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January 04, 2008

Remington Buys Marlin

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

Last week I heard that Remington is scheduled to buy Marlin Firearms effective by the end of January. I have no idea what this means. AR-15s with wood stocks and exposed hammers? Your guess is as good as mine. No, I am not jerking your chain. This is for real.

Let the speculation begin.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 7 weeks ago

Michigan Mike,Bought my last 700 (a classic in .350 rem mag) in '86. It has the same problem with ejection. If you cycle the bolt fast it extracts but does not eject causing a double feed. Go slow or tip the gun and it works fine. Problem was I had to keep my head and not forget to tip the gun while keeping my eye on the bear just shot.

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from Michigan Mike wrote 6 years 7 weeks ago

Remington has completely lost its way. This comes from a person who has owned Model 700's all his life and can tell you the quality has gone down hill and fast.If you have a problem don't look to the company for satifaction either. I bought four BDL's and one SPS over the last two years.They all had feeding and ejecting problems. I am no math genius but the odds of five Model 700's having the same problem is completely off the charts. Could not happen, would not happen. It would be like being struck by lighting in five different states at the same time while holding a winning Powerball ticket.I called the company and a manager named John Lotion basically told me it was all in my head. And get this, he told me that if the BDL (300 RUM) in question didn't eject the shells properly I should tip the gun to get them out. Look, I am not some navy seal or police tactical expert, but I am not an idiot either. I jogged a few times around the track.I will look elsewhere and spend more money (Steyr Prohunter maybe) but I will not have to deal with what I like to call the "Remington headache" anymore.They fought me on the first two repairs so when the problem arose again in the last three I just took them back for a refund. My Remington days are over I am sorry to say.

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from B. Schumacher wrote 6 years 11 weeks ago

Remington Rifles, I purchased a new Remington 770 Bolt action in 300win. mag.in Dec. of 2007. When I was getting it ready to shoot I noticed it had not been Rifled.None at all,"smooth bore".This is in response to an above comment on a tour of the lion plant in N.Y. and the bad Quality Control reported by the employees there.How could a rifle go thru the entire manufacturing process with no one seeing that the rifling was missing. I think Remington has some major problems.

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from B. Schumacher wrote 6 years 11 weeks ago

Remington Rifles, I purchased a new Remington 770 Bolt action in 300win. mag.in Dec. of 2007. When I was getting it ready to shoot I noticed it had not been Rifled.None at all,"smooth bore".This is in response to an above comment on a tour of the lion plant in N.Y. and the bad Quality Control reported by the employees there.How could a rifle go thru the entire manufacturing process with no one seeing that the rifling was missing. I think Remington has some major problems.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

If Remington don;t wake up and learn a tad about us old hunters they are hopeless. I do believe they want to get out of thje gun business all total.As they stopped selling handguns period a few years back. Now that they removed guns from l000 stores, that should tell us something. Maybe the seasoned hunters finally woke up and found out the guns Wal-mart sells is not teh same quality the average FFL dealer sells. At least in my area that is the way it is. This new Mossberg in Walnut is a gem. Looks much better than most higher $ guns and by far better than that ADL at Wal-marts.I also believe Savage hs improve its line of guns, their old faithful model ll0 is hard to beat and the Stevens 200 is just a ll0 with a gray stock. The Savages I;ve owned and shot, shoot well.Most will shoot l" at l00 yds and one I had did well at 2" at 200 yds.I seriously am thinking of a Weather Warrior for out west hunting in terrible weather. Mount a great scope with steel mounts, and should be ok. Shoot-um-straight and often. PS; Can buy 2 Savages for l Remington at current prices

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from Richard wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

Maybe they'll bring back that crazy mutt-thing they called the Garden Gun. Not likely, but it would still be kinda cool.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

I think we all should contact and voice our objection to a use to be quality AdL.Now they only making cheapo version just for Wal-mart.It'time for us Sports-people grip/bitch are whatever to both REM Wal-marar;; All Wal mart wants is the sale. Buy a firearm from a old established dealer, allow him to make enough topay his bills, and a meal now and then. Wal-Mart has done this same threat to many other Businesses and it's gone down hill. The new owners of Remingto, could care less for quality, just the cash-rsgister. I for me have already voice my objections to Rem., Now I will concenrate on Savage, as a quality gun, US made and shoots great. About time Rem was made aware of how we feel. I;ve used Remingon Products for 40 odd years, but that has/will change. Nope the junkie ADL that is in Wal-marts(the remainder of the l000 stores who stopped selling firearms) is not the gun of 3-4 yrs ago. Let Rem know how you feel. On puter will only take you 5 minutes to sound off. Strength is in numbers, and if enough ofcomplain I feel some changes will occur. This Model 715 and 770 looks like made of beer cans,and been told shoots same way. My next large game rifle,buying soon, will save a Savage Weather Warrior, I just bought a Italy made Uberti 44-40 distribued by Benelli.Theold Savage model710 been around many years and wil continue to do so. I do like teh slifing 3 position that many firearms don;t have.I prefer the Firing pin/sear and trigger to be locked in ntil ready to fire. Too bad Remigton decided to cheapen its products after so many pers in production. So guys, rather than buy one Remigton 700 large caliber,can now buy one large Caliber Savage and one small preditor gun for the amount of $ spent on just one gun by REm. I suggest we buy some Savage stock, as Remington going south for sure,.Poor old MArlins days are numbered as ws UAA long guns afer Rem bought them out. Rem also trying to get into handgun business, as they lerened that the-Law-enforcement industry, buys more handguns than all us huntes combined.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

Rocky Mt Hunter, you are" right on" with the Rem.700adl's at Wal-Mart. I had to look twice to see if it really was a Rem. Nothing like my ADL from "85...

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

WA Mtn Hunter: good luck in Colorado. My first 6 x 6 Elk came from south of Steamboat springs back a few years ago on the 20 mile Coal minning property. My Son got a nice Mulie near Maybell and on Black Mtn. I love Colorado, but at the Moment I don;t have a contact for Bulls/Bucks. I and Disabled/Handicapped and limited to walking.Mostly I stand hunt or ride a 4 wheeler . In Mt. Got a contact who takes me out on private property as well as the Bitteroots and lots of Elk and Mulies, providing the weather runs them down lower. PAst 4 years been successful in Montana, so if draw will go again. At my age of 72, few long distance hunts left in this worn out body, so gonna go as long as possible. I got spoiled to the ELk Bugle my first trip out, and it ruined me forsure. Where in Colorado do you hunt? I;ve huned all over that state and love the country plus the beautiful scenery. No more beautiful than the area about l mile east of Steamboat on Highway 40, looking down over the lower elevations. I went one year about mid-Oct, and the leaves were just beautiful.We stopped on a pull out and made a roll of 35 mm film. We have also stayed in Craig and hunted West and north towards the WY border, but access is hard to come by. I hunt with a handucaped group in CO. and if the guy can get permission for a Hunt to kill a Bull on private property I may go there also. Really don;t matter to me, where out west I go, the scenery is outstading plus if kill game thats a bonus for me. If you go to Craig, by all means go to the Cowboy Museume and plan on spending a lot of time. More guns and western stuff than all of Co. combined, think its free, maybe a donation forgot. We usually fly into Denver, rent a car drive out on 70 to Dillon, then north on 13 to Kremlin take 40 west to Steamboat and Craig. A beautiful drive. If you go that direction, be pepared for Rabbit ears pass. I was stuck in Steamboat once for 4 days,as snow awas 5 ft deep and roads closed plus Denver Aiprot closed as well. But I did not care,as had my Elk at processors and just took life easy for the 4 days.My only regret is I did not go to the Rockies about 40 yrs ago and buy a Ranch. O what a retirement place to be. I've blabbed enough tonight, so will get to other stuff. Good luck. O, I just picked up my new magazine and they got all the center fire Savages there.Looks as if can get what I want for less than 500.00 bucks, Syn/SS, then will at the set up and Nikon Monarch 3 x 9 x 40.I told Remington, that there were other firearms on the market and if they depend on Wal-mart for all their sales, better they get out of the gun business all total.They also trying to buy TAurus. Stats says that the Law enforcement dept. buys more handguns than all the other buyers combined, This new owner wants the mega $$$$$. They told the mangement of Rem which did 500 million in 2006, that they wanted a billion in sales in 2009.....That should tell us a lot.AS I told Rem. there were other fish in the pond, just as good as the Bass. If enough of us hunters grip to Remington, maybe can change , but doubt it after they sold out to the investment Co who bought the largest Power installition Co.( Pike Elec.) in the South in my back door. My daugher in law been there for 24 yrs, and never knows from day to day what is to take place.Ok, gone, take care. Will chat again, hopefully. Hey, one last item., you mentioned your Son.My Son who is 54, he and I been hunting for 42 yrs and this past fall was the first time we both killed a Deer in same day. He killed his buck and came to get the truck, while he was gone I killed a buck. So was a proud moment for both.We have 5 week season here, and we hunt about every day or some part of it. usally about 2 hrs early and 2 hrs late, no Sunday hunting allowed in N>C>.I;m doing a Europen mount on both. Learned how to do that in MT. Saves a lot of $$$ as a mount here runs about 400 for deer and 700 for Elk. Ok, gone.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

RMHGood luck in the MT draw. I guess we are on for a 9-day hunt in Colorado for the 2nd Rifle Season. Talked to our landowner tonight and we are good to go! Colorado tags are due the first week in April, but the unit we hunt in has over the counter bull tags and always has leftover either-sex tags for private land only hunts. We usually put in for the deer tags in the early draw just to be sure on them.I would not be afraid of the Savage 110 series rifles. My son has an older 110 with synthetic stock in 7mm Rem Mag and it is a 1 MOA shooter with most loads. I handload 160 gr Speer Mag Tips to duplicate the 160 gr Federal Trophy Bonded loads. The son mixed up his loads and killed a 6x6 bull with the handloads last year. They did the job. I have shot some groups smaller than 1 inch with that rifle, although he has trouble shooting tight groups due to his glasses I think. He can always put 10 rounds inside a 3 inch circle. I think that is good enough for "minute of elk".Later. Got to snooze. Big goose hunt tomorrow a.m.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

WA Mtn Hunter: Thanks for the reply. I got my Montana application in the mail today. So soon as I find 647.00 for Combo Elk/Deer licenses will return by 3-15-08. Talked with my guide in Missoula, MT last night, all is a go again for a 2 week hunt, providing I do draw. Been told my a girl who works at the Game Dept. that a Non-Res always has a 99% chance to draw if applies for the Combo, as MT does like that 647.00 also. Out of the past 7 years,only the first year did I not draw, but no guarantees will again. All depends on the weather and the # of estimated animals available. Where I hunt they got about 10 ft of snow now. Bad for game, but thats their water supply. Elk and Mulies are in the Bottoms now eating along the creek bottoms and farmers hay stacks.HAve been hearing and observing the Remington stories lately, of Quality, buy-outs, etc. So I wrote Remington about the ADL. Got a letter today, yes REMINGTON is still making the ADL in Black Syn and a few Camo;s for WAL_MART ONLY. I saw one of the black jobs last week and it looks like was made from a beer can in China. The quality has gone. If Remington is gonna play this game of Wal-mart only for sales, we as hunters best be shopping saround for another brand sold by our local gun shop. Try getting a Scope Mounted at Wal-mart, Heck, the guy/girl don;t even know which end the bullet comes out of. I;m gonna look serious at the Savage line again, as I want a 270 with Syn stock.Have you seen the Rem. Model 710, now gone and the replacement in model 715 and 770? Check them out, give me you opinion. O ,I love a plastic trigger guard they got on them. My CDL is not the quality of my older 700's BDL by far, much cheaper built. If the Wheatherby Vanguard bbl did not say Made in Japan, I'd buy one in a jif. Ok, enough gripping, chat again later. Shoot-um-straigh and often.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

RMHI hear you. Good mounts and a good scope don't usually require re-zero every year. Just a little practice to tighten the nut behind the trigger.I just replaced the beautiful walnut stock on my Weatherby Mk V Sporter with an Ultra Light Wby stock. I hope it shoots as well. The wood was beginning to get beat up a little.I hope we are all able to hunt the mountains again this year. I can already hear the Colorado mountains calling my name. I wish you a prosperous and healthy New Year and lots of luck drawing that Montana license.Best regards, Sir.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Other than no floor plate orDet.magazine I too like the ADL as well as a BDL.But for some strange reason, I like most guns. Too bad the wallet don;t agree. I;ve hunted for 50 + years and most of that waswith a Remington.A Remington just FEELS right for me. Most other brands fel like a 2x 4 being held outward. I like the looks, the feel and now this new CDL I bought 3 sesons ago, shoots better than any rifle I ever put to my shoulder, other than the 35 yr odl 26-06 Classic by Rem. Both shoot within 2" or lessccat 200 yds . Thats about as steady as I can hold any gun.All this talk of 2" high at 100 yds will put you on 0at 200yds.Not so, some will shoot all the target pst l00 yds.When I buy a new gun,I attach a Mid-range price scope (500 bucks),use Leupold bases and rings in dual dove tail. I instal this set up 3 yrs ago on this CDL and the 0 has not change done bit after 3 trips to the Rockies and 5 weeks here. I do pratice a lot prior to my trips west,but never havehad to re-zero this gun. I can;t say that for some others I have. If you get a quality scope, rings,bass and not these chepo package deals which has a 29.95 scope and cheap Alloy base/rings. I at one time used Simmons scopes, but evry season, had to re zero. thas when I began reading and came up with this matchuo I now have. I have the exact setup on another 700,the 700 25-06, 2 742's and couple sporterized Mausers.All but the 25-06 are 30-06's That is enough gun for me and ammo available anywhere. I bught a new Wincheser 70 in 300 WSM, shot it a dozen tims, sold as fast asa buyer came along.It just did not shoot accurate and the rcoil was terrible. All my hunting guns for big game weigh near l0 lbs, with the added wt at the but end. I find that with a heavier Butt against my shoulder I can hold the gun more steady. All this Markley about light wt guns, can;t prove to me as accurate as a l0 pounder. Atteh bench does not matte, but in the field, sthat solid feeling against your houlder just gives me more confidence . Damn near killed me to boe the hole in that beautifulWalnut and add lead shot to get the wt at l0 lbs complete with scope/mts,Anyway, to sum it up this CDL shoots like a dream,and I would not even consider selling as long as I hunt.If health permits a disabled/handicapped guy of 72+ go this fall, will be hunting Elk/Deer/Lopes in Montana come Oct.And can bet the CDL and 25-06 will go along as well as my side arm in 44-40I just bought. Have you seen Remington's model 715? I wantca wheeler in 270/black syn to haul around. Hate to beat/bang up this beautiful walnut. Gave a great day and shoot-um-straight.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I find it funny that all of you shooters that hunt and don’t shoot farther than they can throw a rock are whining about not shooting sub MOA and what’s next, complaining of not shooting SOA! (Seconds of Angle) Get real folks! That piece of junk 300 Win Mag Ruger M-77 that I sold for $150.00 (replaced with a 25-06) wouldn’t shoot less than a 1 ½ inch group but it didn’t stop me from making 400-600 yard shots. Let’s see here, 1 ½” at 100 equals 3.0” at 200 that would be 6 inch group at 400 yards. That’s still in the kill zone! I wish I had a dollar for out shooting those 300 Win Mags topped with some extraterrestrial telescope on the 1000 yard line with my M1A with open sights and Ol’Sarg can relate to that I know!There are those that want more out of a hunting rifle than a target rifle! Remember those old farts that if they hit a pie plate at 50 yards? They are the one that bag out within the first but crack of dawn on opening day and getting that monster buck you’ve always dreamed of and you go home empty handed!!!Perhaps if you shooters instead of blaming your rifle and start honing your shooting and hunting skills instead, you might be a Happy Camper!Shooters stop your whining and go shoot some YODLE DOGS!

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from sarg wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Dave,...CIVILITY... realy?

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Rockymtnhunter, yes it was Walmart in Eastern Ky. (As far East as you can go before entering WV.) I did not like the gun, didn't see any BDL's. I'm always fool around a small store here local where a lot of guys are trading guns and saw a 700 in 30-06 with black sin. stock. It was used but looked good but i'm looking for a ADL in wood like my older .308. I like Rem. Have a new H/R .204 and a new Marlin in .17HMR. Rem.'s parent co which is an inveatment co. will own both. This co. proble just looking for an inv. not interested in the product as such. FREE ENTERPRISE...

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from sarg wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Dave, when they ask you for your guns, there is one word that makes a complete sentence, Do you know what that word is? It is simply "NO"

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Sarg: I;ve checked 5 different Wal-marts and they all had Rem ADL's. Check www.Remington Arms.com and they list a ADL but no further information is stated or shown. If I were buying a Rem.in Am would be the BDL. I don;t believe they had screwed it up just yet.. I found a ADL at Wal-marts, l00 miles away but not teh Caliber I wanted for 300.00, then another store, same gun for 325.00, both werre 06's I wanted a 270 in Syn /matt. as a haul about gun. Got many BDL's and a CDL but all walnut, need a beat around job. At this point, a Savage/Stevens appears to be in the running, for Quality and Price. They been making good out of the box guns for many years the faithful old ll0 now traded by Stevens is a great firearm and will shot better than 99% of us hunters.Add a quality scope and mounts, and you got as good as most of us need. Shoot-um-straight and often.Hey, tell me a little about a 44-40 for a side arm.A 44 mag is to much for me, plus I'd like a caliber that every Tom Dick and Harry did not have. Looking at a A.Uberti Cattleman, Case harden,blue, Walnut in 5 l/2"bbl.Yep, I know Ammo not in all the stores, but I will have enough not to run out.As the Colt copies go the A Uberti kinda stands outfor the wtand feel to my small hands. I Plan another Rocky Mtn hunt for Elk/Deer in Oct. and some bears still feeding,plus I just like to shoot a western style handgun. Suppose that's the Cowboy left in me that I always wanted to be when was growing up. To bad we don;t follow our dreams, but life sometimes is cruel. My first hunt to the Rocky Mtns, I hd a opportunity to buy 50 acres of land and a new Cabin 16'x 20' with a loft and front porch on a small stream.No power, but a Compose john and a Generator, a Rifle, Axe, Lantern and only 100 yds off state road for $49.995, payable at 99.99 per month. How Stupid I was to let it slide. O to be able to re-live/think/do passed by opportunities. That's History now, to old to need it, other than for my Grandkids. TAke care, enjoy our chats here. Learn a lot, some bull, but thats life.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Mike, I agree with you, I 've got Oldsmouiles but I bought a new Toyota Camray made here at localy at Georgetown, Ky . I'm a fond believer that if any other vehicle will hold up to it, I don,t know of any. I bought a new ford truck in 1978, when working on it, i found out it was made in Canada, Still a good truck.All my guns are American made, Can't afford a good Browning.I had a gut jump on me one day for buying antoyota and he goes out and ride of on a foreign Motorcycle. By the way , the motor and tran. in my camary was made here in neighboring W.Virginia. as i've said earlier in this blog, I went looking for another Rem. 700, Wouldn't want what i saw. By the way, they did have a new Rem. 700 ADL in .270 , Must have been a left over...

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

As I stated earlier, Remimgton has already begun to make cheaper fiearms. You recall that the BDls of past, the very black end of the foearm was of a material bedded into the stock, and was black. I bought a new CDl when they came out 3 yrs ago and the add said, black forend and grp cap.Well they are black in color, but only color, they are painted black. I scratchedmy CDla tad and was giving it te once over while cleaning and learned the end cap ws oly pained on. Now to keep the end looing black, I taped it out and bought a can of black spray paint/Now after each hunting season and guns are cleaned and stored till next season, I go thru this process again. It looks good until I start using, then the paint comes off./I got 4 other BDLs in different calibers, some are over 40s old, and Damn, they look better than this 3 yr old CDL. So don;t think a Merger, NO a Buy OUT of MArlin will start the Quality control to go south, it has already begun with Remington'ds current Models. If you doubt my word, go look at a Now gone Model 710 and its replacements which are the 715 and 770. Then you can see what to expect after Remington takes over. I hate to see this happen, as I;ve used Remimgto firearms since l952 when i bpught my first Sportsman 48 12 ga Remington and have owed many since. I do want a all weather firearm, as ugly as they look (Black Syn Stocks Matt Bbls), but at my age, I'm, not as careful as i was 40 yrs ago/But at 72+ I got all the guns I will ever need. If you interestd in a Remington, buy the present BDL, I think the quality may yet be there. If you ever wanted a Lever action firearm, go get a Marlin 336 ASAP, with the new soft tip Ammo its a dreamhunting gun for 200 yds and less, but it shines as a woods gun and in foul weather.Forget the scope. Learn how to judge the depth of you bead in the V and you can put the animal down. Going shopping in AM for a Marlin 35.

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

At the risk of losing my creds with the Gun Nut crowd, I do not believe, with the exception of a pawn shop Model 60 that distinguished itself primarily with the cheesy squirrel motif of its birch woodwork, that I have ever owned a Marlin firearm.Now Remington? At one time I bled green. I must have been the only suburban kid in Norman, Oklahoma that pasted those cool old Remington ads on my bedroom wall.So I can't comment on what the merger may do to Marlin's QC.As for Remington, well, let's just say I check the serial numbers on any Remingtons I may be interested in purchasing, and if the gun wasn't made roughly prior to the year in which I was striking out at my senior prom, I really have to think about it...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

The best grouse gun in Alaska is a 22 handgun! Shootem in the head!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Mike DiehlYou have a pointWith today’s manufacturers three things are happening. First there sovereign and strong! Second, they are being bought out mainly by overseas investors. Take toll road 80 running thru Illinois. It is now under the control of a foreign company now. Third, the employees went Union and/or demanded more pay and benefits like GM where 60 percent of their profits go to taking care of those from cradle to grave. Not only that, employees must show up for work knowing there is no work for them to get a full payday. I remember when Colt Machinists went on strike during the Clinton administration. HA! HA! HA! You bums are now out of work and you deserve it because of it!!!!!! Stupid people, here’s your sign!Springfield Armory says there made in America! Then why does my 45XD says made in Croatia? If I knew this before buying it sight unseen, I would have purchased another Ruger P90 or something!!!I hope a pray that Remington/Marlin doesn’t follow suite?AMERICA UNDER SIEGE!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

"Buy American, or Kiss my A$$!"Neither, thanks. Your A$$ has a lot in common with American built cars -- neither should be seen on the streets.If you want to improve quality in *any* manufactured good, buy the best merchandise you can once you've determined what you are willing to spend. I got a Ford truck, a Toyota car, a bunch of American made firearms, one Brazilian, and one Austrian. I got no complaints about any of 'em because I made the best consumer choice.Any American company that makes a product that is more expensive than and inferior to a foreign-made product needs to get their act together or else deserves to go belly-up.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

DaveSimply put this is one of the best blogs going. As others have said above, sports blogs and news blogs are pretty awful then there are the teen blogs dedicated to overpaid, overrated psuedo-entertainers. What the hell are we paying bazzions of dollars to educate these kids for. They write in acronyms and make zero sense.Ralph the RiflemanThroughout much of the last century Winchester produced firearms which were out of the reach of Joe Sixpack anyway. When it came out the Model 70 was about half again the cost of its competitors, the M 52 was at least twice as pricey (yes Winchester did turn out single shot camp rifles for the Y and Scout camp market - but they were not top quality either) as any other .22 bolt action. The Model 94 (I own and love one) was never the equal in quality or accuracy of the Marlin and was far less costly to make which is why Winchester could sell it for less. I could go on about their shotguns but won't.AllWe can lament the death of American quality, OR, we can do something about it. How about we in our own work produce the best product or give the best service we possibly can. How about we encourage our peers to do likewise. How about we seek out American products ALWAYS, and if the quality is not up to snuff we let the manufacturer know it but if the quality is there then pay the extra for that American made item. As one person there is little I can do, but as one plus one plus one... (like the tv ad goes) we can make a difference!And, to add a little incivility for Dave, if you are driving a VW, Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, Nissan, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Mitsubishi, Volvo, SAAB, Subaru or any other foreign POS, YOU, Yes YOU, are part of the F*&^ing Problem! Buy American, or Kiss my A$$!SA

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

28-ga, granted, isn’t the cheapest gauge to feed factory hunting and targets loads. I still love to hunt grouse and pheasants with my old 1100 although I heard some of the old boys’ claim 28 and 410 are only good for bumblebees and meadowlarks.BTW I was encouraged to shoot in my local winter league and am shooting clay targets for the first time in six-years. It gave me pause to learn shot is pushing $40/bag and primers are $28/1000. The only thing not doubled in price in my absence is powder and targets.

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from Tommy S. wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Dave,Now that the jokes are out of the way...I own both Rems and a Marlin.The .22 semi auto I have been shooting for over a decade with no problems until over the x-mas vacation.The bolt will not close! You know how the bolt pops open on that rifle when the ammo is out? There is a lever by the trigger gaurd that you push and the bolt closes.I removed the trigger housing, the barrel from the stock, cleaned and re-oiled. The springs look to be in place and all looked ok, but it still will not close. No round in the action either.WTF?

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from Tommy S. wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I thought I was pretty smart to know why defenses put 8 in the box!Shxt!

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from Tommy S. wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I guess I won't ask if you saw any of the playoff games this weekend Dave.Goodness.So if you like to watch a ball-game you are a member of a herd of ignorant swine.Oh - watch the run-on sentences.Ha ha.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I finally figured it out... Remington wanted to be affiliated with a .22 semi-automatic that actually was semi-automatic.Clay we have an elephant in Nashville at the zoo. I shot one of those Rem 6.8 SPC's this weekend. Brother-in-law has one now in the T/C G2 or whatever it is. I still call them all Contenders. Unfortunately he didn't see any deer while he was here because we both really wanted to see what that thing could do. He says those good old Appalachian boys in east Tennessee are all sold on the Olympic Arms black rifle. Claims they're cheaper and better than Bushmaster or DPMS plus I can get one in 6.8 SPC now... This guy goes through more guns than anyone I've ever met and he's of the opinion that the cheaper guns like Savage are actually now better than the more expensive ones. He sent two rifles back to Browning this year. Oh and the Wal-Mart by him is selling Vanguards for $369.Come on Dave, give him a 28 gauge so we can all stand by and watch him go broke trying to feed it. How's that for civility?

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from Dave Petzal wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

To Mark-1: All you get is my official recognition as a person of taste and culture. If there were a small-frame 28-gauge around, I would snag it, although I can't imagine what one would use such a thing for.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Well, people used to hunt elephants in North America with spears, so I don't think your .30-30 will be outdated just because of an inopportune ice age or anything.I like Weatherby's entry-level Athena side-by-side shotgun, and Savage's 114 Classic rifles. I also like Ruger's entire handgun line, their Model 1, the Gold Label, and their Model 77 RSI.The only thing Remington offers for which I have any regard is the 870 Wingmaster.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

The merger of Remington and Marlin, I’ve come up with this conclusion. First, I believe the merger is a terrific idea. Both Remington and Marlin has always targeted the average shooter needs. A quality firearm, at a price that one can afford. The problem I see with any merger is any problem that both companies must be fixed or eliminated. Normally it’s the personnel that brought down the company to begin with. Fire the bums because they must go because in time like a virus or cancer they too will bring down the newly formed company like previously!The bottom line is this. It’s a marriage made in heaven! However like any marriage, the couple must keep focus on the strengths to which made them so great! Now I hope that some Goober Smootcher (IDIOT!) doesn’t come along to screw it all up! I love both companies. I never owned a Savage, but Savage is finally gotten off the tree stump and start working to catch the eye and interest like myself. Thompson Contender???? They think there trying, but only by reinventing the wheel and falling short by their new Icon rifle not chambering calibers that I would like. Weatherby???? Their rifles, standing with cash in hand, I decided to buy another brand. Weatherby ammo, they sure are damn proud of and not worth paying 4 times the amount for additional 150 fps. I haven’t seen anything that has been shot, that a good shot placement of a 30-30 would do! Has anyone spotted any elephants in North America yet?

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I have been singularly unimpressed by Remington in the last six years. Their "Spartan" line of overseas-built junk, the crude finish of the 870 Express, and the relatively low performance-fit-finish vs. cost ratio of their rifle lines has knocked them off my list of firearms manufacturers from whom I'd consider buying a firearm.I think this fortends a downturn in the quality of Marlin branded products.Ruger, Savage, and Weatherby are "where it's at" IMO.

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

In for lunch and from cleaning up my poor beasts of burden [horses] and playing that Irish Banjo."Molon labe" [pronounced: mo-lon La-ve] is “Come and Take Them”, but it means “No Surrender”. Military History, Folks!Is what the Spartan King…Leno---whatever…..replied to the Persian King’s offer at the Battle of Thermopiley [sp] to surrender with their lives if the Spartans laid down their arms.Sorta inspiration, huh.Hey, Dave. Do I get a delicate 28-ga small frame o/u for this?forgive the spelling

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from Dave Petzal wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

To YooperJack: Believe me, you guys are appreciated. If I need to be reminded of the lack of education of the average American, I just listen to our local radio or television news. You can't go 5 minutes without hearing the kind of grammatical mistake that we would have been called down for in the 4th grade.As for sports, and sports fans, words fail me. What puzzles me here, though, is that there have been some marvelous sports writers over the years; men who were funny and literate and insightful--all writing for a herd of ignorant swine.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Mark-1:Is that a rough translation? Both sentences have a similar intent.Ralph:I think we are watching an evolution in the gun industry. Winchester was gone, but now its comming back. Ruger and Savage are expanding with upgrades. Remington and H-R have been taken over by Cerrebus. If that private capital company tries too hard (cuts quality)to cut costs and improve profits, corporate "Good Will" will suffer. The brand will diminish. As such, the overall brand name will be worth less. This will, however, give an edge to the companies like Ruger and Savage to increase their sales. The key, for those companies, will be to develop models to compete with the big guys and also to remain profitable.Dave Petzal:Your problem is that you blog in an area where the average IQ of the reader/writer is considerably higher than blogs that address other fields. Some time when you are REALLY BORED, read some the blogs at the Wasjington Post Website. You'll be thankful you've got us. If you're still wondering, go to foxsports.com and read the football blogs. You will realize that most dollars spent on eduction are truly wasted.YooperJack

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from Dave Petzal wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

To Mark-1. Right you are. Can you give us the context?

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

No SurrenderCome and Take Them

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from Dave Petzal wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

To everyone: I have been growing increasingly distressed by the trend toward civility in this blog, and now we have Papa Bear quoting Heraclitus. What is the world coming to?In any event, here's a contest for you all: What does this short sentence (in ancient Greek) mean?"Molon labe."

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Most companies are "for profit", and let's face it quality guns are always based on cost. Many guns producted by Winchester compared to today's value, for example, would be too expensive for the average working man wages and lets face it that's where companies make there living;selling to the middle class.Bottom line, I don't think this will have a negative impact on the two companies, and I hope it will solidify their place in the gun market.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Bernie, I was at a large chain store looking at their New guns the other day,(SAT) and I would not trade my 1986 Rem 700 for all the Rem. 700 in stock., You would be wise to keep all your older gun, than buy modern production guns now.. I wander what this by-out by Rem is going to do to the other guns purchased?

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from sarg wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Dr Ralph, Have you picked up a Marlin 90 over/under shotgun. I saw one the other day, one of the slickest, easy pointing shotguns I ever picked up. Couldn't afford this one but I sure liked it.

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from Bernie Kuntz wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I have to admit that I do not know a lot about the quality of firearms built during the last decade because I haven't bought anything. Almost everything I own was made from the 1950s to the 1980s. It saddens me to hear stories from you guys writing in to the blog about malfunctioning new firearms, terrible triggers and wood, bad Weatherby rifles (I have two of them, circa late 1950s and 1965, and they are wonderful! But that says nothing about what is being built today.)I don't know what else to say. I fear that our country's pride in producing quality products has waned.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Quality control went out the window with the wash water.All this new Co.wants is to make more $$$, as all investment Co's want. Have you look closely at Remington;s new Model 710 ( not history), their 715 and 770. If this is a indication of what they will do to Marlin, better buy up your lever Marlin pronto.When Remington made the ADl,BDL little difference in the two, other than the hinged foorplate and that black forend. Price was muxch cheaper on the ADL. Now that the ADL is History, these new firearms ae a hunk of junk. But, suppose if you buy all the good companies out, then do away with quality, you got to make more money. I planned to buy a all weather firearm for the Rockies next year as a gun takes a beating out there, after this latest merger/buy-out, Savage is now in my scope of all weather firearms. Plus less $$$ up front. The old model ll0's hae proven ovefr the years to be a great firearm, it may not shoot MOA every shot, but how many of us can shot that well with any firearm. Savage has a Model 111FCXP3 with a 3-9-40 mounted scope, Detachable Magazine in calibers from 243 thru 300 Win mag for less than $375.00 retail. Plan to place my order in AM as no Remington now or later will equl the price or quality. At my age, don;t need any new firearms, but we all look for excuses for a new gun, or I do. Got enough real remingtons to last my lifetime, just want a knock about syn stock gun and Savage fills that slot with $$$ left for tags in teh Rockies. I hope I'm wrong, but if history repeats itself, Remington will soon be just another has-been, as I know the Co who's bought them and I know what they will do to Marlin, cut all teh cornes possible.Repeating myself from yesterday, but it gets my nerves on edge to see a fine Co be eaten up and its reputation shot out the window. Look at the fine firearm Co's that have gone in pst 50 years or less. Your better built firearms are now imports. LAw enforcement is the largest buyer of firearms in the world, now Remington wants to get into the handgun business as well. Better buy that AR-l5 soon unless you want a 2nd rate R-l5.As for H&R/NEF look at the price tag now, then look in a few years, will double.O well, there's always Rossi.As for a Remington hunting rifle, better get a CDL immediately. Hey, was at Wal-marts this week, they have some ADL's left at a good buy, quality I don;t know, kinda looks different than the ADL of 2-3 yrs ago.Rem may be building a ADL just for Wal-mart's, there goes your quality again.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Dave, I guess that means that Rem. will also own H/R as Marlin owns them now...

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from sarg wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

jstreet, I had a little older Marlin 336 lever gun in .35 Rem. That gun had some of the prettiest wood I believe I ever saw. Wish a thousand time that I had not sold It...

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Remington just realized it's been coming out with side by side and over under shotguns for the last forty years that nobody buys so they jumped to aquire Marlin so they can sell those Elsie Smiths that nobody buys too! A shrewd manuever indeed.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

As a leading propagandist for the vast right wing conspiracy I just want everyone to realize that this is a plan for complete and total world domination... after buying up every gun company in the world they will shut them all down and the money AND guns will just plain disappear. Don't even bother looking... either that or Cerberus has taken lessons from Sam Walton on how to make money.On the brighter side the guy who runs this company claims to hunt and ride a Harley Davidson. He can't be all bad, he gave Dan Quayle a job.

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from Blue Ox wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I believe Peter's got it right. As long as the corporate bean counters are in control, they will be pushing quantity, not quality. Being a machinist myself, (for a global company, no less) all too often I find that I'm forced to use worn-out or broken tooling to create what's on the blueprint. Then there's management, bitching about quotas. And at the same time, I've got quality control breathing down my neck to make sure every piece is up to spec. It's a sad reality to have to deal with, and I'm sure it happens almost everywhere.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I'm not sure this merger is a good deal for Marlin. The investment Co. who bought Remington bought a power instalation Co here in N.C. a few years back,All this groupe of investors want is to make money. I also understand that Remington did 500 Million in business in 2007 and this new groupe wants that doubled to l billion within 2 years.They also looking to get into the handgun market with Taurus as their # l choice to date. Big is not always better. Remington is my gun of choice to hunt with, but that can change at a moments notice if I buy a lousy firearm. Big is not allways better. A old Southern saying is, you can get to big for your britches. Time will tell. So far the mergers Remington has taken, not doing all that well, look at EAA. I always buy USA when I can and products equal or better, but I just bought a handgun mfgered in Italy and it's a jewel, it's a copy (A.Uberti) of the Colt Peacemaker and it looks to be and shoots as accurate so far.Hang on to your present Marlin's as those guys who owned the pre 64 model 70's did. Got a feeing the pre 2008's of Marlin will be worth a lot, and we all know the quality will be there in those.The come-laters will be for the $$ I;m afraid.With the cost of a quality bolt gun these days, a great Lever is looking much improved, they only need a few more calibers, such as a 270 and 30-06. I do beleve I can work my 336 faster than I can my 700 CDL.Plus the 336 and Winc lever the best woods guns ever built, plus less to replace/repair and also work well in poor weather conditions. A 336 with a 24' bbl in 06, I;m in the market, if the quality comes with it. Hey, I wanted a new gun for the Rockies this fall, the lever 06 would be that excuse to buy a new gun,.I understand it's a done deal already and the Taurus is close on it's heels.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Remlin?Marlington?I thought we had already hashed this over elsewhere!?How about H Mar & Rem R?Bubba

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from Scott wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I would love to place a positive spin on these mergers. But, as you say, it is not an easy row to hoe. I own some of each of the firms firearms. When you get down to it, and this will light some fires, an AR is an AR. Unless you tweak it with aftermarket parts, they are at their base level equal (although I favor the Bushmaster). To combine Bushmaster and DPMS seems an effort to get more DOD business as they are deeply rooted there. Remington and Marlin are huge names with great historical significance. Who knows... we might have the best of all worlds after the dust settles. But private equity investment can turn as fickle as that date we all had in high school...

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from Larry Chesney wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I hope the merger doesn't eleminate the H&R 1871 line, of break open single shots. They are the best thing going for us purests that like to take game with one shot.And they are inexpensive to boot.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

ScottDifficult yes, but possible. This task is one of the great challenges to American managers today; successfully blending two or more formerly competing companies into one whole which is better than the sum of the parts. It has been done, albeit rarely; Novartis in the pharmaceutical industry, Kraft in foods, Chrysler in automotive (some would say debatable here) to name a few. It isn't an easy row to hoe. Hopefully Remington improves their own quality and takes the necessary steps to up the quality of the newly aquired brands as well.SA

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from Scott wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Addendum: They seem to be very eager to spend money right now. This needs to be watched very closely. Their management philosophy should be scrutinized as well as their overall agenda.

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from Scott wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

The larger picture can be seen, (oh my gosh, I can not believe I'm actually referencing Wikipedia) here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_ManagementThey are also about to acquire DPMS per their announcement in December 07. Leviathan seems an appropriate moniker. My grandmother used to make a supper for us when we were small that used all the spare ingredients she could find in the refrigerator. She called it pot-full-of-good. Somehow distilling the aforementioned companies into something "good" will be difficult at best.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Cutter:I read it. If that's not a good enough reason to vote GOP in November, nothing is.YooperJack

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

That D.C. Brief to the SC is poorly written IMHO, and all it's doing is reaffirming the same argument that got their position handed to them in their hands prior.I get the feeling whomever in the the D.C. AG Office that presents this position is a politico not a litigator and will be going down in flames. I smell burning flesh already.

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from Cutter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Yooper Jack:Scroll past all the references and history of D.C. gun laws. The real arguments are near the end. Let's pray the appeals court ruling is upheld. Remington-Marlin mergers won't be enough if it's not....

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from Pappa Bear wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

"The only constant is change." - Heraclitus.I doubt that it will be good for Marlin, although almost certainly not immediately fatal.Just sitting here in the cold January gloaming contemplating the parallels between the fortunes of American firearms makers and American wars and expansion.We all pretty much know that the War of the Rebellion made the gun business boom from Fred-and-Ed forge shops to massive factories, an expansion that contracted only slightly during the subsequent western pacification and domestication. Then came in fairly quick order the Spanish-American Invention, the First World Unpleasantry, various colonial disturbances and The Real War, followed by the Frigidaire War, the Korean Police Action and the Southeast Asian War Games, by which time the manufactory of firearms had changed significantly in materials, functions and organization.Which all is to say that, when American arms companies competed for government contracts for rifles, shotguns and handguns, and Americans armed themselves with weapons similar enough to those contract guns so that production lines were little altered, AND when craftsmen were paid a pittance to work 10 hours a day, 6 days a week, the biggies (Winchester, Remington, Colt) fared exceeding well.Then, boys quit carrying their guns to school to pot-shoot rabbits and squirrels on the way home; hunting in general fell from grace while the remaining market was largely satisfied with good used shotguns and rifles, the military changed its design types and contracting methods, and workers had the temerity to demand their worth. The result? Winchester died of obesity while some good little guys starved to death.Marlin's been a good guy. It now most likely becomes the Lever Division of Remington, a wholly owned subsidiary of Leviathan.There's probably more to it than that, but my coffee's cold.

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from mr.b wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Seems like the buy-out will create another market. Just like Winchesters' pre/post '64 model 70. In the last year I have purchased a few older Marlins with the "ballard" rifling. I won't trade them for anything. It also won't be the first time Marlin changed hands. I hope this means the continuation of a fine firearms brand.

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from Tom Fowler wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Thanks, Peter...I feel the same overuse of the tooling factor was true in the case of the Taurus recreation of the Winchester .22 pump...new, it wouldn't hit into more than a pie plate, rested, at fifty yards.Quality should be a first concern, not marketing.Tom Fowler

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from Peter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I hope Remington gets their act together and does not sink two ships in one. After a factory tour visit to Iion I became troubled by obvious "issues". Their own employees will openly vent about the lack of quality controls in the main production lines. Too many come-backs and poor follow up where the source of the problem lies. Much like others who have replied here, I try very hard to buy products truly made in the US. Competition is stiff and to survive the management of any firearm manufacturing company must do their job so that the workers can do theirs. I have 4 Remington bolt rifles and they are some of my most favorite rifles, especially my 722's. My old 336SC is another favorite. I think most sportsmen, like myself, want a rifle that is of good quality that shoots accurately. You can't have this when the bean counters want the line workers to use a rifling button until it won't make any lands and grooves just so that they can get the last $1.50 out of it! Pennywise and pound foolish. I think this may be a source of why we all see such a variety of accuracy reports out of the same model rifle. It depends on how many hundreds or thousands of times the tooling was used. If the tooling was new you get a good one, if it was old and warn you get a bummer. When you have some good parts and some loose parts, you have a mess. Frustrated employees and potentially unsatisfied consumers are a bad combination for any corporation. Lets hope things improve. Peter.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Cutter:How in the heck did you find anything in there? If you were to print that out, you would have a world book encyclopedia.YooperJack

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from Cutter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Off subject, but more worrisome, check out this link to the D.C. brief on the 2nd amendment case before the US Supreme court:http://www.nbc4.com/download/2008/0104/14980193.pdfAs expected, the argument completely overlooks the total ineffectiveness of the handgun banon the ability of criminals to obtain and use guns.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

DaveThis has been hashed over on the Field Notes blog.I consider it generally a good thing. Marlin might not have been able to sustain itself and either gone under or fallen to a foreign firm (Yes, I know Cerberus is a Multinational conglomerate but they are headquartered here.) such as Hyundai, Mizuono etc.Remington's marketing muscle and purchasing power could boost those Marlin brands a lot.Consolidations and aquisitions are an everyday part of life in business; Smith & Wesson recently bought Thompson Center Arms and so far things are looking good there, I have heard that S&W has its eyes out for other aquisitions as well and, as I said on the other blog, I think Savage is a possible target there.Cheer up, we still have hare and some other late season hunting, spring turkey will be here before you know it and that is a good thing.SA

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

So which firearms companies are truly American? I believe Ruger, Henry, maybe what's left of Colt, S&W?, Kimber, Springfield Armory (at least in part), Savage, Cricket?, Weatherby, Marlin, Remington?, Mossberg, T/C?, DPMS Panther, Bushmaster, and of course some of the smaller but high quality makers such as Les Baer, Ed Brown, etc. Anyone know for sure if the above list is even correct and can anyone think of others? I guess I am to tired tonight to check on my own (and have to take a bath since its Saturday night in cowboy country, somehow I suddenly feel unwashed but very privledged). I do know the total is decreasing as the years rip on by.

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from Gary wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Um, I don't think you can consider Remington an American company as it is owned by Cerberus Capital--an international holding company.I think they may be based in New York, but much of their portfolio is international.

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from jstreet wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I thought CZ owned Dan Wesson now.As far as Marlin goes, I hope they continue to make nice walnut stocked guns with good bluing.Jim

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Perhaps they may bring back the old Marlin Model 120. The model 870 mag I have, I wish I never bought it. Upon firing it ejects the case like an auto. This normal according to Remington

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from craig curtis wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

i for one am very pleased that rem. is going to be the proud new owner of the next best thing to winchester !i bought my son a lever gun (366) and his 22 is also a marlin . their great guns. and i didn't want to see another American gun manufacturer get lost in la la land or worse bought up by some god forsaken foreigner . regardless if you use or have any interest in marlin we must be concerned about all these company's going under , or needing help.i still mourn for my beloved dan wesson. but i can still get my parts and such from the new owners just cant remember who bought em !!!!!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Dave:Probably doesn't count for much. I'm unwashed and kinda like Dick Cheney. All in all, wasn't this a pretty good merger? Seems to me, Remington guns and Marlin guns were altogether different. One company made mostly levers, larger calibers, brush guns. Other company made bolt action rifles, all calibers. It seemed to me that the only place where they really went head to head was on the 22 calibers. I see quite a few Marlins up here but Remingtons aren't all that common. I might be biased though. Generally when I meet someone and their carrying a lever action, we compare his to my 94 Winchester. If I meet someone carrying a bolt action, the topic doesn't come up.YooperJack

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 7 weeks ago

Michigan Mike,Bought my last 700 (a classic in .350 rem mag) in '86. It has the same problem with ejection. If you cycle the bolt fast it extracts but does not eject causing a double feed. Go slow or tip the gun and it works fine. Problem was I had to keep my head and not forget to tip the gun while keeping my eye on the bear just shot.

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from Michigan Mike wrote 6 years 7 weeks ago

Remington has completely lost its way. This comes from a person who has owned Model 700's all his life and can tell you the quality has gone down hill and fast.If you have a problem don't look to the company for satifaction either. I bought four BDL's and one SPS over the last two years.They all had feeding and ejecting problems. I am no math genius but the odds of five Model 700's having the same problem is completely off the charts. Could not happen, would not happen. It would be like being struck by lighting in five different states at the same time while holding a winning Powerball ticket.I called the company and a manager named John Lotion basically told me it was all in my head. And get this, he told me that if the BDL (300 RUM) in question didn't eject the shells properly I should tip the gun to get them out. Look, I am not some navy seal or police tactical expert, but I am not an idiot either. I jogged a few times around the track.I will look elsewhere and spend more money (Steyr Prohunter maybe) but I will not have to deal with what I like to call the "Remington headache" anymore.They fought me on the first two repairs so when the problem arose again in the last three I just took them back for a refund. My Remington days are over I am sorry to say.

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from B. Schumacher wrote 6 years 11 weeks ago

Remington Rifles, I purchased a new Remington 770 Bolt action in 300win. mag.in Dec. of 2007. When I was getting it ready to shoot I noticed it had not been Rifled.None at all,"smooth bore".This is in response to an above comment on a tour of the lion plant in N.Y. and the bad Quality Control reported by the employees there.How could a rifle go thru the entire manufacturing process with no one seeing that the rifling was missing. I think Remington has some major problems.

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from B. Schumacher wrote 6 years 11 weeks ago

Remington Rifles, I purchased a new Remington 770 Bolt action in 300win. mag.in Dec. of 2007. When I was getting it ready to shoot I noticed it had not been Rifled.None at all,"smooth bore".This is in response to an above comment on a tour of the lion plant in N.Y. and the bad Quality Control reported by the employees there.How could a rifle go thru the entire manufacturing process with no one seeing that the rifling was missing. I think Remington has some major problems.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

If Remington don;t wake up and learn a tad about us old hunters they are hopeless. I do believe they want to get out of thje gun business all total.As they stopped selling handguns period a few years back. Now that they removed guns from l000 stores, that should tell us something. Maybe the seasoned hunters finally woke up and found out the guns Wal-mart sells is not teh same quality the average FFL dealer sells. At least in my area that is the way it is. This new Mossberg in Walnut is a gem. Looks much better than most higher $ guns and by far better than that ADL at Wal-marts.I also believe Savage hs improve its line of guns, their old faithful model ll0 is hard to beat and the Stevens 200 is just a ll0 with a gray stock. The Savages I;ve owned and shot, shoot well.Most will shoot l" at l00 yds and one I had did well at 2" at 200 yds.I seriously am thinking of a Weather Warrior for out west hunting in terrible weather. Mount a great scope with steel mounts, and should be ok. Shoot-um-straight and often. PS; Can buy 2 Savages for l Remington at current prices

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from Richard wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

Maybe they'll bring back that crazy mutt-thing they called the Garden Gun. Not likely, but it would still be kinda cool.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

I think we all should contact and voice our objection to a use to be quality AdL.Now they only making cheapo version just for Wal-mart.It'time for us Sports-people grip/bitch are whatever to both REM Wal-marar;; All Wal mart wants is the sale. Buy a firearm from a old established dealer, allow him to make enough topay his bills, and a meal now and then. Wal-Mart has done this same threat to many other Businesses and it's gone down hill. The new owners of Remingto, could care less for quality, just the cash-rsgister. I for me have already voice my objections to Rem., Now I will concenrate on Savage, as a quality gun, US made and shoots great. About time Rem was made aware of how we feel. I;ve used Remingon Products for 40 odd years, but that has/will change. Nope the junkie ADL that is in Wal-marts(the remainder of the l000 stores who stopped selling firearms) is not the gun of 3-4 yrs ago. Let Rem know how you feel. On puter will only take you 5 minutes to sound off. Strength is in numbers, and if enough ofcomplain I feel some changes will occur. This Model 715 and 770 looks like made of beer cans,and been told shoots same way. My next large game rifle,buying soon, will save a Savage Weather Warrior, I just bought a Italy made Uberti 44-40 distribued by Benelli.Theold Savage model710 been around many years and wil continue to do so. I do like teh slifing 3 position that many firearms don;t have.I prefer the Firing pin/sear and trigger to be locked in ntil ready to fire. Too bad Remigton decided to cheapen its products after so many pers in production. So guys, rather than buy one Remigton 700 large caliber,can now buy one large Caliber Savage and one small preditor gun for the amount of $ spent on just one gun by REm. I suggest we buy some Savage stock, as Remington going south for sure,.Poor old MArlins days are numbered as ws UAA long guns afer Rem bought them out. Rem also trying to get into handgun business, as they lerened that the-Law-enforcement industry, buys more handguns than all us huntes combined.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

Rocky Mt Hunter, you are" right on" with the Rem.700adl's at Wal-Mart. I had to look twice to see if it really was a Rem. Nothing like my ADL from "85...

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

WA Mtn Hunter: good luck in Colorado. My first 6 x 6 Elk came from south of Steamboat springs back a few years ago on the 20 mile Coal minning property. My Son got a nice Mulie near Maybell and on Black Mtn. I love Colorado, but at the Moment I don;t have a contact for Bulls/Bucks. I and Disabled/Handicapped and limited to walking.Mostly I stand hunt or ride a 4 wheeler . In Mt. Got a contact who takes me out on private property as well as the Bitteroots and lots of Elk and Mulies, providing the weather runs them down lower. PAst 4 years been successful in Montana, so if draw will go again. At my age of 72, few long distance hunts left in this worn out body, so gonna go as long as possible. I got spoiled to the ELk Bugle my first trip out, and it ruined me forsure. Where in Colorado do you hunt? I;ve huned all over that state and love the country plus the beautiful scenery. No more beautiful than the area about l mile east of Steamboat on Highway 40, looking down over the lower elevations. I went one year about mid-Oct, and the leaves were just beautiful.We stopped on a pull out and made a roll of 35 mm film. We have also stayed in Craig and hunted West and north towards the WY border, but access is hard to come by. I hunt with a handucaped group in CO. and if the guy can get permission for a Hunt to kill a Bull on private property I may go there also. Really don;t matter to me, where out west I go, the scenery is outstading plus if kill game thats a bonus for me. If you go to Craig, by all means go to the Cowboy Museume and plan on spending a lot of time. More guns and western stuff than all of Co. combined, think its free, maybe a donation forgot. We usually fly into Denver, rent a car drive out on 70 to Dillon, then north on 13 to Kremlin take 40 west to Steamboat and Craig. A beautiful drive. If you go that direction, be pepared for Rabbit ears pass. I was stuck in Steamboat once for 4 days,as snow awas 5 ft deep and roads closed plus Denver Aiprot closed as well. But I did not care,as had my Elk at processors and just took life easy for the 4 days.My only regret is I did not go to the Rockies about 40 yrs ago and buy a Ranch. O what a retirement place to be. I've blabbed enough tonight, so will get to other stuff. Good luck. O, I just picked up my new magazine and they got all the center fire Savages there.Looks as if can get what I want for less than 500.00 bucks, Syn/SS, then will at the set up and Nikon Monarch 3 x 9 x 40.I told Remington, that there were other firearms on the market and if they depend on Wal-mart for all their sales, better they get out of the gun business all total.They also trying to buy TAurus. Stats says that the Law enforcement dept. buys more handguns than all the other buyers combined, This new owner wants the mega $$$$$. They told the mangement of Rem which did 500 million in 2006, that they wanted a billion in sales in 2009.....That should tell us a lot.AS I told Rem. there were other fish in the pond, just as good as the Bass. If enough of us hunters grip to Remington, maybe can change , but doubt it after they sold out to the investment Co who bought the largest Power installition Co.( Pike Elec.) in the South in my back door. My daugher in law been there for 24 yrs, and never knows from day to day what is to take place.Ok, gone, take care. Will chat again, hopefully. Hey, one last item., you mentioned your Son.My Son who is 54, he and I been hunting for 42 yrs and this past fall was the first time we both killed a Deer in same day. He killed his buck and came to get the truck, while he was gone I killed a buck. So was a proud moment for both.We have 5 week season here, and we hunt about every day or some part of it. usally about 2 hrs early and 2 hrs late, no Sunday hunting allowed in N>C>.I;m doing a Europen mount on both. Learned how to do that in MT. Saves a lot of $$$ as a mount here runs about 400 for deer and 700 for Elk. Ok, gone.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

RMHGood luck in the MT draw. I guess we are on for a 9-day hunt in Colorado for the 2nd Rifle Season. Talked to our landowner tonight and we are good to go! Colorado tags are due the first week in April, but the unit we hunt in has over the counter bull tags and always has leftover either-sex tags for private land only hunts. We usually put in for the deer tags in the early draw just to be sure on them.I would not be afraid of the Savage 110 series rifles. My son has an older 110 with synthetic stock in 7mm Rem Mag and it is a 1 MOA shooter with most loads. I handload 160 gr Speer Mag Tips to duplicate the 160 gr Federal Trophy Bonded loads. The son mixed up his loads and killed a 6x6 bull with the handloads last year. They did the job. I have shot some groups smaller than 1 inch with that rifle, although he has trouble shooting tight groups due to his glasses I think. He can always put 10 rounds inside a 3 inch circle. I think that is good enough for "minute of elk".Later. Got to snooze. Big goose hunt tomorrow a.m.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

WA Mtn Hunter: Thanks for the reply. I got my Montana application in the mail today. So soon as I find 647.00 for Combo Elk/Deer licenses will return by 3-15-08. Talked with my guide in Missoula, MT last night, all is a go again for a 2 week hunt, providing I do draw. Been told my a girl who works at the Game Dept. that a Non-Res always has a 99% chance to draw if applies for the Combo, as MT does like that 647.00 also. Out of the past 7 years,only the first year did I not draw, but no guarantees will again. All depends on the weather and the # of estimated animals available. Where I hunt they got about 10 ft of snow now. Bad for game, but thats their water supply. Elk and Mulies are in the Bottoms now eating along the creek bottoms and farmers hay stacks.HAve been hearing and observing the Remington stories lately, of Quality, buy-outs, etc. So I wrote Remington about the ADL. Got a letter today, yes REMINGTON is still making the ADL in Black Syn and a few Camo;s for WAL_MART ONLY. I saw one of the black jobs last week and it looks like was made from a beer can in China. The quality has gone. If Remington is gonna play this game of Wal-mart only for sales, we as hunters best be shopping saround for another brand sold by our local gun shop. Try getting a Scope Mounted at Wal-mart, Heck, the guy/girl don;t even know which end the bullet comes out of. I;m gonna look serious at the Savage line again, as I want a 270 with Syn stock.Have you seen the Rem. Model 710, now gone and the replacement in model 715 and 770? Check them out, give me you opinion. O ,I love a plastic trigger guard they got on them. My CDL is not the quality of my older 700's BDL by far, much cheaper built. If the Wheatherby Vanguard bbl did not say Made in Japan, I'd buy one in a jif. Ok, enough gripping, chat again later. Shoot-um-straigh and often.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

RMHI hear you. Good mounts and a good scope don't usually require re-zero every year. Just a little practice to tighten the nut behind the trigger.I just replaced the beautiful walnut stock on my Weatherby Mk V Sporter with an Ultra Light Wby stock. I hope it shoots as well. The wood was beginning to get beat up a little.I hope we are all able to hunt the mountains again this year. I can already hear the Colorado mountains calling my name. I wish you a prosperous and healthy New Year and lots of luck drawing that Montana license.Best regards, Sir.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Other than no floor plate orDet.magazine I too like the ADL as well as a BDL.But for some strange reason, I like most guns. Too bad the wallet don;t agree. I;ve hunted for 50 + years and most of that waswith a Remington.A Remington just FEELS right for me. Most other brands fel like a 2x 4 being held outward. I like the looks, the feel and now this new CDL I bought 3 sesons ago, shoots better than any rifle I ever put to my shoulder, other than the 35 yr odl 26-06 Classic by Rem. Both shoot within 2" or lessccat 200 yds . Thats about as steady as I can hold any gun.All this talk of 2" high at 100 yds will put you on 0at 200yds.Not so, some will shoot all the target pst l00 yds.When I buy a new gun,I attach a Mid-range price scope (500 bucks),use Leupold bases and rings in dual dove tail. I instal this set up 3 yrs ago on this CDL and the 0 has not change done bit after 3 trips to the Rockies and 5 weeks here. I do pratice a lot prior to my trips west,but never havehad to re-zero this gun. I can;t say that for some others I have. If you get a quality scope, rings,bass and not these chepo package deals which has a 29.95 scope and cheap Alloy base/rings. I at one time used Simmons scopes, but evry season, had to re zero. thas when I began reading and came up with this matchuo I now have. I have the exact setup on another 700,the 700 25-06, 2 742's and couple sporterized Mausers.All but the 25-06 are 30-06's That is enough gun for me and ammo available anywhere. I bught a new Wincheser 70 in 300 WSM, shot it a dozen tims, sold as fast asa buyer came along.It just did not shoot accurate and the rcoil was terrible. All my hunting guns for big game weigh near l0 lbs, with the added wt at the but end. I find that with a heavier Butt against my shoulder I can hold the gun more steady. All this Markley about light wt guns, can;t prove to me as accurate as a l0 pounder. Atteh bench does not matte, but in the field, sthat solid feeling against your houlder just gives me more confidence . Damn near killed me to boe the hole in that beautifulWalnut and add lead shot to get the wt at l0 lbs complete with scope/mts,Anyway, to sum it up this CDL shoots like a dream,and I would not even consider selling as long as I hunt.If health permits a disabled/handicapped guy of 72+ go this fall, will be hunting Elk/Deer/Lopes in Montana come Oct.And can bet the CDL and 25-06 will go along as well as my side arm in 44-40I just bought. Have you seen Remington's model 715? I wantca wheeler in 270/black syn to haul around. Hate to beat/bang up this beautiful walnut. Gave a great day and shoot-um-straight.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I find it funny that all of you shooters that hunt and don’t shoot farther than they can throw a rock are whining about not shooting sub MOA and what’s next, complaining of not shooting SOA! (Seconds of Angle) Get real folks! That piece of junk 300 Win Mag Ruger M-77 that I sold for $150.00 (replaced with a 25-06) wouldn’t shoot less than a 1 ½ inch group but it didn’t stop me from making 400-600 yard shots. Let’s see here, 1 ½” at 100 equals 3.0” at 200 that would be 6 inch group at 400 yards. That’s still in the kill zone! I wish I had a dollar for out shooting those 300 Win Mags topped with some extraterrestrial telescope on the 1000 yard line with my M1A with open sights and Ol’Sarg can relate to that I know!There are those that want more out of a hunting rifle than a target rifle! Remember those old farts that if they hit a pie plate at 50 yards? They are the one that bag out within the first but crack of dawn on opening day and getting that monster buck you’ve always dreamed of and you go home empty handed!!!Perhaps if you shooters instead of blaming your rifle and start honing your shooting and hunting skills instead, you might be a Happy Camper!Shooters stop your whining and go shoot some YODLE DOGS!

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from sarg wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Dave,...CIVILITY... realy?

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Rockymtnhunter, yes it was Walmart in Eastern Ky. (As far East as you can go before entering WV.) I did not like the gun, didn't see any BDL's. I'm always fool around a small store here local where a lot of guys are trading guns and saw a 700 in 30-06 with black sin. stock. It was used but looked good but i'm looking for a ADL in wood like my older .308. I like Rem. Have a new H/R .204 and a new Marlin in .17HMR. Rem.'s parent co which is an inveatment co. will own both. This co. proble just looking for an inv. not interested in the product as such. FREE ENTERPRISE...

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from sarg wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Dave, when they ask you for your guns, there is one word that makes a complete sentence, Do you know what that word is? It is simply "NO"

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Sarg: I;ve checked 5 different Wal-marts and they all had Rem ADL's. Check www.Remington Arms.com and they list a ADL but no further information is stated or shown. If I were buying a Rem.in Am would be the BDL. I don;t believe they had screwed it up just yet.. I found a ADL at Wal-marts, l00 miles away but not teh Caliber I wanted for 300.00, then another store, same gun for 325.00, both werre 06's I wanted a 270 in Syn /matt. as a haul about gun. Got many BDL's and a CDL but all walnut, need a beat around job. At this point, a Savage/Stevens appears to be in the running, for Quality and Price. They been making good out of the box guns for many years the faithful old ll0 now traded by Stevens is a great firearm and will shot better than 99% of us hunters.Add a quality scope and mounts, and you got as good as most of us need. Shoot-um-straight and often.Hey, tell me a little about a 44-40 for a side arm.A 44 mag is to much for me, plus I'd like a caliber that every Tom Dick and Harry did not have. Looking at a A.Uberti Cattleman, Case harden,blue, Walnut in 5 l/2"bbl.Yep, I know Ammo not in all the stores, but I will have enough not to run out.As the Colt copies go the A Uberti kinda stands outfor the wtand feel to my small hands. I Plan another Rocky Mtn hunt for Elk/Deer in Oct. and some bears still feeding,plus I just like to shoot a western style handgun. Suppose that's the Cowboy left in me that I always wanted to be when was growing up. To bad we don;t follow our dreams, but life sometimes is cruel. My first hunt to the Rocky Mtns, I hd a opportunity to buy 50 acres of land and a new Cabin 16'x 20' with a loft and front porch on a small stream.No power, but a Compose john and a Generator, a Rifle, Axe, Lantern and only 100 yds off state road for $49.995, payable at 99.99 per month. How Stupid I was to let it slide. O to be able to re-live/think/do passed by opportunities. That's History now, to old to need it, other than for my Grandkids. TAke care, enjoy our chats here. Learn a lot, some bull, but thats life.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Mike, I agree with you, I 've got Oldsmouiles but I bought a new Toyota Camray made here at localy at Georgetown, Ky . I'm a fond believer that if any other vehicle will hold up to it, I don,t know of any. I bought a new ford truck in 1978, when working on it, i found out it was made in Canada, Still a good truck.All my guns are American made, Can't afford a good Browning.I had a gut jump on me one day for buying antoyota and he goes out and ride of on a foreign Motorcycle. By the way , the motor and tran. in my camary was made here in neighboring W.Virginia. as i've said earlier in this blog, I went looking for another Rem. 700, Wouldn't want what i saw. By the way, they did have a new Rem. 700 ADL in .270 , Must have been a left over...

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

As I stated earlier, Remimgton has already begun to make cheaper fiearms. You recall that the BDls of past, the very black end of the foearm was of a material bedded into the stock, and was black. I bought a new CDl when they came out 3 yrs ago and the add said, black forend and grp cap.Well they are black in color, but only color, they are painted black. I scratchedmy CDla tad and was giving it te once over while cleaning and learned the end cap ws oly pained on. Now to keep the end looing black, I taped it out and bought a can of black spray paint/Now after each hunting season and guns are cleaned and stored till next season, I go thru this process again. It looks good until I start using, then the paint comes off./I got 4 other BDLs in different calibers, some are over 40s old, and Damn, they look better than this 3 yr old CDL. So don;t think a Merger, NO a Buy OUT of MArlin will start the Quality control to go south, it has already begun with Remington'ds current Models. If you doubt my word, go look at a Now gone Model 710 and its replacements which are the 715 and 770. Then you can see what to expect after Remington takes over. I hate to see this happen, as I;ve used Remimgto firearms since l952 when i bpught my first Sportsman 48 12 ga Remington and have owed many since. I do want a all weather firearm, as ugly as they look (Black Syn Stocks Matt Bbls), but at my age, I'm, not as careful as i was 40 yrs ago/But at 72+ I got all the guns I will ever need. If you interestd in a Remington, buy the present BDL, I think the quality may yet be there. If you ever wanted a Lever action firearm, go get a Marlin 336 ASAP, with the new soft tip Ammo its a dreamhunting gun for 200 yds and less, but it shines as a woods gun and in foul weather.Forget the scope. Learn how to judge the depth of you bead in the V and you can put the animal down. Going shopping in AM for a Marlin 35.

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from Chad Love wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

At the risk of losing my creds with the Gun Nut crowd, I do not believe, with the exception of a pawn shop Model 60 that distinguished itself primarily with the cheesy squirrel motif of its birch woodwork, that I have ever owned a Marlin firearm.Now Remington? At one time I bled green. I must have been the only suburban kid in Norman, Oklahoma that pasted those cool old Remington ads on my bedroom wall.So I can't comment on what the merger may do to Marlin's QC.As for Remington, well, let's just say I check the serial numbers on any Remingtons I may be interested in purchasing, and if the gun wasn't made roughly prior to the year in which I was striking out at my senior prom, I really have to think about it...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

The best grouse gun in Alaska is a 22 handgun! Shootem in the head!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Mike DiehlYou have a pointWith today’s manufacturers three things are happening. First there sovereign and strong! Second, they are being bought out mainly by overseas investors. Take toll road 80 running thru Illinois. It is now under the control of a foreign company now. Third, the employees went Union and/or demanded more pay and benefits like GM where 60 percent of their profits go to taking care of those from cradle to grave. Not only that, employees must show up for work knowing there is no work for them to get a full payday. I remember when Colt Machinists went on strike during the Clinton administration. HA! HA! HA! You bums are now out of work and you deserve it because of it!!!!!! Stupid people, here’s your sign!Springfield Armory says there made in America! Then why does my 45XD says made in Croatia? If I knew this before buying it sight unseen, I would have purchased another Ruger P90 or something!!!I hope a pray that Remington/Marlin doesn’t follow suite?AMERICA UNDER SIEGE!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

"Buy American, or Kiss my A$$!"Neither, thanks. Your A$$ has a lot in common with American built cars -- neither should be seen on the streets.If you want to improve quality in *any* manufactured good, buy the best merchandise you can once you've determined what you are willing to spend. I got a Ford truck, a Toyota car, a bunch of American made firearms, one Brazilian, and one Austrian. I got no complaints about any of 'em because I made the best consumer choice.Any American company that makes a product that is more expensive than and inferior to a foreign-made product needs to get their act together or else deserves to go belly-up.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

DaveSimply put this is one of the best blogs going. As others have said above, sports blogs and news blogs are pretty awful then there are the teen blogs dedicated to overpaid, overrated psuedo-entertainers. What the hell are we paying bazzions of dollars to educate these kids for. They write in acronyms and make zero sense.Ralph the RiflemanThroughout much of the last century Winchester produced firearms which were out of the reach of Joe Sixpack anyway. When it came out the Model 70 was about half again the cost of its competitors, the M 52 was at least twice as pricey (yes Winchester did turn out single shot camp rifles for the Y and Scout camp market - but they were not top quality either) as any other .22 bolt action. The Model 94 (I own and love one) was never the equal in quality or accuracy of the Marlin and was far less costly to make which is why Winchester could sell it for less. I could go on about their shotguns but won't.AllWe can lament the death of American quality, OR, we can do something about it. How about we in our own work produce the best product or give the best service we possibly can. How about we encourage our peers to do likewise. How about we seek out American products ALWAYS, and if the quality is not up to snuff we let the manufacturer know it but if the quality is there then pay the extra for that American made item. As one person there is little I can do, but as one plus one plus one... (like the tv ad goes) we can make a difference!And, to add a little incivility for Dave, if you are driving a VW, Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, Nissan, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Mitsubishi, Volvo, SAAB, Subaru or any other foreign POS, YOU, Yes YOU, are part of the F*&^ing Problem! Buy American, or Kiss my A$$!SA

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

28-ga, granted, isn’t the cheapest gauge to feed factory hunting and targets loads. I still love to hunt grouse and pheasants with my old 1100 although I heard some of the old boys’ claim 28 and 410 are only good for bumblebees and meadowlarks.BTW I was encouraged to shoot in my local winter league and am shooting clay targets for the first time in six-years. It gave me pause to learn shot is pushing $40/bag and primers are $28/1000. The only thing not doubled in price in my absence is powder and targets.

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from Tommy S. wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Dave,Now that the jokes are out of the way...I own both Rems and a Marlin.The .22 semi auto I have been shooting for over a decade with no problems until over the x-mas vacation.The bolt will not close! You know how the bolt pops open on that rifle when the ammo is out? There is a lever by the trigger gaurd that you push and the bolt closes.I removed the trigger housing, the barrel from the stock, cleaned and re-oiled. The springs look to be in place and all looked ok, but it still will not close. No round in the action either.WTF?

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from Tommy S. wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I thought I was pretty smart to know why defenses put 8 in the box!Shxt!

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from Tommy S. wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I guess I won't ask if you saw any of the playoff games this weekend Dave.Goodness.So if you like to watch a ball-game you are a member of a herd of ignorant swine.Oh - watch the run-on sentences.Ha ha.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I finally figured it out... Remington wanted to be affiliated with a .22 semi-automatic that actually was semi-automatic.Clay we have an elephant in Nashville at the zoo. I shot one of those Rem 6.8 SPC's this weekend. Brother-in-law has one now in the T/C G2 or whatever it is. I still call them all Contenders. Unfortunately he didn't see any deer while he was here because we both really wanted to see what that thing could do. He says those good old Appalachian boys in east Tennessee are all sold on the Olympic Arms black rifle. Claims they're cheaper and better than Bushmaster or DPMS plus I can get one in 6.8 SPC now... This guy goes through more guns than anyone I've ever met and he's of the opinion that the cheaper guns like Savage are actually now better than the more expensive ones. He sent two rifles back to Browning this year. Oh and the Wal-Mart by him is selling Vanguards for $369.Come on Dave, give him a 28 gauge so we can all stand by and watch him go broke trying to feed it. How's that for civility?

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from Dave Petzal wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

To Mark-1: All you get is my official recognition as a person of taste and culture. If there were a small-frame 28-gauge around, I would snag it, although I can't imagine what one would use such a thing for.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Well, people used to hunt elephants in North America with spears, so I don't think your .30-30 will be outdated just because of an inopportune ice age or anything.I like Weatherby's entry-level Athena side-by-side shotgun, and Savage's 114 Classic rifles. I also like Ruger's entire handgun line, their Model 1, the Gold Label, and their Model 77 RSI.The only thing Remington offers for which I have any regard is the 870 Wingmaster.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

The merger of Remington and Marlin, I’ve come up with this conclusion. First, I believe the merger is a terrific idea. Both Remington and Marlin has always targeted the average shooter needs. A quality firearm, at a price that one can afford. The problem I see with any merger is any problem that both companies must be fixed or eliminated. Normally it’s the personnel that brought down the company to begin with. Fire the bums because they must go because in time like a virus or cancer they too will bring down the newly formed company like previously!The bottom line is this. It’s a marriage made in heaven! However like any marriage, the couple must keep focus on the strengths to which made them so great! Now I hope that some Goober Smootcher (IDIOT!) doesn’t come along to screw it all up! I love both companies. I never owned a Savage, but Savage is finally gotten off the tree stump and start working to catch the eye and interest like myself. Thompson Contender???? They think there trying, but only by reinventing the wheel and falling short by their new Icon rifle not chambering calibers that I would like. Weatherby???? Their rifles, standing with cash in hand, I decided to buy another brand. Weatherby ammo, they sure are damn proud of and not worth paying 4 times the amount for additional 150 fps. I haven’t seen anything that has been shot, that a good shot placement of a 30-30 would do! Has anyone spotted any elephants in North America yet?

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I have been singularly unimpressed by Remington in the last six years. Their "Spartan" line of overseas-built junk, the crude finish of the 870 Express, and the relatively low performance-fit-finish vs. cost ratio of their rifle lines has knocked them off my list of firearms manufacturers from whom I'd consider buying a firearm.I think this fortends a downturn in the quality of Marlin branded products.Ruger, Savage, and Weatherby are "where it's at" IMO.

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

In for lunch and from cleaning up my poor beasts of burden [horses] and playing that Irish Banjo."Molon labe" [pronounced: mo-lon La-ve] is “Come and Take Them”, but it means “No Surrender”. Military History, Folks!Is what the Spartan King…Leno---whatever…..replied to the Persian King’s offer at the Battle of Thermopiley [sp] to surrender with their lives if the Spartans laid down their arms.Sorta inspiration, huh.Hey, Dave. Do I get a delicate 28-ga small frame o/u for this?forgive the spelling

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from Dave Petzal wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

To YooperJack: Believe me, you guys are appreciated. If I need to be reminded of the lack of education of the average American, I just listen to our local radio or television news. You can't go 5 minutes without hearing the kind of grammatical mistake that we would have been called down for in the 4th grade.As for sports, and sports fans, words fail me. What puzzles me here, though, is that there have been some marvelous sports writers over the years; men who were funny and literate and insightful--all writing for a herd of ignorant swine.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Mark-1:Is that a rough translation? Both sentences have a similar intent.Ralph:I think we are watching an evolution in the gun industry. Winchester was gone, but now its comming back. Ruger and Savage are expanding with upgrades. Remington and H-R have been taken over by Cerrebus. If that private capital company tries too hard (cuts quality)to cut costs and improve profits, corporate "Good Will" will suffer. The brand will diminish. As such, the overall brand name will be worth less. This will, however, give an edge to the companies like Ruger and Savage to increase their sales. The key, for those companies, will be to develop models to compete with the big guys and also to remain profitable.Dave Petzal:Your problem is that you blog in an area where the average IQ of the reader/writer is considerably higher than blogs that address other fields. Some time when you are REALLY BORED, read some the blogs at the Wasjington Post Website. You'll be thankful you've got us. If you're still wondering, go to foxsports.com and read the football blogs. You will realize that most dollars spent on eduction are truly wasted.YooperJack

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from Dave Petzal wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

To Mark-1. Right you are. Can you give us the context?

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

No SurrenderCome and Take Them

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from Dave Petzal wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

To everyone: I have been growing increasingly distressed by the trend toward civility in this blog, and now we have Papa Bear quoting Heraclitus. What is the world coming to?In any event, here's a contest for you all: What does this short sentence (in ancient Greek) mean?"Molon labe."

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Most companies are "for profit", and let's face it quality guns are always based on cost. Many guns producted by Winchester compared to today's value, for example, would be too expensive for the average working man wages and lets face it that's where companies make there living;selling to the middle class.Bottom line, I don't think this will have a negative impact on the two companies, and I hope it will solidify their place in the gun market.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Bernie, I was at a large chain store looking at their New guns the other day,(SAT) and I would not trade my 1986 Rem 700 for all the Rem. 700 in stock., You would be wise to keep all your older gun, than buy modern production guns now.. I wander what this by-out by Rem is going to do to the other guns purchased?

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from sarg wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Dr Ralph, Have you picked up a Marlin 90 over/under shotgun. I saw one the other day, one of the slickest, easy pointing shotguns I ever picked up. Couldn't afford this one but I sure liked it.

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from Bernie Kuntz wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I have to admit that I do not know a lot about the quality of firearms built during the last decade because I haven't bought anything. Almost everything I own was made from the 1950s to the 1980s. It saddens me to hear stories from you guys writing in to the blog about malfunctioning new firearms, terrible triggers and wood, bad Weatherby rifles (I have two of them, circa late 1950s and 1965, and they are wonderful! But that says nothing about what is being built today.)I don't know what else to say. I fear that our country's pride in producing quality products has waned.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Quality control went out the window with the wash water.All this new Co.wants is to make more $$$, as all investment Co's want. Have you look closely at Remington;s new Model 710 ( not history), their 715 and 770. If this is a indication of what they will do to Marlin, better buy up your lever Marlin pronto.When Remington made the ADl,BDL little difference in the two, other than the hinged foorplate and that black forend. Price was muxch cheaper on the ADL. Now that the ADL is History, these new firearms ae a hunk of junk. But, suppose if you buy all the good companies out, then do away with quality, you got to make more money. I planned to buy a all weather firearm for the Rockies next year as a gun takes a beating out there, after this latest merger/buy-out, Savage is now in my scope of all weather firearms. Plus less $$$ up front. The old model ll0's hae proven ovefr the years to be a great firearm, it may not shoot MOA every shot, but how many of us can shot that well with any firearm. Savage has a Model 111FCXP3 with a 3-9-40 mounted scope, Detachable Magazine in calibers from 243 thru 300 Win mag for less than $375.00 retail. Plan to place my order in AM as no Remington now or later will equl the price or quality. At my age, don;t need any new firearms, but we all look for excuses for a new gun, or I do. Got enough real remingtons to last my lifetime, just want a knock about syn stock gun and Savage fills that slot with $$$ left for tags in teh Rockies. I hope I'm wrong, but if history repeats itself, Remington will soon be just another has-been, as I know the Co who's bought them and I know what they will do to Marlin, cut all teh cornes possible.Repeating myself from yesterday, but it gets my nerves on edge to see a fine Co be eaten up and its reputation shot out the window. Look at the fine firearm Co's that have gone in pst 50 years or less. Your better built firearms are now imports. LAw enforcement is the largest buyer of firearms in the world, now Remington wants to get into the handgun business as well. Better buy that AR-l5 soon unless you want a 2nd rate R-l5.As for H&R/NEF look at the price tag now, then look in a few years, will double.O well, there's always Rossi.As for a Remington hunting rifle, better get a CDL immediately. Hey, was at Wal-marts this week, they have some ADL's left at a good buy, quality I don;t know, kinda looks different than the ADL of 2-3 yrs ago.Rem may be building a ADL just for Wal-mart's, there goes your quality again.

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from sarg wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Dave, I guess that means that Rem. will also own H/R as Marlin owns them now...

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from sarg wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

jstreet, I had a little older Marlin 336 lever gun in .35 Rem. That gun had some of the prettiest wood I believe I ever saw. Wish a thousand time that I had not sold It...

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Remington just realized it's been coming out with side by side and over under shotguns for the last forty years that nobody buys so they jumped to aquire Marlin so they can sell those Elsie Smiths that nobody buys too! A shrewd manuever indeed.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

As a leading propagandist for the vast right wing conspiracy I just want everyone to realize that this is a plan for complete and total world domination... after buying up every gun company in the world they will shut them all down and the money AND guns will just plain disappear. Don't even bother looking... either that or Cerberus has taken lessons from Sam Walton on how to make money.On the brighter side the guy who runs this company claims to hunt and ride a Harley Davidson. He can't be all bad, he gave Dan Quayle a job.

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from Blue Ox wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I believe Peter's got it right. As long as the corporate bean counters are in control, they will be pushing quantity, not quality. Being a machinist myself, (for a global company, no less) all too often I find that I'm forced to use worn-out or broken tooling to create what's on the blueprint. Then there's management, bitching about quotas. And at the same time, I've got quality control breathing down my neck to make sure every piece is up to spec. It's a sad reality to have to deal with, and I'm sure it happens almost everywhere.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I'm not sure this merger is a good deal for Marlin. The investment Co. who bought Remington bought a power instalation Co here in N.C. a few years back,All this groupe of investors want is to make money. I also understand that Remington did 500 Million in business in 2007 and this new groupe wants that doubled to l billion within 2 years.They also looking to get into the handgun market with Taurus as their # l choice to date. Big is not always better. Remington is my gun of choice to hunt with, but that can change at a moments notice if I buy a lousy firearm. Big is not allways better. A old Southern saying is, you can get to big for your britches. Time will tell. So far the mergers Remington has taken, not doing all that well, look at EAA. I always buy USA when I can and products equal or better, but I just bought a handgun mfgered in Italy and it's a jewel, it's a copy (A.Uberti) of the Colt Peacemaker and it looks to be and shoots as accurate so far.Hang on to your present Marlin's as those guys who owned the pre 64 model 70's did. Got a feeing the pre 2008's of Marlin will be worth a lot, and we all know the quality will be there in those.The come-laters will be for the $$ I;m afraid.With the cost of a quality bolt gun these days, a great Lever is looking much improved, they only need a few more calibers, such as a 270 and 30-06. I do beleve I can work my 336 faster than I can my 700 CDL.Plus the 336 and Winc lever the best woods guns ever built, plus less to replace/repair and also work well in poor weather conditions. A 336 with a 24' bbl in 06, I;m in the market, if the quality comes with it. Hey, I wanted a new gun for the Rockies this fall, the lever 06 would be that excuse to buy a new gun,.I understand it's a done deal already and the Taurus is close on it's heels.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Remlin?Marlington?I thought we had already hashed this over elsewhere!?How about H Mar & Rem R?Bubba

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from Scott wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I would love to place a positive spin on these mergers. But, as you say, it is not an easy row to hoe. I own some of each of the firms firearms. When you get down to it, and this will light some fires, an AR is an AR. Unless you tweak it with aftermarket parts, they are at their base level equal (although I favor the Bushmaster). To combine Bushmaster and DPMS seems an effort to get more DOD business as they are deeply rooted there. Remington and Marlin are huge names with great historical significance. Who knows... we might have the best of all worlds after the dust settles. But private equity investment can turn as fickle as that date we all had in high school...

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from Larry Chesney wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I hope the merger doesn't eleminate the H&R 1871 line, of break open single shots. They are the best thing going for us purests that like to take game with one shot.And they are inexpensive to boot.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

ScottDifficult yes, but possible. This task is one of the great challenges to American managers today; successfully blending two or more formerly competing companies into one whole which is better than the sum of the parts. It has been done, albeit rarely; Novartis in the pharmaceutical industry, Kraft in foods, Chrysler in automotive (some would say debatable here) to name a few. It isn't an easy row to hoe. Hopefully Remington improves their own quality and takes the necessary steps to up the quality of the newly aquired brands as well.SA

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from Scott wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Addendum: They seem to be very eager to spend money right now. This needs to be watched very closely. Their management philosophy should be scrutinized as well as their overall agenda.

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from Scott wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

The larger picture can be seen, (oh my gosh, I can not believe I'm actually referencing Wikipedia) here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_ManagementThey are also about to acquire DPMS per their announcement in December 07. Leviathan seems an appropriate moniker. My grandmother used to make a supper for us when we were small that used all the spare ingredients she could find in the refrigerator. She called it pot-full-of-good. Somehow distilling the aforementioned companies into something "good" will be difficult at best.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Cutter:I read it. If that's not a good enough reason to vote GOP in November, nothing is.YooperJack

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

That D.C. Brief to the SC is poorly written IMHO, and all it's doing is reaffirming the same argument that got their position handed to them in their hands prior.I get the feeling whomever in the the D.C. AG Office that presents this position is a politico not a litigator and will be going down in flames. I smell burning flesh already.

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from Cutter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Yooper Jack:Scroll past all the references and history of D.C. gun laws. The real arguments are near the end. Let's pray the appeals court ruling is upheld. Remington-Marlin mergers won't be enough if it's not....

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from Pappa Bear wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

"The only constant is change." - Heraclitus.I doubt that it will be good for Marlin, although almost certainly not immediately fatal.Just sitting here in the cold January gloaming contemplating the parallels between the fortunes of American firearms makers and American wars and expansion.We all pretty much know that the War of the Rebellion made the gun business boom from Fred-and-Ed forge shops to massive factories, an expansion that contracted only slightly during the subsequent western pacification and domestication. Then came in fairly quick order the Spanish-American Invention, the First World Unpleasantry, various colonial disturbances and The Real War, followed by the Frigidaire War, the Korean Police Action and the Southeast Asian War Games, by which time the manufactory of firearms had changed significantly in materials, functions and organization.Which all is to say that, when American arms companies competed for government contracts for rifles, shotguns and handguns, and Americans armed themselves with weapons similar enough to those contract guns so that production lines were little altered, AND when craftsmen were paid a pittance to work 10 hours a day, 6 days a week, the biggies (Winchester, Remington, Colt) fared exceeding well.Then, boys quit carrying their guns to school to pot-shoot rabbits and squirrels on the way home; hunting in general fell from grace while the remaining market was largely satisfied with good used shotguns and rifles, the military changed its design types and contracting methods, and workers had the temerity to demand their worth. The result? Winchester died of obesity while some good little guys starved to death.Marlin's been a good guy. It now most likely becomes the Lever Division of Remington, a wholly owned subsidiary of Leviathan.There's probably more to it than that, but my coffee's cold.

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from mr.b wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Seems like the buy-out will create another market. Just like Winchesters' pre/post '64 model 70. In the last year I have purchased a few older Marlins with the "ballard" rifling. I won't trade them for anything. It also won't be the first time Marlin changed hands. I hope this means the continuation of a fine firearms brand.

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from Tom Fowler wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Thanks, Peter...I feel the same overuse of the tooling factor was true in the case of the Taurus recreation of the Winchester .22 pump...new, it wouldn't hit into more than a pie plate, rested, at fifty yards.Quality should be a first concern, not marketing.Tom Fowler

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from Peter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I hope Remington gets their act together and does not sink two ships in one. After a factory tour visit to Iion I became troubled by obvious "issues". Their own employees will openly vent about the lack of quality controls in the main production lines. Too many come-backs and poor follow up where the source of the problem lies. Much like others who have replied here, I try very hard to buy products truly made in the US. Competition is stiff and to survive the management of any firearm manufacturing company must do their job so that the workers can do theirs. I have 4 Remington bolt rifles and they are some of my most favorite rifles, especially my 722's. My old 336SC is another favorite. I think most sportsmen, like myself, want a rifle that is of good quality that shoots accurately. You can't have this when the bean counters want the line workers to use a rifling button until it won't make any lands and grooves just so that they can get the last $1.50 out of it! Pennywise and pound foolish. I think this may be a source of why we all see such a variety of accuracy reports out of the same model rifle. It depends on how many hundreds or thousands of times the tooling was used. If the tooling was new you get a good one, if it was old and warn you get a bummer. When you have some good parts and some loose parts, you have a mess. Frustrated employees and potentially unsatisfied consumers are a bad combination for any corporation. Lets hope things improve. Peter.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Cutter:How in the heck did you find anything in there? If you were to print that out, you would have a world book encyclopedia.YooperJack

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from Cutter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Off subject, but more worrisome, check out this link to the D.C. brief on the 2nd amendment case before the US Supreme court:http://www.nbc4.com/download/2008/0104/14980193.pdfAs expected, the argument completely overlooks the total ineffectiveness of the handgun banon the ability of criminals to obtain and use guns.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

DaveThis has been hashed over on the Field Notes blog.I consider it generally a good thing. Marlin might not have been able to sustain itself and either gone under or fallen to a foreign firm (Yes, I know Cerberus is a Multinational conglomerate but they are headquartered here.) such as Hyundai, Mizuono etc.Remington's marketing muscle and purchasing power could boost those Marlin brands a lot.Consolidations and aquisitions are an everyday part of life in business; Smith & Wesson recently bought Thompson Center Arms and so far things are looking good there, I have heard that S&W has its eyes out for other aquisitions as well and, as I said on the other blog, I think Savage is a possible target there.Cheer up, we still have hare and some other late season hunting, spring turkey will be here before you know it and that is a good thing.SA

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

So which firearms companies are truly American? I believe Ruger, Henry, maybe what's left of Colt, S&W?, Kimber, Springfield Armory (at least in part), Savage, Cricket?, Weatherby, Marlin, Remington?, Mossberg, T/C?, DPMS Panther, Bushmaster, and of course some of the smaller but high quality makers such as Les Baer, Ed Brown, etc. Anyone know for sure if the above list is even correct and can anyone think of others? I guess I am to tired tonight to check on my own (and have to take a bath since its Saturday night in cowboy country, somehow I suddenly feel unwashed but very privledged). I do know the total is decreasing as the years rip on by.

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from Gary wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Um, I don't think you can consider Remington an American company as it is owned by Cerberus Capital--an international holding company.I think they may be based in New York, but much of their portfolio is international.

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from jstreet wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I thought CZ owned Dan Wesson now.As far as Marlin goes, I hope they continue to make nice walnut stocked guns with good bluing.Jim

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Perhaps they may bring back the old Marlin Model 120. The model 870 mag I have, I wish I never bought it. Upon firing it ejects the case like an auto. This normal according to Remington

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from craig curtis wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

i for one am very pleased that rem. is going to be the proud new owner of the next best thing to winchester !i bought my son a lever gun (366) and his 22 is also a marlin . their great guns. and i didn't want to see another American gun manufacturer get lost in la la land or worse bought up by some god forsaken foreigner . regardless if you use or have any interest in marlin we must be concerned about all these company's going under , or needing help.i still mourn for my beloved dan wesson. but i can still get my parts and such from the new owners just cant remember who bought em !!!!!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Dave:Probably doesn't count for much. I'm unwashed and kinda like Dick Cheney. All in all, wasn't this a pretty good merger? Seems to me, Remington guns and Marlin guns were altogether different. One company made mostly levers, larger calibers, brush guns. Other company made bolt action rifles, all calibers. It seemed to me that the only place where they really went head to head was on the 22 calibers. I see quite a few Marlins up here but Remingtons aren't all that common. I might be biased though. Generally when I meet someone and their carrying a lever action, we compare his to my 94 Winchester. If I meet someone carrying a bolt action, the topic doesn't come up.YooperJack

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