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November 29, 2007

Beware The Oddball Gun

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

A few weeks ago I got a letter from a person of obvious taste and culture asking whether it was a good idea to have his .30/06 hunting rifle custom-throated for a particular bullet of which he was very fond. To which I replied that no, it was not. Better that he stab himself in the eye with a screwdriver to see that it felt like.

When you hunt, do-do happens, and you may find yourself at the ass end of the earth having to borrow or scrounge or buy whatever kind of ammo you can lay your hands on. And you may find that your custom-throated pride and joy will not chamber it. All of my hunting rifles have straight SAAMI chambers and throats, against such time as I fly to Anchorage and the ramp apes send my ammo to Aukland.

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Along similar lines, I have a letter in front of me asking about the advisability of having a rifle built for the .22 Short. Again a no, because when you put real money in a rifle you always have to think about when you might want or need to get it back, and there is not a hell of a big market for rifles chambered for the .22 Short.

Eschew the weird and the unnatural. Seek normalcy at all costs.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Sarg and Dave in St. Pete. Thanks for the info. Sarg hope a new gun don;t need parts immediaely. I;m told and just read the info Dave gave me on the 44-40- and it should be ok for me. I don;t shoot a handgun a lot, when I do, its my 22's as much cheaper to fire. My other firearms, I just play with, shoot now and then at the range to try and out-shoot some of my younger guest. So far no problem. I liked the 44-40 caliber because I know of no one in my circle who has one and I kinda like being a odd ball and have something no one else may have. However, will carry the 44-40 when I head to the Rockies, as the 44-40 has a longer bbl and is case harden, where the 45 is Matt and checkered grips. Neither of the guns look alike at all. Now I;m full of new guns, till another comes out, just want a 270 Savage now. Hey, whats this new cartridge that Ruger came out with 375? is it to replace the 375 H&H or is this another attempt as the WSM's were, now duds. You can really get some great buys in the WSSM's and some WSM's, especially in the 300 WSM. For a 300 stick with the 300 Win Mag. Me and my slight built and l28 lbs the 300 is too much, the 06 with R3 pad and total wt at l0 lbs does great. Hopefully can draw the states I want for 2008 so can try out some of these new fiearms.But, if don;t stay away from the guns shops, not going anyplace. We got 3 days of season left here and past 3 days temps been at 77-78 deg. too hot, deer bedded near water, eat at night. OK guys, time for me to hit the sack. Shoot straight and often. The old Gunslinger

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Rocky,Here's a link to some good info on the 44-40http://www.gunweek.com/2004/feature0601.html

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from sarg wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Hey Rocky , you talking about the 44-40, did you miss the blog about odd guns any trying to find ammo.. Just kidding, love the old guns but believe they belong on the shelf.. parts can be hard to come by..

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Dave in St Pete:& Ishawooa: I should not enter a gun shop ever again. Today I made that mistake and bought another handgun?????. A Uberti in 44-40 Blue/caseharden Steel, NM, 5 l/2" bbl , Walnut grips. I thought a 45 was what I had to havein Matte, but when saw this 44-40 I had to have it as well. Now got a pair. So us gun nuts go crazy in a gun shop. Best I not enter till I pay my taxes, then if any left, buy a new Savage Weather Warrior in 270 and apply for tags in CO,Wy and MT. We got 4 days of season left here for w-tails. Temp to hot, was 77 yesterday and 78 today, 50's at night. Deer laying low near water, moving at night. Hopefully cooler by Fri/Sat the last days. If not, will have a weeks Turkey , either sex in Jan for l week. Got to get into the Coyote calling business, as we got a influx of them.Understand a Rabbit call is better for them, plus my 25-06 @85 gr bullets. Hey what you know about 44-40 ammo?I'm told it's a very old caliber, like more than 100 yrs old????? it's kinda in between a 41 mag and a 44 Special?? any truth to that? Gotta order a box of Ammo, shop had none, now to see if can hit a barn door. Now i;m ready for BEAR country next fall in Montana. Can;t run,so gotta shoot my way out.I can do ok out to 25-30 yds, all in 4"-6" Give me some stats on the 44-40 please? The old gunslinger, who;s gun crazy and going broke if don;t stay away from GUNS. But so far, never lost any $ on guns, but sure have on DOW.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Clay I've got a nice shooter (collector piece now) the HighStandard model H-B. will not shoot the shorts. not enough hump there, but the newer stingers and high velocity shell are too strong. standard or target loads work great. That's all you could find in 1942 when the pistol was made. They did make a model C for .22 shorts only

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

To Ishawooa::::::I bought a 300 Win Mag and a 300 WSM when they came out. I shot the 300 WSM 10 times and found another buyer. That thing turned me around. The Win Mag. was OK, but yet the recoil a little much for me. A noted writer told me to get the Federal Mag. 30-06 shells and it would be equal to a 300 Win Mag.???? These new shells by Remington Scricco's do a tereffic job in my 24" bbl 06. My last 3 trips west, they preformed better than I ever thought they would. AS for the 25-06 I would like to know how far that gun would shoot and hit a pie plate. But the 06 using the Scricco's with l50 gr bullets I feel will work better. Next fall when I go to WY/Montana I will try the 06 using the l50's on Lopes and see how it compares to the 25-06/270. I plan to ship 2 of the guns and Ammo in advance of my flying out, as I have to take so much Medicine, have a problem with the aairlines, so I ship it also. We got tomorrow (SAt) and next week left to hunt here in N>C., then wait a week and head to Virginia for 2 weeks of Shotguns and l week B/P. I hate B/P to much trouble, but gets me out outside weather permitting. Shoot straight and often. The old Gunslinger in NC

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Although I tend to own custom built rifles by luck and preference I find the Savages very much appealing especially with the Accu-trigger. A friend just got a Model 12 which shoots as well as most bench rest rifles. Amazing for the price. Anyway Rocky Mtn Hunter beware of that REMOVABLE magazine. Out here in the Rockies you rarely see locals using them because the "clips" tend to disappear when you are 15 horse miles from the pavement and 50 pavement miles from the gun store. You choice is to ride to town, use a single shot that is difficult to reload in a hurry, or pack an extra magazine and listen to it jingle in your pocket. Besides who needs more than 3 or 4 shots in most circumstances? Just an idea based on experiences which I thought might help you. Also since you have a great .25-'06 and a .30 you will not find the .270 to be a revelation in respect to the other two which you probably already know. It goes without saying that all are excellent choices for use anywhere. However those dreaded windblown cross canyon late in the afternoon shoots on the last day of the hunt will never make you regret buying and learning to shoot a 7, .300, or .338 RUM (or other big cased maggie, not the little guys). Relatively small market and some bloggers appear to love to beat up the RUMs which tells me that they have never experienced the circumstances just mentioned.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Rocky,Trust me you'll love the accu-trigger. Light and crisp!I agree on the Savage stock fit/feel not being the best but with the way they shoot I just can't help myself.Sounds like you got lots of meat in the freezer so for an old geezer (hey it rhymed so I had to!) you do right well!I just got a DVD on deer processing from the KY wild life site. It shows gutting to the freezer. I know you know how to gut but this shows how to de-bone the carcass and how to get the best stakes and roasts. Good buy for 16.50 (including shipping).

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Dave in St Pete, thanks for replying. Have you ever been in a gun shop and pickdt up a firearm and it just Fitted to a T? thats what happened to me on the Uberti at Bass this past summer. When I picket up that handgun and pointed it skyward, I knew I had found a handgun that I had to have. I have 3 S&W 357's but they just not what I wanted. Always wanted to be a Cowboy, but for reasons yet unknown I never moved westward when younger.Had I done so, would be ranching near the Rocky Mtns today. As for the night stalkers, game warden is on alert now, with decoy deer around. With our help and his authority, hopefully we can put these guys away for a while.I;ve used Remington firearms for 50 odd years, they just fit my small frame. When I go west each yea, I take a 700 in 06 and a 700 in 25-06. I've been looking for a foul weather rifle for some time now and decided on a Savage with det.mag in 270. Syn stock, matte blue bbl. For the quality and $$ its a great buy and do like the 3 position safety,. Not tried the Accutrigger, but sounds ok. I ride a 4 wheeler a lot(I;m 72) to my hunt area, thru woods, and a Walnut stock gets beat up, with the syn stock should take rough handling better. Being 72 and disabled/handicapped I can;t walk the hills, valleys as most hunters do. I have several ground blinds I use here and have permits to shot from vehicles in 5 Western States. I usually park the 4 x 4 Blazer and walk a couple hundred yds and sit and wait for game to come by (hopefully). So far, been lucky, as got a 6 x 6 Bull, 3 x 3 Mulie, l4 l/2" Lope and many 8 point w-tails. Plans made for NE Montana for 2008 to hunt plains Mulies and Lopes then back to NW Montana for Elk. Guys I hunt with have all the outfitting equiptment and we plan to camp out a few nights, something else I always wanted to do. My wife goes with me , the best bird dog one could have. Another reason I want a Syn/matt bbl Savage 270 is the odd ball weather you can have out there. One day in 70's next day -0 and rain, sleet, snow, etc. That foul weather takes its toll on Walnut stocked firearms. kinda figure the 270 is between the 25-06 and the 30-06, so should work ok on what-ever I'm hunting with correct ammo. I;ve never thought Savage got the attention it deserves. Most Savages I;ve handled feel ok,but stock is not situated in same position as a Rem. 700 for me. But with some pratice should be ok. I always use Nikon Monarch scopes 3x9x40 with Leupold Dual Dove Tail Steel rings and bases.Never had one get off 0 even with the rought treatment the airlines give firearms.I walk with a cane,(both hips replaced) but use my Stoney Point Bi-pods as a rest and walking sticks. Killed my Deer last year at 345 yds and was standing up using the Bi-pod. Killed my w-tail here last week at 260 yds using the sticks again.I use Remington's new Ammo,Scricco's 180 gr for the 06 and Winchester Ballastic tips ll7 gr in the 25-06. The 180's a tad on heavy side for w-tails, but my CDL with 24: bbl shoots them better. Read last night that Remington trying to buy Taurus as the new owners of Remington wants to dble the volume of sales from 500 million to l billion within 2 yrs at Remington. They got to add lines of other products, as they can;t do that volume with bolt action rifles. I look for a complete new line of sporting goods equiptment to be added as well. Just hope they don;t cut corners to meet their goal, but at my age, got all the hunting guns I will need after I buy the Savage. Did not plan to go on and on, but us gun/hunting nuts can;t find end to bull S----g. Thanks again, take care, shoot-um-straight.Old gunslinger from NC

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

She needs a web site... I could definitely buy some stuffed mice with a sense of humor. My house is full of dead animals anyway...

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Tommy,My niece is truly a unique girl, she has been mounting road kill since she was 10. That and she has a weird sense of humor when it comes to field mice. Let's just say they are in plentiful supply and some of them have webbed duck's feet. I think there are more stuffed mice around her house then are live out in the pole barns. She has them in every pose imaginable from the 3 blind mice to hickory dickory dock. That and she is a admirable hunter.

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from R. Wayne Moorhead wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Just bought your book. The illustrators should get more credit as that is what made me decide to buy it.I enjoy great writing. I keep the book next to my chair & pick it up each time I want to laugh.I also enjoy the brevity of the articles as it lends itself to sporadic reading.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Rocky,If you find those guys that will kill a deer for a couple of hunks of bone and a backstrap, return the favor to 'em. ;)

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Rocky,The Uberti is a good gun. A lot of the cowboy shooters I know use them BUT don't use more than cowbou loads in them, they won't take it.Why not a Ruger? If you get an older full size Ruger Vaquero (NOT a new smaller one) they shoot like gang busters and will handle all loads, or of course the Blackhawk or IF you can find an older Redhawk (double action) chambered for the 45 (I have one and LOVE it).Favorite hunters...Savage 111F 30-06 with the Accu-trigger, Puma lever action (92 clone) in 454 / 45LC or the Puma 44 mag (92 clone).

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Dave in St Pete: Not the Monster yet,still lookimg.My Son and I both killed nice Bucks within l/2 hr of each other.We've hunted 42 years and that was the first time we both killed a deer the same day. Name plate on the mounts will reflect such. We got a problem with poachers and night shooters down here. Guys as far away as 60 miles have been spotlighting for the Monster. In fact 2 caught SAt Night, and 2 tonight about l hr ago. My Son was coming in from work saw this Jeep cross ways in a major road spotlighting across a friends field. Son Called GAme warden after he got the license plate #, so hopefully they will be caught.On way back home this AM, saw 2 deer dead in ditch, one a small Doe, no meat take, other a buck with horns sawed off and one of the back straps cut out with hide attached. So a bunch of us playing night watch now, as we don;t want this Monster killed by light. We all want a shot at him but legal. Hey, waht do you know about the A. Uberti handguns? good/bad?// Too bad the T/C Icon in that crazy .30 will go same way the WSM's did. Why did they not stick with tried proven calibes on this new gun. The gun is beautiful, but the Caliber stinks.Me, I will stick with my 700's and kill my game. The 30-06 and the 25-06 will handle all I hunt. Yep, I got some odd-ball stuff, but when go hunting, either the 25-06 or 06 or both go along with me./ They go West each trip I make.So far so good. But getting to age that the cold weather gts to me. Gonna have to hunt early when warmer. So gonna try Lopes and Desert Mulies next year in Sept.Don;t forget to give me your honest opnion on the A. Uberti in 45 colt, I got the hots for one in 5 l/2" bbl, walnut grip, matt metal, 45 LC colt. Been looking at a 45 Clone for 2 years saw this one at Bass this summer, gonna order one for my Christmas present, hide it under the tree and suprise a lot of people come Christmas night. At 72, few hunts left, so gonna enjoy to the fullest and when I go west, I want a side arm in that Bear Country we hunt in.The 44 mag to much for my small hands, I only weight 128, prior to my cancer weighed l80.But yet here. Hunted most of today, man was the wind terrible. Take care shoot straight and often. PS; What is your favorite hunting gun/caliber?

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Beware the man who owns but one gun! For his wife will not allow him two!I've found the sub-sonic .22 LR rounds to be very satisfactory when reducing noise is important. The callack-ack of the action on my 10-.22 is the loudest thing you hear when using them in it. Put them in a bolt action with a longer barrel and you really don't have a lot of bang. As importantly the bang doesn't sound like the traditional .22 LR crack.Truly on topic though -- whether it is your first or forty-first gun -- sticking to tried and true calibers makes the most sense; all of the "New and Improved" short-fat and shorter-fatter cartridges are designed for one thing; separating fools from their money! No doubt the T/C Icon is a pretty rifle but chamber it in .308 Win not some newball screwball .30 with no real-world advantage over the tried and true. Unlike the Contender series with interchangeable barrels, those buying the Icon are stuck with that one tube, that will be the death nell for an otherwise promising rifle.SA

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

MtnHunter,How did it go? Find that monster?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

GregGo find yourself some CB .22 Longs by CCI. Quieter than the standard .22 short.On the subject of preferable calibers, a few of us had a discussion of the short mags, etc. after church. The consensus is that the short fats don't really do anything that an existing cartridge already does, except put it in a short action with reduced magazine capacity.We also agreed the the old adage "beware of the man with one rifle..." can mean one of two things: He is really good with it and has picked the best caliber for many things; or he doesn't hunt or shoot often enough to have 2 rifles and is therefore to be pitied.

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from Tommy wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Thanks Thomas,I already got the hide soaking. Several people I asked said go for it, but they think I am nuts since you can pay like 30 or 40 bucks to get it done for you. I enjoy it. I spent most of the afternoon yesterday simmering and scraping the skull of the last deer. I am making a euro mount with it. Time for a peroxide bath. The skin has to soak til Thursday, then I will be washing and finishing with Neats oil.I think the older I get, the more I want to make use of the animals. I have even started keeping the dew claws to make a rattle for - shxt I don't know just to do it. I think part time taxidermy will be in order as I grow older. A nice sign out front of the 5 acres I have in rural NC with a few mounts to display on the weekends, if I can keep the squirrels from eating the antlers anyway.Later

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Used to shoot .22 shorts at frogs and coon hunting. Perfect round for that. Ashamed to say also used one in a neighborhood to shoot squirrels cause it was very quiet. Would love to see it come back.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

The new T/C Icon in .30 will bite the dust as has the WSM's and Rums. Stick with tried, proven, calibers to hunt anything most of us will ever hunt. That being a 30-06, 25-06, 270, 22 mag, 30-30. The Icon is beautiful to look at, but the first test were not favorable. Remington's 700 line to me is the way to go. I;ve killed, Elk, Mule Deer,Lopes many w-tails and with the new ammo out now the 06 is equal to a 300 win mag. LAst year in Montana I killed a Nice deer at 345 yards, this year at home I killed a w-tail at 270 yds, all one shots. In WY killed a nice Lope at 325 yds with the 25-06. To me, I would take the 30-06 on any hunt other than the Griz, but with the new ammo by Rem. Scricco's l80 grs, I believe with a well placed shot it would handle the griz.By all means if griz hunting, have a hunting pardner with a capable firearm to back you up. There are many grest calibers out there, but Ammo may be hard to find if your luggage misses your flight.With the calibers I mentioned,can buy anywhere ammo is sold. Go to any out of the way country store, and bet they got 30-.06, 270,s 30-30 and 22'.Just read, Remington plans to add handguns to it line-up of firearms,can;t wait to get a 44-40 or 45 LC Revoler when they come out. Ok guys, gotta get as 4 Am comes early in Am and I want to be in my ground blind by 5;30.At 72, cant't climb the trees anymore. Again, when it doubt on calibers get a 30-06 and a good scope ( not a Wal-mart 29.95 special) and go hunting, but pratice a lot prior.The old Gunslinger down south NC.Wish me luck on a monster w-tail seen only at nite near my place. Sure makes my 8's and 9 and many 6;s look like babies.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Tommy,I will inquire about your question about the different tanning methods with my 15 year old niece. As soon as she comes in out of the woods. She wants to become a Taxidermist when she graduates from school. I have seen her work and would have her mount any of my prized kills any day of the week.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Amen Chev JimMy same thought train!It ain't fun if it hurts!Bubba

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Bubba, there is definitely something to lighter people being able to shoot magnums without absorbing so much punishment. With a lighter body, the whole body tends to be pushed back, rather than the butt of the rifle burying itself into your shoulder. Speaking of that, I'm reminded of an 8mm Mauser I own, which was a gift from my wife. It had a hard steel buttplate, and it was noticeably harder on my shoulder than my M-1 Garand, which also had a steel buttplate but which was gas-operated. I do believe in recoil pads. In fact, I'm in favor of doing just about anything to attenuate recoil--short of installing a muzzle brake. In my opinion, trading a little bit of thump doesn't justify the mangling of your hearing. The best bet is to match the rifle to the game. And, as we graybeards have racked up experience over the years, we've learned that Jack O'Connor was right: you don't have to launch a bullet over .33 caliber and 250 grains to anchor a whitetail--or elk or moose, for that matter. Not only that, but using a smaller, lighter-kicking caliber actually makes you feel SMARTER--and that's a good feeling!

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from sarg wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Dr. Ralph, Thanks for the info, But i've sold the 6.5, threw in the dies, but I dolike the 7x57 you mentioned. Good cartridge, love it. Thanks much.Sarg

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from Black Rifle Addict wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

.308,.30/06,.270win,and 30/30 is the way the go if you are concerned about finding ammo around, but I still say shoot what you like to shoot, and if you are that worried about the Airlines losing your ammo, send some out ahead of time to your guide for safe keeping.Just some food for thought!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Sarg- Cheaper Than Dirt has 6.5 X 50 Japanese 156 gr. Soft Points 2067 fps right now for $31.76 a box... Norma makes them and they also make the most accurate round for my 7 X 57. They make a 200 gr 30-06 round too but I haven't tried it.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Nathan, It's not just about buying the ammo for the 6.5 Jap, Its as mentioned earlier, Finding it when you need it. and at 40.00 per box, I don't think that a good way to go...I also owned the 7.7 Jap, very easy to make ammo for, using the 30.06 brass and .312 bullets, but all in all I will always stick to something VERY popular and dependable when hunting. Love my .308 Rem.700. no need fooling around with hard to find ammo, especialy today with prices going up as fast as they are.. I reload every thing I shoot(.308, .204,) . Wish I could load the .17HMR, but that the way it is....Most of all be careful, shoot a lot, have fun, and enjoy.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

.300 Wby.300 Win Mag.30-06 Spgfld.308 WinOf the above listed cartridge designations, which is most likely to be located at Ma & Pa's Hwd in downtown Podunk, US of A?Had an old buddy, rest his soul, that would shoot nothing but a .300 Win Mag. If a stiff breeze came up, he had to carry window weights in his back pockets so he wouldn't blow away! He killed everything with "Big Thunder", as he called it. Elk, mulies, WT's, SQUIRRELS! I've seen him do it. Heaven help but could he shoot that acorn combine!The only thing I can think of is that he was so light, that shoulder howitzer just shoved him around instead of belting him. I outweighed him by 50-60 lbs, and "Big Thunder" absolutely crossed my eyes!Take your MANGRUMS and shove 'em.Case belts don't kill, well placed shots DO!!!!Bubba

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Have anyone seen any Rouge Elephants roaming in the woods requiring so much firepower lately

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Chawkins |I agree with you that the 300 Weatherby hits harder and has flatter trajectory. However, I’ve witnessed cleaner kills by the 30-06 over the big magnums on moose and caribou!

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from BA wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter, Clay, and DP of course, I agree with you guys most of the time. WA Mtnhunters good advice: Plan early, plan well. Clay: It isn't the arrow, it's the Indian. Dave: don't screw up a good rifle. A couple of years ago I was in the market for a new rifle. I had just retired and decided I would get back into reloading. I wanted a rifle that really fit me well, that was really light weight, that had recoil that was less than the 338 Win Mag., a rifle that was accurate. After looking on all the websites and at the shooters bible, I figured that I would probably settle on a Savage Bolt Action in probably 7mm08. When I found a gun shop owner on the phone who actually wanted to talk about it, I told him I would be there the next morning to shoulder and try out his Savage line. I put several guns to my shoulder and the one that fit me, I mean really fit me was a Tikka T3 Lite. I had never even heard of them. The rifle I had thrown up to my shoulder was a 270 WSM. I had read good press about that cartridge so I decided to go with that one. I'm not one bit sorry. That rifle shoots almost all loads under MOA. It's the best fitting, lightest, most accurate rifle I've ever shot with this kind of off the shelf accuracy. The one modification I made was a limbsaver recoil pad. The rifle recoils straight back instead of up in your face. I'll give this rifle a 9 1/2 out of 10 right off the shelf. This is my all around go to gun. A great group on this Blog. BA. PS Like the Wise Man says, "Shoot often, Shoot Straight", I like that. (RMH?)

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from Zermoid wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Quote:"I actually have an off topic question for anyone with taxidermy experience reading today. I am tanning another deer hide by the methanol and turpentine method, I know - its a method usually for smaller skins, but I want the hair on and also for the skin to be very soft. It was my last punch of the card this season, and a decent buck. The skin is over 5', from neck to tail, and I got the tail too.My question is - does anyone know if mineral spirits, (thinner) is much different, in this use, than methanol, (wood alcohol thinner)?They are both paint thinners, degreasers in fact, so I would think they would do the same thing?The local hardware guy says ok, but another friend says the mineral spirits may work alot faster. Presently, I am supposed to soak for 7 to 10 days, shaking the solution daily, as the two ingredients different weights will cause them to separate.Posted by: Tommy"OK, I'm no chemist nor taxidermist but aren't mineral spirits an oil product and methanol straight alcohol from a fermentation process?Sounds like an apples and oranges comparison to me.

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from KJ wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Chawkins,I think the .300 Weatherby and the .30-06 make the same size hole and the -06 does it without kicking the crap out of me, or deafening me. If there is something I need to kill that is too big for a .30-06 then it is too big for the Weatherby, too. The Weatherby may fly flatter, but at a price. Costs more, too.

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from Nathan Pinney wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Sarg,There's no reason to get rid of the 6.5 jap. you can buy ammo from Norma, also brass which is what I do. A very accurate round with mild recoil.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Went to Colorado and the first person in our camp to kill an elk was shooting a .338 Lapua Magnum... I'd never even heard of it before then. Of course he was a gunsmith, lived in Colorado, had a custom gun of untold worth and looked like a homeless person. He showed up with a two foot gray beard, hair to match and a gallon of whiskey. He left camp that first day on foot wearing a flannel shirt and a blue jean jacket. It was sixteen degrees outside. We figured when we got back he'd have frozen to death somewhere but instead there he was by now only wearing the flannel shirt but with his elk and half a bottle. Somehow I believe "seek normalcy at all costs" was not his mantra...

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from sarg wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

pdkmf: one time I got the bright idea to load the .224 Accelerators in my .308 Rem. 700. They shot ok but couldn't really use them when hunting with my .308. Had to adj. sights and all every time I switched back to .308. There may be some laying around here but I doubt I'll ever shoot them.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Clay, when i think of the right calibre, not wanting something that will be obsolete soon, i stick with the cartridges used by the military. Always available and usualy very good for most all hunting or home defence...

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I think the biggest mistake first-time rifle buyers make is trying to find a caliber that will do everything. The person in the market for that first rifle often reasons, "If I can afford just this one rifle right now, I want something that will bash everything from whitetails to elephant!" Yes, there are such rifles--but they are overkill for almost everything but elephant and they are definitely overkill for your shoulder. No, the new rifle buyer should concentrate on a rifle that will be best suited for the kind of hunting he or she will most likely do in the next one to five years. Why? First of all, you will be much happier with a rifle that is "tailored" for your principal game animal, e.g., a 7mm-08 for whitetails. You can bash elk with it if you have to. Secondly, you will have a built-in excuse to buy a "bear rifle" or "elephant rifle" later on! In the meantime, you can shoot whitetails, mule deer and even elk with your 7mm-08 and get really good with it because of its low recoil and inherent accuracy. I once owned a Model 70 Winchester in .270 and it was a good rifle--but today I'd probably go for a 7x57 Mauser or 7mm-08. They will belt you less than even a .270 and they kill out of all proportion to their size and power. The .308 Winchester is also a good bet. I love the .30/06, too, but you don't need its power or recoil for whitetails. I've shot my .300 Weatherby a .416 Remington a lot, and very accurately, but I also have had a partially detached retina. No matter how well you can tolerate recoil psychologically, you can still suffer a certain amount of trauma to your body. Bruised shoulders recover fairly quickly, but you can be building up cumulative damage to other parts of your body--such as your retinas. So go easy on yourselves, young shooters and hunters! They don't give out medals for beating up your body!

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from Sarg wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Chad Love, Dave did not really say not to convert your rifle, but if that's what you carry and depend on a lot, DON'T DO IT, I've got rid of one rifle because I thought it stupid having a rifle in an obsolete calibre no known brass could make the brass needed to reload. (6.5 Jap)I did a lot of research before buying the .204 Ruger, but glad i did ...

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from Chawkins wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

With all the talk about normalcy in the selection of guns, I believe the .300 Weatherby Mag out does the 30-06 anyday, shoots faster, hits harder, and drops less, but thats just by opinion. What do yall think?

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Back when I was a young buck some local folks jumped on the .264 magnum as being the best of all worlds. In a lot of cases it certainly did fulfill that role. Eventually I noticed that several of these Winchesters were either traded off, sold, or rebarreled to 7 mm Rem Mag. Everyone always said the barrels were shot out and I generally believed them since the old guys said so. As time went by I started shooting rifles with larger cases which sent the bullet down about the same size hole. Now the old guys are really old and simply say that we have better steel now then in the fifties and sixties. This is true to some degree. That said I just wanted to add that at my local gun store sits an absolutely wonderful, carefully checkered, blued, and engraved, no dents or blemishes, Julia Roberts perfect Mauser. It was the personal property of Frank Pachmyer and is chambered for .264. Looks like Frank never used it much but did shoot it some. Oddly enough the throat and rifling appear to be in top notch condition. Like Corvettes and diesel pickups you either love or hate .264's. By the way a .338 225 Nosler Partition works great on mulies and goats as shown by my field experience just to see it.

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from dickgun wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I own an Model 1890 Win pump chambered for WRF. Last I checked ammo was still available for it. However, it was not in the past year or so that I checked.

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from PDKMF wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Years ago I tried some of the Remington Accelerator rounds in my 30-06. The accuracy was horrible compared to standard rounds.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Opps I forgot Woodchucks, lots and lots of woodchucks in the farmers fields.

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Michael I think the 375 Ruger is a standard-length/boltface cartridge. As for the 257, the Weatherby stuff just never did trip my trigger.But a 264 win mag with a 26-inch barrel? I could go for that. I'm not much into magnums, but hey, it's a 6.5 so it's all good...

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Clay,I like the fact that IF and only IF, I was plotting to take out the future ms. President the Remington Accelerator round is untraceable. Since the bullet never touches the barrel that leaves no fingerprints. Providing you find your sabot you are good to go. Unfortunitly she has such a thick skull I don't think anything could penetrate it. But anyway I like the fact that it is small and fast and probably will not over penetrate on a soft bodied target. Stray cats, Coyotes Opossums and such, There are no P-dogs where I live. Only in Zoos and the closest Zoo with a P-dog is probably 110 miles from me.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Clay,That was me above about the 55 grain 30-06.Wouldn't that be a fun (if a bit expensive) varmint round?

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from Silvertip wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I have taken gun magazines for forty years. Read the "30-06 vs .270" tripe so many times it gets very old. It is refreshing to read David Petzal. The man has a great abitlity to write and a vocabulary that sets him apart from most others. I go with Dave. Stick to "normal" calibers.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Some people should acquire some actual shooting/firearm/hunting experience before recommending or criticizing calibers and rifles to others.nuff said

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Clay,Why us 110 grain 30-06 when Remington makes a 55 grain Accelerator that does 4080 out of the barrel!That should make a mess out of p-dogs and such!

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from Michael wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Chad,Turn your 7mm magnum into a .257 Weatherby or perhaps the new .375 Ruger.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

AlamoTo get the full potential out of the 264 Win Mag, first of all you must have a 26 inch barrel. That cartridge doesn’t start to take off until the 24 inch mark; this goes for other magnums as well! The extra capacity of powder requires additional time to burn requiring a longer barrel!!! A 30-06 with a 24 inch barrel shooting a 150 grain bullet will peak at approximately 1.5 inches at 52,000 psi (chamber pressure) will have approximately 12,000 psi muzzle pressure (Reference Colonel Hatchers Notebook) thus a magnum will have higher muzzle pressure due to unburned powder that the longer barrel is required for a more complete burn. That my friend is why you get the much larger blast from using the shorter/recommended barrel length. If you lengthen the barrel that will reduce the blast equal to the 30-6 the byproduct will be much higher velocity!!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I am not sure why ammo availability in out of the way places is such a big deal. Take the .35 Whelen for example. Lots of guns chambered for it. Remington still chambers 3 standard models for it, yet Sportsman's Warehouse, Cabela's, and others only stock Remington 200 grain Core-lokts. Federal 225 gr. TBBC is a great load that exploits the .358 bore's capabilities well. My local gun shop stocks it and it can be ordered from Midway and others online catalog. I certainly don't go on a hunt without an ample supply (2 boxes) of cartridges for it. I plan my elk hunts starting from when I pick up this year's meat from the plant. Why wouldn't you plan to have ammo selected, rifle zero'ed, and extra ammo onhand BEFORE season begins?I agree with the previous posts recommending one popular caliber or another for beginners or occasional shooters/hunters.Plan ahead, plan well...

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from PDKMF wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

"The only normal folks are those you don't know".

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Typos run amok! Gman, I await your admonishment. Too impatient to proof read I guess.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I’m feeling sudistic today. I think I’ll hunt deer tomorrow with my 338 Win Mag! 225 grain Hornady at 3000fps!

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Clay,Not to disparage your beloved .264- I'm curious about the attributes you percieve.About 15 years ago A fella I new had a M-70 Weterner in .264 that he loved. He and I got together to shoot and I brought along my chronograph. To say he was crestfallen would be an understatement. Now we all know how factory ballistics are overstated, but if I remmeber right he was shooting a 140 advertised at 3100+ (?) that actually closked about 2850. To add insult to that injury, my .280 Remington handloads, a 150 and a healthy dose of H4831 ran the screens @ 2950.Ever since I have regarded the .264 as mostly noise and flame, with a damn belt to make novices go weak in the knees. I am open to reassessing that opinion however. What's the story?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

ThomasWhy use 30-06 Accelerator rounds that cost up the kazoo when you can hand load 110 grain at 3600fps. Now that’s a real cat disintegrator and coyote round!!

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from Nathan wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Thanks for the advice about the 7mm-08/270 debate. I think i will go with the 7mm-08. Like BA said I dont want to develop a flinch and be in accurate and I also want to practice with out pain. Thanks again,Nathan

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Remember at work when you told the boss’s that there plan was FUBAR and they told you to run with it knowing full well it wasn’t going to work out the best of ways and the idiot tells everyone later that they have a new idea and it’s the one you suggested 3 months ago!Here’s your sign!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Tell us how you really feel about it , Clay! :-)Have a great weekend!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Some time ago, the US Navy used an adapter to place/drop into the chamber of M1 Garand’s chambered for the 30-06 to enable them to shoot the new 7.62 NATO (308 Win).A rifle for 22 short? Where in the hell these people have been! Rifles in single shot, bolt and pumps are capable of firing 22 short, long and long rifle all these years!!What really gets me when some goober smootcher graduate from South Bedcover University comes up with some off the wall BS like the WSSM’s and even the 7mm-08 think it’s the best cartridge on earth….NOT!If I can improve the performance of a 25-06 to shoot like a 257 Weatherby Mag factory load or change the load for the 30-06 from a 150 grain bullet for deer to a 130 grain bullet just imagine what research can be done to improve the cartridges already on the market.If I was to introduce another cartridge, I would bring back the 264 Win Mag with a modified barrel to withstand the extra heat generated by this Titan that reduced the barrel life that made it a flop. The 264 Win Mag really walks the dog compared to other Magnum cartridges!

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Dr. Ralph,I adgree finding odd ball ammo is hard to do when you need it most. I am running low on 30-06 Accelorator rounds for my kitty Cat hunting. JUST KIDDING!!! Cat go splat and no need to burry the evidence.

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from Tommy wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I actually have an off topic question for anyone with taxidermy experience reading today. I am tanning another deer hide by the methanol and turpentine method, I know - its a method usually for smaller skins, but I want the hair on and also for the skin to be very soft. It was my last punch of the card this season, and a decent buck. The skin is over 5', from neck to tail, and I got the tail too.My question is - does anyone know if mineral spirits, (thinner) is much different, in this use, than methanol, (wood alcohol thinner)?They are both paint thinners, degreasers in fact, so I would think they would do the same thing?The local hardware guy says ok, but another friend says the mineral spirits may work alot faster. Presently, I am supposed to soak for 7 to 10 days, shaking the solution daily, as the two ingredients different weights will cause them to separate.

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from Tommy wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Alamo,When you find normal; let me know.Dr. Ralph,My brother and I sometimes throw around the skirt thing, or just call each other a sissy. That usually prompts some action.

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from BA wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Nathan, go with the milder 7-08. I bought a .270 when I was 16, all I accomplished was to develop a flinch that kept me from becoming proficient. Keep in mind that you have plenty of time to upgrade to more powerful rifles later on if you like. Be sure to wear hearing protection when you practice or you may start flinching and end up nearly deaf like me. Good Luck. Be Safe. BA

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

True oddball story:Early 1980's. Stumbled into a "Sporting Goods" store (high end) in Dallas to kill some time before an appointment.Noted an absolutely spectacular goodie standing out from the chaff on the used shelf. I was handed a quite hefty, left handed bolt gun with the inscription ".333 G&H Magnum" upon the immaculate bluing.I stated, "That would be an interesting round to see!"Clerk then stated, "I think I have some ammo for it right here!" as he pawed his way through his ammo stock!!!Absolutely beautiful piece! I have never seen either a round or any ballistics on it, and that's been over 20 years ago.Bubba

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

C'mon DEP! It aint the ramp apes sending your ammo to Aukland; that was the dimwit (almost said bimbo) behind the counter checking your luggage in! The ramp apes just bounce check your rifle cases! Twice!But I really want to bring that .22-460 nearlyplasmatica which only takes a 53 grain .224 projectile but launches said bullet at 6600fps from the custom 27.36 inch barrel rifled at 1 in 14.7 inches! I know it can kill everything from field mice to giraffes but now I want to try it on ole Jumbo to really have something to brag about on the Gun Nut blog!Tongue firmly in cheek I am respectfullySA

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from Emmanuel wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

To Shaky and KJ:If Solomon's 1,000 women were like KJ's wife, he'd need 739,000 pairs of shoes to keep them happy. The poor guy would be so busy building closets and funding shoes that he probably wouldn't have time to hunt or shoot at all, much less take time to load up his own wildcats.To Nathan:If you're going to travel a lot with this rifle (i.e., shoot deer in other locales), .270 ammo might be slightly easier to find and/or cheaper, although the price almost totally depends on where you buy your cartridges. Otherwise, I second everyone else's advice that it's best to buy the gun that's easiest to shoot because you'll practice more. That's what counts.

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from Shaky wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Diferent strokes,I guess. If I go to Mont. to a friend's connections with the rancher's dog town, I will pack the neatest little Sako you ever laid eyes on. A wildcat,and 500-1000rnds of ammo. An old 722 with a Douglas premium barrel in 22-250,and another 1000rnds for it. Another wildcat 6mm and 300 or so rnds for it.I will drive my own Ford pu. and I have a check list. The first item loaded is the ammo, all of it. I built these rifles for me to shoot,not to sell, and I wouldn't part with one of them for any price.I haven't hunted big game with a wildcat since Rem. adopted the 25-06,but when I am shooting at varmints,the above mentioned rifles give a satifaction that I wouldn't be able to make you understand, you see, I made them, as far as I know, nobody else has one,or is likely to because evryone wants to be able to sell when mama needs 93 pr of shoes to clutter up the closet with.So, also,has been my experience with selling a gun so I could buy another, or a car because another one was in vogue at the time,for a dozen trades or sales I have been as sorry as some of you have said you are.So for the last 40yr or so yrs I have been a "collector",not a trader. If I wear a barrel out I replace it, same stock,same scope,same caliber,most times,same load,or nearly so.As the wise man wrote in The Song of Soloman, A time for evrything under the sun. He probably would have written and a place to use the well chosen wildcat if he hadn't had 1000 women to try to keep happy. I know I would have.

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from KJ wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

"Eschew the weird and the unnatural. Seek normalcy at all costs."My wife thinks it more than weird that I rise well before dawn, climb a tree in sub-freezing weather, sit there all day hoping to see Bambi or his mother come walking by so I can kill him/her. I think it is weird that she needs 739 pairs of shoes in our closet. Of course, I'm right.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Tommy, every time I leave a putt short I get the Nancy Boy line.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Nathan go for the 7-08. You will be able to practice a lot with no pain. Practice practice practice, and then practice some more. Like RMH says shoot often and straight.As for memorabilia, my best High School buddy had a Mickey Mantle rookie card in mint condition he got back in the 60's. He sold it in 1978 and bought a car. They are now auctioning them off for $165,000. OUCH... I had the Lionel trains when I was a kid. Spent a fortune on them in the 60's and when I moved out my mom threw them away. OUCH...I agree with Dave's assessment on caliber choice if you are a world traveler. I am not and carry my ammo with me in my truck and don't sell guns. Still the 30-06, .270, and 30-30 have proven themselves time and time again. There is a reason for their popularity.

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Or can you - S^3? Shoot, shovel, shut up?

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

On the firearm oddity - I can't remember who made the thing, but my grandpa had a single shot .22 that was supposed to come to me after grandma passed away. It cound't have been worth much, but it had extreme sentimental value to me. Long story short, my cousin pawned it because he needed the money. I'd gladly have bought it from him for twice what he got at the pawn shop. Family, can't pick 'em - can't shoot 'em! :-)

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from lyn wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Nathan,If you would be taking shots at 300yds plus; I'd opt for the .270---anything less, it won't matter.I own both, and can tell you that the .7mm-08 has less recoil--which in my case makes me a better shooter. When taking to the woods I more often than not will grab the .7mm-08. Both are outstanding choices for whitetail. Good hunting.

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Well Gman, I feel better about my "lost treasures" now. No tellin' what your b-ball would be worth in todays collector crazy market.I would lament the 92 as well. Blame that on my lever gun addiction. Had a friend that had a rifle chambered to the rimfire you mention (I believe it was .22 WRF) and a pump chambered to a .25 rimfire; Stevens if I recall. We were kids and shot up his ammo. I'm sure that fodder is collectable as well.Tommy,I have many friends and family (when I claim them) that are centrist Democrats. We frequently have lively discussions on issues ranging from health care to taxes, to the prosecution of the war. We may disagee vehemently (because I'm right!), but I do respect their opinions and understand their frustration. If I appear irritable, attribute it to age and hard knocks. I seriously have never meant to offend, but I don't mind tweaking either. It may be an easy line to cross. As for the "Nancy boy" cracks, it just happens to be my family's favorite method of casting cheerful aspersions. To this day my younger brother and I cut each other no slack. Last Christmas he was with me while I cut fire wood and when I (stupidly) did myself injury and expressed my discomfort, his first question was whether I was having cramps as well. We're probably not "normal".

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from Gman wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Chad and Alamo:When I was a kid, one of my granddad's pals gave me a baseball signed by all the 1920 Brooklyn Dodgers.Yup, sure enough, the day came when I needed a baseball to play with - and I got a couple seasons out of that old plug. And somehow I think the old codgers who signed that thing would've liked that rather than see me horde it to "amass value."I gave away my two oddball guns when I moved to LA: my brother got the Winchester Model 1903 22, which took a proprietary round no longer made; and my uncle got the 32-20 1892 carbine. No regrets. Guns are tools (someday I may own a piece of art but a tool is sufficient for now), and these went to good homes.

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from KJ wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Nathan,They are both excellent, so you can't lose with either. Just shoot a lot.

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from Nathan wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Hey guys,Im 18 and i will be getting my first rifle petty soon just to deer hunt with. Should I go with the 7mm-08 or a 270win?

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from Nathan wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Hey guys,Im 18 and i will be getting my first rifle petty soon just to deer hunt with. Should I go with the 7mm-08 or a 270win?

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from Tommy wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Hey Alamo,Hey, I may have disagreed with you on the healthcare thing, but I must say just about everything I have read that you have posted since - Gold! I am in total agreement. You may call me a dumbocrat, tree-hugging whatever, but I hoard some serious ammo too!And while I am no democrat or republican, my brother and I had some serious battles with those matchbox cars you spoke of, and gi joe stuff and star wars stuff.We started selling the stuff at our parent's yard sales when we hit our early teens. And you are right again - Good God! I cringe every time I see the prices on a Luke Skywalker figure or just the right, mint matchbox. Boys were boys.And about the "right wing nut" thing, I am sure I am not the first one to call you that, but as I stated before, I can take it all back - just like that. I hold no grudges. I learn just as much from those I sometimes vehemently disagree with, and learn to respect them even more than those I tend to agree with. I may be the first to extend that.

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Maybe not weird and unnatural, but how about old and (ostensibly) obsolete?I just cannot bear to part with my .348 Winchester M-71, my .220 Swift M-54, or my .300 Savages M-99s.Besides owning the odd ones makes the case for handloading all the more sensible. And being a "right-wing nut" I can justify hoarding components on the pretense of uncertain future availability.

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from PbHead wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Genlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen; if we who read this blog would "eschew the weird and unnatural" we would not be reading this blog. Variety is the spice of life.

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I know how you fell Chad. Remember the old made in England Matchbox cars? My brother and I decided that spraying then with lighter fluid and setting them ablaze to simulate horrific accidents was a lot more fun than preserving them.Saw a couple at a collector's shop recently marked at $65 and $80.Boys will be boys.

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

No, but I did stage epic galactic battles between my old Crosman 760 and the legion of Star Wars action figures and ships I collected when I was a kid, action figures and ships that now bring enough money on Ebay to make me repeatedly bash my forehead into the nearest fencepost while screaming "YOU IDIOT!" every time I have the misfortune to recall it...I can say, however, that when the original C3-PO action figure is hit just right with a BB going around 500fps it does blow apart just like the scene in "The Empire Strikes Back."Did I mention that I'm an idiot?

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from Charles Benoit wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

The really good thing about having a very common rifle cartridge is that if you start off into the woods and realize you forgot your ammo at home, there's a good bet that another hunter back at camp can spare you 2 or 3 of his cartridges.Regards,Charles

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I think if you add the .243 Win, 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag to Matt's list, you would have the top selling cartridges nationwide.Gotta be a real good reason for that!

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from KJ wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Gee Chad, did you paint mustaches on your beenie babies, too?Just joking.

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

So you're telling me it's a bad idea to be turning an old, 1974-vintage plain-jane 7mm rem mag 700 ADL I've got into a sexy, firebreathing .264 win mag?What else can I do with a magnum action but tart it up into something weird that I don't really need? Where's the fun in that?

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from Matt Mallery wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I have a Marlin lever action chambered for .35 Remington and even in a big metro area it is tough to find ammo for it. 30.06, .270, .308, .30-30, and .22LR are always around from what I have noticed. And there is a reason for this. They work.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

KJRight on! My .30-06 or .308 goes on every trip in at least the backup rifle role.

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from jack wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Like Yogi might have said: If it's fixed, don't break it.

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from KJ wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I truly believe that this is why the short-fat craze will ultimately fade away. The .30-06, .270, .308, .30-30 etc. are like great blue jeans and Tony Bennett - timeless.

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I know what you mean by being and the ends of the Earth and not being able to get the proper ammunition.Last March I went pheasant hunting in central Virginia on a preserve and the local Wal-Mart didn’t have a single box of 12ga shells other than steel T shot. No joke. They had a stack of 375 H&H but no 12ga. The only conclusion I can draw is that there’s more cape buffalo in Virginia during that time of than pheasant.

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from jstreet wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Save your "one of a kind" firearms for trips to the range, local jaunts and showing off to your friends.Hunting arms chambered in standard calibers may mean the difference in hunting and not hunting if something breaks or ammo is lost or forgotten.Jim

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I always thought a .22LR adapter mated to my .45/70 would be kinda cool?JUST KIDDING!!

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from Tommy wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

The way folks are coming after ammo and gun dealers, I would not want to limit any of my firearms to any certain bullet. I can see the delight and coolness of doing so, even how one could serioulsy tweek a gun, but no thanks.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Sarg and Dave in St. Pete. Thanks for the info. Sarg hope a new gun don;t need parts immediaely. I;m told and just read the info Dave gave me on the 44-40- and it should be ok for me. I don;t shoot a handgun a lot, when I do, its my 22's as much cheaper to fire. My other firearms, I just play with, shoot now and then at the range to try and out-shoot some of my younger guest. So far no problem. I liked the 44-40 caliber because I know of no one in my circle who has one and I kinda like being a odd ball and have something no one else may have. However, will carry the 44-40 when I head to the Rockies, as the 44-40 has a longer bbl and is case harden, where the 45 is Matt and checkered grips. Neither of the guns look alike at all. Now I;m full of new guns, till another comes out, just want a 270 Savage now. Hey, whats this new cartridge that Ruger came out with 375? is it to replace the 375 H&H or is this another attempt as the WSM's were, now duds. You can really get some great buys in the WSSM's and some WSM's, especially in the 300 WSM. For a 300 stick with the 300 Win Mag. Me and my slight built and l28 lbs the 300 is too much, the 06 with R3 pad and total wt at l0 lbs does great. Hopefully can draw the states I want for 2008 so can try out some of these new fiearms.But, if don;t stay away from the guns shops, not going anyplace. We got 3 days of season left here and past 3 days temps been at 77-78 deg. too hot, deer bedded near water, eat at night. OK guys, time for me to hit the sack. Shoot straight and often. The old Gunslinger

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Rocky,Here's a link to some good info on the 44-40http://www.gunweek.com/2004/feature0601.html

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from sarg wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Hey Rocky , you talking about the 44-40, did you miss the blog about odd guns any trying to find ammo.. Just kidding, love the old guns but believe they belong on the shelf.. parts can be hard to come by..

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Dave in St Pete:& Ishawooa: I should not enter a gun shop ever again. Today I made that mistake and bought another handgun?????. A Uberti in 44-40 Blue/caseharden Steel, NM, 5 l/2" bbl , Walnut grips. I thought a 45 was what I had to havein Matte, but when saw this 44-40 I had to have it as well. Now got a pair. So us gun nuts go crazy in a gun shop. Best I not enter till I pay my taxes, then if any left, buy a new Savage Weather Warrior in 270 and apply for tags in CO,Wy and MT. We got 4 days of season left here for w-tails. Temp to hot, was 77 yesterday and 78 today, 50's at night. Deer laying low near water, moving at night. Hopefully cooler by Fri/Sat the last days. If not, will have a weeks Turkey , either sex in Jan for l week. Got to get into the Coyote calling business, as we got a influx of them.Understand a Rabbit call is better for them, plus my 25-06 @85 gr bullets. Hey what you know about 44-40 ammo?I'm told it's a very old caliber, like more than 100 yrs old????? it's kinda in between a 41 mag and a 44 Special?? any truth to that? Gotta order a box of Ammo, shop had none, now to see if can hit a barn door. Now i;m ready for BEAR country next fall in Montana. Can;t run,so gotta shoot my way out.I can do ok out to 25-30 yds, all in 4"-6" Give me some stats on the 44-40 please? The old gunslinger, who;s gun crazy and going broke if don;t stay away from GUNS. But so far, never lost any $ on guns, but sure have on DOW.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Clay I've got a nice shooter (collector piece now) the HighStandard model H-B. will not shoot the shorts. not enough hump there, but the newer stingers and high velocity shell are too strong. standard or target loads work great. That's all you could find in 1942 when the pistol was made. They did make a model C for .22 shorts only

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

To Ishawooa::::::I bought a 300 Win Mag and a 300 WSM when they came out. I shot the 300 WSM 10 times and found another buyer. That thing turned me around. The Win Mag. was OK, but yet the recoil a little much for me. A noted writer told me to get the Federal Mag. 30-06 shells and it would be equal to a 300 Win Mag.???? These new shells by Remington Scricco's do a tereffic job in my 24" bbl 06. My last 3 trips west, they preformed better than I ever thought they would. AS for the 25-06 I would like to know how far that gun would shoot and hit a pie plate. But the 06 using the Scricco's with l50 gr bullets I feel will work better. Next fall when I go to WY/Montana I will try the 06 using the l50's on Lopes and see how it compares to the 25-06/270. I plan to ship 2 of the guns and Ammo in advance of my flying out, as I have to take so much Medicine, have a problem with the aairlines, so I ship it also. We got tomorrow (SAt) and next week left to hunt here in N>C., then wait a week and head to Virginia for 2 weeks of Shotguns and l week B/P. I hate B/P to much trouble, but gets me out outside weather permitting. Shoot straight and often. The old Gunslinger in NC

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Although I tend to own custom built rifles by luck and preference I find the Savages very much appealing especially with the Accu-trigger. A friend just got a Model 12 which shoots as well as most bench rest rifles. Amazing for the price. Anyway Rocky Mtn Hunter beware of that REMOVABLE magazine. Out here in the Rockies you rarely see locals using them because the "clips" tend to disappear when you are 15 horse miles from the pavement and 50 pavement miles from the gun store. You choice is to ride to town, use a single shot that is difficult to reload in a hurry, or pack an extra magazine and listen to it jingle in your pocket. Besides who needs more than 3 or 4 shots in most circumstances? Just an idea based on experiences which I thought might help you. Also since you have a great .25-'06 and a .30 you will not find the .270 to be a revelation in respect to the other two which you probably already know. It goes without saying that all are excellent choices for use anywhere. However those dreaded windblown cross canyon late in the afternoon shoots on the last day of the hunt will never make you regret buying and learning to shoot a 7, .300, or .338 RUM (or other big cased maggie, not the little guys). Relatively small market and some bloggers appear to love to beat up the RUMs which tells me that they have never experienced the circumstances just mentioned.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Rocky,Trust me you'll love the accu-trigger. Light and crisp!I agree on the Savage stock fit/feel not being the best but with the way they shoot I just can't help myself.Sounds like you got lots of meat in the freezer so for an old geezer (hey it rhymed so I had to!) you do right well!I just got a DVD on deer processing from the KY wild life site. It shows gutting to the freezer. I know you know how to gut but this shows how to de-bone the carcass and how to get the best stakes and roasts. Good buy for 16.50 (including shipping).

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Dave in St Pete, thanks for replying. Have you ever been in a gun shop and pickdt up a firearm and it just Fitted to a T? thats what happened to me on the Uberti at Bass this past summer. When I picket up that handgun and pointed it skyward, I knew I had found a handgun that I had to have. I have 3 S&W 357's but they just not what I wanted. Always wanted to be a Cowboy, but for reasons yet unknown I never moved westward when younger.Had I done so, would be ranching near the Rocky Mtns today. As for the night stalkers, game warden is on alert now, with decoy deer around. With our help and his authority, hopefully we can put these guys away for a while.I;ve used Remington firearms for 50 odd years, they just fit my small frame. When I go west each yea, I take a 700 in 06 and a 700 in 25-06. I've been looking for a foul weather rifle for some time now and decided on a Savage with det.mag in 270. Syn stock, matte blue bbl. For the quality and $$ its a great buy and do like the 3 position safety,. Not tried the Accutrigger, but sounds ok. I ride a 4 wheeler a lot(I;m 72) to my hunt area, thru woods, and a Walnut stock gets beat up, with the syn stock should take rough handling better. Being 72 and disabled/handicapped I can;t walk the hills, valleys as most hunters do. I have several ground blinds I use here and have permits to shot from vehicles in 5 Western States. I usually park the 4 x 4 Blazer and walk a couple hundred yds and sit and wait for game to come by (hopefully). So far, been lucky, as got a 6 x 6 Bull, 3 x 3 Mulie, l4 l/2" Lope and many 8 point w-tails. Plans made for NE Montana for 2008 to hunt plains Mulies and Lopes then back to NW Montana for Elk. Guys I hunt with have all the outfitting equiptment and we plan to camp out a few nights, something else I always wanted to do. My wife goes with me , the best bird dog one could have. Another reason I want a Syn/matt bbl Savage 270 is the odd ball weather you can have out there. One day in 70's next day -0 and rain, sleet, snow, etc. That foul weather takes its toll on Walnut stocked firearms. kinda figure the 270 is between the 25-06 and the 30-06, so should work ok on what-ever I'm hunting with correct ammo. I;ve never thought Savage got the attention it deserves. Most Savages I;ve handled feel ok,but stock is not situated in same position as a Rem. 700 for me. But with some pratice should be ok. I always use Nikon Monarch scopes 3x9x40 with Leupold Dual Dove Tail Steel rings and bases.Never had one get off 0 even with the rought treatment the airlines give firearms.I walk with a cane,(both hips replaced) but use my Stoney Point Bi-pods as a rest and walking sticks. Killed my Deer last year at 345 yds and was standing up using the Bi-pod. Killed my w-tail here last week at 260 yds using the sticks again.I use Remington's new Ammo,Scricco's 180 gr for the 06 and Winchester Ballastic tips ll7 gr in the 25-06. The 180's a tad on heavy side for w-tails, but my CDL with 24: bbl shoots them better. Read last night that Remington trying to buy Taurus as the new owners of Remington wants to dble the volume of sales from 500 million to l billion within 2 yrs at Remington. They got to add lines of other products, as they can;t do that volume with bolt action rifles. I look for a complete new line of sporting goods equiptment to be added as well. Just hope they don;t cut corners to meet their goal, but at my age, got all the hunting guns I will need after I buy the Savage. Did not plan to go on and on, but us gun/hunting nuts can;t find end to bull S----g. Thanks again, take care, shoot-um-straight.Old gunslinger from NC

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

She needs a web site... I could definitely buy some stuffed mice with a sense of humor. My house is full of dead animals anyway...

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Tommy,My niece is truly a unique girl, she has been mounting road kill since she was 10. That and she has a weird sense of humor when it comes to field mice. Let's just say they are in plentiful supply and some of them have webbed duck's feet. I think there are more stuffed mice around her house then are live out in the pole barns. She has them in every pose imaginable from the 3 blind mice to hickory dickory dock. That and she is a admirable hunter.

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from R. Wayne Moorhead wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Just bought your book. The illustrators should get more credit as that is what made me decide to buy it.I enjoy great writing. I keep the book next to my chair & pick it up each time I want to laugh.I also enjoy the brevity of the articles as it lends itself to sporadic reading.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Rocky,If you find those guys that will kill a deer for a couple of hunks of bone and a backstrap, return the favor to 'em. ;)

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Rocky,The Uberti is a good gun. A lot of the cowboy shooters I know use them BUT don't use more than cowbou loads in them, they won't take it.Why not a Ruger? If you get an older full size Ruger Vaquero (NOT a new smaller one) they shoot like gang busters and will handle all loads, or of course the Blackhawk or IF you can find an older Redhawk (double action) chambered for the 45 (I have one and LOVE it).Favorite hunters...Savage 111F 30-06 with the Accu-trigger, Puma lever action (92 clone) in 454 / 45LC or the Puma 44 mag (92 clone).

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Dave in St Pete: Not the Monster yet,still lookimg.My Son and I both killed nice Bucks within l/2 hr of each other.We've hunted 42 years and that was the first time we both killed a deer the same day. Name plate on the mounts will reflect such. We got a problem with poachers and night shooters down here. Guys as far away as 60 miles have been spotlighting for the Monster. In fact 2 caught SAt Night, and 2 tonight about l hr ago. My Son was coming in from work saw this Jeep cross ways in a major road spotlighting across a friends field. Son Called GAme warden after he got the license plate #, so hopefully they will be caught.On way back home this AM, saw 2 deer dead in ditch, one a small Doe, no meat take, other a buck with horns sawed off and one of the back straps cut out with hide attached. So a bunch of us playing night watch now, as we don;t want this Monster killed by light. We all want a shot at him but legal. Hey, waht do you know about the A. Uberti handguns? good/bad?// Too bad the T/C Icon in that crazy .30 will go same way the WSM's did. Why did they not stick with tried proven calibes on this new gun. The gun is beautiful, but the Caliber stinks.Me, I will stick with my 700's and kill my game. The 30-06 and the 25-06 will handle all I hunt. Yep, I got some odd-ball stuff, but when go hunting, either the 25-06 or 06 or both go along with me./ They go West each trip I make.So far so good. But getting to age that the cold weather gts to me. Gonna have to hunt early when warmer. So gonna try Lopes and Desert Mulies next year in Sept.Don;t forget to give me your honest opnion on the A. Uberti in 45 colt, I got the hots for one in 5 l/2" bbl, walnut grip, matt metal, 45 LC colt. Been looking at a 45 Clone for 2 years saw this one at Bass this summer, gonna order one for my Christmas present, hide it under the tree and suprise a lot of people come Christmas night. At 72, few hunts left, so gonna enjoy to the fullest and when I go west, I want a side arm in that Bear Country we hunt in.The 44 mag to much for my small hands, I only weight 128, prior to my cancer weighed l80.But yet here. Hunted most of today, man was the wind terrible. Take care shoot straight and often. PS; What is your favorite hunting gun/caliber?

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Beware the man who owns but one gun! For his wife will not allow him two!I've found the sub-sonic .22 LR rounds to be very satisfactory when reducing noise is important. The callack-ack of the action on my 10-.22 is the loudest thing you hear when using them in it. Put them in a bolt action with a longer barrel and you really don't have a lot of bang. As importantly the bang doesn't sound like the traditional .22 LR crack.Truly on topic though -- whether it is your first or forty-first gun -- sticking to tried and true calibers makes the most sense; all of the "New and Improved" short-fat and shorter-fatter cartridges are designed for one thing; separating fools from their money! No doubt the T/C Icon is a pretty rifle but chamber it in .308 Win not some newball screwball .30 with no real-world advantage over the tried and true. Unlike the Contender series with interchangeable barrels, those buying the Icon are stuck with that one tube, that will be the death nell for an otherwise promising rifle.SA

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

MtnHunter,How did it go? Find that monster?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

GregGo find yourself some CB .22 Longs by CCI. Quieter than the standard .22 short.On the subject of preferable calibers, a few of us had a discussion of the short mags, etc. after church. The consensus is that the short fats don't really do anything that an existing cartridge already does, except put it in a short action with reduced magazine capacity.We also agreed the the old adage "beware of the man with one rifle..." can mean one of two things: He is really good with it and has picked the best caliber for many things; or he doesn't hunt or shoot often enough to have 2 rifles and is therefore to be pitied.

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from Tommy wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Thanks Thomas,I already got the hide soaking. Several people I asked said go for it, but they think I am nuts since you can pay like 30 or 40 bucks to get it done for you. I enjoy it. I spent most of the afternoon yesterday simmering and scraping the skull of the last deer. I am making a euro mount with it. Time for a peroxide bath. The skin has to soak til Thursday, then I will be washing and finishing with Neats oil.I think the older I get, the more I want to make use of the animals. I have even started keeping the dew claws to make a rattle for - shxt I don't know just to do it. I think part time taxidermy will be in order as I grow older. A nice sign out front of the 5 acres I have in rural NC with a few mounts to display on the weekends, if I can keep the squirrels from eating the antlers anyway.Later

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Used to shoot .22 shorts at frogs and coon hunting. Perfect round for that. Ashamed to say also used one in a neighborhood to shoot squirrels cause it was very quiet. Would love to see it come back.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

The new T/C Icon in .30 will bite the dust as has the WSM's and Rums. Stick with tried, proven, calibers to hunt anything most of us will ever hunt. That being a 30-06, 25-06, 270, 22 mag, 30-30. The Icon is beautiful to look at, but the first test were not favorable. Remington's 700 line to me is the way to go. I;ve killed, Elk, Mule Deer,Lopes many w-tails and with the new ammo out now the 06 is equal to a 300 win mag. LAst year in Montana I killed a Nice deer at 345 yards, this year at home I killed a w-tail at 270 yds, all one shots. In WY killed a nice Lope at 325 yds with the 25-06. To me, I would take the 30-06 on any hunt other than the Griz, but with the new ammo by Rem. Scricco's l80 grs, I believe with a well placed shot it would handle the griz.By all means if griz hunting, have a hunting pardner with a capable firearm to back you up. There are many grest calibers out there, but Ammo may be hard to find if your luggage misses your flight.With the calibers I mentioned,can buy anywhere ammo is sold. Go to any out of the way country store, and bet they got 30-.06, 270,s 30-30 and 22'.Just read, Remington plans to add handguns to it line-up of firearms,can;t wait to get a 44-40 or 45 LC Revoler when they come out. Ok guys, gotta get as 4 Am comes early in Am and I want to be in my ground blind by 5;30.At 72, cant't climb the trees anymore. Again, when it doubt on calibers get a 30-06 and a good scope ( not a Wal-mart 29.95 special) and go hunting, but pratice a lot prior.The old Gunslinger down south NC.Wish me luck on a monster w-tail seen only at nite near my place. Sure makes my 8's and 9 and many 6;s look like babies.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Tommy,I will inquire about your question about the different tanning methods with my 15 year old niece. As soon as she comes in out of the woods. She wants to become a Taxidermist when she graduates from school. I have seen her work and would have her mount any of my prized kills any day of the week.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Amen Chev JimMy same thought train!It ain't fun if it hurts!Bubba

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Bubba, there is definitely something to lighter people being able to shoot magnums without absorbing so much punishment. With a lighter body, the whole body tends to be pushed back, rather than the butt of the rifle burying itself into your shoulder. Speaking of that, I'm reminded of an 8mm Mauser I own, which was a gift from my wife. It had a hard steel buttplate, and it was noticeably harder on my shoulder than my M-1 Garand, which also had a steel buttplate but which was gas-operated. I do believe in recoil pads. In fact, I'm in favor of doing just about anything to attenuate recoil--short of installing a muzzle brake. In my opinion, trading a little bit of thump doesn't justify the mangling of your hearing. The best bet is to match the rifle to the game. And, as we graybeards have racked up experience over the years, we've learned that Jack O'Connor was right: you don't have to launch a bullet over .33 caliber and 250 grains to anchor a whitetail--or elk or moose, for that matter. Not only that, but using a smaller, lighter-kicking caliber actually makes you feel SMARTER--and that's a good feeling!

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from sarg wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Dr. Ralph, Thanks for the info, But i've sold the 6.5, threw in the dies, but I dolike the 7x57 you mentioned. Good cartridge, love it. Thanks much.Sarg

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from Black Rifle Addict wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

.308,.30/06,.270win,and 30/30 is the way the go if you are concerned about finding ammo around, but I still say shoot what you like to shoot, and if you are that worried about the Airlines losing your ammo, send some out ahead of time to your guide for safe keeping.Just some food for thought!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Sarg- Cheaper Than Dirt has 6.5 X 50 Japanese 156 gr. Soft Points 2067 fps right now for $31.76 a box... Norma makes them and they also make the most accurate round for my 7 X 57. They make a 200 gr 30-06 round too but I haven't tried it.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Nathan, It's not just about buying the ammo for the 6.5 Jap, Its as mentioned earlier, Finding it when you need it. and at 40.00 per box, I don't think that a good way to go...I also owned the 7.7 Jap, very easy to make ammo for, using the 30.06 brass and .312 bullets, but all in all I will always stick to something VERY popular and dependable when hunting. Love my .308 Rem.700. no need fooling around with hard to find ammo, especialy today with prices going up as fast as they are.. I reload every thing I shoot(.308, .204,) . Wish I could load the .17HMR, but that the way it is....Most of all be careful, shoot a lot, have fun, and enjoy.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

.300 Wby.300 Win Mag.30-06 Spgfld.308 WinOf the above listed cartridge designations, which is most likely to be located at Ma & Pa's Hwd in downtown Podunk, US of A?Had an old buddy, rest his soul, that would shoot nothing but a .300 Win Mag. If a stiff breeze came up, he had to carry window weights in his back pockets so he wouldn't blow away! He killed everything with "Big Thunder", as he called it. Elk, mulies, WT's, SQUIRRELS! I've seen him do it. Heaven help but could he shoot that acorn combine!The only thing I can think of is that he was so light, that shoulder howitzer just shoved him around instead of belting him. I outweighed him by 50-60 lbs, and "Big Thunder" absolutely crossed my eyes!Take your MANGRUMS and shove 'em.Case belts don't kill, well placed shots DO!!!!Bubba

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Have anyone seen any Rouge Elephants roaming in the woods requiring so much firepower lately

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Chawkins |I agree with you that the 300 Weatherby hits harder and has flatter trajectory. However, I’ve witnessed cleaner kills by the 30-06 over the big magnums on moose and caribou!

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from BA wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter, Clay, and DP of course, I agree with you guys most of the time. WA Mtnhunters good advice: Plan early, plan well. Clay: It isn't the arrow, it's the Indian. Dave: don't screw up a good rifle. A couple of years ago I was in the market for a new rifle. I had just retired and decided I would get back into reloading. I wanted a rifle that really fit me well, that was really light weight, that had recoil that was less than the 338 Win Mag., a rifle that was accurate. After looking on all the websites and at the shooters bible, I figured that I would probably settle on a Savage Bolt Action in probably 7mm08. When I found a gun shop owner on the phone who actually wanted to talk about it, I told him I would be there the next morning to shoulder and try out his Savage line. I put several guns to my shoulder and the one that fit me, I mean really fit me was a Tikka T3 Lite. I had never even heard of them. The rifle I had thrown up to my shoulder was a 270 WSM. I had read good press about that cartridge so I decided to go with that one. I'm not one bit sorry. That rifle shoots almost all loads under MOA. It's the best fitting, lightest, most accurate rifle I've ever shot with this kind of off the shelf accuracy. The one modification I made was a limbsaver recoil pad. The rifle recoils straight back instead of up in your face. I'll give this rifle a 9 1/2 out of 10 right off the shelf. This is my all around go to gun. A great group on this Blog. BA. PS Like the Wise Man says, "Shoot often, Shoot Straight", I like that. (RMH?)

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from Zermoid wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Quote:"I actually have an off topic question for anyone with taxidermy experience reading today. I am tanning another deer hide by the methanol and turpentine method, I know - its a method usually for smaller skins, but I want the hair on and also for the skin to be very soft. It was my last punch of the card this season, and a decent buck. The skin is over 5', from neck to tail, and I got the tail too.My question is - does anyone know if mineral spirits, (thinner) is much different, in this use, than methanol, (wood alcohol thinner)?They are both paint thinners, degreasers in fact, so I would think they would do the same thing?The local hardware guy says ok, but another friend says the mineral spirits may work alot faster. Presently, I am supposed to soak for 7 to 10 days, shaking the solution daily, as the two ingredients different weights will cause them to separate.Posted by: Tommy"OK, I'm no chemist nor taxidermist but aren't mineral spirits an oil product and methanol straight alcohol from a fermentation process?Sounds like an apples and oranges comparison to me.

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from KJ wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Chawkins,I think the .300 Weatherby and the .30-06 make the same size hole and the -06 does it without kicking the crap out of me, or deafening me. If there is something I need to kill that is too big for a .30-06 then it is too big for the Weatherby, too. The Weatherby may fly flatter, but at a price. Costs more, too.

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from Nathan Pinney wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Sarg,There's no reason to get rid of the 6.5 jap. you can buy ammo from Norma, also brass which is what I do. A very accurate round with mild recoil.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Went to Colorado and the first person in our camp to kill an elk was shooting a .338 Lapua Magnum... I'd never even heard of it before then. Of course he was a gunsmith, lived in Colorado, had a custom gun of untold worth and looked like a homeless person. He showed up with a two foot gray beard, hair to match and a gallon of whiskey. He left camp that first day on foot wearing a flannel shirt and a blue jean jacket. It was sixteen degrees outside. We figured when we got back he'd have frozen to death somewhere but instead there he was by now only wearing the flannel shirt but with his elk and half a bottle. Somehow I believe "seek normalcy at all costs" was not his mantra...

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from sarg wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

pdkmf: one time I got the bright idea to load the .224 Accelerators in my .308 Rem. 700. They shot ok but couldn't really use them when hunting with my .308. Had to adj. sights and all every time I switched back to .308. There may be some laying around here but I doubt I'll ever shoot them.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Clay, when i think of the right calibre, not wanting something that will be obsolete soon, i stick with the cartridges used by the military. Always available and usualy very good for most all hunting or home defence...

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I think the biggest mistake first-time rifle buyers make is trying to find a caliber that will do everything. The person in the market for that first rifle often reasons, "If I can afford just this one rifle right now, I want something that will bash everything from whitetails to elephant!" Yes, there are such rifles--but they are overkill for almost everything but elephant and they are definitely overkill for your shoulder. No, the new rifle buyer should concentrate on a rifle that will be best suited for the kind of hunting he or she will most likely do in the next one to five years. Why? First of all, you will be much happier with a rifle that is "tailored" for your principal game animal, e.g., a 7mm-08 for whitetails. You can bash elk with it if you have to. Secondly, you will have a built-in excuse to buy a "bear rifle" or "elephant rifle" later on! In the meantime, you can shoot whitetails, mule deer and even elk with your 7mm-08 and get really good with it because of its low recoil and inherent accuracy. I once owned a Model 70 Winchester in .270 and it was a good rifle--but today I'd probably go for a 7x57 Mauser or 7mm-08. They will belt you less than even a .270 and they kill out of all proportion to their size and power. The .308 Winchester is also a good bet. I love the .30/06, too, but you don't need its power or recoil for whitetails. I've shot my .300 Weatherby a .416 Remington a lot, and very accurately, but I also have had a partially detached retina. No matter how well you can tolerate recoil psychologically, you can still suffer a certain amount of trauma to your body. Bruised shoulders recover fairly quickly, but you can be building up cumulative damage to other parts of your body--such as your retinas. So go easy on yourselves, young shooters and hunters! They don't give out medals for beating up your body!

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from Sarg wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Chad Love, Dave did not really say not to convert your rifle, but if that's what you carry and depend on a lot, DON'T DO IT, I've got rid of one rifle because I thought it stupid having a rifle in an obsolete calibre no known brass could make the brass needed to reload. (6.5 Jap)I did a lot of research before buying the .204 Ruger, but glad i did ...

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from Chawkins wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

With all the talk about normalcy in the selection of guns, I believe the .300 Weatherby Mag out does the 30-06 anyday, shoots faster, hits harder, and drops less, but thats just by opinion. What do yall think?

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Back when I was a young buck some local folks jumped on the .264 magnum as being the best of all worlds. In a lot of cases it certainly did fulfill that role. Eventually I noticed that several of these Winchesters were either traded off, sold, or rebarreled to 7 mm Rem Mag. Everyone always said the barrels were shot out and I generally believed them since the old guys said so. As time went by I started shooting rifles with larger cases which sent the bullet down about the same size hole. Now the old guys are really old and simply say that we have better steel now then in the fifties and sixties. This is true to some degree. That said I just wanted to add that at my local gun store sits an absolutely wonderful, carefully checkered, blued, and engraved, no dents or blemishes, Julia Roberts perfect Mauser. It was the personal property of Frank Pachmyer and is chambered for .264. Looks like Frank never used it much but did shoot it some. Oddly enough the throat and rifling appear to be in top notch condition. Like Corvettes and diesel pickups you either love or hate .264's. By the way a .338 225 Nosler Partition works great on mulies and goats as shown by my field experience just to see it.

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from dickgun wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I own an Model 1890 Win pump chambered for WRF. Last I checked ammo was still available for it. However, it was not in the past year or so that I checked.

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from PDKMF wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Years ago I tried some of the Remington Accelerator rounds in my 30-06. The accuracy was horrible compared to standard rounds.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Opps I forgot Woodchucks, lots and lots of woodchucks in the farmers fields.

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Michael I think the 375 Ruger is a standard-length/boltface cartridge. As for the 257, the Weatherby stuff just never did trip my trigger.But a 264 win mag with a 26-inch barrel? I could go for that. I'm not much into magnums, but hey, it's a 6.5 so it's all good...

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Clay,I like the fact that IF and only IF, I was plotting to take out the future ms. President the Remington Accelerator round is untraceable. Since the bullet never touches the barrel that leaves no fingerprints. Providing you find your sabot you are good to go. Unfortunitly she has such a thick skull I don't think anything could penetrate it. But anyway I like the fact that it is small and fast and probably will not over penetrate on a soft bodied target. Stray cats, Coyotes Opossums and such, There are no P-dogs where I live. Only in Zoos and the closest Zoo with a P-dog is probably 110 miles from me.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Clay,That was me above about the 55 grain 30-06.Wouldn't that be a fun (if a bit expensive) varmint round?

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from Silvertip wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I have taken gun magazines for forty years. Read the "30-06 vs .270" tripe so many times it gets very old. It is refreshing to read David Petzal. The man has a great abitlity to write and a vocabulary that sets him apart from most others. I go with Dave. Stick to "normal" calibers.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Some people should acquire some actual shooting/firearm/hunting experience before recommending or criticizing calibers and rifles to others.nuff said

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Clay,Why us 110 grain 30-06 when Remington makes a 55 grain Accelerator that does 4080 out of the barrel!That should make a mess out of p-dogs and such!

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from Michael wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Chad,Turn your 7mm magnum into a .257 Weatherby or perhaps the new .375 Ruger.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

AlamoTo get the full potential out of the 264 Win Mag, first of all you must have a 26 inch barrel. That cartridge doesn’t start to take off until the 24 inch mark; this goes for other magnums as well! The extra capacity of powder requires additional time to burn requiring a longer barrel!!! A 30-06 with a 24 inch barrel shooting a 150 grain bullet will peak at approximately 1.5 inches at 52,000 psi (chamber pressure) will have approximately 12,000 psi muzzle pressure (Reference Colonel Hatchers Notebook) thus a magnum will have higher muzzle pressure due to unburned powder that the longer barrel is required for a more complete burn. That my friend is why you get the much larger blast from using the shorter/recommended barrel length. If you lengthen the barrel that will reduce the blast equal to the 30-6 the byproduct will be much higher velocity!!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I am not sure why ammo availability in out of the way places is such a big deal. Take the .35 Whelen for example. Lots of guns chambered for it. Remington still chambers 3 standard models for it, yet Sportsman's Warehouse, Cabela's, and others only stock Remington 200 grain Core-lokts. Federal 225 gr. TBBC is a great load that exploits the .358 bore's capabilities well. My local gun shop stocks it and it can be ordered from Midway and others online catalog. I certainly don't go on a hunt without an ample supply (2 boxes) of cartridges for it. I plan my elk hunts starting from when I pick up this year's meat from the plant. Why wouldn't you plan to have ammo selected, rifle zero'ed, and extra ammo onhand BEFORE season begins?I agree with the previous posts recommending one popular caliber or another for beginners or occasional shooters/hunters.Plan ahead, plan well...

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from PDKMF wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

"The only normal folks are those you don't know".

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Typos run amok! Gman, I await your admonishment. Too impatient to proof read I guess.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I’m feeling sudistic today. I think I’ll hunt deer tomorrow with my 338 Win Mag! 225 grain Hornady at 3000fps!

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Clay,Not to disparage your beloved .264- I'm curious about the attributes you percieve.About 15 years ago A fella I new had a M-70 Weterner in .264 that he loved. He and I got together to shoot and I brought along my chronograph. To say he was crestfallen would be an understatement. Now we all know how factory ballistics are overstated, but if I remmeber right he was shooting a 140 advertised at 3100+ (?) that actually closked about 2850. To add insult to that injury, my .280 Remington handloads, a 150 and a healthy dose of H4831 ran the screens @ 2950.Ever since I have regarded the .264 as mostly noise and flame, with a damn belt to make novices go weak in the knees. I am open to reassessing that opinion however. What's the story?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

ThomasWhy use 30-06 Accelerator rounds that cost up the kazoo when you can hand load 110 grain at 3600fps. Now that’s a real cat disintegrator and coyote round!!

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from Nathan wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Thanks for the advice about the 7mm-08/270 debate. I think i will go with the 7mm-08. Like BA said I dont want to develop a flinch and be in accurate and I also want to practice with out pain. Thanks again,Nathan

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Remember at work when you told the boss’s that there plan was FUBAR and they told you to run with it knowing full well it wasn’t going to work out the best of ways and the idiot tells everyone later that they have a new idea and it’s the one you suggested 3 months ago!Here’s your sign!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Tell us how you really feel about it , Clay! :-)Have a great weekend!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Some time ago, the US Navy used an adapter to place/drop into the chamber of M1 Garand’s chambered for the 30-06 to enable them to shoot the new 7.62 NATO (308 Win).A rifle for 22 short? Where in the hell these people have been! Rifles in single shot, bolt and pumps are capable of firing 22 short, long and long rifle all these years!!What really gets me when some goober smootcher graduate from South Bedcover University comes up with some off the wall BS like the WSSM’s and even the 7mm-08 think it’s the best cartridge on earth….NOT!If I can improve the performance of a 25-06 to shoot like a 257 Weatherby Mag factory load or change the load for the 30-06 from a 150 grain bullet for deer to a 130 grain bullet just imagine what research can be done to improve the cartridges already on the market.If I was to introduce another cartridge, I would bring back the 264 Win Mag with a modified barrel to withstand the extra heat generated by this Titan that reduced the barrel life that made it a flop. The 264 Win Mag really walks the dog compared to other Magnum cartridges!

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Dr. Ralph,I adgree finding odd ball ammo is hard to do when you need it most. I am running low on 30-06 Accelorator rounds for my kitty Cat hunting. JUST KIDDING!!! Cat go splat and no need to burry the evidence.

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from Tommy wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I actually have an off topic question for anyone with taxidermy experience reading today. I am tanning another deer hide by the methanol and turpentine method, I know - its a method usually for smaller skins, but I want the hair on and also for the skin to be very soft. It was my last punch of the card this season, and a decent buck. The skin is over 5', from neck to tail, and I got the tail too.My question is - does anyone know if mineral spirits, (thinner) is much different, in this use, than methanol, (wood alcohol thinner)?They are both paint thinners, degreasers in fact, so I would think they would do the same thing?The local hardware guy says ok, but another friend says the mineral spirits may work alot faster. Presently, I am supposed to soak for 7 to 10 days, shaking the solution daily, as the two ingredients different weights will cause them to separate.

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from Tommy wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Alamo,When you find normal; let me know.Dr. Ralph,My brother and I sometimes throw around the skirt thing, or just call each other a sissy. That usually prompts some action.

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from BA wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Nathan, go with the milder 7-08. I bought a .270 when I was 16, all I accomplished was to develop a flinch that kept me from becoming proficient. Keep in mind that you have plenty of time to upgrade to more powerful rifles later on if you like. Be sure to wear hearing protection when you practice or you may start flinching and end up nearly deaf like me. Good Luck. Be Safe. BA

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

True oddball story:Early 1980's. Stumbled into a "Sporting Goods" store (high end) in Dallas to kill some time before an appointment.Noted an absolutely spectacular goodie standing out from the chaff on the used shelf. I was handed a quite hefty, left handed bolt gun with the inscription ".333 G&H Magnum" upon the immaculate bluing.I stated, "That would be an interesting round to see!"Clerk then stated, "I think I have some ammo for it right here!" as he pawed his way through his ammo stock!!!Absolutely beautiful piece! I have never seen either a round or any ballistics on it, and that's been over 20 years ago.Bubba

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

C'mon DEP! It aint the ramp apes sending your ammo to Aukland; that was the dimwit (almost said bimbo) behind the counter checking your luggage in! The ramp apes just bounce check your rifle cases! Twice!But I really want to bring that .22-460 nearlyplasmatica which only takes a 53 grain .224 projectile but launches said bullet at 6600fps from the custom 27.36 inch barrel rifled at 1 in 14.7 inches! I know it can kill everything from field mice to giraffes but now I want to try it on ole Jumbo to really have something to brag about on the Gun Nut blog!Tongue firmly in cheek I am respectfullySA

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from Emmanuel wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

To Shaky and KJ:If Solomon's 1,000 women were like KJ's wife, he'd need 739,000 pairs of shoes to keep them happy. The poor guy would be so busy building closets and funding shoes that he probably wouldn't have time to hunt or shoot at all, much less take time to load up his own wildcats.To Nathan:If you're going to travel a lot with this rifle (i.e., shoot deer in other locales), .270 ammo might be slightly easier to find and/or cheaper, although the price almost totally depends on where you buy your cartridges. Otherwise, I second everyone else's advice that it's best to buy the gun that's easiest to shoot because you'll practice more. That's what counts.

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from Shaky wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Diferent strokes,I guess. If I go to Mont. to a friend's connections with the rancher's dog town, I will pack the neatest little Sako you ever laid eyes on. A wildcat,and 500-1000rnds of ammo. An old 722 with a Douglas premium barrel in 22-250,and another 1000rnds for it. Another wildcat 6mm and 300 or so rnds for it.I will drive my own Ford pu. and I have a check list. The first item loaded is the ammo, all of it. I built these rifles for me to shoot,not to sell, and I wouldn't part with one of them for any price.I haven't hunted big game with a wildcat since Rem. adopted the 25-06,but when I am shooting at varmints,the above mentioned rifles give a satifaction that I wouldn't be able to make you understand, you see, I made them, as far as I know, nobody else has one,or is likely to because evryone wants to be able to sell when mama needs 93 pr of shoes to clutter up the closet with.So, also,has been my experience with selling a gun so I could buy another, or a car because another one was in vogue at the time,for a dozen trades or sales I have been as sorry as some of you have said you are.So for the last 40yr or so yrs I have been a "collector",not a trader. If I wear a barrel out I replace it, same stock,same scope,same caliber,most times,same load,or nearly so.As the wise man wrote in The Song of Soloman, A time for evrything under the sun. He probably would have written and a place to use the well chosen wildcat if he hadn't had 1000 women to try to keep happy. I know I would have.

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from KJ wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

"Eschew the weird and the unnatural. Seek normalcy at all costs."My wife thinks it more than weird that I rise well before dawn, climb a tree in sub-freezing weather, sit there all day hoping to see Bambi or his mother come walking by so I can kill him/her. I think it is weird that she needs 739 pairs of shoes in our closet. Of course, I'm right.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Tommy, every time I leave a putt short I get the Nancy Boy line.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Nathan go for the 7-08. You will be able to practice a lot with no pain. Practice practice practice, and then practice some more. Like RMH says shoot often and straight.As for memorabilia, my best High School buddy had a Mickey Mantle rookie card in mint condition he got back in the 60's. He sold it in 1978 and bought a car. They are now auctioning them off for $165,000. OUCH... I had the Lionel trains when I was a kid. Spent a fortune on them in the 60's and when I moved out my mom threw them away. OUCH...I agree with Dave's assessment on caliber choice if you are a world traveler. I am not and carry my ammo with me in my truck and don't sell guns. Still the 30-06, .270, and 30-30 have proven themselves time and time again. There is a reason for their popularity.

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Or can you - S^3? Shoot, shovel, shut up?

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

On the firearm oddity - I can't remember who made the thing, but my grandpa had a single shot .22 that was supposed to come to me after grandma passed away. It cound't have been worth much, but it had extreme sentimental value to me. Long story short, my cousin pawned it because he needed the money. I'd gladly have bought it from him for twice what he got at the pawn shop. Family, can't pick 'em - can't shoot 'em! :-)

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from lyn wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Nathan,If you would be taking shots at 300yds plus; I'd opt for the .270---anything less, it won't matter.I own both, and can tell you that the .7mm-08 has less recoil--which in my case makes me a better shooter. When taking to the woods I more often than not will grab the .7mm-08. Both are outstanding choices for whitetail. Good hunting.

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Well Gman, I feel better about my "lost treasures" now. No tellin' what your b-ball would be worth in todays collector crazy market.I would lament the 92 as well. Blame that on my lever gun addiction. Had a friend that had a rifle chambered to the rimfire you mention (I believe it was .22 WRF) and a pump chambered to a .25 rimfire; Stevens if I recall. We were kids and shot up his ammo. I'm sure that fodder is collectable as well.Tommy,I have many friends and family (when I claim them) that are centrist Democrats. We frequently have lively discussions on issues ranging from health care to taxes, to the prosecution of the war. We may disagee vehemently (because I'm right!), but I do respect their opinions and understand their frustration. If I appear irritable, attribute it to age and hard knocks. I seriously have never meant to offend, but I don't mind tweaking either. It may be an easy line to cross. As for the "Nancy boy" cracks, it just happens to be my family's favorite method of casting cheerful aspersions. To this day my younger brother and I cut each other no slack. Last Christmas he was with me while I cut fire wood and when I (stupidly) did myself injury and expressed my discomfort, his first question was whether I was having cramps as well. We're probably not "normal".

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from Gman wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Chad and Alamo:When I was a kid, one of my granddad's pals gave me a baseball signed by all the 1920 Brooklyn Dodgers.Yup, sure enough, the day came when I needed a baseball to play with - and I got a couple seasons out of that old plug. And somehow I think the old codgers who signed that thing would've liked that rather than see me horde it to "amass value."I gave away my two oddball guns when I moved to LA: my brother got the Winchester Model 1903 22, which took a proprietary round no longer made; and my uncle got the 32-20 1892 carbine. No regrets. Guns are tools (someday I may own a piece of art but a tool is sufficient for now), and these went to good homes.

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from KJ wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Nathan,They are both excellent, so you can't lose with either. Just shoot a lot.

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from Nathan wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Hey guys,Im 18 and i will be getting my first rifle petty soon just to deer hunt with. Should I go with the 7mm-08 or a 270win?

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from Nathan wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Hey guys,Im 18 and i will be getting my first rifle petty soon just to deer hunt with. Should I go with the 7mm-08 or a 270win?

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from Tommy wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Hey Alamo,Hey, I may have disagreed with you on the healthcare thing, but I must say just about everything I have read that you have posted since - Gold! I am in total agreement. You may call me a dumbocrat, tree-hugging whatever, but I hoard some serious ammo too!And while I am no democrat or republican, my brother and I had some serious battles with those matchbox cars you spoke of, and gi joe stuff and star wars stuff.We started selling the stuff at our parent's yard sales when we hit our early teens. And you are right again - Good God! I cringe every time I see the prices on a Luke Skywalker figure or just the right, mint matchbox. Boys were boys.And about the "right wing nut" thing, I am sure I am not the first one to call you that, but as I stated before, I can take it all back - just like that. I hold no grudges. I learn just as much from those I sometimes vehemently disagree with, and learn to respect them even more than those I tend to agree with. I may be the first to extend that.

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Maybe not weird and unnatural, but how about old and (ostensibly) obsolete?I just cannot bear to part with my .348 Winchester M-71, my .220 Swift M-54, or my .300 Savages M-99s.Besides owning the odd ones makes the case for handloading all the more sensible. And being a "right-wing nut" I can justify hoarding components on the pretense of uncertain future availability.

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from PbHead wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Genlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen; if we who read this blog would "eschew the weird and unnatural" we would not be reading this blog. Variety is the spice of life.

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I know how you fell Chad. Remember the old made in England Matchbox cars? My brother and I decided that spraying then with lighter fluid and setting them ablaze to simulate horrific accidents was a lot more fun than preserving them.Saw a couple at a collector's shop recently marked at $65 and $80.Boys will be boys.

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

No, but I did stage epic galactic battles between my old Crosman 760 and the legion of Star Wars action figures and ships I collected when I was a kid, action figures and ships that now bring enough money on Ebay to make me repeatedly bash my forehead into the nearest fencepost while screaming "YOU IDIOT!" every time I have the misfortune to recall it...I can say, however, that when the original C3-PO action figure is hit just right with a BB going around 500fps it does blow apart just like the scene in "The Empire Strikes Back."Did I mention that I'm an idiot?

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from Charles Benoit wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

The really good thing about having a very common rifle cartridge is that if you start off into the woods and realize you forgot your ammo at home, there's a good bet that another hunter back at camp can spare you 2 or 3 of his cartridges.Regards,Charles

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I think if you add the .243 Win, 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag to Matt's list, you would have the top selling cartridges nationwide.Gotta be a real good reason for that!

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from KJ wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Gee Chad, did you paint mustaches on your beenie babies, too?Just joking.

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

So you're telling me it's a bad idea to be turning an old, 1974-vintage plain-jane 7mm rem mag 700 ADL I've got into a sexy, firebreathing .264 win mag?What else can I do with a magnum action but tart it up into something weird that I don't really need? Where's the fun in that?

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from Matt Mallery wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I have a Marlin lever action chambered for .35 Remington and even in a big metro area it is tough to find ammo for it. 30.06, .270, .308, .30-30, and .22LR are always around from what I have noticed. And there is a reason for this. They work.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

KJRight on! My .30-06 or .308 goes on every trip in at least the backup rifle role.

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from jack wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Like Yogi might have said: If it's fixed, don't break it.

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from KJ wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I truly believe that this is why the short-fat craze will ultimately fade away. The .30-06, .270, .308, .30-30 etc. are like great blue jeans and Tony Bennett - timeless.

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I know what you mean by being and the ends of the Earth and not being able to get the proper ammunition.Last March I went pheasant hunting in central Virginia on a preserve and the local Wal-Mart didn’t have a single box of 12ga shells other than steel T shot. No joke. They had a stack of 375 H&H but no 12ga. The only conclusion I can draw is that there’s more cape buffalo in Virginia during that time of than pheasant.

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from jstreet wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Save your "one of a kind" firearms for trips to the range, local jaunts and showing off to your friends.Hunting arms chambered in standard calibers may mean the difference in hunting and not hunting if something breaks or ammo is lost or forgotten.Jim

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I always thought a .22LR adapter mated to my .45/70 would be kinda cool?JUST KIDDING!!

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from Tommy wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

The way folks are coming after ammo and gun dealers, I would not want to limit any of my firearms to any certain bullet. I can see the delight and coolness of doing so, even how one could serioulsy tweek a gun, but no thanks.

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