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April 16, 2007

Latest News Media Claim: U.S. Presidents Who Hunt Start Wars

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

I was watching “Real Time with Bill Maher” the other night and was struck by one of his “New Rules” rules. He ranted about Governor Mitt Romney’s pretending to be a hunter, and then said words to the effect that if we had fewer presidents who hunted, we would get in fewer wars, due to the alleged connection between “cruelty” to animals and cruelty to people.

This intrigued me, so I went back and looked at the record, starting with our first modern conflict, the Civil War (I have counted only real wars, not casual bloodlettings like Ronald Reagan’s debacle in Beirut, or Bubba’s excellent adventure in Somalia):

Civil War, entered into by Abraham Lincoln, a non-hunter.

Spanish-American War, entered into by William McKinley, a non-hunter.

World War I, entered into by Woodrow Wilson, a non-hunter.

World War II, entered into by Franklin D. Roosevelt, a non-hunter.

Korean War, entered into by Harry S. Truman, a non-hunter.

Vietnam, entered into by John F. Kennedy, a non-hunter. Presided over by Lyndon Baines Johnson, who shot deer from his convertible and picked up his beagles by their ears. Presided over by Richard M. Nixon, a non-hunter.

Desert Storm, entered into by George Bush, a hunter.

Iraq/Afghanistan, entered into by George W. Bush. I can’t find any real evidence that W. is a hunter; however, one website claimed that, as a boy, he enjoyed stuffing firecrackers in frogs, so I guess that counts for something. One the other hand, Vice President Cheney is a hunter for sure, and may actually be president, so we have to factor that in.

And so, out of eight wars, only three had hunting presidents involved. Out of ten (or 11) presidents, only four had even the most tenuous connection to making the bunnies sweat.

But I like Bill Maher. He is always angry, and sometimes funny, and frequently has interesting guests.

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from IrishmanW.S. wrote 6 years 6 weeks ago

It's nice to hear that themilitary has a ray gun that work's?why not mount one on the front of any vehical, and on the lead veh.to search and destroy,? for roadside bombs or what ever.

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from IrishmanW.S. wrote 6 years 6 weeks ago

It's nice to hear that themilitary has a ray gun that work's?why not mount one on the front of any vehical, and on the lead veh.to search and destroy,?

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from Bill (Not Maher) wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I'm willing to bet that Bill Maher and others like him never served a single day in the military. If they had, it may have allowed them to view things in a different light.I can't stand Bill Maher.

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from austin wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

what is with all of the gun haters on this blog, i think they are probes from anti gun orginisation, if you like guns go to http://t-o-s-c.weebly.com it is pro gun and has info on guns, the second amendment forever

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from Black Rifle addict wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

Hey peoples-Lighten up on the God fearing bloggers here. I have faith, and try to practice what I preach each day. Am I perfect? Not at all, but at least we have insight to what others are saying here. It's the quiet ones we need to be concerned about.

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from tsavo303 wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

Look you Godless heathens, true Mormons “believe in their hearts” that God provides personal revelations. 80% of Mormons vote Republican BECAUSE Jesus directly tells them too! The other 20% aren’t true Mormons and THOSE are the ones on the “black-list”. Question the party? Question Jesus!! It’s pretty simple.

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from sam wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

is destry for real. how is it possible that people can be considered sane that have his view points?

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from Been there-Done that wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

Presidents going to war; Our present "President" is no HUNTER, but our "VP was"? So suppose out modern day President went to war with no knowledge of hunting or what the end results could be. Do believe a hunters safety course is in order.Now lets see, is a single bbl shotgun or single shot 22 cal rim fire his best choice, 0' I just recall, a sling shot would be better for a beginner.

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

If you menat that ironically...bravo!If you really meant that, you are one seriously effed-up person.

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from Destry wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

It Was A Spiritual WarningThe gunning down of 32 teachers and students at Virginia Tech was a spiritual warning for America. It was instigated by an entity that possessed the body of Cho Seung-Hu. The act of bloodshed was filled with symbolic information for subconscious impact. Its purpose was to shock Americans into turning away from the politics of warmongering, pain and suffering, and to turn, instead, to a path of unconditional love."The purpose of evil is to inspire all that is good!"You should note that the timing of the Virginia killings coincided with the U.S. Supreme Court's decision that same day to ban partial birth abortions, a ruling that many believe will be a first step toward reversing the controversial Roe vs. Wade ruling that makes abortions in the United States legal.This ruling, by a court stacked by the Christian-oriented Bush Administration with ultra conservative judges, is "an assault against women in terms of psycho-sexual freedoms, choice and personal power."Be warned that the stage is being set for a new wave of racial and sexual discrimination in America that is already beginning to be seen in the daily news. The Don Imus case is the most recent example.The old battle of the sexes, pitting man against women, is always visible just before great world wars. "We are on the brink of social discord." These things foretell of World War III, which is a growing threat as world powers square off over issues in Iran.The suicidal acts by 23-year-old Cho Seung-Hu, were sparked by the rejection of one, if not more than one woman. Police in Blacksburg, where the shooting occurred, said they investigated two separate stalking complaints against Cho by university women during his time at the school.It was said that the first shooting incident involved the murder of a woman in one of the dormitories following an argument.Among the many statements in his so-called manifesto, Cho said: "You have vandalized my heart, raped my soul and torched my conscience. You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people."Artwork found in Cho's personal effects included delicate drawings of praying hands over a rose and a male angelic figure kissing a tearful female angel in the clouds. The female's face is turned away as she receives the kiss on her cheek. Both drawings symbolize a Christian influence, even though Cho denounced Christianity in his final video messages received at NBC headquarters on Wednesday.Strangely, just as in the murders committed by Chicago's Christian serial killer John Wayne Gacy, this young man left 33 victims, one marking each year in the life of Jesus Christ. You should note that the news counts 32 victims, but Cho also took his own life, thus claiming the 33rd victim. That he identified himself as a sacrificial victim was significant. As a possessed young man, his life, indeed, was sacrificed by the entity as a means of delivering this powerful message.Monday's tragic event at Virginia Tech has even more twists within its symbolic spiritual message.At this time of year young men are experiencing a natural biological calling to sexual union because it is a time of the year when testosterone levels are raging through their bodies. This has often been referred to as the rites of spring, and are still celebrated in many countries with such events as a dance around a maypole and other pagan gatherings. The maypole, of course, represents the erect male penis.Women of the world are called to be aware of the subtle power they possess over men, and to be sensitive to the vulnerability of the males at this time of the year."Women need to understand this power." Truth be told it is the power of the Kundalini, or that coiled force believed by some to be curled up in the back part of the root chakra at the base of the spine.The symbol of the Kundalini is found in the Genesis story that tells of the serpent that tempts Eve in the Garden of Eden. It also can be found in images of the human DNA coil, as well as the medical symbol of the caduceus, or magic wand of the Greek god Hermes.Cho slammed us all with a powerful message that should make us take a long look at the spiritual and political direction this nation is moving. The growing threat of expanding our military conflicts in the Middle East with an attack on Iran is one of the most deadly and spiritually troublesome things we could do.Truth be said the choice for all of us, especially in choosing our next president, will be that of picking a leader that will be soft on war, or choosing another Christian warmonger like George W. Bush.It will be a choice between hate and pain and suffering, or love.A wrong choice will mean a global war. It will mean a return of the draft, and hundreds of thousands of young men and women of the same age group that perished in the Virginia shootings could be slaughtered on the battlefield. This is the probable penalty of choosing wrong.There is one final symbolic mark to this affair that cannot be overlooked. There is a U. S. Senator representing the State of Virginia who offered public words of comfort on Monday after hearing of the shootings. His name is the same as Presidential candidate John Edwards, except he has a middle initial S in his name.The appearance by Senator Edwards was a subconscious message to everyone that the presidential candidate by that name is the right choice if America wants a president that will be "soft on war" and lead the nation on a pathway of love."Edwards is our next to be in the office and he will stand for love when he is introduced to an Iranian wife bonding our two countries,""This is a message from God. It is a divine message of love verses ego and war. It is our choice in the next election.""The whole thing is obvious enough that everyone can feel it."

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

I used to exchange emails with John Melvin Davis sporadically. They were completely different from his on-line Gunkid persona. In those exchanges, he was always friendly, reasonable, and well spoken. If this is the same guy, he won't get out of prison until he is a very old man, if he ever gets out at all.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

No, just blame the dead people. Wrong place, wrong time.hehe. As a person who lives in a community dominated by a college campus, I would be very leary about drunk childrens with guns in their rooms. They seem capable of doing plenty of damaage without guns.The problem is things will never change for good, law abiding Americans. Every elected President is in debt to the NRA for NRA votes when he gets into office. Along with all the other lobbies. The silent majority give their votes away for false promises and false hopes.That coupled with the fact that big business 'owns' politicians on both sides of the house, (you don't think they gamble on one horse in a two horse race do you?), means you better get used to it. Big tabacco, big weapons pushers and big oil have told 'bought' Dems to leave Bush alone. Profits could be hit by political instability. Where's Charlton when we need to see somebody who has really sold his soul to the corporate capitalist devil?? hehehe.You live in a civilised world where the citizenry are better armed than the police. You live in a civilised world where your neighbour could have a weapon more suited to the battlefields of Iraq than suburbia. You live in a civilised world where corporate greed comes before the lives of your young and innocent.

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from Toad wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

John Melvin Davis, Gunkid, is doing 10 years in federal prison on weapons charges. I heard about the anthrax story on another board.Didn't know if it was the same guy because the gunkid is age 53?

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

John Melvin Davis...Gunkid did all that?

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from sam wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

jerry,i really appeciate and intelligent individual. heck maybe we ought to vote you president, i mean for gods sake you are the only person so far that has done your research thuroughly enough to actually have a valid opinion, if this is an example of how you are about making any case then hell you would have my vote. the gun world could really use a promoter such as yourself, as you said all the stats that the anti's use are the gun related crimes in countries that have restrictive gun laws. they never use switzerland and they dont use the close contact crime rates either. i appreciate a voice of reason.sam

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

I'm charged up after my appearance with Jim on CBS's Face the Nation Sunday morning. And I'm even more excited that so many of you have taken action in the wake of last week's tragic shootings at Virginia Tech.More than 50,000 calls and emails have been made to our elected leaders to ask them "What are YOU going to do about gun violence," including thousands to President Bush, Speaker Pelosi, and Majority Leader Reid.This pressure is absolutely critical if we don't want our leaders to retreat and do nothing after offering condolences.So thank you! But we need to keep that momentum going. Please support our efforts today.Why do we have to keep the pressure on? Because every day in America, 32 people are murdered by guns. The same number that was killed last Monday.A supporter last week had the great idea of asking her friends to donate $32 to the Brady Campaign. So we are asking you to do the same now. Please give $32 today.Despite the daily toll of gun deaths, Congress has done nothing. And to help your Brady Campaign keep the heat on Congress, we are asking you for your financial support right now.As a nation, we can do better. And to keep the dialogue going and the momentum building to find a solution, please keep asking the question "What are YOU going to do about gun violence in America?"Sincerely,Sarah Brady, ChairBrady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

John Melvin Davis, 49, will remain in Federal custody while he awaits trial on charges of sending threats and hoaxes by mailBigbenr 4/27/07 7:28PM *John Melvin Davis, 49, will remain in Federal custody while he awaits trial on charges of sending threats and hoaxes by mailBigbenr 4/26/07 3:13PMPost: #1John Melvin Davis, 49Spider7115 11/28/06 9:01PMPost: #1John Melvin Davis, 49Spider7115 11/28/06 10:41AMPost: #1John Melvin Davis, 49Oklahoma Nov 27, 2006 (AP)— A man charged with mailing more than a dozen threatening letters containing a white powder to celebrities, politicians and other high-profile figures has been arrested while in federal custody on unrelated charges. John Melvin Davis, 49, will remain in Federal custody while he awaits trial on charges of sending threats and hoaxes by mail.He is accused of sending the letters to comedians Jon Stewart and David Letterman; Democratic Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California; Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer of New York; MSNBC host Keith Olbermann; and Viacom Inc. chairman Sumner Redstone.Some letters included phrases like "Death to Demagogues" and pictures of victims of the 2004 Asian tsunami, authorities said.The powder in the letters turned out to be harmless but it raised fears of another anthrax attack similar to the anthrax-laced letters that killed five people just weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.The count of sending threats by mail is punishable by up to 10 years in prison. Sending false information or hoaxes by mail carries up to five years in prison.

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from Been there done that wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

To Paul: who is the big gun silly you refer too???? If was directed to my letter about your comments, I never mentioned big guns, other than a 44 mag, which is not a carry gun, it's a hunting gun.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

It is a very hard-hearted, self-absorbed and out-of-touch human being who can think that he represents the rest of us when he defends the right to bear arms . I feel sick for all the students, families, staff and administration of that school. I want them to know that I am ashamed of our President and to assure them that he does not speak for me. My heart goes out to everyone hurt by this tragedy. I feel strongly that that is most everyone. It's beyond shocking that the president's first words would be a defense of the right to bear arms. Right now isn't the time for that! Couldn't he have just issued a statement expressing shock for what happened and condolences for the family and friends of the victims? I expected nothing less from this administration. As I recall, in the aftermath of the Al-Queda attacks on the World Trade Venter and The Pentagon, Then Attorney General John Ashcroft did not want law enforcement agencies to be able to access information about Al-Queda terrorist cells purchasing firearms.I wish The Bush Crime Family upheld and defended the rest of my rights as vigorously.

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from DueceII wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

gunbreaker will exploit your IP like Fudgebar's, stay away from it!! http://forums.gunbroker.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=4

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from dkb2003 wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

First, while callous and insensitive, this is not a new low for Bush. He *has* done much worse. If you've only just now realized that he is a sociopath, then you haven't been paying attention.Second, I doubt if Little George was all that sinciere about the "right for people to bear arms". He also said "all laws must be followedi, and we know he doesn't believe that.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms? Truly sickening. Maybe the president thought this kind of disgusting knee-jerk right-wing orthodoxy would go down well in Virginia, where gun culture has a strong and historical hold, where the "pry it out of my cold dead hands" line is still a sure crowd-pleaser. But I'm betting it won't. I'm betting that the parents and siblings and partners and teachers of those thirty-three students are appalled by this disgraceful excuse for a national figurehead, whose first instinct in the face of tragedy is as it has always been to cover his own political ass.I'm sure we will hear from them eventually. But it may take a while, because, unlike President Bush, they've got some real and difficult human emotions to work through first. I am so sorry for them, and for everyone at Virginia Tech, for what has happened today, and for the fact that the president of their country is too self-absorbed to have really noticed.

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from Paul wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

stop it you big gun silly

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from Been there-Done that wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

If anyone of the classmates at VT had a carry permit, and had a pocket gun, wonder how many lives would have been saved. I have a carry permit, and my pocket guns goes where I go, if I;m wearing my pants, which I usually do.All gun owners should be responsible for their action, even if not a carry permit is allowed. Prior to my state approving the carry permit, I carried a small pocket gun for 40 yrs. Never have looke for trouble, but do not care to have some jerk shot me without a struggle. I also am a big game hunter, and when I hit the woods, my 44 mag goes also,.Be suprised at the looks I ahve received over the years while huntiong, when a un-known person walked up to me and I made a point to pull back my jacket to let him beware the long gun ws not all I was carrying. Do believe many times the handgun prevented a robbery or worse.The officials in teh county where VT is located dropped te ball on this guy. Why was his record not available to the shop where he purchased his guns>>?????? Others are to blame as well as the shooter in my book.Best I recall, a Judge imposed on the shooter to check in with some knee jerk official weekly, but he did not. Why was a warrant not issued for the shooters arrest, . Theye are many in VT who must share a portion of this terrible shooting. This guy planned to kill all in that classroom, I under over 300 rounds were fired??? but thats the media side of it. I'd rather be setting beside a guy with a gun showing, than a guy with a beer. Better pay attention to strange acting jerks next outing.

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from Been there-Done that wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

If anyone of the classmates at VT had a carry permit, and had a pocket gun, wonder how many lives would have been saved. I have a carry permit, and my pocket guns goes where I go, if I;m wearing my pants, which I usually do.All gun owners should be responsible for their action, even if not a carry permit is allowed. Prior to my state approving the carry permit, I carried a small pocket gun for 40 yrs. Never have looke for trouble, but do not care to have some jerk shot me without a struggle. I also am a big game hunter, and when I hit the woods, my 44 mag goes also,.Be suprised at the looks I ahve received over the years while huntiong, when a un-known person walked up to me and I made a point to pull back my jacket to let him beware the long gun ws not all I was carrying. Do believe many times the handgun prevented a robbery or worse.The officials in teh county where VT is located dropped te ball on this guy. Why was his record not available to the shop where he purchased his guns>>?????? Others are to blame as well as the shooter in my book.Best I recall, a Judge imposed on the shooter to check in with some knee jerk official weekly, but he did not. Why was a warrant not issued for the shooters arrest, . Theye are many in VT who must share a portion of this terrible shooting. This guy planned to kill all in that classroom, I under over 300 rounds were fired??? but thats the media side of it. I'd rather be setting beside a guy with a gun showing, than a guy with a beer. Better pay attention to strange acting jerks next outing.

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from Mark Moberly wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

For those who state that they were marksmen even though they weren't hunters- As head honcho over the armed forces they should be able to handle a gun- duh!

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from Iroc Bob wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago
from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

"The vast majority of academic research finds that concealed handguns significantly increase violent crime."That claim is not correct. The limited academic work done so far does, in fact, seem to demonstrate the opposite. In the United Kingdom, you are as likely to have a handgun pointed at you as you would be in Los Angeles California, and more likely than you would in Chattanooga Tennessee. And the UK has banned private ownership of handguns for years.Worse still, the "contact crime" rates in The UK, Belgium, France, Denmark, Spain, Germany, and Italy are typically greater than they are in the US.. in some cases by a factor of two or three. A contact crime is a crime where the perp confronts the victim and uses or threatens violence (rapes, assaults, muggings and the like).It is quite clear that violence in general and firearms violence are strongly associated with dense urban conditions, poverty, and criminal organizations, not with legal firearms ownership as such.

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from Slow Hand wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

What if the handguns actually disappeared? Banning guns could save lives.Banning guns from the workplace seems like the obvious way to prevent workplace violence and gun-free zones may appear like the solution to gun violence.The vast majority of academic research finds that concealed handguns significantly increase violent crime. We need to ban guns.Actually I'm sure it would save lives. I do believe that properly implemented strict gun control would save a lot of lives, but I don't see it ever happening in this country because criminals would be afraid to break the law by getting an illegal gun.Just some kind of heavy regulation could help. In Australia, they have a ban on all automatic and most semi-automatic guns, as they don't really serve a purpose other than killing people.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

I can live with that Zulu7!!

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from Zulu7 wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Ralph the Rifleman sounds of the stud muffin looking fur action?

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

to: J.M.Demko's rant against me started over a comment I had made against the ACLU...I tried to convey the point of right-vs-wrong, verses what the issue the ACLU makes about searches..which lead into the responsibility of police. I never stated that law enforcement was my personal body guard, but if a Felony/Crime is being committed in their presence, they are empowered to enforce that law being broken-(Like an armed robbery against you while standing at a bus stop)-and as citizens we have that power as well(Felony crimes). Concerning the legal defense in court of one's actions after the fact is another story. I guess the idea of "protecting" someone is being misunderstood here. Unlike the ACLU I don't challenge the searching of bags to curtail a potential public bomber, then lay restricts of passage into an office.Searches, even in a Free society, are necessary at times, in my opinion...such as I don't speak for Demko--the ACLU doesn't speak for me, either. Neither do I reduce my OPINION to insulting someone else--None of you know where I have been; so insults are like A**holes-Everyone has one, but some stink more then others.

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from Zulu7 wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Pink Pistols Splash Page www.pinkpistols.org/ Thirty-one states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "--Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000We did. There are now over 35 Pink Pistols chapters nationwide, and more are starting up every day. We are dedicated to the legal, safe, and responsible use of firearms for self-defense of the sexual-minority community. We no longer believe it is the right of those who hate and fear gay, lesbian, bi, trans, or polyamorous persons to use us as targets for their rage. Self-defense is our RIGHT.The Pink Pistols get together at least once a month at local firing ranges to practice shooting, and to acquaint people new to firearms with them. We will help you select a firearm, acquire a permit, and receive proper training in its safe and legal use for self-defense. The more people know that members of our community may be armed, the less likely they will be to single us out for attack. Join us today. It is your RIGHT.

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from Jerry Nussbaum wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

I find it interesting that when people cite gun laws in Europe, and there supposed resultant public safety, they always leave out the most impressive example. Which European country has the lowest overall crime rate, lowest violent crime rate, and highest standart of living? Switzerland. Which country requires that all men age 18-65 own an 'assult-style' (actually military issue) rife? Switzerland. What European country worships championship marksmen like Superbowl MVP's, has a love-affair with guns that would make the NRA blush, and hoards ammo at a rate that would make the most UN-fearing American gun-nut jealous? Switzerland. In fact, there are parts of Switzerland that make would make Texas look down-right progressive on most matters, including firearms. Yet, you only hear about England and France and their restictive gun laws. I guess if they mentioned that these places were less safe than Switzerland, then the audience might not draw the intended, yet erroneous conclusion.Remember, all of the deadliest civilian tragedies in modern western history have involved exactly zero guns (9/11, World Trade Center Bombing, Oklahoma City Bombing, Spanish Train bombing, etc). The last time I asked, you didn't need a FBI background check to buy fertilizer or box cutters. This is because these items have multitudes of practical uses other than killing innocent civilians. The Swiss have realized this about guns. I can only hope that the rest of America eventually will as well.

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from BCR9000 wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Sad but True......Parts available OFF the InternetIn Response To: It is funny how Dana Reed can still be selling Lots of Victims out there NOT using the Internet.....Ever see a Dana Reed WARNING .... Posted in ShotGun News or GunList ?and don't forget GunBrocker.com actually SUPPORTS him by allowing him to post there......so Boycott GunBroker.comThe guys a Turd...plain and simple

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

The problem of course will be in determining the difference between "common sense" and "bs" gun regulations.And I still think the paranoia about firearms is misplaced.Lifetime odds of any particular American dying in an automobile accident -- about 1 in 78.Lifetime odds of dying in an "assault by firearm" are 1 in 314.It is thus demonstrated that elevating firearms injury risk reduction ahead of other sources of risk reductino is illogical on the basis of empirical facts.These figures from the US National Saftey Council (an NGO 501C3 risk and injury tracking organization founded by the United States Congress in 1913 for the purpose of tracking workplace and other injuries) at:http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm

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from Rick Earl wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

It is my deep belief that shootings like these are enabled by the unparalleled ease with which people procure weapons in this country And I believe this will reignite the dormant effort to pass common-sense gun regulations in this nation.We hunters should be behind these efforts and show the politicians that these acts are done with non-hunting guns.

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from J.M. wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

" "The police have a duty only to protect society, not individuals."Huh????JA Demko-I think it's better to understand that we all have an opinion in a FREE SOCIETY, and trust me, when you make comments like this PLEASE feel free to speak for yourself.By the way, checking for explosive devices in public places is protecting society."SCOTUS has ruled on more than one occasion that police have no responsibility to protect and serve the individual.Case in point: http://www.forensic-evidence.com/site/Police/CastleRockRestraining.htmlH... opinion is backed up by a group of black robe wearing people whose opinions DO mean something.

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from coup wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

I'd like to say that I wish to distance myself as far as possible away from you NRA maniacs. I do not agree with you, and perhaps you should be aware of who your audience is before you start making threating statements such as these. The logic of your post, namely that more lives are saved by guns than ended, was lost in a haze of silly insecurity.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Boo-Woo"You're too ignorant and/or stupid to even discuss this, Ralph, and I recently promised myself that I would stop wasting lifespan arguing with people unqualified to even have an opinion. Good day to you."Thanks for proving my point..reduce yourself to insulting someone else when their opinion conflicts with yours..must be part of your "qualifications" in having a better opinion.I can see why you favor the ACLU.Don't bother wishing me a Good Day, it's rather cliché when not sincere.

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

"The police have a duty only to protect society, not individuals."Huh????JA Demko-I think it's better to understand that we all have an opinion in a FREE SOCIETY, and trust me, when you make comments like this PLEASE feel free to speak for yourself.By the way, checking for explosive devices in public places is protecting society."-RalphYou're too ignorant and/or stupid to even discuss this, Ralph, and I recently promised myself that I would stop wasting lifespan arguing with people unqualified to even have an opinion. Good day to you.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

"The police have a duty only to protect society, not individuals."Huh????JA Demko-I think it's better to understand that we all have an opinion in a FREE SOCIETY, and trust me, when you make comments like this PLEASE feel free to speak for yourself.By the way, checking for explosive devices in public places is protecting society.

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from sam wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

why would i want to carry a firearm, good question. according to one poll as many as 34% but not less than 30% of all armed criminals that have been convicted, admited that they were dettered at one point in time from committing a crime cause someone had a gun, were caught because someone pulled a gun on them and held them untill the police arrived, or they were wounded by someone that had a gun and therefor were captured. all of these people are normal citizens that carry guns not cops. think about it for a second say you like to go for a jog every evening, you are jogging along minding your own, and some guy stepps out with say a knife and tells you to fork over your wallet. now if you are carrying a gun you can pull it on him and hold him untill the cops get there, if not then you you hand over your wallet and all your hard earned money to someone that is too lazy to get a job. are there anymore ridiculously retarded questions from bigbenr

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from SHOOT2TH1LL wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

OMG!!!here we go the Bigbenr thing is repeating itself just like Earths climates. As if he hasnt blogged enough."a beautiful young man would still be alive"-i know your orientation but i dont what to hear about how cute some korean boy was

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Why on earth would you want to CARRY a firearm ??Don't you know that the police provides Public Safety ??THEY will protect you and your belongings.I also suggest that you immediately dispose of the firearms you currently have. Please get your mind right.I will light a candle for you.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

The Bill of Rights is outdated, and should be repealed. If it only saves one innocent child's life, isn't it all worth it?http://denver.yourhub.com/HighlandsRanch/Blogs/News-Politics/Commentary/Blog~298960.aspx

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

No, Ralph, I wouldn't ask that and I'll thank you, in the future, to speak for yourself and let me speak for myself. The police have a duty only to protect society, not individuals. Part of the "cost" of living in an even somewhat free society is limitation on what government officials_like the police_can and can't do.You, Ralph, are free to put up a sign at the door to your home just like the one the ACLU put up at their offices.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

If Cho Seung-Hui had not been unreasonably fearful, had used common sense and not had a gun, a beautiful young man would still be alive. There are too many Cho Seung-Hui out there too many little people of limited social skills, limited practical intelligence and limited conscience who not only fail to think before they act but refuse to take responsibility for their actions.Our Constitution does not give us rights without responsibility, so where is the personal responsibility in this?We have the NRA to thank not only for the deletion of personal responsibility from the equation, but for all the people who will die as the result.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

You got that right Peter C.JA Demko-If a backpack exploded in the public subway-everyone including you and the ACLU-would have asked why did'nt they(police, govmt,or whom ever "they" are)protect us??Oh..so the ACLU can protect themselves, and the hell with the public? Yea, that's a contradiction in moral terms,or are you referring to legal terms?Is it about right-or-wrong, or what's leagally correct?

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from Peter C wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

If I'd pissed off as many people as the ACLU, I'd want to search everyone entering my premises!

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

ACLU is a private organization. Subway system is owned by the government. Whether you recognize the difference or not, there is a difference and there is no contradiction.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Ah yes, the ACLU, this is the group that fought against bag/back pack searches in NY subways, but had a sign posted on their building indicating that ALL PERSONS ENTERING WILL SUBMIT ANY CARRYING BAG OR PURSE TO A FULL SEARCH BEFORE ENTERINGIs this the same ACLU?Punch of liberal,contradiction, as usual.

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from Peter C wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

As a result of the VA Tech tragedy, I understand that the NRA, the Brady Campaign and several members of congress, both Republicans and Democrats, may be pushing for a federal law that requires the medical records of potential psychopathic killers to be registered in the federal database accessible to gun dealers, so when they go on the NCIS for a check, the nutjobs can be identified. This should be very interesting, because of course the ACLU and other "civil rights" organizations will be having a shit hemorrhage over this. It violates all kinds of existing "medical privacy laws" such as HIPAA but, hey, if the newspapers can publish lists of licensed concealed carry permitees, then WTF!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Matt-Your statement is a fitting tribute to Maher; he really had a twisted, and at times demented, way of thinking.He deserved being canned and should continue to apologize for having such a big mouth.

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from Matt wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Maher is a pig's ass. Remember, he lost his show because he ranted about how cowardly Americans soldiers are and how brave idiots who fly planes into buildings are, so he can (to put in a way the moderators may approve of) go have intercourse with himself.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

NRA joining with Democrats.THANK GOD FOR COMMON SENSE AND A DREAM COME TRUEHouse Democrats, NRA Seek to Strengthen Background Checks for Gun PurchasersSaturday , April 21, 2007House Democratic leaders are working with the National Rifle Association to bolster existing laws blocking mentally ill people from buying guns.Lacking support to enact strong new gun measures even after the Virginia Tech shootings, Democrats are instead resurrecting legislation, which has drawn broad bipartisan support and NRA backing, that would improve the national background check system.The measure, a version of which has passed the House in two previous Congresses but died in the Senate, could come to a House vote as early as next month. It would require states to supply more-thorough records, including for any mental illness-related court action against a would-be gun purchaser.Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., a strong NRA ally who has been a leading opponent of most gun control legislation, is negotiating with the group on the background-check bill.House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has tapped Dingell and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y. — a leading gun control supporter whose husband was fatally shot by a deranged gunman on the Long Island Railroad — to broker a swift compromise measure that could win passage in the House and Senate.McCarthy said the measure was the best the Democratic-controlled Congress could do even in the wake of the deadly shooting rampage Monday in which a disturbed gunman killed 32 and then himself."We're not going to do anything more on guns — it's just not going to happen. This is a pro-gun Congress," said McCarthy.Current law bars people judged by a court to be "mentally incompetent" from purchasing firearms, but the federal background check database is incomplete, with many states far behind in automating their records and sending them to the FBI.Cho Seung-Hui, the 23-year-old gunman in the recent shootings, should have failed his background checks and been barred access to guns after a Virginia special justice found in 2005 that his mental illness made him a danger to himself, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said this week.The measure being negotiated would subject states to possible penalties for failing to provide the information, and authorize new federal grants to help them do so."If we give the states what they need to enforce these limits, that's a big step," McCarthy said. "A computer is only as good as the information in it."The measure has drawn bipartisan interest. Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, an NRA ally, is among the Republicans considering signing on.Talks on the measure are extremely sensitive, given how little time has passed since Monday's shootings on the Blacksburg, Va., campus.The legislation has spawned an unusual alliance between gun rights activists, who want background checks to be faster, and gun control advocates, who want them to be more accurate. Still, the NRA and some of its congressional allies are skittish about appearing to support any gun control measure in the wake of the Virginia Tech rampage."We have a potential opportunity to get something done that both sides have agreed (on) for a couple of years," said Peter Hamm, a Brady Campaign spokesman. "There's clearly a level of distrust that's as tall as Mount Everest between the two sides in this debate. We watch each other carefully."Democratic Rep. Richard Boucher, who represents the southwestern Virginia district where the shootings unfolded, said he would not talk about gun policies until next week at the earliest, out of respect for the families of the victims. Like most lawmakers, Boucher wore a maroon and orange ribbon on his lapel Friday, set aside as a day of remembrance for the Virginia Tech tragedy.Dingell would not comment on the talks Friday, nor would the NRA."This is not the time for political discussions, public policy debates or to advance a political agenda," the group said in a statement.However, another gun rights group, the Gun Owners of America, is adamantly opposed to the legislation. It said the measure would allow the government to trample privacy rights by compiling reams of personal information and potentially bar mentally stable people from buying guns."The thing that most concerns us about this is our friends at the NRA are supporting it, and that could give Democrats cover in the election," said Larry Pratt, a spokesman for the group. "The NRA is making a mistake on this. This is a bill that could pass."Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, a strong gun rights supporter, said he hasn't opposed the background check measure in the past and wouldn't expect to do so now.Gun measures have been known to spin out of control in the freewheeling Senate — where any senator can seek to amend a bill. Any measure there would be looked upon as an opportunity for both gun control advocates eager to enact stronger limits and their foes pushing to weaken existing gun laws.For Dingell's effort to succeed, Republicans and Democrats on both sides of the Capitol likely would have to agree to hold off on a broader gun debate and focus instead on the background-check measure."We need to be very careful that we don't intrude on the right of law-abiding and free citizens," Craig said. "We all search for the political screen of, 'Oh, we've got to do something and pass a law, and therefore the world will be a safer place.' Not necessarily."

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

I got the groovy PM.Thanks for the kind words .45Colt

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from SHOOT2TH1LL wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

"Americans REFUSE to learn from other older, wiser, SAFER countries & my prediction is that if we don't, we'll continue to pay the ultimate price!"America is number one. Let me say that slower NUMBER ONE. you dont ask 8th place how to win especially if your the winner. America has always kinda looked at the Europeans for help. Screw Europe we have either kicked or saved that whole continents butt a couple of times over. We are the BEST. I refuse to take any advice from the crazy Europeans.'and we know that NRA LIES'dont you dare ever group me with you.You HATE me because of my beliefs'no i hate you becuase you are ignorants longwinded and plain stupid. 'Those who trade their guns for plows will plow for those who dont''

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

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from 21st Century Abolitionist wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

My apologies in advance to those of you who will no doubt be offended for no good reason other than exaltation of the Lost Cause, but the truth is that the Yankee "oppression" and "aggression" against which the South fought was the election of a clearly abolitionist President -- who had nevertheless promised not to unilaterally enforce abolition. That is absolutely all the worst that the North had done to the South at the time of secession. (Remember the Missouri Compromise and the Kansas-nebraska Act? The North had repeatedly compromised with the South on the question of slavery.)The "way of life" they all sought to protect, rich and poor Southern alike, was based on slavery, or at least on Jim Crow enforced by the Klan, which kept African Americans at the lowest tier of society. The South always had the option of abolishing slavery on its own, which would have prevented the conflict, possibly even ended it mid-battle (Not at least because Britain and most of Europe would have come to the South's aid, but also because the North would have lost it's one moral advantage -- remember the impact of the Emancipation Proclaimation upon the war -- up to that point, the South was clearly winning!).Slavery was the only thing the South had to fight for, other than the intense prejudices about Yankees. Yes, the regional prejudice and animosity was mutual, but the South fired the first shots. In doing so, they destroyed their own way of life. Without those shots at the resupply ship to Ft. Sumter, the North would have had no justification, legal or moral, for waging war.Sorry for all the good ol' boys in butternut and gray, but they had some responsibility for what happened -- and for losing. Too bad too many of us over a century and a half later consider these fighting words -- which should be evidence enough for truth in what I've written.Gun control is just another form of slavery -- of second class citizenship that makes its victims' liberties subject to the fears of others. Since 1968, all handguns sold in retail commerce have been registered. If that's not control enough for you, there's only about one more thing to do to us handgunners -- ban them. Of course, there's barely a study or two that provides a whit of credible, uncontested evidence that any of this has or could effect crime rates or criminal behavior. Yes, it's just another form of prejudice. Sorry, all of you who think that a shotgun or rifle is somehow morally superior to a handgun, but that's just another form of unjustified prejudice.

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from CB wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Come on guys bigbner will never change his/her ideas about guns because he/she is hardheaded and no matter what proper info you give him/her he will never agree. The main fact as I have always stated is guns don't kill people, people kill people. If bigbner doesn't get this concept he/she is more of an idiot than he/she already is. Hunters rule!!!!!!!!!

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from relax wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Transgender Student Runs for Prom King(AP) Fresno High School senior Cinthia Covarrubias, the school's first transgender prom king candidate,...FRESNO, Calif. (AP) - When school officials announce the name of the Fresno High School prom king on Saturday, Cinthia Covarrubias will be wearing a tuxedo just like the six boys vying for the honor.School officials this week added the 17-year-old's name to the ballot for prom king, reversing a previous district protocol that allowed only males to run for king and females for prom queen.Gay youth advocates called it a landmark victory for campus gender expression and said they believe it's the first time in the U.S. that an openly transgender student has run for prom royalty.Covarrubias, who wears black-and-white Vans, baggy shorts and close-cropped brown hair, sometimes identifies herself as Tony. Her date, a close female friend, plans to wear a black dress and red corsage to the prom at an outdoor reception hall surrounded by man-made waterfalls.(AP) Fresno High School senior Cinthia Covarrubias, the school's first transgender prom king candidate,...Full Image

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from Mark wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Yeah, Rick, It's sorta tough to take Bigenr-types seriously. Think that's what bothers the person more than anything else...to be found amusing and disregarded on this blog. :-)

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Ricky you're such a funny twit.

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from Rick wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Come on fellows...arguing with the simplistic, sophomoric, intolerant likes of Bigbenr is a waste of time and blog space! It's hard to believe someone can be so long-winded and say virtually nothing repeatedly. I suggest we ignore such tripe. It wrecks the blog dialogue if we engage her (his) ilk.If we choose to ignore misguided, limp wristed twits like her (him), they'll go away.

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from sam wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

alright so as an avid hunter and the owner of many guns, i have a problem with people group simi-automatic, and automatic guns in the same catagory. this is like comparing apples and oranges.also i am not a proponent of automatic weapons, yes i get my doses of fun by going and shooting, and i think that automatic weapons are extremely cool, my personal opinion though is that if you want an automatic either join the police, fbi, cia, or go into the armed services.another pet peeve of mine is when the ignorant die hard anti's suggest that any person in his or her right mind would dare to use something such as an ak-47 for hunting, hell you would ruin all the meat. and last i checked bullets and lead are hard on your teeth.lastly people that do not like guns have no bussiness on this blog. people that are not outdoorsman/women types shouldnt even visit this website. for gods sake its called field and stream its a hunting and fishing website, people that go to this site hunt and fish.i have grown up with guns all of my life, i do not feel that this in itself makes me a lesser person nor do i think that it makes me more "macho" it is simply a part of my heritage. if in fact you do find guns reprenesible that is fine with me, but i would appreciate it greatly if you would leave the ones of us that are properly educated and are reasonably sound of mind and competent in the use of guns alone. yes i do believe in the freedom of speech but this argument has turned into a religious type argument. the people that hate guns are going to hate them no matter what we say and the die hard gun toters that believe that all guns should be allowed are the same.like i previously stated i do consider myself a competent reasonably sane adult. i do think that we have gotten completely off topic though.sam hayescentenary college, louisianahome town alexandria, LA

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from Lonny Howard wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago
from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

This board can be a riot! Just like self-hitting.First, I'm no fool J.M. I recognize that you simply parrot the words of others and have no cogent thought of your own. Your desperate for recognition and sees this board as a way to get it.Instead you lurk here just waiting to troll people who do not worship the NRA like you do, so everything they say and do is Substandard to you, G-D knows why.and you FAIL to follow the great advice you get from those you troll so you slave your arse off for somebody else...dunbass......a pity really.This is supposed to be the land of the free and the home of the brave, and I want it back. Now I ran into NRA idiots and oppression! I find it odd that you accuseothers of being socialist robots when in opint of fact you yourself was simply repeating the same replyover and over and over and over and over ... Why are the NRA BushBootLickers so scared of truth and progress???? What a pathetic attempt to shout down those who question lies.Not a criticism, or bustin yer chops but a smorgasbord of topics is much better and more palatable than just the TWO topics you center on. You are better than that and I KNOW you have the resources at your command and the smarts to educate and inform many a person on things of importance rather than or in conjunction with, GUNS GUNS GUNS!!!!Now run along get some more of that "cheap" credit you are addicted to.

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from CB wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Bigbenr guns dont kill people people kill people.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME PLEASE someone LOOK AT ME.... LOOK AT MY hypocrisy!!! yeah ok rightwing media guy we get it YOU are on top of EVERYTHING and you look after everyones best interests.Such ridicule from the willingly ignorant.Gee whiz, I'm sure glad you righties don't blame Clinton for anything. Ahh, refusing the facts is your chosen tactic. I see. That speaks volumes about your willingness to research and learn the facts about a subject.I wonder if you put this exhaustible amount of energy into everything you do?I ask questions, J.M. You do not. Not only do you choose to live in your willing denial, but you serve to ridicule those who are armed with more than conjecture and musings.Enjoy your servitude.

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from J.M. wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

"What you are trying to say by talking about cars and other things is that events like this fall under the category of acceptable losses; having a mass killing every few years is just the price that has to be paid to maintain the status quo and that price is acceptable to you.So since people are the problem, we should ban people?"Willard, Willard, Willard, you're missing the point. I'll try not to get polysyllabic on you so you can absorb this.Banning guns or any other implement which the appearance of give you the shivers, will not stop stupid, defective people from preying on society.You liberal retards come on boards such as these, wasting Mr. Petzals bandwidth, stirring up hate and discontent. You espouse the idea that ridding the world of those evil, awful, scary looking guns will deliver us to a socialist utopia of peace, harmony, fuzzy kittens and civil unions for all. Get real!Pull your heads out of wherever you Brady Bunch zombies put them, and realize that the underlying problem is not inanimate objects which in and of themselves do not possess the qualities of evil or any of the other anthropomorhic qualities you ascribe to them. The problem is human nature. Since Cain knocked Abel in the head with a rock, people have found ever more inventive ways to do what people do.The point of this, which you missed amongst your slavering and slobbering, is that if you want to keep truly deadly tools out of the hands of fallible humans, you will have to take away more than guns.Is the DAILY slaughter on the highways of America by idiots behind the wheels of 5000 lb. weapons of mass destruction acceptable loss to you?You can have my guns when you give up your car. You people have wasted enough of my time.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Try to save face by changing thesubject and calling names...it's all you can do JM.... make up yer FROZEN mind! OH Wait, what is my zip code, here in Babylon?? You can run to fauxnews for a whitewashed version of the truth, and liberal bashing... and lies, but you cannot hide from the truth forever. Stop acting like such an idiot, if you can even help it.To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.

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from J.M. wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Comrade Lenin had a name for these socialist hand puppet trolls, "Useful Idiots." Originally ascribed to "those Western reporters and travelers who would endorse the Soviet Union and its policies in the West," these pathetic souls who shrilly denouce our nation and constitution carry on a long, however sordid, tradition.Bigbenr, it's way past time for your meds.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

I see you chose to blow off the issue's. More name calling and no substance as usual! You HATE me because of my beliefs. and you hate me because I question YOUR beliefs. I make you have to defend yourself. You can't seem to defend your beliefs with the NRA masters.You can't defend yourself, you can't answer tough questions so you resort to name calling and smear campaigns.Only a FOOL believes his beliefs are not wrong. A bigger fool defends his foolish beleifs, even when confrunted with facts that show the fool to be wrong. it is too hard for the fool to admit he was wrong, and lied to so the fool lashes out at all those who make him look like a fool.The problem is the fool is making a bigger fool of himself than anybody else could ever hope to.Someone went nuts thats for sure! No one can ever say this is the no spin zone. There is plenty of spin here, all to the right.Why? Because they are a people dying of thirst walking towards a mirage, and when they get there, they find no water, so they drink the sand. They don't drink the sand because they want to. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.Preaching to the choir here? BWHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH. go ahead and enjoy misery.Hang on, I need to get more tinfoil. Be right back !!! The idea behind a "tin foil hat" is it should be used like a Faraday cage. In electromagnetic field theory, when one solves for the distribution of a field in and around a conducting surface, one finds that electromagnetic waves do not penetrate very far through holes that are less than about a wavelength across. Equivalently, the reflection of electromagnetic waves from a conducting surface is not much affected by holes (or other irregularities) in the surface less than about a wavelength across. Therefore, it is possible to make a Faraday Cage or a satellite dish with 'holes' without materially affecting performance, provided that the holes are less than about a wavelength across. So basically, one using tin foil is trying to keep the truth out, not amplify government corruption, or conspiracy as you morons call it. Usually one uses the phrase "tin foil" to shout down a discussion when the facts presented are too much for him or her to accept mentally. Because to d oso would make them have to think for themselves, and the conclusions are inescapable.the government is corrupt to the bone and lies constantly.

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from Ed J wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Mark Where's Billy Goat Gruff when you need him?My Grand fater worked for Teddy Rooseveldt on the Elkhorn Ranch.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

{{{{{Sorta spooky on reading the personal jabs. Wonder where this character will aim next?}}}}Delicious little man! Just like the rest of them mmaking fun of me over at the other gun boards. No end in site, civil war around the corner. The FILTH started this.As USUAL! Facts the media isn't telling us ,Christ the whole board is mentally ill . Make an effort to understand the real enemy . ALL THESE Jack booted thugs looking for some action. Only a FOOL assumes facts not in evidence.The post was more about exposing YOUR hypocrisy than embracing anyone's view. Or Mine! As usual you sidestepped the issue and refused to address it, instead trying to divert attention to me by implying I need information welfare. Funny, you didn't have any welfare to give out.I knew your game, but figgured what the heck, and actually had a very long diatribe wrote up refuting most of these lies. Smoked you out! Hahaha. Personally, I think your the psycho who doesn't have the same opinion on a subject two minutes in a row. Arrogant self-promoting Rightwingers.Sheesh! People get the corrupt liars in gvt that they deserve. PERIOD! Your "point" was merly to name call nothing more .]] Do you KNOW the facts? Post your opinions inside the post, speak your mind inside the post, but be careful of the swath you paint with your brush .AND you better put down the oxy's and step away from the keyboard , Bwhahahahaha . Must suck to be such a loser? Bottom line is all 'teh' rah rah for the NRA is from fools who actully BELIEVE the book on goats, or fairys, or Terrorists GW is reading to their second grade mind is actually true and sad really.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

!!!MARKY !!!((((((Yup. The writings are tough to follow since Bigbenr doesn't write ))))) All you've proven to me is how amoral you've standards have become. I can no longer compete against your articulateness. Clearly you have shown us all your wit, your candor, and most importantly, your intelligence and reading comprehension skills. I concede this podium and bow down to your greatness.The NRA GUN CULT needs to wake up....after all...Its not about the NRA.it is about the quality of life in the USA and the childrens welfare and freedoms we have a RIGHT to...... What I am afraid of, and has already happened to a point at airports and police roadblocks, is israel style gun carrying police state that fosters violence. And we are no safer now, no matter what the NRA shills screeeeach at you about how we are. We never can or will be.These rightwing fanatics treat the NRA as a religion, and are convinced that they are so smart they know what is best for the nation in ways the people cannot comprehend, therefore, they are justified in circumventing the rules. Catch phrases we hear from such people like freedom and we have rights but it still comes down to dirty tricks, assassinations, and other crimes, all under the delusion that the noble ends justify the means used to achieve them.Thanks for sharing your onesidedness. We have the quiet before the storm; the economy is about ready to go into the sh*can. Thank god the DNC Broom is about to sweep out the Republicrap facist. Freaking pathetic and you, THEY, chastise, and character assasinate me for simply speaking and posting the absolute truth outta the founding fathers own mouth Simply amazing what people will do for appearance sake.

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from Mark wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Yup. The writings are tough to follow since Bigbenr doesn't write all that well, but the person has one of the biggest chips on their shoulders I've ever seen.Sorta spooky on reading the personal jabs. Wonder where this character will aim next?BTY Guys, earlier in this blog there was Civil War posts. I had two great, great uncles that were both Union Officers. One walked with the angels. He survived Antietam, Gettysburg, and Cold Harbor.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Bushwacker#1 ; Someone feeling a bit sore between the legs????..Yes, I thought my post might bring out one or more of the NRA true Believers slithering out from their respective rocks. Well good on you guys.Its almost as tho you are of the mind that this is some manor of magnificent revelation I might be inclined to deny. My apologies however that’s simply not very likely ! That I have engaged in misbehavior is a certainty, no great discovery in that, I do feel you folks shortchanged yourself . Never claimed the status of a unsoiled dove that seems so popular among the NRA Bund. ZI have spread my peculiar brand of mischief over the net violating insipid agreements on a multitude of active fronts. I am no fan of true believers or NRA fanatics in general...my impression is they are far too simple to forge their own path… Lets take a candid look "BushyWacky" I really enjoyed your weak minded justifications for an out dated 2a and US LAW. Still its rather depressing to see strong friendships wither and die due to underhanded back stabbing antics of the self annointed.Neither you or Peter C needs to play kissy-face with the other...too much hate filled spew has been allowed to pass but regardless of appearance, we are all in the same fight together. Anybody for patroitic leftovers?SO FRIENDS Don't fret over me though I have developed even more free time to devote to MORE DIRTIER fighting in the trenches with those we should ALL be concerned with instead of dividing ourselves . Hahahaha and I thought maybe,JUST MAYBE, I was losing my touch ....guess not!

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Peter C. Ha Ha Ha ; THE TRUTH HURTS??? Huh Buddy BOY!!! jeezo- YOU found me out! Shucks! It was a good night to be insane. There must have been an insane cackle breaking the momentum of the powerful illuminations and fraud? Come up with something fresh please.If you want to make a man your enemy or even get him to hate you, just try and tell him the truth about a politician, his political party, his church or about how the NRA LIES. I don’t’ have the exact quote handy, but a famous writer once said, the men the people most admire are the greatest liars, while the men they most hate are those who try and tell them the truth. Those of us in the Brady Movement are hated by those we are trying to educate. Facts mean nothing to a person, once his mind is made up. You simply cannot teach some men anything, because they already know so much that is not true. OH Oh OhAND Spare me the wounded rightwinger NRA line, okay? I say it's high time someone strong-armed the NRA Goons to stop their endless lying and falsification of the facts. And if these NRA redknecks can't stand the heat, maybe they ought to get out of the damned kitchen.Therein lies the real truth.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Mike Diehl ; I fear that if these NRA "Extremists" are not held to account for their actions, and stripped of lobby power at the very least, they will devise some new scheme to terrorize the populace once again into submission. In order to make this assessment, you have to actually refute or even address the material. You haven't been able to do this, despite my supreme patience on the matter.I suspect that anywhere you post becomes a no fact zone.But you've given away the fact that you're posting for the NRA Propaganda machine, and we know that NRA LIES to people, and that its subscribers and their useful Idiots , insulated in their little bubble, are not at all well-informed. I asked you for facts, and you give none . Exposing lies isn't pissing and whining and there's no expiration date on lies. PROOF!!!! PROOOF!!!Many of those posting comments here have made a mistake and are making fools of themselves. I stand by everything I have written, I can't help it if peopleignore what I write and substitute their own ideas. I have written on the Internet for years..Take a deep breath, reread what I have actually written and take some time to sincerely think about it. THINK, why is writing "NRA lies toserve the Gun makers agenda" OK but this topic results in an irrational and intellectually dishonest response?

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from Peter C wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

The fact that ticking bombs like Bigbenr are out there and apparently off their medications is a compelling reason to have a gun and be proficient in its use. You can't reason with people like this; they hear and respond only to their inner voices.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

I'll do you the service of ignoring your insults and your emotional hysteria if you'll lay off that stuff."I'd like to know WHO's rights we would be infringing upon to outlaw the ownership of semi & automatic handguns/weapons in this country??"Inasmuch as the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights are the rights of Americans I would venture to suggest that any person who is an American citizen stands to have their rights violated if firearms ownership is restricted qua the wishes of the 2nd Amendment."that would really make for a cozy campus wouldn't it?... knowing that there's a handgun in every backpack!"I do not see how that logically follows. Are you proposing that we pass a mandatory firearms ownership law? It might work. Everyone household in Switzerland owns a firearms and last I checked this sort of thing did not seem to be a problem. But I think the issue is far more complicated than either the black n' white view of this offered by some."but i guess it would have made the event even more sensational, for many more to have been killed in the cross-fire, huh!?"Why would one conclude that more would be killed? In the Salt Lake City mall spree shooting of late the spree-killer was kept at bay by one armed citizen (and off-duty policeman) who managed not to shoot anyone at all. The mere threat of return fire from one person kept the shooter penned up."The fact that the killer lied on the questionaire when he purchased the handgun about ever being in a mental institution, etc. & there was no background check, shows just how LAX our gunlaws are."Well, if you are proposing a mandatory background check against a database of people known to be ineligble to purchase firearms (there is a standard BATF form that we all fill out), you may be on to something. But that is not at all the same proposal as a complete firearms ban."Since there are only 2 purposes for guns - sport & killing - it seems that we could deduce by now"One *might* conclude that but I don't agree that the deductions that you propose lead to that conclusion. After all, everyone has to have a drivers' license to operate a motor vehicle, but people are killed in droves, daily, by the inept or criminal operation of cars. Far more than are lost to firearms.And "the right to own private transportation" isn't even parenthetically mentioned in the Bill of Rights. Not even the right to own a horse so that one can serve in the state militia."And as for blaming law enforcement.."Well, I don't recall anyone blaming LEO but I may have missed it. But it's a fair point to note that the common motto "To Protect and to Serve" might more accurately be stated as "To React and to Serve.""I am very disheartened that people [in this country]just don't seem to 'get it' & if we don't get to the root of the problem,"Many of us do not think that you have accurately identified the "root of the problem" That is why I made the point about banning automobiles. The call to ban firearms does not seem to be based on a sense of priorities that has foremost an intent to reduce the amount of carnage on the streets. Banning firearms is indeed the "band aid" solution that we ought to avoid."I just can't believe that we're harder on alcohol & cigarette use than on guns.."We aren't. There are no laws proscribing alcohol use for felons &c. Moreover, the alcohol observation is interesting because alcohol use is implicated in more accidents and deaths than are firearms. So why not ban alcohol? How well did that work last time?"if you'd check the laws of other countries that have a very low crime rate, it's the opposite!"This just in: In London, UK, where firearms ownership has been banned for over a decade, the per capita crime rate involving the use of a firearm is the same as it is in most major US urban areas. I will try to get you a link for that. The "contact crime" rate in most Europeans states (crimes where the perp assaults or threatens to assault the victim) are typically much higher than in the United States.So, errm, we're not a particularly violent society compared to other nations.

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from Bushwacker#1 wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Bigbenr-"The fact that the killer lied on the questionaire when he purchased the handgun about ever being in a mental institution, etc. & there was no background check, shows just how LAX our gunlaws are.""Our gun laws" do not in include Michigan Mr.Bigbenr-Government is at a State and Federal level-If you must be so historically illiterate to make quotes get your story straight! This killer's problem started when teachers complained about his hate filled papers; they were told he had a "right to free speech"...so shall we start with taking that away? Then in 2005 Mr.Killer was found to be "mentally a threat to himself and others", but Virginia does not require a backround check,making this fact a non valid issue. Seems you should start screaming at Virginia legislature to enact a backround check.Have you sent condolences to the families that have lost loved ones in this mess? And stop saying everyone owning a gun wants to shoot somebody with it. That's far from the truth, but every dead body seems to be a notch on your twisted belt of socialist thinking.ok..let's hear your side of being ready to "give up every freedom to have a safe society" comment.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Let’s then followthe NRA so intelligent way of thinking and let’s hope that every man and women in are country carries weapons. Why not settle down in a café and be so much secure because nothing will happen to us, because everybody around us are armed. Let us be educated in institutions of higher learning while being secured by the fact that every single people surrounding us are carrying firearms. Let’s feel free to go to the bank with our semi-automatic weapon just in case that someone show’s up and tries to rob the place.Talk about an idiotic way of thinking.Let us put in the hands of our citizens the means to create and to generate more and more violence… the single and only purpose of a firearm being to create violence.If you are so bright, and nothing tells me that you are, maybe you can explain to me what use in anyway possible can a 23 year student have in a 9mm assault semi-automatic and a 22 assault semi-automatic or even a scoped high powered sniper rifle??? Why in the whole world would anybody need such a things ? WHY?What you’re saying is that the more killer guns people have the more safe they will be. Think of it the opposite way my dear friends. If nobody had guns… the world would be a safer place. Putting instruments of death in the hands of people is one hell of a sure way to know that one day or another, someone will use that instrument not to defend himself, but to take lives that should not have been taken. And come to me with that crap about faith… the only and single purpose of a firearm is to create death, no guns surely means less violence. The United Nations has a plan and we should listen.With us Democrats in office i hope teh see the day all guns are banned!!Yet, I can't help but think that some of the pro-gun arguments I am reading here lack the kind of deep, comprehensive thinking that this very serious subject deserves.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Whoa, bud. You can make any idiotic claim about the Constitution guaranteeing your right to 30 round clips, but really, if you believe the Second Amendment makes us all an armed citizen army, constitute the militia and get your scrofulous ass to Iraq defending the country full time. Over there, so they don't follow us over here? Thirty-one rounds, but that was banned by the Brady Bill, but the presedent thought that impinged on 2nd Amendment rights.I'd like to know WHO's rights we would be infringing upon to outlaw the ownership of semi & automatic handguns/weapons in this country?? I couldn't believe that the 1st knee jerk [ridiculous] response to this [most recent] massacre, was that everyone should have been armed in order to protect themselves...that would really make for a cozy campus wouldn't it?... knowing that there's a handgun in every backpack! but i guess it would have made the event even more sensational, for many more to have been killed in the cross-fire, huh!? i guess those of you w/this philosphy don't care if you go down, you just want to go down shooting?! but somehow i doubt that anyone would have had time to respond in kind.The fact that the killer lied on the questionaire when he purchased the handgun about ever being in a mental institution, etc. & there was no background check, shows just how LAX our gunlaws are. Since there are only 2 purposes for guns - sport & killing - it seems that we could deduce by now [from the accidental & intentional deaths that have resulted from their possession & use], that we should make the purchasing of them ALOT more strict [like maybe assume that someone who is buying a gun might just lie to get it, duh!] & if you have good intentions [like shooting skeet], the restrictions & checks shouldn't be a problem, right? For example, if the prospective purchaser goes to a college, they should be notified & if the student isn't enrolled in one of the sportshooting classes &/or hasn't taken a gun safety course, the school would be forewarned that 'a quiet guy w/some mental problems' might be about to do himself or others in & JUST SAY NO! [to his purchase of a gun]...but this would be way too sensible & might just save some lives, BUT would infringe upon the rights of a natural born killer [which we're raising too many of today!].All i can ask now is: Where are the 'MOTHERS AGAINST GUNSLINGERS????? How many kids are going to have to die for us to begin such a movement in this country?? We are raising a generation of kids who play violent video games every minute of every day & are becoming totally desensitized to killing period...then we wonder why tragedies like this happen - when they can so easily get a real gun!And as for blaming law enforcement for not responding fast enough or in the appropriate manner to such an event...how in the world would even Superman respond quickly enough to thwort a crazed gunman on a rampage w/an automatic weapon??I am very disheartened that people [in this country]just don't seem to 'get it' & if we don't get to the root of the problem, rather than applying the band-aids (like we always do), this event won't be 'the largest massacre in this country' for long & we can just blame ourselves for every future massacre we contribute to by not making it harder to have/own a weapon, of this magnitude, in the 1st place.PS>i just can't believe that we're harder on alcohol & cigarette use than on guns...if you'd check the laws of other countries that have a very low crime rate, it's the opposite! But we Americans REFUSE to learn from other older, wiser, SAFER countries & my prediction is that if we don't, we'll continue to pay the ultimate price!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

"YOU have no 'gun rights' whatever."That is incorrect. The Bill of Rights attends to the rights of individuals, not of states. Try reading it some time."The first half of the 2nd amendment is the ONLY example of a right granted that comes with a declared limitation and allowable purpose."It is incorrect to claim that such is a "limitation." It is, more accurately, an explicit rationale. But in understanding the Constitution there is no implication that the explicit statement of a rationale therefore obviates other rationales. Indeed, you have to consider two other historical circumstances. At the time, firearms were not outlawed in the UK (whence many of our legal traditions originate). Moreover, at the time, the effort to seize privately held firearms (by the British authorities in the American colonies) were deemed by pretty much all of the signatories of the Declaration of Independence to be an act intended to consolidate executive power in the interest of tyrranny. Thus when the 2nd Amendment was written, the whole issue of confiscation of firearms in the service of tyranny was rather fresh on the minds of the Constitutional congress."The U.S. Supreme Court agrees with ME, the right to keep a well-regulated Militia belongs to the STATE!"That is an interesting claim. Especially since there are many states in which there are now private militias organized as civic bodies. Can you cite a source for that ruling?"Oh, and that nasty bit about guns killing the owners far more often than the owners kill 'bad' guys?Too bad I guess. There is a better answer."That is because firearms are the preferred weapon of choice in the United States for suicide. And yet, even in nations where firearms are banned, such as the United Kingdom, the suicide rate is about the same. QED."Outlaw the private possession of firearms."Lets outlaw the private possession of automobiles first. After all, you or I or anyone else here is far more likely to encounter sudden, un-looked-for death at the hands of a jackass running a red light than at the hands of a criminal of any kind firing of a gun.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

to JADemko:Thank you for the advice.(and for signing your post; a pox on those who post nameless prattle)Sometimes though, it is entertaining to verbally joust with members of the small-brained community.

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from duks wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Yes, we are a violent country, there are a lot of guns, there are a lot of people, there's a lot of strife in this country. But you know, we're a free country, we're pretty much the last free country in the world, and whenever you have a lot of freedom you're going to have a lot of people that abuse that freedom," he says. "You have to ask yourself as a society, ‘Are we willing to give up a lot of freedoms and become pretty much of a watchdog state, in order to try to prevent most of these?

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from Hector Sanchez wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Bigbenr, here you go spreading disinformation again. The Supreme Court of the United States has, to my knowledge, only ruled on one major Second Amendment case in the last hundred years. That's the Miller case and it does not, despite your beliefs, claim that the Second Amendment is a collective right of the states. It merely states that any weapon protected under the Second Amendment needs to be related to service in a militia. Period. Everything else the liberals read into it is pure wishful thinking.If you know of any other Supreme Court cases, please list them. Note, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is NOT the Supreme Court, so its opinions are only binding in its own circuit (the West Coast, basically).Furthermore, you misinterpret "militia" to mean "state militia." In fact, the "militia" referred to in the Second Amendment is the "unorganized militia," which is defined in Title 10, Section 311 of the US Code. It consists of all males between the ages of 17 and 45 and all female members of the National Guard. I merely clear that up because it's a commonly misunderstood point. It's only marginally relevant because the Second Amendment doesn't protect the right of the "militia" to bear arms, it protects the right of the "people" to bear arms. And throughout the Constitution "the people" is used to mean individuals and the words have been interpreted that way over and over by courts throughout the land.Finally, the militia clause is what is referred to by lawyers as "precatory language." It explains =why= the amendment exists, but it is in no way binding. Break the amendment into two parts, the militia clause and the people clause. The people clause is a complete sentence which works grammatically without the militia clause (the right of the people to bear arms, shall not be infringed). The militia clause is meaningless without the people clause (a well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state). Simple grammatical analysis shows which part of the amendment is the operative part and which part is simply explanatory.But I guess people just don't like logic....

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from tiredofthenoise wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

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from Yodel Hotel wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

In the words of Archie Bunker regarding hijackings of airliners:If you want to stop hijackings, when they're getting on the plane...just pass out the guns!

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from Been there-Done that wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

You better hide, bury, store anyway safetly also prevent rust, but you better do so soon. Afer the VT shooting, the Anti's will be on us hunters again. If the VT authories had done their job and let this shooter's thjoughts and actions be know to the Gov. as he was a Asian guy, this mess never would ahve happened to begin with., A guy who has mental problems is suppose to be on the NICS list as a non buyer. But as we all know, where there is a will, there is a way to buy illegal items. Be it baseball bats, knives, Auto,GUNS> So hunters, sport shooters, protect your hardware as a war is brewing fast.

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from Festingos wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Jim Zumbo would be proud

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from SHOOT2TH1LL wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20070419/cm_ucac/letsmakeamericaasadfreezon... its buy Ann coulter so im sure its to 'right' for some of you guys but read it. It makes some thigs clear

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

"You, blank, are committing the ultimate faux pas for a troll"Not all the blank posts are from the same person. I am the poster of the blank messages up to and including the one at 07:07 PM. The two following that are not mine. They are probably some right wing retard who stopped developing intellectually in third grade, who thinks such things as what he posted is funny and productive.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Linda G:Your post is very useful. Thanks for having the courage to make it, despite this being in a place where you might be concerned about getting a frosty reception.It is easy for 'gun nuts' to dismiss rants and rhetoric. But your very honest description of how someone very much on the other side of the fence feels is much more informative. I hope this will help us 'gun nuts' to find ways of pursuing our various gun-related interests is ways that do not cause you any distress.I hope some day soon some gun nut figures out a way to further demonstrate to you that guns (at least in the absence of bad people) are not in and of themselves bad.Michael M, Guelph Ontario

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from Fidel Lenin wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Comrade Cho, through his glorious sacrifice, has blazed the trail for the final downfall of decadent American capitalism! The running dog plutocrats of Wall Street and Washington rightly quake in fear at the imminent triumph of socialism! The inevitable outcome of the historical dialectic will be the slaughter of the parasitic capitalists followed by the establishment of a socialistic paradise where such basic needs as food and medecine will be freely and easily available to the proletariot. Arise, my American brothers! You have nothing to lose but your chains!Yes, I know that this is a cliched mass of leftist cant; but that, purely on its cold war nostalgia value, is really all that socialism has to offer.

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

If your goal is to spout leftist rhetoric, at least try to accomplish it with a little style and flair. You, blank, are committing the ultimate faux pas for a troll: you are boring. The next post is written by me to give you some idea how it should be done.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Yes, The New America will have socialism without borders.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Socialism is the only way out for the american people.Socialism Is Truth!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

"The first step in establishing a true dictatorship is to consficate private weapons and or ban private ownership of guns."Do you really think there's no other path to tyranny, that no matter how many other rights we lose, having a gun will keep everything thing free and fair?Again, there are places in the world swimming in guns yet they are hellholes. There are places in the world with no guns and they are nice places where people enjoy freedoms. There is no corrolation between more guns and a better society. The things that make for a good society are the things the Republican party is seeking to destroy.If all the other rights go away, having a gun won't mean diddly-poo.

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from SHOOT2TH1LL wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Im not gunna have Bigbenr educate me on what makes american boys men. Not from some guy with a 'life partner' thats for sure.

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from Linda G wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

I, too, have agonized over the "gun decision." At first, I swore my son would never have a gun. Then, when he confiscated all the toilet paper spindles for guns, I gave up and bought him a water pistol. My husband owns both a gun and a rifle (which I made him put away and render inoperable), and he and my son often play toy guns together and have the greatest time. (Oh, how I wish it were basketball or baseball!)I decided I needed to either change my attitude or go bonkers. I thought about the role weapons play in our society and others. In Japan (a much less violent society than ours) a warrior earns respect and honor. Native Americans trained young boys to become braves and thus reach a higher position in their society. I thought about the kinds of play my son did with his gun and other weapons; it was good guy against the bad guys. We rely on our police officers and our military to protect us from the "bad guys" and threats against our country. After observing my son and his friends, I have come to believe that this protective and fighting instinct is as natural as the nurturing and mothering instinct, stronger in some than in others.I explained to my son that the desire to protect others is a wonderful thing. Our society needs police and the military, and the person who risks his personal safety to help others is a hero indeed. It is okay for a little boy to play at these roles, but he needs to understand that fighting with others is not okay.In the meantime, I do not allow my son to watch violent programs on television, or movies containing violence.While I encourage him to play in other ways, I've accepted that he (and his dad) will continue to play guns and fighting games.--Linda G., Vienna, Virginia

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Michael,2 things:1. Please don't post that spurious Adolf Hitler quote.2. Bigbenr is punching every button he can think of trying to provoke a reaction. Best to let him grow bored and move on. He's not interested in debate.

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from Bushwacker#1 wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

LEE-Is that the same People's Republic that burned bodies in Tiananmen square a few years ago when the citizens were peacefully protesting civil rights?Yea...nice place to live thanks for the reminder.

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from Peter C wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Lee, are you posting from the People's Republic of Massachusetts or the People's Republic of California?

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from Lee wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

I am glad that you all see the decadence of your society and culture. Look to the East. Asian values are superior to western values. The western entertainment industry is rotten. We need controls on the stink that comes from Hollywood. In the Peoples Republic we are putting controls on this to protect the people from insanity. You see that too much freedom results in insanity. We are right in the Peoples Republic to reject western decadence democracy.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

to Bigbenr:"Today is a day that will go down in history. Today we have complete gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police force more effective, and many nations will follow our lead into the future."1. gun registration preceded gun confiscation.2. the police force was the Gestapo.3. The speaker of those words was Adolf Hitler in 1939.No private citizens had weapons to fight back and as a result, nearly 11 million died in Hitler's concentration camps.The first step in establishing a true dictatorship is to consficate private weapons and or ban private ownership of guns.Think about it.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Are We Steering Our Sons Towards Violence? The shelves are stocked with weapons of every kind, handguns, rifles, shotguns, submachine guns, GI JOE butcher dolls. Are you in the exhibit hall of an NRA convention? No. You're strolling down the aisles of a toy r us store in search of a birthday present for your six-year-old son.Buying toy guns for kids seems completely natural to millions of American parents. Yet, the same parents would not even think about buying guns for their little girls. When we encourage boys to play with guns, we must question whether or not we're socializing them to be violent maniacs.Playing cops-and-robbers or other "shoot the bad guy" games is often seen as innocent fun and a harmless rite of passage for little boys . It is certainly part of an American image of manhood success at violence is often equated with heroics, making men appear tough and macho. In fact, guns and other tools of destruction have long been associated symbolically with male sexual prowess.The weapon of destruction may be more sophisticated than the old six-shooter, but the game is basically the same: Bang! Bang! You're dead!In spite of peer pressure and TV marketing, and at the risk of disappointing your children, I strongly urge parents not to buy toy guns.

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from Sympathy wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Bigbenr: I apologize for whatever harm may have come to you as a result of a gun. It is obvious with the personal vendetta that you have engaged here that, as well as the fact that you visit other gun blogs while being anti-gun, that you have somehow been injured personally or know of some one close who was injured by a gun. For this I am sorry and any pain it caused you. However we here are not the ones who created the pain. Our guns are not the ones who did the damage. Therefore our guns should not be taken away. Our guns are handled and stored responsibly. Please accept my condolences, but please allow me the right to keep my guns.

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from Bushwacker#1 wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Social progams need to be funded Bigbenr.People like you look at Capital Wealth of a free market, then scream praises of a socalistic government.I agree with Peter C., we should have sympathy for you...please get professional help! Maybe you can find a socalistic doctor willing to help you for free?

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Bushwacker! As Franklin Roosevelt once said, "The only thing to fear is fear itself." ...

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Guns are not fun, they are not macho. " No, toys are fun, and guns are not toys. Some people don't enjoy shooting sports.No one needs an AK-47 to hunt deer.I sooo was glad when my gun-toting next-door-neighbor moved and took his arsenel [sic] with him for I always dreaded an accident. I fear guns. I don't see why you would be against licensing and basic government control of guns until you are either (a) a criminal or murderer or Robert Blake or (b) an anti-government nut in the lineage of McVeigh.Especially now, in the age of terrorism imported and domestic and violent crime, it all the more important for us to gain any control we can over guns and to try to keep them out of the hands of all the dangerous nuts on our streets.Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings.

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from Peter C wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Bigbenr is obviously getting off on sneaking into a gun owners' forum and making anti-gun, anti-sense asinine remarks. Either he is a troll, who deliberately spouts nonsense in order to provoke a reaction, or he is a rabble-rouser from the Brady camp. If he is - God help us - sincere, then he is a very sick person. He projects his own inner violence onto gun owners. He believes that if he owned a gun, he'd be unable to control himself. Therefore, we lawful gun owners must be as sick. In any case, this is a very troubled person, who needs professional help.

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from Bruce Piner wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Dave,I have photos of FDR shooting from a goose lump in the Pamlico Sound of North Carolina. Granted, he probably did not actively hunt after he was stricken with polio.

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from Bushwacker#1 wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

...so says Bigbenr the Great..

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

If Cho Seung-Hui had not been unreasonably fearful, had used common sense and not had a gun, a beautiful young man would still be alive. There are too many Cho Seung-Hui out there too many little people of limited social skills, limited practical intelligence and limited conscience who not only fail to think before they act but refuse to take responsibility for their actions.Our Constitution does not give us rights without responsibility, so where is the personal responsibility in this?We have the NRA to thank not only for the deletion of personal responsibility from the equation, but for all the people who will die as the result.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

((((We have seen the enemy, and he is pretending to be one of us.)))) Why do you fear Socialism? Do you catch what I mean? What do you think about universal health care? I think people shouldn't have to fear old age or getting sick.Do you hear me? No one should fear socialism. Socialism is human. Socialism is love. Fear breeds fear; guns breed death.The people who feel their lives are never going to be safe unless they own a gun or guns constantly bewilders me. What makes you people feel you are more valuable or important than the people you wanna shoot?

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from Black Rifle addict wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

"When the time comes and it will that n citizens are told to either voluntarily relinquish their guns or have them confiscated by either U.S. or U.N. troops."I guess Stalin was right-The threat to America's freedom will come from within.Oh, and Drug addicts don't "fear" like career criminals do, breakin perps are good at avoiding contact with homeowners-tanked up drug thugs don't...and they will harm "life partners" too. Wake up comic book reader-this is real World stuff.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

See Micheal Moore's Bowling for Columbine. The movie speaks for itself.

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from Peter C wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

We have seen the enemy, and he is pretending to be one of us. Bigbenr, you've made your point. Why don't you just go back to the Barack or Hillary blog where you came from?

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

((((Hey boys-this is GUN NUT BLOG get it?))))I've been watching this site for sometime now. I subscribe to a number of Usenet Newsgroups, and belong to a few Yahoo Groups and other online forums. This gun board has the best practice for tolerance.You guys have been sweeties and not like the other mean streaked gun boards I visit. I wanna talk about sensable gun laws , yes. Thats my hope. When the time comes and it will that n citizens are told to either voluntarily relinquish their guns or have them confiscated by either U.S. or U.N. troops.I am so tired of the NRA using the same old tired rheteric to kill any attempt to enact sensable gun laws. What is the deal with making people wait before selling them a gun. Maybe if we had stricter gun laws the kids at Littleton Colorado would still be alive today.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

((((Wait until some cocain addict busts your door down with a baseball bat and threatens to bash your wife's)))) I have a relationship with my life partner and "HIS" name is Erik.. Having Basically Secure Doors. An electronic keypad-dead bolt combination is our defense. The two things a nutso burglar fears most are being seen and exterior doors having heavy duty dead bolts and reinforced door jams.

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from Black Rifle addict wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Seems to me our plant from the anti's are the "no name" and Bigbenr-bloggers.Hey boys-this is GUN NUT BLOG get it?Wait until some cocain addict busts your door down with a baseball bat and threatens to bash your wife's head in for drug money..maybe you can tell him you didn't believe in violence and gave up your guns? Maybe he will still smash your head in after he takes said money and leaves?Right..wait until the sh*t hits the fan and we'll see how "outdated" you think the 2nd Amend really is!

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from Mike wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Bigbenr, I will agree with you on the gun show thing, but the other issue is do we just make it guns shows? or will it be from private citizen to private citizen? If so how can we make it so it doesn't cost you a fee every time you want to? Right now if you do not purchase a firearm from a brick and mortar store it would cost you a fee to have a background check done. As far as the VT tragedy, this guy went in a legally purchased a firearm after passing the required background check. So how do you change that? Removing handguns or "semiautomatic Assault weapons" wouldn't stop people, it just means they would go back to using hunting rifles like that guy back in the '60s at Austin, TX. When a Society gets away from a moral base, whatever moral base you choose, it will have an increase in crime and violence. If you look throughout history you will see this. I am not saying we necessarily need to follow a Judeo-Christiaqn moral base, but as a society you need to have a strong moral base to prevent society from tearing itself apart. Also, If you make the laws enforcable and have a judicial system where the punishment is actually served out for the crime, it makes the "average criminal" think twice about doing that particualr crime. At this point in our society, we have gotten so far off our moral base that I don't really know if we can get back. As far as the registering of gun owners and guns, the only thing this does is now create a way to track the law abiding citizens, it does nothing for the criminal element. And it gives another tool to the anti-gun lobby in the event of another situation like Hurricane Katrina, because now they have a list to go in and take away firearms instead of guessing. Even though it was ruled that this seizure was illegal well after the fact, it did nothing to help or protect the people who had their legal property seized illegally. Every time there is a tragedy like VT or Columbine, the anti-gun lobby uses this to highlight how deadly guns are, but it comes to light later that the tradegy could have been prevented if staff had done a better job of getting the incividuals the help they desperatly needed.Bottom line...Be afraid of anyone who wants to restrict or take away any of the 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights, because once they take away ant one of them, they have set precedent to take away all of them.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

The voting public wants common sense gun laws now.I cannot fathom why any law-abiding citizen would own an assault weapon or packing a pistol. Using a hunters sniper rifle during a hike through the woods on a cool autumn morning has no sex appeal.But semiautomatic guns aren’t used for safety or recreation; their rat-a-tat is meant to turn a civilian landscape into something resembling a war zone. This nation first restricted private ownership of fully automated weapons — that is, machine guns — in 1934. Why owning a Kalashnikov or an Uzi has a more acceptable public purpose eludes me.Most of the nation's 50 states do not require gun owners to be licensed or guns to be registered, nor do they require background checks for guns purchased at gun shows.Every state should license gun owners and register all guns thats not on the ban list.There's no reason this can't be done. We do this with cars and it doesn't limit anyone's freedom.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 3 hours ago

"What we are saying is both cars and guns are only accesories. And when stupid people dont know the their own limitations sometimes people die."That's like saying that while drinking and driving causes accidents, penalizing people for doing so would be infringing on their rights, that drinking and driving is just a fact of life.Is this event in VA okay or is it not okay? If you're happy with the status quo, if you feel that a massacre every few years is an acceptable price to pay, then I guess you can feel that though I strongly disagree. If you feel that what happened isn't okay, then maybe things need to change so that future such tragedies can hopefully be prevented.

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from SH00T2THR1LL wrote 7 years 5 hours ago

AMEN a gun in the hand is always better than a cop on the phoneTo blankWhat we are saying is both cars and guns are only accesories. And when stupid people dont know the their own limitations sometimes people die. Thats why you need to get educated before you start driving. Nobody blames the Porsche when it hits a child going 110 and the driver is drunk. So why does the gun get blamed not the shooter in a gun related crime?

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from Been there-Done that wrote 7 years 6 hours ago

I;m sorry VT had such an unfortunate situation, but when you got a deranged mind, anything is posible. How many people in Iraq are killed by bombs (non guns) daily. I have a carry permit and am a died in the wool hunter. My pocket gun, a 380 Kel-tec goes where I go if my pants are on.If one of teh students in VT had a pocket gun, don;t you think he would have taken a shot at the shooter????. If you were in a resturant, grocery store, ball game, etc, had you rather have a guy sitting beside you with a pocket gun if a robber appears, than to have a BEER. Beer don;t kill, but they do cause some idiots to Kill. Guns are designed for hunting, proctection and spot. You can eliminate all the legal gun ownes, but the crooks, deranged people, will yet have them. We live in a society that the Morals have gone to Hell in a hand-basket. BAck to VT, where was the security or police between the 2 shootings, which were 2 hrs apart.I will just continue to carry my pocket gun and try to protect my-self and family. But, when I go to the woods hunting, will have other firearms much more powerful like a 44 mag and a 300 Win Mag, etc. This nimrod in VT had given the school troble in the past and not they said the warning were many, why was he allowed to ramain on campus. If you behavior ws such in the work place you A-- would be fired. I feel sorry for the family's of VT studens and hope other schools take heed and respond before its too late. We citizens need to open our eyes and minds and if we see/hear something that needs looking into, for god's sake do it.

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from CB wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

Bigbenr, guns don't kill people, people kill people. If we outlaw guns only criminals will have them. I'm guessing you never had your house burglarized while you were inside. With out a gun you couldn't fight back. The real coward is the person that is afraid of guns and that would be you. So it is you that is the COWARD. You also claim that parents who take their kids out to shooting ranges are not responsible. You couldn't be any more wrong. Taking a kid out to the shooting range teaches them gun safety and responsibility. I was taken to the gun range when I was around eight years old. It was one of the greatest experiences of my life. I hunt and I fish. I enjoy those freedoms a lot. Any way why are you on a hunting website seems how it looks like you are against hunting ang gun ownership. Once again guns dont kill people people kill people, as I have never heard of a gun just walking of the shelf and shooting someone.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

"If banning handguns will prevent killing, then banning cars will stop drunk driving. Maybe banning computers will stop people like you from making asinine statements on the internet.Wake up Rosie, guns are not the problem. Pepople are the problem."What you are trying to say by talking about cars and other things is that events like this fall under the category of acceptable losses; having a mass killing every few years is just the price that has to be paid to maintain the status quo and that price is acceptable to you.So since people are the problem, we should ban people?

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from Willard wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

From the presidents that like to hunt!If I were you I wouldn't go hunting with the vice-president, he needs to get his eyes checked.

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from Mike wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

If you would look at the current laws they are adequate for gun control, but they are not being properly enforced....hmmmmmmm....

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from Mike wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

As i said earlier Bigbenr,AUSTRALIA ACTUALLY PUNISHES THE CRIMINALS WHO USE GUNS. THE CRIMINALS ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE PUNISHMENT WILL BE FOR THE CRIME, AND KNOW THAT A LAWYER WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET THEM A REDUCED SENTENCE.

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from Ed J wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

20,000 gun deaths.200 mureders100 times the rateinocent children being killed in large numbers,Where do these numbers come from?

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

"We don't need social programs!!we need more involvment in the church's & comunity"I don't have any faith in churches to provide the necessary things for a good society. Funny how you don't trust government yet you'll trust an entity that has absolutely zero accountability. Churches don't have to tell anyone what they are doing with the money they collect nor can they be held accountable for how they spend the money they collect.Again, why do conservatives hate the idea of self rule? Why do they want some father figure to do it all for them? Why do they want to politically emasculate themselves? Why do they refuse to be part of making the decisions on how to run our country? Why not just cut out the middleman and ask for a dictator?

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from Matt P. wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

We don't need social programs!!we need more involvment in the church's & comunity !!let me warn you , socialists like Bigbenr are going to be the down fall of this once great nation !!! Let's take her BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

Guns should be outlawed. We shouldn't need them. Think how many people are DEAD because of guns in our society. How many times do you read about somebody shooting up a school or their workplace?? Guns are for COWARDS. They are an EASY way for an inferior person to feel like a man. Show the thugs that they are not the men they think they are. They are cowards.Lets unarm people! don't think guns are a necessary part of a community, and nor should they be available to the public. In America, there are something like 20,000 gun-related deaths every year. In other countries, such as Australia for instance, there are around 200 MURDERS per year. that is 100 times less than in the states, and doesn't take into account killings by other means (stabbing etc.) I know the population of Australia is only around 20 million, but the statistics are still disproportionately high. Australia has some pretty tough gun control laws, and I can tell you now that it is very rarely that you hear of a gun-related death in the news over there. Furthermore, I don't feel that being a parent and taking your 16 year old kid to a shooting range could be considered "responsible" and nor would I consider that child to be well-adjusted. Just my thoughts, I know you'll all disagree and claim that its part of our rights as Americans, but I;m just not sure anymore whether it should be.

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from Willard wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

Law abiding citisens would give up their guns if the law said to. Criminals would not. Law abiding citisens would therefore render themselves defenseless. Criminals would not. A person who is mentally likely to commit a crime with a gun, would do so wether or not a law abiding person likes it or not. If they couldn't buy a gun, they could simply make one. you will not make a differance to the criminal, you will only make yourself an easier target for a criminal by leaving yourself and loved ones without the choice to protect yourself. The reason we are Americans today, and not Japanese, is because we have firearms and can defend ourselves. We are not Germans, because we can defend ourselves. We are not in death camps, because we can defend ourselves.No-one will snap their fingers and make all the guns go away. If you think that'll happen, you are saddly mistaken. If this "nut" that shot all those kids in Va. didn't have a gun, he would have used something else. Someone mentioned nuclear, now there's something to be afraid of, you'll never find a place far enough away to hide from nuclear. So if you want to live in paranoia, help yourselves. But your better off helping your children grow with a better understanding of love and morals. We can't turn the clock back. Enjoy your families for the "now", there's really no telling what tomorrow will bring.

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

(((London has low crime becasue its mainly full of Brits Prague has low crime because its mainly full of Hungarians get the point?)))You might have somthing there, Porcupine! So you're a racist?Whats new with gun toting racist?

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from SHOOT2TH1LL wrote 7 years 8 hours ago

Well to back pedal alittle. Bigbenr If the supreme court decided that somehow in the constitution that it is a womens constitutional right to have an abortion than im pretty sure that its my right to own a gunAnd as for the great prestiges Europeans. That whole not owning a gun thing sure helped when Hitler got control. He roled over the whole freaking continent and one of the first things he did in Germany was pass an all gun ban.And as for crime we must think what causes crime not what instraments cause crime. What causes crime is differances. Think about the major conflicts in Europe. Irish Catholic vs. British Protestants, Basque rebels vs. the spanish gov't, not to mention the intire Balkans. Also think of major conflicts in the past the crusades muslims vs. christians (not fought with guns). Or communists chinese vs. the national party. The bottom line is countries like Latvia dont have alot of crime becuase its full of Latvians.Here in america were are a whole melting pot of races. Here in california we have a whole influx of southestern asian which bring with them more racism than i've ever seen. Add 12,000,000 (ya count the zeros) undocumented s. americans and a couple million blacks who are still disgruntled about slavery and 'the man' plus a couple of white trash people who still think their 'superior' and you get violence. In the majority of gangs membership is decided by race. And as a result cities like Los Angles are virtual hotboxes of violence.London has low crime becasue its mainly full of Brits Prague has low crime because its mainly full of Hungarians get the point?

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from Mike wrote 7 years 8 hours ago

Hey Bigbenr,riddle me this? Why is it the liberals want to increase gun bans, but refuse to increase the punishment for using a firearm in a crime? And why is it the "liberal judges" who have consistently reduced sentences of "gun toting criminals"? The main differences between U.S. and Europe/Australia is unfortunately we have gotten soft on crime and refuse to get tough again whereas they have it in black and white. If we could get back to where crime and the punishment were set in stone and not negotiable, you would notice a decrease in all crime. Our prisions are not what they used to be, now prisoners get TV, A/C and many privaleges that almost 1/3 of our free citizens can't afford. As far as the social programs, If we would start holding our Government and politicians more accountable for their spending then we could afford to enact more social programs.

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from Mark wrote 7 years 8 hours ago

Bigbenr seems to becoming more shrill and frothing. Right?Hope he/she doesn't bust his/her keyboard. :-)

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 8 hours ago

(((((its so great over there, why haven't you moved over there?))))Right.Seems outlawing guns REDUCES crime, as long as you don't half-ass it.Carry a gun, go to prison. Gun crime goes WAY down, since 'outlaws' usually get their guns by buying them from 'citizens' or stealing them from 'citizens'.Just ask the FBI, they document about 2 MILLION cases a year. You keep ignoring the fact that the criminals with records CAN BE STOPPED if there is no ilicit source for weapons, because said weapons are banned.Now think it through.No private possession of weapons.No black market for handguns, Bolt sniper rifles,ak45 assualt ,m16 military rifles. You aren't going to risk prison for 2 or 3 years in order to go around armed looking for a target of opportunity.Unless you are TOTALLY stupid that is. Can we stop the Insanity? I do not, nor will I attempt to, uderstand the nra 's rational.

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 9 hours ago

I repeat for emphasis.YOU have no 'gun rights' whatever.The STATE has a right to a Militia.The first half of the 2nd amendment is the ONLY example of a right granted that comes with a declared limitation and allowable purpose. The U.S. Supreme Court agrees with ME, the right to keep a well-regulated Militia belongs to the STATE!Yeah, there's an idea.Armed teachers.So next time an unruly student irritates the overworked, underpaid, out of pocket spending teacher, s/he can just pop the little bugger.Oh, and that nasty bit about guns killing the owners far more often than the owners kill 'bad' guys?Too bad I guess. There is a better answer.Outlaw the private possession of firearms.Don't tell me it can't work, Britian forbids in-home possession of even shotguns, and lo, they DON'T have Columbines and the like.If we haven't the guts to try to stop the things from being sold, why not open up all the stops and let in nuclear weapons for every psycho?

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from Ed J wrote 7 years 9 hours ago

Hey Bigbenr,If its so great over there, why haven't you moved over there?

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 9 hours ago

"""President Bush is indeed a hunter""" The Bush administration has been shooting itself in the foot since it was installed into power. Of course shrub has continued the idiotic lagacy of Ronnie Raygun by slashing government mental health budgets...remember, Mr. 'Shining City on a Hill' was the one who emptied out the mental institutions and put all the disturbed people on the street...cut the budget for social programs! Cut taxes for the rich! Eliminate any semblance of government regulation of businesses and industry...let pollution and consumer/investor rip-off reign! Jettison a reality-based government for 'faith-based' solutions! The all-might market will reduce pollution, keep our food standards high, and take care of all of society's needs! Gun control is hitting your target! I used to be a republican...then I woke up...apparentlt one-third of Amerika's population is still in, and always will be in, the right-wing zombie trance. Go to bed at night asking yourself why in the hell all the nations in the European Union have vastly fewer gun homicides and suicides and accidental gun deaths than we do. Kindof takes all the wind out of the tired old mantras that 'If we take away the guns from law abiding citizens, then only criminals will have guns', as well as the tired old chestnut about redneck citizens needing guns to defend themselves from the possibility of their government turning autocratic...how many Euro governments have turned on their citizens in the last 60 years? The answer is for citizens to participate in their own governments (We the people...), not buy guns and bury them in PVC pipes in their back yards for 'the coming revolution'. Wake up, fellow Americans: We still have a great country, but we are behind the Europeans, Aussies, and Canadians on most quality of life measures (crime, pollution, education, health care and health of citizenry, social safety nets, and more. Are we really too arrogant to learn anything from the rest of the world? Sorry Ronnie Raygun...it is NOT 'Morning in America'...how about 'Mourning FOR America'. All you delusional cretans go pray to your God for all the good that will will do.

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from Mark wrote 7 years 9 hours ago

I think we’re at a crossroads, folks.I can’t believe the disgusting spin[s] I hear and read in the news and in this blog that is high jacking a tragic and most unfortunate event to further an agenda. Have these people no shame or values that will prevent them from using any issue, any event, sacrifice any ideal, subvert any policy to gain control?

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from Jethro Lilley wrote 7 years 9 hours ago

Two more things and I will shut up... Quotes from Benjamin Franklin:Anyone who will give up some of his freedom for a little bit of safety deserves neither freedom nor safety...and... We must all hang together or we will most assuredly hang separately.

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 9 hours ago

The government should ban all private ownership of guns, I say that you can't be too careful, and we must do this to protect the children. Citizens should not have the right to own firearms for self-protection, hunting, target shooting, and recreational purposes.The vast proportions of Americans recognize the reality that individuals do not have a legitimate need for guns.We must recognize that gun violence is a multi-faceted problem and requires a multi-faceted approach. We must recognize that as we sit idly by, that police officers and scores of innocent children are being injured or killed.They are weapons of war and are being adopted in large numbers by the most violent members of our society. Since Democrats first enacted the Military gun ban in 1994, there was a 84% reduction in the crimes committed by these weapons. Congress must act to re-enact the Assault Weapons ban.There is nothing "harmless" about firing a deadly weapon in even the safest of environments. It is just too risky. A stray bullet could richochet and hit someone. As you can see, any reasonable person would support the banning of all guns. Trust me on this, I was a fundamentalist gun owner for several years. I got out of the gun cult 3 years ago and would encourage others to do the same.It is clear to me that the 2nd amendment needs to be updated for the 21st century.Due to the Constitution's age and the present interpreting "arms" as guns and munitions.I want to stress that the Second Amendment is outdated.The idea of a bunch of nutso gun nuts armed with rifles and pistols going up against the world's most modern, best-equipped, best-trained army is so pathetically sad it's almost funny. I think we need teh adopt a United Nations type plan.

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from Jethro Lilley wrote 7 years 10 hours ago

OOOH! Mr. Bigbenr:A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.If you are going to quote the Second Amendment then you had better learn the wording.Our Country HAD an army at the drafting of The Constitution AND The Bill of Rights. The Militia was composed of ordinary citizens who answered the call of Patriotism with the guns that they used at home. Squirrel rifles. Shotguns. Granddad's old blunderbus, anything one could find AT HOME. No Where in the Constitution or The Bill Of Rights is the word People used to mean anything other than People. The word State meant State. The word Government meant Government.If The Right of the People means you and me in the First and Fourth Amendments, then why does it not mean the same in the Second Amendment? What about the Tenth Amendment, which reads: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively or to THE PEOPLE.Now what the Hell do you think they meant by THE PEOPLE?

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from Jethro Lilley wrote 7 years 10 hours ago

It was most certainly Lincoln who started the War of Northern Aggression when he called for 75000 troops and created an even wider division in the loyalty of the Border States.I do not know for sure if he hunted or not; however he did enjoy splitting trees in two; therefor the subsequent loss of habitat may have speeded the extinction of a species or two and should count for something.

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from KJ wrote 7 years 10 hours ago

Bigbenr,Though it may be difficult for you to be reasonable, consider for a moment the recent massacre of innocent and unarmed students at VA Tech. Firearms are off-limits on campus by law. The only person there with a gun was the bad guy.

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from Josh wrote 7 years 11 hours ago

Oops, not Steve C... The one after him, the anonymous (and obviously confused) "left wing" that won't put a name down.

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from Josh wrote 7 years 11 hours ago

If guns are banned, then only criminals, and not law-abiding citizens, could get their hands on weapons. Home owners would be defenseless from an attacker. And Steve C... Have you looked at the news? When was the last time Israel (or any of the Middle East) was a safe place? Social programs obviously haven't helped there.

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 11 hours ago

When the best miltary hardware in existence was black-powder rifles and the occasional cannon (a powerful but very hard to maneuver object). Today, the Army has fighter jets, rocket launchers, and any number of other weapons that it's already illegal for private citizens to own. Armed insurrection by the populace is not a realistic concern anymore it's a mad fantasy that no one but a paranoid nut could take seriously.The more assualt type guns are in circulation, the more chance there is that it will be discharged accidentally. I don't see why gun-crazys should be allowed to carry potentially lethal anything.By exercising their freedom, they are diminishing my freedom to live in a world where there is a low risk of being accidentally shot.Gun owners should be forced by law to turn in any or all semi-assualt guns and its military ammunition.It all goes back to an obscure centuries-old document called the "Constitution of the United States of America." Specifically, there is a part of this document (a late addition, not part of the original text) known as the "Second Amendment." It goes something like this:A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.It seems obvious that the authors of this document intended this amendment to be used to supply guns to the Army. At no point does it suggest that the average man off the street with no military training should be permitted to own a gun!The Second Amendment only protects the "collective" State right to maintain a militia, not an individual right to keep and bear arms.

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 12 hours ago

Why is it necessary to have guns to defend yourself? Ok, I get the point of self defense but in my opinion there would be no need for guns for self defense if guns were banned.Generally, I don't understand are gun laws. it's perfectly clear that the freedom of owning guns is a very significant factor in crime. The more guns around in unresponsible hands, the bigger possibility to get your head blown off for no reason. Just look at the other countries, people manage without guns under their pillows. And I bet that has something to do with lower crime rates as well.I'm just saying that is the freedom of having guns really worth it? Does it bring more good than bad with it? I really doubt that. Guns are made for killing. Nowadays, mostly for killing PEOPLE. I think there's something very wrong in the system if bearing guns is considered necessary needed.We need teh open our eye's people.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 12 hours ago

"no one seems to look at Israel to prove that gun/citizen ownership works"Guns or lack thereof do not make for safe societies. There are safe places in the world with virtually zero guns and places with ample guns. There are places in the world with lots of guns that are incredibly dangerous. What makes for a safe society, like what exists in Israel, is social programs, something the right wing hates with a passion (except when they are enacted outside the US borders).

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from Steve C wrote 7 years 13 hours ago

We are reminded every day that people with intent to kill can seldom be stopped.Existing laws and future laws have no bearing on this fact.

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from Peter C wrote 7 years 13 hours ago

I find it very disturbing that anyone on this forum would suggest banning handguns - or any species of guns, for that matter. I would hope that the writer who expressed these sentiments is in fact a "troll" or a plant from the Brady Campaign or some similar anti-gun group. We gun owners have our self-declared enemies...Schumer, Kennedy, McCarthy, Conyers, Biden, Clinton, etc., etc., ad nauseam. We do not need elitists or Fuddites in our ranks giving aid and comfort to these enemies. We must all hang together, owners of Perazzis and Hi-Points alike, or we will assuredly hang separately ...and you can bet your Pelosi on that!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 7 years 13 hours ago

Sorry-My last sentance should read"That's the fundatmental difference in our country"

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from Rusty in MO wrote 7 years 13 hours ago

I am amazed at the responses after the VT shooting. Concerns of the race of the shooter, was the gun registered, etc. As far as the Civil War there was nothing civil about it, more died in single battles than in Iraq to date; seven of eight of my GGrandfathers fought in it, for both sides, thats history, get over it. the one thing that has shown through is the freedom to express ourselves; this is a great thing. keep it up but keep it controlled and with a point to it. Good luck to all and keep talking about your beliefs but in less a rant.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 7 years 13 hours ago

To Unknown Author-I agree with you that law abiding gun ownership makes for mostly respectful people, not always of course, but most of the time...thus the respect to own the gun legally.As for able bodied people owning guns; look at Israel.I understand people use "Europe" as the example of non-gun ownership, but crime still occurs there and no one seems to look at Israel to prove that gun/citizen ownership works!Oh, I guess having to fight for freedom requires gun ownership,right? Our constitution was written to control the government not the people! That's the fundamental difference of country.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 14 hours ago

"Our enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe have already banned handguns in their countries and may wonder why we have not done the same in the US, especially with the rising crime rate and handgun violence statistics."I assume since they have banned handguns all the crime in their "enlightened" countries is gone?Personally I believe everyone should carry a gun, possibly a law requiring all able bodied and mentally competent citizens to carry? The majority of people I know who do carry are more polite and civil than most of the others in the unarmed population.Coincidence?Have you ever seen a fight break out in a Gun Shop? I haven't.Restaurants, yes. Offices, Yes. Gun Shops, never seen it happen, generally gun people are more respectful and polite than others I have encountered.

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from Black Rifle addict wrote 7 years 17 hours ago

To Bigbenr-I agree gun locks are a good idea, but they are only effective if the owner uses them. All reputable gun manufactures include it with their product. Here in Michigan, most retail stores give a FREE trigger lock even if the gun is sold with one from the manufacture.As for the NRA-There web site opens with a very heart felt condolence statement sending prayers to the familes and everyone effected by this tradedy.As for America's fascination with guns, most of the non-gun cultures wished they could have our freedoms to own them...it's not about guns but the RIGHT TO OWN THEM!!"Gun owners would rather have children shoot themselves" YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT?? Come now, we as gun owners can agree to disagree,but making a comment like that is offensive to us all!

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 18 hours ago

Va. Tech grieves & wonders what caused a student's rage the NRA is down playing this genocide.America's fascination with guns is well-known throughout the more civilized world. Our enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe have already banned handguns in their countries and may wonder why we have not done the same in the US, especially with the rising crime rate and handgun violence statistics.Now with terrorism, the threat of gun violence is even more real. Why do NRA madmen persist in their love affair with guns?They fight tooth and nails against trigger locks, even though trigger locks are proven to dramatically reduce accidental shootings. The gun owners would rather have children shooting themselves than have to store their guns responsibly. They also want all schoolteachers to be heavily armed, ostensibly as a "deterrent" against future Columbine like incidents. Of course they ignore the fact that using violence as a deterrent against violence never works (look how well the death penalty has cut the murder rate in the U.S.)it appears by arming schoolteachers their true agenda is to increase the amount of children removed from society as a result of accidental shootings.DON't put it past the none.

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from scott wrote 7 years 18 hours ago

Well, damn. It seems like those *($*%)( sonsof **(*^%) have done it again. I can appreciate the comments on Maher, Rosie and even, though I am staunchly conservative, Mssr. Lincoln. He was probably hated by as many in the north as he was in the south. But if we as a collective group of firearms users are to keep our butts out of trouble we'd best learn to put aside our small differences and remain loyal to our primary goal. Let us not fall prey to division from within. I'm afraid there is no wiggle room here.

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from Chucky in Kentucky wrote 7 years 20 hours ago

As an avowed southern right winger, I can say that I and the other right wingers I associate with, are not racists and dont see the world in black and white, but in right and wrong. It is the non-judgemental, feel good attitudes that allow a person to believe that his individual hurts are so bad that he can take them out on 60+ other people. I contend that if this mentally deranged person who was taught by liberal professors had not hurt these people with a gun, he would have done so with a bomb or by other means. Remember, there is evidence that the bomb threats sent to the University were sent by this person. We believe in the rights given to us by the Constitution of the US as well as by God, and yes, we will continue to fight and argue to see that these rights are not whittled away by those who have an unrealistic utopian view of what society should be.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 7 years 22 hours ago

I wanted to share this quote from an IFAW Relations Rep-It relates to hunting primarily, but I think it will help us to understand the mantality of thinking the anti's are using to take away our rights."For myself I can say I understand hunting for food but I don'tunderstand for sport. I don't think killing something live for pleasure(vs eating) makes sense. Maybe if the animals had guns or we hunted byhand but even then, I cant rationalize it for fun. I understand a lotof things are done, because they've always been done but that doesn'talways make it right. We would still have slavery if that were true andmaybe some other unpleasant things,too. Just for the record, I wouldn'tblame the hunter but the person who was not smart enough to stay awayfrom a wild animal! Again, Thanks for your comments and for expressingyour opinion in such a nice way. Have a great day."I believe in FREE SPEECH, but how could one debate against a group that compares hunting(as a tradition)to slavery of humans?We can have differences of opinions, but we need to stay focused as gun owners since liberal garbage like this is spread around..this kind of thinking from the IFAW is a threat to all our rights!

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from Rick wrote 7 years 1 day ago

As far as JFK goes, maybe he didn't hunt but he was an NRA member! He realized and respected the value of the 2nd.

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from SHOOT2TH1LL wrote 7 years 1 day ago

What about clinton bombing Iraq to take heat off the press from when we found out he LIED to the country while under oath.Amen to J.M.Ya the whole intire Civil war was about slavery. thats why less than half the people who fought for the south owned slaves. Very few people were big-wig plantation owners and the ones that were often got out of the war because they were rich (sound familiar) remeber history repeats itself.As for this whole gun control thing. Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie fat and like pencils mispell words. And heres a solution for you. How about kill stupid people. This guy at VT was showing aton of signs and yet the administration did nothing. HMMM dumb people teaching our kids. Thats nothing new.

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from Rick wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Come on, Dave. You like Maher? What's next? You sharing a couch with Rosie? Thank God most people view Maher as nothing more than a frustrated flip- flopping blowhard entertainer (remember when he was a Libertarian?) His tendency toward socio-fascism is despicable.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"I have counted only real wars, not casual bloodlettings like Ronald Reagan’s debacle in Beirut, or Bubba’s excellent adventure in Somalia)"It's nice that you feel the deaths of 241 US servicemen is such silly thing; just more 'support the troops' from the right. And Clinton didn't start the Somalia stupidity, that was just the right doing one of their favorite tricks of leaving a mess for a Democrat to deal with from the get-go. Bush didn't start the Somalia stupidity until after he lost the election.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"If banning handguns ..."Who said anything about bans? Why can't the right wingers think in terms that aren't just black and white? Why can't the right wingers take part in a meaningful way in self-governing?If you can't break from that mode of thinking, it will end up being black and white, meaning nothing will change until a total ban is enacted. Now is the time for the pro-gun crowd to offer solutions so that gun rights can be preserved. Why is this so hard for so many to understand?

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"Another putz that thinks the so called "Civil War" was about slavery. Try doing a little research and stop regurgitating what was shoved down your throat by revisionist historians."Go read the Confederate Declaration, putz, and stop bleating racist revisionist crap. They state directly, "increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery" as the reason for their actions in seceeding from the Union. Stop making excuses for the evil that was done. Stop making excuses for traitors to the lawful government of the USA.

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from J.M. wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"Mankinds human nature is the problem. Yes men used, and are using, religion to try to control others. Yes people use assorted weapons to kill others who don't give them what they want.Does this mean religion or weapons are the problem? No one in their right mind could say this. Take away a faith that speaks of love, compassion, peace, and selflessnes and you have self centered people who will do "whatever it takes" to have their will. Take away guns- they will use knives. Take away knives- they will use rocks or clubs. Take away those and these violent selfish people will kill with their BARE HANDS!The idea of taking guns away from law abiding citzens (a constitutional right as well as GOD given) will leave only the criminals with guns. This is what Hitler and other dictators have done throughout history to take control."Thank you. P.J. It's nice to know some folks out there get it.

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from J.M. wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"Another really stupid attitude. Why do you hate America as you hate the legitimate US government? Why do you side with traitors to our nation? Why do you like being associated with the evil of slavery and racism? This stupid attitude has to end else our country is doomed. Start being part of the USA, start working for a better future for the whole US."Another putz that thinks the so called "Civil War" was about slavery. Try doing a little research and stop regurgitating what was shoved down your throat by revisionist historians.

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from J.M. wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"Handguns are the problem."If banning handguns will prevent killing, then banning cars will stop drunk driving. Maybe banning computers will stop people like you from making asinine statements on the internet.Wake up Rosie, guns are not the problem. Pepople are the problem.

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from PJ Brady wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Like all (Ihope) the news of the shootings made me sad, sick, angry, and anxious. This type of offensive behavior will continue to occur, and should be expected, in a culture where right and wrong is left up to individual opinion and circumstance.Mankinds human nature is the problem. Yes men used, and are using, religion to try to control others. Yes people use assorted weapons to kill others who don't give them what they want.Does this mean religion or weapons are the problem? No one in their right mind could say this. Take away a faith that speaks of love, compassion, peace, and selflessnes and you have self centered people who will do "whatever it takes" to have their will. Take away guns- they will use knives. Take away knives- they will use rocks or clubs. Take away those and these violent selfish people will kill with their BARE HANDS!The idea of taking guns away from law abiding citzens (a constitutional right as well as GOD given) will leave only the criminals with guns. This is what Hitler and other dictators have done throughout history to take control.This must not happen or we will have nothing to defend ourselves from terror or tyranny. There are not enough military or law enforcement to help now! Do not ask me to trust anyone but a loving, all powerful, and rightious God who will prevail.

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from Biged wrote 7 years 1 day ago

(Handguns are the problem)Do we know if they were registered or not. And if they were registered how would that make a difference

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from Biged wrote 7 years 1 day ago

To: JA Demco,I have the right to say that, in 1967 I took one in the face and two in the back but we beat the butt face. While on the ground he shot me in the back.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Handguns are the problem. The pro-gun crowd needs to come to grips with that fact. In 2005, 72.6% of all murders were committed with guns and 87.3% of those guns were handguns (source: FBI Uniform Crime Reports). Handguns need to be registered and regulated. Clamp down on handguns as if the pro-gun crowd won't, then anti-gun crowd will clamp down on all guns. Preserve the right to own firearms as it is now for all the non-handguns.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"to those of us who are lucky (and smart enough) to live south of the mason-dixon line the Civil War is termed "The War of Northern Aggression"."Another really stupid attitude. Why do you hate America as you hate the legitimate US government? Why do you side with traitors to our nation? Why do you like being associated with the evil of slavery and racism? This stupid attitude has to end else our country is doomed. Start being part of the USA, start working for a better future for the whole US.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"the victms had to be stupid to stand there while he reloaded a few times."That is an incredibly stupid thing to say, said by someone who has never been in such a circumstance. You will freeze and/or run like everyone else.People say these things because they fear being in that very situation and feeling totally powerless against a totally crazy person. They have to think that they could change something that is a near hopeless situation.

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from JA Demko wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Gable Sadovsky,Is that the same war that up here we call The Failed Southern Rebellion?Dave Petzal,Glad to have made you smile; that's something I do too seldom for too few people. However, I appear to have not slathered on my sarcasm lavishly enough. I was mocking the hostility toward The Media rather than implying that you were some kind of corporate mouthpiece.

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from Gable Sadovsky wrote 7 years 1 day ago

To Mike Diehl,to those of us who are lucky (and smart enough) to live south of the mason-dixon line the Civil War is termed "The War of Northern Aggression".

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from Biged wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Well not with this thing yesterday, the anti gunners will go nuts. I heard on the news today that this idiod lined up the victms and shot them at least 3 times each, now thats 90+ shots, it must have been like in the movies he never ran out of ammo.One handgun was a 9mm, and one was a 22cal. well all i can the victms had to be stupid to stand there while he reloaded a few times. By god if i know i was going to be shot i would be grabbing someone while he was doing it, after he shot the first few.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"Have you heard anyone say we need to do away with religions?"There are plenty who want a secular society, to remove the influence of religion from the workings of our self-rule, to make religion incapable of starting atrocities.Why is everything have to be full-on, do anything you want or totally banned with the conservative side? Why can't they accept the responsibility of self governance, that it isn't always easy especially on contentious issues, that it takes work by us all to make it work right, that many things need regulation and control and that where the limits of that regulation and control should be needs thorough and level-headed discussion.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"With this latest lunacy in VA yesterday, it's not a question of if, but when they'll start all over again."If those who seek to keep the right to own firearms don't offer up solutions so that future tragedies like this can't happen again, then you won't be relevant when the legislation is passed to hopefully prevent future tragedies. The pro-gun crowd can't simply be in rear guard mode and hope to keep the right to own firearms intact forever. Stop whining about what the anti-gunners are doing and offer up something else.

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from Michael wrote 7 years 1 day ago

violence begets violence; hunters are cruel inhumane people; etc.etc. Comments along these ignorant Dr. Feelgood themes are always good for controversy & sometimes headlines which is free publicity. Throughout history more innocent people were slaughtered in the name of religon than in all the wars combined. Have you heard anyone say we need to do away with religions? Nope. Wish we could have another president like Teddy Roosevelt.

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from Dave Petzal wrote 7 years 1 day ago

To Ralph: I don't know a thing about Wal-Mart except that I buy my WV hunting license there every fall. I would tend to doubt that any maker would sell inferior stuff through Wal-Mart; it's still got their name on it.To Mr. Demko: Thanks for bringing a rare smile to my careworn face. I've been with F&S since 1972. In that time we've been owned by CBS Inc., Times Mirror, The Chicago Tribune, Time Warner, and three or four others that I'm forgetting at the moment. In other words, a major sampling of what you call "the media."Now in all that time and with all that ever-changing cast of corporate characters, I've seen greed, stupidity, incompetence, short-sightedness and self-interestt as a daily fact of life, but the one thing I've never seen was anyone trying to tell me--or F&S--what to say.It wasn't that any of these corporations cared about truth, or ethics. It was simply that no one saw a way to advance their careers or make more money by doing so. If someone thought they could advance from Senior Vice President to executive Vice President by dictating to us, they would have done so. But it never hapened.I do not expect you to believe this, but remember: I've been here and you are there. And thanks again for the smile.

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from jstreet wrote 7 years 1 day ago

It's amazing how few presidents (according to Mr. Petzal) were considered hunters.

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from Chad Love wrote 7 years 1 day ago

OK, I think we're sort of degenerating here and hijacking the blog but I've got to defend Maher as not nearly as "liberal" as a lot of you knee-jerk guys think. Like any independent-minded person, he's pretty much all over the board and there's no one spot in the idealogue matrix he occupies. In my book that's the mark of a thinking person.

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from John wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Man, Bill Mahar sucks more than anything or anyone that has ever sucked before. He is boring, pompous, and downright stupid. Yes, I will revert to grade school insults on this clown. Bill Mahar, you suck, you stupid poopy head liberal moron. The mere sight of your face and the sound of your voice makes me vomit.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 7 years 1 day ago

How do you know that Lincoln was not a hunter? It's not as though when he was a boy in rural KY or IL there were hunting licenses, with a requisite chain of historical documents that you can look to in order to establish that he wasn't issued a license.(And of course, Lincoln didn't "start" the War of the Rebellion. That is why in the U.S. Army's official history it's called the "War of the Rebellion.")

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from jdd wrote 7 years 1 day ago

If you like Bill Maher you more than likely admire Rosie. You can kiss my Republican ass and that goes for Field and Stream. I quit reading New York sh@# a long time ago

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from Dumba** wrote 7 years 1 day ago

David: This appears to be as good a time & place as any to tell you that your "Letter From Fuddville" in the May issue of F&S was right on the money. Thank you, and it's about time someone articulated it as well as you did. With this latest lunacy in VA yesterday, it's not a question of if, but when they'll start all over again. And if we don't all pull together, we are doomed.

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from Gable Sadovsky wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Not only is President Bush a hunter, but when he ran against the late Ann Richards for Gov. of Texas he and Ann made the front page of the San Antonio Express News. President Bush though was cited for shooting a protected species during dove season.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Dave-I read a book about Harry S.(S was just an "S" by the way and was not a name abbreviated)Truman in which he was a farm boy that grew up with firearms but after his tour of duty with WWI did not fancy anything to do with them again...I do have another question I left on your "guilty" blog in which I wanted to know if you have any concrete facts on the Wal-Mart special gun run order that other bloggers were debating about?I would think that manufactures would not engage in this type of quality issues if not for the product reputation, at least for safety issues?Your thoughts Sir Petzal?

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from Chad Love wrote 7 years 1 day ago

...and of course Bill Maher is a jackass, but in the confederacy of dunces that is modern American culture you have to do a lot braying to get your point across all the white noise.

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from Chad Love wrote 7 years 1 day ago

I don't quite get the whole media bashing thing. If by "peddling" you mean the free and open exchange of ideas, then yes, I'll continue buying. There's a very good reason the press is called the fourth estate. Despite what a shocking number of the American sheeple think, "The Media" is an absolute conrnerstone of democracy, whether it's a blog, a newspaper, magazine, talk radio, whatever. That's why I think it's very easy but very dangerous to retreat into our own little special-interest echo chambers.That's why I still listen to Bill Maher, still read Kurt Vonnegut and still follow this (among other) blogs. I like contrarian points of view, and just because F&S happens to be owned by a corporation doesn't mean there's an underlying corporate-planned ulterior motive behind everything.Hell, I read the New Yorker (well, i try anyway. I don't always understand it, I do it mainly to learn big words and look smart) and it's owned by Conde Naste, one of the biggest print media giants out there. I certainly don't feel peddled to by them, just as I don't fell peddled to by this blog.

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from MJK wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Your problem is that you watch Bill Maher. He is a jackass.

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from David wrote 7 years 2 days ago

Yes, Mr. Demko, I shall continue buying what he is peddling.

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from JA Demko wrote 7 years 2 days ago

Dave Petzal, for good or ill, is part of the media. He writes for a magazine that is only part of a larger media corporation. Shall we buy what he is peddling?

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from SH00T2THR1LL wrote 7 years 2 days ago

Instead of vaguely bashing the right-wing with horrible infinitives (a bad thing to do in any arguement). Lets talk about the blog.It is humorous how many uneducated people probably believed Bill Maher. We need more Dave Petzals in this world. To many people just buy everything the media peddles.

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from PbHead wrote 7 years 2 days ago

If I wanted political crap, I would visit another blog. Believe me, I live in Illinois and I swim in it everyday.

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from Peter C wrote 7 years 2 days ago

What's the story on Field & Stream giving free ink to the newly-formed Union Sportsman's Alliance, an anti-gun group established to counter the NRA's appeal to union members? Apparently, the Dems are all upset that union members who are also NRA members are voting against anti-gun Democratic candidates who are supported by the union bigwigs. I guess it's a matter of priorities: what's more important, supporting your union and its agendas, or preserving your God-given right to self-defense?

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 2 days ago

"Vietnam, entered into by John F. Kennedy"At least try to learn some history. Vietnam started under Eisenhower. Kennedy wanted to end our envolvement in Vietnam but was killed before he could do so. We were pulling out our advisors at the time of his assassination. Then Johnson manufactured the Gulf of Tonkin incident and ramped up our commitment.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 2 days ago

Since when did Bill Maher represent all of the media or all of anything? The right wing just loves that feeling of persecution, so much so that they have to manufacture it when there's nothing readily available.All the things the right-wingers supposedly care about, especially gun rights, are going to be lost as the right-wingers are firmly stuck in delusionland. The right has been wrong about everything for over a decade. The stubborness to change and compromise can only hold out for so long and when change does come, you won't be part of crafting the future; those on the other side will show you the same consideration as was shown to them. You hated the idea of Democratic Party rule yet you've made sure that will be the case for at least the next decade.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 2 days ago

"Civil War, entered into by Abraham Lincoln, a non-hunter."Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner in the "Dumbest Thing Ever Said on the Internet".

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from Chad Love wrote 7 years 2 days ago

Oh, yeah, W is a big bird hunter... meadowlarks seem to be his favorite target.Dave I'm glad there are other hunters/shooters out there who aren't so doctrinaire about the public figures they admire.Bill Maher (along with the sadly passed Kurt Vonnegut) is a satiric hero of mine although I obviously disagree completely with his position on hunting (as I did with Vonnegut's on guns in general).

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from Dave Petzal wrote 7 years 2 days ago

To Ralph: I know about Lincoln. Who else?

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 7 years 2 days ago

Don't forget that a number of these former presidents were excellent marksman, so GUN NUT may actually apply here? Should be start a HUNTING NUT to make sure we do not offend those killing paper targets?

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from Dave Petzal wrote 7 years 2 days ago

To David Keith: Are you the actor of that name? Also, I believe that although W hunts birds, he doesn't do it very much; not nearly as much as he fishes.

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from David Keith wrote 7 years 2 days ago

President Bush is indeed a hunter. He hunts birds in Texas.

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from David Keith wrote 7 years 2 days ago

President Bush is indeed a hunter. He hunts birds in Texas.

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from IrishmanW.S. wrote 6 years 6 weeks ago

It's nice to hear that themilitary has a ray gun that work's?why not mount one on the front of any vehical, and on the lead veh.to search and destroy,? for roadside bombs or what ever.

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from IrishmanW.S. wrote 6 years 6 weeks ago

It's nice to hear that themilitary has a ray gun that work's?why not mount one on the front of any vehical, and on the lead veh.to search and destroy,?

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from Bill (Not Maher) wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I'm willing to bet that Bill Maher and others like him never served a single day in the military. If they had, it may have allowed them to view things in a different light.I can't stand Bill Maher.

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from austin wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

what is with all of the gun haters on this blog, i think they are probes from anti gun orginisation, if you like guns go to http://t-o-s-c.weebly.com it is pro gun and has info on guns, the second amendment forever

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from Black Rifle addict wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

Hey peoples-Lighten up on the God fearing bloggers here. I have faith, and try to practice what I preach each day. Am I perfect? Not at all, but at least we have insight to what others are saying here. It's the quiet ones we need to be concerned about.

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from tsavo303 wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

Look you Godless heathens, true Mormons “believe in their hearts” that God provides personal revelations. 80% of Mormons vote Republican BECAUSE Jesus directly tells them too! The other 20% aren’t true Mormons and THOSE are the ones on the “black-list”. Question the party? Question Jesus!! It’s pretty simple.

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from sam wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

is destry for real. how is it possible that people can be considered sane that have his view points?

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from Been there-Done that wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

Presidents going to war; Our present "President" is no HUNTER, but our "VP was"? So suppose out modern day President went to war with no knowledge of hunting or what the end results could be. Do believe a hunters safety course is in order.Now lets see, is a single bbl shotgun or single shot 22 cal rim fire his best choice, 0' I just recall, a sling shot would be better for a beginner.

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

If you menat that ironically...bravo!If you really meant that, you are one seriously effed-up person.

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from Destry wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

It Was A Spiritual WarningThe gunning down of 32 teachers and students at Virginia Tech was a spiritual warning for America. It was instigated by an entity that possessed the body of Cho Seung-Hu. The act of bloodshed was filled with symbolic information for subconscious impact. Its purpose was to shock Americans into turning away from the politics of warmongering, pain and suffering, and to turn, instead, to a path of unconditional love."The purpose of evil is to inspire all that is good!"You should note that the timing of the Virginia killings coincided with the U.S. Supreme Court's decision that same day to ban partial birth abortions, a ruling that many believe will be a first step toward reversing the controversial Roe vs. Wade ruling that makes abortions in the United States legal.This ruling, by a court stacked by the Christian-oriented Bush Administration with ultra conservative judges, is "an assault against women in terms of psycho-sexual freedoms, choice and personal power."Be warned that the stage is being set for a new wave of racial and sexual discrimination in America that is already beginning to be seen in the daily news. The Don Imus case is the most recent example.The old battle of the sexes, pitting man against women, is always visible just before great world wars. "We are on the brink of social discord." These things foretell of World War III, which is a growing threat as world powers square off over issues in Iran.The suicidal acts by 23-year-old Cho Seung-Hu, were sparked by the rejection of one, if not more than one woman. Police in Blacksburg, where the shooting occurred, said they investigated two separate stalking complaints against Cho by university women during his time at the school.It was said that the first shooting incident involved the murder of a woman in one of the dormitories following an argument.Among the many statements in his so-called manifesto, Cho said: "You have vandalized my heart, raped my soul and torched my conscience. You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people."Artwork found in Cho's personal effects included delicate drawings of praying hands over a rose and a male angelic figure kissing a tearful female angel in the clouds. The female's face is turned away as she receives the kiss on her cheek. Both drawings symbolize a Christian influence, even though Cho denounced Christianity in his final video messages received at NBC headquarters on Wednesday.Strangely, just as in the murders committed by Chicago's Christian serial killer John Wayne Gacy, this young man left 33 victims, one marking each year in the life of Jesus Christ. You should note that the news counts 32 victims, but Cho also took his own life, thus claiming the 33rd victim. That he identified himself as a sacrificial victim was significant. As a possessed young man, his life, indeed, was sacrificed by the entity as a means of delivering this powerful message.Monday's tragic event at Virginia Tech has even more twists within its symbolic spiritual message.At this time of year young men are experiencing a natural biological calling to sexual union because it is a time of the year when testosterone levels are raging through their bodies. This has often been referred to as the rites of spring, and are still celebrated in many countries with such events as a dance around a maypole and other pagan gatherings. The maypole, of course, represents the erect male penis.Women of the world are called to be aware of the subtle power they possess over men, and to be sensitive to the vulnerability of the males at this time of the year."Women need to understand this power." Truth be told it is the power of the Kundalini, or that coiled force believed by some to be curled up in the back part of the root chakra at the base of the spine.The symbol of the Kundalini is found in the Genesis story that tells of the serpent that tempts Eve in the Garden of Eden. It also can be found in images of the human DNA coil, as well as the medical symbol of the caduceus, or magic wand of the Greek god Hermes.Cho slammed us all with a powerful message that should make us take a long look at the spiritual and political direction this nation is moving. The growing threat of expanding our military conflicts in the Middle East with an attack on Iran is one of the most deadly and spiritually troublesome things we could do.Truth be said the choice for all of us, especially in choosing our next president, will be that of picking a leader that will be soft on war, or choosing another Christian warmonger like George W. Bush.It will be a choice between hate and pain and suffering, or love.A wrong choice will mean a global war. It will mean a return of the draft, and hundreds of thousands of young men and women of the same age group that perished in the Virginia shootings could be slaughtered on the battlefield. This is the probable penalty of choosing wrong.There is one final symbolic mark to this affair that cannot be overlooked. There is a U. S. Senator representing the State of Virginia who offered public words of comfort on Monday after hearing of the shootings. His name is the same as Presidential candidate John Edwards, except he has a middle initial S in his name.The appearance by Senator Edwards was a subconscious message to everyone that the presidential candidate by that name is the right choice if America wants a president that will be "soft on war" and lead the nation on a pathway of love."Edwards is our next to be in the office and he will stand for love when he is introduced to an Iranian wife bonding our two countries,""This is a message from God. It is a divine message of love verses ego and war. It is our choice in the next election.""The whole thing is obvious enough that everyone can feel it."

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

I used to exchange emails with John Melvin Davis sporadically. They were completely different from his on-line Gunkid persona. In those exchanges, he was always friendly, reasonable, and well spoken. If this is the same guy, he won't get out of prison until he is a very old man, if he ever gets out at all.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

No, just blame the dead people. Wrong place, wrong time.hehe. As a person who lives in a community dominated by a college campus, I would be very leary about drunk childrens with guns in their rooms. They seem capable of doing plenty of damaage without guns.The problem is things will never change for good, law abiding Americans. Every elected President is in debt to the NRA for NRA votes when he gets into office. Along with all the other lobbies. The silent majority give their votes away for false promises and false hopes.That coupled with the fact that big business 'owns' politicians on both sides of the house, (you don't think they gamble on one horse in a two horse race do you?), means you better get used to it. Big tabacco, big weapons pushers and big oil have told 'bought' Dems to leave Bush alone. Profits could be hit by political instability. Where's Charlton when we need to see somebody who has really sold his soul to the corporate capitalist devil?? hehehe.You live in a civilised world where the citizenry are better armed than the police. You live in a civilised world where your neighbour could have a weapon more suited to the battlefields of Iraq than suburbia. You live in a civilised world where corporate greed comes before the lives of your young and innocent.

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from Toad wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

John Melvin Davis, Gunkid, is doing 10 years in federal prison on weapons charges. I heard about the anthrax story on another board.Didn't know if it was the same guy because the gunkid is age 53?

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

John Melvin Davis...Gunkid did all that?

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from sam wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

jerry,i really appeciate and intelligent individual. heck maybe we ought to vote you president, i mean for gods sake you are the only person so far that has done your research thuroughly enough to actually have a valid opinion, if this is an example of how you are about making any case then hell you would have my vote. the gun world could really use a promoter such as yourself, as you said all the stats that the anti's use are the gun related crimes in countries that have restrictive gun laws. they never use switzerland and they dont use the close contact crime rates either. i appreciate a voice of reason.sam

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

I'm charged up after my appearance with Jim on CBS's Face the Nation Sunday morning. And I'm even more excited that so many of you have taken action in the wake of last week's tragic shootings at Virginia Tech.More than 50,000 calls and emails have been made to our elected leaders to ask them "What are YOU going to do about gun violence," including thousands to President Bush, Speaker Pelosi, and Majority Leader Reid.This pressure is absolutely critical if we don't want our leaders to retreat and do nothing after offering condolences.So thank you! But we need to keep that momentum going. Please support our efforts today.Why do we have to keep the pressure on? Because every day in America, 32 people are murdered by guns. The same number that was killed last Monday.A supporter last week had the great idea of asking her friends to donate $32 to the Brady Campaign. So we are asking you to do the same now. Please give $32 today.Despite the daily toll of gun deaths, Congress has done nothing. And to help your Brady Campaign keep the heat on Congress, we are asking you for your financial support right now.As a nation, we can do better. And to keep the dialogue going and the momentum building to find a solution, please keep asking the question "What are YOU going to do about gun violence in America?"Sincerely,Sarah Brady, ChairBrady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

John Melvin Davis, 49, will remain in Federal custody while he awaits trial on charges of sending threats and hoaxes by mailBigbenr 4/27/07 7:28PM *John Melvin Davis, 49, will remain in Federal custody while he awaits trial on charges of sending threats and hoaxes by mailBigbenr 4/26/07 3:13PMPost: #1John Melvin Davis, 49Spider7115 11/28/06 9:01PMPost: #1John Melvin Davis, 49Spider7115 11/28/06 10:41AMPost: #1John Melvin Davis, 49Oklahoma Nov 27, 2006 (AP)— A man charged with mailing more than a dozen threatening letters containing a white powder to celebrities, politicians and other high-profile figures has been arrested while in federal custody on unrelated charges. John Melvin Davis, 49, will remain in Federal custody while he awaits trial on charges of sending threats and hoaxes by mail.He is accused of sending the letters to comedians Jon Stewart and David Letterman; Democratic Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California; Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer of New York; MSNBC host Keith Olbermann; and Viacom Inc. chairman Sumner Redstone.Some letters included phrases like "Death to Demagogues" and pictures of victims of the 2004 Asian tsunami, authorities said.The powder in the letters turned out to be harmless but it raised fears of another anthrax attack similar to the anthrax-laced letters that killed five people just weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.The count of sending threats by mail is punishable by up to 10 years in prison. Sending false information or hoaxes by mail carries up to five years in prison.

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from Been there done that wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

To Paul: who is the big gun silly you refer too???? If was directed to my letter about your comments, I never mentioned big guns, other than a 44 mag, which is not a carry gun, it's a hunting gun.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

It is a very hard-hearted, self-absorbed and out-of-touch human being who can think that he represents the rest of us when he defends the right to bear arms . I feel sick for all the students, families, staff and administration of that school. I want them to know that I am ashamed of our President and to assure them that he does not speak for me. My heart goes out to everyone hurt by this tragedy. I feel strongly that that is most everyone. It's beyond shocking that the president's first words would be a defense of the right to bear arms. Right now isn't the time for that! Couldn't he have just issued a statement expressing shock for what happened and condolences for the family and friends of the victims? I expected nothing less from this administration. As I recall, in the aftermath of the Al-Queda attacks on the World Trade Venter and The Pentagon, Then Attorney General John Ashcroft did not want law enforcement agencies to be able to access information about Al-Queda terrorist cells purchasing firearms.I wish The Bush Crime Family upheld and defended the rest of my rights as vigorously.

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from DueceII wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

gunbreaker will exploit your IP like Fudgebar's, stay away from it!! http://forums.gunbroker.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=4

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from dkb2003 wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

First, while callous and insensitive, this is not a new low for Bush. He *has* done much worse. If you've only just now realized that he is a sociopath, then you haven't been paying attention.Second, I doubt if Little George was all that sinciere about the "right for people to bear arms". He also said "all laws must be followedi, and we know he doesn't believe that.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms? Truly sickening. Maybe the president thought this kind of disgusting knee-jerk right-wing orthodoxy would go down well in Virginia, where gun culture has a strong and historical hold, where the "pry it out of my cold dead hands" line is still a sure crowd-pleaser. But I'm betting it won't. I'm betting that the parents and siblings and partners and teachers of those thirty-three students are appalled by this disgraceful excuse for a national figurehead, whose first instinct in the face of tragedy is as it has always been to cover his own political ass.I'm sure we will hear from them eventually. But it may take a while, because, unlike President Bush, they've got some real and difficult human emotions to work through first. I am so sorry for them, and for everyone at Virginia Tech, for what has happened today, and for the fact that the president of their country is too self-absorbed to have really noticed.

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from Paul wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

stop it you big gun silly

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from Been there-Done that wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

If anyone of the classmates at VT had a carry permit, and had a pocket gun, wonder how many lives would have been saved. I have a carry permit, and my pocket guns goes where I go, if I;m wearing my pants, which I usually do.All gun owners should be responsible for their action, even if not a carry permit is allowed. Prior to my state approving the carry permit, I carried a small pocket gun for 40 yrs. Never have looke for trouble, but do not care to have some jerk shot me without a struggle. I also am a big game hunter, and when I hit the woods, my 44 mag goes also,.Be suprised at the looks I ahve received over the years while huntiong, when a un-known person walked up to me and I made a point to pull back my jacket to let him beware the long gun ws not all I was carrying. Do believe many times the handgun prevented a robbery or worse.The officials in teh county where VT is located dropped te ball on this guy. Why was his record not available to the shop where he purchased his guns>>?????? Others are to blame as well as the shooter in my book.Best I recall, a Judge imposed on the shooter to check in with some knee jerk official weekly, but he did not. Why was a warrant not issued for the shooters arrest, . Theye are many in VT who must share a portion of this terrible shooting. This guy planned to kill all in that classroom, I under over 300 rounds were fired??? but thats the media side of it. I'd rather be setting beside a guy with a gun showing, than a guy with a beer. Better pay attention to strange acting jerks next outing.

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from Been there-Done that wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

If anyone of the classmates at VT had a carry permit, and had a pocket gun, wonder how many lives would have been saved. I have a carry permit, and my pocket guns goes where I go, if I;m wearing my pants, which I usually do.All gun owners should be responsible for their action, even if not a carry permit is allowed. Prior to my state approving the carry permit, I carried a small pocket gun for 40 yrs. Never have looke for trouble, but do not care to have some jerk shot me without a struggle. I also am a big game hunter, and when I hit the woods, my 44 mag goes also,.Be suprised at the looks I ahve received over the years while huntiong, when a un-known person walked up to me and I made a point to pull back my jacket to let him beware the long gun ws not all I was carrying. Do believe many times the handgun prevented a robbery or worse.The officials in teh county where VT is located dropped te ball on this guy. Why was his record not available to the shop where he purchased his guns>>?????? Others are to blame as well as the shooter in my book.Best I recall, a Judge imposed on the shooter to check in with some knee jerk official weekly, but he did not. Why was a warrant not issued for the shooters arrest, . Theye are many in VT who must share a portion of this terrible shooting. This guy planned to kill all in that classroom, I under over 300 rounds were fired??? but thats the media side of it. I'd rather be setting beside a guy with a gun showing, than a guy with a beer. Better pay attention to strange acting jerks next outing.

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from Mark Moberly wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

For those who state that they were marksmen even though they weren't hunters- As head honcho over the armed forces they should be able to handle a gun- duh!

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from Iroc Bob wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago
from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

"The vast majority of academic research finds that concealed handguns significantly increase violent crime."That claim is not correct. The limited academic work done so far does, in fact, seem to demonstrate the opposite. In the United Kingdom, you are as likely to have a handgun pointed at you as you would be in Los Angeles California, and more likely than you would in Chattanooga Tennessee. And the UK has banned private ownership of handguns for years.Worse still, the "contact crime" rates in The UK, Belgium, France, Denmark, Spain, Germany, and Italy are typically greater than they are in the US.. in some cases by a factor of two or three. A contact crime is a crime where the perp confronts the victim and uses or threatens violence (rapes, assaults, muggings and the like).It is quite clear that violence in general and firearms violence are strongly associated with dense urban conditions, poverty, and criminal organizations, not with legal firearms ownership as such.

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from Slow Hand wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

What if the handguns actually disappeared? Banning guns could save lives.Banning guns from the workplace seems like the obvious way to prevent workplace violence and gun-free zones may appear like the solution to gun violence.The vast majority of academic research finds that concealed handguns significantly increase violent crime. We need to ban guns.Actually I'm sure it would save lives. I do believe that properly implemented strict gun control would save a lot of lives, but I don't see it ever happening in this country because criminals would be afraid to break the law by getting an illegal gun.Just some kind of heavy regulation could help. In Australia, they have a ban on all automatic and most semi-automatic guns, as they don't really serve a purpose other than killing people.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

I can live with that Zulu7!!

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from Zulu7 wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Ralph the Rifleman sounds of the stud muffin looking fur action?

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

to: J.M.Demko's rant against me started over a comment I had made against the ACLU...I tried to convey the point of right-vs-wrong, verses what the issue the ACLU makes about searches..which lead into the responsibility of police. I never stated that law enforcement was my personal body guard, but if a Felony/Crime is being committed in their presence, they are empowered to enforce that law being broken-(Like an armed robbery against you while standing at a bus stop)-and as citizens we have that power as well(Felony crimes). Concerning the legal defense in court of one's actions after the fact is another story. I guess the idea of "protecting" someone is being misunderstood here. Unlike the ACLU I don't challenge the searching of bags to curtail a potential public bomber, then lay restricts of passage into an office.Searches, even in a Free society, are necessary at times, in my opinion...such as I don't speak for Demko--the ACLU doesn't speak for me, either. Neither do I reduce my OPINION to insulting someone else--None of you know where I have been; so insults are like A**holes-Everyone has one, but some stink more then others.

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from Zulu7 wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Pink Pistols Splash Page www.pinkpistols.org/ Thirty-one states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "--Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000We did. There are now over 35 Pink Pistols chapters nationwide, and more are starting up every day. We are dedicated to the legal, safe, and responsible use of firearms for self-defense of the sexual-minority community. We no longer believe it is the right of those who hate and fear gay, lesbian, bi, trans, or polyamorous persons to use us as targets for their rage. Self-defense is our RIGHT.The Pink Pistols get together at least once a month at local firing ranges to practice shooting, and to acquaint people new to firearms with them. We will help you select a firearm, acquire a permit, and receive proper training in its safe and legal use for self-defense. The more people know that members of our community may be armed, the less likely they will be to single us out for attack. Join us today. It is your RIGHT.

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from Jerry Nussbaum wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

I find it interesting that when people cite gun laws in Europe, and there supposed resultant public safety, they always leave out the most impressive example. Which European country has the lowest overall crime rate, lowest violent crime rate, and highest standart of living? Switzerland. Which country requires that all men age 18-65 own an 'assult-style' (actually military issue) rife? Switzerland. What European country worships championship marksmen like Superbowl MVP's, has a love-affair with guns that would make the NRA blush, and hoards ammo at a rate that would make the most UN-fearing American gun-nut jealous? Switzerland. In fact, there are parts of Switzerland that make would make Texas look down-right progressive on most matters, including firearms. Yet, you only hear about England and France and their restictive gun laws. I guess if they mentioned that these places were less safe than Switzerland, then the audience might not draw the intended, yet erroneous conclusion.Remember, all of the deadliest civilian tragedies in modern western history have involved exactly zero guns (9/11, World Trade Center Bombing, Oklahoma City Bombing, Spanish Train bombing, etc). The last time I asked, you didn't need a FBI background check to buy fertilizer or box cutters. This is because these items have multitudes of practical uses other than killing innocent civilians. The Swiss have realized this about guns. I can only hope that the rest of America eventually will as well.

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from BCR9000 wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Sad but True......Parts available OFF the InternetIn Response To: It is funny how Dana Reed can still be selling Lots of Victims out there NOT using the Internet.....Ever see a Dana Reed WARNING .... Posted in ShotGun News or GunList ?and don't forget GunBrocker.com actually SUPPORTS him by allowing him to post there......so Boycott GunBroker.comThe guys a Turd...plain and simple

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

The problem of course will be in determining the difference between "common sense" and "bs" gun regulations.And I still think the paranoia about firearms is misplaced.Lifetime odds of any particular American dying in an automobile accident -- about 1 in 78.Lifetime odds of dying in an "assault by firearm" are 1 in 314.It is thus demonstrated that elevating firearms injury risk reduction ahead of other sources of risk reductino is illogical on the basis of empirical facts.These figures from the US National Saftey Council (an NGO 501C3 risk and injury tracking organization founded by the United States Congress in 1913 for the purpose of tracking workplace and other injuries) at:http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm

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from Rick Earl wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

It is my deep belief that shootings like these are enabled by the unparalleled ease with which people procure weapons in this country And I believe this will reignite the dormant effort to pass common-sense gun regulations in this nation.We hunters should be behind these efforts and show the politicians that these acts are done with non-hunting guns.

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from J.M. wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

" "The police have a duty only to protect society, not individuals."Huh????JA Demko-I think it's better to understand that we all have an opinion in a FREE SOCIETY, and trust me, when you make comments like this PLEASE feel free to speak for yourself.By the way, checking for explosive devices in public places is protecting society."SCOTUS has ruled on more than one occasion that police have no responsibility to protect and serve the individual.Case in point: http://www.forensic-evidence.com/site/Police/CastleRockRestraining.htmlH... opinion is backed up by a group of black robe wearing people whose opinions DO mean something.

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from coup wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

I'd like to say that I wish to distance myself as far as possible away from you NRA maniacs. I do not agree with you, and perhaps you should be aware of who your audience is before you start making threating statements such as these. The logic of your post, namely that more lives are saved by guns than ended, was lost in a haze of silly insecurity.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Boo-Woo"You're too ignorant and/or stupid to even discuss this, Ralph, and I recently promised myself that I would stop wasting lifespan arguing with people unqualified to even have an opinion. Good day to you."Thanks for proving my point..reduce yourself to insulting someone else when their opinion conflicts with yours..must be part of your "qualifications" in having a better opinion.I can see why you favor the ACLU.Don't bother wishing me a Good Day, it's rather cliché when not sincere.

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

"The police have a duty only to protect society, not individuals."Huh????JA Demko-I think it's better to understand that we all have an opinion in a FREE SOCIETY, and trust me, when you make comments like this PLEASE feel free to speak for yourself.By the way, checking for explosive devices in public places is protecting society."-RalphYou're too ignorant and/or stupid to even discuss this, Ralph, and I recently promised myself that I would stop wasting lifespan arguing with people unqualified to even have an opinion. Good day to you.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

"The police have a duty only to protect society, not individuals."Huh????JA Demko-I think it's better to understand that we all have an opinion in a FREE SOCIETY, and trust me, when you make comments like this PLEASE feel free to speak for yourself.By the way, checking for explosive devices in public places is protecting society.

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from sam wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

why would i want to carry a firearm, good question. according to one poll as many as 34% but not less than 30% of all armed criminals that have been convicted, admited that they were dettered at one point in time from committing a crime cause someone had a gun, were caught because someone pulled a gun on them and held them untill the police arrived, or they were wounded by someone that had a gun and therefor were captured. all of these people are normal citizens that carry guns not cops. think about it for a second say you like to go for a jog every evening, you are jogging along minding your own, and some guy stepps out with say a knife and tells you to fork over your wallet. now if you are carrying a gun you can pull it on him and hold him untill the cops get there, if not then you you hand over your wallet and all your hard earned money to someone that is too lazy to get a job. are there anymore ridiculously retarded questions from bigbenr

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from SHOOT2TH1LL wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

OMG!!!here we go the Bigbenr thing is repeating itself just like Earths climates. As if he hasnt blogged enough."a beautiful young man would still be alive"-i know your orientation but i dont what to hear about how cute some korean boy was

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Why on earth would you want to CARRY a firearm ??Don't you know that the police provides Public Safety ??THEY will protect you and your belongings.I also suggest that you immediately dispose of the firearms you currently have. Please get your mind right.I will light a candle for you.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

The Bill of Rights is outdated, and should be repealed. If it only saves one innocent child's life, isn't it all worth it?http://denver.yourhub.com/HighlandsRanch/Blogs/News-Politics/Commentary/Blog~298960.aspx

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

No, Ralph, I wouldn't ask that and I'll thank you, in the future, to speak for yourself and let me speak for myself. The police have a duty only to protect society, not individuals. Part of the "cost" of living in an even somewhat free society is limitation on what government officials_like the police_can and can't do.You, Ralph, are free to put up a sign at the door to your home just like the one the ACLU put up at their offices.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

If Cho Seung-Hui had not been unreasonably fearful, had used common sense and not had a gun, a beautiful young man would still be alive. There are too many Cho Seung-Hui out there too many little people of limited social skills, limited practical intelligence and limited conscience who not only fail to think before they act but refuse to take responsibility for their actions.Our Constitution does not give us rights without responsibility, so where is the personal responsibility in this?We have the NRA to thank not only for the deletion of personal responsibility from the equation, but for all the people who will die as the result.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

You got that right Peter C.JA Demko-If a backpack exploded in the public subway-everyone including you and the ACLU-would have asked why did'nt they(police, govmt,or whom ever "they" are)protect us??Oh..so the ACLU can protect themselves, and the hell with the public? Yea, that's a contradiction in moral terms,or are you referring to legal terms?Is it about right-or-wrong, or what's leagally correct?

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from Peter C wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

If I'd pissed off as many people as the ACLU, I'd want to search everyone entering my premises!

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

ACLU is a private organization. Subway system is owned by the government. Whether you recognize the difference or not, there is a difference and there is no contradiction.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Ah yes, the ACLU, this is the group that fought against bag/back pack searches in NY subways, but had a sign posted on their building indicating that ALL PERSONS ENTERING WILL SUBMIT ANY CARRYING BAG OR PURSE TO A FULL SEARCH BEFORE ENTERINGIs this the same ACLU?Punch of liberal,contradiction, as usual.

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from Peter C wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

As a result of the VA Tech tragedy, I understand that the NRA, the Brady Campaign and several members of congress, both Republicans and Democrats, may be pushing for a federal law that requires the medical records of potential psychopathic killers to be registered in the federal database accessible to gun dealers, so when they go on the NCIS for a check, the nutjobs can be identified. This should be very interesting, because of course the ACLU and other "civil rights" organizations will be having a shit hemorrhage over this. It violates all kinds of existing "medical privacy laws" such as HIPAA but, hey, if the newspapers can publish lists of licensed concealed carry permitees, then WTF!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Matt-Your statement is a fitting tribute to Maher; he really had a twisted, and at times demented, way of thinking.He deserved being canned and should continue to apologize for having such a big mouth.

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from Matt wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Maher is a pig's ass. Remember, he lost his show because he ranted about how cowardly Americans soldiers are and how brave idiots who fly planes into buildings are, so he can (to put in a way the moderators may approve of) go have intercourse with himself.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

NRA joining with Democrats.THANK GOD FOR COMMON SENSE AND A DREAM COME TRUEHouse Democrats, NRA Seek to Strengthen Background Checks for Gun PurchasersSaturday , April 21, 2007House Democratic leaders are working with the National Rifle Association to bolster existing laws blocking mentally ill people from buying guns.Lacking support to enact strong new gun measures even after the Virginia Tech shootings, Democrats are instead resurrecting legislation, which has drawn broad bipartisan support and NRA backing, that would improve the national background check system.The measure, a version of which has passed the House in two previous Congresses but died in the Senate, could come to a House vote as early as next month. It would require states to supply more-thorough records, including for any mental illness-related court action against a would-be gun purchaser.Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., a strong NRA ally who has been a leading opponent of most gun control legislation, is negotiating with the group on the background-check bill.House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has tapped Dingell and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y. — a leading gun control supporter whose husband was fatally shot by a deranged gunman on the Long Island Railroad — to broker a swift compromise measure that could win passage in the House and Senate.McCarthy said the measure was the best the Democratic-controlled Congress could do even in the wake of the deadly shooting rampage Monday in which a disturbed gunman killed 32 and then himself."We're not going to do anything more on guns — it's just not going to happen. This is a pro-gun Congress," said McCarthy.Current law bars people judged by a court to be "mentally incompetent" from purchasing firearms, but the federal background check database is incomplete, with many states far behind in automating their records and sending them to the FBI.Cho Seung-Hui, the 23-year-old gunman in the recent shootings, should have failed his background checks and been barred access to guns after a Virginia special justice found in 2005 that his mental illness made him a danger to himself, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said this week.The measure being negotiated would subject states to possible penalties for failing to provide the information, and authorize new federal grants to help them do so."If we give the states what they need to enforce these limits, that's a big step," McCarthy said. "A computer is only as good as the information in it."The measure has drawn bipartisan interest. Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, an NRA ally, is among the Republicans considering signing on.Talks on the measure are extremely sensitive, given how little time has passed since Monday's shootings on the Blacksburg, Va., campus.The legislation has spawned an unusual alliance between gun rights activists, who want background checks to be faster, and gun control advocates, who want them to be more accurate. Still, the NRA and some of its congressional allies are skittish about appearing to support any gun control measure in the wake of the Virginia Tech rampage."We have a potential opportunity to get something done that both sides have agreed (on) for a couple of years," said Peter Hamm, a Brady Campaign spokesman. "There's clearly a level of distrust that's as tall as Mount Everest between the two sides in this debate. We watch each other carefully."Democratic Rep. Richard Boucher, who represents the southwestern Virginia district where the shootings unfolded, said he would not talk about gun policies until next week at the earliest, out of respect for the families of the victims. Like most lawmakers, Boucher wore a maroon and orange ribbon on his lapel Friday, set aside as a day of remembrance for the Virginia Tech tragedy.Dingell would not comment on the talks Friday, nor would the NRA."This is not the time for political discussions, public policy debates or to advance a political agenda," the group said in a statement.However, another gun rights group, the Gun Owners of America, is adamantly opposed to the legislation. It said the measure would allow the government to trample privacy rights by compiling reams of personal information and potentially bar mentally stable people from buying guns."The thing that most concerns us about this is our friends at the NRA are supporting it, and that could give Democrats cover in the election," said Larry Pratt, a spokesman for the group. "The NRA is making a mistake on this. This is a bill that could pass."Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, a strong gun rights supporter, said he hasn't opposed the background check measure in the past and wouldn't expect to do so now.Gun measures have been known to spin out of control in the freewheeling Senate — where any senator can seek to amend a bill. Any measure there would be looked upon as an opportunity for both gun control advocates eager to enact stronger limits and their foes pushing to weaken existing gun laws.For Dingell's effort to succeed, Republicans and Democrats on both sides of the Capitol likely would have to agree to hold off on a broader gun debate and focus instead on the background-check measure."We need to be very careful that we don't intrude on the right of law-abiding and free citizens," Craig said. "We all search for the political screen of, 'Oh, we've got to do something and pass a law, and therefore the world will be a safer place.' Not necessarily."

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

I got the groovy PM.Thanks for the kind words .45Colt

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from SHOOT2TH1LL wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

"Americans REFUSE to learn from other older, wiser, SAFER countries & my prediction is that if we don't, we'll continue to pay the ultimate price!"America is number one. Let me say that slower NUMBER ONE. you dont ask 8th place how to win especially if your the winner. America has always kinda looked at the Europeans for help. Screw Europe we have either kicked or saved that whole continents butt a couple of times over. We are the BEST. I refuse to take any advice from the crazy Europeans.'and we know that NRA LIES'dont you dare ever group me with you.You HATE me because of my beliefs'no i hate you becuase you are ignorants longwinded and plain stupid. 'Those who trade their guns for plows will plow for those who dont''

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

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from 21st Century Abolitionist wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

My apologies in advance to those of you who will no doubt be offended for no good reason other than exaltation of the Lost Cause, but the truth is that the Yankee "oppression" and "aggression" against which the South fought was the election of a clearly abolitionist President -- who had nevertheless promised not to unilaterally enforce abolition. That is absolutely all the worst that the North had done to the South at the time of secession. (Remember the Missouri Compromise and the Kansas-nebraska Act? The North had repeatedly compromised with the South on the question of slavery.)The "way of life" they all sought to protect, rich and poor Southern alike, was based on slavery, or at least on Jim Crow enforced by the Klan, which kept African Americans at the lowest tier of society. The South always had the option of abolishing slavery on its own, which would have prevented the conflict, possibly even ended it mid-battle (Not at least because Britain and most of Europe would have come to the South's aid, but also because the North would have lost it's one moral advantage -- remember the impact of the Emancipation Proclaimation upon the war -- up to that point, the South was clearly winning!).Slavery was the only thing the South had to fight for, other than the intense prejudices about Yankees. Yes, the regional prejudice and animosity was mutual, but the South fired the first shots. In doing so, they destroyed their own way of life. Without those shots at the resupply ship to Ft. Sumter, the North would have had no justification, legal or moral, for waging war.Sorry for all the good ol' boys in butternut and gray, but they had some responsibility for what happened -- and for losing. Too bad too many of us over a century and a half later consider these fighting words -- which should be evidence enough for truth in what I've written.Gun control is just another form of slavery -- of second class citizenship that makes its victims' liberties subject to the fears of others. Since 1968, all handguns sold in retail commerce have been registered. If that's not control enough for you, there's only about one more thing to do to us handgunners -- ban them. Of course, there's barely a study or two that provides a whit of credible, uncontested evidence that any of this has or could effect crime rates or criminal behavior. Yes, it's just another form of prejudice. Sorry, all of you who think that a shotgun or rifle is somehow morally superior to a handgun, but that's just another form of unjustified prejudice.

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from CB wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Come on guys bigbner will never change his/her ideas about guns because he/she is hardheaded and no matter what proper info you give him/her he will never agree. The main fact as I have always stated is guns don't kill people, people kill people. If bigbner doesn't get this concept he/she is more of an idiot than he/she already is. Hunters rule!!!!!!!!!

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from relax wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Transgender Student Runs for Prom King(AP) Fresno High School senior Cinthia Covarrubias, the school's first transgender prom king candidate,...FRESNO, Calif. (AP) - When school officials announce the name of the Fresno High School prom king on Saturday, Cinthia Covarrubias will be wearing a tuxedo just like the six boys vying for the honor.School officials this week added the 17-year-old's name to the ballot for prom king, reversing a previous district protocol that allowed only males to run for king and females for prom queen.Gay youth advocates called it a landmark victory for campus gender expression and said they believe it's the first time in the U.S. that an openly transgender student has run for prom royalty.Covarrubias, who wears black-and-white Vans, baggy shorts and close-cropped brown hair, sometimes identifies herself as Tony. Her date, a close female friend, plans to wear a black dress and red corsage to the prom at an outdoor reception hall surrounded by man-made waterfalls.(AP) Fresno High School senior Cinthia Covarrubias, the school's first transgender prom king candidate,...Full Image

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from Mark wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Yeah, Rick, It's sorta tough to take Bigenr-types seriously. Think that's what bothers the person more than anything else...to be found amusing and disregarded on this blog. :-)

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Ricky you're such a funny twit.

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from Rick wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Come on fellows...arguing with the simplistic, sophomoric, intolerant likes of Bigbenr is a waste of time and blog space! It's hard to believe someone can be so long-winded and say virtually nothing repeatedly. I suggest we ignore such tripe. It wrecks the blog dialogue if we engage her (his) ilk.If we choose to ignore misguided, limp wristed twits like her (him), they'll go away.

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from sam wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

alright so as an avid hunter and the owner of many guns, i have a problem with people group simi-automatic, and automatic guns in the same catagory. this is like comparing apples and oranges.also i am not a proponent of automatic weapons, yes i get my doses of fun by going and shooting, and i think that automatic weapons are extremely cool, my personal opinion though is that if you want an automatic either join the police, fbi, cia, or go into the armed services.another pet peeve of mine is when the ignorant die hard anti's suggest that any person in his or her right mind would dare to use something such as an ak-47 for hunting, hell you would ruin all the meat. and last i checked bullets and lead are hard on your teeth.lastly people that do not like guns have no bussiness on this blog. people that are not outdoorsman/women types shouldnt even visit this website. for gods sake its called field and stream its a hunting and fishing website, people that go to this site hunt and fish.i have grown up with guns all of my life, i do not feel that this in itself makes me a lesser person nor do i think that it makes me more "macho" it is simply a part of my heritage. if in fact you do find guns reprenesible that is fine with me, but i would appreciate it greatly if you would leave the ones of us that are properly educated and are reasonably sound of mind and competent in the use of guns alone. yes i do believe in the freedom of speech but this argument has turned into a religious type argument. the people that hate guns are going to hate them no matter what we say and the die hard gun toters that believe that all guns should be allowed are the same.like i previously stated i do consider myself a competent reasonably sane adult. i do think that we have gotten completely off topic though.sam hayescentenary college, louisianahome town alexandria, LA

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from Lonny Howard wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago
from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

This board can be a riot! Just like self-hitting.First, I'm no fool J.M. I recognize that you simply parrot the words of others and have no cogent thought of your own. Your desperate for recognition and sees this board as a way to get it.Instead you lurk here just waiting to troll people who do not worship the NRA like you do, so everything they say and do is Substandard to you, G-D knows why.and you FAIL to follow the great advice you get from those you troll so you slave your arse off for somebody else...dunbass......a pity really.This is supposed to be the land of the free and the home of the brave, and I want it back. Now I ran into NRA idiots and oppression! I find it odd that you accuseothers of being socialist robots when in opint of fact you yourself was simply repeating the same replyover and over and over and over and over ... Why are the NRA BushBootLickers so scared of truth and progress???? What a pathetic attempt to shout down those who question lies.Not a criticism, or bustin yer chops but a smorgasbord of topics is much better and more palatable than just the TWO topics you center on. You are better than that and I KNOW you have the resources at your command and the smarts to educate and inform many a person on things of importance rather than or in conjunction with, GUNS GUNS GUNS!!!!Now run along get some more of that "cheap" credit you are addicted to.

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from CB wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Bigbenr guns dont kill people people kill people.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME PLEASE someone LOOK AT ME.... LOOK AT MY hypocrisy!!! yeah ok rightwing media guy we get it YOU are on top of EVERYTHING and you look after everyones best interests.Such ridicule from the willingly ignorant.Gee whiz, I'm sure glad you righties don't blame Clinton for anything. Ahh, refusing the facts is your chosen tactic. I see. That speaks volumes about your willingness to research and learn the facts about a subject.I wonder if you put this exhaustible amount of energy into everything you do?I ask questions, J.M. You do not. Not only do you choose to live in your willing denial, but you serve to ridicule those who are armed with more than conjecture and musings.Enjoy your servitude.

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from J.M. wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

"What you are trying to say by talking about cars and other things is that events like this fall under the category of acceptable losses; having a mass killing every few years is just the price that has to be paid to maintain the status quo and that price is acceptable to you.So since people are the problem, we should ban people?"Willard, Willard, Willard, you're missing the point. I'll try not to get polysyllabic on you so you can absorb this.Banning guns or any other implement which the appearance of give you the shivers, will not stop stupid, defective people from preying on society.You liberal retards come on boards such as these, wasting Mr. Petzals bandwidth, stirring up hate and discontent. You espouse the idea that ridding the world of those evil, awful, scary looking guns will deliver us to a socialist utopia of peace, harmony, fuzzy kittens and civil unions for all. Get real!Pull your heads out of wherever you Brady Bunch zombies put them, and realize that the underlying problem is not inanimate objects which in and of themselves do not possess the qualities of evil or any of the other anthropomorhic qualities you ascribe to them. The problem is human nature. Since Cain knocked Abel in the head with a rock, people have found ever more inventive ways to do what people do.The point of this, which you missed amongst your slavering and slobbering, is that if you want to keep truly deadly tools out of the hands of fallible humans, you will have to take away more than guns.Is the DAILY slaughter on the highways of America by idiots behind the wheels of 5000 lb. weapons of mass destruction acceptable loss to you?You can have my guns when you give up your car. You people have wasted enough of my time.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Try to save face by changing thesubject and calling names...it's all you can do JM.... make up yer FROZEN mind! OH Wait, what is my zip code, here in Babylon?? You can run to fauxnews for a whitewashed version of the truth, and liberal bashing... and lies, but you cannot hide from the truth forever. Stop acting like such an idiot, if you can even help it.To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.

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from J.M. wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Comrade Lenin had a name for these socialist hand puppet trolls, "Useful Idiots." Originally ascribed to "those Western reporters and travelers who would endorse the Soviet Union and its policies in the West," these pathetic souls who shrilly denouce our nation and constitution carry on a long, however sordid, tradition.Bigbenr, it's way past time for your meds.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

I see you chose to blow off the issue's. More name calling and no substance as usual! You HATE me because of my beliefs. and you hate me because I question YOUR beliefs. I make you have to defend yourself. You can't seem to defend your beliefs with the NRA masters.You can't defend yourself, you can't answer tough questions so you resort to name calling and smear campaigns.Only a FOOL believes his beliefs are not wrong. A bigger fool defends his foolish beleifs, even when confrunted with facts that show the fool to be wrong. it is too hard for the fool to admit he was wrong, and lied to so the fool lashes out at all those who make him look like a fool.The problem is the fool is making a bigger fool of himself than anybody else could ever hope to.Someone went nuts thats for sure! No one can ever say this is the no spin zone. There is plenty of spin here, all to the right.Why? Because they are a people dying of thirst walking towards a mirage, and when they get there, they find no water, so they drink the sand. They don't drink the sand because they want to. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.Preaching to the choir here? BWHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH. go ahead and enjoy misery.Hang on, I need to get more tinfoil. Be right back !!! The idea behind a "tin foil hat" is it should be used like a Faraday cage. In electromagnetic field theory, when one solves for the distribution of a field in and around a conducting surface, one finds that electromagnetic waves do not penetrate very far through holes that are less than about a wavelength across. Equivalently, the reflection of electromagnetic waves from a conducting surface is not much affected by holes (or other irregularities) in the surface less than about a wavelength across. Therefore, it is possible to make a Faraday Cage or a satellite dish with 'holes' without materially affecting performance, provided that the holes are less than about a wavelength across. So basically, one using tin foil is trying to keep the truth out, not amplify government corruption, or conspiracy as you morons call it. Usually one uses the phrase "tin foil" to shout down a discussion when the facts presented are too much for him or her to accept mentally. Because to d oso would make them have to think for themselves, and the conclusions are inescapable.the government is corrupt to the bone and lies constantly.

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from Ed J wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Mark Where's Billy Goat Gruff when you need him?My Grand fater worked for Teddy Rooseveldt on the Elkhorn Ranch.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

{{{{{Sorta spooky on reading the personal jabs. Wonder where this character will aim next?}}}}Delicious little man! Just like the rest of them mmaking fun of me over at the other gun boards. No end in site, civil war around the corner. The FILTH started this.As USUAL! Facts the media isn't telling us ,Christ the whole board is mentally ill . Make an effort to understand the real enemy . ALL THESE Jack booted thugs looking for some action. Only a FOOL assumes facts not in evidence.The post was more about exposing YOUR hypocrisy than embracing anyone's view. Or Mine! As usual you sidestepped the issue and refused to address it, instead trying to divert attention to me by implying I need information welfare. Funny, you didn't have any welfare to give out.I knew your game, but figgured what the heck, and actually had a very long diatribe wrote up refuting most of these lies. Smoked you out! Hahaha. Personally, I think your the psycho who doesn't have the same opinion on a subject two minutes in a row. Arrogant self-promoting Rightwingers.Sheesh! People get the corrupt liars in gvt that they deserve. PERIOD! Your "point" was merly to name call nothing more .]] Do you KNOW the facts? Post your opinions inside the post, speak your mind inside the post, but be careful of the swath you paint with your brush .AND you better put down the oxy's and step away from the keyboard , Bwhahahahaha . Must suck to be such a loser? Bottom line is all 'teh' rah rah for the NRA is from fools who actully BELIEVE the book on goats, or fairys, or Terrorists GW is reading to their second grade mind is actually true and sad really.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

!!!MARKY !!!((((((Yup. The writings are tough to follow since Bigbenr doesn't write ))))) All you've proven to me is how amoral you've standards have become. I can no longer compete against your articulateness. Clearly you have shown us all your wit, your candor, and most importantly, your intelligence and reading comprehension skills. I concede this podium and bow down to your greatness.The NRA GUN CULT needs to wake up....after all...Its not about the NRA.it is about the quality of life in the USA and the childrens welfare and freedoms we have a RIGHT to...... What I am afraid of, and has already happened to a point at airports and police roadblocks, is israel style gun carrying police state that fosters violence. And we are no safer now, no matter what the NRA shills screeeeach at you about how we are. We never can or will be.These rightwing fanatics treat the NRA as a religion, and are convinced that they are so smart they know what is best for the nation in ways the people cannot comprehend, therefore, they are justified in circumventing the rules. Catch phrases we hear from such people like freedom and we have rights but it still comes down to dirty tricks, assassinations, and other crimes, all under the delusion that the noble ends justify the means used to achieve them.Thanks for sharing your onesidedness. We have the quiet before the storm; the economy is about ready to go into the sh*can. Thank god the DNC Broom is about to sweep out the Republicrap facist. Freaking pathetic and you, THEY, chastise, and character assasinate me for simply speaking and posting the absolute truth outta the founding fathers own mouth Simply amazing what people will do for appearance sake.

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from Mark wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Yup. The writings are tough to follow since Bigbenr doesn't write all that well, but the person has one of the biggest chips on their shoulders I've ever seen.Sorta spooky on reading the personal jabs. Wonder where this character will aim next?BTY Guys, earlier in this blog there was Civil War posts. I had two great, great uncles that were both Union Officers. One walked with the angels. He survived Antietam, Gettysburg, and Cold Harbor.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Bushwacker#1 ; Someone feeling a bit sore between the legs????..Yes, I thought my post might bring out one or more of the NRA true Believers slithering out from their respective rocks. Well good on you guys.Its almost as tho you are of the mind that this is some manor of magnificent revelation I might be inclined to deny. My apologies however that’s simply not very likely ! That I have engaged in misbehavior is a certainty, no great discovery in that, I do feel you folks shortchanged yourself . Never claimed the status of a unsoiled dove that seems so popular among the NRA Bund. ZI have spread my peculiar brand of mischief over the net violating insipid agreements on a multitude of active fronts. I am no fan of true believers or NRA fanatics in general...my impression is they are far too simple to forge their own path… Lets take a candid look "BushyWacky" I really enjoyed your weak minded justifications for an out dated 2a and US LAW. Still its rather depressing to see strong friendships wither and die due to underhanded back stabbing antics of the self annointed.Neither you or Peter C needs to play kissy-face with the other...too much hate filled spew has been allowed to pass but regardless of appearance, we are all in the same fight together. Anybody for patroitic leftovers?SO FRIENDS Don't fret over me though I have developed even more free time to devote to MORE DIRTIER fighting in the trenches with those we should ALL be concerned with instead of dividing ourselves . Hahahaha and I thought maybe,JUST MAYBE, I was losing my touch ....guess not!

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Peter C. Ha Ha Ha ; THE TRUTH HURTS??? Huh Buddy BOY!!! jeezo- YOU found me out! Shucks! It was a good night to be insane. There must have been an insane cackle breaking the momentum of the powerful illuminations and fraud? Come up with something fresh please.If you want to make a man your enemy or even get him to hate you, just try and tell him the truth about a politician, his political party, his church or about how the NRA LIES. I don’t’ have the exact quote handy, but a famous writer once said, the men the people most admire are the greatest liars, while the men they most hate are those who try and tell them the truth. Those of us in the Brady Movement are hated by those we are trying to educate. Facts mean nothing to a person, once his mind is made up. You simply cannot teach some men anything, because they already know so much that is not true. OH Oh OhAND Spare me the wounded rightwinger NRA line, okay? I say it's high time someone strong-armed the NRA Goons to stop their endless lying and falsification of the facts. And if these NRA redknecks can't stand the heat, maybe they ought to get out of the damned kitchen.Therein lies the real truth.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Mike Diehl ; I fear that if these NRA "Extremists" are not held to account for their actions, and stripped of lobby power at the very least, they will devise some new scheme to terrorize the populace once again into submission. In order to make this assessment, you have to actually refute or even address the material. You haven't been able to do this, despite my supreme patience on the matter.I suspect that anywhere you post becomes a no fact zone.But you've given away the fact that you're posting for the NRA Propaganda machine, and we know that NRA LIES to people, and that its subscribers and their useful Idiots , insulated in their little bubble, are not at all well-informed. I asked you for facts, and you give none . Exposing lies isn't pissing and whining and there's no expiration date on lies. PROOF!!!! PROOOF!!!Many of those posting comments here have made a mistake and are making fools of themselves. I stand by everything I have written, I can't help it if peopleignore what I write and substitute their own ideas. I have written on the Internet for years..Take a deep breath, reread what I have actually written and take some time to sincerely think about it. THINK, why is writing "NRA lies toserve the Gun makers agenda" OK but this topic results in an irrational and intellectually dishonest response?

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from Peter C wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

The fact that ticking bombs like Bigbenr are out there and apparently off their medications is a compelling reason to have a gun and be proficient in its use. You can't reason with people like this; they hear and respond only to their inner voices.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

I'll do you the service of ignoring your insults and your emotional hysteria if you'll lay off that stuff."I'd like to know WHO's rights we would be infringing upon to outlaw the ownership of semi & automatic handguns/weapons in this country??"Inasmuch as the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights are the rights of Americans I would venture to suggest that any person who is an American citizen stands to have their rights violated if firearms ownership is restricted qua the wishes of the 2nd Amendment."that would really make for a cozy campus wouldn't it?... knowing that there's a handgun in every backpack!"I do not see how that logically follows. Are you proposing that we pass a mandatory firearms ownership law? It might work. Everyone household in Switzerland owns a firearms and last I checked this sort of thing did not seem to be a problem. But I think the issue is far more complicated than either the black n' white view of this offered by some."but i guess it would have made the event even more sensational, for many more to have been killed in the cross-fire, huh!?"Why would one conclude that more would be killed? In the Salt Lake City mall spree shooting of late the spree-killer was kept at bay by one armed citizen (and off-duty policeman) who managed not to shoot anyone at all. The mere threat of return fire from one person kept the shooter penned up."The fact that the killer lied on the questionaire when he purchased the handgun about ever being in a mental institution, etc. & there was no background check, shows just how LAX our gunlaws are."Well, if you are proposing a mandatory background check against a database of people known to be ineligble to purchase firearms (there is a standard BATF form that we all fill out), you may be on to something. But that is not at all the same proposal as a complete firearms ban."Since there are only 2 purposes for guns - sport & killing - it seems that we could deduce by now"One *might* conclude that but I don't agree that the deductions that you propose lead to that conclusion. After all, everyone has to have a drivers' license to operate a motor vehicle, but people are killed in droves, daily, by the inept or criminal operation of cars. Far more than are lost to firearms.And "the right to own private transportation" isn't even parenthetically mentioned in the Bill of Rights. Not even the right to own a horse so that one can serve in the state militia."And as for blaming law enforcement.."Well, I don't recall anyone blaming LEO but I may have missed it. But it's a fair point to note that the common motto "To Protect and to Serve" might more accurately be stated as "To React and to Serve.""I am very disheartened that people [in this country]just don't seem to 'get it' & if we don't get to the root of the problem,"Many of us do not think that you have accurately identified the "root of the problem" That is why I made the point about banning automobiles. The call to ban firearms does not seem to be based on a sense of priorities that has foremost an intent to reduce the amount of carnage on the streets. Banning firearms is indeed the "band aid" solution that we ought to avoid."I just can't believe that we're harder on alcohol & cigarette use than on guns.."We aren't. There are no laws proscribing alcohol use for felons &c. Moreover, the alcohol observation is interesting because alcohol use is implicated in more accidents and deaths than are firearms. So why not ban alcohol? How well did that work last time?"if you'd check the laws of other countries that have a very low crime rate, it's the opposite!"This just in: In London, UK, where firearms ownership has been banned for over a decade, the per capita crime rate involving the use of a firearm is the same as it is in most major US urban areas. I will try to get you a link for that. The "contact crime" rate in most Europeans states (crimes where the perp assaults or threatens to assault the victim) are typically much higher than in the United States.So, errm, we're not a particularly violent society compared to other nations.

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from Bushwacker#1 wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Bigbenr-"The fact that the killer lied on the questionaire when he purchased the handgun about ever being in a mental institution, etc. & there was no background check, shows just how LAX our gunlaws are.""Our gun laws" do not in include Michigan Mr.Bigbenr-Government is at a State and Federal level-If you must be so historically illiterate to make quotes get your story straight! This killer's problem started when teachers complained about his hate filled papers; they were told he had a "right to free speech"...so shall we start with taking that away? Then in 2005 Mr.Killer was found to be "mentally a threat to himself and others", but Virginia does not require a backround check,making this fact a non valid issue. Seems you should start screaming at Virginia legislature to enact a backround check.Have you sent condolences to the families that have lost loved ones in this mess? And stop saying everyone owning a gun wants to shoot somebody with it. That's far from the truth, but every dead body seems to be a notch on your twisted belt of socialist thinking.ok..let's hear your side of being ready to "give up every freedom to have a safe society" comment.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Let’s then followthe NRA so intelligent way of thinking and let’s hope that every man and women in are country carries weapons. Why not settle down in a café and be so much secure because nothing will happen to us, because everybody around us are armed. Let us be educated in institutions of higher learning while being secured by the fact that every single people surrounding us are carrying firearms. Let’s feel free to go to the bank with our semi-automatic weapon just in case that someone show’s up and tries to rob the place.Talk about an idiotic way of thinking.Let us put in the hands of our citizens the means to create and to generate more and more violence… the single and only purpose of a firearm being to create violence.If you are so bright, and nothing tells me that you are, maybe you can explain to me what use in anyway possible can a 23 year student have in a 9mm assault semi-automatic and a 22 assault semi-automatic or even a scoped high powered sniper rifle??? Why in the whole world would anybody need such a things ? WHY?What you’re saying is that the more killer guns people have the more safe they will be. Think of it the opposite way my dear friends. If nobody had guns… the world would be a safer place. Putting instruments of death in the hands of people is one hell of a sure way to know that one day or another, someone will use that instrument not to defend himself, but to take lives that should not have been taken. And come to me with that crap about faith… the only and single purpose of a firearm is to create death, no guns surely means less violence. The United Nations has a plan and we should listen.With us Democrats in office i hope teh see the day all guns are banned!!Yet, I can't help but think that some of the pro-gun arguments I am reading here lack the kind of deep, comprehensive thinking that this very serious subject deserves.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Whoa, bud. You can make any idiotic claim about the Constitution guaranteeing your right to 30 round clips, but really, if you believe the Second Amendment makes us all an armed citizen army, constitute the militia and get your scrofulous ass to Iraq defending the country full time. Over there, so they don't follow us over here? Thirty-one rounds, but that was banned by the Brady Bill, but the presedent thought that impinged on 2nd Amendment rights.I'd like to know WHO's rights we would be infringing upon to outlaw the ownership of semi & automatic handguns/weapons in this country?? I couldn't believe that the 1st knee jerk [ridiculous] response to this [most recent] massacre, was that everyone should have been armed in order to protect themselves...that would really make for a cozy campus wouldn't it?... knowing that there's a handgun in every backpack! but i guess it would have made the event even more sensational, for many more to have been killed in the cross-fire, huh!? i guess those of you w/this philosphy don't care if you go down, you just want to go down shooting?! but somehow i doubt that anyone would have had time to respond in kind.The fact that the killer lied on the questionaire when he purchased the handgun about ever being in a mental institution, etc. & there was no background check, shows just how LAX our gunlaws are. Since there are only 2 purposes for guns - sport & killing - it seems that we could deduce by now [from the accidental & intentional deaths that have resulted from their possession & use], that we should make the purchasing of them ALOT more strict [like maybe assume that someone who is buying a gun might just lie to get it, duh!] & if you have good intentions [like shooting skeet], the restrictions & checks shouldn't be a problem, right? For example, if the prospective purchaser goes to a college, they should be notified & if the student isn't enrolled in one of the sportshooting classes &/or hasn't taken a gun safety course, the school would be forewarned that 'a quiet guy w/some mental problems' might be about to do himself or others in & JUST SAY NO! [to his purchase of a gun]...but this would be way too sensible & might just save some lives, BUT would infringe upon the rights of a natural born killer [which we're raising too many of today!].All i can ask now is: Where are the 'MOTHERS AGAINST GUNSLINGERS????? How many kids are going to have to die for us to begin such a movement in this country?? We are raising a generation of kids who play violent video games every minute of every day & are becoming totally desensitized to killing period...then we wonder why tragedies like this happen - when they can so easily get a real gun!And as for blaming law enforcement for not responding fast enough or in the appropriate manner to such an event...how in the world would even Superman respond quickly enough to thwort a crazed gunman on a rampage w/an automatic weapon??I am very disheartened that people [in this country]just don't seem to 'get it' & if we don't get to the root of the problem, rather than applying the band-aids (like we always do), this event won't be 'the largest massacre in this country' for long & we can just blame ourselves for every future massacre we contribute to by not making it harder to have/own a weapon, of this magnitude, in the 1st place.PS>i just can't believe that we're harder on alcohol & cigarette use than on guns...if you'd check the laws of other countries that have a very low crime rate, it's the opposite! But we Americans REFUSE to learn from other older, wiser, SAFER countries & my prediction is that if we don't, we'll continue to pay the ultimate price!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

"YOU have no 'gun rights' whatever."That is incorrect. The Bill of Rights attends to the rights of individuals, not of states. Try reading it some time."The first half of the 2nd amendment is the ONLY example of a right granted that comes with a declared limitation and allowable purpose."It is incorrect to claim that such is a "limitation." It is, more accurately, an explicit rationale. But in understanding the Constitution there is no implication that the explicit statement of a rationale therefore obviates other rationales. Indeed, you have to consider two other historical circumstances. At the time, firearms were not outlawed in the UK (whence many of our legal traditions originate). Moreover, at the time, the effort to seize privately held firearms (by the British authorities in the American colonies) were deemed by pretty much all of the signatories of the Declaration of Independence to be an act intended to consolidate executive power in the interest of tyrranny. Thus when the 2nd Amendment was written, the whole issue of confiscation of firearms in the service of tyranny was rather fresh on the minds of the Constitutional congress."The U.S. Supreme Court agrees with ME, the right to keep a well-regulated Militia belongs to the STATE!"That is an interesting claim. Especially since there are many states in which there are now private militias organized as civic bodies. Can you cite a source for that ruling?"Oh, and that nasty bit about guns killing the owners far more often than the owners kill 'bad' guys?Too bad I guess. There is a better answer."That is because firearms are the preferred weapon of choice in the United States for suicide. And yet, even in nations where firearms are banned, such as the United Kingdom, the suicide rate is about the same. QED."Outlaw the private possession of firearms."Lets outlaw the private possession of automobiles first. After all, you or I or anyone else here is far more likely to encounter sudden, un-looked-for death at the hands of a jackass running a red light than at the hands of a criminal of any kind firing of a gun.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

to JADemko:Thank you for the advice.(and for signing your post; a pox on those who post nameless prattle)Sometimes though, it is entertaining to verbally joust with members of the small-brained community.

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from duks wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Yes, we are a violent country, there are a lot of guns, there are a lot of people, there's a lot of strife in this country. But you know, we're a free country, we're pretty much the last free country in the world, and whenever you have a lot of freedom you're going to have a lot of people that abuse that freedom," he says. "You have to ask yourself as a society, ‘Are we willing to give up a lot of freedoms and become pretty much of a watchdog state, in order to try to prevent most of these?

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from Hector Sanchez wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Bigbenr, here you go spreading disinformation again. The Supreme Court of the United States has, to my knowledge, only ruled on one major Second Amendment case in the last hundred years. That's the Miller case and it does not, despite your beliefs, claim that the Second Amendment is a collective right of the states. It merely states that any weapon protected under the Second Amendment needs to be related to service in a militia. Period. Everything else the liberals read into it is pure wishful thinking.If you know of any other Supreme Court cases, please list them. Note, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is NOT the Supreme Court, so its opinions are only binding in its own circuit (the West Coast, basically).Furthermore, you misinterpret "militia" to mean "state militia." In fact, the "militia" referred to in the Second Amendment is the "unorganized militia," which is defined in Title 10, Section 311 of the US Code. It consists of all males between the ages of 17 and 45 and all female members of the National Guard. I merely clear that up because it's a commonly misunderstood point. It's only marginally relevant because the Second Amendment doesn't protect the right of the "militia" to bear arms, it protects the right of the "people" to bear arms. And throughout the Constitution "the people" is used to mean individuals and the words have been interpreted that way over and over by courts throughout the land.Finally, the militia clause is what is referred to by lawyers as "precatory language." It explains =why= the amendment exists, but it is in no way binding. Break the amendment into two parts, the militia clause and the people clause. The people clause is a complete sentence which works grammatically without the militia clause (the right of the people to bear arms, shall not be infringed). The militia clause is meaningless without the people clause (a well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state). Simple grammatical analysis shows which part of the amendment is the operative part and which part is simply explanatory.But I guess people just don't like logic....

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from tiredofthenoise wrote 6 years 51 weeks ago

Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

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from Yodel Hotel wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

In the words of Archie Bunker regarding hijackings of airliners:If you want to stop hijackings, when they're getting on the plane...just pass out the guns!

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from Been there-Done that wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

You better hide, bury, store anyway safetly also prevent rust, but you better do so soon. Afer the VT shooting, the Anti's will be on us hunters again. If the VT authories had done their job and let this shooter's thjoughts and actions be know to the Gov. as he was a Asian guy, this mess never would ahve happened to begin with., A guy who has mental problems is suppose to be on the NICS list as a non buyer. But as we all know, where there is a will, there is a way to buy illegal items. Be it baseball bats, knives, Auto,GUNS> So hunters, sport shooters, protect your hardware as a war is brewing fast.

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from Festingos wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Jim Zumbo would be proud

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from SHOOT2TH1LL wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20070419/cm_ucac/letsmakeamericaasadfreezon... its buy Ann coulter so im sure its to 'right' for some of you guys but read it. It makes some thigs clear

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

"You, blank, are committing the ultimate faux pas for a troll"Not all the blank posts are from the same person. I am the poster of the blank messages up to and including the one at 07:07 PM. The two following that are not mine. They are probably some right wing retard who stopped developing intellectually in third grade, who thinks such things as what he posted is funny and productive.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Linda G:Your post is very useful. Thanks for having the courage to make it, despite this being in a place where you might be concerned about getting a frosty reception.It is easy for 'gun nuts' to dismiss rants and rhetoric. But your very honest description of how someone very much on the other side of the fence feels is much more informative. I hope this will help us 'gun nuts' to find ways of pursuing our various gun-related interests is ways that do not cause you any distress.I hope some day soon some gun nut figures out a way to further demonstrate to you that guns (at least in the absence of bad people) are not in and of themselves bad.Michael M, Guelph Ontario

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from Fidel Lenin wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Comrade Cho, through his glorious sacrifice, has blazed the trail for the final downfall of decadent American capitalism! The running dog plutocrats of Wall Street and Washington rightly quake in fear at the imminent triumph of socialism! The inevitable outcome of the historical dialectic will be the slaughter of the parasitic capitalists followed by the establishment of a socialistic paradise where such basic needs as food and medecine will be freely and easily available to the proletariot. Arise, my American brothers! You have nothing to lose but your chains!Yes, I know that this is a cliched mass of leftist cant; but that, purely on its cold war nostalgia value, is really all that socialism has to offer.

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

If your goal is to spout leftist rhetoric, at least try to accomplish it with a little style and flair. You, blank, are committing the ultimate faux pas for a troll: you are boring. The next post is written by me to give you some idea how it should be done.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Yes, The New America will have socialism without borders.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Socialism is the only way out for the american people.Socialism Is Truth!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

"The first step in establishing a true dictatorship is to consficate private weapons and or ban private ownership of guns."Do you really think there's no other path to tyranny, that no matter how many other rights we lose, having a gun will keep everything thing free and fair?Again, there are places in the world swimming in guns yet they are hellholes. There are places in the world with no guns and they are nice places where people enjoy freedoms. There is no corrolation between more guns and a better society. The things that make for a good society are the things the Republican party is seeking to destroy.If all the other rights go away, having a gun won't mean diddly-poo.

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from SHOOT2TH1LL wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Im not gunna have Bigbenr educate me on what makes american boys men. Not from some guy with a 'life partner' thats for sure.

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from Linda G wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

I, too, have agonized over the "gun decision." At first, I swore my son would never have a gun. Then, when he confiscated all the toilet paper spindles for guns, I gave up and bought him a water pistol. My husband owns both a gun and a rifle (which I made him put away and render inoperable), and he and my son often play toy guns together and have the greatest time. (Oh, how I wish it were basketball or baseball!)I decided I needed to either change my attitude or go bonkers. I thought about the role weapons play in our society and others. In Japan (a much less violent society than ours) a warrior earns respect and honor. Native Americans trained young boys to become braves and thus reach a higher position in their society. I thought about the kinds of play my son did with his gun and other weapons; it was good guy against the bad guys. We rely on our police officers and our military to protect us from the "bad guys" and threats against our country. After observing my son and his friends, I have come to believe that this protective and fighting instinct is as natural as the nurturing and mothering instinct, stronger in some than in others.I explained to my son that the desire to protect others is a wonderful thing. Our society needs police and the military, and the person who risks his personal safety to help others is a hero indeed. It is okay for a little boy to play at these roles, but he needs to understand that fighting with others is not okay.In the meantime, I do not allow my son to watch violent programs on television, or movies containing violence.While I encourage him to play in other ways, I've accepted that he (and his dad) will continue to play guns and fighting games.--Linda G., Vienna, Virginia

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from JA Demko wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Michael,2 things:1. Please don't post that spurious Adolf Hitler quote.2. Bigbenr is punching every button he can think of trying to provoke a reaction. Best to let him grow bored and move on. He's not interested in debate.

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from Bushwacker#1 wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

LEE-Is that the same People's Republic that burned bodies in Tiananmen square a few years ago when the citizens were peacefully protesting civil rights?Yea...nice place to live thanks for the reminder.

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from Peter C wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Lee, are you posting from the People's Republic of Massachusetts or the People's Republic of California?

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from Lee wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

I am glad that you all see the decadence of your society and culture. Look to the East. Asian values are superior to western values. The western entertainment industry is rotten. We need controls on the stink that comes from Hollywood. In the Peoples Republic we are putting controls on this to protect the people from insanity. You see that too much freedom results in insanity. We are right in the Peoples Republic to reject western decadence democracy.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

to Bigbenr:"Today is a day that will go down in history. Today we have complete gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police force more effective, and many nations will follow our lead into the future."1. gun registration preceded gun confiscation.2. the police force was the Gestapo.3. The speaker of those words was Adolf Hitler in 1939.No private citizens had weapons to fight back and as a result, nearly 11 million died in Hitler's concentration camps.The first step in establishing a true dictatorship is to consficate private weapons and or ban private ownership of guns.Think about it.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Are We Steering Our Sons Towards Violence? The shelves are stocked with weapons of every kind, handguns, rifles, shotguns, submachine guns, GI JOE butcher dolls. Are you in the exhibit hall of an NRA convention? No. You're strolling down the aisles of a toy r us store in search of a birthday present for your six-year-old son.Buying toy guns for kids seems completely natural to millions of American parents. Yet, the same parents would not even think about buying guns for their little girls. When we encourage boys to play with guns, we must question whether or not we're socializing them to be violent maniacs.Playing cops-and-robbers or other "shoot the bad guy" games is often seen as innocent fun and a harmless rite of passage for little boys . It is certainly part of an American image of manhood success at violence is often equated with heroics, making men appear tough and macho. In fact, guns and other tools of destruction have long been associated symbolically with male sexual prowess.The weapon of destruction may be more sophisticated than the old six-shooter, but the game is basically the same: Bang! Bang! You're dead!In spite of peer pressure and TV marketing, and at the risk of disappointing your children, I strongly urge parents not to buy toy guns.

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from Sympathy wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Bigbenr: I apologize for whatever harm may have come to you as a result of a gun. It is obvious with the personal vendetta that you have engaged here that, as well as the fact that you visit other gun blogs while being anti-gun, that you have somehow been injured personally or know of some one close who was injured by a gun. For this I am sorry and any pain it caused you. However we here are not the ones who created the pain. Our guns are not the ones who did the damage. Therefore our guns should not be taken away. Our guns are handled and stored responsibly. Please accept my condolences, but please allow me the right to keep my guns.

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from Bushwacker#1 wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Social progams need to be funded Bigbenr.People like you look at Capital Wealth of a free market, then scream praises of a socalistic government.I agree with Peter C., we should have sympathy for you...please get professional help! Maybe you can find a socalistic doctor willing to help you for free?

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Bushwacker! As Franklin Roosevelt once said, "The only thing to fear is fear itself." ...

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Guns are not fun, they are not macho. " No, toys are fun, and guns are not toys. Some people don't enjoy shooting sports.No one needs an AK-47 to hunt deer.I sooo was glad when my gun-toting next-door-neighbor moved and took his arsenel [sic] with him for I always dreaded an accident. I fear guns. I don't see why you would be against licensing and basic government control of guns until you are either (a) a criminal or murderer or Robert Blake or (b) an anti-government nut in the lineage of McVeigh.Especially now, in the age of terrorism imported and domestic and violent crime, it all the more important for us to gain any control we can over guns and to try to keep them out of the hands of all the dangerous nuts on our streets.Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings.

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from Peter C wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Bigbenr is obviously getting off on sneaking into a gun owners' forum and making anti-gun, anti-sense asinine remarks. Either he is a troll, who deliberately spouts nonsense in order to provoke a reaction, or he is a rabble-rouser from the Brady camp. If he is - God help us - sincere, then he is a very sick person. He projects his own inner violence onto gun owners. He believes that if he owned a gun, he'd be unable to control himself. Therefore, we lawful gun owners must be as sick. In any case, this is a very troubled person, who needs professional help.

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from Bruce Piner wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Dave,I have photos of FDR shooting from a goose lump in the Pamlico Sound of North Carolina. Granted, he probably did not actively hunt after he was stricken with polio.

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from Bushwacker#1 wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

...so says Bigbenr the Great..

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

If Cho Seung-Hui had not been unreasonably fearful, had used common sense and not had a gun, a beautiful young man would still be alive. There are too many Cho Seung-Hui out there too many little people of limited social skills, limited practical intelligence and limited conscience who not only fail to think before they act but refuse to take responsibility for their actions.Our Constitution does not give us rights without responsibility, so where is the personal responsibility in this?We have the NRA to thank not only for the deletion of personal responsibility from the equation, but for all the people who will die as the result.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

((((We have seen the enemy, and he is pretending to be one of us.)))) Why do you fear Socialism? Do you catch what I mean? What do you think about universal health care? I think people shouldn't have to fear old age or getting sick.Do you hear me? No one should fear socialism. Socialism is human. Socialism is love. Fear breeds fear; guns breed death.The people who feel their lives are never going to be safe unless they own a gun or guns constantly bewilders me. What makes you people feel you are more valuable or important than the people you wanna shoot?

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from Black Rifle addict wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

"When the time comes and it will that n citizens are told to either voluntarily relinquish their guns or have them confiscated by either U.S. or U.N. troops."I guess Stalin was right-The threat to America's freedom will come from within.Oh, and Drug addicts don't "fear" like career criminals do, breakin perps are good at avoiding contact with homeowners-tanked up drug thugs don't...and they will harm "life partners" too. Wake up comic book reader-this is real World stuff.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

See Micheal Moore's Bowling for Columbine. The movie speaks for itself.

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from Peter C wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

We have seen the enemy, and he is pretending to be one of us. Bigbenr, you've made your point. Why don't you just go back to the Barack or Hillary blog where you came from?

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

((((Hey boys-this is GUN NUT BLOG get it?))))I've been watching this site for sometime now. I subscribe to a number of Usenet Newsgroups, and belong to a few Yahoo Groups and other online forums. This gun board has the best practice for tolerance.You guys have been sweeties and not like the other mean streaked gun boards I visit. I wanna talk about sensable gun laws , yes. Thats my hope. When the time comes and it will that n citizens are told to either voluntarily relinquish their guns or have them confiscated by either U.S. or U.N. troops.I am so tired of the NRA using the same old tired rheteric to kill any attempt to enact sensable gun laws. What is the deal with making people wait before selling them a gun. Maybe if we had stricter gun laws the kids at Littleton Colorado would still be alive today.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

((((Wait until some cocain addict busts your door down with a baseball bat and threatens to bash your wife's)))) I have a relationship with my life partner and "HIS" name is Erik.. Having Basically Secure Doors. An electronic keypad-dead bolt combination is our defense. The two things a nutso burglar fears most are being seen and exterior doors having heavy duty dead bolts and reinforced door jams.

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from Black Rifle addict wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Seems to me our plant from the anti's are the "no name" and Bigbenr-bloggers.Hey boys-this is GUN NUT BLOG get it?Wait until some cocain addict busts your door down with a baseball bat and threatens to bash your wife's head in for drug money..maybe you can tell him you didn't believe in violence and gave up your guns? Maybe he will still smash your head in after he takes said money and leaves?Right..wait until the sh*t hits the fan and we'll see how "outdated" you think the 2nd Amend really is!

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from Mike wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

Bigbenr, I will agree with you on the gun show thing, but the other issue is do we just make it guns shows? or will it be from private citizen to private citizen? If so how can we make it so it doesn't cost you a fee every time you want to? Right now if you do not purchase a firearm from a brick and mortar store it would cost you a fee to have a background check done. As far as the VT tragedy, this guy went in a legally purchased a firearm after passing the required background check. So how do you change that? Removing handguns or "semiautomatic Assault weapons" wouldn't stop people, it just means they would go back to using hunting rifles like that guy back in the '60s at Austin, TX. When a Society gets away from a moral base, whatever moral base you choose, it will have an increase in crime and violence. If you look throughout history you will see this. I am not saying we necessarily need to follow a Judeo-Christiaqn moral base, but as a society you need to have a strong moral base to prevent society from tearing itself apart. Also, If you make the laws enforcable and have a judicial system where the punishment is actually served out for the crime, it makes the "average criminal" think twice about doing that particualr crime. At this point in our society, we have gotten so far off our moral base that I don't really know if we can get back. As far as the registering of gun owners and guns, the only thing this does is now create a way to track the law abiding citizens, it does nothing for the criminal element. And it gives another tool to the anti-gun lobby in the event of another situation like Hurricane Katrina, because now they have a list to go in and take away firearms instead of guessing. Even though it was ruled that this seizure was illegal well after the fact, it did nothing to help or protect the people who had their legal property seized illegally. Every time there is a tragedy like VT or Columbine, the anti-gun lobby uses this to highlight how deadly guns are, but it comes to light later that the tradegy could have been prevented if staff had done a better job of getting the incividuals the help they desperatly needed.Bottom line...Be afraid of anyone who wants to restrict or take away any of the 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights, because once they take away ant one of them, they have set precedent to take away all of them.

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from Bigbenr wrote 6 years 52 weeks ago

The voting public wants common sense gun laws now.I cannot fathom why any law-abiding citizen would own an assault weapon or packing a pistol. Using a hunters sniper rifle during a hike through the woods on a cool autumn morning has no sex appeal.But semiautomatic guns aren’t used for safety or recreation; their rat-a-tat is meant to turn a civilian landscape into something resembling a war zone. This nation first restricted private ownership of fully automated weapons — that is, machine guns — in 1934. Why owning a Kalashnikov or an Uzi has a more acceptable public purpose eludes me.Most of the nation's 50 states do not require gun owners to be licensed or guns to be registered, nor do they require background checks for guns purchased at gun shows.Every state should license gun owners and register all guns thats not on the ban list.There's no reason this can't be done. We do this with cars and it doesn't limit anyone's freedom.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 3 hours ago

"What we are saying is both cars and guns are only accesories. And when stupid people dont know the their own limitations sometimes people die."That's like saying that while drinking and driving causes accidents, penalizing people for doing so would be infringing on their rights, that drinking and driving is just a fact of life.Is this event in VA okay or is it not okay? If you're happy with the status quo, if you feel that a massacre every few years is an acceptable price to pay, then I guess you can feel that though I strongly disagree. If you feel that what happened isn't okay, then maybe things need to change so that future such tragedies can hopefully be prevented.

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from SH00T2THR1LL wrote 7 years 5 hours ago

AMEN a gun in the hand is always better than a cop on the phoneTo blankWhat we are saying is both cars and guns are only accesories. And when stupid people dont know the their own limitations sometimes people die. Thats why you need to get educated before you start driving. Nobody blames the Porsche when it hits a child going 110 and the driver is drunk. So why does the gun get blamed not the shooter in a gun related crime?

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from Been there-Done that wrote 7 years 6 hours ago

I;m sorry VT had such an unfortunate situation, but when you got a deranged mind, anything is posible. How many people in Iraq are killed by bombs (non guns) daily. I have a carry permit and am a died in the wool hunter. My pocket gun, a 380 Kel-tec goes where I go if my pants are on.If one of teh students in VT had a pocket gun, don;t you think he would have taken a shot at the shooter????. If you were in a resturant, grocery store, ball game, etc, had you rather have a guy sitting beside you with a pocket gun if a robber appears, than to have a BEER. Beer don;t kill, but they do cause some idiots to Kill. Guns are designed for hunting, proctection and spot. You can eliminate all the legal gun ownes, but the crooks, deranged people, will yet have them. We live in a society that the Morals have gone to Hell in a hand-basket. BAck to VT, where was the security or police between the 2 shootings, which were 2 hrs apart.I will just continue to carry my pocket gun and try to protect my-self and family. But, when I go to the woods hunting, will have other firearms much more powerful like a 44 mag and a 300 Win Mag, etc. This nimrod in VT had given the school troble in the past and not they said the warning were many, why was he allowed to ramain on campus. If you behavior ws such in the work place you A-- would be fired. I feel sorry for the family's of VT studens and hope other schools take heed and respond before its too late. We citizens need to open our eyes and minds and if we see/hear something that needs looking into, for god's sake do it.

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from CB wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

Bigbenr, guns don't kill people, people kill people. If we outlaw guns only criminals will have them. I'm guessing you never had your house burglarized while you were inside. With out a gun you couldn't fight back. The real coward is the person that is afraid of guns and that would be you. So it is you that is the COWARD. You also claim that parents who take their kids out to shooting ranges are not responsible. You couldn't be any more wrong. Taking a kid out to the shooting range teaches them gun safety and responsibility. I was taken to the gun range when I was around eight years old. It was one of the greatest experiences of my life. I hunt and I fish. I enjoy those freedoms a lot. Any way why are you on a hunting website seems how it looks like you are against hunting ang gun ownership. Once again guns dont kill people people kill people, as I have never heard of a gun just walking of the shelf and shooting someone.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

"If banning handguns will prevent killing, then banning cars will stop drunk driving. Maybe banning computers will stop people like you from making asinine statements on the internet.Wake up Rosie, guns are not the problem. Pepople are the problem."What you are trying to say by talking about cars and other things is that events like this fall under the category of acceptable losses; having a mass killing every few years is just the price that has to be paid to maintain the status quo and that price is acceptable to you.So since people are the problem, we should ban people?

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from Willard wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

From the presidents that like to hunt!If I were you I wouldn't go hunting with the vice-president, he needs to get his eyes checked.

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from Mike wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

If you would look at the current laws they are adequate for gun control, but they are not being properly enforced....hmmmmmmm....

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from Mike wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

As i said earlier Bigbenr,AUSTRALIA ACTUALLY PUNISHES THE CRIMINALS WHO USE GUNS. THE CRIMINALS ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE PUNISHMENT WILL BE FOR THE CRIME, AND KNOW THAT A LAWYER WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET THEM A REDUCED SENTENCE.

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from Ed J wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

20,000 gun deaths.200 mureders100 times the rateinocent children being killed in large numbers,Where do these numbers come from?

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

"We don't need social programs!!we need more involvment in the church's & comunity"I don't have any faith in churches to provide the necessary things for a good society. Funny how you don't trust government yet you'll trust an entity that has absolutely zero accountability. Churches don't have to tell anyone what they are doing with the money they collect nor can they be held accountable for how they spend the money they collect.Again, why do conservatives hate the idea of self rule? Why do they want some father figure to do it all for them? Why do they want to politically emasculate themselves? Why do they refuse to be part of making the decisions on how to run our country? Why not just cut out the middleman and ask for a dictator?

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from Matt P. wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

We don't need social programs!!we need more involvment in the church's & comunity !!let me warn you , socialists like Bigbenr are going to be the down fall of this once great nation !!! Let's take her BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

Guns should be outlawed. We shouldn't need them. Think how many people are DEAD because of guns in our society. How many times do you read about somebody shooting up a school or their workplace?? Guns are for COWARDS. They are an EASY way for an inferior person to feel like a man. Show the thugs that they are not the men they think they are. They are cowards.Lets unarm people! don't think guns are a necessary part of a community, and nor should they be available to the public. In America, there are something like 20,000 gun-related deaths every year. In other countries, such as Australia for instance, there are around 200 MURDERS per year. that is 100 times less than in the states, and doesn't take into account killings by other means (stabbing etc.) I know the population of Australia is only around 20 million, but the statistics are still disproportionately high. Australia has some pretty tough gun control laws, and I can tell you now that it is very rarely that you hear of a gun-related death in the news over there. Furthermore, I don't feel that being a parent and taking your 16 year old kid to a shooting range could be considered "responsible" and nor would I consider that child to be well-adjusted. Just my thoughts, I know you'll all disagree and claim that its part of our rights as Americans, but I;m just not sure anymore whether it should be.

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from Willard wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

Law abiding citisens would give up their guns if the law said to. Criminals would not. Law abiding citisens would therefore render themselves defenseless. Criminals would not. A person who is mentally likely to commit a crime with a gun, would do so wether or not a law abiding person likes it or not. If they couldn't buy a gun, they could simply make one. you will not make a differance to the criminal, you will only make yourself an easier target for a criminal by leaving yourself and loved ones without the choice to protect yourself. The reason we are Americans today, and not Japanese, is because we have firearms and can defend ourselves. We are not Germans, because we can defend ourselves. We are not in death camps, because we can defend ourselves.No-one will snap their fingers and make all the guns go away. If you think that'll happen, you are saddly mistaken. If this "nut" that shot all those kids in Va. didn't have a gun, he would have used something else. Someone mentioned nuclear, now there's something to be afraid of, you'll never find a place far enough away to hide from nuclear. So if you want to live in paranoia, help yourselves. But your better off helping your children grow with a better understanding of love and morals. We can't turn the clock back. Enjoy your families for the "now", there's really no telling what tomorrow will bring.

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 7 hours ago

(((London has low crime becasue its mainly full of Brits Prague has low crime because its mainly full of Hungarians get the point?)))You might have somthing there, Porcupine! So you're a racist?Whats new with gun toting racist?

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from SHOOT2TH1LL wrote 7 years 8 hours ago

Well to back pedal alittle. Bigbenr If the supreme court decided that somehow in the constitution that it is a womens constitutional right to have an abortion than im pretty sure that its my right to own a gunAnd as for the great prestiges Europeans. That whole not owning a gun thing sure helped when Hitler got control. He roled over the whole freaking continent and one of the first things he did in Germany was pass an all gun ban.And as for crime we must think what causes crime not what instraments cause crime. What causes crime is differances. Think about the major conflicts in Europe. Irish Catholic vs. British Protestants, Basque rebels vs. the spanish gov't, not to mention the intire Balkans. Also think of major conflicts in the past the crusades muslims vs. christians (not fought with guns). Or communists chinese vs. the national party. The bottom line is countries like Latvia dont have alot of crime becuase its full of Latvians.Here in america were are a whole melting pot of races. Here in california we have a whole influx of southestern asian which bring with them more racism than i've ever seen. Add 12,000,000 (ya count the zeros) undocumented s. americans and a couple million blacks who are still disgruntled about slavery and 'the man' plus a couple of white trash people who still think their 'superior' and you get violence. In the majority of gangs membership is decided by race. And as a result cities like Los Angles are virtual hotboxes of violence.London has low crime becasue its mainly full of Brits Prague has low crime because its mainly full of Hungarians get the point?

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from Mike wrote 7 years 8 hours ago

Hey Bigbenr,riddle me this? Why is it the liberals want to increase gun bans, but refuse to increase the punishment for using a firearm in a crime? And why is it the "liberal judges" who have consistently reduced sentences of "gun toting criminals"? The main differences between U.S. and Europe/Australia is unfortunately we have gotten soft on crime and refuse to get tough again whereas they have it in black and white. If we could get back to where crime and the punishment were set in stone and not negotiable, you would notice a decrease in all crime. Our prisions are not what they used to be, now prisoners get TV, A/C and many privaleges that almost 1/3 of our free citizens can't afford. As far as the social programs, If we would start holding our Government and politicians more accountable for their spending then we could afford to enact more social programs.

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from Mark wrote 7 years 8 hours ago

Bigbenr seems to becoming more shrill and frothing. Right?Hope he/she doesn't bust his/her keyboard. :-)

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 8 hours ago

(((((its so great over there, why haven't you moved over there?))))Right.Seems outlawing guns REDUCES crime, as long as you don't half-ass it.Carry a gun, go to prison. Gun crime goes WAY down, since 'outlaws' usually get their guns by buying them from 'citizens' or stealing them from 'citizens'.Just ask the FBI, they document about 2 MILLION cases a year. You keep ignoring the fact that the criminals with records CAN BE STOPPED if there is no ilicit source for weapons, because said weapons are banned.Now think it through.No private possession of weapons.No black market for handguns, Bolt sniper rifles,ak45 assualt ,m16 military rifles. You aren't going to risk prison for 2 or 3 years in order to go around armed looking for a target of opportunity.Unless you are TOTALLY stupid that is. Can we stop the Insanity? I do not, nor will I attempt to, uderstand the nra 's rational.

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 9 hours ago

I repeat for emphasis.YOU have no 'gun rights' whatever.The STATE has a right to a Militia.The first half of the 2nd amendment is the ONLY example of a right granted that comes with a declared limitation and allowable purpose. The U.S. Supreme Court agrees with ME, the right to keep a well-regulated Militia belongs to the STATE!Yeah, there's an idea.Armed teachers.So next time an unruly student irritates the overworked, underpaid, out of pocket spending teacher, s/he can just pop the little bugger.Oh, and that nasty bit about guns killing the owners far more often than the owners kill 'bad' guys?Too bad I guess. There is a better answer.Outlaw the private possession of firearms.Don't tell me it can't work, Britian forbids in-home possession of even shotguns, and lo, they DON'T have Columbines and the like.If we haven't the guts to try to stop the things from being sold, why not open up all the stops and let in nuclear weapons for every psycho?

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from Ed J wrote 7 years 9 hours ago

Hey Bigbenr,If its so great over there, why haven't you moved over there?

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 9 hours ago

"""President Bush is indeed a hunter""" The Bush administration has been shooting itself in the foot since it was installed into power. Of course shrub has continued the idiotic lagacy of Ronnie Raygun by slashing government mental health budgets...remember, Mr. 'Shining City on a Hill' was the one who emptied out the mental institutions and put all the disturbed people on the street...cut the budget for social programs! Cut taxes for the rich! Eliminate any semblance of government regulation of businesses and industry...let pollution and consumer/investor rip-off reign! Jettison a reality-based government for 'faith-based' solutions! The all-might market will reduce pollution, keep our food standards high, and take care of all of society's needs! Gun control is hitting your target! I used to be a republican...then I woke up...apparentlt one-third of Amerika's population is still in, and always will be in, the right-wing zombie trance. Go to bed at night asking yourself why in the hell all the nations in the European Union have vastly fewer gun homicides and suicides and accidental gun deaths than we do. Kindof takes all the wind out of the tired old mantras that 'If we take away the guns from law abiding citizens, then only criminals will have guns', as well as the tired old chestnut about redneck citizens needing guns to defend themselves from the possibility of their government turning autocratic...how many Euro governments have turned on their citizens in the last 60 years? The answer is for citizens to participate in their own governments (We the people...), not buy guns and bury them in PVC pipes in their back yards for 'the coming revolution'. Wake up, fellow Americans: We still have a great country, but we are behind the Europeans, Aussies, and Canadians on most quality of life measures (crime, pollution, education, health care and health of citizenry, social safety nets, and more. Are we really too arrogant to learn anything from the rest of the world? Sorry Ronnie Raygun...it is NOT 'Morning in America'...how about 'Mourning FOR America'. All you delusional cretans go pray to your God for all the good that will will do.

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from Mark wrote 7 years 9 hours ago

I think we’re at a crossroads, folks.I can’t believe the disgusting spin[s] I hear and read in the news and in this blog that is high jacking a tragic and most unfortunate event to further an agenda. Have these people no shame or values that will prevent them from using any issue, any event, sacrifice any ideal, subvert any policy to gain control?

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from Jethro Lilley wrote 7 years 9 hours ago

Two more things and I will shut up... Quotes from Benjamin Franklin:Anyone who will give up some of his freedom for a little bit of safety deserves neither freedom nor safety...and... We must all hang together or we will most assuredly hang separately.

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 9 hours ago

The government should ban all private ownership of guns, I say that you can't be too careful, and we must do this to protect the children. Citizens should not have the right to own firearms for self-protection, hunting, target shooting, and recreational purposes.The vast proportions of Americans recognize the reality that individuals do not have a legitimate need for guns.We must recognize that gun violence is a multi-faceted problem and requires a multi-faceted approach. We must recognize that as we sit idly by, that police officers and scores of innocent children are being injured or killed.They are weapons of war and are being adopted in large numbers by the most violent members of our society. Since Democrats first enacted the Military gun ban in 1994, there was a 84% reduction in the crimes committed by these weapons. Congress must act to re-enact the Assault Weapons ban.There is nothing "harmless" about firing a deadly weapon in even the safest of environments. It is just too risky. A stray bullet could richochet and hit someone. As you can see, any reasonable person would support the banning of all guns. Trust me on this, I was a fundamentalist gun owner for several years. I got out of the gun cult 3 years ago and would encourage others to do the same.It is clear to me that the 2nd amendment needs to be updated for the 21st century.Due to the Constitution's age and the present interpreting "arms" as guns and munitions.I want to stress that the Second Amendment is outdated.The idea of a bunch of nutso gun nuts armed with rifles and pistols going up against the world's most modern, best-equipped, best-trained army is so pathetically sad it's almost funny. I think we need teh adopt a United Nations type plan.

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from Jethro Lilley wrote 7 years 10 hours ago

OOOH! Mr. Bigbenr:A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.If you are going to quote the Second Amendment then you had better learn the wording.Our Country HAD an army at the drafting of The Constitution AND The Bill of Rights. The Militia was composed of ordinary citizens who answered the call of Patriotism with the guns that they used at home. Squirrel rifles. Shotguns. Granddad's old blunderbus, anything one could find AT HOME. No Where in the Constitution or The Bill Of Rights is the word People used to mean anything other than People. The word State meant State. The word Government meant Government.If The Right of the People means you and me in the First and Fourth Amendments, then why does it not mean the same in the Second Amendment? What about the Tenth Amendment, which reads: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively or to THE PEOPLE.Now what the Hell do you think they meant by THE PEOPLE?

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from Jethro Lilley wrote 7 years 10 hours ago

It was most certainly Lincoln who started the War of Northern Aggression when he called for 75000 troops and created an even wider division in the loyalty of the Border States.I do not know for sure if he hunted or not; however he did enjoy splitting trees in two; therefor the subsequent loss of habitat may have speeded the extinction of a species or two and should count for something.

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from KJ wrote 7 years 10 hours ago

Bigbenr,Though it may be difficult for you to be reasonable, consider for a moment the recent massacre of innocent and unarmed students at VA Tech. Firearms are off-limits on campus by law. The only person there with a gun was the bad guy.

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from Josh wrote 7 years 11 hours ago

Oops, not Steve C... The one after him, the anonymous (and obviously confused) "left wing" that won't put a name down.

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from Josh wrote 7 years 11 hours ago

If guns are banned, then only criminals, and not law-abiding citizens, could get their hands on weapons. Home owners would be defenseless from an attacker. And Steve C... Have you looked at the news? When was the last time Israel (or any of the Middle East) was a safe place? Social programs obviously haven't helped there.

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 11 hours ago

When the best miltary hardware in existence was black-powder rifles and the occasional cannon (a powerful but very hard to maneuver object). Today, the Army has fighter jets, rocket launchers, and any number of other weapons that it's already illegal for private citizens to own. Armed insurrection by the populace is not a realistic concern anymore it's a mad fantasy that no one but a paranoid nut could take seriously.The more assualt type guns are in circulation, the more chance there is that it will be discharged accidentally. I don't see why gun-crazys should be allowed to carry potentially lethal anything.By exercising their freedom, they are diminishing my freedom to live in a world where there is a low risk of being accidentally shot.Gun owners should be forced by law to turn in any or all semi-assualt guns and its military ammunition.It all goes back to an obscure centuries-old document called the "Constitution of the United States of America." Specifically, there is a part of this document (a late addition, not part of the original text) known as the "Second Amendment." It goes something like this:A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.It seems obvious that the authors of this document intended this amendment to be used to supply guns to the Army. At no point does it suggest that the average man off the street with no military training should be permitted to own a gun!The Second Amendment only protects the "collective" State right to maintain a militia, not an individual right to keep and bear arms.

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 12 hours ago

Why is it necessary to have guns to defend yourself? Ok, I get the point of self defense but in my opinion there would be no need for guns for self defense if guns were banned.Generally, I don't understand are gun laws. it's perfectly clear that the freedom of owning guns is a very significant factor in crime. The more guns around in unresponsible hands, the bigger possibility to get your head blown off for no reason. Just look at the other countries, people manage without guns under their pillows. And I bet that has something to do with lower crime rates as well.I'm just saying that is the freedom of having guns really worth it? Does it bring more good than bad with it? I really doubt that. Guns are made for killing. Nowadays, mostly for killing PEOPLE. I think there's something very wrong in the system if bearing guns is considered necessary needed.We need teh open our eye's people.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 12 hours ago

"no one seems to look at Israel to prove that gun/citizen ownership works"Guns or lack thereof do not make for safe societies. There are safe places in the world with virtually zero guns and places with ample guns. There are places in the world with lots of guns that are incredibly dangerous. What makes for a safe society, like what exists in Israel, is social programs, something the right wing hates with a passion (except when they are enacted outside the US borders).

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from Steve C wrote 7 years 13 hours ago

We are reminded every day that people with intent to kill can seldom be stopped.Existing laws and future laws have no bearing on this fact.

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from Peter C wrote 7 years 13 hours ago

I find it very disturbing that anyone on this forum would suggest banning handguns - or any species of guns, for that matter. I would hope that the writer who expressed these sentiments is in fact a "troll" or a plant from the Brady Campaign or some similar anti-gun group. We gun owners have our self-declared enemies...Schumer, Kennedy, McCarthy, Conyers, Biden, Clinton, etc., etc., ad nauseam. We do not need elitists or Fuddites in our ranks giving aid and comfort to these enemies. We must all hang together, owners of Perazzis and Hi-Points alike, or we will assuredly hang separately ...and you can bet your Pelosi on that!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 7 years 13 hours ago

Sorry-My last sentance should read"That's the fundatmental difference in our country"

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from Rusty in MO wrote 7 years 13 hours ago

I am amazed at the responses after the VT shooting. Concerns of the race of the shooter, was the gun registered, etc. As far as the Civil War there was nothing civil about it, more died in single battles than in Iraq to date; seven of eight of my GGrandfathers fought in it, for both sides, thats history, get over it. the one thing that has shown through is the freedom to express ourselves; this is a great thing. keep it up but keep it controlled and with a point to it. Good luck to all and keep talking about your beliefs but in less a rant.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 7 years 13 hours ago

To Unknown Author-I agree with you that law abiding gun ownership makes for mostly respectful people, not always of course, but most of the time...thus the respect to own the gun legally.As for able bodied people owning guns; look at Israel.I understand people use "Europe" as the example of non-gun ownership, but crime still occurs there and no one seems to look at Israel to prove that gun/citizen ownership works!Oh, I guess having to fight for freedom requires gun ownership,right? Our constitution was written to control the government not the people! That's the fundamental difference of country.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 14 hours ago

"Our enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe have already banned handguns in their countries and may wonder why we have not done the same in the US, especially with the rising crime rate and handgun violence statistics."I assume since they have banned handguns all the crime in their "enlightened" countries is gone?Personally I believe everyone should carry a gun, possibly a law requiring all able bodied and mentally competent citizens to carry? The majority of people I know who do carry are more polite and civil than most of the others in the unarmed population.Coincidence?Have you ever seen a fight break out in a Gun Shop? I haven't.Restaurants, yes. Offices, Yes. Gun Shops, never seen it happen, generally gun people are more respectful and polite than others I have encountered.

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from Black Rifle addict wrote 7 years 17 hours ago

To Bigbenr-I agree gun locks are a good idea, but they are only effective if the owner uses them. All reputable gun manufactures include it with their product. Here in Michigan, most retail stores give a FREE trigger lock even if the gun is sold with one from the manufacture.As for the NRA-There web site opens with a very heart felt condolence statement sending prayers to the familes and everyone effected by this tradedy.As for America's fascination with guns, most of the non-gun cultures wished they could have our freedoms to own them...it's not about guns but the RIGHT TO OWN THEM!!"Gun owners would rather have children shoot themselves" YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT?? Come now, we as gun owners can agree to disagree,but making a comment like that is offensive to us all!

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from Bigbenr wrote 7 years 18 hours ago

Va. Tech grieves & wonders what caused a student's rage the NRA is down playing this genocide.America's fascination with guns is well-known throughout the more civilized world. Our enlightened brothers and sisters in Europe have already banned handguns in their countries and may wonder why we have not done the same in the US, especially with the rising crime rate and handgun violence statistics.Now with terrorism, the threat of gun violence is even more real. Why do NRA madmen persist in their love affair with guns?They fight tooth and nails against trigger locks, even though trigger locks are proven to dramatically reduce accidental shootings. The gun owners would rather have children shooting themselves than have to store their guns responsibly. They also want all schoolteachers to be heavily armed, ostensibly as a "deterrent" against future Columbine like incidents. Of course they ignore the fact that using violence as a deterrent against violence never works (look how well the death penalty has cut the murder rate in the U.S.)it appears by arming schoolteachers their true agenda is to increase the amount of children removed from society as a result of accidental shootings.DON't put it past the none.

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from scott wrote 7 years 18 hours ago

Well, damn. It seems like those *($*%)( sonsof **(*^%) have done it again. I can appreciate the comments on Maher, Rosie and even, though I am staunchly conservative, Mssr. Lincoln. He was probably hated by as many in the north as he was in the south. But if we as a collective group of firearms users are to keep our butts out of trouble we'd best learn to put aside our small differences and remain loyal to our primary goal. Let us not fall prey to division from within. I'm afraid there is no wiggle room here.

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from Chucky in Kentucky wrote 7 years 20 hours ago

As an avowed southern right winger, I can say that I and the other right wingers I associate with, are not racists and dont see the world in black and white, but in right and wrong. It is the non-judgemental, feel good attitudes that allow a person to believe that his individual hurts are so bad that he can take them out on 60+ other people. I contend that if this mentally deranged person who was taught by liberal professors had not hurt these people with a gun, he would have done so with a bomb or by other means. Remember, there is evidence that the bomb threats sent to the University were sent by this person. We believe in the rights given to us by the Constitution of the US as well as by God, and yes, we will continue to fight and argue to see that these rights are not whittled away by those who have an unrealistic utopian view of what society should be.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 7 years 22 hours ago

I wanted to share this quote from an IFAW Relations Rep-It relates to hunting primarily, but I think it will help us to understand the mantality of thinking the anti's are using to take away our rights."For myself I can say I understand hunting for food but I don'tunderstand for sport. I don't think killing something live for pleasure(vs eating) makes sense. Maybe if the animals had guns or we hunted byhand but even then, I cant rationalize it for fun. I understand a lotof things are done, because they've always been done but that doesn'talways make it right. We would still have slavery if that were true andmaybe some other unpleasant things,too. Just for the record, I wouldn'tblame the hunter but the person who was not smart enough to stay awayfrom a wild animal! Again, Thanks for your comments and for expressingyour opinion in such a nice way. Have a great day."I believe in FREE SPEECH, but how could one debate against a group that compares hunting(as a tradition)to slavery of humans?We can have differences of opinions, but we need to stay focused as gun owners since liberal garbage like this is spread around..this kind of thinking from the IFAW is a threat to all our rights!

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from Rick wrote 7 years 1 day ago

As far as JFK goes, maybe he didn't hunt but he was an NRA member! He realized and respected the value of the 2nd.

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from SHOOT2TH1LL wrote 7 years 1 day ago

What about clinton bombing Iraq to take heat off the press from when we found out he LIED to the country while under oath.Amen to J.M.Ya the whole intire Civil war was about slavery. thats why less than half the people who fought for the south owned slaves. Very few people were big-wig plantation owners and the ones that were often got out of the war because they were rich (sound familiar) remeber history repeats itself.As for this whole gun control thing. Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie fat and like pencils mispell words. And heres a solution for you. How about kill stupid people. This guy at VT was showing aton of signs and yet the administration did nothing. HMMM dumb people teaching our kids. Thats nothing new.

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from Rick wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Come on, Dave. You like Maher? What's next? You sharing a couch with Rosie? Thank God most people view Maher as nothing more than a frustrated flip- flopping blowhard entertainer (remember when he was a Libertarian?) His tendency toward socio-fascism is despicable.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"I have counted only real wars, not casual bloodlettings like Ronald Reagan’s debacle in Beirut, or Bubba’s excellent adventure in Somalia)"It's nice that you feel the deaths of 241 US servicemen is such silly thing; just more 'support the troops' from the right. And Clinton didn't start the Somalia stupidity, that was just the right doing one of their favorite tricks of leaving a mess for a Democrat to deal with from the get-go. Bush didn't start the Somalia stupidity until after he lost the election.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"If banning handguns ..."Who said anything about bans? Why can't the right wingers think in terms that aren't just black and white? Why can't the right wingers take part in a meaningful way in self-governing?If you can't break from that mode of thinking, it will end up being black and white, meaning nothing will change until a total ban is enacted. Now is the time for the pro-gun crowd to offer solutions so that gun rights can be preserved. Why is this so hard for so many to understand?

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"Another putz that thinks the so called "Civil War" was about slavery. Try doing a little research and stop regurgitating what was shoved down your throat by revisionist historians."Go read the Confederate Declaration, putz, and stop bleating racist revisionist crap. They state directly, "increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery" as the reason for their actions in seceeding from the Union. Stop making excuses for the evil that was done. Stop making excuses for traitors to the lawful government of the USA.

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from J.M. wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"Mankinds human nature is the problem. Yes men used, and are using, religion to try to control others. Yes people use assorted weapons to kill others who don't give them what they want.Does this mean religion or weapons are the problem? No one in their right mind could say this. Take away a faith that speaks of love, compassion, peace, and selflessnes and you have self centered people who will do "whatever it takes" to have their will. Take away guns- they will use knives. Take away knives- they will use rocks or clubs. Take away those and these violent selfish people will kill with their BARE HANDS!The idea of taking guns away from law abiding citzens (a constitutional right as well as GOD given) will leave only the criminals with guns. This is what Hitler and other dictators have done throughout history to take control."Thank you. P.J. It's nice to know some folks out there get it.

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from J.M. wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"Another really stupid attitude. Why do you hate America as you hate the legitimate US government? Why do you side with traitors to our nation? Why do you like being associated with the evil of slavery and racism? This stupid attitude has to end else our country is doomed. Start being part of the USA, start working for a better future for the whole US."Another putz that thinks the so called "Civil War" was about slavery. Try doing a little research and stop regurgitating what was shoved down your throat by revisionist historians.

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from J.M. wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"Handguns are the problem."If banning handguns will prevent killing, then banning cars will stop drunk driving. Maybe banning computers will stop people like you from making asinine statements on the internet.Wake up Rosie, guns are not the problem. Pepople are the problem.

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from PJ Brady wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Like all (Ihope) the news of the shootings made me sad, sick, angry, and anxious. This type of offensive behavior will continue to occur, and should be expected, in a culture where right and wrong is left up to individual opinion and circumstance.Mankinds human nature is the problem. Yes men used, and are using, religion to try to control others. Yes people use assorted weapons to kill others who don't give them what they want.Does this mean religion or weapons are the problem? No one in their right mind could say this. Take away a faith that speaks of love, compassion, peace, and selflessnes and you have self centered people who will do "whatever it takes" to have their will. Take away guns- they will use knives. Take away knives- they will use rocks or clubs. Take away those and these violent selfish people will kill with their BARE HANDS!The idea of taking guns away from law abiding citzens (a constitutional right as well as GOD given) will leave only the criminals with guns. This is what Hitler and other dictators have done throughout history to take control.This must not happen or we will have nothing to defend ourselves from terror or tyranny. There are not enough military or law enforcement to help now! Do not ask me to trust anyone but a loving, all powerful, and rightious God who will prevail.

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from Biged wrote 7 years 1 day ago

(Handguns are the problem)Do we know if they were registered or not. And if they were registered how would that make a difference

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from Biged wrote 7 years 1 day ago

To: JA Demco,I have the right to say that, in 1967 I took one in the face and two in the back but we beat the butt face. While on the ground he shot me in the back.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Handguns are the problem. The pro-gun crowd needs to come to grips with that fact. In 2005, 72.6% of all murders were committed with guns and 87.3% of those guns were handguns (source: FBI Uniform Crime Reports). Handguns need to be registered and regulated. Clamp down on handguns as if the pro-gun crowd won't, then anti-gun crowd will clamp down on all guns. Preserve the right to own firearms as it is now for all the non-handguns.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"to those of us who are lucky (and smart enough) to live south of the mason-dixon line the Civil War is termed "The War of Northern Aggression"."Another really stupid attitude. Why do you hate America as you hate the legitimate US government? Why do you side with traitors to our nation? Why do you like being associated with the evil of slavery and racism? This stupid attitude has to end else our country is doomed. Start being part of the USA, start working for a better future for the whole US.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"the victms had to be stupid to stand there while he reloaded a few times."That is an incredibly stupid thing to say, said by someone who has never been in such a circumstance. You will freeze and/or run like everyone else.People say these things because they fear being in that very situation and feeling totally powerless against a totally crazy person. They have to think that they could change something that is a near hopeless situation.

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from JA Demko wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Gable Sadovsky,Is that the same war that up here we call The Failed Southern Rebellion?Dave Petzal,Glad to have made you smile; that's something I do too seldom for too few people. However, I appear to have not slathered on my sarcasm lavishly enough. I was mocking the hostility toward The Media rather than implying that you were some kind of corporate mouthpiece.

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from Gable Sadovsky wrote 7 years 1 day ago

To Mike Diehl,to those of us who are lucky (and smart enough) to live south of the mason-dixon line the Civil War is termed "The War of Northern Aggression".

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from Biged wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Well not with this thing yesterday, the anti gunners will go nuts. I heard on the news today that this idiod lined up the victms and shot them at least 3 times each, now thats 90+ shots, it must have been like in the movies he never ran out of ammo.One handgun was a 9mm, and one was a 22cal. well all i can the victms had to be stupid to stand there while he reloaded a few times. By god if i know i was going to be shot i would be grabbing someone while he was doing it, after he shot the first few.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"Have you heard anyone say we need to do away with religions?"There are plenty who want a secular society, to remove the influence of religion from the workings of our self-rule, to make religion incapable of starting atrocities.Why is everything have to be full-on, do anything you want or totally banned with the conservative side? Why can't they accept the responsibility of self governance, that it isn't always easy especially on contentious issues, that it takes work by us all to make it work right, that many things need regulation and control and that where the limits of that regulation and control should be needs thorough and level-headed discussion.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 1 day ago

"With this latest lunacy in VA yesterday, it's not a question of if, but when they'll start all over again."If those who seek to keep the right to own firearms don't offer up solutions so that future tragedies like this can't happen again, then you won't be relevant when the legislation is passed to hopefully prevent future tragedies. The pro-gun crowd can't simply be in rear guard mode and hope to keep the right to own firearms intact forever. Stop whining about what the anti-gunners are doing and offer up something else.

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from Michael wrote 7 years 1 day ago

violence begets violence; hunters are cruel inhumane people; etc.etc. Comments along these ignorant Dr. Feelgood themes are always good for controversy & sometimes headlines which is free publicity. Throughout history more innocent people were slaughtered in the name of religon than in all the wars combined. Have you heard anyone say we need to do away with religions? Nope. Wish we could have another president like Teddy Roosevelt.

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from Dave Petzal wrote 7 years 1 day ago

To Ralph: I don't know a thing about Wal-Mart except that I buy my WV hunting license there every fall. I would tend to doubt that any maker would sell inferior stuff through Wal-Mart; it's still got their name on it.To Mr. Demko: Thanks for bringing a rare smile to my careworn face. I've been with F&S since 1972. In that time we've been owned by CBS Inc., Times Mirror, The Chicago Tribune, Time Warner, and three or four others that I'm forgetting at the moment. In other words, a major sampling of what you call "the media."Now in all that time and with all that ever-changing cast of corporate characters, I've seen greed, stupidity, incompetence, short-sightedness and self-interestt as a daily fact of life, but the one thing I've never seen was anyone trying to tell me--or F&S--what to say.It wasn't that any of these corporations cared about truth, or ethics. It was simply that no one saw a way to advance their careers or make more money by doing so. If someone thought they could advance from Senior Vice President to executive Vice President by dictating to us, they would have done so. But it never hapened.I do not expect you to believe this, but remember: I've been here and you are there. And thanks again for the smile.

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from jstreet wrote 7 years 1 day ago

It's amazing how few presidents (according to Mr. Petzal) were considered hunters.

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from Chad Love wrote 7 years 1 day ago

OK, I think we're sort of degenerating here and hijacking the blog but I've got to defend Maher as not nearly as "liberal" as a lot of you knee-jerk guys think. Like any independent-minded person, he's pretty much all over the board and there's no one spot in the idealogue matrix he occupies. In my book that's the mark of a thinking person.

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from John wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Man, Bill Mahar sucks more than anything or anyone that has ever sucked before. He is boring, pompous, and downright stupid. Yes, I will revert to grade school insults on this clown. Bill Mahar, you suck, you stupid poopy head liberal moron. The mere sight of your face and the sound of your voice makes me vomit.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 7 years 1 day ago

How do you know that Lincoln was not a hunter? It's not as though when he was a boy in rural KY or IL there were hunting licenses, with a requisite chain of historical documents that you can look to in order to establish that he wasn't issued a license.(And of course, Lincoln didn't "start" the War of the Rebellion. That is why in the U.S. Army's official history it's called the "War of the Rebellion.")

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from jdd wrote 7 years 1 day ago

If you like Bill Maher you more than likely admire Rosie. You can kiss my Republican ass and that goes for Field and Stream. I quit reading New York sh@# a long time ago

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from Dumba** wrote 7 years 1 day ago

David: This appears to be as good a time & place as any to tell you that your "Letter From Fuddville" in the May issue of F&S was right on the money. Thank you, and it's about time someone articulated it as well as you did. With this latest lunacy in VA yesterday, it's not a question of if, but when they'll start all over again. And if we don't all pull together, we are doomed.

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from Gable Sadovsky wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Not only is President Bush a hunter, but when he ran against the late Ann Richards for Gov. of Texas he and Ann made the front page of the San Antonio Express News. President Bush though was cited for shooting a protected species during dove season.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Dave-I read a book about Harry S.(S was just an "S" by the way and was not a name abbreviated)Truman in which he was a farm boy that grew up with firearms but after his tour of duty with WWI did not fancy anything to do with them again...I do have another question I left on your "guilty" blog in which I wanted to know if you have any concrete facts on the Wal-Mart special gun run order that other bloggers were debating about?I would think that manufactures would not engage in this type of quality issues if not for the product reputation, at least for safety issues?Your thoughts Sir Petzal?

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from Chad Love wrote 7 years 1 day ago

...and of course Bill Maher is a jackass, but in the confederacy of dunces that is modern American culture you have to do a lot braying to get your point across all the white noise.

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from Chad Love wrote 7 years 1 day ago

I don't quite get the whole media bashing thing. If by "peddling" you mean the free and open exchange of ideas, then yes, I'll continue buying. There's a very good reason the press is called the fourth estate. Despite what a shocking number of the American sheeple think, "The Media" is an absolute conrnerstone of democracy, whether it's a blog, a newspaper, magazine, talk radio, whatever. That's why I think it's very easy but very dangerous to retreat into our own little special-interest echo chambers.That's why I still listen to Bill Maher, still read Kurt Vonnegut and still follow this (among other) blogs. I like contrarian points of view, and just because F&S happens to be owned by a corporation doesn't mean there's an underlying corporate-planned ulterior motive behind everything.Hell, I read the New Yorker (well, i try anyway. I don't always understand it, I do it mainly to learn big words and look smart) and it's owned by Conde Naste, one of the biggest print media giants out there. I certainly don't feel peddled to by them, just as I don't fell peddled to by this blog.

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from MJK wrote 7 years 1 day ago

Your problem is that you watch Bill Maher. He is a jackass.

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from David wrote 7 years 2 days ago

Yes, Mr. Demko, I shall continue buying what he is peddling.

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from JA Demko wrote 7 years 2 days ago

Dave Petzal, for good or ill, is part of the media. He writes for a magazine that is only part of a larger media corporation. Shall we buy what he is peddling?

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from SH00T2THR1LL wrote 7 years 2 days ago

Instead of vaguely bashing the right-wing with horrible infinitives (a bad thing to do in any arguement). Lets talk about the blog.It is humorous how many uneducated people probably believed Bill Maher. We need more Dave Petzals in this world. To many people just buy everything the media peddles.

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from PbHead wrote 7 years 2 days ago

If I wanted political crap, I would visit another blog. Believe me, I live in Illinois and I swim in it everyday.

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from Peter C wrote 7 years 2 days ago

What's the story on Field & Stream giving free ink to the newly-formed Union Sportsman's Alliance, an anti-gun group established to counter the NRA's appeal to union members? Apparently, the Dems are all upset that union members who are also NRA members are voting against anti-gun Democratic candidates who are supported by the union bigwigs. I guess it's a matter of priorities: what's more important, supporting your union and its agendas, or preserving your God-given right to self-defense?

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 2 days ago

"Vietnam, entered into by John F. Kennedy"At least try to learn some history. Vietnam started under Eisenhower. Kennedy wanted to end our envolvement in Vietnam but was killed before he could do so. We were pulling out our advisors at the time of his assassination. Then Johnson manufactured the Gulf of Tonkin incident and ramped up our commitment.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 2 days ago

Since when did Bill Maher represent all of the media or all of anything? The right wing just loves that feeling of persecution, so much so that they have to manufacture it when there's nothing readily available.All the things the right-wingers supposedly care about, especially gun rights, are going to be lost as the right-wingers are firmly stuck in delusionland. The right has been wrong about everything for over a decade. The stubborness to change and compromise can only hold out for so long and when change does come, you won't be part of crafting the future; those on the other side will show you the same consideration as was shown to them. You hated the idea of Democratic Party rule yet you've made sure that will be the case for at least the next decade.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 2 days ago

"Civil War, entered into by Abraham Lincoln, a non-hunter."Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner in the "Dumbest Thing Ever Said on the Internet".

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from Chad Love wrote 7 years 2 days ago

Oh, yeah, W is a big bird hunter... meadowlarks seem to be his favorite target.Dave I'm glad there are other hunters/shooters out there who aren't so doctrinaire about the public figures they admire.Bill Maher (along with the sadly passed Kurt Vonnegut) is a satiric hero of mine although I obviously disagree completely with his position on hunting (as I did with Vonnegut's on guns in general).

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from Dave Petzal wrote 7 years 2 days ago

To Ralph: I know about Lincoln. Who else?

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 7 years 2 days ago

Don't forget that a number of these former presidents were excellent marksman, so GUN NUT may actually apply here? Should be start a HUNTING NUT to make sure we do not offend those killing paper targets?

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from Dave Petzal wrote 7 years 2 days ago

To David Keith: Are you the actor of that name? Also, I believe that although W hunts birds, he doesn't do it very much; not nearly as much as he fishes.

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from David Keith wrote 7 years 2 days ago

President Bush is indeed a hunter. He hunts birds in Texas.

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from David Keith wrote 7 years 2 days ago

President Bush is indeed a hunter. He hunts birds in Texas.

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