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December 19, 2007

Discussion Topic: Should Kids Miss School To Hunt?

By Dave Hurteau & Chad Love

From the Wyoming-Tribune Eagle:

In October, Jeff Garcia took his fifth-grade son on an elk-hunting trip.


The annual trip had been planned well in advance and had been discussed with the child’s teacher. Garcia had made a deal with his son that his grades had to be good, A’s and B’s only, and he had to complete all his school work. . . .



When October rolled around, each of Garcia’s terms had been met, and his son got to go hunting for a week up in the Sierra Madres . . . . But things weren’t as cheery when they returned.

 “When I got back, I had a little surprise from the school district,” Garcia said.



For each day missed, the school district had sent a letter home notifying the parents there had been an unexcused absence.

Be sure to check out the full article, then tell us what you think.

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from Visitor wrote 3 years 25 weeks ago

verry dumb school I leave school for hunting and I don't have any troble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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from mickey wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

you as a parent have the right to teach your kids what they need to know;not some goverment lacky. Hunting and fishing should be taught to every kid in all schools. Hunting and fishing trips with kids is FAMILY time. I would tell the school lackys to piss off.

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from Brucie Boy wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Bubba - I can see your point but you surprise me. This was not the response I would have expected from you for some reason. I am also surprised you lament not getting a better education; from what I've read you seem better educated than you let on. At any rate, I still believe a child would learn more on a hunting trip than he would in a classroom and thus should be cut a break by the school board.

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from Ed Cuneo wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Interesting comments by everyone: responsibility, learning experience, bonding time with a parent, etc. All great points. However, the policy was made for those parents who are not responsible, see no reason to spend time with their children or kids who have no interest in getting an education because it has no value to the people who conceived them.That being said, no one has said that he or she would go to the Board of Education to petition a revision to the policy. As usual, a number of respondents decided to bash education or the school district. That's not going to do anything but make you feel better. If there's a problem with a policy or education it's our fault because we would rather grouse about it then to get involved and do something about it. I was involved in the same situation as a teenager. Both my parents worked in the school system. The district had the same policy and consequences. My parents let it go one time and it meant the world to me. There's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. And then there is abuse of the law. Unfortunately, the bad apples, while numbering a few, stink up the rest of the barrel.

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from Al Schott wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Taking time off can help that youngster focus better on what is important in life. Testing in schools has "dim"minished a lot of good programs. Ask them what shop courses they are taking and you get a blank stare back - no real life skills are taught these days.Scrub the "No Child Left Behind" junk and let the kids learn.

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from Bubba wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Matt Stumpf makes a very valid, albeit, unpopular point.I hunted some with a fellow at one point in my life that found education in general laughable! He was the sort that would tell you, "I'm gonna go kill a deer!", and within an hour or two would return with one, or two. Limits to him were just another meaningless number.To spend any time around him, you think he's a standup kinda guy. Get him around his family and it adds a whole new meaning to the term, "dysfunctional".Would education have helped him? Probably not! But he would have been an excellent pro-education poster child!Jeff Foxworthy says a Redneck is: "The glorious absence of sophistication!" For this guy, it should be, "The glorious, oblivious disdain of education AND sophistication!"Keep 'em in school. Between "Fall break", "T'giving break" and "Christmas break", they should have plenty (maybe not enough for them!) of hunting time. I know I did!Sure they might miss a big buck. But with an education, they will be employable to the point of affording their own "chartered" hunting trip!BubbaP.S. Wish I'd gotten a better education myself!

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from ricefarm wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Last year my son was playing basketball and I managed to take him deer hunting most of one weekend without having to miss school or basketball. (REALLY BAD WEATHER ACTUALLY WORKED IN OUR FAVOR) This year he decided NOT to play basketball in order to have more time to hunt. I let him miss one day of school, a couple of others we went out right after school. I let him decide which was more important to him, playing a school sport or hunting. As far as the school deciding, he is my child, not theirs. Other kids miss school for vacations, kids leave school early for school sports all the time. We as parents shouldn't give up our right to raise our kids the way WE think is best, and I can tell you more and more school administrators and teachers don't like parents that think that way. Ask anyone with a kid who has the cajones to go to school and argue against the global warming histeria.

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from Morgan wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

I think there is no issue. At least this kid has one of the few dads like I am lucky to have, one who cares about school. The kid had to have good marks, and arrangements for work were made. If this kid had A's and B's, it tells me something: He was responsible and can handle catching up. I do this all of the time. Teachers do not care, as long as you are responsible.Kudos to the father. He is one of the good ones around.

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from SilverArrow wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

While Matt's defense of the status quo is utterly assinine he does make one very good point; let's look at the politicians who force these compliance oriented regulations on us! Get a clear message to Foggy Bottom (Washington DC) and every state capital in the land that we the People reject forced compliance and absolutely reject the notion that parents are not qualified to teach their own children! Schools are doing an awful job of truly preparing students for productive adult lives!SA

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from Visitor wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Matt;To be short, sweet and to the point......SCREW the STATE funded idiocy......I am a parent of 3 skrewel age kids....public skrewels SUCK...and for the state to even THINK they have ANY say in the hows, whys and wherefores to the raising MY kids simply PROVES how UNfree we are in this nation!!What was it i heard when i attempted to take my eldest out for a week in deer camp!?!? I heard and i quote "Well sir, We find that parents are NOT qualified to teach their children." PROVING that the state run "education system" are little more than Gulags! Training up perfect little red commies trained to march to any beat of the drum the state demands, whilst stamping out ANY bit of free thought.I learned more about math in my career WELDING than i EVER did in that damn skrewel!!Take a kid hunting and give them a true EDUCATION!

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from William wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

What's more important- getting a test question right or actually learning something that can be practically applied in life. I can' remember the last time when applying for a job or sitting in for a review before a promotion when I was asked about grades or education. I can remember plenty of times in these circumstances being asked questions about leadership, obtaining goals, and overcoming adversity not to mention team work. Just about any hunt I've ever been on has provided me with experience and examples to answer these questions. To be honest hunting gives more tools to success than a lousy week of missed public schooling.

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from Matt Stumpf wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

If a kid misses school, for whatever the reason, they are absent. That means not there. If they are not there, they are not learning what the state requires of them to learn. It doesn't matter if it is hunting, fishing, karate or Disney world. Get off the schools backs and talk to the people you elected to put more unreasonable demands on an already overworked and underpaid group of people. If you are a welder, you can arrange to have whatever time off you need, but if it is a critical time, you probably aren't going to get it. It's the same with school. We have basically 180 days to teach these kids what they need to know to pass these stupid tests. Every day they aren't there is basically a test question missed. You be the adult and arrange your schedule around your child. You know the rules. Be an example, and if this involves hunting close to home on weekends, instead of taking him on a chartered mule deer hunt to Colorado, you have taught him a valuable lesson. Responsibilty sucks, but it's a part of growing up.

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from GunSlinger wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I think even if a kids grades are bad take them hunting. It will boost their confidence and help them do better in school. And if your kid has a absence on his/her report card screw it, they will learn a lot more out hunting with you and build a greater respect for life then they ever will in class.

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from Mc. Squizzy wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Kids should be able to leave their school for a trip like that whenever the hell they want! Fishing and hunting trips encourage kids to get good grades and to get out to the wilderness. When they get out to the wilderness they realise why it's important to clean up for yourself and recycle. Being in the wilderness improoves your overall personal being. Kids especially should be able to leave school for a trip of that greatness. That's how you pervent stupidity. (referring to the boy who got shot geese hunting)

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from GREG wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Preach it S.B. learned more about life and death in the woods than I ever learned in school. Makes me wonder if that doesnt have something to do with some of the kids today? i.e. video games etc.

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from suburban bushwacker wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

The only break in my education was the time i spent in school

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from Mike wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

There is more to learning than sitting behind a desk reading from a book....education is more than letters and numbers.What foolishness to punish a parent for taking a child to the woods for some quality time together. Many are the lessons to be learned in hunting camp. GOOD lessons a lad can take with him and use the rest of his life.What PURE STUPIDITY it is to punish a child for taking the carrot (going hunting) and working his arse off to get it. (getting A's and B's) I guess the lesson the skrewel is trying to teach here is to NOT work hard to get what you want, eh?!?!I guess thats a good lesson......considering in our society today the lazy couch bound scum get the rewards, whilst the hard working honest folk get the shaft

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from William wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

This just leads me to believe further that the school thinks that the only learning in life is done in a classroom. In real life learning is not confined to class and extends well beyond any formal classroom schooling. I can't think of a better learning experience than going hunting and spending quality time with a child doing something that is loved by child and parent. Those memories will carry farther than a couple days of public schooling

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from NDMan wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

My son's school takes a day off for deer season. I say that it should be excused for hunting. Its time with your family. P.S. Right on mike!

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from mike wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

when i was a child if we had school on opening day that was just tough sh@#t for the school board. we always packed the truck and went to camp reguardless of what the school thought.When my children are of age i will do the same thing and if the school doesn't like it i will home school them. People we need to take our rights back from these assholes

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from Tim wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I missed a couple of days this year on the first days of deer season to go out with my brother, all I got was a phone call from my school asking my parents if they knew I wasn't in school.

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from Ryan Stokes (School Teacher) wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Like most situations involving children and situations like this, special consideration is needed. Does the child deserve to go? How are their grades in school? Is hunting a reward for some action? Is it a once in a lifetime opportunity? Etc.I missed days growing up, but only due to good behavior & grades. I will reward my children with the same and excuse any student who acts accordingly.

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from Brucie Boy wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

That kid probably learned more about nature (and life in general) on that week long elk hunt with his dad than he ever would have learned in a year of junior high. Of course most of what he learned would never be found acceptable by our fine government schools.

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from dan wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

My son who is "just" seven years old, and we live in Ohio, has gone hunting with me(as an observer and a pretty damn good scout!).We sit in the blind and talk about school, his teachers, and various topics as they pertain to school and family, to me this is a one-on-one teacher/student conference that we could not do at home. There are things in the woods that are taught at school that honestly you cannot learn until you see or experience them first hand(ie; "why does a doe flag her tail and keep looking behind her?"-Are there a flock of turkeys on the forest floor when a huge group of crows directly above them are carrying on as only crows do?-P.S. there are!!" etc...)This can only be learned first hand. Now everytime my children see a bunch of crows overhead,they immediately look to the ground below them(I think that's cool!!IMO)Back to the point, I think it's OK to take your child out of school to learn a new idea(he should get credit for it too)

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from Blast&Cast wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

It got to the point where so many kids were gone on opening day of deer season in North Dakota schools that it is now just a day off most years.When I was in school we even had a simple form to get signed by a parent stating that we were going to be gone for hunting. There was no backlash, no holding the parents responsible, no cheating. Those who remained in school got to watch movies, play games or read a book.Simpler, better times.

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from Adam wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I'm a junior in Michigan, we are allowed 7 absences per trimester as long as they are legit excuses, not just skipping. We are allowed to fill out a pre-areranged absence were we get signed permission form taechers and all of our work, we then meet with the principle who oks or denies the trip. However, if you miss more than seven days 20% grade reduction.

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from GREG wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Good point Brent. Several of my friend in high took off when crops where coming in. It didnt make a damn what the school thought there was work to be done. For the record the school didnt make to much about that or takin off for hunting. Matter of fact I hunted on the Vice Principal's property on a school day and he knew it.

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from Brent wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I live and hunt in wyoming. Growing up if my grades were good I was pulled out to go hunting. My mom never lied to the school but she would just tell them I would be gone for a couple days.It used to be that kids got out for time to harvest the crops or move the cattle why not to hunt for food too.Brent

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from Cole wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

My school doesn't get any time off for hunting season, but I think we should. I think that hunting is a good time to get out and get involved with nature. I think that it helps you bond with whoever takes you hunting. In Indiana there are some big deer but there are becoming fewer places to hunt. The first week of the season my uncle shot a tall racked main framed eight pointer with unbelievable mass and a bunch of sticker points. He probably scored in the high 160's.

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from Bubba wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I really don't think taking your kids out of school just to go hunting is really legit.Did I ever take my kids out of school to go hunting? Yep!Both my kids worked in the office as seniors in HS. Both had it explained to them the "butts in seats....." thing.My kids never missed more than 1 day of school. My oldest had an opportunity to attend a function, not school related that required missing 4 days. When the principle was informed, HE scheduled make up work with appropriate teachers and OK'd the whole she-bang! Guess you need folks that can think instead of be sphincter muscles!Bubba

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from RJ Arena wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I think parents should take their kids out of school to hunt and to fish, and to do special things with them. back when I was a kid it wasn't called bonding, it was called spending time with dad, and it was the best. there was no other way to pass on traditions like hunting or fishing. Merry Christmas.

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from Scrap5000 wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

This P.C. bullcrap world needs a good, swift kick in the kiester. The kid was doing well, the father let the teacher know, what the hell is the problem? Red tape beaurocratic bull crap is the problem! And I thought stupidity was only to be found in the liberals of my hometown of NYC...this disease has affected WYOMING, TOO??!!! Sad. Oh so very sad. Shame on the administrators of that school!

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from Gman wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

This thing stinks all over of "butts in seats get the money."But - the policy did say that a death in the family was legit. So next year, they should just "adopt" an elk. Oops, the elk died(nowhere does it say you have to say the elk died from an '06). Voila! A "death in the family."Sounds to me like the Dad had his stuff straight; there's a hell of a lot more to learning than No Child Left Behind, damn GOP. How about teaching astronomy through the stars outside, meteorology from cloud type and wind, angles and navigation with a map and compass, biology through tracks, reading through some classic hunting stories...I could go on and on.My little guy is still too young, but you can bet your ass he's taking opening day of deer season and trout season off starting the day he's legal for both. End of story.

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from Brian wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

It should be fine to take a few days off from school to go hunting. I am a grad student at Nebraska and I have taken several days off school to go hunting throughout my academic career. I worked 14+ hour days trying to get ahead in my coursework the week preceeding deer season this year and was rewarded by being able to go home where I harvested a trophy buck. If the student works hard all year and has good grades they should be rewarded by being excused to go hunting. As long as they do not abuse the privelage there should be no problems.

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from colin wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

i in high school in wisconsin and we used to get hunting season off casue it was the week of thanksgiving now they makes us go the monday and tuesday but always skip and the school is fine with it. there are at least 150 or more kids out of 600 that are gone for hunting.

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from Phillip wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Makes no sense to me. It's one thing if the kids are out and parents are not involved, but as a parent it's MY choice if my kid attends or doesn't attend.The father met with the teacher, made appropriate arrangements, and essentially did everything right. There's no rational reason for the school district to react as it did.There is a reason, however. Someone else pegged it. Funding is based on butts in seats... not on logic or reason. If they don't meet a certain average, then funding is threatened. That, by the way, is NOT the doing of the school board, but of the Federal Goobermint.

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from KM wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Other schools in this area do get time off to hunt. But my school doesnt, but i think that they should. As a student i wouldnt have to beg my parents to get me out of school to hunt.

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from michael crandall wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I have this problem every October, November, and December. Every year me and my stepdad head up to Georgia to hunt the first week of the season, some time around Thanksgiving, and some time around Crhistmas. I always get in trouble in school about. I believe all schools should give some vacation time for students to allow us to hunt.

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from Josh wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

my school counts hunting trips under unexcused absences, but vacations are excused. and southern ohio gets opening season off of school but by lake erie we dont get squat

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from jack wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

hunter61Any thoughts on how unexcused absences affect school funding? As I understand it in Ohio, one of the variables used in calculating the state funding of local school districts is attendance. Is it an automatic assumption that an unexcused absence results in decreased funding?If so, then those who declared: "follow the money" on this story may be correct.

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from hunter61 wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I am a principal at an elementary school. I am an avid hunter and pull my kids out of school all of the time. Hunting is a family event and I would never allow anyone to discourage me or my children from participating.I tell parents that ask me the same thing. I do it, so just let the teacher know and the office know and everything will be ok. Any competent person will underastand the importance of spending time with children.

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from GREG wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Sounds like every one agrees on this one. although I do not condone lying I would call in sick to keep my son or myself from having to pay the ridiculous consequences. Providing he has good grades the work can or already is made up.

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from SilverArrow wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Somehow I bet that if the parents had taken Junior to DisneyWorld the school would have considered the trip 'Education Related' and not made a fuss!SA

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Another reason added to the list of reasons why I suspect most people with any sort of administrative power are nucking futs.

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from jack wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Yes - if it's a family outing. And the kid is performing to certain academic and behavior standards.No - if it's a couple of kids playing hooky.Of all places - Wyoming! Seems absurd to not have a hunting exemption for school kids. I suspect too many urbanites are invading the formerly wild west.I remember 8th grade - a lot of empty seats on opening day. Nobody died, everyone graduated, the school still functioned and the earth continued spinning on its axis.(Man - do I have a lot of work to do. Back to the rock pile.)

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from Tom wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

if the kids grades are good and they can make up their work then i say screw the school district rules. take a kid hunting.

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from jstreet wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

And no I don't condone it, but it's hard when you teach your kid that being nice and following the rules is what you should do and then watch people who cheat and lie and screw people over get ahead and become wealthy and/or famous while nice guys get kicked in the nads.Jim

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from jstreet wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

My kid's school is the same way.School dismisses @ 3:10. If I pull my child out anytime before that time, he or she will be marked as tardy on their attendance record.I talked with the principal about it and he told me the police about absences and tardies was put in place to make parents quit taking their kids on vacations and missing days of school or picking their kids up early and disrupting classes without consequences. That and schools won't receive their full amount of federal and state monies if children are absent too often.So what does a parent do? If you want to take your kid on a vacation or hunt, I guess you have to lie and call in everyday and tell the school your kid is sick.And before everyone jumps all over me, look @ the realities of life. In the realm of money, business and sports, cheaters win.It's all about the money.Period.

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from johnl wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Sounds to me like a very responsible parent (and son) and the foolishness that is so prevalent in "public education". Bet that's where the School Board Members learned their lack of morals and common sense. Encouraging "lying" just to get by??? Sounds rather Clintonesque.JL

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from rocketman121 wrote 2 years 38 weeks ago

At this point, homeschooling sounds very appealing... I enjoy the freedom of being able to hunt more often. As long as I fulfill my school requirements, and fill the freezer, my main teacher is fine with me hunting

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from Visitor wrote 3 years 25 weeks ago

verry dumb school I leave school for hunting and I don't have any troble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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from mickey wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

you as a parent have the right to teach your kids what they need to know;not some goverment lacky. Hunting and fishing should be taught to every kid in all schools. Hunting and fishing trips with kids is FAMILY time. I would tell the school lackys to piss off.

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from Brucie Boy wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Bubba - I can see your point but you surprise me. This was not the response I would have expected from you for some reason. I am also surprised you lament not getting a better education; from what I've read you seem better educated than you let on. At any rate, I still believe a child would learn more on a hunting trip than he would in a classroom and thus should be cut a break by the school board.

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from Ed Cuneo wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Interesting comments by everyone: responsibility, learning experience, bonding time with a parent, etc. All great points. However, the policy was made for those parents who are not responsible, see no reason to spend time with their children or kids who have no interest in getting an education because it has no value to the people who conceived them.That being said, no one has said that he or she would go to the Board of Education to petition a revision to the policy. As usual, a number of respondents decided to bash education or the school district. That's not going to do anything but make you feel better. If there's a problem with a policy or education it's our fault because we would rather grouse about it then to get involved and do something about it. I was involved in the same situation as a teenager. Both my parents worked in the school system. The district had the same policy and consequences. My parents let it go one time and it meant the world to me. There's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. And then there is abuse of the law. Unfortunately, the bad apples, while numbering a few, stink up the rest of the barrel.

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from Al Schott wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Taking time off can help that youngster focus better on what is important in life. Testing in schools has "dim"minished a lot of good programs. Ask them what shop courses they are taking and you get a blank stare back - no real life skills are taught these days.Scrub the "No Child Left Behind" junk and let the kids learn.

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from Bubba wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Matt Stumpf makes a very valid, albeit, unpopular point.I hunted some with a fellow at one point in my life that found education in general laughable! He was the sort that would tell you, "I'm gonna go kill a deer!", and within an hour or two would return with one, or two. Limits to him were just another meaningless number.To spend any time around him, you think he's a standup kinda guy. Get him around his family and it adds a whole new meaning to the term, "dysfunctional".Would education have helped him? Probably not! But he would have been an excellent pro-education poster child!Jeff Foxworthy says a Redneck is: "The glorious absence of sophistication!" For this guy, it should be, "The glorious, oblivious disdain of education AND sophistication!"Keep 'em in school. Between "Fall break", "T'giving break" and "Christmas break", they should have plenty (maybe not enough for them!) of hunting time. I know I did!Sure they might miss a big buck. But with an education, they will be employable to the point of affording their own "chartered" hunting trip!BubbaP.S. Wish I'd gotten a better education myself!

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from ricefarm wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Last year my son was playing basketball and I managed to take him deer hunting most of one weekend without having to miss school or basketball. (REALLY BAD WEATHER ACTUALLY WORKED IN OUR FAVOR) This year he decided NOT to play basketball in order to have more time to hunt. I let him miss one day of school, a couple of others we went out right after school. I let him decide which was more important to him, playing a school sport or hunting. As far as the school deciding, he is my child, not theirs. Other kids miss school for vacations, kids leave school early for school sports all the time. We as parents shouldn't give up our right to raise our kids the way WE think is best, and I can tell you more and more school administrators and teachers don't like parents that think that way. Ask anyone with a kid who has the cajones to go to school and argue against the global warming histeria.

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from Morgan wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

I think there is no issue. At least this kid has one of the few dads like I am lucky to have, one who cares about school. The kid had to have good marks, and arrangements for work were made. If this kid had A's and B's, it tells me something: He was responsible and can handle catching up. I do this all of the time. Teachers do not care, as long as you are responsible.Kudos to the father. He is one of the good ones around.

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from SilverArrow wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

While Matt's defense of the status quo is utterly assinine he does make one very good point; let's look at the politicians who force these compliance oriented regulations on us! Get a clear message to Foggy Bottom (Washington DC) and every state capital in the land that we the People reject forced compliance and absolutely reject the notion that parents are not qualified to teach their own children! Schools are doing an awful job of truly preparing students for productive adult lives!SA

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from Visitor wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Matt;To be short, sweet and to the point......SCREW the STATE funded idiocy......I am a parent of 3 skrewel age kids....public skrewels SUCK...and for the state to even THINK they have ANY say in the hows, whys and wherefores to the raising MY kids simply PROVES how UNfree we are in this nation!!What was it i heard when i attempted to take my eldest out for a week in deer camp!?!? I heard and i quote "Well sir, We find that parents are NOT qualified to teach their children." PROVING that the state run "education system" are little more than Gulags! Training up perfect little red commies trained to march to any beat of the drum the state demands, whilst stamping out ANY bit of free thought.I learned more about math in my career WELDING than i EVER did in that damn skrewel!!Take a kid hunting and give them a true EDUCATION!

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from William wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

What's more important- getting a test question right or actually learning something that can be practically applied in life. I can' remember the last time when applying for a job or sitting in for a review before a promotion when I was asked about grades or education. I can remember plenty of times in these circumstances being asked questions about leadership, obtaining goals, and overcoming adversity not to mention team work. Just about any hunt I've ever been on has provided me with experience and examples to answer these questions. To be honest hunting gives more tools to success than a lousy week of missed public schooling.

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from Matt Stumpf wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

If a kid misses school, for whatever the reason, they are absent. That means not there. If they are not there, they are not learning what the state requires of them to learn. It doesn't matter if it is hunting, fishing, karate or Disney world. Get off the schools backs and talk to the people you elected to put more unreasonable demands on an already overworked and underpaid group of people. If you are a welder, you can arrange to have whatever time off you need, but if it is a critical time, you probably aren't going to get it. It's the same with school. We have basically 180 days to teach these kids what they need to know to pass these stupid tests. Every day they aren't there is basically a test question missed. You be the adult and arrange your schedule around your child. You know the rules. Be an example, and if this involves hunting close to home on weekends, instead of taking him on a chartered mule deer hunt to Colorado, you have taught him a valuable lesson. Responsibilty sucks, but it's a part of growing up.

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from GunSlinger wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I think even if a kids grades are bad take them hunting. It will boost their confidence and help them do better in school. And if your kid has a absence on his/her report card screw it, they will learn a lot more out hunting with you and build a greater respect for life then they ever will in class.

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from Mc. Squizzy wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Kids should be able to leave their school for a trip like that whenever the hell they want! Fishing and hunting trips encourage kids to get good grades and to get out to the wilderness. When they get out to the wilderness they realise why it's important to clean up for yourself and recycle. Being in the wilderness improoves your overall personal being. Kids especially should be able to leave school for a trip of that greatness. That's how you pervent stupidity. (referring to the boy who got shot geese hunting)

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from GREG wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Preach it S.B. learned more about life and death in the woods than I ever learned in school. Makes me wonder if that doesnt have something to do with some of the kids today? i.e. video games etc.

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from suburban bushwacker wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

The only break in my education was the time i spent in school

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from Mike wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

There is more to learning than sitting behind a desk reading from a book....education is more than letters and numbers.What foolishness to punish a parent for taking a child to the woods for some quality time together. Many are the lessons to be learned in hunting camp. GOOD lessons a lad can take with him and use the rest of his life.What PURE STUPIDITY it is to punish a child for taking the carrot (going hunting) and working his arse off to get it. (getting A's and B's) I guess the lesson the skrewel is trying to teach here is to NOT work hard to get what you want, eh?!?!I guess thats a good lesson......considering in our society today the lazy couch bound scum get the rewards, whilst the hard working honest folk get the shaft

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from William wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

This just leads me to believe further that the school thinks that the only learning in life is done in a classroom. In real life learning is not confined to class and extends well beyond any formal classroom schooling. I can't think of a better learning experience than going hunting and spending quality time with a child doing something that is loved by child and parent. Those memories will carry farther than a couple days of public schooling

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from NDMan wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

My son's school takes a day off for deer season. I say that it should be excused for hunting. Its time with your family. P.S. Right on mike!

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from mike wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

when i was a child if we had school on opening day that was just tough sh@#t for the school board. we always packed the truck and went to camp reguardless of what the school thought.When my children are of age i will do the same thing and if the school doesn't like it i will home school them. People we need to take our rights back from these assholes

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from Tim wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I missed a couple of days this year on the first days of deer season to go out with my brother, all I got was a phone call from my school asking my parents if they knew I wasn't in school.

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from Ryan Stokes (School Teacher) wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Like most situations involving children and situations like this, special consideration is needed. Does the child deserve to go? How are their grades in school? Is hunting a reward for some action? Is it a once in a lifetime opportunity? Etc.I missed days growing up, but only due to good behavior & grades. I will reward my children with the same and excuse any student who acts accordingly.

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from Brucie Boy wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

That kid probably learned more about nature (and life in general) on that week long elk hunt with his dad than he ever would have learned in a year of junior high. Of course most of what he learned would never be found acceptable by our fine government schools.

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from dan wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

My son who is "just" seven years old, and we live in Ohio, has gone hunting with me(as an observer and a pretty damn good scout!).We sit in the blind and talk about school, his teachers, and various topics as they pertain to school and family, to me this is a one-on-one teacher/student conference that we could not do at home. There are things in the woods that are taught at school that honestly you cannot learn until you see or experience them first hand(ie; "why does a doe flag her tail and keep looking behind her?"-Are there a flock of turkeys on the forest floor when a huge group of crows directly above them are carrying on as only crows do?-P.S. there are!!" etc...)This can only be learned first hand. Now everytime my children see a bunch of crows overhead,they immediately look to the ground below them(I think that's cool!!IMO)Back to the point, I think it's OK to take your child out of school to learn a new idea(he should get credit for it too)

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from Blast&Cast wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

It got to the point where so many kids were gone on opening day of deer season in North Dakota schools that it is now just a day off most years.When I was in school we even had a simple form to get signed by a parent stating that we were going to be gone for hunting. There was no backlash, no holding the parents responsible, no cheating. Those who remained in school got to watch movies, play games or read a book.Simpler, better times.

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from Adam wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I'm a junior in Michigan, we are allowed 7 absences per trimester as long as they are legit excuses, not just skipping. We are allowed to fill out a pre-areranged absence were we get signed permission form taechers and all of our work, we then meet with the principle who oks or denies the trip. However, if you miss more than seven days 20% grade reduction.

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from GREG wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Good point Brent. Several of my friend in high took off when crops where coming in. It didnt make a damn what the school thought there was work to be done. For the record the school didnt make to much about that or takin off for hunting. Matter of fact I hunted on the Vice Principal's property on a school day and he knew it.

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from Brent wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I live and hunt in wyoming. Growing up if my grades were good I was pulled out to go hunting. My mom never lied to the school but she would just tell them I would be gone for a couple days.It used to be that kids got out for time to harvest the crops or move the cattle why not to hunt for food too.Brent

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from Cole wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

My school doesn't get any time off for hunting season, but I think we should. I think that hunting is a good time to get out and get involved with nature. I think that it helps you bond with whoever takes you hunting. In Indiana there are some big deer but there are becoming fewer places to hunt. The first week of the season my uncle shot a tall racked main framed eight pointer with unbelievable mass and a bunch of sticker points. He probably scored in the high 160's.

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from Bubba wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I really don't think taking your kids out of school just to go hunting is really legit.Did I ever take my kids out of school to go hunting? Yep!Both my kids worked in the office as seniors in HS. Both had it explained to them the "butts in seats....." thing.My kids never missed more than 1 day of school. My oldest had an opportunity to attend a function, not school related that required missing 4 days. When the principle was informed, HE scheduled make up work with appropriate teachers and OK'd the whole she-bang! Guess you need folks that can think instead of be sphincter muscles!Bubba

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from RJ Arena wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I think parents should take their kids out of school to hunt and to fish, and to do special things with them. back when I was a kid it wasn't called bonding, it was called spending time with dad, and it was the best. there was no other way to pass on traditions like hunting or fishing. Merry Christmas.

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from Scrap5000 wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

This P.C. bullcrap world needs a good, swift kick in the kiester. The kid was doing well, the father let the teacher know, what the hell is the problem? Red tape beaurocratic bull crap is the problem! And I thought stupidity was only to be found in the liberals of my hometown of NYC...this disease has affected WYOMING, TOO??!!! Sad. Oh so very sad. Shame on the administrators of that school!

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from Gman wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

This thing stinks all over of "butts in seats get the money."But - the policy did say that a death in the family was legit. So next year, they should just "adopt" an elk. Oops, the elk died(nowhere does it say you have to say the elk died from an '06). Voila! A "death in the family."Sounds to me like the Dad had his stuff straight; there's a hell of a lot more to learning than No Child Left Behind, damn GOP. How about teaching astronomy through the stars outside, meteorology from cloud type and wind, angles and navigation with a map and compass, biology through tracks, reading through some classic hunting stories...I could go on and on.My little guy is still too young, but you can bet your ass he's taking opening day of deer season and trout season off starting the day he's legal for both. End of story.

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from Brian wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

It should be fine to take a few days off from school to go hunting. I am a grad student at Nebraska and I have taken several days off school to go hunting throughout my academic career. I worked 14+ hour days trying to get ahead in my coursework the week preceeding deer season this year and was rewarded by being able to go home where I harvested a trophy buck. If the student works hard all year and has good grades they should be rewarded by being excused to go hunting. As long as they do not abuse the privelage there should be no problems.

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from colin wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

i in high school in wisconsin and we used to get hunting season off casue it was the week of thanksgiving now they makes us go the monday and tuesday but always skip and the school is fine with it. there are at least 150 or more kids out of 600 that are gone for hunting.

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from Phillip wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Makes no sense to me. It's one thing if the kids are out and parents are not involved, but as a parent it's MY choice if my kid attends or doesn't attend.The father met with the teacher, made appropriate arrangements, and essentially did everything right. There's no rational reason for the school district to react as it did.There is a reason, however. Someone else pegged it. Funding is based on butts in seats... not on logic or reason. If they don't meet a certain average, then funding is threatened. That, by the way, is NOT the doing of the school board, but of the Federal Goobermint.

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from KM wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Other schools in this area do get time off to hunt. But my school doesnt, but i think that they should. As a student i wouldnt have to beg my parents to get me out of school to hunt.

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from michael crandall wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I have this problem every October, November, and December. Every year me and my stepdad head up to Georgia to hunt the first week of the season, some time around Thanksgiving, and some time around Crhistmas. I always get in trouble in school about. I believe all schools should give some vacation time for students to allow us to hunt.

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from Josh wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

my school counts hunting trips under unexcused absences, but vacations are excused. and southern ohio gets opening season off of school but by lake erie we dont get squat

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from jack wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

hunter61Any thoughts on how unexcused absences affect school funding? As I understand it in Ohio, one of the variables used in calculating the state funding of local school districts is attendance. Is it an automatic assumption that an unexcused absence results in decreased funding?If so, then those who declared: "follow the money" on this story may be correct.

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from hunter61 wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

I am a principal at an elementary school. I am an avid hunter and pull my kids out of school all of the time. Hunting is a family event and I would never allow anyone to discourage me or my children from participating.I tell parents that ask me the same thing. I do it, so just let the teacher know and the office know and everything will be ok. Any competent person will underastand the importance of spending time with children.

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from GREG wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Sounds like every one agrees on this one. although I do not condone lying I would call in sick to keep my son or myself from having to pay the ridiculous consequences. Providing he has good grades the work can or already is made up.

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from SilverArrow wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Somehow I bet that if the parents had taken Junior to DisneyWorld the school would have considered the trip 'Education Related' and not made a fuss!SA

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Another reason added to the list of reasons why I suspect most people with any sort of administrative power are nucking futs.

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from jack wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Yes - if it's a family outing. And the kid is performing to certain academic and behavior standards.No - if it's a couple of kids playing hooky.Of all places - Wyoming! Seems absurd to not have a hunting exemption for school kids. I suspect too many urbanites are invading the formerly wild west.I remember 8th grade - a lot of empty seats on opening day. Nobody died, everyone graduated, the school still functioned and the earth continued spinning on its axis.(Man - do I have a lot of work to do. Back to the rock pile.)

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from Tom wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

if the kids grades are good and they can make up their work then i say screw the school district rules. take a kid hunting.

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from jstreet wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

And no I don't condone it, but it's hard when you teach your kid that being nice and following the rules is what you should do and then watch people who cheat and lie and screw people over get ahead and become wealthy and/or famous while nice guys get kicked in the nads.Jim

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from jstreet wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

My kid's school is the same way.School dismisses @ 3:10. If I pull my child out anytime before that time, he or she will be marked as tardy on their attendance record.I talked with the principal about it and he told me the police about absences and tardies was put in place to make parents quit taking their kids on vacations and missing days of school or picking their kids up early and disrupting classes without consequences. That and schools won't receive their full amount of federal and state monies if children are absent too often.So what does a parent do? If you want to take your kid on a vacation or hunt, I guess you have to lie and call in everyday and tell the school your kid is sick.And before everyone jumps all over me, look @ the realities of life. In the realm of money, business and sports, cheaters win.It's all about the money.Period.

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from johnl wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Sounds to me like a very responsible parent (and son) and the foolishness that is so prevalent in "public education". Bet that's where the School Board Members learned their lack of morals and common sense. Encouraging "lying" just to get by??? Sounds rather Clintonesque.JL

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from rocketman121 wrote 2 years 38 weeks ago

At this point, homeschooling sounds very appealing... I enjoy the freedom of being able to hunt more often. As long as I fulfill my school requirements, and fill the freezer, my main teacher is fine with me hunting

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