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August 20, 2007

The Miraculous Triple-X?

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

However, I was out this morning working up a load for those same 225-grain XXXs in a .338 Remington Ultra Mag (known to its friends as a .333 RUM). This is a nearly off-the-rack factory rifle—a stainless 700 BDL whose 26-inch barrel was chopped back to 23.5 because a 26-barrel is fine for pole vaulting, but not hunting. Anyway, this thing burns enough powder to put a medium-sized satellite in orbit, and the first load I tried averaged .812-inch. (Its average with other loads is 1.02).

Now I don’t care what people write; sub-minute accuracy in an untweaked factory rifle that burns 90-plus grains of powder is pretty damned rare, and can only be attributed to the bullet. Has anyone else gotten the same results from XXXs?

We await your information.

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from Gerald Keller wrote 5 years 36 weeks ago

Late getting back with this post,but as far as the Newfie Moose hunt with 185 gr. TSX's in my 338-06,They worked just fine.Slightly quartering on at about 110-120 yds.the moose took one step,turned around,and fell down dead.Bullet recovered under skin on off side and weighed 184.1 grs.I've got a box of the tipped Triple Shocks in 338 cal.,160gr,and some 140gr. 7mm tipped TSX's to try to reduce the whitetail population in Alabama this year,but then I also have a 25-06 that needs to spend some quality time in the woods.Decisions-Decisions!!

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from Laszlo wrote 5 years 47 weeks ago

Desperately looking for Barnes .308, 140 grain X (X, not Triple Shock) bullets.Also searching for rifles made by Joe duBiel of Sherman, TX, in the mid 1980's.Any info or help is appreciated!Sincerely,The Mad Hungarian

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 2 weeks ago

Took the Kimber 2506 to the range yesterday to try some XXX and Hornady Interlock loads. The wind blows almost everyday in KS. It was pretty calm right up until I finished setting up the Ohler. Then it kicked up to 10-15 MPH. Dang, well gonna shoot anyhow. Guess what? Got the best velocity and accuracy with 58.5 gr Hodgedon H1000, 117 gr Interlock, Rem 9 1/2 primer and WW brass. She went .50 in. for 3 shots and 3050 fps no sign of high pressure. Will try a little more powder next trip. Jury still out on XXX. Got 3300 vel. but groups too big 2-2.5" @ 100yd.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 6 weeks ago

TerryI only shot one deer (last year) with a .30-06 165 gr. Triple Shock. Went over like a sack of feed. I am going to load some 100 gr TSX for my .257 Roberts at about 2900 fps and see how they shoot.

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from terry wrote 6 years 6 weeks ago

I am late to see this blog and jump on but my experience with the triple x has been incredible. groups well under a minute and awesome terminal performance. To date the I have 3 elk at ranges from 160 to 275 yards, 2 deer at 75 and 340 yards, and 7 wild boar from 15 feet to about 75 yards. All but one dropped in their tracks, the lone walker took 4 steps. All were shoot through penetration, no bullets recovered, and the wound channels were impressive. All this with a .257 Roberts shooting a 115 grain XXX at 2700 fps. Am I happy with this bullet? Would a 50 pound sack of flour make a big biscuit?

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from Del in Kansas wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

FOR ROCKY MTN HUNTER,For your black powder guns1. Mix equal parts Murphy's oil soap, denatured alcohol and hydrogen pyroxide in a dark colored bottle. This is the best black powder solvent I have EVER seen bar none and it is cheaper than most. Wally world has all the ingredients. Got the recipe from a friend years ago and it really works. One wet patch is usually all it takes to remove the crud from my flintlock longrifle or any of my in-lines.2. Go to www.ultra coatings inc and read up on their bore coat. They don't say it on the website but the company that is testing This product is Thompson Center. I'm using this stuff in my new Kimber 2506 (it works in any gun) and it should cure your problem with loading the second shot in your in-line. They swear this stuff will reduce or prevent the crud ring from forming in barrels that use 3 pellets. I intend to eventually use it in all my guns. These guys also have a contract with TC to weathercoat barrels on their high dollar guns. One of the owners is a retired police officer and a long time friend of mine. He also builds really nice long rifles when he has time. Check it out online and let me know what you think.

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from BA wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

So far I have not shot or loaded any Barnes Bullets. I have some 53 grain .223 bullets XXX to load for my .223 Rem. I am looking for a reliable bullet that is not a varmint bullet. For the most part I've read really good reviews on all Barnes Bullets. I try to test all the bullets I'm interested in on game in the field. Hornady interlocks were always my standard for comparison. This year with the 270 WSM I took: 1 Blacktail Buck with a Hornady Interbond 130 gn. at 105 yds., 1 Blacktail Buck with Swift A-Frame 150 gn. 30 yds., and 1 Black Bear with Swift A-Frame 150 gn @ 210 yds. All without excessive meat damage. The first buck and the bear were clean heart/lung shots, no shoulder damage, no large bones hit. The second buck was through the shoulders at 30 yds, there was some meat damage but it was minimal. Complete penetration on all. All dropped in their tracks. Next year will be the Barnes XXX bullet for a comparison on bullet performance. I may try XXX and MRX and pick the one my gun likes the best. Bullets are better now than they've ever been, it's a handloaders dream. If anyone has killed a Black Bear with the Barnes XXX this year, I'd like to hear about it. BA.

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from Duane Matejk wrote 6 years 22 weeks ago

Dave,I have been a true believer in the Barnes X bullet since 1992 when I shot my first elk at 441 yards with one shot out of my Winchester 70 300 Weatherby mag. My brother and a guide were right next to me so I don't care really if anyone disputes it. I have a 100 yard target with a three shot, 3/8 inch group hanging in my gun safe. At the time I owned 3 Model 70's . One 270 Weatherby and a 308 and they all shot sub moa groups with Barnes X handloads. For years I have been wondering why anyone would use anything but an X bullet. It CAN'T come apart and is amazingly accurate.Barnes is a great company run by really good people.

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from Kodiak wrote 6 years 29 weeks ago

Mike, Clay answered your question that I agree with. Read it!

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from Mike Reeder wrote 6 years 29 weeks ago

I had a question about Winchester Super Speed Xtra game loads, which I purchased at Walmart. I hate to admit it, but I've had so little chance to dove hunt the last three seasons that a case of shells I bought four years ago just ran out. I usually buy the cheapest 7 1/2 loads I can find, since I let them get close and prefer mild recoil to any imagined margin in reach. I initially hesitated to buy the aforementioned Winchester loads because of the 1,350 velocity listed on the box, which struck me as a tad high. I had a hunt booked with my son the next day, though, and had no time to look for anything else. When I shot these shells in the field, recoil was notably more than my usual game loads, and several times I had trouble breaking my O/U open. It's a modern gun in very good condition and I've never had problems before, even with far more powerful turkey loads. I noticed that several primers, though not cratered, bore more than the usual dimple. In other words, indications of high pressure. I also noticed that the fired shells stunk -- not unlike blackpowder. Obviously, these are smokeless loads, but I've never noticed any similar smell with other gameloads. Can you enlighten me about what is going on here?Thanks

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 29 weeks ago

Mike ReederMy gut feeling is the Mike; your O/U is designed for trap and skeet loads. Not for game loads.There are loads and casing that firearms just don't like. You may have found one of them? Perhaps the load is to hot. In single and double barrels, I’ve seen loads so hot the barrel drops and the shell goes flying over the shooters shoulder, NO JOKE! Try a box of Federal and Remington of the same load criteria. See if you get the same results. But first you need to have your O/U inspected. Take your empties and shotgun to an old Mom and Pop Sporting goods store that has been around for a long time. They may be able to tell you what’s wrong.

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from Mike Reeder wrote 6 years 29 weeks ago

I had a question about Winchester Super Speed Xtra game loads, which I purchased at Walmart. I hate to admit it, but I've had so little chance to dove hunt the last three seasons that a case of shells I bought four years ago just ran out. I usually buy the cheapest 7 1/2 loads I can find, since I let them get close and prefer mild recoil to any imagined margin in reach. I initially hesitated to buy the aforementioned Winchester loads because of the 1,350 velocity listed on the box, which struck me as a tad high. I had a hunt booked with my son the next day, though, and had no time to look for anything else. When I shot these shells in the field, recoil was notably more than my usual game loads, and several times I had trouble breaking my O/U open. It's a modern gun in very good condition and I've never had problems before, even with far more powerful turkey loads. I noticed that several primers, though not cratered, bore more than the usual dimple. In other words, indications of high pressure. I also noticed that the fired shells stunk -- not unlike blackpowder. Obviously, these are smokeless loads, but I've never noticed any similar smell with other gameloads. Can you enlighten me about what is going on here?Thanks

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Erock: The Savage ll0 is a great firearm. Don;t think it gets the credit due. Not a high $$ gun, but a good firearm. Most do shoot good patterns of near l l/2" at 100 yds. With a good scope, (I do mean a good scope,$400.00 range ,not a Wal-Mart special) right Ammo,then it's' just as good as a Custom Built job. I got a high Dollar Custom 06 and at 100 yds is perfect, beyond is iffy. I just had the chamber rebored,Bbl rimmed and did not help the long range patterns. The Stevens 200 is nothing but the standard ll0 and is a great gun. Just pratice a lot, and buy the best Ammo available and go get -UM.All my hunting guns, carry a Nikon Monarch 3 x 9 x 40 scope, to me, better quality than any 400.00 scope on market now. o you can spend much more, but no better scope. At 98% light gathering, no one beats that. Take care, good hunting this fall.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Clay: Right again. I sure would hate to mess up the perfect way the 25-06 shoots now. Killed a Lope last year in WY at 325 yds. Was using Winc. Ballastic tip in ll5 grs. Held on Lopes back line, bullet entered about 4" below line of sight near shoulder. Down he went. And, as you state, this gives me another excuse to buy a haul around gun. Never too many. Don;t want all the guns, just l of each of the one's I like.Have wondered if any other guns nuts as crazy about firearms as I? I am disabled/handicapped for past 17 years, and guns and hunting out West keeps me going from year to year.I live, eat, dream about hunting. After near death l7 yrs back, its good to have something to fall back on and keep me occupied. My only problem now is not enough spare change to hunt all the places i would like to. But, doubt I;m alone in that department. Doubt a day goes by that I don't read hunting stores or firearms. Do that till night, then on this Puter talking to you guys. I do appreciate all the information posted by you guys, and the help given to a old man of 72. I;m like a child at Christmas about guns, I want so many, don;t know which I want first. Been asked many times why so many firearms, my answer is, why do you want more cloths, etc. Shoot often and straight. Pratice does pay off, or at least does for me. I got to have one shot kills, as I cannot track a wounded animal. So the first shot must put him down, and that comes from good equiptment, correct ammo, and PRATICE. Have a good night/day. The old Gunslinger from down South PS; My Rocky Mtn hunting guns are the Rem's 700's in 30-06 and 700's 25-06, along with best ammo I can find. Plus do carry a 357 mag just in case need a side arm. If I got my pants on, I got a firearm. Here at home it's Kel-tec. 380. Out west a 357 till I find a 45 or 44 I can hold in my smnall skinny hands.At 124 lbs, can;t handle a heavy recoil firearm. In my 06, have 2 lbs of lead in the butt of a Walnut stocked 700 CDL.What a difference that made in my ability to shot. Wt at shoulder, rather in forearm. Total wt of both the 06 and 25-06, scoped, loaded,sling is near l0 lbs.No felt recoil to speak of period. Ok enough about me/and my guns. Good-night.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Rocky Mtn Hunter, Don’t touch that 25-06! Besides sounds like a good excuse to me for another rifle!

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from Erock wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

I'm a relative newcomer to firearms. My Savage Model 110 in .30-06 averages about an inch-and-a-quarter groups with most rounds I've fed it (mainly Remington 150gr Scirocco's and Accelerators). Frankly, I always attributed this to be more due to the limits of my ability than the rifle/load.When I decided to test out a load for black bear, I tried the Federal 180gr load of the Triple-Shock X. Lo and behold, my groups with this load average between a nickel and a quarter. Not only was I happy with the performance of this load, it gave me a big boost of confidence in my shooting skills.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Clay, the way this 25-06 shoots, I would be afraid to change anything.It is the perfect long-range , out west firearm for W-tails, Lopes and mulies. It is glass bedded I hate to screw around with a bbl change, as could not get the Walnut Stock back in correct position. I'd rather buy a new gun than switch.AH, just gives me another excuse to buy another firearm. Never too many.DICKIE::::Went to my gun dealer today and saw A EAA. If no name appeared on the weapon, would swear was a Colt. Guy did not have a 45 LC in stock, had a 357 mag ( I got 3 or 4 of 357's). The handgun is well built in Germany and has the 3 Screws and a 3 position hammer. Best of all, the price is l/2 the price of a Uberti. At my age of 72, I kinda figure the EAA will outlast me. Not planning to sell, just want one as a side firearm for the Rockies. Here at home I carry a 380 Kel-tec. (Yes, do have a conceal Carry permit). As most know by now,I;m a true GUN NUT. Dont' want all the firearms, just l of each of the one's I like and would enjoy. Now major decision,do I buy a 4 3/4" bbl or a 7 l/2". kinda favor the 7 l/2 better for hunting, but the 4 3/4 would carry much easier in a shoulder holster. Need to buy soon, as Season opens where I hunt in the Rockies on 10-21-07, and here on Nov.l8-07 Need to pratice a lot, as never shot a handgun at live animals before.Much pratice needed. Then I go to East Virginia on Dec. 5th for a 7 day hunt with Shotguns and dogs. What a change in hunting. Use Buck shot on stand hunting where dogs running and hunters placed about 400 yds apart. and a slug gun for early/late still hunting. Man,what a difference the 3 hunts will be. Short shots here, long out west and real close in Va. O well, just hope my health holds out for this season, lot on agenda at this point. But when comes to hunting, I AM A NUT also. Again, thank you guys for your advice. Good hunting; Shoot often and straight. Hey;Ammo has increased in cost,some stores as much as 25%. Got to check my inventory and see how my supply adds up.

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from Dickie wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Rocky Mtn Hunter: Sorry, buddy, can't help you with the EAA Bounty Hunter. No experience and haven't read anything about them lately. What you might want to do is talk to a good gunsmith. What they haven't worked on they've heard about from other smiths. Call the guys at Cylinder & Slide or Hamilton Bowen's outfit or one of the 'smiths that work on Colt clones and ask them - they've worked on em all.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Rocky Mtn HunterWhy buy another rifle? Take your 25-06 and get a synthetic stock for it. That would be my first choice

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

I'm in the market for a haul-around rifle for my 4 wheeler and pickup that I wan;t die if gets scratched up a tad. Therefor, looking for a not to expensive rifle.Been bugging the catalog/hunting books and 2 firearms fit my billfold. One is the new Remington Model 715 with Matt bbl and Blk Syn stock and a det. magazine, available in 243 up thru 300 winchester. The 2nd is a Stevens by Savage, grey stock, blue bbl, top loading no det. mag or floor plate also available from 243 thru 300 winchester. Price of either not 25$ difference. I feel the Stevens is the old Savage ll0 returned in syn stock and grey stock. The Remington is a up-grade Model 710 that has been discontinued. Any you guys seen or shot either of these firearms? if so what is your opinion? Either one will be used for w-ail hunting here on my farm in the south. Shoots never in excess of 200 yds.Calibers interested in are the 243 or 270. Got many 25-06's, 30-30's and o6's in Walnut, just want a cheap but accurate haul around firearm. Apreciate any replies.PS; Never hunted with either of these calibers, kinda looking at the 270, however the 243 could get my wife into shooting as she always goes with me out West. Being disabled/handicapped I must have a partner along for many reasons. She;s a great Bird-dog, a great spotter of game.She really knows how to use Bincs and rangefinders.. Kinda believe she can smell game much further away than my not so good eyesight can see. Be glad when our weather cools and season opens out in the Rockies. Rifles all checked for sight-in and ready for shipment. If you never hunted the Rockies, by all means make arrangements and go. Do not do as I did, wait too late to start going. Need to be in good shape and able to shoot at least 300 yds. O to hear that Bull Elk bugle again, just hope/pray still able to go again. The way I have to go/fly out/stay in motel/guide/hunt private property it;s costly, but a guy in good shape with some camping equiptment can go far less than I. (A do it your self type hunt on BLM land) Your greatest expense is the licenses. Try to get another hunter to go along, share expenses, plus, keep the bears at bay. Hey, are you packed yet?Shoot often and straight, Pratice till your arm is sore

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Dickie: Wsbugging my catalogs today and found a gun by EAA-called the Bounty Hunter. Looks like a Colt, built in Germany. Do you know anything about this fireat. Its much cheapr than teh Uberti? Now quality not sure. Any info will be appreciated. Click on to www. EAACORP.COM to view the Bounty Hunter.retail is 399.00, but can buy about 20% less.Its available in 357 mag, 44 mag, and 45 LC.Please read the information about teh gun that appears on teh screen. I like the Blue or case harden with blue bbl and cyl. Thans for any advice,Gunslinger

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Thanks for the info Dickie. Will try your suggestion. Soon gonna be early hunting, wish was in AM. However,rather the weather cool down a tad. Very dry/hot in my down south area, need some rain as well as others. Never tried my 357 mag on a W-tail, kinda figured was a tad on small side, but might be ok at 25 yds. On the Ruger I do like the rear adjustable sight. At my age , maybe I should re-consider the Ruger Blackhawk. It does not have the Western look-feel I wanted in a side arm, but not buying one for looks, want to try on a W-tail. too bad when we get old, our eyes go bad as well as other body parts??????, Thanks again, Shoot straight,often. The old Gunslinger

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from Dickie wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Rocky Mountain Hunter: Re your Uberti SA .45 Colt - go to the Cylinder & Slide web site (www.cylinder-slide.com), click on "Technical Info" and then on "Action Jobs for the Italian made Colt Clones" for some good info on why they charge more for an action job on these guns than for Rugers and Colts. I learn something new every day. Actually, the Italians (Uberti/Benelli) make pretty damn good guns for the $$$. Compared to a Colt, they're damn good value. Just don't try and load them (or the Colt's) "hot" like you can the Rugers. I'd stay strictly with factory loads. And for my old eyes, the Ruger's adjustable sights are a must. Don't think they're available on the Ubertis. Good luck on your handgun whitetail.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Thanks Mark will try. AS for this B/P rifle.Would not ask for a better gun for the first shot, but to re-load is a Pain in the A--.AS for cleaning, I use Rem Oil mostly, but on the B/P stuff I been using Rusty Duck. Cleans well, but still, after that first shot, the residue is still there. In a rush to re-load, I don;t want to have to swab the bbl. I;ve had W-tails go down on first shot, and then in 5-10 seconds, get up. If you not ready for that 2nd shot, he's gone. I like the in-lines, but may go back to my T/C HAwken or Renegade 50 and 54 cal. sidelock. I changed the nipples to take the musket caps and both shoot well using the cronical pre-lubs. My biggest problem with them is not scoped. At my age of 72, eyes a tad blurred and need the scoped on-line. Suppose I need to trade, or buy a break action type and use the Sabots, and not the Powerbuilt. The Powerbelts suppose to eliminate the problem I have, as it fits tighter in the bbl than a plastic sabot and suppose to prevent blow back on the powder/pellets. I never used just the Pyrodex powder, only the pellets, suppose I need to try the powder once and see what that does. Thanks again for your suggestions. Good hunting. Shoot often and straight.The old Gunslinger

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

B/P: Sounds like you get a fouling ring rather quickly. I don't use in line muzzle loaders,. I'm traditional using civilwar era rifles and then Hawkins.I would suggest Bore-Butter to cure your barrel and then clean fouling with only WD-40. If it doesn't work, see a north/south skirmisher for advice. Those guys are very keen target shots and shoot a bunch in an afternoon. They have knowledge.There's a NSSA Website.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Ryan: The Rem Core Locks do well. I;ve usd them her in the south for years in a 06 using l50 grs bullets. Now for outwest, long range hunting, go with a bonded bullet in l80 grs such as the Rem Scirocco's. LAst year I killed a dandy 4 x 4 at 345 yds with the Scirocco. On lopes and w-tails out west i use a 25-06 loaded with Winchester Ballastic ll5 gr. It is a fine bullet for that game and distance , my shot was 325 yds on the Lope. Both animals werer one shot kills. I would bet, that more Core-lokts are used yearly than any other ammo.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Thanks Dickie for the reply. I appreciate your taking time to answer. I also think Ruger builds a better firearm. The Vanquero is the type Western side arm I want, but they are now made of Alloy Metal. I prefer the pure steel. May be me, but it's kinda line Plastic verses Iron to my thinking. But again, suppose all depends on amount of shooting you plan to do.At 72 yrs old, little hunting left for me, but I would like to kill a W-tail with a handgun. Saw the Uberti at Bass Pro and do like its looks and style. Sometimes they run a special price on the Uberti. I'm going to Montana for Elk/Deer/Coyotes and in area I hunt, do have bears. The 44 mag would be better, but I;m a small frame guy, very small hands and wt is l24 lbs, there-fore the 44 mag by Ruger a little on heavy side for me. Prior to my near death experince some yrs back I weighed l80 and could shoot any weapon made. I now use a Rem CDL in 30-06. Added Steel shot to the wood stock and with mounted scope and magazine full, wt is about 9 l/2 lbs. I can handle it fine using l80 gr Scirocco's. The added wt at butt end, really made the gun shootable for me. Thanks again will decide shortly on what I decide to purchase.The Old Gunslinger down south

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from Dickie wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Rocky Mountain Hunter: Am absolutely no help with your B/P question, but may be of some help with your Italian-made .45 Colt. I have heard the Uberti's are decent guns; not the quality or strength of the Ruger Single Actions, but not bad for the $$$. I own Ruger Blackhawk SA's in .45 Colt, .44 Mag, .41 Mag & .22 and don't think you can beat em for the $$$. If you want he authentic "cowboy" look and feel, try the Ruger Vaquero in .45 Colt. Probably more $$$ than the Uberti, but you get what you pay for - and it'll hold it's value. Good Luck.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Hey you guys: No repies on my B/P question.No B/P hunters on this Blog? Also, long ago I had a question about handguns. I ask if any of you had tried the A. Uberti 45 Cal Revolver in 4 3/4' bbl.( Co. owned by Benelli, imported from Italy) I want a Western look/feel handgun as a side arm, rather than my 357 mag. Just want to be a Cowboy i suppose, but the Western feel has been my desire for past several years. Just might get a shot at a W-tail here in the south, some nice deer appraoch my ground blind at about 20-30 yds. I realize the 44 mag a better caliber, but I can;t handle the Ruger 44. You experts help this old guy out, PLEASE>.If failed to recall my B/P quetion was about the Powerebelts leaving residue in lower chamber after one shot. Impossible to seat the 2nd shot as low as the first, using 3-Pyrodex 50 gs . Maybe a Sabot by another Co is better. Appears all the powder is not burning with the first shot???.Wrote CVA, guy suggested I swab the bbl between shots????? kinda stupid answer for hunting , would be bad enough for bench shooting.For years used Hornady Chronicals lubed with 100 grs Pyrodex powder in a side lock, no problem on 2nd or 20th shot,I cleaned bbl etc after season over. Waiting for you suggestions.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Use the core locks for short range hunting, but when I go to the Rockies, I want a better designed bullet. I use the Remington l80 gr. Boatail Scirocco swift for long range hunting. Being disabled/handicaped, 99% of my shots are in excess of 200 yds. The Scirocco appears to fly flatter and straighter with much less drop than the figures state.Over my hunting years I;ve used the rem Core-Lokt by far more to much success.BAck about l990,Remington came out with a extended range l65 gr. Boattail for the 06.Why they dropped it will never know,was a great bullet. The new swift Scirocco l80 is much like that extended range. I tried many brands of ammo over the years, but the above appear to work best for me. For out west, hunting Mulies, W-tails, Lopes, Coyotes with my 25-06, 700 ;I use Winchester Ballastic tips ll5.Man at 300 yds it tears up a Lope. But do not like the Ballastic tip for Elk. With my health problems, I strive for a one shot kill as I;m unable to track a wounded animal. I want to see that animal fall at the shot. Back to a earlier statement I made.I do believe a firearm gets SPOILED to a certain bullet and load, and if it performs satisfactory use it. Again, never, Never cut the bbl off any firearm unless you plan to ruin it. When you loose some of the rifling at the tip end, you change the entire performance of the line the bullet will take. QUESTION PLEASE> I use Powerbuilt Sabots in my Bolt-in-line with 3 50 gr Pyrodex. After the first shot, there is a glob of residue left down low and makes it impossibe to seat the 2nd bullet (unlesswith a swabbing) as low as the first round in a clean bbl. Any suggestions? One guy told me to stop using the Powerbuilt and just use a jacket Sabot????? or a Hornaday lead Pre-lube Cronical 350 gr.. My B/P shots are for l50 yds down to 50 or so. i want to go to the Rockies for the Rut hunt on Elk with a B/P and need a load that will reach the magic distance of 200 yds>. You guys give me some advice, please??? These so-called gun-writers are full of it, if you know what I mean by IT. They gonna praise what-ever Company is footing the bill for a story and future sales. Am sure can get lots of No's but a plain Jane Rossie B/P 24" bbl break-Action does a great job, better than my CVA Bolt action 50 cal scoped with extended eye relief scope for B/P.Some of the high $ B/P firearms, swing down, or break action, or swivel over hammer or etc. say theirs is best?????? Thanks for all advise.the old Gunslinger. My letter is long and many questions, be patient with this old guy who is on his last round-ups. At72, few trips West left,in fact the Dr;s say no more now.I would like to get a Elk with B/P before my time is over.Will hunt Colorado and Montana for Elk and WY again for Lopes and Elk. A wishful hunt I suppose.But not impossible with conditions just right. Have a great guide in both states.

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from Montana Winchester wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

My Winchester .338 with 210 Barnes XXX and a max charge of RL-19 shooting off of sandbags will print groups under an inch all day long. At 400 yards its less than 5 inches. Where I hunt either you can shoot at 400 or you let half the elk walk by. As for game performance I saw two elk shot this year. One by me at a little over 250. He fell like a rock to the first shot. The bullet penetrated all the way though and if he had any lungs before I shot him I'll never know. The other was shot by a 7mm WSM at 400 with a 140 XXX the bull was quartering away. The bull took two steps and toppled over. The bullet was recovered just inside the skin on the off shoulder and weighed 139.2 grains and measured .62 inhes. You cant ask for much more from a hunting bullet.

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from Ryan S. wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

10-4. Thanks everyone.

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from Phillip wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

"How do ballistic tips work for hogs?"They explode and make sausage, blended with tiny pieces of copper and lead.After three hogs and two deer with the Ballistic Tips, I swore them off and will never touch them again. They kill. Stone dead. But it's like shooting game with a grenade. Even with a good neck shot on a big hog, I lost a big chunk of shoulder meat. A bad hit on a blacktail cost me a whole side of ribs and half the backstraps.I've been told they work better, with less meat damage, at longer ranges (outside 100 yards), but I can't seem to get the critters to agree to walk off the extra range for me.Even out here in the "wild west" where apparently everyone believes the only shots you'll ever take are 300+, almost every big game animal I've shot has been inside 100.By the way, in CA it won't be much longer before the majority of our hunting is with unleaded ammo anyway. Right now Barnes is the only option there, although I'm hoping to see great things from Winchester/Nosler's upcoming offering, the eTipt.Meanwhile, if your rifle likes the Core-lokt, then shoot them and don't buy into the hype. Dead is dead, and the marginal improvement in field performance may not be worth the extra $25-$30 a box.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Ryan SYour answer is easy.Your experiencing, poor bullet placement. It sounds that your taking lung shots instead of shoulder shots. Need to blow that shoulder out. That 7mm-08 with a 140 any point on Florida deer will do the trick. If not, get a Laws Rocket!It’s not the Arrow, It’s the Indian!

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from Ryan S. wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Interesting. I'll wait for a few more responses, but David Petzal himself recommended Winchester Ballistic Silvertips in 7mm-08 in Field and Stream mag a few months back. I'm not sure if it was for hunting purposes or grouping. I could care less if I group 3 inches or 0.5 as long as the bullet performs well for my size game. Maybe the lower amount of powder in 7mm-08 and slower impact velocities need some assistance with bullet opening. Now I have to decide if I'm going for the old trusy rusty green and yellow box or maybe being one of the "cool kids" and trying some Win. Silvertips or Federal BTs or ABs. I shoot factory ammo as you can see. Maybe I should just shoot core-lokt until for some miracle, a 110 pound swamp buck decides that the bullet didn't form a perfect mushroom and allowed 3% more energy deposit and fragmented a tad earlier than he likes and prances away. On the other hand, don't let people fool you about southern deer. There are some 200 pound monsters lurking way back in the thick stuff that people never see and die of old age. I'd try cheap federal fusion, but it seems like the boattail design lends itself better to long range aerodynamics and would possibly cause a core separation under extreme velocities at close range. How do ballistic tips work for hogs? A 200 pound hog is not uncommon down here.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

I hunt down south which means mostly under 50 yard shots Ryan. Ballistic Tips just seem to drop deer in their tracks. Don't know why and don't care. For small deer like we hunt, you want maximum expansion not a bullet that has "integrity". When you go after an elk get you some .338 XXX's.

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from Ryan S. wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Somewhat new to big game hunting. Somebody tell me why a 140 grain (not cool looking at all and boring) remington core lokt soft point won't kill a deer as well as a barnes or a nosler. I'm shooting a Browning A-Bolt 7mm-08. I was interested in Accubonds or Ballistic Tips for the small deer I hunt here in North Florida (Soon moving to Louisiana), but I am concerned that in my heavy cover environments a 50-100 yard shot with an accubond may blow up on the shoulder or ruin meat. Is this concern or comments mostly from people shooting high velocity magnums? My velocity at the barrel is 2860. On the other hand, it is difficult to track deer in swamps with 5 feet of visibility so quick kills are also important. I'm lost. Any advice? Sorry for all the questions.

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

I'm sorry Mike, I didn't mean to leave you out, I really enjoy your writings also. Keep up the good work..

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Some people need to read after some of the older writers like O'Connor, Dunlap, Kerr or Cooper...If you are into Bows try some of Fred Bears books.

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Why would anyone want the bullet to pass through? Remember when we would search the carcus for the bullet to see the expansion ....

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

To: Kentucky hareraiser, I also use the Rem 700 in .308 here in Eastern Ky. and have very good luck with Horn. or Sa. 150 gr. Sp.. I don't think going to the XXX would be worth the switch as most of my deer are taken at less than 70 yds.

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Hey Guys, what about the old theory:(A good hunting bullet should expand twice it's size, Retain all it's original weight, BUT not exit the animal) theory all the older writers used to write about....

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

David Petzals next stop, AFRICA!I believe Barnes Bullet folks should send David with his 338 RUM all expenses and mounting paid on a Cape Buffalo hunt and report back to us, just how the Barnes bullet really worked.What say you Barnes?

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from Eric wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Just a coment on the notion that TSXs are longer than other bullets of the same weight and caliber: A lot of them are the same length as its competitor. And while some are longer, who cares? They load just fine and at reduced pressures and kick ass velocity. No better bullet on the market.

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from CoRoMo wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

LISTON BARBERI agree with the later guy, the .243 has taken a respectable number of elk.The old cliche, "It's all about shot placement".I killed my first elk with one shot from a 30-30. Another elk got away after getting shot with the same model '94, so I switched to a .270. They've all died quickly since. Going for a bull elk during my first black powder hunt ever next month, and will cow hunt with the 'ol .270 again in October. Opening day for elk is tomorrow morning, here in Colorado.Get ye some!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Yet another super accurate ADL 700 story. No wonder I think they're prettier than those old Model 70's. Get ye some!

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from DW Griffin wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

This is a simple matter of fluid physics. Long skinny things go through fluids (and air qualifies) with less turbulence than short fat things. The XXX is all copper and thus is long for the weight and caliber. Hence, it travels through the atmosphere easier and more accurately.I would like to know the size of a group through the same rifle using Barnes MRX bullets. With the tungsten insert, they are not so long for the caliber as the XXX and I'll bet the accuracy suffers a bit.

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from kentucky hareraiser wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

i shoot a rem.7oo adl. 308 cal,and i reload my own shells.i have cheapoi;s i plink with. now when deer season draws near ,i fire a few rounds of my reloaded xxx super shock down the barrel to see if i'm still on target. at 200 yards i can almost i meam reallyclose almost hit the same hole.now that the pattern srorey is over,i'll tell you about the buck i got on opening day last year. i shot him from 186 yards,and i sware the deer did'nt even move,kinda looked my way after he heard the sound i guess,and i freaked,i said oh hell'''''' i missed him,so i bolted another round and aimed for the ole boiler room again and let drive,,,,,,,,,still did't move,,how ever this time i saw his hips wobblin' and he started goin' down. he had 2 does with him .and he went down so peacefully they layed with him,,,did.t even know he was dead''''the buck scored 149.6 /w 20 " spread. the buck ,i believe had internal vital shock syndrome because he stood there until all his air escaped his lungs because both shots were,thru excitement and all were 2" pass thru shots. i've already got the hunting rounds of xxx super shock waitin'for the season to start. GET YE' SOME

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

If it wasn’t for the complete pass thru at the speed of an exiting full metal jacket, I just might try Barnes XXX. I can just listen to the ricochet now, to far away distance! I hope it didn’t hit anyone? Scary!

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from Shooter wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Rocky Mtn HunterThat Turk Mouser, perhaps the crown was cut wrong. Happens sometimes with us competition shooter. Ding one and see what happens? Cutting the barrel off? Not good.Remington’s new Model 988 in 25-06 has a 22 inch barrel. Stupid goober smootchers!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

If i could recall any of my 72 years it would be to back in the 60's and go west and buy a Ranch with lots of game. I love hunting in the Rockies but at todays cost, it takes a bundle to go out for a 10-14 day hunt. With the ample game available in the Rocky Mountains, most any 2 firearms will work find. I use the 25-06 and 30-06 for all my hunting out there. Never tried the Griz don;t plan to, but the 06 will handle anything I plan to hunt. As i;ve stated in this colum many times, just to be out in the great outdoors in the Rockies is ample for me, a kill is a Bonus. Ammo, to each his own. Some guns will work better on certain ammo than others. I just Stick with one brand and hunt all I can. As for taking inches off a bbl. great mistake. I bought a Turk Mauser, sporterized it, cut bbl back from 29" to 24". You could not hit a 12 " x l2" target at 50 yds. Found a guy who loved mauser actions and traded it to him. Never cut the bbl off any gun, unless a skatter gun and I mean skatter all over the place.Also, for me, a 24" bbl is a must forlong range hunting. The range on a 24" compared to a 22" is hard for me to believe. I have both lengths in 06 and when know gonna be hunting long range the 24: goes. I use the 22' for 200 yds or less. Any you guys tried the new pointed 30-30 ammo yet? if so what do you think?

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

LISTON BARBERA few Elk have been taken with this round. Do not underestimate the 243!

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from LISTON BARBER wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I HAVE A .243 AND USE IT ON NOTHING LARGER THAN DEER OR PIGS. IN THIS OR A 6MM, A CORLOCKT,PARTITION, OR FUSION BULLETS ARE AS STRONG AS YOU NEED; ALTHOUGH ON TOUGHER GAME IN FASTER GUNS I KNOW THIS ISN'T THE CASE

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

DaveHave you ever considered in taking up long range silhouette shooting?

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from Ernie wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I just bought a remington 788 in .308 with 18 inch barrel and was testing to see what it liked. It didn't like the Barnes 130 grain bullets. It grouped a well distributed 3 inches. It did like two different types of 165 grain bullets grouping 1 inch and 1.25 inches. I will try it next with Triple shock 165s to see if its the weight vs bullet composition. Whatever works will be tried on Red Deer in Germany next month.

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from Zermoid wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

And BTW, I got some really weird looks from people going groundhog hunting with that 30-30 Winchester!And amazed looks after bowling one over at 100+ yards!

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from Zermoid wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

And to Rocky Mtn Hunter,Core-loks are good and inexpensive ammo, had a Winchester 94 that loved them, shot Remington 150 gr Core-lok factory ammo better than any load I could come up with, with one exception, 110 gr Speer HP and SP bullets, I forget the powder charge but the holes usually touched at 100 yds. Factory Remingtons were under an inch, and everything else was lucky to see under 2, alot was in the 3-6 range. Rifles are really fickle at times aren't they?

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from Zermoid wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Why bother cutting a barrel back just 2 and a half inches???? Unless the muzzle was worn from improper cleaning or something similar? Last time I felt the need to shorten a barrel it was a 96 Swedish Mauser, with a worn muzzle. (Rifling was almost non existent!) And about 7-8 inches were docked off that puppy, and the barrel is still longer than any other rifle I own. Which aren't many! Gave it a nice recessed target crown, still no tack driver but shoots about an inch group at 100 yds shooting hand held off a old picnic table.Yup, that's at our fancy local shooting range, always the best equipment! ;~)

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from Michael wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Sub-MOA results in a 1970's stock Browning B-78 .30-06 (similar to a Model 1885), and, surprise, an old Remington 760 rebarreled in .35 Whelen. You have to work with seating depth, though. Sometimes shoots better groups when set back further from the rifling than the recommended start point. Have to admit that finding the sweet spot cost a bit in ammo, but it was worth it.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Nevere used teh xxx's so cannot discuss. I'm 72 ys old and until about 10 yrs ago,used only Core-lokts. Three yrs ago, I bought 2 new rifles, a 700 25-06 and a 700 CDl in 30-06. I was told by a expert to use for pratice and to break in the guns to use the same ammo I planned to hunt with. O for the 25-06 which was for Lopes and w-tails in the Rockies, I bought and zeroed @200 yds the Winchester Ballastic tips in ll5 gr. For the 30-06 I used and zeroed @200 yds the Rem Scirocco in l80 grs. Both of these bullets have performed to my expectations and has only taken one shot to kill Mulies, W-tails and Lopes. My First large game animal was a 6 x 6 elk and back then Remington made the Extended Range l65 gr bullet. I took my Elk, one shot at 235 yrs. I have fe opportnitiess to hunt teh Rockies and when I spend teh $$$$ required for a 2-3 week hunt there I want the best ammo $$$ can buy. Why use a dime store bullet when you may get only one shot and have sent a ton on that hunt. I contend, buy and use the best Ammo ther is for your weapon. Pratice with that ammo till you can cover 3 holes at 200 yds with a Silver Dollar, then go hunting. Also, by all means, invest a small amount in a good rangefinder so you know your range. The Rockies will fool you in distance. What looks like l50 yds may be 300 or more. Once a rifle in BROKEN in with a certain Brand , type, size , etc, use it. You recall years ago, when we were told to use break-in-oil in our new car that we planned to use as long as we kept the car. I feel that way about ammo. I'm no expert on any subject, just know what works for me, so why change. I do know some firearms will pattern some ammo better than others, but to me thats because, so many different brands have been run thu it. To be honest, I would bet that more large game has been taken with the plain Jane Core-lokt than all the other ammo combined,. Now you experts tell me I;m wropng. Good hunting, and shoot straight.

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from Jim Adams wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Barnes Triple X are not for use at speeds over 3400fps as in 30-378@ 3450 w/165gr bullets. Shot an Elk three times at 385yds each shot hitting behind the shoulder and the petals sheared off the bullets leaving a .30 cal slug to poke a clean hole thru the chest. A shot in the neck finally did the trick. I talked to Ty Herring regarding the problen and he recommended a heavier bullet or one of their new offerings. We're using the rest of the box in a 308 for coyotes. Jim Adams

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Maybe He might be the next Jed Clampet! Hollywood DAVE!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Maybe He might be the Jed Clampet!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Hey Dave!I wonder if there is a requirement before firing that canon, you must have the Gas and Electric Companies come out and survey the area for buried utilities

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Dave-Wow-Big cannon for sure! Was the blast out of control, and did you measure the velocity?

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from REVOLUTIONARY KOMRADE JXMMY ABRAXIS wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Using a Barnes bullet reminds of a hunter shooting a 375 H&H and wounding a nice Bull Caribou. Funny thing, he also knocked down three cows to with same one shot!

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from SD Bob wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Hey Mr. Petzal....Next time post a topic that encourages participation!

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from Ed J wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

It works good on praire dogs. When they just stick their head out aim a couple inches low. It blows them right out of the hole.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Hey Dave!What are you going to shoot with that cannon .338 Remington Ultra Mag !

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from Karl Katzenjammer wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

OK,with the upcomming election,someone with the time needs to make good use of this domain name(s)!www.Democrathillary.comwww.democrathillary.infoI bought the domain names with the intent to make a nice anti- Hillary Clinton website. and I just haven't had time to do anything with it.I'm hoping one of the board viewers has the time to put together a website that can help her NOT get elected and expose how bad she would be for this country.Trade for? almost anything..........P38 / Luger /Beretta /Browning / FN / Kahr /Colt / pistols / shotguns / Coin(s) / Rifles / car / truck or just about anything ??Make me a fair offer for 1 or both domains,They need to get USEDI've got some money into the purchase of the domains, so I cannot give it away.Make an offer,or better yet, make me an offer & let me know your plan for the domain(s)(a good idea for the domain name is worthy of me giving you a discount also!)Let me know,by email or phoneTHANKS!! DAVE763-442-6541Dave@dkmags.com

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Good one Mr. ishawooa and Mr. B!In the past, I have witnessed to many individuals obtaining both ill advised and equipment that they were totally unfamiliar with. When it came time to pull the trigger they were totally lost! In other words it was like taking someone that never drove an 18-wheeler, tossing them the keys and telling them to go for it. You got to be proficient with the equipment that fits you, PERIOD! Using a big magnum or to small of a rifle to some is like putting on a coat that size 4x-large or extra small and you weigh only 175 pounds.

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from mr.b wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Answer to up close Grizz question; alot!

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I find the hunting experiences very interesting but remembering back over the last 30 years or so I believe I have duplicated many of those sceanarios utilizing Sierra GameKings in .308 or .284 in various sized cases. Go figure. The problem I see with Berger VLDs in a magazine rifle is having to seat the bullets deeper than I would prefer but then Berger warned me.Insofar as meeting the grizzley face to face I would use my elk load as that is what I would be hunting at the time of the encounter. Never had to pull the trigger yet but those who have and connected lived to tell the tale regardless of bullet choice. Did anyone mention Sciroccos? Expensive but effective.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I went to Barnes web site to find their Optimum Usage and Performance Criteria. HUMMM! Not there. The search for Waldo is on!

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from Eric wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

My experience with the Triple X has been the same - tight groups....really tight groups. I have loaded the 180 in my 300 Wby and killed Elk, Mule Deer and two antelope within 10 days of each other and with one shot each. The bull elk was shot at 362 yards, took a sstep and died. For any doubter that a heavy Barnes T shock will open on small game, both antelopes were very dead and dropped to the shot. Also GREAT stuff with same bullet in 257 wby, 270 Win and 300 Win (factory ammo). I will using this bullet for a long time.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

In a face to face encounter with a Grizz, close up and personal, able to smell and taste it’s steaming breath, what brand of bullet and type would you want to have?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Opening day of Muzzle loader season 2001, a black bear came running by me at 50 yards and my 50x209 TC loaded with 150 grains of 777 and a saboted Hornady .429 265 grain soft point instantly dropped it dead in it’s run.Barnes needs to do more than just show ballistic jello shots to impress me and the rest of you range monkeys get swooned by all this gee wiz stuff. That Berger video is down right awesome, but I’ll stick to what I do know that really works! Dead is dead and once again it’s Indian, not the arrow. Got that range monkeys!All of this reminds me of a Scuba Diver that went on a diving trip with all the latest electronic gadgetry, paid all that money and upon his first dive his diving computer went out. He canceled the rest of the trip and filed a lawsuit against the manufacturer to recoup what he paid for his diving trip that was ruined by the loss of use. The Diver is suppose to be a certified diver and should know how to operate manual equipment. Sounds familiar?I’m surprised that Barnes didn’t give Dave a case of 338 RUM and pay to send him on a real hunt and to do some real testing and to play around with there product.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Opening day of Muzzle loader season, I shot a big Bkack Bear running past me at 50 yards with my 50x209 TC with 150 grains of 777 behind a Hornady .429 265 grain soft point diameter (order #4300)

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from Melvin Hamby wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Ihave one kill with the triple x, 180, 300wsm. 94 yards it dropped a buck stone dead. The shot was directly in the shoulder from an elevated tree stand. It shattered the shoulder bone, tore up the lung and heart but no exit wound. I looked and looked for that bullet but could not find it. It grouped the best of any load in my model 70. I was bear hunting and a buck steps out.

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from Mountainman wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

gunbroker allows thiefs to sell Gun Parts.....Dana Reed uses gunbroker......and gunbroker refuses to Ban him......they see nothing wrong with him.....as long as he PAYS Gunbroker to list his Items.In my Book...... that makes GunBroker a Dana "Business Associate".....

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from Gerard Raphael wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago
from ishawooa wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I keep forgeting to mention that those of us with .338 Remington Ultra Mags refer to them as .338 RUMs not .333 RUMs as Dave pointed out. I am confident that this was a slip of the typing fingers and not a throwback to the Elmer Keith days. By the way the 24 inch barrel on my custom version functions just as well as a longer barrel. Loud yes but then to me all rifles are loud and that is why I use hearing protection 99% of the time. So should you and you won't go around saying HUH? like me...

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from Michael wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Did I tell you all I'm going Bear hunting next week. Is this week over YET!!

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Ultimately some bullets will shot well in some rifles some of the time. It is up to the shooter/reloader to determine which is the best choice while still keeping in mind the need for adequate hunting bullet performance at varied distances and environmental circumstances. I suppose we could say that most animals are killed with average old "el cheapo" bullets but that still does not make them the best all of the time. Remember that the only actual contact between you and your prey is the bullet, everything else merely makes that end result happen. Each to his own.

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Boy there's a lot of vitriol toward the Gun Nut today! Geez, you'd think he mentioned ARs or something...You know, I noticed on one of the j-job boards a few days back that F&S is looking for a new associate editor (for those who may be impressed by such lofty titles here's the succinct job description for an AE: "Get my coffee, beotch! Now go back to your corner"). So if it bothers you so much you could always try the "change from the inside" approach. All it takes is a modicum of talent and a healthy dose of chutzpah...

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Dave,Thanks for letting us all know you’re the ultimate resource on anything you write about. Too bad all of those other gun writers with their worthless experiences are going to be out of a job.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

My Nosler Partitions out of my 45-70 perform (when I do my part) .75" groups at 100 yrds w/ my Marlin GG. They performed perfectly on my Newfie Moose. Why mess w/ a good thing. That being said, I've always wanted to try the XXX. I just havn't gotten around to buying some to reload yet. It will be Nosler Partions in my BAR .300 Win Mag. In Maine next week for Bear!!!! This week is taking FOREVER to go by!!!!!!!!!!!!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Some squirrel hunter you are!

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from JDD wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I tried the XXX ($$$) in my Remington 270. I used 110 gr (6.8 MM) and moly coated to hold down copper deposits to a minimum. I got consistent 5/8 inch groups. This is a custom shop 270 that hates Remington bullets but will shoot Ballistic tips into a 3/4 inch group all day. The reason I used 110 grain XXX bullets was to get the velocity where I feel good about bullet performance. The load I used chronographed @ 3350 for a 5 shot average. I have always viewed Barnes as a "hard bullet" that requires increased velocity to expand properly. The XXX is a good bullet and dropped a 300+ pound hog (that ran for 75 yards), however I will settle for minute of deer or pig @ 100 yards and use the $$ saved to buy a few more Buds. I quit shooting for head shots a long time ago. BTW, 500 yard shots at a white tail is like shooting a field mouse in the shoulder @ 50 yards, I don't go there.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

My friend shot a Mule deer at about 175 yards with a Berger 190 grain match VLD out of His 308 M1A and it was like a bomb going off inside!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Sam,Mr. Dave is not into long range shooting.A130 grain bullet out of a 270 Win, great for Caribou by the way, loaded at 3000 fps for a 200 zero, at 100 yards is +1.6 inches high. I would set it at 2.5. This will put you 2 inches high at 200yds and in the ball park 250yrds. This will be ideal for you 270 Win. But if you choose to go 1.6 high at 100 for a 200 zero, at 1.6 at 100 yards your bullet drop at 300 yards is –7.4”, at 400yds –21.9”, at 500yds –45.1, 600yds –78.1 and if you really get a wild hair at 1000yds –362.2”, 1119fps and 361 foot pound energy.

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from sam wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

dave,iam using a remington 270 win, using rem core lokt 130 grain bullets, where should that bullet hit at 100yds if i want it to be accurate at approx 200yds?

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Run for your lives everbody, deer are mutating into Cape buffalo!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Berger Bullets work great at extreme ranges (1000 yards)

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Thad DavidsonHere’s the link to Berger Bulletshttp://bergerbullets.com/I’ve used the Berger bullets in competition and worked great with their VLD (Very Low Drag) design giving them a higher ballistic coefficient. I visited their small plant back in 94 in Phoenix Az and I assume since then they have come a long way.Hers a blurp from there siteThe MATCH VLD bullets are proving to be the most lethal big game hunting bullet available. (Watch Demo Clip http://bergerbullets.com/video.htm ) The VLD design incorporates a sharp nose that allows the bullet to penetrate up to 3 inches before it starts to expand. This delayed expansion results in a wound channel that is deep inside the vital area of any big game. After the bullet starts to expand it will shed 80% to 90% of its weight into the surrounding tissue traveling as deep as 18 inches. This results in a massive wound cavity that creates the greatest possible amount of tissue damage and hemraging within the vital area (organs). This massive and extensive wound cavity result in the animal dropping fast. Our bullets don't poke through like an arrow but instead expend all of their energy right where it is most effective, inside the animal. Bullets that poke through so that they can cause a blood trail are designed to result in a hunter tracking a wounded animal. Using the Berger VLD will result in an animal that goes down fast so you can enjoy the results of your hunt without having to track the wounded animal after the shot. You owe it to yourself to see how accurate and deadly the Berger VLD will be on your next hunt.

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from Mikeb wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Have been using Barnes X then TSX since they've been out. Shooting a 284 Winchester, 140Gr TSX at 2900 fps in both a Ruger 77 and an Ultra Lite. Both guns shoot within moa. The Ruger magazine permits seating to 2.90 and the Ultra to 3.00 vs the norm of 2.80. Have taken whitetail, mulies, antelope, and a nice moose with a 350 Rem Mag 225gr X.Very happy with Barnes, but it's really about bullet placement and not taking questionable shots. Do that and any proper bullet will take game down quickly and humanely.

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I have had good results with Barnes X's of various types insofar as accuracy and lethality. This does sometimes come at the expense of what appears to be excessive pressure, sometimes unexpectedly. Hence I tend to stick with Noslers and Sierras with a few Hornadys thrown in on some rifles. Recently I started shooting Berger VLDs. Accuracy is astounding at long range on paper and other non-living targets (500 yards plus inclusive). Perhaps my son or I will be able to report back with a small sampling of what they will do on Wyoming elk and deer. We both failed to draw antelope AGAIN so no report pending on that species. Anyone else shoot Bergers?

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from Brian wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Aside from range competitions, how can group size possibly matter in a hunting scenario? Every hunter hopes that the very first, cold shot will do the job. The beasts in the woods just won't stand there for 6 shots no matter what the group size is! Go to the range 10 times. Keep track of the first cold shot from every group. Put them together as a group. Now, what do you see?

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from Fischerhunts wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I've been hand loading and shooting Barnes Bullets for years. X bullet, X bullet with Danzak Coating(my application), XLC, TXS, TSX with Danzak(my app), MRX and MRX with Danzak(my app). Various guns/calibers, 7-08, 7mm Mag, 300 win mag, 375 H&H, 458 win mag. TXS(D) and MRX(D) have consistantly been the most accurate. To date I have yet to recover one from a game animal(30 plus),various ranges(18 yards to 450+ yards) all were one shot kills,(when I hit the animal). I've yet to kill anything bigger than an BULL Elk with one but hope to test one on a Cape Buffalo next March. A good test would be Nilgai on the King Ranch. Maybe Barnes would sponsor a trip for their biggest fan.

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from Thad Davidson wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Folks . . .Since we're talking about bullets and accuracy and hunting effectiveness here, a question if I may:I've read recent articles in Handloader magazine and another shooting magazine proclaiming excellent accuracy potential and devastating one-shot kill results with Berger VLR or XLR bullets (I may have incorrectly stated the exact name of the bullet, but it started out life originally as a target bullet)in a variety of calibers ranging from .257 Roberts to .300 Winchester Mag. Anyone out there in have personal experience in their own rifles/shooting/hunts with Berger bullets?

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from Guess Who! wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Amen Brother Kerry Sr.I’m thinking of a short novel,“How dead is dead!”Or,“Is our deer mutating into Cape buffalo?”

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from Kerry Sr. wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

That all great for the sake of debate. I like to keep it simple and without a question. My glass beded, free floating .270 short fat with 140 Accubond's puts them all in a 1/4 inch, and will do it every time. I guess some just have to play with everything all the time, if it aint broke don't fix it...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Devil_DogInteresting that you say your Remington CDL .35 Whelen doesn't like Nosler bullets. I bought some of Nosler's Custom ammo in .35 Whelen with 225 grain partitions. They didn't shoot as well as the 225 gr. TBBC loaded by Federal, which I have hunted with for several years. Nor did they achieve the advertised 2725 fps in my rifle ( Rem 700 22 inch bbl) On the other hand, the Federal 225 gr TBBC advertised at 2600 fps averages 2623 fps 15 feet from the muzzle. The Nosler's did no better. I have never recovered a 225 gr TBBC. Always full penetration with good wound channel.My Mark V Weatherby also does not like Nosler bullets, but my Winchester .257 Roberts shoots them much better than I can!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Pastor L.Here’s your link to Barnes bullets.http://www.barnesbullets.com/A 12-gage sabot bullet, Sounds awesome!By the way, those sub MOA’s are not a fluke! Just watch your overall length, the distance from your bullet touching the lands. I would use the over all length the Barnes reloading book calls for, if not just a tad deeper. I don’t believe in seating the bullet just touching the lands gives you more accuracy theory and if it did I wouldn’t do it. In fact it’s the best way to blowup a rifle! Basically, if you seat the bullet to have a gap of .32 inch from the rifling and another load where the bullet is seated to touch the rifling. The bullet touching the rifling will be 150 fps faster due to increased pressure. With the Barnes Bullets the pressures maybe higher. Someday I will load Barnes-X bullets, but I’m completely satisfied in what I use now shooting ½ MOA and 150 to 250fps faster than factory loads.

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from Pastor L. wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Can I get then XXX bullets in 12 gauge?

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from CoRoMo wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Just began what will be a lifetime of reloading. Don't know as much as you guys, but I definitely want to try the XXX's in my .270 Ruger M77. I'm extremely impressed with its out of the box accuracy using Winchester 130 gr. power points. Once I got the Leupold 3x9 40mm zeroed in, the very first 3shot group of this rifle's life measured sub moa. Maybe just a fluke, but I want to handload to the fullest potential of this gun, and it looks like the XXX's is a good place to start.

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from Gerald Keller wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I have loaded and shot Triple Shot X's(I always call them TSX's)in 270WSM,140gr.,280 Ackley,140gr.,338-06,185 and 225gr.All shoot under an inch,the best being the 280 Ackley at around 3/8".225's from the 338-06 around 1/2".Only one used on game so far is the 280.Two complete pass throughs of both shoulders of a moose at about 110-120 yards.Moose went about three feet!First shot took top off the heart.Second.because moose didn't know it was dead yet and still took a step,broke off side leg.Similar results on Caribou,one shot.Taking the 338-06 to Newfoundland next month with the 185gr.bullets for moose and will report back then.Never tried regular X's or XLC's,but have some 160gr.X's i'm going to try in 338 Federal this year for deer and hog.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

To be fair about the Barnes BulletsMy personal opinion is giving the Barnes bullets a lot of thought; it’s too much of a bullet for my area due to the population of other Hunters, cows or both. The bullet just keeps on going!I found this blog statementBy Steve RapalyeaAugust 18th, 2007 at 7:26 pmI started using your “X” bullets circa 1995 and wish I had known about them sooner. All velocities mentioned are actual chronograph velocities at 15′. The first rifle I used them in was a Browning Stainless Stalker .270. With little effort I got 5 shot 7/8″ groups @ 3100 fps with the 130 gr. “X”. A great long range load but the deer I have killed with it were at close range and none of the bullets were recoverd. Performance was excellent.I did recover a 165 gr .308 bullet @ 2600fps. I made a bad shot hitting the buck in the left rear ball socket. The bullet went forward the full length and was recovered between hide and meat between the neck and opposite front shoulder. The buck was only about 80 yds. The cleaned bullet was still 165 grns. and measured .607.Two cow elk hit through the front shoulders circa 75 yds. with the previous load dropped at the shot. Neither bullet was recovered.This year I’m using the 7mm 140 gr. Triple Shock @ 3225 from my 7WSM. I’m expecting the same outstanding results!

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Hi Mark,I've been around, just haven't posted much. My outrage-o-meter doesn't work very well in the August heat so I've had a summer-long case of who-the-hell-cares? But dove season is just around the corner and there's nothing like the promise of a good dove shoot to stir our contrarian spirits. I expect epic arguments in the future...

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Steve RapalyeaAugust 18th, 2007 at 7:26 pmI started using your “X” bullets circa 1995 and wish I had known about them sooner. All velocities mentioned are actual chronograph velocities at 15′. The first rifle I used them in was a Browning Stainless Stalker .270. With little effort I got 5 shot 7/8″ groups @ 3100 fps with the 130 gr. “X”. A great long range load but the deer I have killed with it were at close range and none of the bullets were recoverd. Performance was excellent.I did recover a 165 gr .308 bullet @ 2600fps. I made a bad shot hitting the buck in the left rear ball socket. The bullet went forward the full length and was recovered between hide and meat between the neck and opposite front shoulder. The buck was only about 80 yds. The cleaned bullet was still 165 grns. and measured .607.Two cow elk hit through the front shoulders circa 75 yds. with the previous load dropped at the shot. Neither bullet was recovered.This year I’m using the 7mm 140 gr. Triple Shock @ 3225 from my 7WSM. I’m expecting the same outstanding results!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Have fun!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

What I have read about reloading Barnes X bullets and the problems associated with them. I’m going to step out on this one.

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from Mark wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Bullet talk always fascinates me. It’s where the butter comes to the bread in this hunting and shooting game. However, I believe the most big game field shooting I did was 13-rounds one year in the same rifle. I, of course, shot considerably more from a rest in that same year.Dave found remarkable accuracy in a new bullet and asked the Bloggers if they had the same results. 90% missed that question! I’m interested in the feedback because maybe I should modernize my hunting bullets. For 25-years I’ve used Speer and Serria’s for my big game rifles, and settled on Hornady’s for varmints. I’ve yet to find .45-cal bullets better than Hornady 500-grain solids or there 500-grain softpoints to handle these BIG New York Woodchucks and T-Rex’s. I do load Speer 350-grain bullets in .45-caliber, but haven’t used them on game yet. I have to have Faith in Speer propaganda.Sooo…..guys and gals, How about answering the Dave’s question.O, Yes. Chad Love: Good to see your prose. Where've you been? Hunting, I hope.

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from tom wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Dave,I think that ANY bullet that is in current "mass" production when hand loaded by a competent person can shoot it well with minimal effort (this is like comparing Ford to Chevy). The true test is what it does when it hits its planned mark. At magnum pressures with the right fuel and powder quantity, we can get them ALL to shoot well.Lets cut the BS……..There is a huge difference between the “off the shelf deer hunter” and people who live for ballistics and hunting. I understand that the mainstream reader at F&S (80%) is a whitetail/elk hunter who has a good gun, with a good scope and goes out and kills their game and pays their annual subscription……..The other 20% which participate in this Blog are the hand loaders and perfectionist who know how to make a bullet hit its mark and shoot sub moa.I know that you are not a BS artist, tell us about your upcoming hunts and what gun you are going to carry when it comes time to shit or get off the pot. That is what we find interesting.Sorry for the rant, I just think that the people in this Blog are on another level and we would like to learn from the real knowledge that you are capable of.I write this with all due respect to your knowledge and character.Tom

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from larry wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

HAVE NOT TRIED TRIPLE X'S/you may want to try the XLC's, my 264 win. prints best group's ever with old 3x9 leupold mod. 700 BDL of 70's vintage. I also am able to load to max. powder load with no sign af pressure problem I had with all other bullets I have used. Near one hole group and deadly on game without the usual horrendous tissue damage. Very spendy, I use only for game! By the way, this rifle has astounded many with out of box accuracy, maybe you have a reason? Has been suggested rifle barrel made on new tooling, ect.

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from dillonaero 134d wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

dave, seems everybody got off the question you asked. i shoot the XXX 150grBT in a "factory" remington 7mmSTW 88.7gr H1000 and shoot 3/4 to 1 inch 5 shoot groups at 100yds. A little more powder or a little less goes all to hell, same with my headspacing. the barnes seem to be good bullets, just have to have them RIGHT where they want to be. they are not very forgiving.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Devil_DogIf your rifle loves Hornady bullets and you not shooting Cape buffalo, I’d stick with that load. Because of the solid copper design, a tighter bore may be a problem that would result in higher pressure. I don’t know folks; Hornady and Nosler bullets always delivered clean one shot kills including my Moose (Hornady 225) and phenomenal accuracy with my Kool-Aid budget. I just like to shoot too much to switch over to $$$’s. I’m thinking hard and looking at Remington’s 264 Win Mag! A 140 Hornady SST would work great for me. Besides I’ll always have my Browning 338 Win Mag on standby!

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from Devil_Dog wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

My Remington 700 CDL in .35 Whelen doesn't like the triple shocks at all. Not only did I get poor groups, but I saw signs of excessive pressure early on while working up the load. Now to be fair, this rifle also dislikes any Nosler bullet. Hornady seems to be its one true love, and with these it is an excellent shooter. As for performance on game I can only offer my "instance of one" experience using Barnes X-bullets in out of a shotgun. At about 50-60 yards I shot a large deer through the chest, hitting a bit higher up in the lungs than I would have preferred. None the less, 75 yards later he was down and out with a 12 gauge hole in one side, and a 12 gauge hole out the other. Tissue damage indicated the bullet expanded and did its job. Conclusion; the bullet did what is was made to do, nothing more and nothing less.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

My best groups always come from Nosler Ballistic Tips. I have not tried the Barnes XXX bullet and am not sure if any factory loads are available in many calibers. Federal Premium always seems to be the most accurate factory load in my guns but my Ruger No.1 7mm Mauser only likes Norma, which are discontinued but luckily I have several hundred. Remington factory loads have never impressed me but those Win. .22 Lubalox coated ? bullets only available in boxes of fifty for around $2.50 will out shoot federal Gold Medal Match and Eley TenX in my 10/22 Deluxe Sporter with .920 etc...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

To Steve C, Posted by: Steve CMan you got us confused their brother. If the 7th 8th, 90th or 900th round would fly, explain to me how come all the rounds I’ve shot in high power competition, the fliers was all to operator error, and not the gun or ammo? Barrel or chamber warming would cause the group to wide at times. But with today’s ammunition manufacturing, they duplicate every lot practically to no noticeable degree.If the 1st, 4th, 7th 8th, 90th or 900th round would fly, I would have lost a many events!

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

"To Steve C: If a rifle shoots five different bullets of weights ranging from 225 grains to 275 grains and never breaks a minute of angle, and then, with the sixth bullet does just that, it do make one wonder, don't it?"Yep. What's causing that may depends on the seventh, eighth, ninth, or ninth bullets. Or you may open a new box of shells and find a new, tight group elsewhere on the target.It was the set-in-concrete, "can only be attributed to..." conclusion that chafes me. You sound like those guys on Myth Busters you disparage so much.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Looks like Dave Petzal is ready to drill some holes in 1 inch thick plate steal with his 338 RUM!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

If your shooting less than 1 MOA, I quess a 23.5 inch barrel, 338 RUM is great.My ears hurt just thinking about it!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Dave PetzalAre you using Walkers Game ears to protect your hearing? That shorter barrel and all that powder must really hurt the eardrums! The 24 inch barrel 300 Win Mag I had was bad enough.CENTERFIRE RIFLE VELOCITY VS. BARREL LENGTHMuzzle Velocity Range (ft./sec.) Approx. Change in Muzzle Velocity per 1" Change in Barrel Length (ft./sec.)2000-2500 102500-3000 203000-3500 303500-4000 40

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I would like to see XXX’s 130-grain bullet in 308 cal. Talk about putting your 30 cal on steroids! WOW!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

The biggest problem with hunting bullets what happens from ignition to final rest. So why are those finding me so offensive on the super magnums, here’s why? The problem is that the average shot is less than 175 yards, more likely less than 100 actually. Pushing the bullet at such a velocity, upon impact it starts to self-distruct just like a varmint bullet. I’ve witnessed this several times on Moose were hunters shooting 30-06 vs 300 Magnums. I find that at close distance using lead bullets, 30-06’s would have deeper penetration. Using the XXX’s, this will solve this problem. The only problem I do see at shooting at close range is the bullets ability to stabilize before impact. Referencing Colonel Hatchers notebook, if you took two identical 30-06 rounds loaded with a full metal jacketed bullet and fire both into oak planks, one at 50 feet and one at 200 yards. Although the round at 200 yards lost velocity, it penetrated far deeper (30+ inches) than the one at 50 feet (13 inches). 200 yards you can see the bullet path is a straight line. The round at 50 feet the bullet tumbled upon impact, just like stories of the Vietnam M16 bullet 55-grain fmj with a barrel with a 1-14 twist.I would like to see XXX’s 130 grain bullet in 308 cal. I Talk about outing your 30 cal on steroids! WOW!

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from Dave Petzal wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

To Smith Dewlen: Bushnell Elite 4200 set on 10X.To Steve C: If a rifle shoots five different bullets of weights ranging from 225 grains to 275 grains and never breaks a minute of angle, and then, with the sixth bullet does just that, it do make one wonder, don't it?To Chris: 180-grain Swift A-Frames. I hear very good things about the XXXs, but I don't have the experience on game with them that I do with the Swifts.To Clay Cooper: The average velocity loss, with bullets ranging from 225 grains to 275 grains, is 38 fps. I wouldn't care if I lost 100 fps. In the real world it's a meaningless amount. 200 fps and I start to worry. As for how XXXs perform at 400 to 600 yards, I don't know. I'm not a big fan of shooting at those distances.

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Geez, just looked on the Barnes website. Do they even make the X bullet in a 150-grain .30 caliber any more? I know those were 150 grainers in that PMC ammo. Of course, this was 1992 or thereabouts. Things change...

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Hmmm, I thought Triple-Shock alluded to the price...I have no experience with the XXX but back in college when I subsisted on ramen noodles, rabbits and venison I was rummaging through the bargain bin at a now-defunct gun store in Norman, Okla. and found a box of PMC .30/06 ammo loaded with 150-grain X bullets. They were cheap so I bought 'em, shot a few through the beat up old FN mauser that was my all-I-had-so-do-it-all gun back then and took it hunting that fall. I think I shot two deer and a few assorted coyotes with that box of ammo. Both deer were bang-flops. I never did recover a bullet but they apparently worked as advertised.Don't know why I never used X bullets again, maybe because I was (and remain, for that matter) a bit low on the socio-economic ladder and was always scrounging for cheap ammo. I never did find any more cheap stuff loaded with X bullets.A good reason to take up reloading, I know...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

a stainless 700 BDL whose 26-inch barrel was chopped back to 23.5 because a 26-barrel is fine for pole vaulting, but not hunting?This article should be, How to destroy a rifle! I think I’m going to be sick! Chopping a 26-inch Magnum like the 338 RUM? That’s criminal!Bigger boom and something around 80 to 100 fps loss.My question about the XXX’s, how do they perform at 400 to 600 yards?

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from Chris wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

How about their (Triple-Shock’s) performance on game? I understand they are suppose to retain nearly 100% of their weight which, I imagine, makes them penetrate nearly anything, but what about damage? In something moving at hyper-speed like a, 300 RUM, I imagine it does fine, but what about something more modest like a 270 Win or a 7mm-08? I am under the impression that a bullet that losses some weight will do more damage and, on deer size game, I am more concerned about a quick kill than losing a pound of summer sausage.I am slowly but surely improving my socio-economic rank and would like to try an African Plains game hunt in the near future. Would this bullet in something like a 300 Win Mag. (180gr) be a good choice, or should I go with something that sheds some weight (does more damage?) like an Accubond?Or…should I let this whole shed weight = more damage theory go, because I am ignorant and have no idea what I am talking about based on my paltry experience with whitetails.

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from PbHead wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Keep me informed of things I cannot afford. It gives me hope. I usually scounge the gun shows for partial boxes of mundane bullets at closeout prices. Why not call these bullets X3? That three should have been a superscript, read X Cubed. This would keep the mathematicaly inclined hairsplitters happy.

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I was fine until I got to the part "...and can only be attributed to the bullet."Even under the most charitable of circumstances, this is baloney. Shooting consistently tight groups is the proverbial three-legged stool. You seem to credit one leg as being is more important than the other two.

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from Smith Dewlen wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I have a question on the tight groups you obtained.What scope did you use for the testing and what power rating was it set for?Thanks for the info.

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from Gerald Keller wrote 5 years 36 weeks ago

Late getting back with this post,but as far as the Newfie Moose hunt with 185 gr. TSX's in my 338-06,They worked just fine.Slightly quartering on at about 110-120 yds.the moose took one step,turned around,and fell down dead.Bullet recovered under skin on off side and weighed 184.1 grs.I've got a box of the tipped Triple Shocks in 338 cal.,160gr,and some 140gr. 7mm tipped TSX's to try to reduce the whitetail population in Alabama this year,but then I also have a 25-06 that needs to spend some quality time in the woods.Decisions-Decisions!!

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from Laszlo wrote 5 years 47 weeks ago

Desperately looking for Barnes .308, 140 grain X (X, not Triple Shock) bullets.Also searching for rifles made by Joe duBiel of Sherman, TX, in the mid 1980's.Any info or help is appreciated!Sincerely,The Mad Hungarian

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 2 weeks ago

Took the Kimber 2506 to the range yesterday to try some XXX and Hornady Interlock loads. The wind blows almost everyday in KS. It was pretty calm right up until I finished setting up the Ohler. Then it kicked up to 10-15 MPH. Dang, well gonna shoot anyhow. Guess what? Got the best velocity and accuracy with 58.5 gr Hodgedon H1000, 117 gr Interlock, Rem 9 1/2 primer and WW brass. She went .50 in. for 3 shots and 3050 fps no sign of high pressure. Will try a little more powder next trip. Jury still out on XXX. Got 3300 vel. but groups too big 2-2.5" @ 100yd.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 6 weeks ago

TerryI only shot one deer (last year) with a .30-06 165 gr. Triple Shock. Went over like a sack of feed. I am going to load some 100 gr TSX for my .257 Roberts at about 2900 fps and see how they shoot.

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from terry wrote 6 years 6 weeks ago

I am late to see this blog and jump on but my experience with the triple x has been incredible. groups well under a minute and awesome terminal performance. To date the I have 3 elk at ranges from 160 to 275 yards, 2 deer at 75 and 340 yards, and 7 wild boar from 15 feet to about 75 yards. All but one dropped in their tracks, the lone walker took 4 steps. All were shoot through penetration, no bullets recovered, and the wound channels were impressive. All this with a .257 Roberts shooting a 115 grain XXX at 2700 fps. Am I happy with this bullet? Would a 50 pound sack of flour make a big biscuit?

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from Del in Kansas wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

FOR ROCKY MTN HUNTER,For your black powder guns1. Mix equal parts Murphy's oil soap, denatured alcohol and hydrogen pyroxide in a dark colored bottle. This is the best black powder solvent I have EVER seen bar none and it is cheaper than most. Wally world has all the ingredients. Got the recipe from a friend years ago and it really works. One wet patch is usually all it takes to remove the crud from my flintlock longrifle or any of my in-lines.2. Go to www.ultra coatings inc and read up on their bore coat. They don't say it on the website but the company that is testing This product is Thompson Center. I'm using this stuff in my new Kimber 2506 (it works in any gun) and it should cure your problem with loading the second shot in your in-line. They swear this stuff will reduce or prevent the crud ring from forming in barrels that use 3 pellets. I intend to eventually use it in all my guns. These guys also have a contract with TC to weathercoat barrels on their high dollar guns. One of the owners is a retired police officer and a long time friend of mine. He also builds really nice long rifles when he has time. Check it out online and let me know what you think.

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from BA wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

So far I have not shot or loaded any Barnes Bullets. I have some 53 grain .223 bullets XXX to load for my .223 Rem. I am looking for a reliable bullet that is not a varmint bullet. For the most part I've read really good reviews on all Barnes Bullets. I try to test all the bullets I'm interested in on game in the field. Hornady interlocks were always my standard for comparison. This year with the 270 WSM I took: 1 Blacktail Buck with a Hornady Interbond 130 gn. at 105 yds., 1 Blacktail Buck with Swift A-Frame 150 gn. 30 yds., and 1 Black Bear with Swift A-Frame 150 gn @ 210 yds. All without excessive meat damage. The first buck and the bear were clean heart/lung shots, no shoulder damage, no large bones hit. The second buck was through the shoulders at 30 yds, there was some meat damage but it was minimal. Complete penetration on all. All dropped in their tracks. Next year will be the Barnes XXX bullet for a comparison on bullet performance. I may try XXX and MRX and pick the one my gun likes the best. Bullets are better now than they've ever been, it's a handloaders dream. If anyone has killed a Black Bear with the Barnes XXX this year, I'd like to hear about it. BA.

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from Duane Matejk wrote 6 years 22 weeks ago

Dave,I have been a true believer in the Barnes X bullet since 1992 when I shot my first elk at 441 yards with one shot out of my Winchester 70 300 Weatherby mag. My brother and a guide were right next to me so I don't care really if anyone disputes it. I have a 100 yard target with a three shot, 3/8 inch group hanging in my gun safe. At the time I owned 3 Model 70's . One 270 Weatherby and a 308 and they all shot sub moa groups with Barnes X handloads. For years I have been wondering why anyone would use anything but an X bullet. It CAN'T come apart and is amazingly accurate.Barnes is a great company run by really good people.

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from Kodiak wrote 6 years 29 weeks ago

Mike, Clay answered your question that I agree with. Read it!

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from Mike Reeder wrote 6 years 29 weeks ago

I had a question about Winchester Super Speed Xtra game loads, which I purchased at Walmart. I hate to admit it, but I've had so little chance to dove hunt the last three seasons that a case of shells I bought four years ago just ran out. I usually buy the cheapest 7 1/2 loads I can find, since I let them get close and prefer mild recoil to any imagined margin in reach. I initially hesitated to buy the aforementioned Winchester loads because of the 1,350 velocity listed on the box, which struck me as a tad high. I had a hunt booked with my son the next day, though, and had no time to look for anything else. When I shot these shells in the field, recoil was notably more than my usual game loads, and several times I had trouble breaking my O/U open. It's a modern gun in very good condition and I've never had problems before, even with far more powerful turkey loads. I noticed that several primers, though not cratered, bore more than the usual dimple. In other words, indications of high pressure. I also noticed that the fired shells stunk -- not unlike blackpowder. Obviously, these are smokeless loads, but I've never noticed any similar smell with other gameloads. Can you enlighten me about what is going on here?Thanks

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 29 weeks ago

Mike ReederMy gut feeling is the Mike; your O/U is designed for trap and skeet loads. Not for game loads.There are loads and casing that firearms just don't like. You may have found one of them? Perhaps the load is to hot. In single and double barrels, I’ve seen loads so hot the barrel drops and the shell goes flying over the shooters shoulder, NO JOKE! Try a box of Federal and Remington of the same load criteria. See if you get the same results. But first you need to have your O/U inspected. Take your empties and shotgun to an old Mom and Pop Sporting goods store that has been around for a long time. They may be able to tell you what’s wrong.

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from Mike Reeder wrote 6 years 29 weeks ago

I had a question about Winchester Super Speed Xtra game loads, which I purchased at Walmart. I hate to admit it, but I've had so little chance to dove hunt the last three seasons that a case of shells I bought four years ago just ran out. I usually buy the cheapest 7 1/2 loads I can find, since I let them get close and prefer mild recoil to any imagined margin in reach. I initially hesitated to buy the aforementioned Winchester loads because of the 1,350 velocity listed on the box, which struck me as a tad high. I had a hunt booked with my son the next day, though, and had no time to look for anything else. When I shot these shells in the field, recoil was notably more than my usual game loads, and several times I had trouble breaking my O/U open. It's a modern gun in very good condition and I've never had problems before, even with far more powerful turkey loads. I noticed that several primers, though not cratered, bore more than the usual dimple. In other words, indications of high pressure. I also noticed that the fired shells stunk -- not unlike blackpowder. Obviously, these are smokeless loads, but I've never noticed any similar smell with other gameloads. Can you enlighten me about what is going on here?Thanks

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Erock: The Savage ll0 is a great firearm. Don;t think it gets the credit due. Not a high $$ gun, but a good firearm. Most do shoot good patterns of near l l/2" at 100 yds. With a good scope, (I do mean a good scope,$400.00 range ,not a Wal-Mart special) right Ammo,then it's' just as good as a Custom Built job. I got a high Dollar Custom 06 and at 100 yds is perfect, beyond is iffy. I just had the chamber rebored,Bbl rimmed and did not help the long range patterns. The Stevens 200 is nothing but the standard ll0 and is a great gun. Just pratice a lot, and buy the best Ammo available and go get -UM.All my hunting guns, carry a Nikon Monarch 3 x 9 x 40 scope, to me, better quality than any 400.00 scope on market now. o you can spend much more, but no better scope. At 98% light gathering, no one beats that. Take care, good hunting this fall.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Clay: Right again. I sure would hate to mess up the perfect way the 25-06 shoots now. Killed a Lope last year in WY at 325 yds. Was using Winc. Ballastic tip in ll5 grs. Held on Lopes back line, bullet entered about 4" below line of sight near shoulder. Down he went. And, as you state, this gives me another excuse to buy a haul around gun. Never too many. Don;t want all the guns, just l of each of the one's I like.Have wondered if any other guns nuts as crazy about firearms as I? I am disabled/handicapped for past 17 years, and guns and hunting out West keeps me going from year to year.I live, eat, dream about hunting. After near death l7 yrs back, its good to have something to fall back on and keep me occupied. My only problem now is not enough spare change to hunt all the places i would like to. But, doubt I;m alone in that department. Doubt a day goes by that I don't read hunting stores or firearms. Do that till night, then on this Puter talking to you guys. I do appreciate all the information posted by you guys, and the help given to a old man of 72. I;m like a child at Christmas about guns, I want so many, don;t know which I want first. Been asked many times why so many firearms, my answer is, why do you want more cloths, etc. Shoot often and straight. Pratice does pay off, or at least does for me. I got to have one shot kills, as I cannot track a wounded animal. So the first shot must put him down, and that comes from good equiptment, correct ammo, and PRATICE. Have a good night/day. The old Gunslinger from down South PS; My Rocky Mtn hunting guns are the Rem's 700's in 30-06 and 700's 25-06, along with best ammo I can find. Plus do carry a 357 mag just in case need a side arm. If I got my pants on, I got a firearm. Here at home it's Kel-tec. 380. Out west a 357 till I find a 45 or 44 I can hold in my smnall skinny hands.At 124 lbs, can;t handle a heavy recoil firearm. In my 06, have 2 lbs of lead in the butt of a Walnut stocked 700 CDL.What a difference that made in my ability to shot. Wt at shoulder, rather in forearm. Total wt of both the 06 and 25-06, scoped, loaded,sling is near l0 lbs.No felt recoil to speak of period. Ok enough about me/and my guns. Good-night.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Rocky Mtn Hunter, Don’t touch that 25-06! Besides sounds like a good excuse to me for another rifle!

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from Erock wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

I'm a relative newcomer to firearms. My Savage Model 110 in .30-06 averages about an inch-and-a-quarter groups with most rounds I've fed it (mainly Remington 150gr Scirocco's and Accelerators). Frankly, I always attributed this to be more due to the limits of my ability than the rifle/load.When I decided to test out a load for black bear, I tried the Federal 180gr load of the Triple-Shock X. Lo and behold, my groups with this load average between a nickel and a quarter. Not only was I happy with the performance of this load, it gave me a big boost of confidence in my shooting skills.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Clay, the way this 25-06 shoots, I would be afraid to change anything.It is the perfect long-range , out west firearm for W-tails, Lopes and mulies. It is glass bedded I hate to screw around with a bbl change, as could not get the Walnut Stock back in correct position. I'd rather buy a new gun than switch.AH, just gives me another excuse to buy another firearm. Never too many.DICKIE::::Went to my gun dealer today and saw A EAA. If no name appeared on the weapon, would swear was a Colt. Guy did not have a 45 LC in stock, had a 357 mag ( I got 3 or 4 of 357's). The handgun is well built in Germany and has the 3 Screws and a 3 position hammer. Best of all, the price is l/2 the price of a Uberti. At my age of 72, I kinda figure the EAA will outlast me. Not planning to sell, just want one as a side firearm for the Rockies. Here at home I carry a 380 Kel-tec. (Yes, do have a conceal Carry permit). As most know by now,I;m a true GUN NUT. Dont' want all the firearms, just l of each of the one's I like and would enjoy. Now major decision,do I buy a 4 3/4" bbl or a 7 l/2". kinda favor the 7 l/2 better for hunting, but the 4 3/4 would carry much easier in a shoulder holster. Need to buy soon, as Season opens where I hunt in the Rockies on 10-21-07, and here on Nov.l8-07 Need to pratice a lot, as never shot a handgun at live animals before.Much pratice needed. Then I go to East Virginia on Dec. 5th for a 7 day hunt with Shotguns and dogs. What a change in hunting. Use Buck shot on stand hunting where dogs running and hunters placed about 400 yds apart. and a slug gun for early/late still hunting. Man,what a difference the 3 hunts will be. Short shots here, long out west and real close in Va. O well, just hope my health holds out for this season, lot on agenda at this point. But when comes to hunting, I AM A NUT also. Again, thank you guys for your advice. Good hunting; Shoot often and straight. Hey;Ammo has increased in cost,some stores as much as 25%. Got to check my inventory and see how my supply adds up.

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from Dickie wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Rocky Mtn Hunter: Sorry, buddy, can't help you with the EAA Bounty Hunter. No experience and haven't read anything about them lately. What you might want to do is talk to a good gunsmith. What they haven't worked on they've heard about from other smiths. Call the guys at Cylinder & Slide or Hamilton Bowen's outfit or one of the 'smiths that work on Colt clones and ask them - they've worked on em all.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Rocky Mtn HunterWhy buy another rifle? Take your 25-06 and get a synthetic stock for it. That would be my first choice

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

I'm in the market for a haul-around rifle for my 4 wheeler and pickup that I wan;t die if gets scratched up a tad. Therefor, looking for a not to expensive rifle.Been bugging the catalog/hunting books and 2 firearms fit my billfold. One is the new Remington Model 715 with Matt bbl and Blk Syn stock and a det. magazine, available in 243 up thru 300 winchester. The 2nd is a Stevens by Savage, grey stock, blue bbl, top loading no det. mag or floor plate also available from 243 thru 300 winchester. Price of either not 25$ difference. I feel the Stevens is the old Savage ll0 returned in syn stock and grey stock. The Remington is a up-grade Model 710 that has been discontinued. Any you guys seen or shot either of these firearms? if so what is your opinion? Either one will be used for w-ail hunting here on my farm in the south. Shoots never in excess of 200 yds.Calibers interested in are the 243 or 270. Got many 25-06's, 30-30's and o6's in Walnut, just want a cheap but accurate haul around firearm. Apreciate any replies.PS; Never hunted with either of these calibers, kinda looking at the 270, however the 243 could get my wife into shooting as she always goes with me out West. Being disabled/handicapped I must have a partner along for many reasons. She;s a great Bird-dog, a great spotter of game.She really knows how to use Bincs and rangefinders.. Kinda believe she can smell game much further away than my not so good eyesight can see. Be glad when our weather cools and season opens out in the Rockies. Rifles all checked for sight-in and ready for shipment. If you never hunted the Rockies, by all means make arrangements and go. Do not do as I did, wait too late to start going. Need to be in good shape and able to shoot at least 300 yds. O to hear that Bull Elk bugle again, just hope/pray still able to go again. The way I have to go/fly out/stay in motel/guide/hunt private property it;s costly, but a guy in good shape with some camping equiptment can go far less than I. (A do it your self type hunt on BLM land) Your greatest expense is the licenses. Try to get another hunter to go along, share expenses, plus, keep the bears at bay. Hey, are you packed yet?Shoot often and straight, Pratice till your arm is sore

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Dickie: Wsbugging my catalogs today and found a gun by EAA-called the Bounty Hunter. Looks like a Colt, built in Germany. Do you know anything about this fireat. Its much cheapr than teh Uberti? Now quality not sure. Any info will be appreciated. Click on to www. EAACORP.COM to view the Bounty Hunter.retail is 399.00, but can buy about 20% less.Its available in 357 mag, 44 mag, and 45 LC.Please read the information about teh gun that appears on teh screen. I like the Blue or case harden with blue bbl and cyl. Thans for any advice,Gunslinger

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

Thanks for the info Dickie. Will try your suggestion. Soon gonna be early hunting, wish was in AM. However,rather the weather cool down a tad. Very dry/hot in my down south area, need some rain as well as others. Never tried my 357 mag on a W-tail, kinda figured was a tad on small side, but might be ok at 25 yds. On the Ruger I do like the rear adjustable sight. At my age , maybe I should re-consider the Ruger Blackhawk. It does not have the Western look-feel I wanted in a side arm, but not buying one for looks, want to try on a W-tail. too bad when we get old, our eyes go bad as well as other body parts??????, Thanks again, Shoot straight,often. The old Gunslinger

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from Dickie wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Rocky Mountain Hunter: Re your Uberti SA .45 Colt - go to the Cylinder & Slide web site (www.cylinder-slide.com), click on "Technical Info" and then on "Action Jobs for the Italian made Colt Clones" for some good info on why they charge more for an action job on these guns than for Rugers and Colts. I learn something new every day. Actually, the Italians (Uberti/Benelli) make pretty damn good guns for the $$$. Compared to a Colt, they're damn good value. Just don't try and load them (or the Colt's) "hot" like you can the Rugers. I'd stay strictly with factory loads. And for my old eyes, the Ruger's adjustable sights are a must. Don't think they're available on the Ubertis. Good luck on your handgun whitetail.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Thanks Mark will try. AS for this B/P rifle.Would not ask for a better gun for the first shot, but to re-load is a Pain in the A--.AS for cleaning, I use Rem Oil mostly, but on the B/P stuff I been using Rusty Duck. Cleans well, but still, after that first shot, the residue is still there. In a rush to re-load, I don;t want to have to swab the bbl. I;ve had W-tails go down on first shot, and then in 5-10 seconds, get up. If you not ready for that 2nd shot, he's gone. I like the in-lines, but may go back to my T/C HAwken or Renegade 50 and 54 cal. sidelock. I changed the nipples to take the musket caps and both shoot well using the cronical pre-lubs. My biggest problem with them is not scoped. At my age of 72, eyes a tad blurred and need the scoped on-line. Suppose I need to trade, or buy a break action type and use the Sabots, and not the Powerbuilt. The Powerbelts suppose to eliminate the problem I have, as it fits tighter in the bbl than a plastic sabot and suppose to prevent blow back on the powder/pellets. I never used just the Pyrodex powder, only the pellets, suppose I need to try the powder once and see what that does. Thanks again for your suggestions. Good hunting. Shoot often and straight.The old Gunslinger

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

B/P: Sounds like you get a fouling ring rather quickly. I don't use in line muzzle loaders,. I'm traditional using civilwar era rifles and then Hawkins.I would suggest Bore-Butter to cure your barrel and then clean fouling with only WD-40. If it doesn't work, see a north/south skirmisher for advice. Those guys are very keen target shots and shoot a bunch in an afternoon. They have knowledge.There's a NSSA Website.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Ryan: The Rem Core Locks do well. I;ve usd them her in the south for years in a 06 using l50 grs bullets. Now for outwest, long range hunting, go with a bonded bullet in l80 grs such as the Rem Scirocco's. LAst year I killed a dandy 4 x 4 at 345 yds with the Scirocco. On lopes and w-tails out west i use a 25-06 loaded with Winchester Ballastic ll5 gr. It is a fine bullet for that game and distance , my shot was 325 yds on the Lope. Both animals werer one shot kills. I would bet, that more Core-lokts are used yearly than any other ammo.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Thanks Dickie for the reply. I appreciate your taking time to answer. I also think Ruger builds a better firearm. The Vanquero is the type Western side arm I want, but they are now made of Alloy Metal. I prefer the pure steel. May be me, but it's kinda line Plastic verses Iron to my thinking. But again, suppose all depends on amount of shooting you plan to do.At 72 yrs old, little hunting left for me, but I would like to kill a W-tail with a handgun. Saw the Uberti at Bass Pro and do like its looks and style. Sometimes they run a special price on the Uberti. I'm going to Montana for Elk/Deer/Coyotes and in area I hunt, do have bears. The 44 mag would be better, but I;m a small frame guy, very small hands and wt is l24 lbs, there-fore the 44 mag by Ruger a little on heavy side for me. Prior to my near death experince some yrs back I weighed l80 and could shoot any weapon made. I now use a Rem CDL in 30-06. Added Steel shot to the wood stock and with mounted scope and magazine full, wt is about 9 l/2 lbs. I can handle it fine using l80 gr Scirocco's. The added wt at butt end, really made the gun shootable for me. Thanks again will decide shortly on what I decide to purchase.The Old Gunslinger down south

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from Dickie wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Rocky Mountain Hunter: Am absolutely no help with your B/P question, but may be of some help with your Italian-made .45 Colt. I have heard the Uberti's are decent guns; not the quality or strength of the Ruger Single Actions, but not bad for the $$$. I own Ruger Blackhawk SA's in .45 Colt, .44 Mag, .41 Mag & .22 and don't think you can beat em for the $$$. If you want he authentic "cowboy" look and feel, try the Ruger Vaquero in .45 Colt. Probably more $$$ than the Uberti, but you get what you pay for - and it'll hold it's value. Good Luck.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Hey you guys: No repies on my B/P question.No B/P hunters on this Blog? Also, long ago I had a question about handguns. I ask if any of you had tried the A. Uberti 45 Cal Revolver in 4 3/4' bbl.( Co. owned by Benelli, imported from Italy) I want a Western look/feel handgun as a side arm, rather than my 357 mag. Just want to be a Cowboy i suppose, but the Western feel has been my desire for past several years. Just might get a shot at a W-tail here in the south, some nice deer appraoch my ground blind at about 20-30 yds. I realize the 44 mag a better caliber, but I can;t handle the Ruger 44. You experts help this old guy out, PLEASE>.If failed to recall my B/P quetion was about the Powerebelts leaving residue in lower chamber after one shot. Impossible to seat the 2nd shot as low as the first, using 3-Pyrodex 50 gs . Maybe a Sabot by another Co is better. Appears all the powder is not burning with the first shot???.Wrote CVA, guy suggested I swab the bbl between shots????? kinda stupid answer for hunting , would be bad enough for bench shooting.For years used Hornady Chronicals lubed with 100 grs Pyrodex powder in a side lock, no problem on 2nd or 20th shot,I cleaned bbl etc after season over. Waiting for you suggestions.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Use the core locks for short range hunting, but when I go to the Rockies, I want a better designed bullet. I use the Remington l80 gr. Boatail Scirocco swift for long range hunting. Being disabled/handicaped, 99% of my shots are in excess of 200 yds. The Scirocco appears to fly flatter and straighter with much less drop than the figures state.Over my hunting years I;ve used the rem Core-Lokt by far more to much success.BAck about l990,Remington came out with a extended range l65 gr. Boattail for the 06.Why they dropped it will never know,was a great bullet. The new swift Scirocco l80 is much like that extended range. I tried many brands of ammo over the years, but the above appear to work best for me. For out west, hunting Mulies, W-tails, Lopes, Coyotes with my 25-06, 700 ;I use Winchester Ballastic tips ll5.Man at 300 yds it tears up a Lope. But do not like the Ballastic tip for Elk. With my health problems, I strive for a one shot kill as I;m unable to track a wounded animal. I want to see that animal fall at the shot. Back to a earlier statement I made.I do believe a firearm gets SPOILED to a certain bullet and load, and if it performs satisfactory use it. Again, never, Never cut the bbl off any firearm unless you plan to ruin it. When you loose some of the rifling at the tip end, you change the entire performance of the line the bullet will take. QUESTION PLEASE> I use Powerbuilt Sabots in my Bolt-in-line with 3 50 gr Pyrodex. After the first shot, there is a glob of residue left down low and makes it impossibe to seat the 2nd bullet (unlesswith a swabbing) as low as the first round in a clean bbl. Any suggestions? One guy told me to stop using the Powerbuilt and just use a jacket Sabot????? or a Hornaday lead Pre-lube Cronical 350 gr.. My B/P shots are for l50 yds down to 50 or so. i want to go to the Rockies for the Rut hunt on Elk with a B/P and need a load that will reach the magic distance of 200 yds>. You guys give me some advice, please??? These so-called gun-writers are full of it, if you know what I mean by IT. They gonna praise what-ever Company is footing the bill for a story and future sales. Am sure can get lots of No's but a plain Jane Rossie B/P 24" bbl break-Action does a great job, better than my CVA Bolt action 50 cal scoped with extended eye relief scope for B/P.Some of the high $ B/P firearms, swing down, or break action, or swivel over hammer or etc. say theirs is best?????? Thanks for all advise.the old Gunslinger. My letter is long and many questions, be patient with this old guy who is on his last round-ups. At72, few trips West left,in fact the Dr;s say no more now.I would like to get a Elk with B/P before my time is over.Will hunt Colorado and Montana for Elk and WY again for Lopes and Elk. A wishful hunt I suppose.But not impossible with conditions just right. Have a great guide in both states.

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from Montana Winchester wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

My Winchester .338 with 210 Barnes XXX and a max charge of RL-19 shooting off of sandbags will print groups under an inch all day long. At 400 yards its less than 5 inches. Where I hunt either you can shoot at 400 or you let half the elk walk by. As for game performance I saw two elk shot this year. One by me at a little over 250. He fell like a rock to the first shot. The bullet penetrated all the way though and if he had any lungs before I shot him I'll never know. The other was shot by a 7mm WSM at 400 with a 140 XXX the bull was quartering away. The bull took two steps and toppled over. The bullet was recovered just inside the skin on the off shoulder and weighed 139.2 grains and measured .62 inhes. You cant ask for much more from a hunting bullet.

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from Ryan S. wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

10-4. Thanks everyone.

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from Phillip wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

"How do ballistic tips work for hogs?"They explode and make sausage, blended with tiny pieces of copper and lead.After three hogs and two deer with the Ballistic Tips, I swore them off and will never touch them again. They kill. Stone dead. But it's like shooting game with a grenade. Even with a good neck shot on a big hog, I lost a big chunk of shoulder meat. A bad hit on a blacktail cost me a whole side of ribs and half the backstraps.I've been told they work better, with less meat damage, at longer ranges (outside 100 yards), but I can't seem to get the critters to agree to walk off the extra range for me.Even out here in the "wild west" where apparently everyone believes the only shots you'll ever take are 300+, almost every big game animal I've shot has been inside 100.By the way, in CA it won't be much longer before the majority of our hunting is with unleaded ammo anyway. Right now Barnes is the only option there, although I'm hoping to see great things from Winchester/Nosler's upcoming offering, the eTipt.Meanwhile, if your rifle likes the Core-lokt, then shoot them and don't buy into the hype. Dead is dead, and the marginal improvement in field performance may not be worth the extra $25-$30 a box.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Ryan SYour answer is easy.Your experiencing, poor bullet placement. It sounds that your taking lung shots instead of shoulder shots. Need to blow that shoulder out. That 7mm-08 with a 140 any point on Florida deer will do the trick. If not, get a Laws Rocket!It’s not the Arrow, It’s the Indian!

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from Ryan S. wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Interesting. I'll wait for a few more responses, but David Petzal himself recommended Winchester Ballistic Silvertips in 7mm-08 in Field and Stream mag a few months back. I'm not sure if it was for hunting purposes or grouping. I could care less if I group 3 inches or 0.5 as long as the bullet performs well for my size game. Maybe the lower amount of powder in 7mm-08 and slower impact velocities need some assistance with bullet opening. Now I have to decide if I'm going for the old trusy rusty green and yellow box or maybe being one of the "cool kids" and trying some Win. Silvertips or Federal BTs or ABs. I shoot factory ammo as you can see. Maybe I should just shoot core-lokt until for some miracle, a 110 pound swamp buck decides that the bullet didn't form a perfect mushroom and allowed 3% more energy deposit and fragmented a tad earlier than he likes and prances away. On the other hand, don't let people fool you about southern deer. There are some 200 pound monsters lurking way back in the thick stuff that people never see and die of old age. I'd try cheap federal fusion, but it seems like the boattail design lends itself better to long range aerodynamics and would possibly cause a core separation under extreme velocities at close range. How do ballistic tips work for hogs? A 200 pound hog is not uncommon down here.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

I hunt down south which means mostly under 50 yard shots Ryan. Ballistic Tips just seem to drop deer in their tracks. Don't know why and don't care. For small deer like we hunt, you want maximum expansion not a bullet that has "integrity". When you go after an elk get you some .338 XXX's.

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from Ryan S. wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Somewhat new to big game hunting. Somebody tell me why a 140 grain (not cool looking at all and boring) remington core lokt soft point won't kill a deer as well as a barnes or a nosler. I'm shooting a Browning A-Bolt 7mm-08. I was interested in Accubonds or Ballistic Tips for the small deer I hunt here in North Florida (Soon moving to Louisiana), but I am concerned that in my heavy cover environments a 50-100 yard shot with an accubond may blow up on the shoulder or ruin meat. Is this concern or comments mostly from people shooting high velocity magnums? My velocity at the barrel is 2860. On the other hand, it is difficult to track deer in swamps with 5 feet of visibility so quick kills are also important. I'm lost. Any advice? Sorry for all the questions.

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

I'm sorry Mike, I didn't mean to leave you out, I really enjoy your writings also. Keep up the good work..

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Some people need to read after some of the older writers like O'Connor, Dunlap, Kerr or Cooper...If you are into Bows try some of Fred Bears books.

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Why would anyone want the bullet to pass through? Remember when we would search the carcus for the bullet to see the expansion ....

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

To: Kentucky hareraiser, I also use the Rem 700 in .308 here in Eastern Ky. and have very good luck with Horn. or Sa. 150 gr. Sp.. I don't think going to the XXX would be worth the switch as most of my deer are taken at less than 70 yds.

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Hey Guys, what about the old theory:(A good hunting bullet should expand twice it's size, Retain all it's original weight, BUT not exit the animal) theory all the older writers used to write about....

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

David Petzals next stop, AFRICA!I believe Barnes Bullet folks should send David with his 338 RUM all expenses and mounting paid on a Cape Buffalo hunt and report back to us, just how the Barnes bullet really worked.What say you Barnes?

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from Eric wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Just a coment on the notion that TSXs are longer than other bullets of the same weight and caliber: A lot of them are the same length as its competitor. And while some are longer, who cares? They load just fine and at reduced pressures and kick ass velocity. No better bullet on the market.

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from CoRoMo wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

LISTON BARBERI agree with the later guy, the .243 has taken a respectable number of elk.The old cliche, "It's all about shot placement".I killed my first elk with one shot from a 30-30. Another elk got away after getting shot with the same model '94, so I switched to a .270. They've all died quickly since. Going for a bull elk during my first black powder hunt ever next month, and will cow hunt with the 'ol .270 again in October. Opening day for elk is tomorrow morning, here in Colorado.Get ye some!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Yet another super accurate ADL 700 story. No wonder I think they're prettier than those old Model 70's. Get ye some!

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from DW Griffin wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

This is a simple matter of fluid physics. Long skinny things go through fluids (and air qualifies) with less turbulence than short fat things. The XXX is all copper and thus is long for the weight and caliber. Hence, it travels through the atmosphere easier and more accurately.I would like to know the size of a group through the same rifle using Barnes MRX bullets. With the tungsten insert, they are not so long for the caliber as the XXX and I'll bet the accuracy suffers a bit.

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from kentucky hareraiser wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

i shoot a rem.7oo adl. 308 cal,and i reload my own shells.i have cheapoi;s i plink with. now when deer season draws near ,i fire a few rounds of my reloaded xxx super shock down the barrel to see if i'm still on target. at 200 yards i can almost i meam reallyclose almost hit the same hole.now that the pattern srorey is over,i'll tell you about the buck i got on opening day last year. i shot him from 186 yards,and i sware the deer did'nt even move,kinda looked my way after he heard the sound i guess,and i freaked,i said oh hell'''''' i missed him,so i bolted another round and aimed for the ole boiler room again and let drive,,,,,,,,,still did't move,,how ever this time i saw his hips wobblin' and he started goin' down. he had 2 does with him .and he went down so peacefully they layed with him,,,did.t even know he was dead''''the buck scored 149.6 /w 20 " spread. the buck ,i believe had internal vital shock syndrome because he stood there until all his air escaped his lungs because both shots were,thru excitement and all were 2" pass thru shots. i've already got the hunting rounds of xxx super shock waitin'for the season to start. GET YE' SOME

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

If it wasn’t for the complete pass thru at the speed of an exiting full metal jacket, I just might try Barnes XXX. I can just listen to the ricochet now, to far away distance! I hope it didn’t hit anyone? Scary!

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from Shooter wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Rocky Mtn HunterThat Turk Mouser, perhaps the crown was cut wrong. Happens sometimes with us competition shooter. Ding one and see what happens? Cutting the barrel off? Not good.Remington’s new Model 988 in 25-06 has a 22 inch barrel. Stupid goober smootchers!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

If i could recall any of my 72 years it would be to back in the 60's and go west and buy a Ranch with lots of game. I love hunting in the Rockies but at todays cost, it takes a bundle to go out for a 10-14 day hunt. With the ample game available in the Rocky Mountains, most any 2 firearms will work find. I use the 25-06 and 30-06 for all my hunting out there. Never tried the Griz don;t plan to, but the 06 will handle anything I plan to hunt. As i;ve stated in this colum many times, just to be out in the great outdoors in the Rockies is ample for me, a kill is a Bonus. Ammo, to each his own. Some guns will work better on certain ammo than others. I just Stick with one brand and hunt all I can. As for taking inches off a bbl. great mistake. I bought a Turk Mauser, sporterized it, cut bbl back from 29" to 24". You could not hit a 12 " x l2" target at 50 yds. Found a guy who loved mauser actions and traded it to him. Never cut the bbl off any gun, unless a skatter gun and I mean skatter all over the place.Also, for me, a 24" bbl is a must forlong range hunting. The range on a 24" compared to a 22" is hard for me to believe. I have both lengths in 06 and when know gonna be hunting long range the 24: goes. I use the 22' for 200 yds or less. Any you guys tried the new pointed 30-30 ammo yet? if so what do you think?

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

LISTON BARBERA few Elk have been taken with this round. Do not underestimate the 243!

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from LISTON BARBER wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I HAVE A .243 AND USE IT ON NOTHING LARGER THAN DEER OR PIGS. IN THIS OR A 6MM, A CORLOCKT,PARTITION, OR FUSION BULLETS ARE AS STRONG AS YOU NEED; ALTHOUGH ON TOUGHER GAME IN FASTER GUNS I KNOW THIS ISN'T THE CASE

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

DaveHave you ever considered in taking up long range silhouette shooting?

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from Ernie wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I just bought a remington 788 in .308 with 18 inch barrel and was testing to see what it liked. It didn't like the Barnes 130 grain bullets. It grouped a well distributed 3 inches. It did like two different types of 165 grain bullets grouping 1 inch and 1.25 inches. I will try it next with Triple shock 165s to see if its the weight vs bullet composition. Whatever works will be tried on Red Deer in Germany next month.

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from Zermoid wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

And BTW, I got some really weird looks from people going groundhog hunting with that 30-30 Winchester!And amazed looks after bowling one over at 100+ yards!

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from Zermoid wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

And to Rocky Mtn Hunter,Core-loks are good and inexpensive ammo, had a Winchester 94 that loved them, shot Remington 150 gr Core-lok factory ammo better than any load I could come up with, with one exception, 110 gr Speer HP and SP bullets, I forget the powder charge but the holes usually touched at 100 yds. Factory Remingtons were under an inch, and everything else was lucky to see under 2, alot was in the 3-6 range. Rifles are really fickle at times aren't they?

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from Zermoid wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Why bother cutting a barrel back just 2 and a half inches???? Unless the muzzle was worn from improper cleaning or something similar? Last time I felt the need to shorten a barrel it was a 96 Swedish Mauser, with a worn muzzle. (Rifling was almost non existent!) And about 7-8 inches were docked off that puppy, and the barrel is still longer than any other rifle I own. Which aren't many! Gave it a nice recessed target crown, still no tack driver but shoots about an inch group at 100 yds shooting hand held off a old picnic table.Yup, that's at our fancy local shooting range, always the best equipment! ;~)

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from Michael wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Sub-MOA results in a 1970's stock Browning B-78 .30-06 (similar to a Model 1885), and, surprise, an old Remington 760 rebarreled in .35 Whelen. You have to work with seating depth, though. Sometimes shoots better groups when set back further from the rifling than the recommended start point. Have to admit that finding the sweet spot cost a bit in ammo, but it was worth it.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Nevere used teh xxx's so cannot discuss. I'm 72 ys old and until about 10 yrs ago,used only Core-lokts. Three yrs ago, I bought 2 new rifles, a 700 25-06 and a 700 CDl in 30-06. I was told by a expert to use for pratice and to break in the guns to use the same ammo I planned to hunt with. O for the 25-06 which was for Lopes and w-tails in the Rockies, I bought and zeroed @200 yds the Winchester Ballastic tips in ll5 gr. For the 30-06 I used and zeroed @200 yds the Rem Scirocco in l80 grs. Both of these bullets have performed to my expectations and has only taken one shot to kill Mulies, W-tails and Lopes. My First large game animal was a 6 x 6 elk and back then Remington made the Extended Range l65 gr bullet. I took my Elk, one shot at 235 yrs. I have fe opportnitiess to hunt teh Rockies and when I spend teh $$$$ required for a 2-3 week hunt there I want the best ammo $$$ can buy. Why use a dime store bullet when you may get only one shot and have sent a ton on that hunt. I contend, buy and use the best Ammo ther is for your weapon. Pratice with that ammo till you can cover 3 holes at 200 yds with a Silver Dollar, then go hunting. Also, by all means, invest a small amount in a good rangefinder so you know your range. The Rockies will fool you in distance. What looks like l50 yds may be 300 or more. Once a rifle in BROKEN in with a certain Brand , type, size , etc, use it. You recall years ago, when we were told to use break-in-oil in our new car that we planned to use as long as we kept the car. I feel that way about ammo. I'm no expert on any subject, just know what works for me, so why change. I do know some firearms will pattern some ammo better than others, but to me thats because, so many different brands have been run thu it. To be honest, I would bet that more large game has been taken with the plain Jane Core-lokt than all the other ammo combined,. Now you experts tell me I;m wropng. Good hunting, and shoot straight.

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from Jim Adams wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Barnes Triple X are not for use at speeds over 3400fps as in 30-378@ 3450 w/165gr bullets. Shot an Elk three times at 385yds each shot hitting behind the shoulder and the petals sheared off the bullets leaving a .30 cal slug to poke a clean hole thru the chest. A shot in the neck finally did the trick. I talked to Ty Herring regarding the problen and he recommended a heavier bullet or one of their new offerings. We're using the rest of the box in a 308 for coyotes. Jim Adams

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Maybe He might be the next Jed Clampet! Hollywood DAVE!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Maybe He might be the Jed Clampet!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Hey Dave!I wonder if there is a requirement before firing that canon, you must have the Gas and Electric Companies come out and survey the area for buried utilities

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Dave-Wow-Big cannon for sure! Was the blast out of control, and did you measure the velocity?

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from REVOLUTIONARY KOMRADE JXMMY ABRAXIS wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Using a Barnes bullet reminds of a hunter shooting a 375 H&H and wounding a nice Bull Caribou. Funny thing, he also knocked down three cows to with same one shot!

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from SD Bob wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Hey Mr. Petzal....Next time post a topic that encourages participation!

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from Ed J wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

It works good on praire dogs. When they just stick their head out aim a couple inches low. It blows them right out of the hole.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Hey Dave!What are you going to shoot with that cannon .338 Remington Ultra Mag !

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from Karl Katzenjammer wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

OK,with the upcomming election,someone with the time needs to make good use of this domain name(s)!www.Democrathillary.comwww.democrathillary.infoI bought the domain names with the intent to make a nice anti- Hillary Clinton website. and I just haven't had time to do anything with it.I'm hoping one of the board viewers has the time to put together a website that can help her NOT get elected and expose how bad she would be for this country.Trade for? almost anything..........P38 / Luger /Beretta /Browning / FN / Kahr /Colt / pistols / shotguns / Coin(s) / Rifles / car / truck or just about anything ??Make me a fair offer for 1 or both domains,They need to get USEDI've got some money into the purchase of the domains, so I cannot give it away.Make an offer,or better yet, make me an offer & let me know your plan for the domain(s)(a good idea for the domain name is worthy of me giving you a discount also!)Let me know,by email or phoneTHANKS!! DAVE763-442-6541Dave@dkmags.com

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Good one Mr. ishawooa and Mr. B!In the past, I have witnessed to many individuals obtaining both ill advised and equipment that they were totally unfamiliar with. When it came time to pull the trigger they were totally lost! In other words it was like taking someone that never drove an 18-wheeler, tossing them the keys and telling them to go for it. You got to be proficient with the equipment that fits you, PERIOD! Using a big magnum or to small of a rifle to some is like putting on a coat that size 4x-large or extra small and you weigh only 175 pounds.

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from mr.b wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Answer to up close Grizz question; alot!

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I find the hunting experiences very interesting but remembering back over the last 30 years or so I believe I have duplicated many of those sceanarios utilizing Sierra GameKings in .308 or .284 in various sized cases. Go figure. The problem I see with Berger VLDs in a magazine rifle is having to seat the bullets deeper than I would prefer but then Berger warned me.Insofar as meeting the grizzley face to face I would use my elk load as that is what I would be hunting at the time of the encounter. Never had to pull the trigger yet but those who have and connected lived to tell the tale regardless of bullet choice. Did anyone mention Sciroccos? Expensive but effective.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I went to Barnes web site to find their Optimum Usage and Performance Criteria. HUMMM! Not there. The search for Waldo is on!

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from Eric wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

My experience with the Triple X has been the same - tight groups....really tight groups. I have loaded the 180 in my 300 Wby and killed Elk, Mule Deer and two antelope within 10 days of each other and with one shot each. The bull elk was shot at 362 yards, took a sstep and died. For any doubter that a heavy Barnes T shock will open on small game, both antelopes were very dead and dropped to the shot. Also GREAT stuff with same bullet in 257 wby, 270 Win and 300 Win (factory ammo). I will using this bullet for a long time.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

In a face to face encounter with a Grizz, close up and personal, able to smell and taste it’s steaming breath, what brand of bullet and type would you want to have?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Opening day of Muzzle loader season 2001, a black bear came running by me at 50 yards and my 50x209 TC loaded with 150 grains of 777 and a saboted Hornady .429 265 grain soft point instantly dropped it dead in it’s run.Barnes needs to do more than just show ballistic jello shots to impress me and the rest of you range monkeys get swooned by all this gee wiz stuff. That Berger video is down right awesome, but I’ll stick to what I do know that really works! Dead is dead and once again it’s Indian, not the arrow. Got that range monkeys!All of this reminds me of a Scuba Diver that went on a diving trip with all the latest electronic gadgetry, paid all that money and upon his first dive his diving computer went out. He canceled the rest of the trip and filed a lawsuit against the manufacturer to recoup what he paid for his diving trip that was ruined by the loss of use. The Diver is suppose to be a certified diver and should know how to operate manual equipment. Sounds familiar?I’m surprised that Barnes didn’t give Dave a case of 338 RUM and pay to send him on a real hunt and to do some real testing and to play around with there product.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Opening day of Muzzle loader season, I shot a big Bkack Bear running past me at 50 yards with my 50x209 TC with 150 grains of 777 behind a Hornady .429 265 grain soft point diameter (order #4300)

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from Melvin Hamby wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Ihave one kill with the triple x, 180, 300wsm. 94 yards it dropped a buck stone dead. The shot was directly in the shoulder from an elevated tree stand. It shattered the shoulder bone, tore up the lung and heart but no exit wound. I looked and looked for that bullet but could not find it. It grouped the best of any load in my model 70. I was bear hunting and a buck steps out.

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from Mountainman wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

gunbroker allows thiefs to sell Gun Parts.....Dana Reed uses gunbroker......and gunbroker refuses to Ban him......they see nothing wrong with him.....as long as he PAYS Gunbroker to list his Items.In my Book...... that makes GunBroker a Dana "Business Associate".....

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from Gerard Raphael wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago
from ishawooa wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I keep forgeting to mention that those of us with .338 Remington Ultra Mags refer to them as .338 RUMs not .333 RUMs as Dave pointed out. I am confident that this was a slip of the typing fingers and not a throwback to the Elmer Keith days. By the way the 24 inch barrel on my custom version functions just as well as a longer barrel. Loud yes but then to me all rifles are loud and that is why I use hearing protection 99% of the time. So should you and you won't go around saying HUH? like me...

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from Michael wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Did I tell you all I'm going Bear hunting next week. Is this week over YET!!

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Ultimately some bullets will shot well in some rifles some of the time. It is up to the shooter/reloader to determine which is the best choice while still keeping in mind the need for adequate hunting bullet performance at varied distances and environmental circumstances. I suppose we could say that most animals are killed with average old "el cheapo" bullets but that still does not make them the best all of the time. Remember that the only actual contact between you and your prey is the bullet, everything else merely makes that end result happen. Each to his own.

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Boy there's a lot of vitriol toward the Gun Nut today! Geez, you'd think he mentioned ARs or something...You know, I noticed on one of the j-job boards a few days back that F&S is looking for a new associate editor (for those who may be impressed by such lofty titles here's the succinct job description for an AE: "Get my coffee, beotch! Now go back to your corner"). So if it bothers you so much you could always try the "change from the inside" approach. All it takes is a modicum of talent and a healthy dose of chutzpah...

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Dave,Thanks for letting us all know you’re the ultimate resource on anything you write about. Too bad all of those other gun writers with their worthless experiences are going to be out of a job.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

My Nosler Partitions out of my 45-70 perform (when I do my part) .75" groups at 100 yrds w/ my Marlin GG. They performed perfectly on my Newfie Moose. Why mess w/ a good thing. That being said, I've always wanted to try the XXX. I just havn't gotten around to buying some to reload yet. It will be Nosler Partions in my BAR .300 Win Mag. In Maine next week for Bear!!!! This week is taking FOREVER to go by!!!!!!!!!!!!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Some squirrel hunter you are!

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from JDD wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I tried the XXX ($$$) in my Remington 270. I used 110 gr (6.8 MM) and moly coated to hold down copper deposits to a minimum. I got consistent 5/8 inch groups. This is a custom shop 270 that hates Remington bullets but will shoot Ballistic tips into a 3/4 inch group all day. The reason I used 110 grain XXX bullets was to get the velocity where I feel good about bullet performance. The load I used chronographed @ 3350 for a 5 shot average. I have always viewed Barnes as a "hard bullet" that requires increased velocity to expand properly. The XXX is a good bullet and dropped a 300+ pound hog (that ran for 75 yards), however I will settle for minute of deer or pig @ 100 yards and use the $$ saved to buy a few more Buds. I quit shooting for head shots a long time ago. BTW, 500 yard shots at a white tail is like shooting a field mouse in the shoulder @ 50 yards, I don't go there.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

My friend shot a Mule deer at about 175 yards with a Berger 190 grain match VLD out of His 308 M1A and it was like a bomb going off inside!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Sam,Mr. Dave is not into long range shooting.A130 grain bullet out of a 270 Win, great for Caribou by the way, loaded at 3000 fps for a 200 zero, at 100 yards is +1.6 inches high. I would set it at 2.5. This will put you 2 inches high at 200yds and in the ball park 250yrds. This will be ideal for you 270 Win. But if you choose to go 1.6 high at 100 for a 200 zero, at 1.6 at 100 yards your bullet drop at 300 yards is –7.4”, at 400yds –21.9”, at 500yds –45.1, 600yds –78.1 and if you really get a wild hair at 1000yds –362.2”, 1119fps and 361 foot pound energy.

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from sam wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

dave,iam using a remington 270 win, using rem core lokt 130 grain bullets, where should that bullet hit at 100yds if i want it to be accurate at approx 200yds?

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Run for your lives everbody, deer are mutating into Cape buffalo!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Berger Bullets work great at extreme ranges (1000 yards)

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Thad DavidsonHere’s the link to Berger Bulletshttp://bergerbullets.com/I’ve used the Berger bullets in competition and worked great with their VLD (Very Low Drag) design giving them a higher ballistic coefficient. I visited their small plant back in 94 in Phoenix Az and I assume since then they have come a long way.Hers a blurp from there siteThe MATCH VLD bullets are proving to be the most lethal big game hunting bullet available. (Watch Demo Clip http://bergerbullets.com/video.htm ) The VLD design incorporates a sharp nose that allows the bullet to penetrate up to 3 inches before it starts to expand. This delayed expansion results in a wound channel that is deep inside the vital area of any big game. After the bullet starts to expand it will shed 80% to 90% of its weight into the surrounding tissue traveling as deep as 18 inches. This results in a massive wound cavity that creates the greatest possible amount of tissue damage and hemraging within the vital area (organs). This massive and extensive wound cavity result in the animal dropping fast. Our bullets don't poke through like an arrow but instead expend all of their energy right where it is most effective, inside the animal. Bullets that poke through so that they can cause a blood trail are designed to result in a hunter tracking a wounded animal. Using the Berger VLD will result in an animal that goes down fast so you can enjoy the results of your hunt without having to track the wounded animal after the shot. You owe it to yourself to see how accurate and deadly the Berger VLD will be on your next hunt.

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from Mikeb wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Have been using Barnes X then TSX since they've been out. Shooting a 284 Winchester, 140Gr TSX at 2900 fps in both a Ruger 77 and an Ultra Lite. Both guns shoot within moa. The Ruger magazine permits seating to 2.90 and the Ultra to 3.00 vs the norm of 2.80. Have taken whitetail, mulies, antelope, and a nice moose with a 350 Rem Mag 225gr X.Very happy with Barnes, but it's really about bullet placement and not taking questionable shots. Do that and any proper bullet will take game down quickly and humanely.

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I have had good results with Barnes X's of various types insofar as accuracy and lethality. This does sometimes come at the expense of what appears to be excessive pressure, sometimes unexpectedly. Hence I tend to stick with Noslers and Sierras with a few Hornadys thrown in on some rifles. Recently I started shooting Berger VLDs. Accuracy is astounding at long range on paper and other non-living targets (500 yards plus inclusive). Perhaps my son or I will be able to report back with a small sampling of what they will do on Wyoming elk and deer. We both failed to draw antelope AGAIN so no report pending on that species. Anyone else shoot Bergers?

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from Brian wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Aside from range competitions, how can group size possibly matter in a hunting scenario? Every hunter hopes that the very first, cold shot will do the job. The beasts in the woods just won't stand there for 6 shots no matter what the group size is! Go to the range 10 times. Keep track of the first cold shot from every group. Put them together as a group. Now, what do you see?

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from Fischerhunts wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I've been hand loading and shooting Barnes Bullets for years. X bullet, X bullet with Danzak Coating(my application), XLC, TXS, TSX with Danzak(my app), MRX and MRX with Danzak(my app). Various guns/calibers, 7-08, 7mm Mag, 300 win mag, 375 H&H, 458 win mag. TXS(D) and MRX(D) have consistantly been the most accurate. To date I have yet to recover one from a game animal(30 plus),various ranges(18 yards to 450+ yards) all were one shot kills,(when I hit the animal). I've yet to kill anything bigger than an BULL Elk with one but hope to test one on a Cape Buffalo next March. A good test would be Nilgai on the King Ranch. Maybe Barnes would sponsor a trip for their biggest fan.

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from Thad Davidson wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Folks . . .Since we're talking about bullets and accuracy and hunting effectiveness here, a question if I may:I've read recent articles in Handloader magazine and another shooting magazine proclaiming excellent accuracy potential and devastating one-shot kill results with Berger VLR or XLR bullets (I may have incorrectly stated the exact name of the bullet, but it started out life originally as a target bullet)in a variety of calibers ranging from .257 Roberts to .300 Winchester Mag. Anyone out there in have personal experience in their own rifles/shooting/hunts with Berger bullets?

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from Guess Who! wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Amen Brother Kerry Sr.I’m thinking of a short novel,“How dead is dead!”Or,“Is our deer mutating into Cape buffalo?”

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from Kerry Sr. wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

That all great for the sake of debate. I like to keep it simple and without a question. My glass beded, free floating .270 short fat with 140 Accubond's puts them all in a 1/4 inch, and will do it every time. I guess some just have to play with everything all the time, if it aint broke don't fix it...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Devil_DogInteresting that you say your Remington CDL .35 Whelen doesn't like Nosler bullets. I bought some of Nosler's Custom ammo in .35 Whelen with 225 grain partitions. They didn't shoot as well as the 225 gr. TBBC loaded by Federal, which I have hunted with for several years. Nor did they achieve the advertised 2725 fps in my rifle ( Rem 700 22 inch bbl) On the other hand, the Federal 225 gr TBBC advertised at 2600 fps averages 2623 fps 15 feet from the muzzle. The Nosler's did no better. I have never recovered a 225 gr TBBC. Always full penetration with good wound channel.My Mark V Weatherby also does not like Nosler bullets, but my Winchester .257 Roberts shoots them much better than I can!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Pastor L.Here’s your link to Barnes bullets.http://www.barnesbullets.com/A 12-gage sabot bullet, Sounds awesome!By the way, those sub MOA’s are not a fluke! Just watch your overall length, the distance from your bullet touching the lands. I would use the over all length the Barnes reloading book calls for, if not just a tad deeper. I don’t believe in seating the bullet just touching the lands gives you more accuracy theory and if it did I wouldn’t do it. In fact it’s the best way to blowup a rifle! Basically, if you seat the bullet to have a gap of .32 inch from the rifling and another load where the bullet is seated to touch the rifling. The bullet touching the rifling will be 150 fps faster due to increased pressure. With the Barnes Bullets the pressures maybe higher. Someday I will load Barnes-X bullets, but I’m completely satisfied in what I use now shooting ½ MOA and 150 to 250fps faster than factory loads.

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from Pastor L. wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Can I get then XXX bullets in 12 gauge?

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from CoRoMo wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Just began what will be a lifetime of reloading. Don't know as much as you guys, but I definitely want to try the XXX's in my .270 Ruger M77. I'm extremely impressed with its out of the box accuracy using Winchester 130 gr. power points. Once I got the Leupold 3x9 40mm zeroed in, the very first 3shot group of this rifle's life measured sub moa. Maybe just a fluke, but I want to handload to the fullest potential of this gun, and it looks like the XXX's is a good place to start.

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from Gerald Keller wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I have loaded and shot Triple Shot X's(I always call them TSX's)in 270WSM,140gr.,280 Ackley,140gr.,338-06,185 and 225gr.All shoot under an inch,the best being the 280 Ackley at around 3/8".225's from the 338-06 around 1/2".Only one used on game so far is the 280.Two complete pass throughs of both shoulders of a moose at about 110-120 yards.Moose went about three feet!First shot took top off the heart.Second.because moose didn't know it was dead yet and still took a step,broke off side leg.Similar results on Caribou,one shot.Taking the 338-06 to Newfoundland next month with the 185gr.bullets for moose and will report back then.Never tried regular X's or XLC's,but have some 160gr.X's i'm going to try in 338 Federal this year for deer and hog.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

To be fair about the Barnes BulletsMy personal opinion is giving the Barnes bullets a lot of thought; it’s too much of a bullet for my area due to the population of other Hunters, cows or both. The bullet just keeps on going!I found this blog statementBy Steve RapalyeaAugust 18th, 2007 at 7:26 pmI started using your “X” bullets circa 1995 and wish I had known about them sooner. All velocities mentioned are actual chronograph velocities at 15′. The first rifle I used them in was a Browning Stainless Stalker .270. With little effort I got 5 shot 7/8″ groups @ 3100 fps with the 130 gr. “X”. A great long range load but the deer I have killed with it were at close range and none of the bullets were recoverd. Performance was excellent.I did recover a 165 gr .308 bullet @ 2600fps. I made a bad shot hitting the buck in the left rear ball socket. The bullet went forward the full length and was recovered between hide and meat between the neck and opposite front shoulder. The buck was only about 80 yds. The cleaned bullet was still 165 grns. and measured .607.Two cow elk hit through the front shoulders circa 75 yds. with the previous load dropped at the shot. Neither bullet was recovered.This year I’m using the 7mm 140 gr. Triple Shock @ 3225 from my 7WSM. I’m expecting the same outstanding results!

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Hi Mark,I've been around, just haven't posted much. My outrage-o-meter doesn't work very well in the August heat so I've had a summer-long case of who-the-hell-cares? But dove season is just around the corner and there's nothing like the promise of a good dove shoot to stir our contrarian spirits. I expect epic arguments in the future...

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Steve RapalyeaAugust 18th, 2007 at 7:26 pmI started using your “X” bullets circa 1995 and wish I had known about them sooner. All velocities mentioned are actual chronograph velocities at 15′. The first rifle I used them in was a Browning Stainless Stalker .270. With little effort I got 5 shot 7/8″ groups @ 3100 fps with the 130 gr. “X”. A great long range load but the deer I have killed with it were at close range and none of the bullets were recoverd. Performance was excellent.I did recover a 165 gr .308 bullet @ 2600fps. I made a bad shot hitting the buck in the left rear ball socket. The bullet went forward the full length and was recovered between hide and meat between the neck and opposite front shoulder. The buck was only about 80 yds. The cleaned bullet was still 165 grns. and measured .607.Two cow elk hit through the front shoulders circa 75 yds. with the previous load dropped at the shot. Neither bullet was recovered.This year I’m using the 7mm 140 gr. Triple Shock @ 3225 from my 7WSM. I’m expecting the same outstanding results!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Have fun!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

What I have read about reloading Barnes X bullets and the problems associated with them. I’m going to step out on this one.

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from Mark wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Bullet talk always fascinates me. It’s where the butter comes to the bread in this hunting and shooting game. However, I believe the most big game field shooting I did was 13-rounds one year in the same rifle. I, of course, shot considerably more from a rest in that same year.Dave found remarkable accuracy in a new bullet and asked the Bloggers if they had the same results. 90% missed that question! I’m interested in the feedback because maybe I should modernize my hunting bullets. For 25-years I’ve used Speer and Serria’s for my big game rifles, and settled on Hornady’s for varmints. I’ve yet to find .45-cal bullets better than Hornady 500-grain solids or there 500-grain softpoints to handle these BIG New York Woodchucks and T-Rex’s. I do load Speer 350-grain bullets in .45-caliber, but haven’t used them on game yet. I have to have Faith in Speer propaganda.Sooo…..guys and gals, How about answering the Dave’s question.O, Yes. Chad Love: Good to see your prose. Where've you been? Hunting, I hope.

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from tom wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Dave,I think that ANY bullet that is in current "mass" production when hand loaded by a competent person can shoot it well with minimal effort (this is like comparing Ford to Chevy). The true test is what it does when it hits its planned mark. At magnum pressures with the right fuel and powder quantity, we can get them ALL to shoot well.Lets cut the BS……..There is a huge difference between the “off the shelf deer hunter” and people who live for ballistics and hunting. I understand that the mainstream reader at F&S (80%) is a whitetail/elk hunter who has a good gun, with a good scope and goes out and kills their game and pays their annual subscription……..The other 20% which participate in this Blog are the hand loaders and perfectionist who know how to make a bullet hit its mark and shoot sub moa.I know that you are not a BS artist, tell us about your upcoming hunts and what gun you are going to carry when it comes time to shit or get off the pot. That is what we find interesting.Sorry for the rant, I just think that the people in this Blog are on another level and we would like to learn from the real knowledge that you are capable of.I write this with all due respect to your knowledge and character.Tom

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from larry wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

HAVE NOT TRIED TRIPLE X'S/you may want to try the XLC's, my 264 win. prints best group's ever with old 3x9 leupold mod. 700 BDL of 70's vintage. I also am able to load to max. powder load with no sign af pressure problem I had with all other bullets I have used. Near one hole group and deadly on game without the usual horrendous tissue damage. Very spendy, I use only for game! By the way, this rifle has astounded many with out of box accuracy, maybe you have a reason? Has been suggested rifle barrel made on new tooling, ect.

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from dillonaero 134d wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

dave, seems everybody got off the question you asked. i shoot the XXX 150grBT in a "factory" remington 7mmSTW 88.7gr H1000 and shoot 3/4 to 1 inch 5 shoot groups at 100yds. A little more powder or a little less goes all to hell, same with my headspacing. the barnes seem to be good bullets, just have to have them RIGHT where they want to be. they are not very forgiving.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Devil_DogIf your rifle loves Hornady bullets and you not shooting Cape buffalo, I’d stick with that load. Because of the solid copper design, a tighter bore may be a problem that would result in higher pressure. I don’t know folks; Hornady and Nosler bullets always delivered clean one shot kills including my Moose (Hornady 225) and phenomenal accuracy with my Kool-Aid budget. I just like to shoot too much to switch over to $$$’s. I’m thinking hard and looking at Remington’s 264 Win Mag! A 140 Hornady SST would work great for me. Besides I’ll always have my Browning 338 Win Mag on standby!

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from Devil_Dog wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

My Remington 700 CDL in .35 Whelen doesn't like the triple shocks at all. Not only did I get poor groups, but I saw signs of excessive pressure early on while working up the load. Now to be fair, this rifle also dislikes any Nosler bullet. Hornady seems to be its one true love, and with these it is an excellent shooter. As for performance on game I can only offer my "instance of one" experience using Barnes X-bullets in out of a shotgun. At about 50-60 yards I shot a large deer through the chest, hitting a bit higher up in the lungs than I would have preferred. None the less, 75 yards later he was down and out with a 12 gauge hole in one side, and a 12 gauge hole out the other. Tissue damage indicated the bullet expanded and did its job. Conclusion; the bullet did what is was made to do, nothing more and nothing less.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

My best groups always come from Nosler Ballistic Tips. I have not tried the Barnes XXX bullet and am not sure if any factory loads are available in many calibers. Federal Premium always seems to be the most accurate factory load in my guns but my Ruger No.1 7mm Mauser only likes Norma, which are discontinued but luckily I have several hundred. Remington factory loads have never impressed me but those Win. .22 Lubalox coated ? bullets only available in boxes of fifty for around $2.50 will out shoot federal Gold Medal Match and Eley TenX in my 10/22 Deluxe Sporter with .920 etc...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

To Steve C, Posted by: Steve CMan you got us confused their brother. If the 7th 8th, 90th or 900th round would fly, explain to me how come all the rounds I’ve shot in high power competition, the fliers was all to operator error, and not the gun or ammo? Barrel or chamber warming would cause the group to wide at times. But with today’s ammunition manufacturing, they duplicate every lot practically to no noticeable degree.If the 1st, 4th, 7th 8th, 90th or 900th round would fly, I would have lost a many events!

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

"To Steve C: If a rifle shoots five different bullets of weights ranging from 225 grains to 275 grains and never breaks a minute of angle, and then, with the sixth bullet does just that, it do make one wonder, don't it?"Yep. What's causing that may depends on the seventh, eighth, ninth, or ninth bullets. Or you may open a new box of shells and find a new, tight group elsewhere on the target.It was the set-in-concrete, "can only be attributed to..." conclusion that chafes me. You sound like those guys on Myth Busters you disparage so much.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Looks like Dave Petzal is ready to drill some holes in 1 inch thick plate steal with his 338 RUM!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

If your shooting less than 1 MOA, I quess a 23.5 inch barrel, 338 RUM is great.My ears hurt just thinking about it!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Dave PetzalAre you using Walkers Game ears to protect your hearing? That shorter barrel and all that powder must really hurt the eardrums! The 24 inch barrel 300 Win Mag I had was bad enough.CENTERFIRE RIFLE VELOCITY VS. BARREL LENGTHMuzzle Velocity Range (ft./sec.) Approx. Change in Muzzle Velocity per 1" Change in Barrel Length (ft./sec.)2000-2500 102500-3000 203000-3500 303500-4000 40

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I would like to see XXX’s 130-grain bullet in 308 cal. Talk about putting your 30 cal on steroids! WOW!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

The biggest problem with hunting bullets what happens from ignition to final rest. So why are those finding me so offensive on the super magnums, here’s why? The problem is that the average shot is less than 175 yards, more likely less than 100 actually. Pushing the bullet at such a velocity, upon impact it starts to self-distruct just like a varmint bullet. I’ve witnessed this several times on Moose were hunters shooting 30-06 vs 300 Magnums. I find that at close distance using lead bullets, 30-06’s would have deeper penetration. Using the XXX’s, this will solve this problem. The only problem I do see at shooting at close range is the bullets ability to stabilize before impact. Referencing Colonel Hatchers notebook, if you took two identical 30-06 rounds loaded with a full metal jacketed bullet and fire both into oak planks, one at 50 feet and one at 200 yards. Although the round at 200 yards lost velocity, it penetrated far deeper (30+ inches) than the one at 50 feet (13 inches). 200 yards you can see the bullet path is a straight line. The round at 50 feet the bullet tumbled upon impact, just like stories of the Vietnam M16 bullet 55-grain fmj with a barrel with a 1-14 twist.I would like to see XXX’s 130 grain bullet in 308 cal. I Talk about outing your 30 cal on steroids! WOW!

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from Dave Petzal wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

To Smith Dewlen: Bushnell Elite 4200 set on 10X.To Steve C: If a rifle shoots five different bullets of weights ranging from 225 grains to 275 grains and never breaks a minute of angle, and then, with the sixth bullet does just that, it do make one wonder, don't it?To Chris: 180-grain Swift A-Frames. I hear very good things about the XXXs, but I don't have the experience on game with them that I do with the Swifts.To Clay Cooper: The average velocity loss, with bullets ranging from 225 grains to 275 grains, is 38 fps. I wouldn't care if I lost 100 fps. In the real world it's a meaningless amount. 200 fps and I start to worry. As for how XXXs perform at 400 to 600 yards, I don't know. I'm not a big fan of shooting at those distances.

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Geez, just looked on the Barnes website. Do they even make the X bullet in a 150-grain .30 caliber any more? I know those were 150 grainers in that PMC ammo. Of course, this was 1992 or thereabouts. Things change...

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Hmmm, I thought Triple-Shock alluded to the price...I have no experience with the XXX but back in college when I subsisted on ramen noodles, rabbits and venison I was rummaging through the bargain bin at a now-defunct gun store in Norman, Okla. and found a box of PMC .30/06 ammo loaded with 150-grain X bullets. They were cheap so I bought 'em, shot a few through the beat up old FN mauser that was my all-I-had-so-do-it-all gun back then and took it hunting that fall. I think I shot two deer and a few assorted coyotes with that box of ammo. Both deer were bang-flops. I never did recover a bullet but they apparently worked as advertised.Don't know why I never used X bullets again, maybe because I was (and remain, for that matter) a bit low on the socio-economic ladder and was always scrounging for cheap ammo. I never did find any more cheap stuff loaded with X bullets.A good reason to take up reloading, I know...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

a stainless 700 BDL whose 26-inch barrel was chopped back to 23.5 because a 26-barrel is fine for pole vaulting, but not hunting?This article should be, How to destroy a rifle! I think I’m going to be sick! Chopping a 26-inch Magnum like the 338 RUM? That’s criminal!Bigger boom and something around 80 to 100 fps loss.My question about the XXX’s, how do they perform at 400 to 600 yards?

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from Chris wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

How about their (Triple-Shock’s) performance on game? I understand they are suppose to retain nearly 100% of their weight which, I imagine, makes them penetrate nearly anything, but what about damage? In something moving at hyper-speed like a, 300 RUM, I imagine it does fine, but what about something more modest like a 270 Win or a 7mm-08? I am under the impression that a bullet that losses some weight will do more damage and, on deer size game, I am more concerned about a quick kill than losing a pound of summer sausage.I am slowly but surely improving my socio-economic rank and would like to try an African Plains game hunt in the near future. Would this bullet in something like a 300 Win Mag. (180gr) be a good choice, or should I go with something that sheds some weight (does more damage?) like an Accubond?Or…should I let this whole shed weight = more damage theory go, because I am ignorant and have no idea what I am talking about based on my paltry experience with whitetails.

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from PbHead wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Keep me informed of things I cannot afford. It gives me hope. I usually scounge the gun shows for partial boxes of mundane bullets at closeout prices. Why not call these bullets X3? That three should have been a superscript, read X Cubed. This would keep the mathematicaly inclined hairsplitters happy.

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I was fine until I got to the part "...and can only be attributed to the bullet."Even under the most charitable of circumstances, this is baloney. Shooting consistently tight groups is the proverbial three-legged stool. You seem to credit one leg as being is more important than the other two.

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from Smith Dewlen wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I have a question on the tight groups you obtained.What scope did you use for the testing and what power rating was it set for?Thanks for the info.

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