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December 07, 2007

A List of Firearms Superlatives

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

1. THE MOST REVOLUTIONARY MODERN RIFLE:  The Remington Nylon Model 66 (1959). The Model 66 was an autoloader whose stock was made from a plastic called Zytel. It was like nothing that had come before but, unlike most radically different guns, which have terrible flaws, this one was absolutely terrific.
      
2. FINEST HANDGUN: The Korth. There is a double-action Korth revolver and a double-action auto, both made to a standard that is unattainable by all but the insane or by Germans; in this case, the latter. The guns cost so much that prices are not listed. If you buy one, will you be able to lord it over everyone else? Of Korth.
      
3. FINEST AMERICAN RIFLE:  The Winchester Model 86. This big lever-action was chambered for black-powder cartridges and is, as a piece of machinery, the best thing the United States ever sent out a factory door. Its complex mechanism is built with the precision of a watch.

4. COUPLE THAT HAS DONE THE MOST FOR THE SHOOTING INDUSTRY'S BOTTOM LINE: Bubba and Hillary. Clintonphobia has sold more guns, ammo, primers, high-capacity magazines, and AR-15s than you can shake a balance sheet at.
      
5. GREATEST SPOKESMAN FOR GUN OWNERS' RIGHTS: The Late Harlon Carter. With all respect to Charlton Heston, no one ever made jokes about Harlon. He was the founder of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action and served as its Executive Director for its first two years. Carter was an orator, and a force. I once saw him send a whole roomful of anti-gun reporters slinking from a press conference like whipped dogs.
      
6. SINGLE BEST CARTRIDGE FOR HUNTING ALL NORTH AMERICAN GAME: The .338 Winchester Magnum. Loads of power, and finesse when you need it.

7. THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT QUALITY FOR A BIG-GAME HUNTER:  Patience.
      
8. THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT QUALITY FOR A GOOD SHOT: Self-control.

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from Buck Conner wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Gentlemen,I find your thoughts interesting on the differnet hunting calibers of your choosing. Like you I have had about everything that came down the road and as time goes by and one grows older (not dirt), I find I'm liking less recoil. Now settled in on a pair of cartridge guns; Ruger No 1's, one a std barrel 6.5 x 55 Swede and the other a 22-250 bull barrel. Anyway they both hit hard as designed taking anything from elk to ground squirrels and don't beat you up.My main arms are a pair of 60 caliber (28 gauge) flinter smoothbores, hunt muzzle loading and modern rifle seasons with these guns. Taken anything from moose, buffalo to those damn ground squirrels. Fun guns.Hope everyone had a good Christmas and may you and yours New Year be better than ever.

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from Buck Conner wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Clay,I have had a dozen different 44 Specials over the years (only reason was - I think I was looking for one that shot as good as Elmer's stories)? Finally decided after years of testing on paper, steel targets, animals and so forth that Elmer's stories where just that - enjoyable stories.I once did the old Masters lock test (S&W 1950 Target pistol) shooting the lock off a hasp. Warning don't do this as the lock was harder than the bullet and sent it flying around the area bounding off different things while I was trying to get to the floor.Another time I tried to kill a rabied dog that wanted a piece of me (Charter Arms Bulldog). All shots went into the chest area at 20 feet, that's all (5) 250 grain rounds to get him down.After the last experience I switched as did several friends that had seen the dog affair to 44 Mag. Not a fun time being that close to getting chewed on.

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from Buck Conner wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Dave,I would think the .22 LR was just proof that their thinking on small caliber arms did have an advantage in war time with weight and wounding.From what I have read in other articles like you mention the .223 was developed but not field tested in real miltary action. The Nylon Model 66 proved the new 5.56 rifle had a place in warfare is what I understood, interesting.

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Interesting story Buck, and one I was totally unaware of. I have heard on numerous occasions that the 5.56 was chosen based on "wounding power" as opposed to immediate lethality, along with the obvious ability to carry much more ammunition.The light weight of the firearm and low recoil have never held water for me. I've seen the stats somewhere for the average size and build of a WWII grunt- can't remember exactly but something like 5' 7" and 140 pounds. Todays soldiers or even SEA era were apprecialbly larger specimens. Of course the world war guys were probably much more used to hard physical labor. Each succeeding generation has been less so.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

BuckSome interesting points. One thing though, the .223 (5.56mm NATO) was already under developement in the late 50s and introduced in 1960. The M14 is a great main battle rifle but the powers that be had decided almost immediately after it was introduced in 1957 to find a lighter weapon ala the M1 Carbine. The weight of the M14 and ammo was deemed too much for the average conscripted soldier to effectively carry into battle.I seriously doubt that any consideration was given to .22LR rifles as other than special use weapons, even the .22WMR is woefully inadequate for conventional warfare.I still wonder why more wasn't done to soup up the .30 Carbine round especially in light of the 7.62 x 39 AK 47 round being so effective.SA

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from Buck Conner wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Dave,I saved this article found years ago in a military magazine maybe you can shed some light on, never knew if this was true or not. Had heard this many times over the years from various sources who may have seen the same article.__________________________________The Remington Nylon Model 66At the time the Nylon Model 66 was announced to the public, Remington was in serious trouble with loans that where over due and creditors demanding payment on notes.__________________________________In 1952 Fidel Castro lost a parliamentary election and Gen. Batista overthrew the government and canceled all elections. Castro challenged the Batista regime in court, and then in 1953 organized an unsuccessful rebel force. Castro was arrested, tried and put in jail until 1955. In 1956 Fidel Castro had organize a new force known as the “26 of July Movement” in Mexico, this group launched their attack, again meeting a bloody defeat. Castro and his followers next began a guerrilla war with the aid of the CIA against the corrupt and by now very unpopular Batista regime. They quickly built a large following, also thanks to an effective propaganda campaign. January 1, 1959, Castro triumphantly took power, his guerrillas where armed with the Remington Nylon Model 66. Less than two years later Castro quickly disappointed his sympathizers with his radical policies of the early 1960’s; you know the rest of the story.__________________________________Some may remember the Nylon Model 66 was the weapon of choice for “26 of July Movement”. Light in weight, a small cartridge meant large quantities could be carried and the moisture and muddy conditions in Cuba had no effect on its ability to perform. On the other hand Batista’s forces carried heavy weapons with small amounts of ammo moving at a slower rate of speed than the guerrillas. A common practice was the guerrillas would place a box of .22’s on a flat rock, urinate on them, let them dry and then load their magazines. When one of Batista’s regime was hit with one of these rounds in a short period of time he became sicker than usual (the heat, infection from the urine along with the long wound channel of the small caliber round) this meant that it would take two additional solders to get the wounded man back to his military unit for help. This small caliber warfare was studied by the CIA and the US Government for future use (the .223 of today). Oh, thousands of Nylon 66’s where used and countless numbers of Remington’s .22 ammo helped to save the company, putting them back in the “black” with the bean counters. The Nylon Model 66 was truly a wonderful gun for Remington Arms.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Dr. RalphI sure like to know who the hell came up the idea that the 338 Win Mag is the best all around rifle? Must have been a real vegetarian. That’s Indian for poor hunter!A box of involuntarily flinch? It takes a lot of mind over flinch and knowhow to hold and shoot a Magnum like that accurately! Off the bench my 338 cleans my clock except if I’m shooting standing, kneeling or setting position.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Chev Jim: Petzal will be haunted by O'Connor until he repents. I want to see DEP with a four and a half pound NULA .338 testing ammo until he finds just the right load and sighting in that scope until he bleeds from the ears... Every time he looks at a box of .338's he'll involuntarily flinch.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

ShakyIf you get the sun behind you just right and shooting jacketed bullets you can see the 44 Spec in flight including the 44 Mag.44 Special at 400 yards? WOW!

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from sarg wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Pardon my display of words, It is the Ring mount and i've fire from the M-113 and Duce and halfs. Set some on the tripods. The proper term for the Belt should have been disinterating belt. Don't forget to button your slieves while shooting.Clay, I took agroup to Ft Knox for the state rifle matches. We had just got the new Beretta 9mm and took several with a team also. while there I was asked to help a couple of people with the 9mm. To me ,it is a dream to shoot. A little wide in the grip for smaller hands. I was on the M-16 team shooting the new A2. .They shoot good also ,but I got to shoot the Body Armor course with the Beretta, but as the marksmanship Cordinator , I Set up the M-16 and M-60 teams. We had a couple of troops make the State Team.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

SargWhat belt on a M-2 .50 Cal are you referring to as getting hot?The M-2 and M-60 both use a detachable linked belt of cartridges. I personally never saw a turret mount of anything on a M-113 APC. I saw ring mounts. So clue us in here.Yes, I slogged up and down a lot of mountains in the Central Highlands with an M-60. I was 20 and 21 years old in those days, too! A 7 pound rifle is about right now!

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from Shaky wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Sorry,the above came from me.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Just thought of a possibity,maybe he just had a problem with depth perception? Make 40yds look like 400? What do you think?

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Shaky44 spec at 400 yards and flying? JUST PURE LUCK!

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from Shaky wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

I've no dought EK could shoot,and I am slow to call anyone a lyer. He hated eagles with a pasion, and was said to have shot and killed one at over 400yds, while in flite,with a souped-up .44 spec. load. If you shoot enough, you are bound to wobble on sooner or later, but some of the stories I've read,both by him, and about his fantastic shooting, seem a little streatched to me.The fact is I've shot a bit, myself.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

SargOnly rattle battles I done was connected to NRA High Power Matches. Back in 88 while stationed at Eielson AFB AK I was asked by the post Commander of Fort Wainwright to put a shooting clinic on for his worst team. They all had M16A2 and talk about couldn’t hit the ground if they aimed at it. After about 4-5 hours of NRA High Power Service Rifle training there next Commanders Trophy Match they placed first place. It’s all about receiving the proper training and confidence in the equipment and yourself!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

I've put my 94 in 30-30 on Whitetails that I've estimated to be 275-300 yds out. The front bead covers the entire animal! I wouldn't take the shot if I was starving to death. How someone could even think to shoot at game at the distances described above is beyond me.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Clay, the guns I wastalking about was the High Standard Semi-Auto pistol, blowback slide, the shorts don't have enough wump to load another round... Thinking about the subject of the 270/30.06 issue, wandering why they never put the 270 through the M-60 machine Guns. You ever shoot the M-60 in any matches. You have to pickup and run to next position, set up fire, then run again.. Make you appreciate the shorter .308 over the 30.06 Thinking about WA. Mtnhunter, reckon he could run all over those mountains out there with the M-60. I think the most fun shooting in the Army was the .50 cal. Browning in a turrent mount on a m-113 personel carrier. Watch that belt, gets pretty hot.

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from Milton Burton wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

I agree. I simply do not believe all of Elmer's stories. As for the veracity of friends, I have a couple who, for enough bourbon, would swear before the Supreme Court that I'm the Imperial Potentate of The Mystic Shrine.MBP.S. I ain't the potentate.

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

SA-I think Elmer's purported "feats" had a lot more to do with the questionable veracity of friends than his shooting skills.Even if such was possible, he ought to have been smacked for even trying something that stupid.

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

By the way, when the Remington Nylon 66 came out, Consumer Reports actually did a test on it. The rifle ended up in the "Not Recommended" category. The reason? Supposedly poor accuracy. That's the only time I can remember actually seeing a firearm reviwed in CR. Throughout the 1970s most gun writers never saw a firearm they didn't like. You name it, they'd say it shot like a house afire and had nary a malfunction. Some writers appeared to actually be on the payroll of the gun companies. There are still some gun writers that I have no respect for to this day. Funny thing--if a firearms maker didn't advertise in the magazine, there was never any articles about its products. Imagine that!

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

YoopS&W still catalogs the M57 at a price that fits right in with other quality double action big bore wheelguns.ChevThat was good!BubbaElmer Keith also took a mule deer buck at a measured 725 yards with a Colt 1911 by walking the shots onto the deer as called by his friend who did witness the feat. The man, love or hate him, could shoot! Some of his deeds definitely fit into the 'Don't try this at home!' catagory.SA

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

I sometimes wonder at the voracity of E. Keith, rest his soul!I once read a story in which he stated that he shot and killed a mulie crossing a ridge at over 400 yards with a 4" S&W Mod. 29!Possible? Yes!Probable? Hmmmm.......! That is a good question! The sight radius of a 4" revolver, given the thickness of the front sight, the fact that the animal was supposedly moving, uphill, at an angle! What kind of equation that must have been to figure out!Bubba

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

So, Dave thinks the .338 is the single best cartridge for North American game? Seems like he was just haunted by the "Ghost of Big Bores Past," which would most likely be the spirit of Elmer Keith. I guess that Elmer kept blowing cigar smoke into Dave's face until he relented and chose the .338. Next, however, Dave will be haunted by the "Ghost of North American Hunting Rifles Future," and none other than Jack O'Connor will come rattling the chains he has been removing from hunters over the decades--the chains of being convinced they need a .338 for North American game! Jack will show Dave the headstones for the .338 Federal, .375 Ruger and--gasp!--the Remington ultra magnums! Jack will warn Dave about putting out-of-shape hunters into early graves by convincing them to carry around 12-pound rifles. When Dave awakes from his "dream," he'll go around proclaiming the virtues of light rifles and low-recoil cartridges! And Tiny Tim won't need to use his crutch any more, because he won't keep getting knocked on his ass by a .338!

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

YooperjackThe Ruger is a fine weapon also, if you can find one!What I like about the .41 mag is that they are built on the same frame as the .44 mag, they just have to remove less metal, which makes for a little heavier firearm. This is a plus because it reduces felt recoil somewhat plus you are burning lesser powder charges. I'm a handloader so ammo ain't a real big deal to me. I just like the .41 mag!Bubba

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from GREG wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

John, be careful what you wish for. I think Mr. Petzal is the Pres. of the local chapter of curmudgeons are us! lol

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Dr. RalphTry some CCI CB .22 Longs. I bet your RWS is louder.

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from John wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Hey Dave, what gives...any word about a daughter/granddaughter looking for a nice guy to marry? I really, really need to be part of your family...

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

FINEST AMERICAN RIFLE? 03-A3!

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from Shaky wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Coachike: There are bums in every walk of life. I know a man who left his golf bag on the green while he went for a drink. 20min. later,at his return,the bag,loaded with clubs,was nowhere in sight,he never saw them again.RMH: For quite some time, I shot my .44mag with .44spec.ammo, because I thought it would kick too hard. I ran out of ammo at the range,one day and my buddy gave me a handfull of mag.ammo.well,what was I going to do,let him think I was a wimp? NO,I shot all of them, while he watched.Believe it or not,I shot better than I ever had before with that gun. But ever so often I still shoot .44spec.just for fun.You might try that, then if you should need more oomph some day, all you need to do is load it with mags and drop that beast.Good luck; keep that barrel HOT.

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from Night Hawk wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Info y'all might want to pass around.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama#Gun_controlGun control As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama supported banning the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic firearms, increasing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms and requiring manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.[57] He sponsored a bill in 2000 limiting handgun purchases to one per month. He also voted against a 2004 measure allowing a self-defense exception for people charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home.[58]Obama was also a board member[59] of the Joyce Foundation which funds and maintains several gun control organizations in the United States.He supported several gun control measures, including restricting the purchase of firearms at gun shows and the reauthorization of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[60]While in the US Senate, Obama has voted against legislation protecting firearm manufacturers from liability.[61]

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from Night Hawk wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Info y'all might want to pass around.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama#Gun_controlGun control As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama supported banning the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic firearms, increasing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms and requiring manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.[57] He sponsored a bill in 2000 limiting handgun purchases to one per month. He also voted against a 2004 measure allowing a self-defense exception for people charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home.[58]Obama was also a board member[59] of the Joyce Foundation which funds and maintains several gun control organizations in the United States.He supported several gun control measures, including restricting the purchase of firearms at gun shows and the reauthorization of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[60]While in the US Senate, Obama has voted against legislation protecting firearm manufacturers from liability.[61]

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Uhhhhh yeah I hate to tell you this but everybody in the woods doesn't play nice. I've had a friend shoot a deer and we checked it in and ate lunch. Went back for the afternoon hunt and while we were in the woods someone took the deer out of the back of my truck. And don't leave your tree stand in the woods while you drag out your deer... it will disappear too and I'm speaking from personal experience. Wildlife Management Areas are notorious for bad behaviour and careless people with large caliber weapons.Really sorry this happened on your first deer but keep trying, it can only get better!

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from midnightbanjo wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Count me on your side Clay!I hate that it happened, I don't know if I would have been that understanding or agreeable to the request of leaving it lay. Around here during ML season through the first week of Rifle it would have been too warm to do that.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

I nominate Coach Ike as the Sportsman of the year!!!Posted by: Clay Cooper | December 09, 2007 at 09:13 PMI 2nd the nomination....All those in favor?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

CoachikeDear Sir,I’m deeply sorry this has happened to you. However, I take it you are a Coach and know that what the father did was criminal. As a former Hunter Safety Instructor, NRA Fire Arms Instructor, Military Game Warden and blessed to be on the Air Force shooting team for 11 years, this happens to the best and I’ve witnessed this time to time myself. Perhaps it’s a God thing knowing that a Sportsman of your caliber to happen to and only you. Anyone else would have gotten discouraged, walked away and sold his equipment to never to return and to bad mouth Sportsmen forever. I hope this experience of the father has taught the son a lesson and pray the son will not follow his footsteps.Coach IkeSir, you are a Great American and A Great Sportsman that I know for a fact that all here and my 8 year old Grandson can and will look up to.Thank You Sir for being who you are and I pray to God you will never change!PS, You can Coach my Grandson Alex any day Sir!!!I nominate Coach Ike as the Sportsman of the year!!!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Why do you guys keep posting my RWS? I didn't input a URL... Here's the A-5!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Hey Guys: I;m looking at a A.Uberti 45 LC with 4 3/4"bbl, blue, case harden, walnut smooth grips. I want a sidegun for the Rockies. A 44 mag would be better, but I can;t handle a 44 mag. What is your thinking on the above revolver? good or bad. I's not a cheap firearm, imported from Italy by Benelli. PLease some advice. Thanks

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from coachike wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Dave, I know this is slightly off topic but I have to share with you an event that will forever change me as a hunter. On Saturday, December 8th my brother and I were hunting in a WM (Wildlife Managment Area) which is public land to hunt on. I shot and killed my first deer. As I was climbing down from my stand and checking on my deer, two hunters came out of the woods a father and son combo. The son could not be more then 14 years of age. He started complaining that I was relatively close to the edge of his property line which backs up to the WMA. From what I gathered, he had several deer stands back there and was baiting the deer so that his son and him could have a successful hunt. I apologized for intruding and asked if it was ok to leave the dead deer right where it was as not to further disturb the remainder of the afternoon so him and his son could hunt. I informed him I would get the deer after dark. This was not a problem. Once dark, I climbed out of my stand to find out that my deer was gone. YES the man and his son had walked off with my deer. As I got to my truck, the WMA which is patrolled by gamewardens, one happened to stop by. I explained the situation and gave him a visual ID of the gentleman, son along with the deer which I had shot. I pointed the gamewarden in a general direciton as to where the man came from and three more gamewardens were able to find the house. In the backyard of this man's house was not only my deer but another doe he had taken that was gutted and hung. Neither deer was tagged or registered. What bothers me is that this man had taught his son that it was ok to steal another hunter's deer along with failing to legally tag and register both deer. I was furious because this was my first deer that I have ever shot and even more furious because this is the type of behavior that can ruin the reputaiton of a lot of responsible hunters. I don't know if the man was given a summons or not. Althoug, he deserves one along with a swift kick in the a**.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

sargPending on the cut and grade of the barrel for 22 long rifle will shoot 22 shorts also.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

My brother in law helped drag out a black bear that field dressed 498 pounds this weekend. His buddy shot it they live in east Tennessee near the Ocoee and Tellico bear reserves. 30-06 one shot... random ruminations... my Browning lever action .22 shoots shorts, longs, long rifles whatever you want to feed it. But it still wakes the wife when fired on the back porch thus the RWS... anybody ever shot a deer with a .40S&W? I may try it next weekend or maybe take my dad's A-5 they're both virgins as far as southern whitetails are concerned... got my buck now it's time to play! Of course if I do see something big I'll cry about it the rest of my life. At least I'll have a good excuse. No deer with the Knight this year... damn!

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from sarg wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Clay, you or someone was talking about a gun to shoot .22 shorts only. I've got a High Standard H-B that will not shoot the shorts, not enough hump there but they did make an auto pistol like mine (1942 Highstandard) in a .22 only version called the model"c". Hard to find today. I like the old High Stanard models B, H-B, H-D and the Cauto pistols.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Dave in St PeteModel 77, good catch Sir!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Bubba:Thanks for the advice. Itried to find one of those SW # 57's. Boy, for a failed gun the're sure pricy! I'm leaning towards the Ruger New Model SA in 41 or 44 Mag. I shoot a Colt SA 22 now, and the transition should be easy. Plus, I'll be carrying that in the woods when I'm working so the less I spend, the less I'll worry about getting paint on it, etc. The only thing I'm worried about is those hogs, although I honestly believe that, if someone turned up lame, a pack of wolves would look at you as dinner.Again, thanks for the input.YooperJack

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

The only real advantage of a Ruger 10-22 has over a Remington Nylon 66 is 3 things. The ability to put a scope on it, second a sling and third a larger capacity magazine. Other than that I’ll take the Nylon 66 against the 10-22 any day!

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from sarg wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Thomas, agree 100% on the 513.. none finer than the older Remington 510,513, etc.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

When I grew up in the 50's and 60's , if anyone could have caught you carrying a nylon 66, you couldn't show your face at the pool hall. If you saw some one with a nice pistol stuck in their belt and you wanted to make them made just ask them if they had an "owlhead" in their belt... Can any of you guys remember the old Iver Johnson owl heads?

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from sarg wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Hey guys, the Rem. nylon 66 can't hold a candle to the older Rem 510's or 512 of by gone days...

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

SA,I'll forgive ya this time but don't let it happen again. After all I never make misstaches. ;)Mark-1,That's a Nylon 77 not a Nylon 66.

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

FYI I have seen a number Remington 66's with clips. They were sold years ago by one of the discount chains for $40. As I recall these rifles were green and black.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Looked up the Korth in 2008 Gun Digest; they start at over $5000.00 USD!!! Finest? Maybe! Ought to be at that price! Suffice it to say if I had that amount in my new gun budget (currently at $11.42) I would be looking at the S&W .460 first, a .22 target bolt action next, a 16 or 20 gauge double barrel third and perhaps one of those extra fancy BB guns DEP was all about not long ago! And I'll have a few bucks left over to get something nice for the wife!SA

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Well don't I have egg all over my face?! Mixed up the Remington .22s thinking the 66 had a clip magazine. Oops, forgive me guys?As to the .338 Win Mag; no doubt it is a fantastic cartridge, good selection of factory ammo for it available most bigger gun and sporting goods stores. As DEP stated, power and finesse to spare. BUT it is not the right cartridge for the armchair quarterback turned once a year deer hunter; face it folks that describes most hunters I know, most hunters are better served with the .30-06, .308 or lesser round. Cost to practice is less with either, learning to shoot either well is easier than any true magnum.SA

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from GREG wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

I lik the Marine Corp saying. KILL EM ALL AND LET GOD SORT THEM OUT!!

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from Moishe wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

#$&@in keyboard! GHETTO!!!!!!!!!

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from Moishe Goldstein wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

I owns just 2 Pistols, 1 Walther PP in .32 Cal,good enough for home defense, and a 1911A1 for the woods, or un the nearby gheto in KCMO as a "JIC" weapon with a ccw permit of course ;-)

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Midnight BanjoWalking through an open bottom one day, nothing but huge, no limb for 20 feet, pin oaks every 30 or 40 feet apart. Stepped over a groin high dead log and suddenly heard a snort, "Deer!" followed by a grunt! "What the...!" I reached into the game pouch of my hunting vest to retrieve the 20 ga. buckshot I kept there. Three squirrels, NO buckshot!!! Snort, grunt! I sat on the log staring hard into the weeds and brush 30 yards in front of me, nothing! Snort, grunt! Suddenly, I see a dark red back rising above the briars and broom grass along an opening! Nothing small enough to climb and nothing but a 20 ga. shotgun! I chogged the sixth round into the little Mod 12 Win, stepped back across the log, hoping that if she came, the log would slow her down long enough for me to get a point-blank into her chest or preferably into her head or face!Fortunately, for the both of us, she flushed with her two piglets to head deeper into the bottom. Closest I've ever been to an all out charge by wild game!Soon began carrying a Ruger Blackhawk in .41 Rem Mag! Now I carry a S&W Mod 57!Bubba

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Wow - what a list! Never heard of some of them, and I'd have to take a 30-06 exception to the .338 though.As for piggies - someone posted above that they were thinking about personal protection from them - I've always used my .45 1911. Dropped one eariler this year and changed the mind of the others. What ever you decide, make it something you can handle while hanging on to a tree.

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

I have enjoyed a Nylon 66 (brown/blue) since the late sixies. The inability to properly scope the piece is true but again it is a plinker. Just this past week I looked at a mint Nylon 66 (the guy also had a 77) in black/chrome and was shocked that he wanted $700.00 for it. At the gun shop next door there is a another 66 in black/chrome with a mixmatched magazine rod and a repaired stock for $150.00. I think I remember Walmart having some green/blue versions near the end of production. My local gunsmith told me that Remington stopped making them because their dies finally wore out and they moved along to their next .22 product but I cannot verify this statement.Harlon was the best and anyone who ever read or heard him will find this difficult to refute.I own many rifles but agree that the .338 is the best of the bunch. I have used it on everything from p-dawgs to moose with great success for almost twenty five years. My fifteen year old son loved to shot it before he moved on to bigger rifles. I know there are those who don't believe this but with a rifle of proper weight and correct stock a kid who had has adequate training can easily use a .338 loaded with near max rounds. Depends a lot on the kid, how much time dad spends with him, and his experience shooting everything for .22s up. Again I shoot various .30 cals but have observed that there is a great difference between the "drop dead killing ability" in the field between any .30 and any .33 of similiar bullet construction and speed. The .33s have it.I still cannot convince myself that luck is not the key component of being a successful hunter based on about forty years of hunting and watching others. We all know the old saying that "better lucky than good". I have no explanation and wish it were not true but this idea constantly seems to slap me in the face. I must know a hundred stories that I have witnessed such as where the once every ten years hunter with a .250-3000 who stumbles up a ridge and drops a 400 B & C bull while his friend who hunts from archery season to the end of the year with his almost shot out .300 Weatherby struggles to get a glimpse at a spike elk. Lots of stories, lots of luck or lack of luck, either way it really appears to play a part.One of Tom Frye's rifles and some of the blocks are on display at the BBHC in Cody, WY.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

SA,The Nylon 66 loads through the butt. 14 rounds like the old guns used at the county fairs.No spring just dump em in.And it was Tom Frye shooting 100,004 blocks in two days using two Nylon 66 rifles.These blocks are the holy grail of 66 collectors.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

All this talk of .22's has made the voices in my head tell me to clean all my .22's. After that go dirty them up again and reclean them so I can get them dirty again. Gawd I love the smell of Hoppies #9 in the morning, and gun powder in the afternoons. My favorite is my WWII vintage Remington 513 Match Master. I have shot more 10X's then I can count and 2 perfect targets in my life time. My right arm is still sore from putting on my sling. (South Paw sling go on right bicipe.)

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from Moishe Goldstein wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Greg, thank you, I think my father would say he was no hero,just a muddy dog face PFC. As the called them in that particular place and time. I think he was a hero too. I never had a chance to see him to remember, I was born Aug 15,41 he joined on Dec 8 ,4166 years ago today!

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from Bernie Kuntz wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

In theory the .338 Win. Magnum indeed could be the finest all-around North American big game cartridge, if the hunter is going to pursue most NA species. However, the majority of hunters never hunt anything larger than whitetails and black bear. And I estimate that at least 3/4s of hunters would be intimidated by the recoil of the .338. I have owned a .338 for 35 years, have been in on the kill of three Alaskan brown bears with it; I also took one Alaska/Yukon moose,three barren ground caribou bulls, at least a half dozen elk, and several deer with the cartridge. One of the caribou was at 368 paces. Mine is built on a Sako action with Lilja barrel.Anyway, I still think the average hunter, who doesn't shoot several hundred rounds a year practicing, would be better off with a .30/06.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Thomas If it wasnt for your friend and those like him the as@#$%e tha fired him would be speaking japanese or german. Thank you to your friend. My 66 never jammed once in 30 years. loading from the butt isnt always the greatest but still woulnt trade it for the world.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Nylon 66, had one for years and it has never failed. On the Japs one of my friends was WWII vet from 82nd Airborne. In later years he was a salesman for a Japaneese steel firm. Being a professional paratrooper had left its mark on him and at a meeting/social occasion one of the young Japs ask him if all the 82nd decals on his briefcase was a college fraternity. He replied that if WWII had lasted a few more months then no Japaneese would ever forget or fail to know what the 82nd Airborne was. Shortly afterwards he was fired, so much for forgivness.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

To Moisha, Your Father is a Hero and I will NEVER I say again Never forget. I had relatives in every theater in WWII. Some wounded none killed. I will NEVER forget!!!! To Miltongun owners opinionated your full of crap!!LOL

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from Moishe Goldstein wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

By that I think he would advocate that anything over 1,000 pounds needed at least a 375 H&H or Weatherby Magnum ( When he was writing Weatherby made those I don't know if they still do.)

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from Moishe Goldstein wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Black Bear is the smallest thing ( except for vermin and small predators that is)worth shooting in AK, I lived there for years! But remember always what Robert Ruark said. "USE ENOUGH GUN" ! JUST IN CASE IT CAN STILL REACH YOU AND KILL YOU BEFORE IT DIES!

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from Moishe Goldstein wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

I still cannot forgive and forget that the lil yella bu*stards attacked Pearl Harbor, but they also killed my father at Iwo Jima. The only thing I am for given them is a large bomb on their 10 biggest cities.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Any thoughts on the 300RUM?

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

To unsigned blogger..Ballistically, the .375 Ruger is a kick butt round, but I don't see a need for it? I think it will turn into another argument over how scarce is the ammo? Will it become a Ruger exclusive round? I just don't see it surviving over time.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

LastEarlCertainly there were/are a lot of Pacific Theater vets who continued to dispise the Japanese long after the war. Unfortunately for American industry a lot of other Americans bought Toyotas, Datsun/Nissans, Subarus and Mitsubishis along with Sonys, Aiwas the list goes on; instead of Fords, Chryslers, Chevys or RCAs, Magnavoxes etc.I'm reminded of the book (and incident which spawned it) by Jerry Della Famina called 'From Those Wonderful Folks Who Brought You Pearl Harbor' about Japanese branding and marketting strategies. Della Famina is an ad man from New York who was assigned to the Toyota account by his mega agency employer, Toyota was looking for a slogan and Jerry came out with that line. Summarily dismissed from both account and agency he went on to write that (and other books on branding and advertising) and continued to have sucess in the business. In the late 60's or early 70's when the incident occured the comment did hit a still raw nerve with the Japanese executives.SA

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Great article! What are your thoughts on the new 375 ruger for alaskin game?

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Forgot to mention above; the Ruger 10-.22 out innovates the Nylon 66 as well, the 10 round rotary magazine fits flush with the weapon and is as easy to load with round 10 as round 1. Friends who have owed the Remingtons often commented that the last couple of rounds were hard to squeeze into that stick mag, plus the feed angle of the Nylon 66 is higher than that of the Ruger making for potential problems (though I can't say I heard a lot about the things jamming). I know people often say the magazine release on the 10-.22 is hard to operate in rapid fire sequences; I always reply that if the pop cans or squirrels are shooting back you need more rifle anyway!In its favor though, I recall an older Remington ad for the Nylon 66. One of the exhibition shooters (Tom Knapp?) drilled some 1000 plus wooden blocks of 1" cube size thrown in the air with one Nylon 66. All with no jams or failures.They are both good, fun, rifles!SA

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from Milton Burton wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Reading these comments I just had an epiphany!! We gun owners are opinionated!! Who would have ever thought it? As for the best all-round caliber, my vote goes to the .323 Remchester Super Snorter.

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from lastearlofshaw wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

For what it's worth:Every W.W. II vet I know, who saw combat in the Pacific, would vaporize the entire nation of Japan if they could do so.They saw unimaginable cruelties that made even the Bataan Death March look like a cake-walk.I think 2/3 of all P.O.W.s held by the Japanese in W.W. II died...

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Clay CooperI remember in Michigan both a small game and a deer license got you the right to shoot a black bear. I started hunting in 1962, quit in 1969, and started again in 1979. By 1979, bears were only available with a license obtained through a lottery. We see them at least once a week in the summer but once they wind you, they alway run.YooperJack

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Shot many a round thru a Nylon 66. It was a blast!Best hand gun?Toughness & value - RugerVersatility - S&WClass - ColtIf you want a real piggy popper, try a S&W Mod 57. Plenty of stopping power, low recoil for quick follow up shots! Probably the very best of handgun cartridges, in my opinion, just not well received by the public!Finest American rifle?Without a doubt, Marlin. The only reason it wasn't more popular that the Mod 94 Win was because a cowboy could buy a 94 for a month's wages, the Marlin was better built, so a bit more expensive. With wages at five bucks a month, cheap was important!Caliber! .338 Win Mag? I don't think so "Scooter"! The .30-06, .270 and the venerable .30-30 has and will continue to take more game than any other six calibers combined! ... of all sizes!The world renowned and all knowing...Bubba (yeah, right!)

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Black Bear considered small game in Alaska?That is my kind of place to live!I side with Dave on the .338 Win Mag as being the best all around North American hunting round;BUT the 8mm Rem Mag I think being a slight edge better. Alas, this round never received the proper respect in hunting history it deserved.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

To Clay cooper, My 66 worked great with a scope for 25 years but know Iam havin all kinds of trouble. It will shoot 2 or 3 in the same whole and then they start to wander all over the target? several people gave me advice but nothing seemed to work. I will take it to a gunsmith before I retire her! I love that gun!

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from Breen wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

I agree with the '86. Had one in 40-82. Looked worn-out on the outside but was still tight as a bank vault. Had been obviously carried on a saddle loop for years. Porcupine quills in the stock along with pocketknife carvings of game by the owner, and six notches...?Currently have its little brother, a '92 in 32WCF. Shoots 1" at 50 yards. Slick as an eel.

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from Chawkins wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

.338 is the best Cartridge? How about the .300 Weatherby Mag. It shoots faster, Its harder, and drops less. You can go low grain for Hogs, middle grain for white tail, and bring in heavy grain for that polar bear, or damn near an elephant if you wanted to.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Believe it or not, black bear in Alaska is considered as small game back in 1990

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from Ed J wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Well I got 2 out of 8, a 86 chambered in 33 WIN forrunner to the 338

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

300 Woosy Snort Much

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Remington Nylon Model 66 is one of the best semi 22 ever to hit the market. Not worth a damn with a scope due to its free floating barrel.338 for the best North American cartridge? Only if you plan to hunt game larger than Caribou like Elk and Moose! 270 with a 130 grain on caribou works great but a 338 Win Mag even at out as far as 700 is still too much gun!

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from Ozark Guide wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

The results of this poll are amazing!!! USA TODAY POLLhttp://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm

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from tay wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

you asked for it by picking the .338 Winchester Magnum. So my 2 cents it the .300 WSM

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Yeah the only good politician is a dead politician. I am sure the words" I did not have Sex with that woman" will be remembered for generations. But the question is to what woman was he talking to. Hillary or Monica. We all know he had sex with Monica. So he must have been telling Monica that he has not had sex with Hillary. Then we had "Read my Lips! No new taxes" as George Herbert Walker Bush said. Or how about "I'm All Ears." Ross Perot said.Between all the body parts nobody is useing their Brain yet.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Ate a politician? Bet that hog spit for a week.LOL

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Climb trees quick. True story from southern Miss. Friend squirrel huntin with a .22 lr came up on a big sow with some young ones about 15 or 20 pounds. Decided he could kill one with a .22. Problem was momma ,daddy and others didnt take kindly to it and he spent the night in a tree. Still hasnt lived it down!LOL

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from Trae B. wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

oh yea as for hog huntin if you have a mad hog after you.you want something powerfull,but if your really into it get something with a clip that you can reload real fast.me and some buddies found out that you can easily empty a 9. mill clip into a hog and just make it mad.but I say go for a 44. because their awsome and learn to climb trees.

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from Trae B. wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

sorry above I ment wants not qants

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from Trae B. wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

I aint never heard of a korth either.but if any one qants to know my favorite guns are:rifle-303.britishshotgun:I like my mossburg 12 gauge pump.handgun:44.colt revolver with a stag horn handlemuzzleloader:civil war cannon.lol

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Even a domestic Hog I would not like to mess with. Some of them bruisers can go close to 700 pounds. They make the perfect garbage disposal. Anything a politician can dish out they can digest. I've see a politician fall in one time and the hogs charged and ate him. Meat, bones hair and all. The only thing left of him were his lies.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

YooperIf you are seriously looking for that personal protection sidearm I would say .44 Mag as minimum but lean to the .460 S&W if you can swing it; excellent numbers on that cartridge and the weapon is top notch too. I would love to see a carbine chambered for it to match the wheelgun. As Thomas and Greg have both mentioned; hogs can take some killing (so say the experts -- I've yet to kill one) and I durn sure want as much power as I can muster if a cougar or bear gets intent on dining on my carcass!SA

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

On a serious note Yoop . Im from AR and AL and we are eat up with hogs. I would want at least a .44 mag. I used to shoot them with a ,30-.30 TC contender but with one shot i made sure I was already in a tree. They have a shoulder plate that I have seen arrows bounce off of.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

YooperjackA .357 is sufficient but I would want to be the one pulling the trigger. I would be the one running for the nearest tall tree. We have some wild escapees down here in Troll land. I have seen in the papers some of them hogs have been 200 to 300 pounds. For something that big I would want a BIG Gun. Maybe something in the .50 Cal range. .50AE, .500S&W, .50Beowulf, ect, ect, ect. But I am sure a nice .44Mag and up will do.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Shoot Yoop get a S&W .500 pistol that will stop a choo choo!

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Shoot Yoop get a S&W .500 pistol that will stop a choo choo!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Actually it was. I am kind of thinking about buying personal protection though. We now have wild hogs and timber wolves in addition to black bears. I've seen one mountain lion. I don't worry too much about bears. They're blind and deaf but a nose a blodhound would kill for! The wolves scare me a bit and the hogs scare me alot! Is 357 mag sufficient?Thank youYooperJack

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

CLI am sure your tongue was firmly planted in your cheek! I know Yoop's was! $6000 would buy a couple of the .460 S&Ws and money left over for a couple of M29s too! Plus a good amount of ammo to practice with!SA

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

CLYou forgot to include where to buy! With prices like that I'm sure everyone reading this is waiting!

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from canadian lurker wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

The German site list the prices in Euros. Looks like the auto is about 4000E, say $8000 but they have a great special on the wheeled guns. They normally sell for 3800E (it's a bit pricey, especially for the .22LR) but they've got the .357mag at an incredible 3000E or $6000. Hurry while they are still available.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

The nylon model 66 is nice, but I like the plain jane Rem 597 in stainless. I bought one when they first came out and it was/is super accurate straight out of the box. Sure it had problems, but once I learned to move my fat thumb out the way of the slide it never jammed again. (I am a south paw and my right thumb would get hit by the slide lever) The magazines were a pain to load but once you knew how to stack the cartridges it would feed all day long. What turned me on to it was it did not have the heavy trigger pull of the 10-22 and it was something that was not common place yet.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

The WWII vet's have every right to hold a grudge. They remember the Death March's and the torture that went one at the hands of the Japanese. Of the starved to death fellow solders. And how hard fighting it was to occupie a piece of land only to be driven back and retreat. They remember the smells of burnt flesh because the only way to get them out of the holes was to burn them out.

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from TJB wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

338 Win Mah in a custom Belgian Browning my grandfather gave is the best gone I've ever owned. It does not have bad recoil!!!! It also shoots .6 inch groups at 100 yards. Thanks for praising the 338.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

I know that Pearl Harbor Vets who still hold a grudge are probably wrong, but I find it hard to judge them after what they experienced. I beleive that any of the WWII Vets can have those feelings.YooperJack

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from chuckb wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Dave: Harlon Carter remains as controversial as he was in the 70s, but he saw its membership as the strength of the NRA as nobody has before or since. Included in his remarks to the NRA Cincinnati meeting in '77 was this immortal passage: "You, the membership, are entitled to have an NRA that is responsive to your wishes. That is right, that is what you have demanded, and that's the way it is going to be ... You are the NRA, not I, not these gentleman here [referring to the Directors and staff on the dais]. You are all we have."

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Doc R:-On DP’s rant, It’s The Enemies! They’re everywhere!-Dec 7th: I’ve yet to find a Pacific War Vet that had or wanted to show any kindness to the Japanese. There has to be rationale to carry that grudge, that deeply, for that long and go to the grave with no apologies or remorse.--Remington has come out with a number of Model 66 type .22’s. The Viper and 597 are the latest using synthetics. Except for the barrel and a few other parts the Viper is re-cycled pop bottles. Survival rifles, they are IMO.--338 is really good for the world’s hunting as well as North America big game. Most people can handle a 338 Mag. 375 HH takes a special action and the rifles are too bulky compared to a 338.--H Carter made Conan the Barbarian look like a whimp as he “crushed his enemies, saw them driven before him, and heard the lamentations of the women”. The 2A Battle stems from Harlon and people are obviously still talking about him.--Clinton’s—Fatally flawed. Hillary elected president will have her being Billy’s mouth piece for his 90’s policies in a new century and millennium. I feel like I'm watching 40-year old campus radical battles. Obama will never get the Dem’s blessing even if he deserves it. No way the Clinton crowd is going to be locked out of the loop. The Democratic Party will be hijacked, if it hasn’t already.--Patience and Self-Control; Yeah. …And they can go at any time, to any one at the most inconvenient moments.

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from Dennis wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Do people around here not have any sense of class. I agree with the winchester 1886 as americas greatest rifle. In 405 or 45-70 they are a great rifle heck look at the model 71 winchester. Its the same design as the 86 except in smokeless and chambered in a great cartridge. The designed the 94 after the 86 action. Iagree with most of your stuff but i think the 375H&H is a better all around cartridge.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

SA,I've never been a 10-22 fan. I think it's because everyone has one. (I guess I'm just a pervert...errr I mean PERVERSE).As far as the 12 gauge I'll go along with that. If I could only have one long gun it would be a 12.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Dr Ralph,I won't question your statement that your Uncle still saw them as the enemy, but in any case I think he is correct.I believe we in the US including (especially) our diplomats are naive beyond imaging when dealing with foreign cultures. Especially near and far Eastern ones.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

DaveRuger 10-.22 out shoots, out reliables, out lasts and looks better (IMhO) than the Nylon 66!As to the Korth; have you seen and handled the new S&W .460 X-Frame yet? Here is a factory offering which fires probably the best big game revolver round yet invented and the ones I've handled (in gun stores only -- the same ones we all can buy) seem excellent. The Korth is by all accounts precision crafted, meticulously finished and beautiful but who among us plebes has ever even laid eyes on one? I haven'tOn the single best cartridge for all North American game I have to disagree; but you knew that! Although on paper the .338 Win Mag has the best attributes for the job the reality is that few people will put the money and effort into being able to shoot it well enough! If we restrict the discussion here to rifle cartridges then the .30-06 gets the nod; there are factory loads for every conceivable hunting situation, rifles aplenty and almost anyone can learn to shoot it well with out breaking the bank! If we open this up then the 12 Gauge shotgun wins hands down; everything from pigeons to polar bears have fallen to its bellow.SA

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Thanks Greg... sorry to say I had forgotten. My Great Uncle Engdahl was in Pearl Harbor that day and lived to his mid eighty's. Retired from the military and then the Army Corps of Engineers. Last time I saw him was at my mom's funeral in 2000 and he was drinking bourbon and talking about the Japanese culture and how they were so much different from us because of their tradition of "saving face". It was the one thing he could not forgive them... they were the enemy.

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

1. As a owner of a Nylon 66, it’s a fine gun but still just a plinker. Also makes you wonder why they stopped making it 20 years ago if it’s still the most modern revolutionary rifle.6. We’re talking about game which can run from a 20lb bobcat to a 2000lb polar bear. No doubt, a .338 will kill them all. Then again, same could be said for a .460 Weatherby. I’d vote for the .300 Winchester Magnum as the best one-size-fits-all. Bullets and loads are available for true sporting use for the full range of game without the mess. But have that .460 Weatherby ready as a back up in case you get sloppy on the polar bear.7. When it comes to the kinds of people I want in the woods with a gun, I’d have to put educated before patient.

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from buckstopper wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Don't forget Sen. Boxer and Sen. Schumer as salepersons for the "get your guns now while you can award".I always like the Rem. mod 522 speedmaster beter than nylon 66 even though it didn't look as cool.There is no comparison to Harlan Carter.Didn't we just do the 30-06 vs .270 thing.How about a S & W Mod 29 or 1911?

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

I keep several stacked in the corner away from the computer! About 3 I think?

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from Blue Ox wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Greg, how many keyboards have you gone thru this weeek?

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from Blue Ox wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

.338 is fine for taking north american game, but I'd rather go with a .375 H&H. Good medicine for anything on the planet.But that's just me.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Off subject but let us not forget this day, Dec. 7 1941.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Dang Doc I just spit my tea all over my keyboard.LOL

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Cancel my subscription... oh wait, I'm not paying for this crap. Petzal has your home office been overtaken by the jack booted thugs? Bet they pulled up some bogus "illegal importation of firearms from South Africa" rap and have thrown you in the stockade. Never fear, help is on it's way. I warned you about not being anonymous, and in the middle of a presidential campaign you bring up baby burning and snipers taking out unarmed helpless women under an Attorney General hand picked by the FRONT RUNNER? You realize, of course, that the IRS will be next...I know all of this because of the bad craziness you call the sixth superlative. It's an obvious cry for help. No sane man would make this call. You want everyone to know you are no longer in control of your facilities and need heavily armed men in body armor to intervene.Either that or Clay Cooper has hacked into your system and replaced "30-06 Springfield" with ".338 Winchester Magnum".

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Greg,I'll back you up on the Nylon 66. I bought one about 3 months ago for 180 out the door.Shoots like nothing I've ever held before. Fun, fast, accurate, light, just a joy to shoot.

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Ya ,.. day shoot da moose in Norway & Sweden tooo,vit da 6.5So as much as I do respect da Petzal man,.. I gonna disagree dis time..338 only needed ven ole and Liena get into big argument ,.. Den vee need a lot of noise or a fire hose to get em apart ,.. or if you need to shoot a brown at 250 yd which i tink is a prettty risky proposition

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from BA wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Obviously this list of superlatives will generate alot of heat. It will make for lively discussion. With Black Bear being the largest game animal where I live and hunt I'll stick to my 270 WSM. Now that's putting fuel on the fire. Remember it's the Indian.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Typo on th Nylon 66, sorry.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

I absolutely love my Nylon 661 Ive had it for about 30 years.At one time I could light a match and shoot a penny lengthwise. Havin problems with it now. I think I have actually shot it out. Ill take it to a gunsmith before I give it up. Dont care if fixin it cost more than its worth too sentimental. No. 6 is really gonna get some reactions.

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from BA wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Dave, I couldn't agree more with everything in this article, except I'd never heard of the Korth. Thanks for the insight.

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from DWGriffin wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

According to the Gospel as preached by Petzal for a number of years, low recoil is prized. I seem to recall that he has noted that the 6.5 Swede is used to take moose in Finland, and, to almost quote, not knowing any better, the moose die. The implication was that the wise Europeans never use too much gun.So. . .is there a new revelation? The 338 as the best caliber? Did grizzlies alter the equation, or is recoil not as important as Prophet Petzal has led to believe?

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from John wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Dave, do you have any cute Grand Daughters in their 20's or early 30's? I really need to become part of your family, respectfully.

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from Buck Conner wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Gentlemen,I find your thoughts interesting on the differnet hunting calibers of your choosing. Like you I have had about everything that came down the road and as time goes by and one grows older (not dirt), I find I'm liking less recoil. Now settled in on a pair of cartridge guns; Ruger No 1's, one a std barrel 6.5 x 55 Swede and the other a 22-250 bull barrel. Anyway they both hit hard as designed taking anything from elk to ground squirrels and don't beat you up.My main arms are a pair of 60 caliber (28 gauge) flinter smoothbores, hunt muzzle loading and modern rifle seasons with these guns. Taken anything from moose, buffalo to those damn ground squirrels. Fun guns.Hope everyone had a good Christmas and may you and yours New Year be better than ever.

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from Buck Conner wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Clay,I have had a dozen different 44 Specials over the years (only reason was - I think I was looking for one that shot as good as Elmer's stories)? Finally decided after years of testing on paper, steel targets, animals and so forth that Elmer's stories where just that - enjoyable stories.I once did the old Masters lock test (S&W 1950 Target pistol) shooting the lock off a hasp. Warning don't do this as the lock was harder than the bullet and sent it flying around the area bounding off different things while I was trying to get to the floor.Another time I tried to kill a rabied dog that wanted a piece of me (Charter Arms Bulldog). All shots went into the chest area at 20 feet, that's all (5) 250 grain rounds to get him down.After the last experience I switched as did several friends that had seen the dog affair to 44 Mag. Not a fun time being that close to getting chewed on.

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from Buck Conner wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Dave,I would think the .22 LR was just proof that their thinking on small caliber arms did have an advantage in war time with weight and wounding.From what I have read in other articles like you mention the .223 was developed but not field tested in real miltary action. The Nylon Model 66 proved the new 5.56 rifle had a place in warfare is what I understood, interesting.

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Interesting story Buck, and one I was totally unaware of. I have heard on numerous occasions that the 5.56 was chosen based on "wounding power" as opposed to immediate lethality, along with the obvious ability to carry much more ammunition.The light weight of the firearm and low recoil have never held water for me. I've seen the stats somewhere for the average size and build of a WWII grunt- can't remember exactly but something like 5' 7" and 140 pounds. Todays soldiers or even SEA era were apprecialbly larger specimens. Of course the world war guys were probably much more used to hard physical labor. Each succeeding generation has been less so.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

BuckSome interesting points. One thing though, the .223 (5.56mm NATO) was already under developement in the late 50s and introduced in 1960. The M14 is a great main battle rifle but the powers that be had decided almost immediately after it was introduced in 1957 to find a lighter weapon ala the M1 Carbine. The weight of the M14 and ammo was deemed too much for the average conscripted soldier to effectively carry into battle.I seriously doubt that any consideration was given to .22LR rifles as other than special use weapons, even the .22WMR is woefully inadequate for conventional warfare.I still wonder why more wasn't done to soup up the .30 Carbine round especially in light of the 7.62 x 39 AK 47 round being so effective.SA

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from Buck Conner wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Dave,I saved this article found years ago in a military magazine maybe you can shed some light on, never knew if this was true or not. Had heard this many times over the years from various sources who may have seen the same article.__________________________________The Remington Nylon Model 66At the time the Nylon Model 66 was announced to the public, Remington was in serious trouble with loans that where over due and creditors demanding payment on notes.__________________________________In 1952 Fidel Castro lost a parliamentary election and Gen. Batista overthrew the government and canceled all elections. Castro challenged the Batista regime in court, and then in 1953 organized an unsuccessful rebel force. Castro was arrested, tried and put in jail until 1955. In 1956 Fidel Castro had organize a new force known as the “26 of July Movement” in Mexico, this group launched their attack, again meeting a bloody defeat. Castro and his followers next began a guerrilla war with the aid of the CIA against the corrupt and by now very unpopular Batista regime. They quickly built a large following, also thanks to an effective propaganda campaign. January 1, 1959, Castro triumphantly took power, his guerrillas where armed with the Remington Nylon Model 66. Less than two years later Castro quickly disappointed his sympathizers with his radical policies of the early 1960’s; you know the rest of the story.__________________________________Some may remember the Nylon Model 66 was the weapon of choice for “26 of July Movement”. Light in weight, a small cartridge meant large quantities could be carried and the moisture and muddy conditions in Cuba had no effect on its ability to perform. On the other hand Batista’s forces carried heavy weapons with small amounts of ammo moving at a slower rate of speed than the guerrillas. A common practice was the guerrillas would place a box of .22’s on a flat rock, urinate on them, let them dry and then load their magazines. When one of Batista’s regime was hit with one of these rounds in a short period of time he became sicker than usual (the heat, infection from the urine along with the long wound channel of the small caliber round) this meant that it would take two additional solders to get the wounded man back to his military unit for help. This small caliber warfare was studied by the CIA and the US Government for future use (the .223 of today). Oh, thousands of Nylon 66’s where used and countless numbers of Remington’s .22 ammo helped to save the company, putting them back in the “black” with the bean counters. The Nylon Model 66 was truly a wonderful gun for Remington Arms.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Dr. RalphI sure like to know who the hell came up the idea that the 338 Win Mag is the best all around rifle? Must have been a real vegetarian. That’s Indian for poor hunter!A box of involuntarily flinch? It takes a lot of mind over flinch and knowhow to hold and shoot a Magnum like that accurately! Off the bench my 338 cleans my clock except if I’m shooting standing, kneeling or setting position.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Chev Jim: Petzal will be haunted by O'Connor until he repents. I want to see DEP with a four and a half pound NULA .338 testing ammo until he finds just the right load and sighting in that scope until he bleeds from the ears... Every time he looks at a box of .338's he'll involuntarily flinch.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

ShakyIf you get the sun behind you just right and shooting jacketed bullets you can see the 44 Spec in flight including the 44 Mag.44 Special at 400 yards? WOW!

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from sarg wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Pardon my display of words, It is the Ring mount and i've fire from the M-113 and Duce and halfs. Set some on the tripods. The proper term for the Belt should have been disinterating belt. Don't forget to button your slieves while shooting.Clay, I took agroup to Ft Knox for the state rifle matches. We had just got the new Beretta 9mm and took several with a team also. while there I was asked to help a couple of people with the 9mm. To me ,it is a dream to shoot. A little wide in the grip for smaller hands. I was on the M-16 team shooting the new A2. .They shoot good also ,but I got to shoot the Body Armor course with the Beretta, but as the marksmanship Cordinator , I Set up the M-16 and M-60 teams. We had a couple of troops make the State Team.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

SargWhat belt on a M-2 .50 Cal are you referring to as getting hot?The M-2 and M-60 both use a detachable linked belt of cartridges. I personally never saw a turret mount of anything on a M-113 APC. I saw ring mounts. So clue us in here.Yes, I slogged up and down a lot of mountains in the Central Highlands with an M-60. I was 20 and 21 years old in those days, too! A 7 pound rifle is about right now!

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from Shaky wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Sorry,the above came from me.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Just thought of a possibity,maybe he just had a problem with depth perception? Make 40yds look like 400? What do you think?

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Shaky44 spec at 400 yards and flying? JUST PURE LUCK!

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from Shaky wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

I've no dought EK could shoot,and I am slow to call anyone a lyer. He hated eagles with a pasion, and was said to have shot and killed one at over 400yds, while in flite,with a souped-up .44 spec. load. If you shoot enough, you are bound to wobble on sooner or later, but some of the stories I've read,both by him, and about his fantastic shooting, seem a little streatched to me.The fact is I've shot a bit, myself.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

SargOnly rattle battles I done was connected to NRA High Power Matches. Back in 88 while stationed at Eielson AFB AK I was asked by the post Commander of Fort Wainwright to put a shooting clinic on for his worst team. They all had M16A2 and talk about couldn’t hit the ground if they aimed at it. After about 4-5 hours of NRA High Power Service Rifle training there next Commanders Trophy Match they placed first place. It’s all about receiving the proper training and confidence in the equipment and yourself!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

I've put my 94 in 30-30 on Whitetails that I've estimated to be 275-300 yds out. The front bead covers the entire animal! I wouldn't take the shot if I was starving to death. How someone could even think to shoot at game at the distances described above is beyond me.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Clay, the guns I wastalking about was the High Standard Semi-Auto pistol, blowback slide, the shorts don't have enough wump to load another round... Thinking about the subject of the 270/30.06 issue, wandering why they never put the 270 through the M-60 machine Guns. You ever shoot the M-60 in any matches. You have to pickup and run to next position, set up fire, then run again.. Make you appreciate the shorter .308 over the 30.06 Thinking about WA. Mtnhunter, reckon he could run all over those mountains out there with the M-60. I think the most fun shooting in the Army was the .50 cal. Browning in a turrent mount on a m-113 personel carrier. Watch that belt, gets pretty hot.

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from Milton Burton wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

I agree. I simply do not believe all of Elmer's stories. As for the veracity of friends, I have a couple who, for enough bourbon, would swear before the Supreme Court that I'm the Imperial Potentate of The Mystic Shrine.MBP.S. I ain't the potentate.

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

SA-I think Elmer's purported "feats" had a lot more to do with the questionable veracity of friends than his shooting skills.Even if such was possible, he ought to have been smacked for even trying something that stupid.

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

By the way, when the Remington Nylon 66 came out, Consumer Reports actually did a test on it. The rifle ended up in the "Not Recommended" category. The reason? Supposedly poor accuracy. That's the only time I can remember actually seeing a firearm reviwed in CR. Throughout the 1970s most gun writers never saw a firearm they didn't like. You name it, they'd say it shot like a house afire and had nary a malfunction. Some writers appeared to actually be on the payroll of the gun companies. There are still some gun writers that I have no respect for to this day. Funny thing--if a firearms maker didn't advertise in the magazine, there was never any articles about its products. Imagine that!

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

YoopS&W still catalogs the M57 at a price that fits right in with other quality double action big bore wheelguns.ChevThat was good!BubbaElmer Keith also took a mule deer buck at a measured 725 yards with a Colt 1911 by walking the shots onto the deer as called by his friend who did witness the feat. The man, love or hate him, could shoot! Some of his deeds definitely fit into the 'Don't try this at home!' catagory.SA

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

I sometimes wonder at the voracity of E. Keith, rest his soul!I once read a story in which he stated that he shot and killed a mulie crossing a ridge at over 400 yards with a 4" S&W Mod. 29!Possible? Yes!Probable? Hmmmm.......! That is a good question! The sight radius of a 4" revolver, given the thickness of the front sight, the fact that the animal was supposedly moving, uphill, at an angle! What kind of equation that must have been to figure out!Bubba

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

So, Dave thinks the .338 is the single best cartridge for North American game? Seems like he was just haunted by the "Ghost of Big Bores Past," which would most likely be the spirit of Elmer Keith. I guess that Elmer kept blowing cigar smoke into Dave's face until he relented and chose the .338. Next, however, Dave will be haunted by the "Ghost of North American Hunting Rifles Future," and none other than Jack O'Connor will come rattling the chains he has been removing from hunters over the decades--the chains of being convinced they need a .338 for North American game! Jack will show Dave the headstones for the .338 Federal, .375 Ruger and--gasp!--the Remington ultra magnums! Jack will warn Dave about putting out-of-shape hunters into early graves by convincing them to carry around 12-pound rifles. When Dave awakes from his "dream," he'll go around proclaiming the virtues of light rifles and low-recoil cartridges! And Tiny Tim won't need to use his crutch any more, because he won't keep getting knocked on his ass by a .338!

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

YooperjackThe Ruger is a fine weapon also, if you can find one!What I like about the .41 mag is that they are built on the same frame as the .44 mag, they just have to remove less metal, which makes for a little heavier firearm. This is a plus because it reduces felt recoil somewhat plus you are burning lesser powder charges. I'm a handloader so ammo ain't a real big deal to me. I just like the .41 mag!Bubba

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from GREG wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

John, be careful what you wish for. I think Mr. Petzal is the Pres. of the local chapter of curmudgeons are us! lol

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Dr. RalphTry some CCI CB .22 Longs. I bet your RWS is louder.

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from John wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Hey Dave, what gives...any word about a daughter/granddaughter looking for a nice guy to marry? I really, really need to be part of your family...

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

FINEST AMERICAN RIFLE? 03-A3!

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from Shaky wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Coachike: There are bums in every walk of life. I know a man who left his golf bag on the green while he went for a drink. 20min. later,at his return,the bag,loaded with clubs,was nowhere in sight,he never saw them again.RMH: For quite some time, I shot my .44mag with .44spec.ammo, because I thought it would kick too hard. I ran out of ammo at the range,one day and my buddy gave me a handfull of mag.ammo.well,what was I going to do,let him think I was a wimp? NO,I shot all of them, while he watched.Believe it or not,I shot better than I ever had before with that gun. But ever so often I still shoot .44spec.just for fun.You might try that, then if you should need more oomph some day, all you need to do is load it with mags and drop that beast.Good luck; keep that barrel HOT.

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from Night Hawk wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Info y'all might want to pass around.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama#Gun_controlGun control As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama supported banning the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic firearms, increasing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms and requiring manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.[57] He sponsored a bill in 2000 limiting handgun purchases to one per month. He also voted against a 2004 measure allowing a self-defense exception for people charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home.[58]Obama was also a board member[59] of the Joyce Foundation which funds and maintains several gun control organizations in the United States.He supported several gun control measures, including restricting the purchase of firearms at gun shows and the reauthorization of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[60]While in the US Senate, Obama has voted against legislation protecting firearm manufacturers from liability.[61]

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from Night Hawk wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Info y'all might want to pass around.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama#Gun_controlGun control As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama supported banning the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic firearms, increasing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms and requiring manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.[57] He sponsored a bill in 2000 limiting handgun purchases to one per month. He also voted against a 2004 measure allowing a self-defense exception for people charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home.[58]Obama was also a board member[59] of the Joyce Foundation which funds and maintains several gun control organizations in the United States.He supported several gun control measures, including restricting the purchase of firearms at gun shows and the reauthorization of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[60]While in the US Senate, Obama has voted against legislation protecting firearm manufacturers from liability.[61]

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Uhhhhh yeah I hate to tell you this but everybody in the woods doesn't play nice. I've had a friend shoot a deer and we checked it in and ate lunch. Went back for the afternoon hunt and while we were in the woods someone took the deer out of the back of my truck. And don't leave your tree stand in the woods while you drag out your deer... it will disappear too and I'm speaking from personal experience. Wildlife Management Areas are notorious for bad behaviour and careless people with large caliber weapons.Really sorry this happened on your first deer but keep trying, it can only get better!

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from midnightbanjo wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Count me on your side Clay!I hate that it happened, I don't know if I would have been that understanding or agreeable to the request of leaving it lay. Around here during ML season through the first week of Rifle it would have been too warm to do that.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

I nominate Coach Ike as the Sportsman of the year!!!Posted by: Clay Cooper | December 09, 2007 at 09:13 PMI 2nd the nomination....All those in favor?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

CoachikeDear Sir,I’m deeply sorry this has happened to you. However, I take it you are a Coach and know that what the father did was criminal. As a former Hunter Safety Instructor, NRA Fire Arms Instructor, Military Game Warden and blessed to be on the Air Force shooting team for 11 years, this happens to the best and I’ve witnessed this time to time myself. Perhaps it’s a God thing knowing that a Sportsman of your caliber to happen to and only you. Anyone else would have gotten discouraged, walked away and sold his equipment to never to return and to bad mouth Sportsmen forever. I hope this experience of the father has taught the son a lesson and pray the son will not follow his footsteps.Coach IkeSir, you are a Great American and A Great Sportsman that I know for a fact that all here and my 8 year old Grandson can and will look up to.Thank You Sir for being who you are and I pray to God you will never change!PS, You can Coach my Grandson Alex any day Sir!!!I nominate Coach Ike as the Sportsman of the year!!!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Why do you guys keep posting my RWS? I didn't input a URL... Here's the A-5!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Hey Guys: I;m looking at a A.Uberti 45 LC with 4 3/4"bbl, blue, case harden, walnut smooth grips. I want a sidegun for the Rockies. A 44 mag would be better, but I can;t handle a 44 mag. What is your thinking on the above revolver? good or bad. I's not a cheap firearm, imported from Italy by Benelli. PLease some advice. Thanks

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from coachike wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Dave, I know this is slightly off topic but I have to share with you an event that will forever change me as a hunter. On Saturday, December 8th my brother and I were hunting in a WM (Wildlife Managment Area) which is public land to hunt on. I shot and killed my first deer. As I was climbing down from my stand and checking on my deer, two hunters came out of the woods a father and son combo. The son could not be more then 14 years of age. He started complaining that I was relatively close to the edge of his property line which backs up to the WMA. From what I gathered, he had several deer stands back there and was baiting the deer so that his son and him could have a successful hunt. I apologized for intruding and asked if it was ok to leave the dead deer right where it was as not to further disturb the remainder of the afternoon so him and his son could hunt. I informed him I would get the deer after dark. This was not a problem. Once dark, I climbed out of my stand to find out that my deer was gone. YES the man and his son had walked off with my deer. As I got to my truck, the WMA which is patrolled by gamewardens, one happened to stop by. I explained the situation and gave him a visual ID of the gentleman, son along with the deer which I had shot. I pointed the gamewarden in a general direciton as to where the man came from and three more gamewardens were able to find the house. In the backyard of this man's house was not only my deer but another doe he had taken that was gutted and hung. Neither deer was tagged or registered. What bothers me is that this man had taught his son that it was ok to steal another hunter's deer along with failing to legally tag and register both deer. I was furious because this was my first deer that I have ever shot and even more furious because this is the type of behavior that can ruin the reputaiton of a lot of responsible hunters. I don't know if the man was given a summons or not. Althoug, he deserves one along with a swift kick in the a**.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

sargPending on the cut and grade of the barrel for 22 long rifle will shoot 22 shorts also.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

My brother in law helped drag out a black bear that field dressed 498 pounds this weekend. His buddy shot it they live in east Tennessee near the Ocoee and Tellico bear reserves. 30-06 one shot... random ruminations... my Browning lever action .22 shoots shorts, longs, long rifles whatever you want to feed it. But it still wakes the wife when fired on the back porch thus the RWS... anybody ever shot a deer with a .40S&W? I may try it next weekend or maybe take my dad's A-5 they're both virgins as far as southern whitetails are concerned... got my buck now it's time to play! Of course if I do see something big I'll cry about it the rest of my life. At least I'll have a good excuse. No deer with the Knight this year... damn!

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from sarg wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Clay, you or someone was talking about a gun to shoot .22 shorts only. I've got a High Standard H-B that will not shoot the shorts, not enough hump there but they did make an auto pistol like mine (1942 Highstandard) in a .22 only version called the model"c". Hard to find today. I like the old High Stanard models B, H-B, H-D and the Cauto pistols.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Dave in St PeteModel 77, good catch Sir!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Bubba:Thanks for the advice. Itried to find one of those SW # 57's. Boy, for a failed gun the're sure pricy! I'm leaning towards the Ruger New Model SA in 41 or 44 Mag. I shoot a Colt SA 22 now, and the transition should be easy. Plus, I'll be carrying that in the woods when I'm working so the less I spend, the less I'll worry about getting paint on it, etc. The only thing I'm worried about is those hogs, although I honestly believe that, if someone turned up lame, a pack of wolves would look at you as dinner.Again, thanks for the input.YooperJack

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

The only real advantage of a Ruger 10-22 has over a Remington Nylon 66 is 3 things. The ability to put a scope on it, second a sling and third a larger capacity magazine. Other than that I’ll take the Nylon 66 against the 10-22 any day!

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from sarg wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Thomas, agree 100% on the 513.. none finer than the older Remington 510,513, etc.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

When I grew up in the 50's and 60's , if anyone could have caught you carrying a nylon 66, you couldn't show your face at the pool hall. If you saw some one with a nice pistol stuck in their belt and you wanted to make them made just ask them if they had an "owlhead" in their belt... Can any of you guys remember the old Iver Johnson owl heads?

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from sarg wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Hey guys, the Rem. nylon 66 can't hold a candle to the older Rem 510's or 512 of by gone days...

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

SA,I'll forgive ya this time but don't let it happen again. After all I never make misstaches. ;)Mark-1,That's a Nylon 77 not a Nylon 66.

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

FYI I have seen a number Remington 66's with clips. They were sold years ago by one of the discount chains for $40. As I recall these rifles were green and black.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Looked up the Korth in 2008 Gun Digest; they start at over $5000.00 USD!!! Finest? Maybe! Ought to be at that price! Suffice it to say if I had that amount in my new gun budget (currently at $11.42) I would be looking at the S&W .460 first, a .22 target bolt action next, a 16 or 20 gauge double barrel third and perhaps one of those extra fancy BB guns DEP was all about not long ago! And I'll have a few bucks left over to get something nice for the wife!SA

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Well don't I have egg all over my face?! Mixed up the Remington .22s thinking the 66 had a clip magazine. Oops, forgive me guys?As to the .338 Win Mag; no doubt it is a fantastic cartridge, good selection of factory ammo for it available most bigger gun and sporting goods stores. As DEP stated, power and finesse to spare. BUT it is not the right cartridge for the armchair quarterback turned once a year deer hunter; face it folks that describes most hunters I know, most hunters are better served with the .30-06, .308 or lesser round. Cost to practice is less with either, learning to shoot either well is easier than any true magnum.SA

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from GREG wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

I lik the Marine Corp saying. KILL EM ALL AND LET GOD SORT THEM OUT!!

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from Moishe wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

#$&@in keyboard! GHETTO!!!!!!!!!

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from Moishe Goldstein wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

I owns just 2 Pistols, 1 Walther PP in .32 Cal,good enough for home defense, and a 1911A1 for the woods, or un the nearby gheto in KCMO as a "JIC" weapon with a ccw permit of course ;-)

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Midnight BanjoWalking through an open bottom one day, nothing but huge, no limb for 20 feet, pin oaks every 30 or 40 feet apart. Stepped over a groin high dead log and suddenly heard a snort, "Deer!" followed by a grunt! "What the...!" I reached into the game pouch of my hunting vest to retrieve the 20 ga. buckshot I kept there. Three squirrels, NO buckshot!!! Snort, grunt! I sat on the log staring hard into the weeds and brush 30 yards in front of me, nothing! Snort, grunt! Suddenly, I see a dark red back rising above the briars and broom grass along an opening! Nothing small enough to climb and nothing but a 20 ga. shotgun! I chogged the sixth round into the little Mod 12 Win, stepped back across the log, hoping that if she came, the log would slow her down long enough for me to get a point-blank into her chest or preferably into her head or face!Fortunately, for the both of us, she flushed with her two piglets to head deeper into the bottom. Closest I've ever been to an all out charge by wild game!Soon began carrying a Ruger Blackhawk in .41 Rem Mag! Now I carry a S&W Mod 57!Bubba

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Wow - what a list! Never heard of some of them, and I'd have to take a 30-06 exception to the .338 though.As for piggies - someone posted above that they were thinking about personal protection from them - I've always used my .45 1911. Dropped one eariler this year and changed the mind of the others. What ever you decide, make it something you can handle while hanging on to a tree.

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

I have enjoyed a Nylon 66 (brown/blue) since the late sixies. The inability to properly scope the piece is true but again it is a plinker. Just this past week I looked at a mint Nylon 66 (the guy also had a 77) in black/chrome and was shocked that he wanted $700.00 for it. At the gun shop next door there is a another 66 in black/chrome with a mixmatched magazine rod and a repaired stock for $150.00. I think I remember Walmart having some green/blue versions near the end of production. My local gunsmith told me that Remington stopped making them because their dies finally wore out and they moved along to their next .22 product but I cannot verify this statement.Harlon was the best and anyone who ever read or heard him will find this difficult to refute.I own many rifles but agree that the .338 is the best of the bunch. I have used it on everything from p-dawgs to moose with great success for almost twenty five years. My fifteen year old son loved to shot it before he moved on to bigger rifles. I know there are those who don't believe this but with a rifle of proper weight and correct stock a kid who had has adequate training can easily use a .338 loaded with near max rounds. Depends a lot on the kid, how much time dad spends with him, and his experience shooting everything for .22s up. Again I shoot various .30 cals but have observed that there is a great difference between the "drop dead killing ability" in the field between any .30 and any .33 of similiar bullet construction and speed. The .33s have it.I still cannot convince myself that luck is not the key component of being a successful hunter based on about forty years of hunting and watching others. We all know the old saying that "better lucky than good". I have no explanation and wish it were not true but this idea constantly seems to slap me in the face. I must know a hundred stories that I have witnessed such as where the once every ten years hunter with a .250-3000 who stumbles up a ridge and drops a 400 B & C bull while his friend who hunts from archery season to the end of the year with his almost shot out .300 Weatherby struggles to get a glimpse at a spike elk. Lots of stories, lots of luck or lack of luck, either way it really appears to play a part.One of Tom Frye's rifles and some of the blocks are on display at the BBHC in Cody, WY.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

SA,The Nylon 66 loads through the butt. 14 rounds like the old guns used at the county fairs.No spring just dump em in.And it was Tom Frye shooting 100,004 blocks in two days using two Nylon 66 rifles.These blocks are the holy grail of 66 collectors.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

All this talk of .22's has made the voices in my head tell me to clean all my .22's. After that go dirty them up again and reclean them so I can get them dirty again. Gawd I love the smell of Hoppies #9 in the morning, and gun powder in the afternoons. My favorite is my WWII vintage Remington 513 Match Master. I have shot more 10X's then I can count and 2 perfect targets in my life time. My right arm is still sore from putting on my sling. (South Paw sling go on right bicipe.)

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from Moishe Goldstein wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Greg, thank you, I think my father would say he was no hero,just a muddy dog face PFC. As the called them in that particular place and time. I think he was a hero too. I never had a chance to see him to remember, I was born Aug 15,41 he joined on Dec 8 ,4166 years ago today!

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from Bernie Kuntz wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

In theory the .338 Win. Magnum indeed could be the finest all-around North American big game cartridge, if the hunter is going to pursue most NA species. However, the majority of hunters never hunt anything larger than whitetails and black bear. And I estimate that at least 3/4s of hunters would be intimidated by the recoil of the .338. I have owned a .338 for 35 years, have been in on the kill of three Alaskan brown bears with it; I also took one Alaska/Yukon moose,three barren ground caribou bulls, at least a half dozen elk, and several deer with the cartridge. One of the caribou was at 368 paces. Mine is built on a Sako action with Lilja barrel.Anyway, I still think the average hunter, who doesn't shoot several hundred rounds a year practicing, would be better off with a .30/06.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Thomas If it wasnt for your friend and those like him the as@#$%e tha fired him would be speaking japanese or german. Thank you to your friend. My 66 never jammed once in 30 years. loading from the butt isnt always the greatest but still woulnt trade it for the world.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Nylon 66, had one for years and it has never failed. On the Japs one of my friends was WWII vet from 82nd Airborne. In later years he was a salesman for a Japaneese steel firm. Being a professional paratrooper had left its mark on him and at a meeting/social occasion one of the young Japs ask him if all the 82nd decals on his briefcase was a college fraternity. He replied that if WWII had lasted a few more months then no Japaneese would ever forget or fail to know what the 82nd Airborne was. Shortly afterwards he was fired, so much for forgivness.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

To Moisha, Your Father is a Hero and I will NEVER I say again Never forget. I had relatives in every theater in WWII. Some wounded none killed. I will NEVER forget!!!! To Miltongun owners opinionated your full of crap!!LOL

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from Moishe Goldstein wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

By that I think he would advocate that anything over 1,000 pounds needed at least a 375 H&H or Weatherby Magnum ( When he was writing Weatherby made those I don't know if they still do.)

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from Moishe Goldstein wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Black Bear is the smallest thing ( except for vermin and small predators that is)worth shooting in AK, I lived there for years! But remember always what Robert Ruark said. "USE ENOUGH GUN" ! JUST IN CASE IT CAN STILL REACH YOU AND KILL YOU BEFORE IT DIES!

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from Moishe Goldstein wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

I still cannot forgive and forget that the lil yella bu*stards attacked Pearl Harbor, but they also killed my father at Iwo Jima. The only thing I am for given them is a large bomb on their 10 biggest cities.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Any thoughts on the 300RUM?

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

To unsigned blogger..Ballistically, the .375 Ruger is a kick butt round, but I don't see a need for it? I think it will turn into another argument over how scarce is the ammo? Will it become a Ruger exclusive round? I just don't see it surviving over time.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

LastEarlCertainly there were/are a lot of Pacific Theater vets who continued to dispise the Japanese long after the war. Unfortunately for American industry a lot of other Americans bought Toyotas, Datsun/Nissans, Subarus and Mitsubishis along with Sonys, Aiwas the list goes on; instead of Fords, Chryslers, Chevys or RCAs, Magnavoxes etc.I'm reminded of the book (and incident which spawned it) by Jerry Della Famina called 'From Those Wonderful Folks Who Brought You Pearl Harbor' about Japanese branding and marketting strategies. Della Famina is an ad man from New York who was assigned to the Toyota account by his mega agency employer, Toyota was looking for a slogan and Jerry came out with that line. Summarily dismissed from both account and agency he went on to write that (and other books on branding and advertising) and continued to have sucess in the business. In the late 60's or early 70's when the incident occured the comment did hit a still raw nerve with the Japanese executives.SA

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Great article! What are your thoughts on the new 375 ruger for alaskin game?

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Forgot to mention above; the Ruger 10-.22 out innovates the Nylon 66 as well, the 10 round rotary magazine fits flush with the weapon and is as easy to load with round 10 as round 1. Friends who have owed the Remingtons often commented that the last couple of rounds were hard to squeeze into that stick mag, plus the feed angle of the Nylon 66 is higher than that of the Ruger making for potential problems (though I can't say I heard a lot about the things jamming). I know people often say the magazine release on the 10-.22 is hard to operate in rapid fire sequences; I always reply that if the pop cans or squirrels are shooting back you need more rifle anyway!In its favor though, I recall an older Remington ad for the Nylon 66. One of the exhibition shooters (Tom Knapp?) drilled some 1000 plus wooden blocks of 1" cube size thrown in the air with one Nylon 66. All with no jams or failures.They are both good, fun, rifles!SA

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from Milton Burton wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Reading these comments I just had an epiphany!! We gun owners are opinionated!! Who would have ever thought it? As for the best all-round caliber, my vote goes to the .323 Remchester Super Snorter.

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from lastearlofshaw wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

For what it's worth:Every W.W. II vet I know, who saw combat in the Pacific, would vaporize the entire nation of Japan if they could do so.They saw unimaginable cruelties that made even the Bataan Death March look like a cake-walk.I think 2/3 of all P.O.W.s held by the Japanese in W.W. II died...

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Clay CooperI remember in Michigan both a small game and a deer license got you the right to shoot a black bear. I started hunting in 1962, quit in 1969, and started again in 1979. By 1979, bears were only available with a license obtained through a lottery. We see them at least once a week in the summer but once they wind you, they alway run.YooperJack

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Shot many a round thru a Nylon 66. It was a blast!Best hand gun?Toughness & value - RugerVersatility - S&WClass - ColtIf you want a real piggy popper, try a S&W Mod 57. Plenty of stopping power, low recoil for quick follow up shots! Probably the very best of handgun cartridges, in my opinion, just not well received by the public!Finest American rifle?Without a doubt, Marlin. The only reason it wasn't more popular that the Mod 94 Win was because a cowboy could buy a 94 for a month's wages, the Marlin was better built, so a bit more expensive. With wages at five bucks a month, cheap was important!Caliber! .338 Win Mag? I don't think so "Scooter"! The .30-06, .270 and the venerable .30-30 has and will continue to take more game than any other six calibers combined! ... of all sizes!The world renowned and all knowing...Bubba (yeah, right!)

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Black Bear considered small game in Alaska?That is my kind of place to live!I side with Dave on the .338 Win Mag as being the best all around North American hunting round;BUT the 8mm Rem Mag I think being a slight edge better. Alas, this round never received the proper respect in hunting history it deserved.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

To Clay cooper, My 66 worked great with a scope for 25 years but know Iam havin all kinds of trouble. It will shoot 2 or 3 in the same whole and then they start to wander all over the target? several people gave me advice but nothing seemed to work. I will take it to a gunsmith before I retire her! I love that gun!

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from Breen wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

I agree with the '86. Had one in 40-82. Looked worn-out on the outside but was still tight as a bank vault. Had been obviously carried on a saddle loop for years. Porcupine quills in the stock along with pocketknife carvings of game by the owner, and six notches...?Currently have its little brother, a '92 in 32WCF. Shoots 1" at 50 yards. Slick as an eel.

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from Chawkins wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

.338 is the best Cartridge? How about the .300 Weatherby Mag. It shoots faster, Its harder, and drops less. You can go low grain for Hogs, middle grain for white tail, and bring in heavy grain for that polar bear, or damn near an elephant if you wanted to.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Believe it or not, black bear in Alaska is considered as small game back in 1990

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from Ed J wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Well I got 2 out of 8, a 86 chambered in 33 WIN forrunner to the 338

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

300 Woosy Snort Much

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Remington Nylon Model 66 is one of the best semi 22 ever to hit the market. Not worth a damn with a scope due to its free floating barrel.338 for the best North American cartridge? Only if you plan to hunt game larger than Caribou like Elk and Moose! 270 with a 130 grain on caribou works great but a 338 Win Mag even at out as far as 700 is still too much gun!

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from Ozark Guide wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

The results of this poll are amazing!!! USA TODAY POLLhttp://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm

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from tay wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

you asked for it by picking the .338 Winchester Magnum. So my 2 cents it the .300 WSM

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Yeah the only good politician is a dead politician. I am sure the words" I did not have Sex with that woman" will be remembered for generations. But the question is to what woman was he talking to. Hillary or Monica. We all know he had sex with Monica. So he must have been telling Monica that he has not had sex with Hillary. Then we had "Read my Lips! No new taxes" as George Herbert Walker Bush said. Or how about "I'm All Ears." Ross Perot said.Between all the body parts nobody is useing their Brain yet.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Ate a politician? Bet that hog spit for a week.LOL

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Climb trees quick. True story from southern Miss. Friend squirrel huntin with a .22 lr came up on a big sow with some young ones about 15 or 20 pounds. Decided he could kill one with a .22. Problem was momma ,daddy and others didnt take kindly to it and he spent the night in a tree. Still hasnt lived it down!LOL

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from Trae B. wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

oh yea as for hog huntin if you have a mad hog after you.you want something powerfull,but if your really into it get something with a clip that you can reload real fast.me and some buddies found out that you can easily empty a 9. mill clip into a hog and just make it mad.but I say go for a 44. because their awsome and learn to climb trees.

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from Trae B. wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

sorry above I ment wants not qants

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from Trae B. wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

I aint never heard of a korth either.but if any one qants to know my favorite guns are:rifle-303.britishshotgun:I like my mossburg 12 gauge pump.handgun:44.colt revolver with a stag horn handlemuzzleloader:civil war cannon.lol

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Even a domestic Hog I would not like to mess with. Some of them bruisers can go close to 700 pounds. They make the perfect garbage disposal. Anything a politician can dish out they can digest. I've see a politician fall in one time and the hogs charged and ate him. Meat, bones hair and all. The only thing left of him were his lies.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

YooperIf you are seriously looking for that personal protection sidearm I would say .44 Mag as minimum but lean to the .460 S&W if you can swing it; excellent numbers on that cartridge and the weapon is top notch too. I would love to see a carbine chambered for it to match the wheelgun. As Thomas and Greg have both mentioned; hogs can take some killing (so say the experts -- I've yet to kill one) and I durn sure want as much power as I can muster if a cougar or bear gets intent on dining on my carcass!SA

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

On a serious note Yoop . Im from AR and AL and we are eat up with hogs. I would want at least a .44 mag. I used to shoot them with a ,30-.30 TC contender but with one shot i made sure I was already in a tree. They have a shoulder plate that I have seen arrows bounce off of.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

YooperjackA .357 is sufficient but I would want to be the one pulling the trigger. I would be the one running for the nearest tall tree. We have some wild escapees down here in Troll land. I have seen in the papers some of them hogs have been 200 to 300 pounds. For something that big I would want a BIG Gun. Maybe something in the .50 Cal range. .50AE, .500S&W, .50Beowulf, ect, ect, ect. But I am sure a nice .44Mag and up will do.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Shoot Yoop get a S&W .500 pistol that will stop a choo choo!

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Shoot Yoop get a S&W .500 pistol that will stop a choo choo!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Actually it was. I am kind of thinking about buying personal protection though. We now have wild hogs and timber wolves in addition to black bears. I've seen one mountain lion. I don't worry too much about bears. They're blind and deaf but a nose a blodhound would kill for! The wolves scare me a bit and the hogs scare me alot! Is 357 mag sufficient?Thank youYooperJack

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

CLI am sure your tongue was firmly planted in your cheek! I know Yoop's was! $6000 would buy a couple of the .460 S&Ws and money left over for a couple of M29s too! Plus a good amount of ammo to practice with!SA

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

CLYou forgot to include where to buy! With prices like that I'm sure everyone reading this is waiting!

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from canadian lurker wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

The German site list the prices in Euros. Looks like the auto is about 4000E, say $8000 but they have a great special on the wheeled guns. They normally sell for 3800E (it's a bit pricey, especially for the .22LR) but they've got the .357mag at an incredible 3000E or $6000. Hurry while they are still available.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

The nylon model 66 is nice, but I like the plain jane Rem 597 in stainless. I bought one when they first came out and it was/is super accurate straight out of the box. Sure it had problems, but once I learned to move my fat thumb out the way of the slide it never jammed again. (I am a south paw and my right thumb would get hit by the slide lever) The magazines were a pain to load but once you knew how to stack the cartridges it would feed all day long. What turned me on to it was it did not have the heavy trigger pull of the 10-22 and it was something that was not common place yet.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

The WWII vet's have every right to hold a grudge. They remember the Death March's and the torture that went one at the hands of the Japanese. Of the starved to death fellow solders. And how hard fighting it was to occupie a piece of land only to be driven back and retreat. They remember the smells of burnt flesh because the only way to get them out of the holes was to burn them out.

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from TJB wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

338 Win Mah in a custom Belgian Browning my grandfather gave is the best gone I've ever owned. It does not have bad recoil!!!! It also shoots .6 inch groups at 100 yards. Thanks for praising the 338.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

I know that Pearl Harbor Vets who still hold a grudge are probably wrong, but I find it hard to judge them after what they experienced. I beleive that any of the WWII Vets can have those feelings.YooperJack

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from chuckb wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Dave: Harlon Carter remains as controversial as he was in the 70s, but he saw its membership as the strength of the NRA as nobody has before or since. Included in his remarks to the NRA Cincinnati meeting in '77 was this immortal passage: "You, the membership, are entitled to have an NRA that is responsive to your wishes. That is right, that is what you have demanded, and that's the way it is going to be ... You are the NRA, not I, not these gentleman here [referring to the Directors and staff on the dais]. You are all we have."

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Doc R:-On DP’s rant, It’s The Enemies! They’re everywhere!-Dec 7th: I’ve yet to find a Pacific War Vet that had or wanted to show any kindness to the Japanese. There has to be rationale to carry that grudge, that deeply, for that long and go to the grave with no apologies or remorse.--Remington has come out with a number of Model 66 type .22’s. The Viper and 597 are the latest using synthetics. Except for the barrel and a few other parts the Viper is re-cycled pop bottles. Survival rifles, they are IMO.--338 is really good for the world’s hunting as well as North America big game. Most people can handle a 338 Mag. 375 HH takes a special action and the rifles are too bulky compared to a 338.--H Carter made Conan the Barbarian look like a whimp as he “crushed his enemies, saw them driven before him, and heard the lamentations of the women”. The 2A Battle stems from Harlon and people are obviously still talking about him.--Clinton’s—Fatally flawed. Hillary elected president will have her being Billy’s mouth piece for his 90’s policies in a new century and millennium. I feel like I'm watching 40-year old campus radical battles. Obama will never get the Dem’s blessing even if he deserves it. No way the Clinton crowd is going to be locked out of the loop. The Democratic Party will be hijacked, if it hasn’t already.--Patience and Self-Control; Yeah. …And they can go at any time, to any one at the most inconvenient moments.

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from Dennis wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Do people around here not have any sense of class. I agree with the winchester 1886 as americas greatest rifle. In 405 or 45-70 they are a great rifle heck look at the model 71 winchester. Its the same design as the 86 except in smokeless and chambered in a great cartridge. The designed the 94 after the 86 action. Iagree with most of your stuff but i think the 375H&H is a better all around cartridge.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

SA,I've never been a 10-22 fan. I think it's because everyone has one. (I guess I'm just a pervert...errr I mean PERVERSE).As far as the 12 gauge I'll go along with that. If I could only have one long gun it would be a 12.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Dr Ralph,I won't question your statement that your Uncle still saw them as the enemy, but in any case I think he is correct.I believe we in the US including (especially) our diplomats are naive beyond imaging when dealing with foreign cultures. Especially near and far Eastern ones.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

DaveRuger 10-.22 out shoots, out reliables, out lasts and looks better (IMhO) than the Nylon 66!As to the Korth; have you seen and handled the new S&W .460 X-Frame yet? Here is a factory offering which fires probably the best big game revolver round yet invented and the ones I've handled (in gun stores only -- the same ones we all can buy) seem excellent. The Korth is by all accounts precision crafted, meticulously finished and beautiful but who among us plebes has ever even laid eyes on one? I haven'tOn the single best cartridge for all North American game I have to disagree; but you knew that! Although on paper the .338 Win Mag has the best attributes for the job the reality is that few people will put the money and effort into being able to shoot it well enough! If we restrict the discussion here to rifle cartridges then the .30-06 gets the nod; there are factory loads for every conceivable hunting situation, rifles aplenty and almost anyone can learn to shoot it well with out breaking the bank! If we open this up then the 12 Gauge shotgun wins hands down; everything from pigeons to polar bears have fallen to its bellow.SA

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Thanks Greg... sorry to say I had forgotten. My Great Uncle Engdahl was in Pearl Harbor that day and lived to his mid eighty's. Retired from the military and then the Army Corps of Engineers. Last time I saw him was at my mom's funeral in 2000 and he was drinking bourbon and talking about the Japanese culture and how they were so much different from us because of their tradition of "saving face". It was the one thing he could not forgive them... they were the enemy.

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

1. As a owner of a Nylon 66, it’s a fine gun but still just a plinker. Also makes you wonder why they stopped making it 20 years ago if it’s still the most modern revolutionary rifle.6. We’re talking about game which can run from a 20lb bobcat to a 2000lb polar bear. No doubt, a .338 will kill them all. Then again, same could be said for a .460 Weatherby. I’d vote for the .300 Winchester Magnum as the best one-size-fits-all. Bullets and loads are available for true sporting use for the full range of game without the mess. But have that .460 Weatherby ready as a back up in case you get sloppy on the polar bear.7. When it comes to the kinds of people I want in the woods with a gun, I’d have to put educated before patient.

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from buckstopper wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Don't forget Sen. Boxer and Sen. Schumer as salepersons for the "get your guns now while you can award".I always like the Rem. mod 522 speedmaster beter than nylon 66 even though it didn't look as cool.There is no comparison to Harlan Carter.Didn't we just do the 30-06 vs .270 thing.How about a S & W Mod 29 or 1911?

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

I keep several stacked in the corner away from the computer! About 3 I think?

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from Blue Ox wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Greg, how many keyboards have you gone thru this weeek?

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from Blue Ox wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

.338 is fine for taking north american game, but I'd rather go with a .375 H&H. Good medicine for anything on the planet.But that's just me.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Off subject but let us not forget this day, Dec. 7 1941.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Dang Doc I just spit my tea all over my keyboard.LOL

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Cancel my subscription... oh wait, I'm not paying for this crap. Petzal has your home office been overtaken by the jack booted thugs? Bet they pulled up some bogus "illegal importation of firearms from South Africa" rap and have thrown you in the stockade. Never fear, help is on it's way. I warned you about not being anonymous, and in the middle of a presidential campaign you bring up baby burning and snipers taking out unarmed helpless women under an Attorney General hand picked by the FRONT RUNNER? You realize, of course, that the IRS will be next...I know all of this because of the bad craziness you call the sixth superlative. It's an obvious cry for help. No sane man would make this call. You want everyone to know you are no longer in control of your facilities and need heavily armed men in body armor to intervene.Either that or Clay Cooper has hacked into your system and replaced "30-06 Springfield" with ".338 Winchester Magnum".

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Greg,I'll back you up on the Nylon 66. I bought one about 3 months ago for 180 out the door.Shoots like nothing I've ever held before. Fun, fast, accurate, light, just a joy to shoot.

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Ya ,.. day shoot da moose in Norway & Sweden tooo,vit da 6.5So as much as I do respect da Petzal man,.. I gonna disagree dis time..338 only needed ven ole and Liena get into big argument ,.. Den vee need a lot of noise or a fire hose to get em apart ,.. or if you need to shoot a brown at 250 yd which i tink is a prettty risky proposition

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from BA wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Obviously this list of superlatives will generate alot of heat. It will make for lively discussion. With Black Bear being the largest game animal where I live and hunt I'll stick to my 270 WSM. Now that's putting fuel on the fire. Remember it's the Indian.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Typo on th Nylon 66, sorry.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

I absolutely love my Nylon 661 Ive had it for about 30 years.At one time I could light a match and shoot a penny lengthwise. Havin problems with it now. I think I have actually shot it out. Ill take it to a gunsmith before I give it up. Dont care if fixin it cost more than its worth too sentimental. No. 6 is really gonna get some reactions.

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from BA wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Dave, I couldn't agree more with everything in this article, except I'd never heard of the Korth. Thanks for the insight.

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from DWGriffin wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

According to the Gospel as preached by Petzal for a number of years, low recoil is prized. I seem to recall that he has noted that the 6.5 Swede is used to take moose in Finland, and, to almost quote, not knowing any better, the moose die. The implication was that the wise Europeans never use too much gun.So. . .is there a new revelation? The 338 as the best caliber? Did grizzlies alter the equation, or is recoil not as important as Prophet Petzal has led to believe?

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from John wrote 6 years 19 weeks ago

Dave, do you have any cute Grand Daughters in their 20's or early 30's? I really need to become part of your family, respectfully.

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