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January 26, 2006

Shallow Shooters

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

OK, here’s a questions for all of you out in blogland: I’ve been arguing all morning with a friend at one of the gun companies about looks—not hers, the guns her employer makes. I claim that their best-selling model is coyote ugly, or as ugly as several recent Presidential daughters. And my question to you is, how important is a gun’s appearance? If it shoots good and the price is right, do looks matter?

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 37 weeks ago

Thay ad was pulled from British TV. They just showed it again LMAO again.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 37 weeks ago

Dave ,Check out the candy bar gatling gun Mr T uses in the Snickers commercial that got pulled because of gays complaining. It was shown on the O'Reilly factor today. That commercial is a riot LMAO.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 5 years 37 weeks ago

It's entirely possible to have a firearm that's a delight to shoot and still be a "photogenic" piece of equipment. I've had rifles that were a marvel to behold that grouped poorly, and they didn't last long in my possession but they sold readily because they were attractive.On the other hand, I've had a few rifles that were homely critters with stocks that looked like they were carved from planks instead of blanks (Why do three Remington 600s leap immediately to mind?), but they pointed well, shot accurately, and I never regretted those purchases.Ultimately, it's how well-mated our tools are to us, to the environment in which we use them. If that firearm fits and performs, THAT is beautiful.Ed

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 37 weeks ago

Dr. R,Pretty women rarely can cook, we are lowlifes in their minds, and they always have cheated on us but for one special reason we ignored the fact we new it.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Pretty women are nice to look at but what if that is their only redeeming quality? Would you still love that beautiful girl when she couldn't cook, do laundry, treated you like the lowlife you truly are and cheated on you with your best friends? I doubt it. One must judge anything by the total package. If you can find one that rates 10 in all categories she will never look your way, unless you are a very good looking multi-millionaire...

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from Andre Venables wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

The second time to the range before the deer season I took my first rifle, Remington 710, 30-06,to sight it in. At 100 yards,after two adjustments of the Bushnell scope I kept my group in the half-dollar center ring of the target. I like the rifle even though I am new to the sport-- haven't shot more than 50 rounds yet. The bolt action is a bit stiff though.

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from David wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Once I have decided on the model and maker of the gun I want to buy I will go to many different stores looking for the one that looks the best to me.One store may have the gun in a dark wood another may have it in a lighter colored wood. One store may have it in Gray or black or whatever color.Thank God I am an American and I have a choice...

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 36 weeks ago

Plus if you marry a beautiful woman who is lacking in other qualities what will you do in twenty years when the beauty fades?

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 36 weeks ago

Much the same as ugly women, ugly guns are low maintenance. When it rains and you are holding an heirloom that is older than you the hunt is over. If you scratch the stock of a Circassian Walnut custom job you have devalued it immensely. To me it's what's inside that counts, but if you can find one that looks good and performs flawlessly keep it. Woman or gun...

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from glenn wrote 7 years 6 weeks ago

Those that would put up with an ugly gun would probably put up with an ugly woman. Personally, I would prefer a pretty women. Why put up with an ugly woman unless you have no choice. Apply the same logic to guns.

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from driver wrote 7 years 20 weeks ago

props to mr rady, i'm a loyal ugly savage mod 10 owner.who cares what they look like-as long as you the individual feel comfortable with the way your ugly gun handles,feels, and shoots. hooray for ugly guns!

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from scott rady wrote 8 years 8 weeks ago

I have a finely finished Savage 110 variant. The lovely stock is complete with the injection mold marks. I am enamoured by the flutes on the barrel nut and the ability to see the machine marks on the barrel leaves me giddy as a freshman during his first slow dance. Now if I could just get the thing to quit shooting the bullets into the same hole...

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from Cole S. wrote 8 years 8 weeks ago

I think that all the guns in the survey are great, but where is the Mossberg 88. It is the shotgun that I use for everything and it shoots better than any 870 I ever shot. I dont know if it is just my gun or if all of them are like that.

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from Matt wrote 8 years 8 weeks ago

I agree with Dan Macintosh. Why not have the best of both worlds? For instance, my Browning A-Bolt Hunter in .270 WSM has a beautiful satin finish walnut stock with a hand-checkered comb and forestock and still weighs less than six and a half pounds and shoots with tack-driving accuracy. It has an abundance of excellent features such as Browning's famous 60 degree bolt throw, a hinged floorplate with a detahcable box magazine (3 round capacity), and adjustable trigger pull. This gun has a perfect blend of looks, function, and a fairly competitve price.-Matt O.

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from SANDMAN wrote 8 years 9 weeks ago

I'm with M. Peterson on this one. I'm ugly enough as it is, and getting worse every day, without hauling around an ugly gun.

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from mikey waid wrote 8 years 10 weeks ago

me and my alabamian family live on a huge piece of land.we shoot everything from squirrl,to deer,and turkey.and my all around beast stopper is the remington 710 270.cal.we dont own high priced 22. we usually use deer rifles.besides what better way to get ready for deer season.just use winchester are federal premium cpx1 for small varmint and large game birds.but the remington 7mm i own does the dangerous and supersized animals.when me and my dad went on a trip to zimbabwe.my dad came close to getting it from a charging rhino.but a split second shot saved his life.

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from scott wrote 8 years 10 weeks ago

Mr. Whelen seemed to have it right when he said only accurate guns are interesting.I believe most guns shoot far better than their owners are capable of. Its always humbling when better eyes,steadier nerves or plain old better skills, pick up one of my guns and put the bullets where I can't. Makes one look at that gun in a new light.

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from Cesar.C wrote 8 years 10 weeks ago

Yes it does, But only if you have your nose so stuck-up, That people can count your hairs.If what you aim at drops, That is what matters.

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from Jeff H wrote 8 years 11 weeks ago

I own a Springfield Scout that I use for small game and a Savage 7mm Mag. for big game. Both UGLY, but both had the right price tag. I have used both all over Alaska for almost 6 years and they have held up perfectly. I consistently take more rabbit and squirrel with my Scout than friends do with their high dollar scoped .22s.So, do looks matter??? If you are more concerned about compliments in camp from buddies than taking the game home, then yes, they do.

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from Sid Lark wrote 8 years 11 weeks ago

Life is too short to hunt with an ugly gun!Yes, a gun is a "tool" no doubt, and the uglist of the bunch will kill game. This however seems a shallow and short sided view.I'm old enough to have grown up with all/most quality firearms being made from high grade wood with gloss finish and polishing and bluing to match. Fine hand checkering and engraving are also signs of fine craftsmanship that seems to have fallen out of favor. Why should the industry produce them when we'll settle for the ugly, more rapidly assembled/finished ones?I have never purchsed a firearm with the intent of impressing anyone other than myself. I could care less if someone else is impressed with the appearence of my firearm or not. However, truth be known, they just may be.I appreciate a firearm such as this for all that it is, for the hours of work put into it, and for the fine craftsmanship that it reflects.Most of us spend many more hours looking at and handleing our firearms than in shooting them. That said, doing so with black synthetic and sand blasted finishes, would be akin to kissing your Sister!

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from GunNut wrote 3 years 17 weeks ago

Sure a good looking rifle will make you feel good, but 3 shots under 1/2 an inch will make you feel great.

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from BaboosicBomb wrote 2 years 16 weeks ago

All functioning rifles are beautiful pieces of machinery.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 37 weeks ago

Thay ad was pulled from British TV. They just showed it again LMAO again.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 37 weeks ago

Dave ,Check out the candy bar gatling gun Mr T uses in the Snickers commercial that got pulled because of gays complaining. It was shown on the O'Reilly factor today. That commercial is a riot LMAO.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 5 years 37 weeks ago

It's entirely possible to have a firearm that's a delight to shoot and still be a "photogenic" piece of equipment. I've had rifles that were a marvel to behold that grouped poorly, and they didn't last long in my possession but they sold readily because they were attractive.On the other hand, I've had a few rifles that were homely critters with stocks that looked like they were carved from planks instead of blanks (Why do three Remington 600s leap immediately to mind?), but they pointed well, shot accurately, and I never regretted those purchases.Ultimately, it's how well-mated our tools are to us, to the environment in which we use them. If that firearm fits and performs, THAT is beautiful.Ed

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 37 weeks ago

Dr. R,Pretty women rarely can cook, we are lowlifes in their minds, and they always have cheated on us but for one special reason we ignored the fact we new it.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Pretty women are nice to look at but what if that is their only redeeming quality? Would you still love that beautiful girl when she couldn't cook, do laundry, treated you like the lowlife you truly are and cheated on you with your best friends? I doubt it. One must judge anything by the total package. If you can find one that rates 10 in all categories she will never look your way, unless you are a very good looking multi-millionaire...

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from Andre Venables wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

The second time to the range before the deer season I took my first rifle, Remington 710, 30-06,to sight it in. At 100 yards,after two adjustments of the Bushnell scope I kept my group in the half-dollar center ring of the target. I like the rifle even though I am new to the sport-- haven't shot more than 50 rounds yet. The bolt action is a bit stiff though.

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from David wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

Once I have decided on the model and maker of the gun I want to buy I will go to many different stores looking for the one that looks the best to me.One store may have the gun in a dark wood another may have it in a lighter colored wood. One store may have it in Gray or black or whatever color.Thank God I am an American and I have a choice...

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 36 weeks ago

Plus if you marry a beautiful woman who is lacking in other qualities what will you do in twenty years when the beauty fades?

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 36 weeks ago

Much the same as ugly women, ugly guns are low maintenance. When it rains and you are holding an heirloom that is older than you the hunt is over. If you scratch the stock of a Circassian Walnut custom job you have devalued it immensely. To me it's what's inside that counts, but if you can find one that looks good and performs flawlessly keep it. Woman or gun...

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from glenn wrote 7 years 6 weeks ago

Those that would put up with an ugly gun would probably put up with an ugly woman. Personally, I would prefer a pretty women. Why put up with an ugly woman unless you have no choice. Apply the same logic to guns.

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from driver wrote 7 years 20 weeks ago

props to mr rady, i'm a loyal ugly savage mod 10 owner.who cares what they look like-as long as you the individual feel comfortable with the way your ugly gun handles,feels, and shoots. hooray for ugly guns!

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from scott rady wrote 8 years 8 weeks ago

I have a finely finished Savage 110 variant. The lovely stock is complete with the injection mold marks. I am enamoured by the flutes on the barrel nut and the ability to see the machine marks on the barrel leaves me giddy as a freshman during his first slow dance. Now if I could just get the thing to quit shooting the bullets into the same hole...

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from Cole S. wrote 8 years 8 weeks ago

I think that all the guns in the survey are great, but where is the Mossberg 88. It is the shotgun that I use for everything and it shoots better than any 870 I ever shot. I dont know if it is just my gun or if all of them are like that.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Matt wrote 8 years 8 weeks ago

I agree with Dan Macintosh. Why not have the best of both worlds? For instance, my Browning A-Bolt Hunter in .270 WSM has a beautiful satin finish walnut stock with a hand-checkered comb and forestock and still weighs less than six and a half pounds and shoots with tack-driving accuracy. It has an abundance of excellent features such as Browning's famous 60 degree bolt throw, a hinged floorplate with a detahcable box magazine (3 round capacity), and adjustable trigger pull. This gun has a perfect blend of looks, function, and a fairly competitve price.-Matt O.

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from SANDMAN wrote 8 years 9 weeks ago

I'm with M. Peterson on this one. I'm ugly enough as it is, and getting worse every day, without hauling around an ugly gun.

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from mikey waid wrote 8 years 10 weeks ago

me and my alabamian family live on a huge piece of land.we shoot everything from squirrl,to deer,and turkey.and my all around beast stopper is the remington 710 270.cal.we dont own high priced 22. we usually use deer rifles.besides what better way to get ready for deer season.just use winchester are federal premium cpx1 for small varmint and large game birds.but the remington 7mm i own does the dangerous and supersized animals.when me and my dad went on a trip to zimbabwe.my dad came close to getting it from a charging rhino.but a split second shot saved his life.

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from scott wrote 8 years 10 weeks ago

Mr. Whelen seemed to have it right when he said only accurate guns are interesting.I believe most guns shoot far better than their owners are capable of. Its always humbling when better eyes,steadier nerves or plain old better skills, pick up one of my guns and put the bullets where I can't. Makes one look at that gun in a new light.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Cesar.C wrote 8 years 10 weeks ago

Yes it does, But only if you have your nose so stuck-up, That people can count your hairs.If what you aim at drops, That is what matters.

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from Jeff H wrote 8 years 11 weeks ago

I own a Springfield Scout that I use for small game and a Savage 7mm Mag. for big game. Both UGLY, but both had the right price tag. I have used both all over Alaska for almost 6 years and they have held up perfectly. I consistently take more rabbit and squirrel with my Scout than friends do with their high dollar scoped .22s.So, do looks matter??? If you are more concerned about compliments in camp from buddies than taking the game home, then yes, they do.

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from Sid Lark wrote 8 years 11 weeks ago

Life is too short to hunt with an ugly gun!Yes, a gun is a "tool" no doubt, and the uglist of the bunch will kill game. This however seems a shallow and short sided view.I'm old enough to have grown up with all/most quality firearms being made from high grade wood with gloss finish and polishing and bluing to match. Fine hand checkering and engraving are also signs of fine craftsmanship that seems to have fallen out of favor. Why should the industry produce them when we'll settle for the ugly, more rapidly assembled/finished ones?I have never purchsed a firearm with the intent of impressing anyone other than myself. I could care less if someone else is impressed with the appearence of my firearm or not. However, truth be known, they just may be.I appreciate a firearm such as this for all that it is, for the hours of work put into it, and for the fine craftsmanship that it reflects.Most of us spend many more hours looking at and handleing our firearms than in shooting them. That said, doing so with black synthetic and sand blasted finishes, would be akin to kissing your Sister!

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from GunNut wrote 3 years 17 weeks ago

Sure a good looking rifle will make you feel good, but 3 shots under 1/2 an inch will make you feel great.

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from BaboosicBomb wrote 2 years 16 weeks ago

All functioning rifles are beautiful pieces of machinery.

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