting worth it sugar beeter?

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from cb wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Don,you speak the truth.Rebecca Humphries is bad for the Michigan deer herd.Jonny and Walt need to think outside the box-- They have been brain washed into thinking the way they do.I wish there was a government program that would help them realize there shotcommings.

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from don mitchell wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

there is NO,NO CWD IN FREE RANGE DEER,THAT WE KNOW OF AT THIS POINT IN MI. ONLY IN ONE FENCED FARM.(ONE)THE BAN MAKES NO SENCE AT ALL,I DO NOT TRUST THE DNR,NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL.DON

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

I completly stand with the STATE and DNR director Rebecca Humphries on their decision to ban baiting in Michigan. This is a highly contaigious disease and needs extreme measures to combat it. Personaly I feel that food plots should also be banned. Common sense (thats the sense that most people don't have) opens the eyes to the FACT!! that food plots are absolutly the same thing only on a much larger scale as bait piles. The only reason people plant them is to attract deer,RIGHT? DUH!! If your attracting deer to a certain location no matter how large, on purpose, what are you doing?? BAITING DEER BUBBA!!! There are those who will argue the opposite of this till hell freezes over but the end is still the same. You don't harvest the crop for sale, your not a certified farmer,you are a baiter who is doing their best to help spread this disease throught Michigan. Thanks Bubba. Ted Nuget says its okay to bait. Ted isn't even a full time citizen of Michigan. He owns at least two high fence operations (Where this all started) and really dosen't care about us as much as he cares about Ted this is painfully obivious.Spirit of the wind my AXE! Ban baiting completly, EXTERMINATE high fence operations and their stock in Michigan and for GODS SAKE!!!! do everything we can to save our natural herd!

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from as moeggs wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

I have baited, and believe it works well. However, it will be a cold day in hail when i'm willing to sacrifice our deer herd for the simple right to bait. I think it's a bunch of bull sheet to bring the economy in as an excuse to bait. People will actually have to become hunters and buy a good pair of boots, put a little more time in the woods to get a deer. There, thats my idea of an economy stimulus.

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from Jonny wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

? The peta comment was referring to a few posts up. If it is for viewing as you claim, how do people in other states "view" deer or even hunt them without bait? I have been hunting a long time, as well as the rest of the people in Minnesota, South and North Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, Nebraska, and every other state that doesn't allow baiting, and we seem to do just fine. I bet you are proud of the deer you shot over bait. You say something like "Damn, I sure had to hunt hard for this ten pointer, I must have had to fill up my feeder 3 times this summer and fall, but boy that mollassis and apples really did the trick." MAN UP!! put your time in. Now that said I would agree that the deer in Michigan are overpopulated, and more need to be killed, but seems to me the more deer there are, the less you bait cuz more deer= more deer sightings, thats kinds Wildlife Management 101 there but just think about it.

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from concerend wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Jonny,Baiting has been a national past time before you were born.Its not just for hunting -- its for viewing.The problem with the Michican deer heerd is not baiting.--Its in-breading.Season needs to be longer and more deer need to be killed.Once the herd is healthy then we can manage it.Your support for PETA is hypacritical as you say you are a hunter.Take some time to decide if you would like to grow to become a man or if you would prefer the lifestyle of peta.

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from Jonny wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Baiting isn't hunting and it is good they finally have a good reason to get rid of it. if "taking of your peta suit and act like a man" means you have to bait, you are one sorry excuse for a man. A real man would put his time in to hunt deer. As to the post above that said if baiting is illegal then all food souprces that deer eat should be, the deer are most suceptable(?) to it when they are in small areas and come in direct contact with one another. What do you think is going to happen to the feed producers when all the deer in michigan, and IL, Indiana, Wisconsin, etc. die from CWD, I think you people do not fully understand the severity of this disease. These feeder growers are pretty short sighted to be against this and maybe need to diversify into foodplots or other areas to get past this

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

HaHa, thats great!! I like that. oh and great point.

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from cam wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

PETA = People Eating Tastey Animals.( Bait or No-Bait )

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from george wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Nate,-- If Ted nugent says its ok to bait , Then it is ok to bait.you should take off you PETA suit and act like a man.

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from I'm in school right now wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

hj, i pheasant hunt. i shoot em in the air so shut up.no name, i'm just so against baiting cause i love stalking and killing. baiting just seems so wrong.Nate

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

This issues goes beyond "needing" bait to kill a deer Nate. Think about it and understand the effects that are taking place because of this ban. I don't need bait either, have I used it-Yes! I've killed trophies both with and with out baiting. Using bait does not mean your a bad hunter and not using bait make you any better of a hunter. That is rediculous to think any different.

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from hj wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Oh-ya Nate -- comming from someone who shoots birds on the ground

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from Bill wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

It is a bunch of crap. The Michigan Wildlife officials or lets just say DNR officials are a bunch of idiots. If baiting is going to spread this disease then so are apple trees, oak trees, water holes, small food plots, natural mineral licks, licking branches, corn fields, bean fields, shrups, and everything else that deer come within contact of. So we should get rid of all of these concerns as well, right? It seems like the DNR over-reacted to this whole situation and now is taking the slack for it, and they should be. This is a stupid ban that affects more then just hunters, like the farmers/markets/and the overall ecomony of Michigan. Banning baiting is not the answer to this problem. The DNR and/or wildlife officials are causing a widespread of overpopulation, more car-deer accidents, the possibility of other disease to spread rapidly becuase of population problems, more damage to the ecomony, more crop damage, less hunters in the woods, less youth in the woods. In my opinion these officials have failed us in their position and they should be ashamed of themselves for the "NEW" issues they have now developed.

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from I'm in school right now wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Baiting is not hunting. plain and simple. if the only way you can kill a deer is by louring it into an easy shot, you are not a hunter in my book.Nate

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