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August 16, 2007

No Longer Trendy: The .300 Weatherby

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

First, the .300 Weatherby has committed the cardinal sin of becoming old. Introduced in 1944, commercial ammo was first available in 1948, which makes it either 63 or 59. Some cartridges, like the .45/70, are so old that they become trendy by dint of their sheer age. The .300, however, falls into that netherworld where it is Old News.

Second, as an all-around rifle, it is not a particularly good choice for the average shooter because it is a handful. Recoil is not particularly awful, but the noise and muzzle blast are considerable, and it's a lot more than many people can handle.

Third, for a truly all-around rifle, it lacks bullet weight (this is said with the knowledge that it has killed everything on earth, and I do mean everything, many, many times over); for an all-around rifle I'd rather have its larger brother, the .340 Weatherby.

This said, I like it so much that I own three .300 Weatherbys, the only rifle that I own three of. It is a highly specialized long-range load for genuinely big game, and as that, it has few peers and no betters.

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from Weng Yong wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

I own a Vanguard 300 Wby with 180 gn Nosler partition ballistic tips topped with a tasco 6-24 x 50. In the West Australian outback there is nothing better for long range shots on camels and anything else in the way. Quick experience with my 300. I met up with my friend who loves his 270 (not knocking it, as I love it too) decided to do some long range shooting. At our desired location it just so happened that some goats came by our way. This was the perfect oppurtunity. With no way of measuring the distance we estimated that the distances were about 600-700 metres. As I went to line one up my friend asked me what I was aiming at. He used the binos and said "Theres no bloody way !!! Thats 900 metres !!!! (i think he was exaggerating) Anyway I lined up the goat, took the shot and we bothed witnessed the disappearence of the goats head. What followed that was alot of profanity from my friend, and a "CAN I HAVE A SHOT" After that he was down to the local gunshop to buy him a 300 Wby. Made me laugh because on closer inspection, his purchase was a 300 Win Mag. He was pissed that he just blew $1500AU on it. He said he still wants the Weatherby, and will get one soon.Botom line is, the 300 does perfect for my sort of hunting and it is one of the best purchases Ive made. I love the 300 and it is my favourite calibre.Recoil ?? Dont be soft. If you knock it because you cant handle it then some shooter you are.Expensive ?? Dont be cheap. So you dont want to pay for quality then thats your problem and not anyone elses.Just dont like it ?? Dont put it down. Everyone I know personally who has shot the Wby has been more than impressed by it.

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from Bart wrote 6 years 2 days ago

I had always wanted a 300 Weatherby Mag, and finally got one a couple years ago. Its a German made Mark V and I love it. I had to wait many years to get it, being in the Army I could not afford to buy one. Now that I own it, I can see why it appealed to me so many years. Its a beautiful gun, and shoots better then any gun I own. I do not know how good the newer guns are, but this German made Weatherby is a beautiful example of craftmenship. It not only shoots good, but is beautiful to look at. I look forward to shooting my first Elk with it, when I get lucky enough to draw a tag.

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from zeofven wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

I own a German Mark V in 300 WBY and very pleased with it. However, even I must agree to the ORIGINAL comment that it is NOT the best all around cartridge. Cartridges are ludicrously expensive, and in North America at least, way overkill on power. Deer rifle? 30-30 is more than enough, just use marksmanship. .308 Win and 30-06 are much cheaper and still delivers most animals to their maker. With that said, I don't shoot for fun, I shoot to kill and eat, so one round is all I need. My friend whose name is 45 ACP will cover will back me up if I miss and animals get angry......

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from j.s wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

the .257 weatherby magnum is the ultimate long range deer caliber.it smokes the pathetic 25-06.you donkey.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I alternate using the 300 winches-ter mag and 300 wby mag in the open fileld with good results. Re-mington 870 shotgun with fully ri-fled bbl and sabot slugs for the brush and short fields, good results also.All have scopes.Inser-ted 2 layers of foam inside a worn hunting vest on right chest to pad recoil.Who says there is a recoil?use ear protection or you will have a ringing phone in both ears.LOL

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from Locke Mellott wrote 6 years 22 weeks ago

I have used both the .30-06 and the .300 Weatherby extensively on both deer and elk. While I believe that a .30-06 is probably the best all around rifle for any one person in North America it in no way can compare to the down range authority that a .300 Weatherby delivers. A shooter must realize however, that the velocity demand of the Weatherby places a much higher importance on bullet selection, and light for caliber, conventional cup and core bullets will not penetrate as deeply as in the '06.The rifle does deliver a thump on the shooter end and requires some preventative thinking when target shooting or at the range. Otherwise, a flinch will develop and compromise a shooter's ability.Meat destruction will be greater than a .30-06 in most cases, especially if large muscle groups are encountered by the bullet.On the flip side, if you are looking for a gun that puts the hammer down on long distance big game, there are not many calibers that can hold a candle to this rig. A good 180-200 grain bullets will provide long distance power and penetration for all non dangerous game in North America.When big game animals are shot at ranges of greater than 300 yards with '06 type calibers, often times the animal will run off and die a fair way from the place of impact. Rarely is this so with the Weatherby. The extra velocity and power usually gives the hunter an additional 200 yards of usable hunting power over a standard caliber. For example, the 200 grain bullets will deliver as much power at 600 yards as a .270 Winchester can deliver at 150 yards. The bigger bullets handle the western winds far better as well.So, if you plan to do most of your hunting in cover with 200-250 yard shots, definitely go with the .30-06. If however, long range 300-500 yards shots are regular hunting fare, and elk, bear, or moose is on the hunted list, the .300 Weatherby will be a gun you can not only rely on, but continually be amazed at the consistent bang flop deaths you will see on deer sized game.Have fun.

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from Mike Strehlow wrote 6 years 24 weeks ago

The .300 Weatherby isn't our first pick for all around cartridge because it usually doesn't come in all-around rifles. You don't want a 26" barrelled, nine pound rifle for whitetails in the woods. A good all around rifle should be a reasonably short, light rifle for close cover deer (22" barrel at the most; WSMs get an extra inch of barrel due to shorter action length), shoot fairly flat to 300 yards for sheep and pronghorn, and strike a conclusive blow at that range for elk. If this sounds like a .30-06, .270, or .280, then you know why so many once-in-a-lifetime custom guns are made in those calibers.

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from Live in the NW wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

This will give some of you something to grouse about.Buying a Weatherby MV Accumark300 WBY Mag w/Accubrake, and adding Burris 4-16 BD w/B Mil Dot.Adding that to: 700 Rem ADL 30:06, Marlin 30:30 Lever (can't be beat in heavy brush)and WBY Van 270. WSM.I reload.If I could only own one it would be Rem 06. 300 WBY is for long range deer in north Idaho canyon country. Plus I have a 17.HRM LOVE IT Sagerats at 100 yds.

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from Live in the west wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

To Rocky Mnt Hunter:Why do you even need a side arm?Are you hunting in bear country?Just a question.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

RMH, I haven't had that pleasure but an old man I knew that has passed used to go to an island in Mississippi where they ran deer with dogs and used buckshot. He said it was one of the best experiences of his life as he was disabled from WWII. His only regret was they wouldn't let him use his '06 the only caliber he ever owned any weapon in. Sure dropped them Krauts he used to say...

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Dr. RalphI bought a Vanguard in 300 mag. Was a ok firearm but, was more gun than my small l24 lb frame could handle. So,sold it and bought a Winchester 70 in 300 WSM (WSM was advertised as less recoil), not the case with me. The recoil on the WSM was more than the 300 mag.(both the above were package deals). So again sold them and bought the Rem 700 CDL in 30-06, added l+ lbs of lead shot to the Walnut stock, installed a new Nikon Monarch 3x9x40 using Leupold Dual Dove tail mounts/rings/base. For my style of hunting/shooting, this set up is a dream. I could not ask for a better combo than this for me. I use Rems new Scirocco's in l80 grs out west and have killed game at 345 yds, one shot. I hate to purchase anything made outside the USA, but it has become impossible for most items we have to buy. Sooner or later I fear a 3rd world Country is gonna buy the US out, many have a good start in that direction. I continue to hear Ammo is in short supply????? not so, just that the mfgers using the Iraq war as excuse to increase price of AMMO.( I understand they using 308's in Iraq to fight with, right?)The Scirocc's l80's have gone up about 22 % since last year, as I bought 4 boxes last week . Its pratice time and checking zero time prior to the Rockies( I use Core-lokts for pratice then the Scirocc's ( 3 sessions of 3 shots) for dble checking 0. O well, I;ve blabbed enough. Time to get in some serious pratice and sort out the junk I think I need out in the Rockies. Side note: Have you ever hunted w-tails in E-Va where they run the deer out of the thick paper Company forrest with hounds? It's a great experience, as you must use a shotgun with buck shot, plus you never know where the deer will come into view or range for shotgun. I have hunted there for a week for the past 35 yds and will again this fall. It's a different hunt, never a dull minute once the dogs are turned loose. Should try that hunt if possible. Sure is different from the sit quite, be stell,from before light to after dark. O well, again what one whants in life is important to him only.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

RMH, Old gunslinger, buy a $399 Zeiss Conquest or splurge for the $459 44mm and a $399 Vanguard and you will still have one half Japanese components in your rifle scope combo and I guarantee you will be holding a cheaper more accurate version of what you hunt with now... and your Zeiss will make you swear off Nikon's forever. I have two and my Kahles can't hold a candle to either one.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

That Wesatherby Vanguard looks okuntil you read down next to the stock (almost hidden near where bbl fits action on left side of bbl.) MADE IN JAPAN>. That kinda turns me off. Hate to support those people, when so many Americans out of work. A good example is Winchester.I read last week, that the Model 70 is coming back, but, made in JAPAN. Some items we must buy from JApan if we get that Item. I'll admit, I buy and use Nikon Scopes/rangefinders, but until I find a better quality in either I will use those I have. Leupold is not the quality to Nikon by far. That will be a debatable subject I bet. As for Bushnell, just a high Dollar Cheapo like Simmons, and many others on the Market. All these combo packages(firearm,scope mounted, sling, hard case) have a 29.95 scope mounted in Allum. bases and rings. What happened to steel? With the light wt firearms, and ammo loaded for a tank, those cheap scopes will not last a season. I know, as I got both Bushnell's, and Simmons, and just waiting for a trade for anything.PS; what happened to the Howa bbls that use to be on all the Vanguards? As for bbls, I kinda like the Button rifled bbls on Savage firearms, and this new Rem 715 does have a button bbl, guess will have to buy one to try out.'O', another excuse to buy another firearm.What Caliber this time????????. TO GARCIA: WITH jAGGERS $$$ HE CAN BUY ANYTHING BUT HIS YOUTH BACK./ GUY LOOKS LIKE A MUMMY FRom DARK AGES. aND, IF i HAD HIS $$$ i THINK i COULD BUY ANYTHING i WANTED, OTHER THAN GOOD HEALTH, WHICH i LOST l7 YRS AGO.

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from O Garcia wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

The Weatherby Vanguard should be the perfect rifle - straightforward reliable operation, amazing accuracy, low price - except it is not for left handers like me. And Dave.As Mick Jagger sings: you can't always get what you want.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

One last comment: Any firearm capable of killing a Elk is ample firearm for most any animal. Use any firearm that you can shoot well and is accurat and with enough juice to down your game with one shot. Be it a high $ Weatherby or cheaper single bbl H&R. Most of us hunters never have enough firearms, we continue to see a new idition we love.If could afford the firearms and the hunting trips I so dearly love to take, I would buy and take a new gun each year. When all is said and done, in my experience of 60 ys of big game hunting, the 30-30 was fine on w-tails, then when I wrnt west for Elk, the 30-06 filled the bill and has ever since. A 30-06 with the best Ammo available is ample for me and most any other hunter. Place your shots for a one shot kill. Before you go, get in lots of pratice with a bolt gun or what-ever you will take. Any quality Ammo is not cheap, sure not Wally-World brand. HIgh dollar/quality ammo is the cheapest investment you will make on a 5-10K hunt. If you cannot afford the best ammo,then stay home and use a 22. AS for firearms, many cheaper brands will shot well. One that comes to mind is the Savage, been around many years. Not a fancy gun but a pratical one and does shot well and on target with a quality scope. No doubt Weatherby is a quality firearm, but do believe we paying for some fancy stuff not needed for a great shot.For my built and arm reach, a Remington model 700 fits and shoots perfect for my style of hunting.I Own many, and all shoot to point of aim. But again, to each his own and what he can shoot perfect each time a animal presents itself for a quality shot. When go west this fall a new Remington 700 SPS goes along for that miserable weather day and will be in 30-06 caliber. O can smell the great outdoos already. Good hunting.See you in the Rockies, I pray

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

I;ve asked this question prior,but got no replies. Any you guys own/shot a Uberti in 45 LC. If so what is your opinion. I need a extra side arm for the Western hunts that I can carry in a shoulder harness. I walk with a cane or hunting sticks and need the side gun up high. All replies appreciated. If the Uberti not on your list, how about the Bounty Hunter by EAA in 45 LC. Also, am gun crazy, any info on the new Remington Model 715, quality, appearence, function, accuracy? I need a 4 wheeler knock-about rifle in 270 or 06.Gunslinger down South

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

If ammo keeps you at home, then you can;t afford to go period. As for Wetherby Ammo's cost, the Rem. Scirocco's Bonded is about 45.00 a box. No good Ammo is cheap. But spending from 5 to l0K for a hunt, what is a extra l00.00 for ammo. I'd use cheaper Ammo for pratice,but buy teh best available for the hunt. All outfitters say bring 2 boxes of ammo, packed in 2 different cases, just in case one is misplaced. It has happened to me before, so learn the hard way. If you don;t feel safe by carrying ammo on the plane, then ship some ammo directly to the outfitter(by UPS) or Cabelas' as I did last year in WY.All I want is opportnity to go hunting, to heck with the ammo, I'll bet some , can bet on that.Again, just wish I could have afforded a MArk V 40 yrs ago in some caliber that I could handle the recoil today. But we live and learn. If had the opportunity to go Elk hunting in Am, I'd find a gun and ammo, if had to PAWN all else I own. Good hunting guys, shoot lots and straight.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Right on WA Mtnhunter... If you think .300 Wby. Mag. is hard to find try looking for .257's! Next time I'm out west an antelope will have my name on it and I will be carrying a .257 with FOUR boxes of ammo in the truck. DON'T LEAVE HOME WITHOUT THEM...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Now what hunter worries about cartridge availability in the Rocky Mountain states, the general store, Montana gas station, etc.?Why the heck would you go anywhere other than your local gun range with less than 2 boxes of ammo for EACH caliber rifle?If you can't afford an extra $40 box of good ammo, then you probably can't really afford the hunting trip until gasoline or diesel comes down to under $1.00 a gallon, which is likely never. Get the rifle in the caliber that suits you and don't worry about it as long it is a mainstream load. If Federal, Hornady, or Remington loads it and Cabela's sells it out of the catalog, it is likely it is available enough to consider.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Nothing wrong with the Weatherhy, wish I had bought a MArk V years ago, but $$$$ was a issue then and I got to using Remington's and continue to do so today. I do not handload, however, I buy cheapo ammo for pratice and the best Ammo available to hunt with.My poor health and age of 72 makes a 300 anything a little on the heavy side. I can handle the 06 just fine by adding l lb lead to wood stock and scope, etc. gun is near l0 lbs. I don;t climb the hills and mtns, I can;t walk but a few yards, so wt of gun is not a issue for me. The l0 lbs reduces the recoil on my 124 lb frame and I feel confident with the Rem 700 in 06. Until a few yrs back I used a 742 Auto out west, but a guide once would not allow me to have one in the chamber till time to shoot. You know the noise the lever makes when you release it loading the shell into the chamber,(can be heard for miles) therefore I had to go to a Bolt gun for the ease of sliding a shell into the chamber. I still use the 742 in 06 Auto on my farm here in the south.My problem now, is my health, if were able to do so I would hunt the Rockies each year in as many states as i culd draw that did not conflict with the other states. thats why I like MT, they have a 5-6 week season. Love Colorado, but the 5 to 9 day season is too short, and tags in MT cheaper for the combo Deer/Elk, and easier to draw as a combo deal.AS I;ve stated on this Blog many times, if you ever hear a Bull Elk Bugle in the Rockies, you are ruined for life. If I had plenty of $$$$ and good health, I'd hunt every day a season was open in the West.But can;t complain, I do manage to go out most every year or at least every-other year.All depends on how much I spend on last years hunt? My expenses is I must have a companion along, and that cost $$$ as well. So really paying for 2 hunters other than the licenses. Its near 2500 miles to Missoula, Mt. been thinking of maybe next year taking the Train, providing not to many days and stops.Anyway. Will be happy just to get back out there and hear that Bugle again. Shoot straight,,and pratice a lot, regrdless of firearm you use. A 22 bolt gun is also a good pratice weapon. I shoot every day for 3 months prior to my leaving home to go.Once my hunting rifle is shooting where I expect it to ( and not l" to 2" height at 100 yds) I;m talking of shooting at 200 and 300 yds, rather than the guess at 100 yds. All guns will not shoot accurate at 200+ yds, based on a 1-2" high at 100. I got a custom built that at l00 yds is perfect,beyond is lousy, all over target. It's looking for a new home when-ever I can find a buyer with the $$$$l2K.000. Hunt tomorrow as if it's your last hunt and enjoy every-minute of it. The old Gunslinger down south

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Certainly in the grand scheme of things paying somewhat more for ammo is inconsequential. What is definitely an issue is FINDING the ammo to feed your chosen rifle. You will find .30-06 just about anywhere, ditto .270 Win, .308, .25-06, .30-30, usually .300 Win Mag. Finding .300 Wby Mag is probably relatively simple in elk country but I would not know that for sure; never having been out that way for hunting. I do know that the smaller gun and general stores in my neck of the woods don't stock it.As I do not handload I stick to cartridges with readily available factory ammo which will handle the animals I hunt humanely.

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from Bluto wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

I'd just like to comment on the misconception that .300 weatherby ammo is to expensive.I agree that the weatherby brand name is pricey,but the ammo is available from different manufactures and the price is comparable to other calibers.Then there is the option of reloading.You can use any.30slug you wish,and load it to your recoil preference.I have found once fired Remington brass at gun shows for under $.75/case.Ive used this cartrige in a Remington 700(PURCHASED 15 YRS AGO FOR $650 NEW)for everything from whitetail to moose and found it excellent all around.Match your loads to the game,and you get proper results.It all comes down to personal choice when choosing a caliber to shoot and some are better than others for certain tasks,but if like myself you cant afford to have several rifles I find this caliber does the job. If I take the time to do my homework and find the best bullet/load combo for the game Im after.

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from Gibbsfeed wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Well, I came across this discussion and just can't avoid throwing my two cents in. I hunt elk and do it my self. I go cheap too. I drive from SE Texas to SW Colorado, and hunt 5 days for less than $1250 including the tag. That's gas, food, everything. I have a 30-06, 7mm Mag, 300 WBY, 340 WBY (my dad's). I will carry any of these rifles, but prefer the WBY. I shoot all to practice. My point is that if I wait all year to hunt and spend whatever I do spend, I'm not going to worry about doubling my ammo cost. That's not an issue. If I'm that sensitive to it, I can't afford to hunt. My vehicle costs $30K, rifles are $500-1000 each, gear is probably $1000 or more, gas is $3/gal. Ammo is a non-issue. That said, the 30-06 is much more fun to shoot, but when your looking at 350-430 yard shots late in the day, the confidence level (sheer mathematics) is always higher when your hands are wrapped around the Weatherby. MPBR may be minimally increased, but it's the energy downrange with 180 grain plus bullets that make these guns alluring. If you have an investment of time, money, and sweat you dont' want to be wondering about having enough gun when the chips are down. I can make the shot with the '06 at that range, but why not do it with the 300 WBY. The energy at 300 yards is the same as at the muzzle of the '06. But then I only hunt elk with it, it's not a deer gun.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

To teh guy from N.C. my home state that is moving West. By all means buy a 30-06 not one of the fanch short,fat jobs. A 30-06 is available in ammo from 55 grs to 220. I hunt teh Rockies every year, either Colorado, Montana, Wy, Nebraska, Utah and the 06 does what its suppose to. Ammo available anywher and not to pricy.I killed all the game in the Rockies other than the Griz, which I care not to. I;ve taken game with 30-06's from 50 ys to 345 yds one shots and animal dropped in his tracts. Sue a Weaterby is fancy, but fancy don;t kill game. AS for the 30-30 you got, keep it, some Mtns in the Rockies, a 30-30 is ok, espcially this new soft pointed l60 gr.job. When I go West I take 2 firearms,a Remington 700 25-06 and a Rem 700 CDL in 30-06, prior to the CDL I used a Rem Auto 742 for 30 years, and no, had no jam =up's because keep the action clean and the best Ammo available, no cheapo junk.The Auto killed a 6 x 6 Elk at 235yds one shot sing l65 gr Extended range Ammo.A 30-30 has its place out west, so hang on to it, just add a 30-06 and you will be all set to hunt all the game out there at any range. I killed a 4 x 4 deer last year in Mt. at 345 yds, l shot using l80 gr bullets.. A 30-30 is a tad short on long range hunting, but out to 200 yds with this new Ammo will be fine, hang on to it.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter. wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Just buy a Remington 700 CDL in 30-06, 24" bbl and the Scirocco Bonded Ammo l80 gr and hunt anything in North America and save hundreds of Dollars on the gun and Ammo. Plus you can buy the 30-06 Ammo at any store, try to buy that high $ Weatherby crap and you may not hunt if you run out of Ammo. Sure the Weathergy ooks good, so does the Rem, CDL in my book. I can take the $$$ saved and apply to another Rocky Mtn hunt next year.

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from 007 wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Regarding the comparison of the .303 Brit to the.308 Winchester, this is like comparing a Pinto to a Mustang. The .303 is closer to the .30-30 ballistically. Jamie, if you do go with the .308, use the 150 gr. Hdy. Interlock ahead of 46.1 gr. IMR4064, CCI 200 primer, Rem. brass, you'll be fine. No experience with the .300 Wthby, I have a .300 Win. mag. but am in the process of having a .338-06 built. CAN'T WAIT!!!

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from Bob Horrar wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

The Weatherby line or cartridges came along when there was virtually no competition. Today gun manufacturers are introducing new cartridges and models every year to boast sales. Thus the .300 has fallen out of vogue. This marketing strategy is heavily imbedded in the car manufacturing business as well. The .300 Weatherby was successful in part due to Roy Weatherby's marketing efforts and publicity which were outstanding. As a cartridge it is more that the average hunter needs or can shoot accurately. It was never a round that would shoot as accurately as a .308 Win., 30-06 etc. due to throating in the barrel, and being somewhat overbored in capacity. History and legend will keep it around for a long time, but there are too many other preferred choices in today's market.

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from Hoosier Daddy wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

http://www.subguns.com/boards/sword.cgi?read=894270 Why the illegals are here to stay - long read

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from Dr.Cepp Himmler wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

The article in Outdoor life is on page30Titled The All American Rifle.However that article does not appear to be on their website.There still appears to be a lot of contention at O/L overmilitary style weapons being used to Hunt.They may have left the article out deliberately....Maybe I'll drop them a email asking why?

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from Ozark Hillbilly wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Remember the 30-06 Accelerator? A .224 Diameter 55 grain sabot bullet tat put you in the 3800-4000fps range. Imagine a 30 cal 130 at 3700, WOW!

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from Ozark Hillbilly wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Dr. RalphAs Ol’Sarge would put it, the operational range of the Hornady 130 grain Soft Point, stock number 3020 is from 2500-3700fps. According to my Third Edition, Hornady reloading book (same book that Clay uses), 94.1 grains of H450 will give you 3700fps. Zeroed in at 200 yards, the bullet has only dropped –4.8 at 300 yards, 400yds/-14.6, 500yds/-30.9 and 600tds/-55.1. I can see where he is going with this. Less recoil, flat shooting, time is flight for fast running game and plenty of knock down on deer.I wouldn’t be too fast to judge Ol’Sgt. Cooper. The Coop, He knows His POOP! Ask him why what he says and He will tell you I’m sure. I’ve learned a lot from him in the past few months.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Sgt. Cooper, how fast could you make that puppy dance? 130 grain? 4000 fps? Sure it wouldn't disintegrate mid air? I've heard of it happening but not with that combination...

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

P.S. Ed WeatherbyWhere is that Vanguard .340 ?????

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Ok, RalphyIf Clay had a 300 Weatherby, what bullet weight would he use om deer???Hornady 130 softpoint

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Chev Jim, I'll call your WSM's and raise you the SAUM's. I'll even throw in the Ultra Mags if the odds are right. Weatherby is here to stay

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Well, I came back to the blog to make a prediction: the .300 Weatherby Magnum will outlast the .270 WSM, 7mm WSM, and even the .300 WSM. The WSMs are a great concept, but the problem is stuffing them into a short action. The bullets have to be seated too deep in the case for the cartridges to realize their ballistic potential. If they were mated to standard length actions and the bullets seated out further, then they'd be real barn burners. But that's not all. With the discontinuance of the Model 70 line, the WSMs were struck a death blow. Look at the cartridge offerings in other factory rifles, and you'll hardly ever see a WSM chambering. The .300 WSM may survive due to America's love affair with the .30 calibers. Speaking of the Model 70, I hope that it is revived--but this time built to the standard of the originals. The stock inletting on later Model 70s, such as my Safari Express, went to hell in later years. When you pay nearly $1,000 for a rifle and the barrel channel looks like it was inletted by orthodontically-challenged beavers, you know there's a real quality control problem. But just like the .30-30 would disappear if the lever-action rifle went away, the WSMs are living on borrowed time with the demise of the Model 70.

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from sam iacobone wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

dear dave,i am sighting in a 270 win 130 grain rem core lok bullet, where should that bullet hit a 100yds if i want it to be accurate at 200yds?

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

The first time my friend killed a deer with his .270 Wby. Mag. I was a couple of hundred yards away and my first thought was that it was a muzzleloader really near by. I heard a pop followed by a loud boom. The pop was the bullet fired at three times the speed of sound field dressing the deer and the boom was the gun going off. Weird sensation. Weatherby Magnum projectiles get way ahead of the gun blast, quick... GOD BLESS Roy Weatherby!

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I have owned a .300 Weatherby Mark V since 1974 and I think it is probably the most practical of the .30 magnums. Anything faster is going to be hell on barrels and will unnecessarily roughen up the shooter. Anything slower is, well, just not as good! The .300 Weatherby kills like the Hammer of Thor. It's also a very accurate cartridge and I'm pleased that less expensive rifles are chambered for it, so as to keep the cartridge going and ensure a steady supply of factory ammo. The .300 Winchester has too short of a neck for me, but I suppose it gets the job done. I also like the 7mm Weatherby over the 7mm Remington Magnum, for the same reasons. No, this cartridge isn't going to die. It'll be around as long as the .30/06!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Cooper, I tried to warn you about your .25-06 preaching. Now look where it is...

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from Mark wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Don’t get hostile on Coop.The guy yarns quite a bit since the fellow loves to story tell. There’s always some element of truth to what he writes, and I doubt the fellow is out to harm anyone although he gets defensive on his yarning at moments. E.g. I personally don’t want a fellow backing me up hunting big bear who never killed one. I don’t operate on that much Faith.I do my best to keep this Blog all in good fun and humor. I also try to keep my “yarning“ to a minimum, especially when posting my loading data. “Nuff said.

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Hey Clay, Let me pass something to you and maybe you can explain, This article about the rifle team in Ruerto Rico, it said they were getting feedback from ever yard line down range, is this something new to the shooting game? I would love to send this article to you if I could. It's just 1/2 page long. by the way, this included the People from the Ky. Air Guard also. I don't believe we shot the 600 yd. line when I shot with them.

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from Jeff Nelson wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Coop- Have a good time monopolizing this blog with your idiotic comments. Illiterate f*$cking sh@t kicker. Take your .25-06 and cram it up your a%#. I'm outta here.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

JeffYou didn’t work in Sanitation did you?Perhaps that were you get your crappy attitude from!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Wow Jeff NelsonI’m laughing at you so hard!What is your problem?So you had a successful hunt!Praise GOD!And Jeff isn’t it time for you to go back on your meds!You sound so impotent, trying to prove yourself. You don’t have to prove yourself with me. Just be happy just being out there and doing it!One more thing Jeff, what did you do in the Military?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

BuckstopperIf your rifle shoots 180 really great, might want to try Hornadys 190 BTSP. The good news about using the 180, you will know the hold over at longer ranges. Maybe you might want to get another rifle in 257 like a 25-06 for coyotes?

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from buckstopper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Clay, I have tried 150gr'in .270 but it been years since I really experimented.

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from buckstopper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

ClayI shot factory 150's Win Supreme did not work up load. Factory 180 Win Supreme worked better. Cost was a major factor to invest in dies(beside its fun). When I got dies and components just started with 180 grs then. I soon had sucess and just kept working on it. I am using a full length die but am having tight chamber even on once fired brass. In all the years I reloaded my .270, I never have had to trim brass enven after 5 or 6 reloads. It seems I may have to pay close attention to case length with this short mag case. Also I have discovered the short fat cases don't chamber as smooth as the good 'ol .270. My old M700 is smooth as greased lightnin', great for follow up shots. Getting good groups from the bench is different than the field. I have whizzed more than one buck and got 'em on the second shot. I had discovered that rifle shot high out of a clean barrel, the second shot from a fouled barrel put it back where I had grouped it at the range. Now days after sighting in I leave the barrel alone, don't clean it unless it gets wet. Then after cleaning a put a fouling shot through it before taking trip to the woods. Good thing gun club's just down the road.I haven't used 760 power in a long time. The last time has been 20+ years ago. I stopped experimenting after I found my pet .270 formula. I would load up enough shells for a couple of seasons. Usually do more shotgun reloading. My centerfire reloading is pretty spartan. I have an old single load RCBS press I used in my youth. I use to use a long teaspoon to dish out powder to the scale. Hey, it still works! I need to upgrade one of these days. BTW you have to get a really fat bullet puller for short mags.

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from Jeff Nelson wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Coop - Aircraft Maintenance? I should have known. All that flightline noise and breathing JP-4 fumes must have scrambled your brains.Yes, Coop, I can hit what I'm aiming at. In fact, last February I astounded the guide, my hunting companions, and myself with a 450 yard shot (measured) on a Barbary sheep ewe with my uncle's old pre-war M70 in (hold on) .270 Winchester. 130 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip, 61 grains of Accurate Arms MRP (discontinued) @ 3150 fps. Don't try THAT with your puny .25-06!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

That 300 WSM just might be one of those rounds hard to load for? Hope I'm wrong!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

buckstopperWhat load did you put behind that 150. Don't have reloading data for your rifle, but off the top of my head IMR4350 or Winchester 760 might do the trick. Try a Federal 215 Large Magnum Rifle Primer.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Mr. Nelson I really don’t give a rats butt what you use. The question is, can you hit with it!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

By goly, Jeff Nelson how did you know! Yes I was in Aircraft maintenance and every match to boys from Camp Pendleton showed up, they ran back home! And yes, my right shoulder in a few years might need replacement. Wow, I’m impressed. So you a crystal ball or something?Hell Jeff, I’ve been called a lot worse by better!The secret ingredient to Weatherby ammo is Viagra for those who just can’t get the range! M16A2, 600 yards and blowing wind? Now that’s a shooter!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

buckstopperHave you tried a 140 in that 270 yet?

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from buckstopper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

PS. Just read a story about nationwide shortage of ammo for police departments due to the war. I know componants have been going up for a while now and the ammo crunch hasn't hit the commercial market too bad yet except at the checkout register. I did have to look hard for the new Honardy Leverevolution ammo. I got 6 boxes for my son's 30-30. Should last a couple or 3 seasons. Shotgun lead is coming out of South America now and has about doubled in last couple of years. Anyway for the Drive-by media to report ammo shortage at police departments nation wide I hope the bad guys don't read.

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from Jeff Nelson wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Coop, as a fellow USAF Retiree, it may pain me to say this, but you are a friggin' moron. Must have been a Trans, Fuels, or Munitions troop. They only use recruits who can't get their knuckles off the ground.By the way, the heads on my wall aren't made of fiberglass. But the one on your shoulders certainly might be.

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from buckstopper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I got .300WSM last fall in a M700 Remington. I had looked at a Browning A-bolt but I am used to a Remington action and thought the A-bolt was a little awkward to me. I've had .270 M700 for about 30 years and it still shoots sub-MOA with my reload of 49gr 4064IMR behind a Hornady 130gr boattail. For years I shot it without a scope but my eyes aren't as good as they used to be so put a Leopold scope and a new Bell and Carlson stock. Besides most of my deer taken were at less than 100yds...anyway I got a wild hair and got this .300WSM because I read it has a little less felt recoil than a full length .300 Mag cartridge. As I said earlier the A-Bolt action felt strange to me so my dealer said he just got some Remingtons in .300WSM. It seems the RUSM wasn't selling so good, so the boys in green turned to Winchester. I am gearing up for a Texas whitetail hunt this fall and expect to shoot from afar. I just worked up a load with 70gr 4831 behind a 180gr SST. I tried a 150gr bullet but couldn't get the groups I wanted, I guess some rifles just like a certain weight of bullet. Anyone else have experience reloading a .300WSM?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

My bottom line on the Weatherby rifle is this. If you can accurately shoot it at a given distance accurately every time, I say GREAT good for them! Not everyone is comfortable with the recoil and they will most likely wound, gut shot or miss! I’ve seen more one shot kills on Moose with a 180 grain out of a 30-06 than most Magnums requiring a second or empty the gun several times.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Jeff Nelson, so you do all my hunting in Hollywood. Guess that's why there's so many Weatherbys around? Wow, I’m impressed! I should have known that they should have IMAX Virtual Reality Hunting in Hollywood. Sure must be nice to have a open bar behind you when your hunting Elephants and Cape Buffalo in Africa!By the way, thanks for the complement! Never rassle with a pig. You get all dirty and the pig likes it too much". In a real reality hunt, you’ll get muddy, dirty and dead tired! So you better like it! I take it that all the heads on your wall must be made out of fiberglass.Show me a person that has taken a Moose and said it was fun, I’ll show you a liar! Pull that trigger and the work begins! But the Hunter that has taken a Moose is Damn proud of it because they earned it! Even if it’s a 30 incher!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Gary SmithGreat what you said about SFC Reed. Sure makes me happy to see that our Military Folks are still shaking up the competition! If you see SFC Reed again, tell him this old Retired second generation U.S. Air Force High Power Team Member says, GO Gettem! 600 yards? Blowing wind? One hell of a shooter!By the way, about that M16A2. Nosler makes a .224 diameter 6o grain partition bullet that should be one hell of deer stopper!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Jamie throw your 30-30 away and buy a Weatherby Vanguard in .300 Wby. Mag. For $400.00 you will have a rifle that can kill anything in the world and is guaranteed to shoot one and a half inch groups @ 100 yards. Cartridges for $13.00 a box if you shop with VanHagan... You will see game at distances never imagined in North Carolina out west and this gun will be your best friend. It is the flattest shooting hardest hitting .30 caliber short of a Lazzeroni and you don't want to buy Warbirds!

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from Black Rifle Addict wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I don't believe anyone would argue the point of whether the .300 wby would make a very effective hunting round,but as a practical application it will not serve well for most hunters. As many have mentioned here the ammo is expensive, or difficult to get, and most of the rifles chambered for it are expensive to purchase.I hate to state the obvious,but the .300 Weatherby is dying from the American hunting seen, and I don't see any reason to lose sleep over it.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Jamie,The .303 British is very similar to the .308 ballistically, but lacks the variety of factory ammo. In Canada it's an old favorite backwoods moose cartridge. So don't worry about it's effectiveness: some say that it has probably killed more moose in Canada than any other cartridge. At least if you ever get the chance to hunt here you'll find 303 cartridges wherever ammo is sold!Michael

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from Phil VanHagen wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

About 20 years ago I built up a .300 Weatherby on a Mk X Mauser long magnum action. I presently use Remington ammunition and recently encountered a sale at the local Wally-world where they were getting rid of non-movers in ammunition. There were 4 boxes of Remington .300 Weatherby at $13.00 a box, needless to say I walked out with all 4.

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from Tom OB wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I have a 1958 vintage SouthgateWeatherby (made in Southgate, CA)in .300 Weatherby. Fine shooting rifle, and great for long range shooting with heavy bullets.Still a great cartridge, imho.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Maybe "not catching on" is the wrong phrase... Remington, Winchester, Browning and Ruger all are more prevalent. I see ten Remingtons to every one Weatherby in the field maybe more. Go to a large gun store and look around. Weatherby rifles are few and far between. I own a Weatherby rifle in a Weatherby caliber and am their greatest advocate on this blog. I talked my best friend who is much wealthier than I into buying a Mark V .270 Wby. Mag. just because the store was going out of business that day, was down to two rifles and it was under $1000.00 bucks. He didn't need or want the rifle and was already in trouble with his wife for buying a Lazzeroni with Swarovski attached but what the heck? Only a grand? It is the most accurate rifle he has ever held in his hands. I wish I had bought it now and hidden it from my wife because it continues to spit out groups where all the holes touch. My favorite is the .257 but if I lived out west I can assure you I wouldn't leave the house without a .300 Weatherby Magnum...

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Hey Clay,, Just read an articlein the BLUEGRASS GUARD Magazine I get, SFC Reed just took the Ky. National Guard Marksmanship team to Puerto Rico in Jan. and they took First Place in military Classification with the as issued M-16,A2 with military Ammo shooting at 300 and 600 mtrs. Shooting against N.Carolina, S. Carolina, New Mexico, New York and Puerto Rico and NRA members. Reed said it sure was hard shooting at 600 Mtrs with the wind as it was . One sure has to watch his/her trigger squeeze. I've shoot with SFC reed but not on his team. Spent a lot of time in Puerto Rico and know about the wind there. I was at Ramey Air Force Base, But I'ts closed now. Just thought I'd let you know about shooting at 600 mtrs. with the M-16...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

JamieI'd keep the .30-30 and wait for a deal on a .270, .308, or .30-06 to come along. The .303 isn't much of an elk rifle, either. the .30-30 will take any deer you can hit.SA:I was refering to the .300 Rem Ultra Mag, not the Short Action Ultra Mag (SAUM). The .300 RUM hasa larger case than the .300 Weatherby or .300 Win Mag.For .270 fans:I have seen deer and elk taken with the .270 WSM and it put them down right away. I thought it was a little light for elk until I saw Nat drop a 5x5 bull at 320 yards. And a nice 4x4 buck at about 250 the next day. Seeing is believing.... That one needs to be named "Old Deathwind" for sure!

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from Jamie wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I also have the chance to trade it for an old Lee enfield in .303 brit.Not a round I can go down to Walmart and get but will it do?

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

@Jamie who asks:Not so much to do with a .300, but "I am moving out west and currently have a .30/30 for my North Carolina backwoods.Will this be too underpowered?"It depends on where you are moving to out west and what you want to hunt. If you can afford to keep that .30-30 and it is otherwise a good rifle keep it. But you do need to add a flatter shooting round somewhere in the .270 .308 .30-06 range if you want to hunt elk, mtn sheep, or pronghorn.If you are moving to Arizona, the .30-30 is a good round for mule deer, bear, and javelina.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

WA MnthunterThe .300 RUM, and most of the other short and super short magnums, have higher chamber pressure than the longer 'traditional' magnums. Not a huge problem for most situations but this can be dangerous to the handloader (and bystanders) who trys to tweak even more speed out of them. Shooters using the short mags in hotter climates may also experience some over-pressure signs.SA

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I would not agree that the .300 Weatherby is far superior to a .300 RUM. Both have too much recoil and blast to suit me, so it really doesn't matter which is best to me.I'm glad my Weatherby Mark V (USA made) is chambered in .30-06 and sports a nice piece of walnut. A real shooter, too. Not that it will out shoot my Remington's, however.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

In its favor, the .300 Wby Mag has relatively more factory loads available than some of the other proprietary cartridges out. Also a plus it IS significantly ballistically superior to any other .30 caliber. If you need a rifle to reeeaaach out and touch with authority this is the one.Down sides include cost of the rifles and of the ammo. Recoil isn't unmanageable but is unpleasant.For my money, a .30-06 is just fine but then I don't hunt out west where animals are big and sometimes far away.Jamie had asked above whether his move from North Carolina to 'out west' means he needs to trade up from a .30-30. Probably, but before you jump, figure out where you are going to hunt and what game you will pursue; know the lay of the land and size of the animals plus your own ability so you can make the right choice.

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from Will Becker wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

The main thing is to know your rifle,and shoot a lot,whatever the caliber or make.Some guns are simply more acurate than others

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from awesomedude wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

No matter what anyone says, 300 weatherby rocks and DOES have bullet weight enough to get it done. None more versatile Dave! Huh, in July's edition, you praised it's versatility, but now you bring up flaws, what is up?

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from Ed J wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

alabamahunterI like it when you don't proofread. Last year I bought a 270WSM because. I have a 7mm08 in a savage Striker (hand gun) so I ran a recoil program with them,the striker gives 18.0 ftlbs of recoil. 7mm08 in a 8 lb 11oz rifle gives 14.8 ftlbs. A typical 30-06 150 gr in a 8 lb 11 oz gives 18.0 ftlbs. The 270wsm gives 19.5 ftlbs.

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from Bernie Kuntz wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

For some reason, the preceding posting did not include my name--Bernie Kuntz, Bozeman, MT.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

My father, who will be 90 this year, gave me his .300 Weatherby on a Mark V action last fall. I had the rifle restocked for him in the early 1970s by Bishop & Sons. A few months ago I had the unsightly muzzle brake removed, and the No. 2 Weatherby barrel recrowned at 25". I hope to shoot a Shiras moose with the rifle here in Montana next month. Jake, my Dad, bought the rifle in the early 1960s and shot an even 20 elk with the rifle out to about 500 yards. It is not a cartridge for just anybody, but he could handle the recoil. He used the 180-grain Hornady Spire-Point ahead of 76 grains of IMR-4831.An additional note--my brother owns a .300 Weatherby in the Colt-Sauer Rifle. He has shot a number of elk with it. In May 1986 he and I were hunting (I was an Alaska resident at the time) in Hood Bay on Admiralty Island in Southeast Alaska. I saw him kill an 8'2" male bear at 25 yards with that .300 using the 200-grain Nosler Partition. I have never seen a quicker kill. I don't know what his powder charge was.People can bad-mouth the .300 Weatherby but it is probably the finest .300 magnum in existence. The rest of the .300s are imitators or insanely over-bore. Just remember that the .300 Weatherby is not for just anyone. Most guys would be better off shooting a .30/06.

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from alabamahunter wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

The last two sentences I was talking about the 7mm/08. Hate it when I don't proofread.

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from alabamahunter wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

While I'm no expert Jeff I do know my guns and ballistics fairly well. The 30/30 would extremely limit your effective range and would be a definite handicap, but it would absolutely kill just about anything you want it to. I've had good luck with the 7mm/08 out to 300 yards. The 30/06 would definitely be an option and would give you versatility. The 270.WSM is also a great round if you plan on shooting really long ranges on mule deer. I think for muleys ,pronghorn,and whitetails. It has low recoil and is very accurate. Good luck.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

mArketingrename it "Weatherby 3000"write W3K on box, make packaging metallic green or blue (put cool sci fi or monster scenes on box)talk about vel, energy, power compare it to slower ammo in .30"It aint your granpa's Weatherby"offer cool tactical packages using buzz namesetc etcit will be "cool"Americans are morons n will eat it up

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from Jeff Nelson wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Coop - I do all my hunting in Hollywood. Guess that's why there's so many Weatherbys around."Never rassle with a pig. You get all dirty and the pig likes it too much".

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from Jamie wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Not so much to do with a .300, but I am moving out west and currently have a .30/30 for my North Carolina backwoods.Will this be too underpowered?I know people have taken these west and have been sucessful. Should I trade it in for a .30-06 or more powerful gun?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Imagine you travel to go on a fly in hunt or some special guided hunt and your luggage comes up missing? Your ammo is gone! Your dear sweet Weatherby Ammo is GONE! O’MY! And you’re in some hellhole! Try and find the ammo you need and good luck sucker in finding it!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Dr. RalphWhat happened to all the Anti-Crossbow people? You would think they would be here condemning these BIG AND BAD MAGNUMS, that it's unsportsmanship to have so much of an edge on other hunters? I wonder perhaps these Magnum People are the Anti-Cross bowers themselves?Humm? Got to think this one over? They do have the same level of rage against other Sportsmen!What do you think Doc?Personally, what ever you fell comfortable and able to do the job, go for it! 700 Nitro on deer, what ever!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Goly’Ge their Mr. Jeff Nelson,Weatherby sells one hell of a lot of rifles and ammo to people?What continent are these people on, Africa perhaps? Of all the places I’ve been, Marlin, Remington, Ruger, Winchester, Thompson Contender and once in a while a Savage will show up. Besides, I’ve done a lot of hunting and thinking about it, a Weatherby would have not been kneaded on all accounts. Alaska Natives use 30-30 on Grizzly, Brown (the same bear as a Grizzly) and Polar Bear. They are good at what they do and don’t waist time and effort in doing so. There far better hunters than anyone you can come up with, yet alone name!Besides, I have more fun and adventure with my 25-06 than you will ever know! By the way, have you ever shot a barrel out yet (3 barrels in 25-06, 2 barrels in 22-250) or better yet, wore a action clean out? I have!The 25-06 ROCKS!Girly Men can’t handle the 25-06!

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from Jeff Nelson wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Some of the nonsense people write on this blog simply boggles the mind. So the Weatherby MKV "never caught on", DrRalph? It's only been in production for nearly 50 years. I see plenty of them in the hands of hunters who certainly aren't elitists or from Hollywood. Clay Cooper thinks that necking down the 300 WSM to .25 would be a great idea 'cause Weatherby ammo is too expensive. That's all well and good, but he doesn't mention that ammo for the short mags is nearly as expensive as Weatherby ammo, doesn't feed nearly as well, and can't match the performance. The fact is that Weatherby sells one hell of a lot of rifles and ammo to people who appreciate both the performance and the prestige behind the name.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

.300 Wby. Mag. $38.99 at Cabela's $33.99 from Cheaper than Dirt how many you want? Nosler Ballistic Tips in 30-06 from most any manufacturer will run $26.99. The cost difference to me is not that great. Practice with the $6.99 surplus '06 loads.The real reason that Weatherby never caught on is the price of the rifles... Nobody could explain away the price of a Mark V to his wife and so it was for Hollywood hunters and elitists. Enter the Vanguard. Made in Japan like Browning and every scope not European or Leupold. Extreme accuracy at extreme velocity for $399.00 and they're collecting dust? Either there is extreme prejudice involved or they just don't want to be an elitist wannabe...

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Weatherbys indeed are pricy compared to Rugers, Remchesters, etc. Also, as so astutely pointed by others, are ammo and components. Both situations can be avoided if indeed one does want a .300 Wea. which in my humble opinion is an exceedingly excellant choice for long range shooting of large mammals but not as good as the various .338s but again I repeat others. The option is to locate one of those Remington M-700s so chambered or have a .300 Win. rechambered or build one from scratch, whatever your wallet will allow. Remington also makes the brass (I suppose they still do as I would have to look at Midway to verify if it is available today) and sells it for much less money than the genuine Weatherby article. As a matter of interest I have always noted the lack of Weatherby actions at any shooting event even though the shooters could probably afford any rifle action they want. There are mechanical reasons for this reality. The truth is I presently prefer the various Ultras over the equivelant Weatherbys but of course routinely encounter those who disagree. A portion of all of this is why most shotgunners are happy with 1 or 2 gauges but riflemen seem desire many many different calibers and variations of these calibers to fill each little niche of which we perceive. I am as guilty as anyone.

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from dillonaero 134d wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago
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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

The reason why I don’t own a Weatherby is the price of ammo, especially empty cases for reloading. If Weatherby think there products are so great to have the highest price and that’s been on the market over 40-50 some odd years, they can just keep their golden idol! So what if they have a radius on the shoulder. If Winchester had the BALLS they would take one of their cartridges and work it up. Take a 30 WSM and neck it down to 257 to make a 257 WSM and give Weatherby 257 Weatherby a run for their money!I just remembered, of all the hunts and running ranges for recreational shooting including Alaska, Weatherby was no place to be found. Imagine that the Mr. all American gun maker! And the 5 Weatherby rifle I did see, the shooter couldn’t hit the side of a barn with it! Ammo so damn expensive, they couldn’t afford to play with it to see what it can do! Sounds French to me! My 338 Win Mag works just fine!The next time you go into a Sports Shop, look for their Weatherby ammo and checkout the price. O’yes, I forgot to remind you that you must blow off the years of dust and spider webs first just to read the price tag yet alone to read the box label!Weathrby, The All American Shelf Rider Of All Times!HERES YOUR SIGN!

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from eric wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I have a Wal-Mart special Vanguard in 300 wby with the classic style syn stock.The only modification has been to add a limbsaver pad.I also remove some more of the recoil bite by handloading the ammo that I shoot.I love the accuracy of this rifle and cartridge at both long and short range.This may not be the round for everyone but I am sure glad that I crossed paths with it.

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from CoRoMo wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I've long been hopping to buy myself a Weatherby Mark V, in .300 Weatherby. It would be as close to a custom rifle as I'll ever see, but I don't seem to have the right lotto numbers yet. My M77 .270 has been doing the job on everything I've hunted including these Colorado elk, and I guess it will have to continue to do so.

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from PotterMan96 wrote 5 years 1 week ago

I am thinking about buying a .300 what are your thoughts about what brand I should buy thanks

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from Weng Yong wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

I own a Vanguard 300 Wby with 180 gn Nosler partition ballistic tips topped with a tasco 6-24 x 50. In the West Australian outback there is nothing better for long range shots on camels and anything else in the way. Quick experience with my 300. I met up with my friend who loves his 270 (not knocking it, as I love it too) decided to do some long range shooting. At our desired location it just so happened that some goats came by our way. This was the perfect oppurtunity. With no way of measuring the distance we estimated that the distances were about 600-700 metres. As I went to line one up my friend asked me what I was aiming at. He used the binos and said "Theres no bloody way !!! Thats 900 metres !!!! (i think he was exaggerating) Anyway I lined up the goat, took the shot and we bothed witnessed the disappearence of the goats head. What followed that was alot of profanity from my friend, and a "CAN I HAVE A SHOT" After that he was down to the local gunshop to buy him a 300 Wby. Made me laugh because on closer inspection, his purchase was a 300 Win Mag. He was pissed that he just blew $1500AU on it. He said he still wants the Weatherby, and will get one soon.Botom line is, the 300 does perfect for my sort of hunting and it is one of the best purchases Ive made. I love the 300 and it is my favourite calibre.Recoil ?? Dont be soft. If you knock it because you cant handle it then some shooter you are.Expensive ?? Dont be cheap. So you dont want to pay for quality then thats your problem and not anyone elses.Just dont like it ?? Dont put it down. Everyone I know personally who has shot the Wby has been more than impressed by it.

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from Bart wrote 6 years 2 days ago

I had always wanted a 300 Weatherby Mag, and finally got one a couple years ago. Its a German made Mark V and I love it. I had to wait many years to get it, being in the Army I could not afford to buy one. Now that I own it, I can see why it appealed to me so many years. Its a beautiful gun, and shoots better then any gun I own. I do not know how good the newer guns are, but this German made Weatherby is a beautiful example of craftmenship. It not only shoots good, but is beautiful to look at. I look forward to shooting my first Elk with it, when I get lucky enough to draw a tag.

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from zeofven wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

I own a German Mark V in 300 WBY and very pleased with it. However, even I must agree to the ORIGINAL comment that it is NOT the best all around cartridge. Cartridges are ludicrously expensive, and in North America at least, way overkill on power. Deer rifle? 30-30 is more than enough, just use marksmanship. .308 Win and 30-06 are much cheaper and still delivers most animals to their maker. With that said, I don't shoot for fun, I shoot to kill and eat, so one round is all I need. My friend whose name is 45 ACP will cover will back me up if I miss and animals get angry......

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from j.s wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

the .257 weatherby magnum is the ultimate long range deer caliber.it smokes the pathetic 25-06.you donkey.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I alternate using the 300 winches-ter mag and 300 wby mag in the open fileld with good results. Re-mington 870 shotgun with fully ri-fled bbl and sabot slugs for the brush and short fields, good results also.All have scopes.Inser-ted 2 layers of foam inside a worn hunting vest on right chest to pad recoil.Who says there is a recoil?use ear protection or you will have a ringing phone in both ears.LOL

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from Locke Mellott wrote 6 years 22 weeks ago

I have used both the .30-06 and the .300 Weatherby extensively on both deer and elk. While I believe that a .30-06 is probably the best all around rifle for any one person in North America it in no way can compare to the down range authority that a .300 Weatherby delivers. A shooter must realize however, that the velocity demand of the Weatherby places a much higher importance on bullet selection, and light for caliber, conventional cup and core bullets will not penetrate as deeply as in the '06.The rifle does deliver a thump on the shooter end and requires some preventative thinking when target shooting or at the range. Otherwise, a flinch will develop and compromise a shooter's ability.Meat destruction will be greater than a .30-06 in most cases, especially if large muscle groups are encountered by the bullet.On the flip side, if you are looking for a gun that puts the hammer down on long distance big game, there are not many calibers that can hold a candle to this rig. A good 180-200 grain bullets will provide long distance power and penetration for all non dangerous game in North America.When big game animals are shot at ranges of greater than 300 yards with '06 type calibers, often times the animal will run off and die a fair way from the place of impact. Rarely is this so with the Weatherby. The extra velocity and power usually gives the hunter an additional 200 yards of usable hunting power over a standard caliber. For example, the 200 grain bullets will deliver as much power at 600 yards as a .270 Winchester can deliver at 150 yards. The bigger bullets handle the western winds far better as well.So, if you plan to do most of your hunting in cover with 200-250 yard shots, definitely go with the .30-06. If however, long range 300-500 yards shots are regular hunting fare, and elk, bear, or moose is on the hunted list, the .300 Weatherby will be a gun you can not only rely on, but continually be amazed at the consistent bang flop deaths you will see on deer sized game.Have fun.

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from Mike Strehlow wrote 6 years 24 weeks ago

The .300 Weatherby isn't our first pick for all around cartridge because it usually doesn't come in all-around rifles. You don't want a 26" barrelled, nine pound rifle for whitetails in the woods. A good all around rifle should be a reasonably short, light rifle for close cover deer (22" barrel at the most; WSMs get an extra inch of barrel due to shorter action length), shoot fairly flat to 300 yards for sheep and pronghorn, and strike a conclusive blow at that range for elk. If this sounds like a .30-06, .270, or .280, then you know why so many once-in-a-lifetime custom guns are made in those calibers.

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from Live in the NW wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

This will give some of you something to grouse about.Buying a Weatherby MV Accumark300 WBY Mag w/Accubrake, and adding Burris 4-16 BD w/B Mil Dot.Adding that to: 700 Rem ADL 30:06, Marlin 30:30 Lever (can't be beat in heavy brush)and WBY Van 270. WSM.I reload.If I could only own one it would be Rem 06. 300 WBY is for long range deer in north Idaho canyon country. Plus I have a 17.HRM LOVE IT Sagerats at 100 yds.

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from Live in the west wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

To Rocky Mnt Hunter:Why do you even need a side arm?Are you hunting in bear country?Just a question.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

RMH, I haven't had that pleasure but an old man I knew that has passed used to go to an island in Mississippi where they ran deer with dogs and used buckshot. He said it was one of the best experiences of his life as he was disabled from WWII. His only regret was they wouldn't let him use his '06 the only caliber he ever owned any weapon in. Sure dropped them Krauts he used to say...

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

Dr. RalphI bought a Vanguard in 300 mag. Was a ok firearm but, was more gun than my small l24 lb frame could handle. So,sold it and bought a Winchester 70 in 300 WSM (WSM was advertised as less recoil), not the case with me. The recoil on the WSM was more than the 300 mag.(both the above were package deals). So again sold them and bought the Rem 700 CDL in 30-06, added l+ lbs of lead shot to the Walnut stock, installed a new Nikon Monarch 3x9x40 using Leupold Dual Dove tail mounts/rings/base. For my style of hunting/shooting, this set up is a dream. I could not ask for a better combo than this for me. I use Rems new Scirocco's in l80 grs out west and have killed game at 345 yds, one shot. I hate to purchase anything made outside the USA, but it has become impossible for most items we have to buy. Sooner or later I fear a 3rd world Country is gonna buy the US out, many have a good start in that direction. I continue to hear Ammo is in short supply????? not so, just that the mfgers using the Iraq war as excuse to increase price of AMMO.( I understand they using 308's in Iraq to fight with, right?)The Scirocc's l80's have gone up about 22 % since last year, as I bought 4 boxes last week . Its pratice time and checking zero time prior to the Rockies( I use Core-lokts for pratice then the Scirocc's ( 3 sessions of 3 shots) for dble checking 0. O well, I;ve blabbed enough. Time to get in some serious pratice and sort out the junk I think I need out in the Rockies. Side note: Have you ever hunted w-tails in E-Va where they run the deer out of the thick paper Company forrest with hounds? It's a great experience, as you must use a shotgun with buck shot, plus you never know where the deer will come into view or range for shotgun. I have hunted there for a week for the past 35 yds and will again this fall. It's a different hunt, never a dull minute once the dogs are turned loose. Should try that hunt if possible. Sure is different from the sit quite, be stell,from before light to after dark. O well, again what one whants in life is important to him only.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

RMH, Old gunslinger, buy a $399 Zeiss Conquest or splurge for the $459 44mm and a $399 Vanguard and you will still have one half Japanese components in your rifle scope combo and I guarantee you will be holding a cheaper more accurate version of what you hunt with now... and your Zeiss will make you swear off Nikon's forever. I have two and my Kahles can't hold a candle to either one.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

That Wesatherby Vanguard looks okuntil you read down next to the stock (almost hidden near where bbl fits action on left side of bbl.) MADE IN JAPAN>. That kinda turns me off. Hate to support those people, when so many Americans out of work. A good example is Winchester.I read last week, that the Model 70 is coming back, but, made in JAPAN. Some items we must buy from JApan if we get that Item. I'll admit, I buy and use Nikon Scopes/rangefinders, but until I find a better quality in either I will use those I have. Leupold is not the quality to Nikon by far. That will be a debatable subject I bet. As for Bushnell, just a high Dollar Cheapo like Simmons, and many others on the Market. All these combo packages(firearm,scope mounted, sling, hard case) have a 29.95 scope mounted in Allum. bases and rings. What happened to steel? With the light wt firearms, and ammo loaded for a tank, those cheap scopes will not last a season. I know, as I got both Bushnell's, and Simmons, and just waiting for a trade for anything.PS; what happened to the Howa bbls that use to be on all the Vanguards? As for bbls, I kinda like the Button rifled bbls on Savage firearms, and this new Rem 715 does have a button bbl, guess will have to buy one to try out.'O', another excuse to buy another firearm.What Caliber this time????????. TO GARCIA: WITH jAGGERS $$$ HE CAN BUY ANYTHING BUT HIS YOUTH BACK./ GUY LOOKS LIKE A MUMMY FRom DARK AGES. aND, IF i HAD HIS $$$ i THINK i COULD BUY ANYTHING i WANTED, OTHER THAN GOOD HEALTH, WHICH i LOST l7 YRS AGO.

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from O Garcia wrote 6 years 32 weeks ago

The Weatherby Vanguard should be the perfect rifle - straightforward reliable operation, amazing accuracy, low price - except it is not for left handers like me. And Dave.As Mick Jagger sings: you can't always get what you want.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

One last comment: Any firearm capable of killing a Elk is ample firearm for most any animal. Use any firearm that you can shoot well and is accurat and with enough juice to down your game with one shot. Be it a high $ Weatherby or cheaper single bbl H&R. Most of us hunters never have enough firearms, we continue to see a new idition we love.If could afford the firearms and the hunting trips I so dearly love to take, I would buy and take a new gun each year. When all is said and done, in my experience of 60 ys of big game hunting, the 30-30 was fine on w-tails, then when I wrnt west for Elk, the 30-06 filled the bill and has ever since. A 30-06 with the best Ammo available is ample for me and most any other hunter. Place your shots for a one shot kill. Before you go, get in lots of pratice with a bolt gun or what-ever you will take. Any quality Ammo is not cheap, sure not Wally-World brand. HIgh dollar/quality ammo is the cheapest investment you will make on a 5-10K hunt. If you cannot afford the best ammo,then stay home and use a 22. AS for firearms, many cheaper brands will shot well. One that comes to mind is the Savage, been around many years. Not a fancy gun but a pratical one and does shot well and on target with a quality scope. No doubt Weatherby is a quality firearm, but do believe we paying for some fancy stuff not needed for a great shot.For my built and arm reach, a Remington model 700 fits and shoots perfect for my style of hunting.I Own many, and all shoot to point of aim. But again, to each his own and what he can shoot perfect each time a animal presents itself for a quality shot. When go west this fall a new Remington 700 SPS goes along for that miserable weather day and will be in 30-06 caliber. O can smell the great outdoos already. Good hunting.See you in the Rockies, I pray

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

I;ve asked this question prior,but got no replies. Any you guys own/shot a Uberti in 45 LC. If so what is your opinion. I need a extra side arm for the Western hunts that I can carry in a shoulder harness. I walk with a cane or hunting sticks and need the side gun up high. All replies appreciated. If the Uberti not on your list, how about the Bounty Hunter by EAA in 45 LC. Also, am gun crazy, any info on the new Remington Model 715, quality, appearence, function, accuracy? I need a 4 wheeler knock-about rifle in 270 or 06.Gunslinger down South

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

If ammo keeps you at home, then you can;t afford to go period. As for Wetherby Ammo's cost, the Rem. Scirocco's Bonded is about 45.00 a box. No good Ammo is cheap. But spending from 5 to l0K for a hunt, what is a extra l00.00 for ammo. I'd use cheaper Ammo for pratice,but buy teh best available for the hunt. All outfitters say bring 2 boxes of ammo, packed in 2 different cases, just in case one is misplaced. It has happened to me before, so learn the hard way. If you don;t feel safe by carrying ammo on the plane, then ship some ammo directly to the outfitter(by UPS) or Cabelas' as I did last year in WY.All I want is opportnity to go hunting, to heck with the ammo, I'll bet some , can bet on that.Again, just wish I could have afforded a MArk V 40 yrs ago in some caliber that I could handle the recoil today. But we live and learn. If had the opportunity to go Elk hunting in Am, I'd find a gun and ammo, if had to PAWN all else I own. Good hunting guys, shoot lots and straight.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Right on WA Mtnhunter... If you think .300 Wby. Mag. is hard to find try looking for .257's! Next time I'm out west an antelope will have my name on it and I will be carrying a .257 with FOUR boxes of ammo in the truck. DON'T LEAVE HOME WITHOUT THEM...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Now what hunter worries about cartridge availability in the Rocky Mountain states, the general store, Montana gas station, etc.?Why the heck would you go anywhere other than your local gun range with less than 2 boxes of ammo for EACH caliber rifle?If you can't afford an extra $40 box of good ammo, then you probably can't really afford the hunting trip until gasoline or diesel comes down to under $1.00 a gallon, which is likely never. Get the rifle in the caliber that suits you and don't worry about it as long it is a mainstream load. If Federal, Hornady, or Remington loads it and Cabela's sells it out of the catalog, it is likely it is available enough to consider.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Nothing wrong with the Weatherhy, wish I had bought a MArk V years ago, but $$$$ was a issue then and I got to using Remington's and continue to do so today. I do not handload, however, I buy cheapo ammo for pratice and the best Ammo available to hunt with.My poor health and age of 72 makes a 300 anything a little on the heavy side. I can handle the 06 just fine by adding l lb lead to wood stock and scope, etc. gun is near l0 lbs. I don;t climb the hills and mtns, I can;t walk but a few yards, so wt of gun is not a issue for me. The l0 lbs reduces the recoil on my 124 lb frame and I feel confident with the Rem 700 in 06. Until a few yrs back I used a 742 Auto out west, but a guide once would not allow me to have one in the chamber till time to shoot. You know the noise the lever makes when you release it loading the shell into the chamber,(can be heard for miles) therefore I had to go to a Bolt gun for the ease of sliding a shell into the chamber. I still use the 742 in 06 Auto on my farm here in the south.My problem now, is my health, if were able to do so I would hunt the Rockies each year in as many states as i culd draw that did not conflict with the other states. thats why I like MT, they have a 5-6 week season. Love Colorado, but the 5 to 9 day season is too short, and tags in MT cheaper for the combo Deer/Elk, and easier to draw as a combo deal.AS I;ve stated on this Blog many times, if you ever hear a Bull Elk Bugle in the Rockies, you are ruined for life. If I had plenty of $$$$ and good health, I'd hunt every day a season was open in the West.But can;t complain, I do manage to go out most every year or at least every-other year.All depends on how much I spend on last years hunt? My expenses is I must have a companion along, and that cost $$$ as well. So really paying for 2 hunters other than the licenses. Its near 2500 miles to Missoula, Mt. been thinking of maybe next year taking the Train, providing not to many days and stops.Anyway. Will be happy just to get back out there and hear that Bugle again. Shoot straight,,and pratice a lot, regrdless of firearm you use. A 22 bolt gun is also a good pratice weapon. I shoot every day for 3 months prior to my leaving home to go.Once my hunting rifle is shooting where I expect it to ( and not l" to 2" height at 100 yds) I;m talking of shooting at 200 and 300 yds, rather than the guess at 100 yds. All guns will not shoot accurate at 200+ yds, based on a 1-2" high at 100. I got a custom built that at l00 yds is perfect,beyond is lousy, all over target. It's looking for a new home when-ever I can find a buyer with the $$$$l2K.000. Hunt tomorrow as if it's your last hunt and enjoy every-minute of it. The old Gunslinger down south

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Certainly in the grand scheme of things paying somewhat more for ammo is inconsequential. What is definitely an issue is FINDING the ammo to feed your chosen rifle. You will find .30-06 just about anywhere, ditto .270 Win, .308, .25-06, .30-30, usually .300 Win Mag. Finding .300 Wby Mag is probably relatively simple in elk country but I would not know that for sure; never having been out that way for hunting. I do know that the smaller gun and general stores in my neck of the woods don't stock it.As I do not handload I stick to cartridges with readily available factory ammo which will handle the animals I hunt humanely.

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from Bluto wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

I'd just like to comment on the misconception that .300 weatherby ammo is to expensive.I agree that the weatherby brand name is pricey,but the ammo is available from different manufactures and the price is comparable to other calibers.Then there is the option of reloading.You can use any.30slug you wish,and load it to your recoil preference.I have found once fired Remington brass at gun shows for under $.75/case.Ive used this cartrige in a Remington 700(PURCHASED 15 YRS AGO FOR $650 NEW)for everything from whitetail to moose and found it excellent all around.Match your loads to the game,and you get proper results.It all comes down to personal choice when choosing a caliber to shoot and some are better than others for certain tasks,but if like myself you cant afford to have several rifles I find this caliber does the job. If I take the time to do my homework and find the best bullet/load combo for the game Im after.

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from Gibbsfeed wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

Well, I came across this discussion and just can't avoid throwing my two cents in. I hunt elk and do it my self. I go cheap too. I drive from SE Texas to SW Colorado, and hunt 5 days for less than $1250 including the tag. That's gas, food, everything. I have a 30-06, 7mm Mag, 300 WBY, 340 WBY (my dad's). I will carry any of these rifles, but prefer the WBY. I shoot all to practice. My point is that if I wait all year to hunt and spend whatever I do spend, I'm not going to worry about doubling my ammo cost. That's not an issue. If I'm that sensitive to it, I can't afford to hunt. My vehicle costs $30K, rifles are $500-1000 each, gear is probably $1000 or more, gas is $3/gal. Ammo is a non-issue. That said, the 30-06 is much more fun to shoot, but when your looking at 350-430 yard shots late in the day, the confidence level (sheer mathematics) is always higher when your hands are wrapped around the Weatherby. MPBR may be minimally increased, but it's the energy downrange with 180 grain plus bullets that make these guns alluring. If you have an investment of time, money, and sweat you dont' want to be wondering about having enough gun when the chips are down. I can make the shot with the '06 at that range, but why not do it with the 300 WBY. The energy at 300 yards is the same as at the muzzle of the '06. But then I only hunt elk with it, it's not a deer gun.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

To teh guy from N.C. my home state that is moving West. By all means buy a 30-06 not one of the fanch short,fat jobs. A 30-06 is available in ammo from 55 grs to 220. I hunt teh Rockies every year, either Colorado, Montana, Wy, Nebraska, Utah and the 06 does what its suppose to. Ammo available anywher and not to pricy.I killed all the game in the Rockies other than the Griz, which I care not to. I;ve taken game with 30-06's from 50 ys to 345 yds one shots and animal dropped in his tracts. Sue a Weaterby is fancy, but fancy don;t kill game. AS for the 30-30 you got, keep it, some Mtns in the Rockies, a 30-30 is ok, espcially this new soft pointed l60 gr.job. When I go West I take 2 firearms,a Remington 700 25-06 and a Rem 700 CDL in 30-06, prior to the CDL I used a Rem Auto 742 for 30 years, and no, had no jam =up's because keep the action clean and the best Ammo available, no cheapo junk.The Auto killed a 6 x 6 Elk at 235yds one shot sing l65 gr Extended range Ammo.A 30-30 has its place out west, so hang on to it, just add a 30-06 and you will be all set to hunt all the game out there at any range. I killed a 4 x 4 deer last year in Mt. at 345 yds, l shot using l80 gr bullets.. A 30-30 is a tad short on long range hunting, but out to 200 yds with this new Ammo will be fine, hang on to it.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter. wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Just buy a Remington 700 CDL in 30-06, 24" bbl and the Scirocco Bonded Ammo l80 gr and hunt anything in North America and save hundreds of Dollars on the gun and Ammo. Plus you can buy the 30-06 Ammo at any store, try to buy that high $ Weatherby crap and you may not hunt if you run out of Ammo. Sure the Weathergy ooks good, so does the Rem, CDL in my book. I can take the $$$ saved and apply to another Rocky Mtn hunt next year.

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from 007 wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Regarding the comparison of the .303 Brit to the.308 Winchester, this is like comparing a Pinto to a Mustang. The .303 is closer to the .30-30 ballistically. Jamie, if you do go with the .308, use the 150 gr. Hdy. Interlock ahead of 46.1 gr. IMR4064, CCI 200 primer, Rem. brass, you'll be fine. No experience with the .300 Wthby, I have a .300 Win. mag. but am in the process of having a .338-06 built. CAN'T WAIT!!!

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from Bob Horrar wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

The Weatherby line or cartridges came along when there was virtually no competition. Today gun manufacturers are introducing new cartridges and models every year to boast sales. Thus the .300 has fallen out of vogue. This marketing strategy is heavily imbedded in the car manufacturing business as well. The .300 Weatherby was successful in part due to Roy Weatherby's marketing efforts and publicity which were outstanding. As a cartridge it is more that the average hunter needs or can shoot accurately. It was never a round that would shoot as accurately as a .308 Win., 30-06 etc. due to throating in the barrel, and being somewhat overbored in capacity. History and legend will keep it around for a long time, but there are too many other preferred choices in today's market.

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from Hoosier Daddy wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

http://www.subguns.com/boards/sword.cgi?read=894270 Why the illegals are here to stay - long read

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from Dr.Cepp Himmler wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

The article in Outdoor life is on page30Titled The All American Rifle.However that article does not appear to be on their website.There still appears to be a lot of contention at O/L overmilitary style weapons being used to Hunt.They may have left the article out deliberately....Maybe I'll drop them a email asking why?

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from Ozark Hillbilly wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Remember the 30-06 Accelerator? A .224 Diameter 55 grain sabot bullet tat put you in the 3800-4000fps range. Imagine a 30 cal 130 at 3700, WOW!

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from Ozark Hillbilly wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Dr. RalphAs Ol’Sarge would put it, the operational range of the Hornady 130 grain Soft Point, stock number 3020 is from 2500-3700fps. According to my Third Edition, Hornady reloading book (same book that Clay uses), 94.1 grains of H450 will give you 3700fps. Zeroed in at 200 yards, the bullet has only dropped –4.8 at 300 yards, 400yds/-14.6, 500yds/-30.9 and 600tds/-55.1. I can see where he is going with this. Less recoil, flat shooting, time is flight for fast running game and plenty of knock down on deer.I wouldn’t be too fast to judge Ol’Sgt. Cooper. The Coop, He knows His POOP! Ask him why what he says and He will tell you I’m sure. I’ve learned a lot from him in the past few months.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Sgt. Cooper, how fast could you make that puppy dance? 130 grain? 4000 fps? Sure it wouldn't disintegrate mid air? I've heard of it happening but not with that combination...

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

P.S. Ed WeatherbyWhere is that Vanguard .340 ?????

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Ok, RalphyIf Clay had a 300 Weatherby, what bullet weight would he use om deer???Hornady 130 softpoint

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Chev Jim, I'll call your WSM's and raise you the SAUM's. I'll even throw in the Ultra Mags if the odds are right. Weatherby is here to stay

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Well, I came back to the blog to make a prediction: the .300 Weatherby Magnum will outlast the .270 WSM, 7mm WSM, and even the .300 WSM. The WSMs are a great concept, but the problem is stuffing them into a short action. The bullets have to be seated too deep in the case for the cartridges to realize their ballistic potential. If they were mated to standard length actions and the bullets seated out further, then they'd be real barn burners. But that's not all. With the discontinuance of the Model 70 line, the WSMs were struck a death blow. Look at the cartridge offerings in other factory rifles, and you'll hardly ever see a WSM chambering. The .300 WSM may survive due to America's love affair with the .30 calibers. Speaking of the Model 70, I hope that it is revived--but this time built to the standard of the originals. The stock inletting on later Model 70s, such as my Safari Express, went to hell in later years. When you pay nearly $1,000 for a rifle and the barrel channel looks like it was inletted by orthodontically-challenged beavers, you know there's a real quality control problem. But just like the .30-30 would disappear if the lever-action rifle went away, the WSMs are living on borrowed time with the demise of the Model 70.

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from sam iacobone wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

dear dave,i am sighting in a 270 win 130 grain rem core lok bullet, where should that bullet hit a 100yds if i want it to be accurate at 200yds?

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

The first time my friend killed a deer with his .270 Wby. Mag. I was a couple of hundred yards away and my first thought was that it was a muzzleloader really near by. I heard a pop followed by a loud boom. The pop was the bullet fired at three times the speed of sound field dressing the deer and the boom was the gun going off. Weird sensation. Weatherby Magnum projectiles get way ahead of the gun blast, quick... GOD BLESS Roy Weatherby!

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I have owned a .300 Weatherby Mark V since 1974 and I think it is probably the most practical of the .30 magnums. Anything faster is going to be hell on barrels and will unnecessarily roughen up the shooter. Anything slower is, well, just not as good! The .300 Weatherby kills like the Hammer of Thor. It's also a very accurate cartridge and I'm pleased that less expensive rifles are chambered for it, so as to keep the cartridge going and ensure a steady supply of factory ammo. The .300 Winchester has too short of a neck for me, but I suppose it gets the job done. I also like the 7mm Weatherby over the 7mm Remington Magnum, for the same reasons. No, this cartridge isn't going to die. It'll be around as long as the .30/06!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Cooper, I tried to warn you about your .25-06 preaching. Now look where it is...

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from Mark wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Don’t get hostile on Coop.The guy yarns quite a bit since the fellow loves to story tell. There’s always some element of truth to what he writes, and I doubt the fellow is out to harm anyone although he gets defensive on his yarning at moments. E.g. I personally don’t want a fellow backing me up hunting big bear who never killed one. I don’t operate on that much Faith.I do my best to keep this Blog all in good fun and humor. I also try to keep my “yarning“ to a minimum, especially when posting my loading data. “Nuff said.

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

Hey Clay, Let me pass something to you and maybe you can explain, This article about the rifle team in Ruerto Rico, it said they were getting feedback from ever yard line down range, is this something new to the shooting game? I would love to send this article to you if I could. It's just 1/2 page long. by the way, this included the People from the Ky. Air Guard also. I don't believe we shot the 600 yd. line when I shot with them.

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from Jeff Nelson wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Coop- Have a good time monopolizing this blog with your idiotic comments. Illiterate f*$cking sh@t kicker. Take your .25-06 and cram it up your a%#. I'm outta here.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

JeffYou didn’t work in Sanitation did you?Perhaps that were you get your crappy attitude from!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Wow Jeff NelsonI’m laughing at you so hard!What is your problem?So you had a successful hunt!Praise GOD!And Jeff isn’t it time for you to go back on your meds!You sound so impotent, trying to prove yourself. You don’t have to prove yourself with me. Just be happy just being out there and doing it!One more thing Jeff, what did you do in the Military?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

BuckstopperIf your rifle shoots 180 really great, might want to try Hornadys 190 BTSP. The good news about using the 180, you will know the hold over at longer ranges. Maybe you might want to get another rifle in 257 like a 25-06 for coyotes?

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from buckstopper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Clay, I have tried 150gr'in .270 but it been years since I really experimented.

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from buckstopper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

ClayI shot factory 150's Win Supreme did not work up load. Factory 180 Win Supreme worked better. Cost was a major factor to invest in dies(beside its fun). When I got dies and components just started with 180 grs then. I soon had sucess and just kept working on it. I am using a full length die but am having tight chamber even on once fired brass. In all the years I reloaded my .270, I never have had to trim brass enven after 5 or 6 reloads. It seems I may have to pay close attention to case length with this short mag case. Also I have discovered the short fat cases don't chamber as smooth as the good 'ol .270. My old M700 is smooth as greased lightnin', great for follow up shots. Getting good groups from the bench is different than the field. I have whizzed more than one buck and got 'em on the second shot. I had discovered that rifle shot high out of a clean barrel, the second shot from a fouled barrel put it back where I had grouped it at the range. Now days after sighting in I leave the barrel alone, don't clean it unless it gets wet. Then after cleaning a put a fouling shot through it before taking trip to the woods. Good thing gun club's just down the road.I haven't used 760 power in a long time. The last time has been 20+ years ago. I stopped experimenting after I found my pet .270 formula. I would load up enough shells for a couple of seasons. Usually do more shotgun reloading. My centerfire reloading is pretty spartan. I have an old single load RCBS press I used in my youth. I use to use a long teaspoon to dish out powder to the scale. Hey, it still works! I need to upgrade one of these days. BTW you have to get a really fat bullet puller for short mags.

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from Jeff Nelson wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Coop - Aircraft Maintenance? I should have known. All that flightline noise and breathing JP-4 fumes must have scrambled your brains.Yes, Coop, I can hit what I'm aiming at. In fact, last February I astounded the guide, my hunting companions, and myself with a 450 yard shot (measured) on a Barbary sheep ewe with my uncle's old pre-war M70 in (hold on) .270 Winchester. 130 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip, 61 grains of Accurate Arms MRP (discontinued) @ 3150 fps. Don't try THAT with your puny .25-06!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

That 300 WSM just might be one of those rounds hard to load for? Hope I'm wrong!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

buckstopperWhat load did you put behind that 150. Don't have reloading data for your rifle, but off the top of my head IMR4350 or Winchester 760 might do the trick. Try a Federal 215 Large Magnum Rifle Primer.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Mr. Nelson I really don’t give a rats butt what you use. The question is, can you hit with it!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

By goly, Jeff Nelson how did you know! Yes I was in Aircraft maintenance and every match to boys from Camp Pendleton showed up, they ran back home! And yes, my right shoulder in a few years might need replacement. Wow, I’m impressed. So you a crystal ball or something?Hell Jeff, I’ve been called a lot worse by better!The secret ingredient to Weatherby ammo is Viagra for those who just can’t get the range! M16A2, 600 yards and blowing wind? Now that’s a shooter!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

buckstopperHave you tried a 140 in that 270 yet?

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from buckstopper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

PS. Just read a story about nationwide shortage of ammo for police departments due to the war. I know componants have been going up for a while now and the ammo crunch hasn't hit the commercial market too bad yet except at the checkout register. I did have to look hard for the new Honardy Leverevolution ammo. I got 6 boxes for my son's 30-30. Should last a couple or 3 seasons. Shotgun lead is coming out of South America now and has about doubled in last couple of years. Anyway for the Drive-by media to report ammo shortage at police departments nation wide I hope the bad guys don't read.

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from Jeff Nelson wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Coop, as a fellow USAF Retiree, it may pain me to say this, but you are a friggin' moron. Must have been a Trans, Fuels, or Munitions troop. They only use recruits who can't get their knuckles off the ground.By the way, the heads on my wall aren't made of fiberglass. But the one on your shoulders certainly might be.

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from buckstopper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I got .300WSM last fall in a M700 Remington. I had looked at a Browning A-bolt but I am used to a Remington action and thought the A-bolt was a little awkward to me. I've had .270 M700 for about 30 years and it still shoots sub-MOA with my reload of 49gr 4064IMR behind a Hornady 130gr boattail. For years I shot it without a scope but my eyes aren't as good as they used to be so put a Leopold scope and a new Bell and Carlson stock. Besides most of my deer taken were at less than 100yds...anyway I got a wild hair and got this .300WSM because I read it has a little less felt recoil than a full length .300 Mag cartridge. As I said earlier the A-Bolt action felt strange to me so my dealer said he just got some Remingtons in .300WSM. It seems the RUSM wasn't selling so good, so the boys in green turned to Winchester. I am gearing up for a Texas whitetail hunt this fall and expect to shoot from afar. I just worked up a load with 70gr 4831 behind a 180gr SST. I tried a 150gr bullet but couldn't get the groups I wanted, I guess some rifles just like a certain weight of bullet. Anyone else have experience reloading a .300WSM?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

My bottom line on the Weatherby rifle is this. If you can accurately shoot it at a given distance accurately every time, I say GREAT good for them! Not everyone is comfortable with the recoil and they will most likely wound, gut shot or miss! I’ve seen more one shot kills on Moose with a 180 grain out of a 30-06 than most Magnums requiring a second or empty the gun several times.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Jeff Nelson, so you do all my hunting in Hollywood. Guess that's why there's so many Weatherbys around? Wow, I’m impressed! I should have known that they should have IMAX Virtual Reality Hunting in Hollywood. Sure must be nice to have a open bar behind you when your hunting Elephants and Cape Buffalo in Africa!By the way, thanks for the complement! Never rassle with a pig. You get all dirty and the pig likes it too much". In a real reality hunt, you’ll get muddy, dirty and dead tired! So you better like it! I take it that all the heads on your wall must be made out of fiberglass.Show me a person that has taken a Moose and said it was fun, I’ll show you a liar! Pull that trigger and the work begins! But the Hunter that has taken a Moose is Damn proud of it because they earned it! Even if it’s a 30 incher!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Gary SmithGreat what you said about SFC Reed. Sure makes me happy to see that our Military Folks are still shaking up the competition! If you see SFC Reed again, tell him this old Retired second generation U.S. Air Force High Power Team Member says, GO Gettem! 600 yards? Blowing wind? One hell of a shooter!By the way, about that M16A2. Nosler makes a .224 diameter 6o grain partition bullet that should be one hell of deer stopper!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Jamie throw your 30-30 away and buy a Weatherby Vanguard in .300 Wby. Mag. For $400.00 you will have a rifle that can kill anything in the world and is guaranteed to shoot one and a half inch groups @ 100 yards. Cartridges for $13.00 a box if you shop with VanHagan... You will see game at distances never imagined in North Carolina out west and this gun will be your best friend. It is the flattest shooting hardest hitting .30 caliber short of a Lazzeroni and you don't want to buy Warbirds!

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from Black Rifle Addict wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I don't believe anyone would argue the point of whether the .300 wby would make a very effective hunting round,but as a practical application it will not serve well for most hunters. As many have mentioned here the ammo is expensive, or difficult to get, and most of the rifles chambered for it are expensive to purchase.I hate to state the obvious,but the .300 Weatherby is dying from the American hunting seen, and I don't see any reason to lose sleep over it.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Jamie,The .303 British is very similar to the .308 ballistically, but lacks the variety of factory ammo. In Canada it's an old favorite backwoods moose cartridge. So don't worry about it's effectiveness: some say that it has probably killed more moose in Canada than any other cartridge. At least if you ever get the chance to hunt here you'll find 303 cartridges wherever ammo is sold!Michael

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from Phil VanHagen wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

About 20 years ago I built up a .300 Weatherby on a Mk X Mauser long magnum action. I presently use Remington ammunition and recently encountered a sale at the local Wally-world where they were getting rid of non-movers in ammunition. There were 4 boxes of Remington .300 Weatherby at $13.00 a box, needless to say I walked out with all 4.

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from Tom OB wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I have a 1958 vintage SouthgateWeatherby (made in Southgate, CA)in .300 Weatherby. Fine shooting rifle, and great for long range shooting with heavy bullets.Still a great cartridge, imho.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Maybe "not catching on" is the wrong phrase... Remington, Winchester, Browning and Ruger all are more prevalent. I see ten Remingtons to every one Weatherby in the field maybe more. Go to a large gun store and look around. Weatherby rifles are few and far between. I own a Weatherby rifle in a Weatherby caliber and am their greatest advocate on this blog. I talked my best friend who is much wealthier than I into buying a Mark V .270 Wby. Mag. just because the store was going out of business that day, was down to two rifles and it was under $1000.00 bucks. He didn't need or want the rifle and was already in trouble with his wife for buying a Lazzeroni with Swarovski attached but what the heck? Only a grand? It is the most accurate rifle he has ever held in his hands. I wish I had bought it now and hidden it from my wife because it continues to spit out groups where all the holes touch. My favorite is the .257 but if I lived out west I can assure you I wouldn't leave the house without a .300 Weatherby Magnum...

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Hey Clay,, Just read an articlein the BLUEGRASS GUARD Magazine I get, SFC Reed just took the Ky. National Guard Marksmanship team to Puerto Rico in Jan. and they took First Place in military Classification with the as issued M-16,A2 with military Ammo shooting at 300 and 600 mtrs. Shooting against N.Carolina, S. Carolina, New Mexico, New York and Puerto Rico and NRA members. Reed said it sure was hard shooting at 600 Mtrs with the wind as it was . One sure has to watch his/her trigger squeeze. I've shoot with SFC reed but not on his team. Spent a lot of time in Puerto Rico and know about the wind there. I was at Ramey Air Force Base, But I'ts closed now. Just thought I'd let you know about shooting at 600 mtrs. with the M-16...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

JamieI'd keep the .30-30 and wait for a deal on a .270, .308, or .30-06 to come along. The .303 isn't much of an elk rifle, either. the .30-30 will take any deer you can hit.SA:I was refering to the .300 Rem Ultra Mag, not the Short Action Ultra Mag (SAUM). The .300 RUM hasa larger case than the .300 Weatherby or .300 Win Mag.For .270 fans:I have seen deer and elk taken with the .270 WSM and it put them down right away. I thought it was a little light for elk until I saw Nat drop a 5x5 bull at 320 yards. And a nice 4x4 buck at about 250 the next day. Seeing is believing.... That one needs to be named "Old Deathwind" for sure!

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from Jamie wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I also have the chance to trade it for an old Lee enfield in .303 brit.Not a round I can go down to Walmart and get but will it do?

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

@Jamie who asks:Not so much to do with a .300, but "I am moving out west and currently have a .30/30 for my North Carolina backwoods.Will this be too underpowered?"It depends on where you are moving to out west and what you want to hunt. If you can afford to keep that .30-30 and it is otherwise a good rifle keep it. But you do need to add a flatter shooting round somewhere in the .270 .308 .30-06 range if you want to hunt elk, mtn sheep, or pronghorn.If you are moving to Arizona, the .30-30 is a good round for mule deer, bear, and javelina.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

WA MnthunterThe .300 RUM, and most of the other short and super short magnums, have higher chamber pressure than the longer 'traditional' magnums. Not a huge problem for most situations but this can be dangerous to the handloader (and bystanders) who trys to tweak even more speed out of them. Shooters using the short mags in hotter climates may also experience some over-pressure signs.SA

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I would not agree that the .300 Weatherby is far superior to a .300 RUM. Both have too much recoil and blast to suit me, so it really doesn't matter which is best to me.I'm glad my Weatherby Mark V (USA made) is chambered in .30-06 and sports a nice piece of walnut. A real shooter, too. Not that it will out shoot my Remington's, however.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

In its favor, the .300 Wby Mag has relatively more factory loads available than some of the other proprietary cartridges out. Also a plus it IS significantly ballistically superior to any other .30 caliber. If you need a rifle to reeeaaach out and touch with authority this is the one.Down sides include cost of the rifles and of the ammo. Recoil isn't unmanageable but is unpleasant.For my money, a .30-06 is just fine but then I don't hunt out west where animals are big and sometimes far away.Jamie had asked above whether his move from North Carolina to 'out west' means he needs to trade up from a .30-30. Probably, but before you jump, figure out where you are going to hunt and what game you will pursue; know the lay of the land and size of the animals plus your own ability so you can make the right choice.

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from Will Becker wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

The main thing is to know your rifle,and shoot a lot,whatever the caliber or make.Some guns are simply more acurate than others

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from awesomedude wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

No matter what anyone says, 300 weatherby rocks and DOES have bullet weight enough to get it done. None more versatile Dave! Huh, in July's edition, you praised it's versatility, but now you bring up flaws, what is up?

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from Ed J wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

alabamahunterI like it when you don't proofread. Last year I bought a 270WSM because. I have a 7mm08 in a savage Striker (hand gun) so I ran a recoil program with them,the striker gives 18.0 ftlbs of recoil. 7mm08 in a 8 lb 11oz rifle gives 14.8 ftlbs. A typical 30-06 150 gr in a 8 lb 11 oz gives 18.0 ftlbs. The 270wsm gives 19.5 ftlbs.

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from Bernie Kuntz wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

For some reason, the preceding posting did not include my name--Bernie Kuntz, Bozeman, MT.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

My father, who will be 90 this year, gave me his .300 Weatherby on a Mark V action last fall. I had the rifle restocked for him in the early 1970s by Bishop & Sons. A few months ago I had the unsightly muzzle brake removed, and the No. 2 Weatherby barrel recrowned at 25". I hope to shoot a Shiras moose with the rifle here in Montana next month. Jake, my Dad, bought the rifle in the early 1960s and shot an even 20 elk with the rifle out to about 500 yards. It is not a cartridge for just anybody, but he could handle the recoil. He used the 180-grain Hornady Spire-Point ahead of 76 grains of IMR-4831.An additional note--my brother owns a .300 Weatherby in the Colt-Sauer Rifle. He has shot a number of elk with it. In May 1986 he and I were hunting (I was an Alaska resident at the time) in Hood Bay on Admiralty Island in Southeast Alaska. I saw him kill an 8'2" male bear at 25 yards with that .300 using the 200-grain Nosler Partition. I have never seen a quicker kill. I don't know what his powder charge was.People can bad-mouth the .300 Weatherby but it is probably the finest .300 magnum in existence. The rest of the .300s are imitators or insanely over-bore. Just remember that the .300 Weatherby is not for just anyone. Most guys would be better off shooting a .30/06.

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from alabamahunter wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

The last two sentences I was talking about the 7mm/08. Hate it when I don't proofread.

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from alabamahunter wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

While I'm no expert Jeff I do know my guns and ballistics fairly well. The 30/30 would extremely limit your effective range and would be a definite handicap, but it would absolutely kill just about anything you want it to. I've had good luck with the 7mm/08 out to 300 yards. The 30/06 would definitely be an option and would give you versatility. The 270.WSM is also a great round if you plan on shooting really long ranges on mule deer. I think for muleys ,pronghorn,and whitetails. It has low recoil and is very accurate. Good luck.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

mArketingrename it "Weatherby 3000"write W3K on box, make packaging metallic green or blue (put cool sci fi or monster scenes on box)talk about vel, energy, power compare it to slower ammo in .30"It aint your granpa's Weatherby"offer cool tactical packages using buzz namesetc etcit will be "cool"Americans are morons n will eat it up

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from Jeff Nelson wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Coop - I do all my hunting in Hollywood. Guess that's why there's so many Weatherbys around."Never rassle with a pig. You get all dirty and the pig likes it too much".

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from Jamie wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Not so much to do with a .300, but I am moving out west and currently have a .30/30 for my North Carolina backwoods.Will this be too underpowered?I know people have taken these west and have been sucessful. Should I trade it in for a .30-06 or more powerful gun?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Imagine you travel to go on a fly in hunt or some special guided hunt and your luggage comes up missing? Your ammo is gone! Your dear sweet Weatherby Ammo is GONE! O’MY! And you’re in some hellhole! Try and find the ammo you need and good luck sucker in finding it!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Dr. RalphWhat happened to all the Anti-Crossbow people? You would think they would be here condemning these BIG AND BAD MAGNUMS, that it's unsportsmanship to have so much of an edge on other hunters? I wonder perhaps these Magnum People are the Anti-Cross bowers themselves?Humm? Got to think this one over? They do have the same level of rage against other Sportsmen!What do you think Doc?Personally, what ever you fell comfortable and able to do the job, go for it! 700 Nitro on deer, what ever!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Goly’Ge their Mr. Jeff Nelson,Weatherby sells one hell of a lot of rifles and ammo to people?What continent are these people on, Africa perhaps? Of all the places I’ve been, Marlin, Remington, Ruger, Winchester, Thompson Contender and once in a while a Savage will show up. Besides, I’ve done a lot of hunting and thinking about it, a Weatherby would have not been kneaded on all accounts. Alaska Natives use 30-30 on Grizzly, Brown (the same bear as a Grizzly) and Polar Bear. They are good at what they do and don’t waist time and effort in doing so. There far better hunters than anyone you can come up with, yet alone name!Besides, I have more fun and adventure with my 25-06 than you will ever know! By the way, have you ever shot a barrel out yet (3 barrels in 25-06, 2 barrels in 22-250) or better yet, wore a action clean out? I have!The 25-06 ROCKS!Girly Men can’t handle the 25-06!

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from Jeff Nelson wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Some of the nonsense people write on this blog simply boggles the mind. So the Weatherby MKV "never caught on", DrRalph? It's only been in production for nearly 50 years. I see plenty of them in the hands of hunters who certainly aren't elitists or from Hollywood. Clay Cooper thinks that necking down the 300 WSM to .25 would be a great idea 'cause Weatherby ammo is too expensive. That's all well and good, but he doesn't mention that ammo for the short mags is nearly as expensive as Weatherby ammo, doesn't feed nearly as well, and can't match the performance. The fact is that Weatherby sells one hell of a lot of rifles and ammo to people who appreciate both the performance and the prestige behind the name.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

.300 Wby. Mag. $38.99 at Cabela's $33.99 from Cheaper than Dirt how many you want? Nosler Ballistic Tips in 30-06 from most any manufacturer will run $26.99. The cost difference to me is not that great. Practice with the $6.99 surplus '06 loads.The real reason that Weatherby never caught on is the price of the rifles... Nobody could explain away the price of a Mark V to his wife and so it was for Hollywood hunters and elitists. Enter the Vanguard. Made in Japan like Browning and every scope not European or Leupold. Extreme accuracy at extreme velocity for $399.00 and they're collecting dust? Either there is extreme prejudice involved or they just don't want to be an elitist wannabe...

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Weatherbys indeed are pricy compared to Rugers, Remchesters, etc. Also, as so astutely pointed by others, are ammo and components. Both situations can be avoided if indeed one does want a .300 Wea. which in my humble opinion is an exceedingly excellant choice for long range shooting of large mammals but not as good as the various .338s but again I repeat others. The option is to locate one of those Remington M-700s so chambered or have a .300 Win. rechambered or build one from scratch, whatever your wallet will allow. Remington also makes the brass (I suppose they still do as I would have to look at Midway to verify if it is available today) and sells it for much less money than the genuine Weatherby article. As a matter of interest I have always noted the lack of Weatherby actions at any shooting event even though the shooters could probably afford any rifle action they want. There are mechanical reasons for this reality. The truth is I presently prefer the various Ultras over the equivelant Weatherbys but of course routinely encounter those who disagree. A portion of all of this is why most shotgunners are happy with 1 or 2 gauges but riflemen seem desire many many different calibers and variations of these calibers to fill each little niche of which we perceive. I am as guilty as anyone.

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from dillonaero 134d wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago
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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

The reason why I don’t own a Weatherby is the price of ammo, especially empty cases for reloading. If Weatherby think there products are so great to have the highest price and that’s been on the market over 40-50 some odd years, they can just keep their golden idol! So what if they have a radius on the shoulder. If Winchester had the BALLS they would take one of their cartridges and work it up. Take a 30 WSM and neck it down to 257 to make a 257 WSM and give Weatherby 257 Weatherby a run for their money!I just remembered, of all the hunts and running ranges for recreational shooting including Alaska, Weatherby was no place to be found. Imagine that the Mr. all American gun maker! And the 5 Weatherby rifle I did see, the shooter couldn’t hit the side of a barn with it! Ammo so damn expensive, they couldn’t afford to play with it to see what it can do! Sounds French to me! My 338 Win Mag works just fine!The next time you go into a Sports Shop, look for their Weatherby ammo and checkout the price. O’yes, I forgot to remind you that you must blow off the years of dust and spider webs first just to read the price tag yet alone to read the box label!Weathrby, The All American Shelf Rider Of All Times!HERES YOUR SIGN!

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from eric wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I have a Wal-Mart special Vanguard in 300 wby with the classic style syn stock.The only modification has been to add a limbsaver pad.I also remove some more of the recoil bite by handloading the ammo that I shoot.I love the accuracy of this rifle and cartridge at both long and short range.This may not be the round for everyone but I am sure glad that I crossed paths with it.

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from CoRoMo wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I've long been hopping to buy myself a Weatherby Mark V, in .300 Weatherby. It would be as close to a custom rifle as I'll ever see, but I don't seem to have the right lotto numbers yet. My M77 .270 has been doing the job on everything I've hunted including these Colorado elk, and I guess it will have to continue to do so.

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from PotterMan96 wrote 5 years 1 week ago

I am thinking about buying a .300 what are your thoughts about what brand I should buy thanks

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