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November 05, 2008

Some Random Thoughts on the Election

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

“And I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, ‘Come and see,’ and I looked and beheld a pale horse, and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.”—from The Book of Revelation

“It is already dark in Moscow, and soon it will be dark here. I wonder: shall we see the light again in our lifetimes?”—Freidrich Wilhelm Kritzinger, in the movie Conspiracy

*It could have been worse. We could have gotten Hillary, and with her the same politics as Obama plus that voice braying at us for four years. On the other hand, I will miss the excellent antics of Bubba turned loose in the White House with no one in charge of him.

*Obama says he respects the Second Amendment.  And I am Ferdinand, King of Romania.

*We are probably not going to see any gun legislation for a while. Obama and Biden will have their hands full with the coming depression and our two wars, plus energy, plus who knows what else. Also, it will take Congress a while to figure out who is who in the pecking order, who gets to steal what and how much, etc.

*Eventually, however, they will get brave and propose something really hellish in the way of gun legislation. This may not come until Obama’s second term, assuming he gets one, but it will be a doozer.

*When it does come, if there is a fight over it, we can take some small comfort from the fact that Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are two of the most ineffectual people ever to suck on the public tit.

*A gun dealer friend called and said that this past Saturday was the biggest day he has had in over 30 years in business. Much of what he sells is black rifles in one form or another, plus Class III goodies. “All the liberals who voted for Obama are scared to death they won’t be able to get guns once he takes office,” he says.

*In the weeks to come, we are likely to see an unprecedented run on any semi-automatic or quasi-military gun, plus magazines, ammo, and anything else that Joe Biden may not want us to have. As I’ve said before, hoard now and beat the rush.

*At the suggestion of one of our more intelligent contributors, I am appointing Ms. Elisha Cuthbert the Official Gun Nut Babe.

*Smile. What else can you do?

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from nc30-06 wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

AMEN to the last post.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Any state that requires you to have a permit to carry a weapon is in violation of the Second Ammendment. Any form of government interferrence is an infringement and having to register yourself for a permit and submit to fees and photograps is an infringment. Any time limit on such a permit is an infringment. Think about it, the second ammendment is violated daily and with support from the Supreme Court.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

The Brady Bunch alread has a list of wants that has been presented to Pelosi so they can have the laws ready for Jan 21 for BO to sign first thing in the morning. Count on it, the other problems in the world are just a minor incovience compared to what is planned for taking away the second ammendment. Once that is done they can rape the constitution at will.

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from CongoKurt wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

I agree with Mr. Dick McPlenty from 5 November. You are absolutely correct. In 90% of the non-scripted photo shoots of obammy it was nothing but fat white female trash and other assorted creatures without the brains that God gave a goose. Three months before the election I decided to start burying my assorted products in weatherproof and watertight containers in various places around a large body body of water that is fenced off by a certain city. Since the season was just right for the land to be nice and easy to stick a shovel into and when the rains and snow come the dirt will blend right into it's natural state within a month or so. A detailed map was drawn up along with certain marking near the site. I recommend this be done by as many people have the capability to do this (and brains) It is a VERY bad time for our country and not a time to tread lightly. If you have a CCW, CARRY DAMN IT !! There are going to be certain members of congress who are going to 'go with the flow' just to avoid problems or negative feedback in their home state.I also recommend that you stock up on handgun ammunition, especially 9mm and .45 as this will become quite expensive. Also if you have an 'assault weapon' stock up on new production ammunition (not surplus if you can afford it)..Russian Wolf is a good choice as it comes in various calibers.Good luck, and good huunting (when the time comes)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 22 weeks ago

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read“On March 5, 1991 Bonnie Elmasri called a firearms instructor, worried that her husband - who was subject to a restraining order to stay away from her - had been threatening her and her children. When she asked the instructor about getting a handgun, the instructor explained that Wisconsin has a 48-hour waiting period. Ms. Elmasri and her two children were murdered by her husband twenty-four hours later.”-Jeff Dissell, from "More Women and Children Killed By The Brady Bill"“A gun is like a seatbelt; when you need it you need it now!”-bumper sticker“A right delayed is a right denied.”-Martin Luther King, Jr.“... protection of life is NOT a legitimate use for a firearm in this country sir! ... Not! That is expressly ruled out!”-Allan Rock, Canada's Minister of Justice, VCR taping at the Triwood community centre in Calgary, Dec. 1994“With all the political hysteria being whipped up this year about school shootings, more children are killed each year by bee stings -- and far more are killed by airbags mandated by the government.”-Thomas Sowell, NewsMax, 1999-Sep-30“I don't care if you want to hunt. I don't care if you think it's your right. I say: `Sorry, it's 1999. We have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison.'”-Television talk-show host Rosie O'Donnell“Most gun-grabbers want to disarm you because they believe you must share their sickness, which they are sure would drive them to murder or suicide were they armed with a gun.”-Daniel Pouzzner“A bereaved mother whose son was shot and killed nearly two years ago -- and who spoke out against gun violence and memorialized shooting victims at the "Million Mom March" rally in Washington, D.C., last Mother's Day -- was herself convicted of shooting a man she wrongly believed was her son's killer.”-Jon Dougherty of WorldNetDaily, the opening paragraph of a 2001-Feb-5 article“So what is the first thing he would do to decrease violent behavior? Quick answer. `We've got to dismantle the NRA.' And what to do with Charlton Heston? `Shoot him - with a .44-caliber bulldog," he says with a laugh.”-Howard Feinstein, New York Post writer, reporting the views of (racist, rich, peddler of psychopath training films, black, and establishment Liberal) Spike Lee, in "Spike Takes On 'Sam' & The NRA" (New York Post, 1999-May-22 - Feinstein interviewed Lee at the Cannes Film Festival in France; the type of handgun Lee identifies was used in the Son of Sam slayings)“Remember the words of Chairman Mao: `It's always darkest before it's totally black.'.”-John McCain, 1999-Sep-17, on Jay Leno's show, discussing his presidential election prospects“It is, of course, true that if we continue to lose our freedoms, concentration camps on U.S. soil would eventually become a reality.”-Thomas R. Eddlem, in the John Birch Society's New American, 1997-Feb-17, “PATRIOT BEWARE!”“Gap Orders `Everybody In Showers'”-The Onion, 1999-Sep-8“Government is not suggestion nor persuasion, it is force...and force is violence. ...When you advocate any government action, you first must believe that violence is the best answer to the question at hand.”-Laws of the Jungle, by Allen Thornton“Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”-George Washington, presidential farewell address“Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have.”-Barry Goldwater“Spike Lee is obviously more stupid than anyone can be by accident.”-Dick Armey

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 22 weeks ago

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”-Claire Wolfe, 1995-Nov“This country is a one-party country. Half of it is called Republican and half is called Democrat. It doesn't make any difference. All the really good ideas belong to the Libertarians.”-Hugh Downs, 1997 (not really true, but the point is worth hearing)“We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true.”-Robert Wilensky, Digital Library Project, Prof. of Computer Science, University of California“People only see what they are prepared to see.”-Ralph Waldo Emerson“Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.”-Richard Salant, former President of CBS News“Reason obeys itself; and ignorance does whatever is dictated to it.”-Thomas Paine, Rights of Man ("Conclusion")“The mistake Republicans have made over the years is treating Democrats like adults.”-Ann Coulter, 2001-Feb-14, at the 28th Annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Crystal City, Virginia“Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA -- ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.”-Heinrich Himmler“Juden haben waffen! Juden haben waffen!”-“Jews have arms”, the panicked outcry of a retreating German soldier in 1942, cited by Israel Gutman in Resistance: the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, New York: Houghton Mifflin, 1994, “A publication of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum”“As an avid sportsman and as Governor of the State of Louisiana, I have been extremely interested in the recent politically-motivated lawsuits against your industry, especially the ill-advised suit by the mayor of New Orleans. I know I speak for the majority of Louisiana citizens and businessmen when I say that lawsuits such as these are very, very wrong. It is wrong to blame the responsible manufacturer of a legitimate and non-defective product for the criminal use of that product. It is wrong to ignore your industry's success in support of firearms education and accident prevention and to dismiss the role of your industry in providing quality products for hunting, target shooting, self-protection and law enforcement.”-Louisiana Governor M. J. "Mike" Foster, in a letter to the National Shooting Sports Foundation urging them to hold The 2001 Shot Show in New Orleans“If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same [...] They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section [...] they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.”-The US Code, Title 18, §241, "Conspiracy against rights"

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 22 weeks ago

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read“There is no doubt in my mind that millions of lives could have been saved if the [German] people were not brainwashed about gun ownership and had been well armed. ... Gun haters always want to forget the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which is a perfect example of how a ragtag, half-starved group of Jews took 10 handguns and made asses out of the Nazis.”-Theodore Haas, Dachau Survivor

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Gritz, what planet ar you from?I went to public schools when God and Country meant something and the Teacher didn’t put up with any crap with any of the students.In a nut shell, I’m a Neal Boortz Lebertarian that voted Republican, any questions!By the way Gritz, you shouldn’t stereo type people, because obviously you don’t have a clue who you’re dealing with here! The type of people here will go into a burning building to save your sorry ass!

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from Michael wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

"A little revolution now and then is a good thing."Thomas JeffersonThe second amendment is now even more important with the national media so obviously biased and easily bought instead of being objective and the watchdogs for society.The founding fathers included the second amendment (from long experience with the British) so politicians could not take away the other rights.

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from 007 wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Firedog,Could you post the link for the transition site you mentioned earlier? I looked for it and was so deluged with Obamamania that I am now ill and must take therapy in a treestand tomorrow. I agree with most of you in that we should give Obama a chance and not condemn until he gives us a reason, but having said that, I still don't trust him or Biden and think they bear close watching. It was on the news this morning about the plans he already has for executive order actions to reverse some of the Bush policies. Watch out!!

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from The Goat wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

EyeballYou and I would probably make real good friends if we met. Its just alot of people dont realize we did not invite all this suffering and what not that got pushed of on the native americans. I myself love my rite as they stand and do not want a man that openly admits that he wont sport our colors, will not place a hand over his heart for the pledge, has not come forth with his proof of being born in america,says you do not have to like a country to run it, a wife that hates the usa, wants to take away our rites to bear arms. The history we speak of is history, all we can do as americans is to fight for what we stand for. Ita a never ending battle. I do not know anyones nationality but i feel we are all brothers and want the same thing, not to be striped or what we enjoy. Whats next on obamabinladins agenda? Marshal law? Prison for whats on your mind and thaking the 1st and second amendment from us? Its already starting as we speak. Its bed time for me now ,but i wish all my brothers out there to watch out for themselves and have a good one and will be back on tomarrow. May all of our gods smile upon us. nite all

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Individual indian warriors were superior to their white opponents in every way. They had strength, speed, courage, audacity, and stealth on their side. Unfortunately for them, their white enemies had superior organization and technology.For what it is worth, the whites who usually spoke up for the Indians were the Christian missionaries. And the abolition movement (not to mention the Underground Railroad) was Christian as well.Neat to see how PC has affected religious discourse. Time was, if you said Jesus was Savior, you were right or wrong. Now, you are intolerant (what's wrong with MY god?).

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Hey, Goat!I fear Eyeball has something on Native Americans although I must agree whites broke every treaty and agreement…..actually white gov’t did….made. However, I don’t agree Native Americans were helpless sheep and totally moral. If there was an Indian Genghis Khan, whites never would have made it. Something I always keep in mind.I lived in three areas where particular Native Americans had an influence way out of proportion to their numbers…Blackfeet in Montana, Comanche in Texas, and the Iroquois in NY. Since I’m more knowledgeable of the Iroquois of NY:-Reason we don’t speak French is because of the Iroquois.-They were slavers. The Iroquois raided the Ohio Country for slaves, shipped their captives to the West Indies through Ft Oswego on Lake Ontario.-Folks [red or white] got in the Iroquois way, they were wiped out. It was that way for 200-years.-Iroquois sided with the British in the Revolutionary War.They were not nice people, and very sophisticated and organized ass kickers….and after 300-years the Confederacy still is….. As is shown via the Cayuga Land Claims and at St Regis on the Canadian border. …Something I also keep in mind.Guess that’s Karma. :-)

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from MK wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Just out of curiosity how long does the FBI hold info from background checks on gun sales? Didn't Bush sign a law that required them to destroy the records after a short period of time? Something Obama is sure to do away with quickly

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from The Goat wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

To Eyeballfirst of all, the aztecs are way south and obamabinladin gave roughly or is going to give amnesty to about 10 million yes that many condition and job stealing illegal aliens from the south wher your aztecs come from. Like most all my brothers i am NOT haveing ANY PROTEST MAARCH as you call it. I simply like my rites as do you. You can take your statements and stick them where your sun does not shine. I simply was stating a fact. sure we fought, we had to, but we did no sacrificing of anything other than for our way of life and our freedom.And for your chistianity, think real hard and look into YOUR past and see where if you did not believe in chist you where dead. This is in the other countries not mine. There is a spirit alrite and you cannot come and say it is your christ. He may have another name and just because you guys have a bible saying this doesnt matter, fabrication it could be maybe he was native american, whites lye cant tell. Enough of religeion. we as a whole have to do something about this before we lose every rite we have fought so hard for. Thank you Jim in mo. for saying what you did, not much but felt good.David S. I will take your words on do something good with them, and thank you all, not mad atya eyeball, just get facts straight and north and south. We are in for a big fight, lets do it togethet

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Hey Gritz, I'm also a small businessman. I can't, however, decide whether I'm a Liberal or Conservative. I've voted since 1972, but never for a Democrat Presidential Candidate.You say you're for schools. Does it bother you that the dropout rate, in some districts, is 50 per cent, and even some of the graduates are functionally iliterate? Or are you satisfied that most teachers have excellent benefits. I've never yet heard a conservative complain about the school funding. I do hear a lot about performance, however.As a liberal, you must be for the national health insurance that was promised. I guess we should expand that to include cosmetic surgery, dentistry (including implants)) because a persons's self-esteem is part of their overall health. All liberals want mortgage defaults suspended. Should we extend that benefit to auto loans and credit card debt, also? Another thought; should skin color be a consideration when the government guarantees these loans? You also alluded to your civil liberties. In the event that BHO rescinds all of the GWB wiretapping, and we suffer another attack, will you proudly eulogize the victims, as those who died with their civil liberties intact? Even a close relative/loved one?Being a liberal means you have to bite the bullet. I'm not ready.YooperJack

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from Gritz wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

To Clay CooperI appreciate the wit with which you so graciously educated me with in your history lesson. You must have gone to a private religious school because it is much different than the obviously inferior public education that I was handed by our gov. It is also interesting that many conservatives that I know pride themselves on their superior work ethic and brains that they assume they have. Ego often lies to people in such ways. In reality, I am very liberal in my political views. I have never collected any money from the government and I do not believe in anything free. I own my own business. It is probable that I pay 3 to 4 times the taxes that you do and unlike you I do not whine about supporting my local schools, and shelling out a few grand every year to insure that there is someone there to keep the lights on for us. Many conservatives that I know are great people but miss the point that without the government (even with all those high power toys) they would all die very quickly. Pride yourself on all that "wisdom" that you have and keep teaching your gospel but don't expect anyone to believe you. In reality, we can see where it leads. I have lost more rights and freedoms in the last 8 years in the name of homeland security with millions of people protesting every inch of the way than I will lose in the next 4.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Now da whitey gonna get his.

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Hey Everyone:We live in the greatest country ever created! We'll survive this. It could be a rough period, but we do have a constitution that guarantees us inaliable rights.Because of the current economy, BHO will be limited in what he can do. I doubt that he'll have much time to spend on Freedom of Speech (Fairness Doctrine) or Gun Control. Even his fair tax objectives might have to be shelved because of the unemployment issue. Also, because of alternative media, he might have problems getting ultra liberal judges appointed. Much as I liked McCain, he ran a lackluster campaign. The brightest aspect was Sara Palin.BTW, someone was eventually going to discover the Americas. Just imagine the world today, had the Chinese, Japanese or Russians got here first.YooperJack

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from TommyNash wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Thomas Jefferson:The country will need violent revolution every 50 years. We're a bit overdue...

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

The goat;White men wrote a lot of treaties with red, and most of them were broken. But do not have the idea that the Americas or the world were some sort of paradise until the white men came. The Indians put up such a good fight because they practiced on each other before the white men got here. The Aztecs used to cut the hearts out of thousands upon thousands of prisoners of war in the name of their own religion; the Mayas threw them into wells for the same reason, and not a white man in sight. Western civilization, motivated by Christianity, is what has virtually abolished slavery worldwide over the last two hundred years, with not an ACLU lawyer or Democrat in the slaves' corner. If you want to fix what's broke that's great, but leave the protest march slogans on the protest line where they belong.

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from DavidS wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

well, once again the american public never cease to amaze me. they vote for obama, and then RUN to the gun store to get everything they will no longer be able to get once he takes office. where in the hell are their brains! what were you thinking?!?its like putting the devil in charge of handing out angel wings. you just know that no good can come of it. as i see it, obama respects nothing of any value to the american public as a whole. i do not know why he won the election, but he did. so maybe now we should run an ad in the washingto gazzete. "wanted, man with enough stones to be commander in cheif"! obama certainly has no buisness doing it. how can you run the military if you hate everything about guns. can you imagine if some country actually gets the nerve to attack us. obama would be up there telling the generals to throw candy at our attackers, not shoot bullets. well, we USED TO BE the greatest country in the world. now, we are all DOOMED! "ya better strap in, its going to be a hell of a ride!" now, this is it, now, is the time to act. THIS IS A CALL TO DEFEND YOUR ARMS! if you want to preserve your rights, and keep your guns, you had better get off your duffs, and join the NRA . AND, you will NEED to GET INVOLVED, NOT JUST PAY THE DUES, AND PUT A STICKER ON YOUR TRUCK! we all need to get together and fight for a common cause (keeping our rights and our guns). if we, as a whole fail to do this, the gun grabbing liberals will systematicly take away most of what you now enjoy and take for granted. if we fail to mobilize now, it will take many, many terms to regain the ground we now have. we need a HUGE, UNITED FRONT to combat this. and i believe that we need to at least double in size the NRA, and every individule needs to get invovled at our local level somehow. if you work many hours, contribute funds, if you have a few hours a week, donate your time to help the cause.to The Goat, what our forefathers did to you guys was horrid. in my opinion, you had the right way of living. and yes, we came and screwed it all up. you were right, we were wrong. it is that simple. the problem now is, how could it be fixed. you need to come up with a plan to beat us at ur own game. so, find your most intelegent leaders, get to gether and make a plan, then implement it. it is not going to happen overnight, it will probably take years. maybe even generations. but if you are sucsessful, it would be worth the wait. i am serious, DO IT! it would be great to live in a country that was ruled by honor, honesty, and wisdom! instead of lies, deceipt, and theivery.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

The Goat,I kinda thought the same thing and am embarrased I didn't say something. If anyone deserves reparations it should be Am. Indians.

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from The Goat wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

To Elmer SkeltonYou know before the white man, this was a very good country. Using some of your words...you goddamn so called intelligent white skins, come here and infest our country with your deseaaes and your dumb ass ways of running a country.You bring religon and with that comes murdering thousands of inocent men wemen and children, taking our natural resourses and destroying everything that was good because we socalled goddamn indians are ignorant and cannot survive without your dumbass rules. This was a majestic land with pease and harmony. you try to enslave us and when we put up a fight you call us savages, but tell me this, you were the savages. Just think about this, you whites are the reason obamabinladin is pres now.you brought slaves here because you were too damn lazy to do your own work. so dont talk trash about NATIVE AMERICANS. I dont like this dude either, but dont you dare speak about my heritage like that. Lets keep the native americans out of this, we had nothing to do with this. I am sorry for stupping to your level.

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from Skeeter Keith wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Welcome to a world where the Constitution gets trampled by an army of terrorist clones, created in a stem-cell research lab run by homosexual doctors who sterilize their instruments over burning American flags. Where tax-and-spend Democrats take all your hard-earned money and use it to buy electric cars for National Public Radio, and teach evolution to illegal immigrants.

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from Elmer Skelton wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

The people have spoken - and apparently they're tired of freedom. Don't get me wrong, I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed. I thought this country would last longer than 230 years. That's it, folks, America is over. At this point, we might as well just give it back to the goddamn Indians.

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from MMM wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Clay, you made go to the fridge to get a beer after that enlightening, thoughtful, accurate history lesson

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from Ed wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

If the pro-gun establishment is so anti Democrat, how come they REFUSED to publicise the fact that it was the CLINTON-GORE administration, assisted by RUTH BADER GINSBURG that undermined and destroyed an important environmental law,thus exposing the "liberals" as HYPOCRITES? See the court case "Weber V. Pena,1993" case # 93-0712 US District Court for District of Columbia.In it the Clinton Gang implied that the justice who wrote the famous OVERTON PARK decision of the US Supreme Court, 1971, was a senile old idiot who didn't understand what he was writing. The Justice was THURGOOD MARSHALL.

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

I know that I've probably made some bad statments about obama in the past. I'm not a racist, I'm a realist. I look back over the history of black leaders in the U. S. and I cannot get past the outcome of their outspokeness. Martin Luther King, Farakan, Malcom X, Tupac, all assinated. If I was obamas's wife I would be scared shitless, for my husband and my daughters. I really hope that he can do everything good that he has promised, otherwise there will a lot of pissed off people in the U.S. Given the history of this country, In reality I don't see it happening.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Pelosi, Reid, Durban and Barney are indeed going to be the Obama Admin's sources of major problems, not the GOP. Obama's likely been already told to go to hell by those people, they're going to press forward their radical agendas.I give matters 'till summer '09 then it'll be a repeat of the LBJ years of '65 to '68.It ain't gonna be pretty.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

firedog,I too have heard similar statements in person. These people will soon have their eyes opened when they find out 'change' doesn't mean a free ride. Thats when people like Jesse Jackson will resurface and get back in the spotlight stirring up trouble. He will try blackmailing Obama to get his way much as he does large corporations. They give in just to get him to shut up and go away. Obama will have names like Uncle Tom thrown at him. He's not going to have an easy time, I hope he doesn't cave.

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from buckstopper wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Andrew,The man's skin color has nothing to do with my problems with him. I agree the Republican leadership has screwed up. This race was won by Dems before the first ballot was cast. I've heard more hateful and untrue rhetoric from our Democrat leaders publicly toward Bush than anything ever said bad about Obama. The Republicans screwed up because they did not govern as conservitives as they were elected to do. Now we are EXPECTED to give Mr. Obama a grace period from any criticism that Pres. Bush was never given even after this country was attacked by radical Muslim fundamentalist. Nevertheless, I hope and pray Mr. Obama well in his presidency. The country needs some repairs, but socialistic and communistic ideas have always failed. Conservitism when applied always works. If Obama tries too much radical change in the first two years, Congress will turn back over to the Republicans as it did in '94. If Obama is smart he'll lead from the center, but I don't think his radical backers (Soros and Co) or the Dem leaders will allow him. Pelosi, Reid, Durban and the Barney are the most inept group of liberal party hacks that have ever darkened the halls of Congress. The media should hold what they say and do to the fire but they still get a free pass. I believe you won't see any radical gun legislation until after mid term elections or Obama's 2nd(gulp) term. See what has happened to the reasonable gun owners of Austrailia and the UK. "Those who give away their freedoms for security shall have neither"- Ben Franklin

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from firedog wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

I suggest all of you go to the Transition web site of BO and JB. They have already laid out their agenda on firearms and that agenda very plainly says your firearms are gone. To those who say his hands are full of other problems, well the way to do things like banning all firearms is have to something else on peoples minds... like a bad economy? Prepare to become a serf of those who won't work. don't want to and believe that that as long as they have their NFL and beer then that is all that matters. You can go to youtube and watch the big ass women of color talking about how with BO in office she don't have to make her mortage payment or car payment anymore. I am sure you can find some big ass people of various color all saying that. BO pulled a real PT Barnum on America along with the news media and the rich. Both parties have so badly warped the system that I doubt that we can ever recover our freedoms that are now gone. Ron Paul was the answer and people just couldn't accept the responsibility of taking care of themselves.

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from Andrew wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

This white gun owner [pistol, 6 long guns] voted for Obama, and was proud to do so. I've voted for a white person in every election in my life: this is the first time I've ever been accused of voting for someone because of their race.Any change in the ruling party from Republican to Democrat can be laid squarely at the feet of Republican leaders, who spent eight years screwing this country up.As someone at redstate.com put it: We love socialism when it's for the people we like: Iowa ethanol farmers, corporations, etc. We hate it when it's for people we don't like: inner-city minorities, etc.As for guns: President Obama will have a heck of a lot more to worry about that gun legislation.

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from matt wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Just out for curosity, did anyone see Nightline tonight about hording? At least thats ONE way to help the economy...

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Well, Maybe…..Clay,But I don’t see any dramatic modifications to barrel, action, stock, etc to all other parts. I don’t know how the shroud could be installed if the barrel was bent. Crown’s excellent.This particular rifle’s rasion d’etre wasn’t to punch paper, for sure.This ’03 has what I believe is the 1905 battle sights. …Thin front blade. The rear sight is rather complex. The basic flat sights are what I call Partridge Sight front and rear leaf. Using these sights the rifle is eight-inches high at 100-yards. This appears close to what a 400/450-yard zero would be. You’d know more about this than me.However, there must be five other different sights/apertures and a glorified peep of sorts on the rear thing. One side of the “ladder rail” has different markings than the other. There is a windage correction knob that appears to have 11 clicks per side; each click must equal an inch at 100-yards. I’m still trying to figure it out.The barrel is not refinely turned or polish. The engravings near the muzzle are sharp, but I have no idea what they mean or refer. The barrel and the receiver are what I would call “browned” as in the old black powder rifles were “browned”, not blued.The rifling is not cut “Sharp”, there’s rounded edges…to my eyes anyway. I don’t believe this rifle was shot much. The bolt face shows very little wear.Hopes this helps. Think we need an old time infantry boot to tell us something of the old days.

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from Michael wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Every gun owner in America better get their membership in (and any other contributions they can spare) to the NRA. They will be the only defense we will have. After all, we all know the democrats aren't easy, but they can be had. (bought?)

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from Huntin Nutt wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Told you guys Palin was a bad pick for the ticket. She rallied the base but totally turned off independents McCain needed to win.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials.”-George Mason“A covenant not to defend myself from force, by force, is always void. For (as I have shown before) no man can transfer or lay down his right to save himself from death, wounds, and imprisonment, the avoiding whereof is the only end of laying down any right; and therefore the promise of not resisting force, in no covenant transferreth any right, nor is obliging. For though a man may covenant thus, unless I do so, or so, kill me; he cannot covenant thus, unless I do so, or so, I will not resist you when you come to kill me. For man by nature chooseth the lesser evil, which is danger of death in resisting, rather than the greater, which is certain and present death in not resisting. And this is granted to be true by all men, in that they lead criminals to execution, and prison, with armed men, notwithstanding that such criminals have consented to the law by which they are condemned.”-Thomas Hobbes (1588 - 1679), English political philosopher, from Leviathan (1651), Chapter XIV, “Of the First and Second Natural Laws, and of Contracts”“False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm those only who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicide, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. They ought to be designated as laws not preventive but fearful of crimes, produced by the tumultuous impression of a few isolated facts, and not by thoughtful consideration of the inconveniences and advantages of a universal decree.”-Ceasare Beccaria, 18th century criminologist, in On Crimes and Punishments“But I don't want to defend myself.”-reportedly uttered by a Brady Law supporter

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

GritzThe difference between us and you is we have learned from history and don’t want to repeat it. You think with emotion, we do not!“As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.”-Supreme Court Justice William O. DouglasI dedicate this history lesson for you Mr or Mz GritzSubject: Conservatives/LiberalsHumans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadichunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during thesummer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.The two most important events in all of history were the invention ofbeer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:1. Liberals; and2. ConservativesOnce beer was discovered, it required grain and that was thebeginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum canwere invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting aroundwaiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to thebrewery. That's how villages were formed.Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q atnight while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of whatis known as the Conservative movement.Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to liveoff the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doingthe sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women.The rest became known as girlie-men.Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication ofcats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept ofDemocratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest,most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals aresymbolized by the jackass.Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most preferwhite wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but liketheir beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standardliberal fare.Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women havehigher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers,personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and grouptherapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and stillprovide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeocowboys, Polymer Science PhDs, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, Physicists, police officers, corporate executives,athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producersand decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeansare more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberalsremained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . Theycrept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business oftrying to get more for nothing.Here ends today's lesson in world history: It should be noted that aLiberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the abovebefore forwarding it. A Conservative will simply laugh and be soconvinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will beforwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberalsjust to piss them off.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Mark-1The gibberish on the barrel? Has it been turned to remove the parkarised like finished? If so you may be looking at is what is called the “Armory Squid”. About the sight picture, I don’t buy the hold it at the belt buckle at all stories. Of all my life dealing in Military Service Rifle Competition, nothing comes even close. I really think someone either filed the front sight down or the barrel is bent or bad crown???

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Wa M Hunter,I've already swept it under the rug. Can't believe on another blog couple guys supposed to meet for a fight at Bass Pro. I'd love it to end up being a couple eighty year old geezers.I just hope he's smart and moves to the center sorta like Kennedy did.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Now that he is the President-elect, let's stop bashing Obama and see what he really does in office. All politicians will say anything to get elected, whether is is to the left or the right of center.If he turns out to be a real problem, let's work to impeach him or elect his sucessor in four years. Until then, Let's give him a chance. I didn't vote for him, but he is due a chance.I served in the military for 22 years under 6 Presidents and none were perfect. JMHO

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from G.R. wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Wow! So those of us outdoorsmen who like the outcome of the presidential election are somehow flawed ... we'll miss being a part of the "right thinking" mass hyteria (I call it hypocrisy).So we'll ignore the starkly unveiled racism toward President-elect Barack Obama in particular and a lot of others in general. And as for the cute and clever commentaries of "defiant patriots," we'll just forget (soon, I hope) how snide and nasty those comments and those people are.And ultimately, we'll brace against the brainless, lock-step bigots who sound like Brown Shirts in '36.We'll stop listening to the truthlessness of your Hannitized Kool-aid rants and your Limbaughed line of fear-paralyzed thought.I will tell you, though: No one has to worry about a bunch of whining weasels who can ONLY bitch and gripe about America and that's all they're able to do.

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from 007 wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Dr. Ralph,Please allow me to finish your statement. The words you are looking for are not a racial slur, but instead are "liberal democrat".

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from Red Blade wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

screw the $$..grow ur own food...let go of the materialism bull..learn to get along and share the fruits. Change has come !

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from Uncle Scruffy wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Obama wants to dissolve all 401K's and roll them into the already-bankrupt Social Security System. They will increase in value by 3% annually BUT any and all profits made from investing that money into stocks will go to the government for "handling" OUR money.It's only the beginning, folks !!!

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Clay,This Springfield ’03 is a shooter. Had it checked out w/gunsmith. The Springfields numbered 800xxx or higher are safe shooters.This gun smith stated, and his statement confirmed of ’03 websites, Springfields as low as 750xxx are double heat treated.I can believe something was done to the front sights of the rifle. Presently, if a trooper holds on the belt buckle, there’s a hit in the chest. If the soldier holds on the chest, there’d be a hit in the head. I recall *somewhere* two old soldiers said/wrote this was how the Krag’s and early Springfield’s sights were designed and adjusted. I can’t recall if this was for the Spanish-American War and/or WW I. However, there must be something to my memory and as to what these old soldiers said. This rifle fits their statements to a “T”.This rifle has four-lands in the barrel. There’s some engraved gibberish on the barrel between the bayonet mounting and the front sight band. The barrel length is slightly less than 24-inches.Many thanks for the info and interest.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Gritz I think if you take any group you will find racists, sexists and just plain weirdo's and nut jobs. It's not hunters it's the human condition.I feel sorry for Obama. He has his hands so full right now it's scary. The Dow dropped another 450 points yesterday after a 500 point drop the day before. The sad thing is he is taking over a country on the brink of economic and social collapse and everyone will blame him if it doesn't immediately improve. I can already hear them saying "see what happens when you elect a ________ "...

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from Gritz wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I am pleased with this blog. I love the gun discussions and the political cries are like a train slowly crashing head on into another train while thousands of babies go up in flames and twisted metal. It is horrific but so stimulating that I just can't look away. I don't spend much time on the internet and I have not found anywhere else where I can read so much mis-information; borderline racist, sexist and blind. Sometimes I get done reading a post and I am excited about getting out in the woods and sometimes I read and look around to make sure no one can see what I am reading and with a little shame I wonder if the generations of hunting tradition that I am a part of is worth being associated with the garbage that is being held up as real discussion. Keep to the facts. I see more movie quotes than legislature and more racism and fear than actual thought. It is this kind of mentality that is slowly moving me from "we hunters" to "those (*&(*&'n hunters."

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

“There is a hot wind blowingIt moves across the oceans and into every portA plague. A black plague.There's danger everywhereAnd you've been sailing.And you're alone on an island now tuning in.Did you think this was the wayYour world would end?Hombres. Sailors. Comrades.There is no pure land now.No safe place.And we stand here on the pierWatching you drown.Love among the sailors.Love among the sailors.There is a hot wind blowing.Plague drifts across the oceans.And if this is the work of an angry GodI want to look into his angry face.There is no pure land now.No safe place.Come with us into the mountains.Hombres. Sailors. Comrades.”-Laurie Anderson, “Love Among the Sailors,” Tightrope, published 1994

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Russia term-limit expansion could bring Putin backby David Nowak - Nov. 7, 2008 12:00 AMAssociated PressMOSCOW - Russia's constitution will be amended by year's end to extend the presidential term to six years, lawmakers promised Thursday, a move that could pave the way for Vladimir Putin's return to the Kremlin.Link to story: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/11/07/20081107russia-preside... Obama ????????Vladimir Putin's return to the Kremlin???????I wonder?????????

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Mark-1Be careful on your loads Mark, I think your rifle has a action that in only single heat treated??? The 03-A3 I have the action is double heat treated. If your rifle is shooting as high as you say, this leads me to think someone has filed the front sight down.The150 grain load you’re shooting is basically the same load I’m shooting, Hornady 150 SST, 53 grains IMR4064 Military Lake City 62 Match brass with a Federal 210 primer at 3080fps out of a 22 inch barrel and talk about a tack driver! By the way using Military brass is about the equivalent of adding 1.5 grains of powder due to its thicker case.How many lands to the bore have, 2 or 4?

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I don't think we need to stock up on guns so much, unless there's one that you really want. I am diffinatly going to stock up on ammo though because when obama gets assinated the democrats of color are going to go on a riot spree like we've never seen. That would be a good way for the taliban/ Iraqie/ Afgans/ ETC. to get even with us is to kill him and make it look like a white did it and let racisim do the rest!

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

so it was anti-american to not support bush; but now what is it to not support obama?

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Hey, Chad!!!Many thanks to yours and for Clay's interest.Writing again: very neat old rifle. To hit a deer with how these old rifle sights, I'll hav-ta aim knee high!!!Waiting for an old gray beard, that used one of these old Springfield '03's.Gotta bend strings. Big shows coming up....and the deer season. ...pheasant season winding down.Really, the birds now have become very smart.

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from Mick Wood wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Regarding the election outcome and firearms: we lost the election because we stopped practicing conservatism after Reagan. Fiscal, social, you name it, we stopped--or rather, the party stopped. That needs to change. Having said that, if the Fairness Doctrine is put back in play, we'll have an even tougher row to hoe.Regarding stocking up on guns: The first things they'll go after are whatevever they decide to label "assault weapons", whether black rifles, Glocks, 1911's, or my old Wnchester Model 74 that holds too many rounds, but is over 70 years old and shoots .22 Shorts. Single shots, bolt actions and revolvers will be for later. Ammo: don't buy at Walmart where you're videotaped; buy somewhere that you can use cash and there's no name on the receipt. Same goes for components. Expect lead ammo bans, 500% taxes on ammo, etc., all the stuff UpChuck Schumer can dream of. Then keep praying.

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from Chad Love wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Mark, my dad has a couple Springfields, an 03-A3 and an older 03 like yours. The 03 someone spent a lot of time and money on turning it into a full-on professionally-done custom gun. It's simply gorgeous and I'm trying to figure out a way to beat him out of it.The 03-A3 was a sporter conversion as well, but it retained the parkerized finish of the 03a3 and the barrel, which had been turned, cut and re-crowned.I had never been particularly interested in old Springfields before, but I guess it's a sign of impending lower-middle age...

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from Bob wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

We may have to let the 2nd Amendment take care of itself for the next few years and concentrate instead on saving the 1st. Democrats are still determined to criminalize "irresponsible" (counterrevolutionary) speech via the Fairness Doctrine.

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from Andrew wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I guess there are idiots out there who think the GOP "rapes the land" On the Outer Banks in NC the federal government under Bush shut down the best fishing point on the east coast, because of some gd bird that was native to New England landed there. If you actually took the time to understand the relationship between executive agencies, congress and the courts you would see no party can act on it's own. There are almost 100 years of environmental protections on the books and most of the battles today are settled in court. Indusrty pays the costs countless suits brought by environmental groups, most of whom are living off the tax payer.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I don't know why anyone is worried about the Second Amendment, after all the Democratic party doesn't have sixty votes in the Senate so as long as the Republicans there are truly dedicated to the Second Amendment, they can filibuster any anti-gun legislation. Or do you know in your hearts that the Republican party was just playing lip service to you all along?There are many liberals who are pro-gun, but you wouldn't know that as the hardcore whackos in the Republican party have been crapping on them for the past thirty years.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

It's not an 03-A3. It's a 1903 made at the Springfield Arsenal in 1918. Everything is original on it down to the complete cleaning kit stuck in the stock.Horrible trigger and lock time, but it's very easy to keep everything within three-inches at 100 yards with my old eyes with these old fashion sights.The stock finish must be spar varnish.My Loads: 150-grain handloads w/53-grains of 4064. w/gov't brass. ...May change to 165-gr bullets.180-grain factory Win Silvertips150-gr u.s. military ballAny info is appreciated on this neat, old battle rifle.

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from jim in nc wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

DP:I think you're right about the anti-gun views of Hillary, Shumer, et al. But--go ahead, call me Pollyanna--I'm just not that scared of them. first, the Democratic majority in congress next year is going to be to the right of where it is today; it includes a large number of pro-gun people from conservative and rural districts who just won't go along with a wholesale attack on our rights. Second, did you hear anything about guns in this year's election? I thought not--the whole issue is radioactive, and even the antigunners are reluctant to bring it up. Obama may be antigun, but he sure isn't a fool. Third, the Supreme Court has recently given us a real boost. I worry more about privatization and wholesale rape of the environment under the GOP so that I won't have anyplace to hunt.

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from Zermoid wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I bought a 1911 and a Ruger 44 mag this year, I'm good for a while, as long as they don't start house to house searches..........Need to get some PVC pipe, glue, and end caps.And grease, lots of grease.....

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from The Goat wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tell me , has anyone heard if this socialist pig obamabinladin has show anyone his birth certificate? and has his wife changed her mind about hatein the USA? and for the coach ike out there, the last guy didnt try to screw with your gun rites and hunting rites. and you must be one of them democratic spys trying to sway us with " oh he is a savyor" type crap. i say impeach the commie bastard & and his side kick and make ron paul pres. His values are rite up everyones alley.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Mark-1What load are you using for your 03-A3?

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

And the price gouging has begun. AR lowers that were $109 last week are now $180. Way to panic everyone.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Off subject, but neat off-subject….Recently acquired a Springfield Armoury 1903, #856xxx (1918 manufacture), all original. I’m getting into hunting with old military rifles. This rifle is in excellent condition and is very accurate and groups well, but it shoots eight-inches high at 100-yards. The sights are original, rear sight mounted on the barrel…..no peep sights per say.I recollect somewhere the old battle rifles were designed with sights to hit high. The troops were trained to sight on the belt buckle. The bullet would hit chest high.Is this indeed correct on my part? Some of you more experience rifle shooters may know more about this rifle than I've been able to find.BTW I haven’t seen metal work on a rifle like this in years. There’s not a mill mark on this rifle.Wish me luck. I'm using this rifle on deer this year.

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from Tyler (NC) wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Thank you all for your opnions and thoughts. looks like im looking for that .38 and then maybe a year or so from now ill try the to jump through the hoops to get another one. Thanks again!

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

JK-They're ALL smarmy and self righteous, but Fox is doing while claiming to be "fair and balanced". They do far more harm to us than good.For instance, check this out:http://crooksandliars.com/2008/07/25/mcclellan-white-house-gave-fox-commentators-talking-points/

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from KJ wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Jeff T. -Fox News is smarmy and self-righteous? Have you watched MSNBC lately? Or CNN? Or ABC/NBC/CBS? Thanks for your steps in how to reform the GOP, but give me a break!

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from Tom Bowers wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

E-Mail me dave

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

F&S: nimbusters looks like a hate site if I've ever seen one...

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from Tootsweet wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago
from Jeff T. wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

It is time to tear down and rebuild the Republican Party. It has strayed far off course from what were it's core ideals and become a haven for the out of touch and self-interested.If this election teaches the party any lesson it is that it needs to adopt more moderate views and attract the center. I doubt many Democrats crossed the line to vote for McCain but a great many Republicans did.Those Republicans who crossed the line were the ones who believe in small government, self-reliance, and personal freedom (i.e. 1st and 2nd Amendment rights). They are also the ones who are SICK and TIRED of hearing about the usual party talking points. If the GOP wants to be relevant in this century it needs to:1. Just shut the hell up about Roe v. Wade. The majority of Americans don't want it reversed.2. Stop trying to mix BS fundie religion with everything from the courts to Congress to our schools. (I'm not voting for anyone who believes that God actually talks to them or that the fossil record can't be more than a few thousand years long.)3. Ignore FOX NEWS! I can't imagine a more smarmy nest of self-righteous, out of touch peckerheads. Well, maybe Al Jazeera.This is coming from someone who has voted Republican all his life (including this election), served 5 years on active duty, and is a Life NRA member.Enough is enough.

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from jack wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Supplemental amateur random thoughts:Obama did not beat McCain - the Economy and Two Wars beat McCain. Under these circumstances, any Republican you can name could not have beaten any Democrat.

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from Beekeeper wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Socialism Doesn't Scare the Millions Who Don't Pay Taxes. There are approximately 47 million Americans who pay no taxes other than sales tax! Another little side note: how many of you caught the CNN sound bite of Obama supporters waving the flag of the former Soviet Union in front of the White House in victory?

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from Paul Wilke wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Not my choice.But he is my president!E-mail every senator and congessman you can, as often as you can expessing your concern over your 2cd amendment rights. Include the need for actions that actually help the outdoor sportsmans needs.You do know how to E-mail don't you?He is the POTUS but WE have the power, only if we exercise it.

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from Steve M wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Despite any objections you may have with them, the NRA is now our last, best hope for the continuation of our hobby and lifestyle. There is no organization more feared by the liberal democrats. Imagine the level of that fear (repect?) if instead of 4 million members there were 8 million. Or 16 million.The magazine alone is worth the price of membership and yearly membership costs no more than a couple of boxes of rifle ammo.This it boys and girls, Our backs are against the wall.JOIN THE NRA NOW!!!!!!

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from SilverArrow wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Some (admittedly amateur) analysis of why Obama is our next President.1. McCain was painted as a Bush Proxy by the Democrats and media and did not do enough to distance himself from GWB.2. McCain never offered a concrete plan to put Americans back to real work in the hardest hit 'rust-belt' regions.2a. Neither did Obama BUT as part of the incumbent party McCain had more of an onus to put such a plan out there.3. For the last 21 months Obama's organization has been out in the neighborhoods, visible, enthusiastic, relentlessly pounding one word into the American vernacular - "Change!"4. At least in my neck of the woods Ron Paul's supporters had more enthusiasm than McCain's Team.5. McCain did not convince those Americans in the Center that he was the better choice for them; choosing Palin (whether you like or dislike her) as his running mate to woo the conservative vote was simply a mistake - he was already going to get the conservative vote, he needed a moderate running mate!6. The Obama team went after Electoral votes better than McCain did. 52% of the popular vote is no mandate but approximately 2/3 of the Electoral votes made for a locked and sealed victory.7. The Media, the media, the media. Very biased coverage such as Obama enjoyed is very hard to overcome in this day and age.SA

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from RJ wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I did not vote for Obama. He is now our president and I hope he can get the economy under control. As to his honeymoon, it will be short lived. There are too many problems out there to test him, and he won't be able to make everyone happy. As this is field and Stream, my main concerns will be my gun rights,taxation of ammo,and fishing access. In the bigger picture I wish someone could talk sense to the man and get him behind nuclear power plants. Besides creating good jobs, oil independence, they are safe. I am hoping John McCain will be pushing this in the senate.

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from Stonebridge wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Obama went after the young, the uninformed, the willfully ignorant, the easily swayed, the shallow, and the nearsighted.For sheer numbers you just can't beat the Stupid vote.

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from Tootsweet wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Obama manipulated society, only those with an average or lower iq fell for it... newsweekhttp://www.newsweek.com/id/167582...

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

….Think DP has it right on what’s about to occur when Obama Admin takes over. I can see the turf battles forming already Obama’s proposed Chief of Staff wants Pelosi’s Speaker of the House job.I believe the honeymoon with Obama will last to summer. The fit will hit when “Hope” and “Change” comes up against the Economy, other pressing domestic issues, and the wars of Islamic Extremism. The disappointment and disillusion will be greater than any time since LBJ years of the 60’s.BTW, GOP has to change. You gotta admit these last eight-years under Bush Admin sucked. The White House was trumped by people and events it shouldn’t have been trumped by if they had been running a first-string team.

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from Thos. B. Fowler wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

This is to Tyler...Thanks for the bravery to ask"The Question'...but know that this is a campfire question, and gun lovers like us, of varied civilian and police backgrounds, have a million opinions, that we hold passionately. And, likely, you will join our numbers, with your favorites. I think you need to ask yourself what purpose you have in mind for the second gun, and how badly you want stopping power. The advice about a .38 wheelgun snubby is probably pretty sound, for most situations. Other considerations are: 1. is it likely that you will have the piece in your car and home too, for a go-to gun? If so, is it big enough to end the fight, right there? Consider the effectiveness of shooting through car doors, or wooden ones, as well 2. Is this purchase likely to be something fun that you could take hunting, as well? 3. Are you a big guy, and can you easily hide a big carry weapon? 4. As has been recommended, go and shoot different pieces, and read up on what they are designed to do. 5. Join the rest of us, and don't limit yourself to one backup-carry-all-purpose-fun gun. Get a couple, and enjoy them, friend. Enjoy them, and take your wife and children shooting, too. As was recommended, a .22 handgun is always a good idea...include one of those, too.Oh...didn't make specific recommendations? Practically, on the snub-nose side, anything S&W or Colt that carries SIX ROUNDS, not five. Six. Count them. Why extend a bad situation when you may need to end it with another round? For more serious stuff, the new concealable .45 1911 clones are great...Jeff Cooper was more right than wrong, more often than not. For fun and home protection, .45's again, in revolver [even single action], and I love the .45 Long Colt, as it will shoot through the little barriers creeps might hide behind. Good on rabid animals too. Good with snake shot, too.Dave will probably pick up on this, as it is a great blog consideration. [Thank you Dave, for your blog, and your erudite musings.]Good shooting, Tyler.Tom Fowler

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from sarg wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

To believe any thing said by a man trying to gain that which he desires is(foolish).. To believe a man with the Anti-gun record he and his counterpart has demonstrated, that he will not interfere with our second admendment,is foolish. We are afoolish people aren't we?. Don't look for any great move yet, wait until we all get comfy, then lookout.

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from KJ wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Gotta echo Silver Arrow: I don't like Obama, and didn't vote for him, but this is America and he is now our President-elect. I will disagree with him more than I will agree, but this is my country and this is the way we do things - democratically. Other countries have violent revolutions. We have elections. France elects only white Roman Catholic men to lead. Canada can't decide which language they are going to speak. We are the envy of the world, whether Bush or McCain or Obama is our president.I hate that mainstream news media are so blatantly biased, and that may be a place where citizens can have a greater impact. We can vote in the perpetual election in the marketplace by spending our dollars on products advertised on more conservative (or balanced) news outlets.In spite of a horribly unpopular sitting president, a faltering economy, and an unpopular war, Obama received only 52% of the popular vote. That is not a mandate. Most of his campaign promises were empty, anyway, and his more radical attempts at governing will be met with resistance - and in two years we can change the balance of power in Congress.America will be fine.

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from sarg wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

It seams Tyler(NC) has answered his own question...

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Silver Arrow,I am impressed by your comment. I really didn't like either candidate but now that it's decided, everyone grab a paddle (and stock up on ammo).

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

the military did not get to vote.

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from Scott in Southern Illinois wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

To quote Slim Pickens in Blazing Saddles: "I am depressed."I'm well on the way to finding the bottom of my whiskey collection.

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from semp wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Yea Nuts!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

“Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no Constitution, no Law, no Court can save it...Where do you stand Citizen?”-Judge Learned Hand (1961)

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from OrangeNeckInNY wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tyler, look up Todd Jarrett's of Blackwater videos on Downrange TV's website http://www.downrange.tv/player.htm and check out the video links. Or you can look him up on Youtube also. He'll show you proper grip. I did and I noticed a huge difference in my groups at 25 yds with my 1911. I doubt you'll have to burn thousands of rounds through it to get proficient, but it is always fun. And expensive.

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from Lowgun wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Sorry Silver Arrow, maybe he'll surprise me.I find it difficult to imagine supporting this President, and I hope I am not pressed to do it before he shows what he's made of. I suppose I'll find a way to support him, but I don't have to silence my disagreement to prove my patriotism. If he wants my respect he will have to show some to me and my rights. You earn respect, often by giving it.Speaking of respect, I am still "clinging" to my guns and religion and I hope I don't have a reason to be bitter in the next few years. Does it sound like he has any respect for gun owners?

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from brian wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Needless to say this whole Obama thing Sucks!

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from jeff wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

To jstreet. I'm one of those 20 something year old men fighting for you right now and I happen to agree with Mr. McPlenty (nice name by the way). I feel the majority of the younger voters are ill informed or simply ignorant. Our education system is in shambles, partly due to the people resposible for teaching your kids. People who cannot withhold their biased opinions in the classroom. Don't worry jstreet, the people fighting for your country are big boys and girls and we can speak for ourselves. A few of us have probably dealt with a little more stress than that provided by Mr. McPlenty.Best reagrds,-Jeff-

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from SilverArrow wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Ok FolksThe election is over and Obama won. Which ever one you supported now is a new time, a time to work together to make America as Great as we always boast that it is!In the indomitable words of John Wayne: "I didn't vote for him but he is My President now and I hope he does a good job!" Spoken in 1960 after John F Kennedy beat Richard Nixon whom The Duke had supported.People, we know that some things aren't going to go our way (understatement of the year I think) but we have an America that we can still all be proud of. Let's make her as Great as we boast!SilverArrow

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

ish,You just brought up another great subject. Ammo. I practice with .38's but I carry the old Highway Patrol round the Rem. .357 125gr SJHP. It does penetrate.Nowadays ammo manufacturers really make some great stuff. Cor-Bon/Speer is one. I haven't tried it yet but they've got stuff specifically for 2 1/2 barrels in .38 or .357

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tyler (NC): you don't need one handgun, you need two. A Smith & Wesson snubby (their hammerless jobs are really nice) in .38 Sp. (some good loads have come out for this lately; http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#standard38 )and if you don't want to shoot yourself in the foot with the .38, another revolver in .22 Long Rifle to learn to shoot with. Handguns are hard to shoot and hard to hit anything with. You will need instruction and hundreds or thousands of rounds before you are even somewhat proficient; that's .22 land. Once you have sight alignment and trigger squeeze (yes, you squeeze a double action trigger on a revolver) covered, you can then go on and fire the .38. Me, I'm still a lousy shot, although I think I can handle room ranges. Hope I never have to find out.

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from ishawooa wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tyler(NC) I can't add much to what has already been said as I also own and shoot some of the pistols and revolvers mentioned. One caviat I will mention is that in the event that an assailant takes your weapon from you he can more easily turn a revolver or pistol on the order of a Glock against you. On the other hand using a compact 1911 requires more training and practice. With that said I would choose a small J-frame Smith loaded with .38 Spl Plus P in whatever configuration you prefer. That's what I did in 1968 and have never regreted it.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Big O,Great choice.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

PS,I did purchase that gun without paperwork. That surprised the hell out of me but the guy wasn't a dealer he just rented a booth. Thats what you have to be carefull about.

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from Big O wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

To Tyler(NC) As for a back-up wheel gun the old man(Sheriff Dep for 12yrs) swore by S/W hammerless Dective spec. stubby, light weight, and nothing to hang up on clothes

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Wulfy,Your correct, don't be intimidated at gun shows, after all they aren't the only game in town. Just be careful. I've made one purchase at a 'show' (Rem 760) and I offered less. Good thing I did, three weeks later I used that savings to repair the gun.I too own S&W 357 (Mod. 60), great gun, lifetime free repair, and concealable. I like it. But I would never stear anyone away from Ruger. Tough as nails and same warranty.

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from Gman wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I think the Whigs are ready for a resurgence, Dr Ralph.

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from Wulffy wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

To Tyler (NC),There is nothing wrong with buying at the gun show, just know what you want and how much you are willing to pay before walking in. One perk from the gun show is that you might get out without paperwork, which considering the election could be a great thing. I don't know the laws of your state and or local jurisdiction, but look into it before carrying while off duty. Being a LEO won't get you out of trouble if some one wants to use you as an example.As far as revolvers go, I love my S&W snubbies. All of mine are in 38 special, but 357 gives you a little more spunk and you can still practice with 38s. At gun shows in my area (Washington State), you can get a S&W snubbie for 350 to 450 depending on model and such.If you want something extra concealable and are willing to risk a little punch, go with the Kel-tec 380 or the new copy of it from Ruger. I love my Kel-tec, and it can be carried anytime anywhere. They sell here for 250 to 300 new, have yet to happen across a used one.Good luck, and don't be afraid of the nervous and twitchy guys. After all Obama did win.

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from Wulffy wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I think Mr. McPlenty is actually Red Blade back for more.

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from matt wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Look for me at the next gun show. I'll be the wirey one with a nervous twitch and look of fear in his eyes. See y'all in the gulag!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

At least Obama has made no promises that he can break. Pretty much he has said nothing... change is all I've heard. So are we pulling out of Iraq, how are we righting the economy, and what about all these people that can't afford the "too big house" that they are on the line for? Gas prices have dropped considerably as the global market adjusts to basically everyone being broke, and I'm afraid Obamessiah's answer will be to tax the living shit out of everything he sees. Dow dropped 500 today. Surprise, surprise, surprise...To be perfectly honest I hope he has some answers but inside I am shaking like the market. His best bet is not to do anything drastic and I think he is smart enough to understand this.Well W I hope you're happy with all your new not-so-citizens as the hispanic vote went 68% Obama. Whites are indeed the new minority and for some reason people of color seem to prefer people of color for that reason alone. I chalk this one up to a president (Bush) who pissed all over the party platform, spent money like a drunken sailor, and in the end ruined the GOP for those with character and pride. Kind of like what the Demo's have done to their party, left thier original constituency with no candidate.Why is everyone so afraid of a third party? The first two have gone to hell and are in dire need of a serious ass kicking. Maybe when the real 21st century depression hits we will grow some balls...

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from Dave Petzal wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

To Travis Smith: It came with three sets of barrels: .300 H&H, .375 H&H, and .458 Winchester, all completely worthless in a double rifle. A double is something you use at very close range when negotiations have completely broken down, and if it were my gun, I would consider either the .470 Nitro Express or the .500 Nitro Express.

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from Tyler (NC) wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

ive been reading and commenting for a while (changed the name recently because there is a tyler from TX) and didnt want to make it all that confusing. I already "own" 2 semi-autos (department issue and gift from father in-law both s&w and love them) and several shot guns and rifles but never bought my own handgun.im shifting to the revolvers because its alot easier to operate (in my opnion) and i can only assume thats what your looking for when getting shot at.not sure if i "need" a c/c permit since LEO are exempt, however being a parole officer im viewed more as a corrections officer (yikes i finally admited it) and now sure what the laws are reguarding that, big debate around the office. I plan on going with my future wife so she gets hers though.

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from Travis Smith wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

David,I know this is from a while back, but that Westley Richards you almost bought with the second mortgage? What caliber was it? And, if you were building your own, what caliber would you have it built in? I have been dying to know. Great blog...

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from jstreet wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

McPlenty, your first name suits you well.Jim

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from coach ike wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

someone should compare the number of voter turnout in this election to voter turnout in the past elections. the news media said that this was a record high. is it because more people of color went out to vote than in the past? if so that is RACIST! you vote for whoever is running because you want to make a difference, you want change. you don't go out and vote simply because of skin color. and the media is largely to blame for that as well. personally i don't care what color he is as long as he gets the job done. and last jackass for the last 8 years has done NOTHING!

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from 007 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tyler,I was leaning toward revolvers as they are simpler to operate, more user friendly to those less experienced and I prefer them. I didn't know you were familiar with autos. Suggest you might look at a Kel-Tec P11 9mm. American made, light, compact, priced right as well. Just a suggestion. Also, not all gun cranks are as rude as Dick McPlenty, sorry for that on behalf of those of us that had some raising. Again, good shooting, welcome aboard. P.S. Be sure to get your c/c permit.

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from Tyler (NC) wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

FYI F&S"Dick Mcplenty "has gone over the line, please do something about this blatent racism and ignorance

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from Tyler (NC) wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

thank you for an answer!now let me ask this, we carry the S&W M&P.40 im kind of thinking about the compact since it will fire the same rounds and it cost as much as a wheel gun. Only problem is its not as much fun to practice with two identical guns.

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from 007 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tyler(NC),Ditto what Jack said. Take a course before buying anything. When I took the concealed carry course many moons ago, I could have taught the technical part (this is the muzzle, this is the magazine, pull this to make it go bang) but anyone buying a handgun should take the philisophical (for lack of a better term) facet of the training, the part that reminds us of the tremendous responsiblity that goes with firearms ownership and the possibility of, Heaven forbid, ever having to use it in self defense. I'm am the last one who would support registration or things like that but am all for training for those less experienced. As to hardware, agreed, go to a reputable dealer and if possible, take along someone experienced that you know you can trust. DO NOT buy junk but you also don't have to buy the most expensive piece in the store either. Your first car wasn't a Ferrarri, was it? Just personal opinion here but think about a Ruger or Charter Arms in .38 Special. Just because Dirty Harry welds that big model 29 like a flyswatter doesn't mean everybody can. Welcome to the family, and good shooting.

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from jack wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tyler(NC) wrote:"sorry i asked for opnions.by the way attitudes like this are why people are afraid to ask"The tenor and content of your original post suggested ignorance about handguns but claimed employment as a LEO. One ought expect some cynicism when conflicting information is presented.My suggestion remains (modified): Get thee to a gun dealer and show them your ID. I'm sure they'd be happy to let you test-fire some revolvers.

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from jstreet wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Well Mr McPlenty I'm sure the young men and women dying for your freedom certainly appreciate that last post.The Republicans lost the election because their main voting base is old, grouchy, white guys, rich, old grouchy white guys and gun owners (many who are old and grouchy, too).Unfortunately for the Republicans, the abovementioned groups are in decline.Jim

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from buckstopper wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

after the results I had a couple belts of VAT69 and loaded up 50 rounds of .223. Anyone want to shoot those with me?

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from Tyler (NC) wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

im not a cop, parole officer and honestly our department does no "ok" back ups but if its between me and a bullet in my ass then im going to carry one.i am certified to carry my duty weapon and know all about semi-autos but i dont know a whole lot about revolvers.sorry i asked for opnions.by the way attitudes like this are why people are afraid to ask

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from Scrap5000 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Dave,Here's something that F&S should promote:Band together and boycott these celebrities--------------------------------------------------------------------------------http://www.bradycenter.org/donate/events/2007/la/Supporters of The Brady Campaign…not another dime of my money will ever go to these people if I can help it…Let’s band together and let them know we are boycotting them! Get the word out…why in the world give these people money and have them turn around and support those who take away our right?!!Anyone volunteer to look up their contact details to send letters and e-mails?!Hollywood stars Will Ferrell, Amy Brenneman, Jeffrey Ross, James Whitmore and Peter Weller all turned out for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence event at the home of Shelley and Frank Litvack on Sunday, November 11The evening honored Joan Hill, Brady Center Board of Trustees and David Hill, Chairman/CEO Fox Sports with the Sarah Brady Visionary Award. John Walsh, Host, America's Most Wanted, and Tim Heyne, President, Union Entertainment Group and President, Ventura County Brady Campaign Chapter were also presented with awards honoring their commitment to a safer America. Los Angeles County Sheriff Leroy D. Baca was presented the James S. Brady Law Enforcement Award.Also participating in the program were Chairman of the Boston Red Sox, Tom Werner, Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton and Peter Read, the father of Mary Read, who was tragically lost in the Virginia Tech massacre. Comedian Jeffrey Ross performed a hilarious routine at the end of the evening.Brady Center President Paul Helmke gave stirring remarks, and Senator Ted Kennedy and Victoria Reggie Kennedy sent a video message of congratulations to their friends, Joan and David Hill. Guests enjoyed cocktails, hors d'ouevres and desserts as they participated in an exciting silent auction. Special thanks to Event Chair Sheila Walker for all of her help with the event and auction.__________________

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from CJ wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

So why is a LEO aka cop needing advice on a backup handgun?Most departments have guidance on this subject with an authorized for carry list and provide more training than the NRA Pistol Course for basic police certification.Something is wrong here....

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from Jon wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Dick, 20 somethings make up a bulk of the military are you saying they shouldnt be able to vote? From the sound of it you are saying so.

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from jack wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tyler(NC)Assuming you are legit and not a troll or plant...Go to a reputable gun dealer with a range and sign up for the NRA basic pistol course. You will likely be offered the use of their inventory in order that you may learn the proper safety, use, feel and maintenance of various handguns.There is no need to be embarassed when walking into a gun dealer's shop and admitting ignorance about handguns. You are a customer and everyone I have met at the local dealer in my area delights in teaching people about firearms, whether for hunting or protection.First time owners / buyers really should not transact business at a gun show. Looking- fine. Buying - nope.

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from Dick Mcplenty wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Obama's win is a prime example of what the media can pull off.I've yet to see a single still photo of his fan fare that wasn't predominantly black overweight female and a mix of white skank trash.There's a good reason why 20 somethings shouldn't vote,we end up with dogshit like this in the white house.

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from Tyler (NC) wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I posted this in mr petzals blog but seems more apt to get a response here.After obamas win I have decieded to go and get a handgun, since there is a gun show in town and im sure that this is the time to go for it. Im thinking a revolver, any suggestions?again I am LEO and paid as such. Thanks!

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from .88Mag wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

GmanGotta agree. I found my wife in Alberta. Great women up there. Guaranteed though, that Ms. Cuthbert cannot hold a candle to my wifes Honey Rye bread and Sweet and Spicy pickles! Oh yeah baby! God bless the farmers daughters!!

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from Michael wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I am so appalled and depressed .... Just amazing how a biased media and personal charisma mixed with voter ignorance, gullibility, and personal pain can affect political outcomes. Luckily, like you say, there is too much else going on for Democrats to concern themselves with much of their agenda for awhile. I think we are about to witness some pretty outlandish abuses of power in the next few years. Would expect no less from a lawyer who think nothing of lying and deceit and (mis)using the law to get his way. Backlash and buyer remorse should kick in before the next round of Congressional and Presidential elections. But then again, the negative effects of liberal changes usually don't rear their ugly heads for a decade or so, just in time for Democrats to blame the problems on a new Republican administration.And, yes, the semi-autos and handguns on my desired list have moved to the front of the to purchase as soon as possible list.

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from Gman wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Last I heard, the Calgary-born Ms. Cuthbert was keeping company with a Flame.Perhaps Gun Nuts who are particularly distressed by the glorious outcome of Tuesday's balloting might want to look into emigrating to Alberta (very conservative culture) and lacing up a pair of Bauers. Where there's Elisha there's more. Just look at the Calgary Sun's SUNshine girl some time.

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from jack wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

January 20, 2013: Obama's last day in office.Until then, gird for battle.

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from nc30-06 wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

AMEN to the last post.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Any state that requires you to have a permit to carry a weapon is in violation of the Second Ammendment. Any form of government interferrence is an infringement and having to register yourself for a permit and submit to fees and photograps is an infringment. Any time limit on such a permit is an infringment. Think about it, the second ammendment is violated daily and with support from the Supreme Court.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

The Brady Bunch alread has a list of wants that has been presented to Pelosi so they can have the laws ready for Jan 21 for BO to sign first thing in the morning. Count on it, the other problems in the world are just a minor incovience compared to what is planned for taking away the second ammendment. Once that is done they can rape the constitution at will.

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from CongoKurt wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

I agree with Mr. Dick McPlenty from 5 November. You are absolutely correct. In 90% of the non-scripted photo shoots of obammy it was nothing but fat white female trash and other assorted creatures without the brains that God gave a goose. Three months before the election I decided to start burying my assorted products in weatherproof and watertight containers in various places around a large body body of water that is fenced off by a certain city. Since the season was just right for the land to be nice and easy to stick a shovel into and when the rains and snow come the dirt will blend right into it's natural state within a month or so. A detailed map was drawn up along with certain marking near the site. I recommend this be done by as many people have the capability to do this (and brains) It is a VERY bad time for our country and not a time to tread lightly. If you have a CCW, CARRY DAMN IT !! There are going to be certain members of congress who are going to 'go with the flow' just to avoid problems or negative feedback in their home state.I also recommend that you stock up on handgun ammunition, especially 9mm and .45 as this will become quite expensive. Also if you have an 'assault weapon' stock up on new production ammunition (not surplus if you can afford it)..Russian Wolf is a good choice as it comes in various calibers.Good luck, and good huunting (when the time comes)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 22 weeks ago

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read“On March 5, 1991 Bonnie Elmasri called a firearms instructor, worried that her husband - who was subject to a restraining order to stay away from her - had been threatening her and her children. When she asked the instructor about getting a handgun, the instructor explained that Wisconsin has a 48-hour waiting period. Ms. Elmasri and her two children were murdered by her husband twenty-four hours later.”-Jeff Dissell, from "More Women and Children Killed By The Brady Bill"“A gun is like a seatbelt; when you need it you need it now!”-bumper sticker“A right delayed is a right denied.”-Martin Luther King, Jr.“... protection of life is NOT a legitimate use for a firearm in this country sir! ... Not! That is expressly ruled out!”-Allan Rock, Canada's Minister of Justice, VCR taping at the Triwood community centre in Calgary, Dec. 1994“With all the political hysteria being whipped up this year about school shootings, more children are killed each year by bee stings -- and far more are killed by airbags mandated by the government.”-Thomas Sowell, NewsMax, 1999-Sep-30“I don't care if you want to hunt. I don't care if you think it's your right. I say: `Sorry, it's 1999. We have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison.'”-Television talk-show host Rosie O'Donnell“Most gun-grabbers want to disarm you because they believe you must share their sickness, which they are sure would drive them to murder or suicide were they armed with a gun.”-Daniel Pouzzner“A bereaved mother whose son was shot and killed nearly two years ago -- and who spoke out against gun violence and memorialized shooting victims at the "Million Mom March" rally in Washington, D.C., last Mother's Day -- was herself convicted of shooting a man she wrongly believed was her son's killer.”-Jon Dougherty of WorldNetDaily, the opening paragraph of a 2001-Feb-5 article“So what is the first thing he would do to decrease violent behavior? Quick answer. `We've got to dismantle the NRA.' And what to do with Charlton Heston? `Shoot him - with a .44-caliber bulldog," he says with a laugh.”-Howard Feinstein, New York Post writer, reporting the views of (racist, rich, peddler of psychopath training films, black, and establishment Liberal) Spike Lee, in "Spike Takes On 'Sam' & The NRA" (New York Post, 1999-May-22 - Feinstein interviewed Lee at the Cannes Film Festival in France; the type of handgun Lee identifies was used in the Son of Sam slayings)“Remember the words of Chairman Mao: `It's always darkest before it's totally black.'.”-John McCain, 1999-Sep-17, on Jay Leno's show, discussing his presidential election prospects“It is, of course, true that if we continue to lose our freedoms, concentration camps on U.S. soil would eventually become a reality.”-Thomas R. Eddlem, in the John Birch Society's New American, 1997-Feb-17, “PATRIOT BEWARE!”“Gap Orders `Everybody In Showers'”-The Onion, 1999-Sep-8“Government is not suggestion nor persuasion, it is force...and force is violence. ...When you advocate any government action, you first must believe that violence is the best answer to the question at hand.”-Laws of the Jungle, by Allen Thornton“Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”-George Washington, presidential farewell address“Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have.”-Barry Goldwater“Spike Lee is obviously more stupid than anyone can be by accident.”-Dick Armey

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 22 weeks ago

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”-Claire Wolfe, 1995-Nov“This country is a one-party country. Half of it is called Republican and half is called Democrat. It doesn't make any difference. All the really good ideas belong to the Libertarians.”-Hugh Downs, 1997 (not really true, but the point is worth hearing)“We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true.”-Robert Wilensky, Digital Library Project, Prof. of Computer Science, University of California“People only see what they are prepared to see.”-Ralph Waldo Emerson“Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.”-Richard Salant, former President of CBS News“Reason obeys itself; and ignorance does whatever is dictated to it.”-Thomas Paine, Rights of Man ("Conclusion")“The mistake Republicans have made over the years is treating Democrats like adults.”-Ann Coulter, 2001-Feb-14, at the 28th Annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Crystal City, Virginia“Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA -- ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.”-Heinrich Himmler“Juden haben waffen! Juden haben waffen!”-“Jews have arms”, the panicked outcry of a retreating German soldier in 1942, cited by Israel Gutman in Resistance: the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, New York: Houghton Mifflin, 1994, “A publication of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum”“As an avid sportsman and as Governor of the State of Louisiana, I have been extremely interested in the recent politically-motivated lawsuits against your industry, especially the ill-advised suit by the mayor of New Orleans. I know I speak for the majority of Louisiana citizens and businessmen when I say that lawsuits such as these are very, very wrong. It is wrong to blame the responsible manufacturer of a legitimate and non-defective product for the criminal use of that product. It is wrong to ignore your industry's success in support of firearms education and accident prevention and to dismiss the role of your industry in providing quality products for hunting, target shooting, self-protection and law enforcement.”-Louisiana Governor M. J. "Mike" Foster, in a letter to the National Shooting Sports Foundation urging them to hold The 2001 Shot Show in New Orleans“If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same [...] They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section [...] they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.”-The US Code, Title 18, §241, "Conspiracy against rights"

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 22 weeks ago

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read“There is no doubt in my mind that millions of lives could have been saved if the [German] people were not brainwashed about gun ownership and had been well armed. ... Gun haters always want to forget the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which is a perfect example of how a ragtag, half-starved group of Jews took 10 handguns and made asses out of the Nazis.”-Theodore Haas, Dachau Survivor

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Gritz, what planet ar you from?I went to public schools when God and Country meant something and the Teacher didn’t put up with any crap with any of the students.In a nut shell, I’m a Neal Boortz Lebertarian that voted Republican, any questions!By the way Gritz, you shouldn’t stereo type people, because obviously you don’t have a clue who you’re dealing with here! The type of people here will go into a burning building to save your sorry ass!

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from Michael wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

"A little revolution now and then is a good thing."Thomas JeffersonThe second amendment is now even more important with the national media so obviously biased and easily bought instead of being objective and the watchdogs for society.The founding fathers included the second amendment (from long experience with the British) so politicians could not take away the other rights.

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from 007 wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Firedog,Could you post the link for the transition site you mentioned earlier? I looked for it and was so deluged with Obamamania that I am now ill and must take therapy in a treestand tomorrow. I agree with most of you in that we should give Obama a chance and not condemn until he gives us a reason, but having said that, I still don't trust him or Biden and think they bear close watching. It was on the news this morning about the plans he already has for executive order actions to reverse some of the Bush policies. Watch out!!

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from The Goat wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

EyeballYou and I would probably make real good friends if we met. Its just alot of people dont realize we did not invite all this suffering and what not that got pushed of on the native americans. I myself love my rite as they stand and do not want a man that openly admits that he wont sport our colors, will not place a hand over his heart for the pledge, has not come forth with his proof of being born in america,says you do not have to like a country to run it, a wife that hates the usa, wants to take away our rites to bear arms. The history we speak of is history, all we can do as americans is to fight for what we stand for. Ita a never ending battle. I do not know anyones nationality but i feel we are all brothers and want the same thing, not to be striped or what we enjoy. Whats next on obamabinladins agenda? Marshal law? Prison for whats on your mind and thaking the 1st and second amendment from us? Its already starting as we speak. Its bed time for me now ,but i wish all my brothers out there to watch out for themselves and have a good one and will be back on tomarrow. May all of our gods smile upon us. nite all

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Individual indian warriors were superior to their white opponents in every way. They had strength, speed, courage, audacity, and stealth on their side. Unfortunately for them, their white enemies had superior organization and technology.For what it is worth, the whites who usually spoke up for the Indians were the Christian missionaries. And the abolition movement (not to mention the Underground Railroad) was Christian as well.Neat to see how PC has affected religious discourse. Time was, if you said Jesus was Savior, you were right or wrong. Now, you are intolerant (what's wrong with MY god?).

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Hey, Goat!I fear Eyeball has something on Native Americans although I must agree whites broke every treaty and agreement…..actually white gov’t did….made. However, I don’t agree Native Americans were helpless sheep and totally moral. If there was an Indian Genghis Khan, whites never would have made it. Something I always keep in mind.I lived in three areas where particular Native Americans had an influence way out of proportion to their numbers…Blackfeet in Montana, Comanche in Texas, and the Iroquois in NY. Since I’m more knowledgeable of the Iroquois of NY:-Reason we don’t speak French is because of the Iroquois.-They were slavers. The Iroquois raided the Ohio Country for slaves, shipped their captives to the West Indies through Ft Oswego on Lake Ontario.-Folks [red or white] got in the Iroquois way, they were wiped out. It was that way for 200-years.-Iroquois sided with the British in the Revolutionary War.They were not nice people, and very sophisticated and organized ass kickers….and after 300-years the Confederacy still is….. As is shown via the Cayuga Land Claims and at St Regis on the Canadian border. …Something I also keep in mind.Guess that’s Karma. :-)

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from MK wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Just out of curiosity how long does the FBI hold info from background checks on gun sales? Didn't Bush sign a law that required them to destroy the records after a short period of time? Something Obama is sure to do away with quickly

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from The Goat wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

To Eyeballfirst of all, the aztecs are way south and obamabinladin gave roughly or is going to give amnesty to about 10 million yes that many condition and job stealing illegal aliens from the south wher your aztecs come from. Like most all my brothers i am NOT haveing ANY PROTEST MAARCH as you call it. I simply like my rites as do you. You can take your statements and stick them where your sun does not shine. I simply was stating a fact. sure we fought, we had to, but we did no sacrificing of anything other than for our way of life and our freedom.And for your chistianity, think real hard and look into YOUR past and see where if you did not believe in chist you where dead. This is in the other countries not mine. There is a spirit alrite and you cannot come and say it is your christ. He may have another name and just because you guys have a bible saying this doesnt matter, fabrication it could be maybe he was native american, whites lye cant tell. Enough of religeion. we as a whole have to do something about this before we lose every rite we have fought so hard for. Thank you Jim in mo. for saying what you did, not much but felt good.David S. I will take your words on do something good with them, and thank you all, not mad atya eyeball, just get facts straight and north and south. We are in for a big fight, lets do it togethet

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Hey Gritz, I'm also a small businessman. I can't, however, decide whether I'm a Liberal or Conservative. I've voted since 1972, but never for a Democrat Presidential Candidate.You say you're for schools. Does it bother you that the dropout rate, in some districts, is 50 per cent, and even some of the graduates are functionally iliterate? Or are you satisfied that most teachers have excellent benefits. I've never yet heard a conservative complain about the school funding. I do hear a lot about performance, however.As a liberal, you must be for the national health insurance that was promised. I guess we should expand that to include cosmetic surgery, dentistry (including implants)) because a persons's self-esteem is part of their overall health. All liberals want mortgage defaults suspended. Should we extend that benefit to auto loans and credit card debt, also? Another thought; should skin color be a consideration when the government guarantees these loans? You also alluded to your civil liberties. In the event that BHO rescinds all of the GWB wiretapping, and we suffer another attack, will you proudly eulogize the victims, as those who died with their civil liberties intact? Even a close relative/loved one?Being a liberal means you have to bite the bullet. I'm not ready.YooperJack

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from Gritz wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

To Clay CooperI appreciate the wit with which you so graciously educated me with in your history lesson. You must have gone to a private religious school because it is much different than the obviously inferior public education that I was handed by our gov. It is also interesting that many conservatives that I know pride themselves on their superior work ethic and brains that they assume they have. Ego often lies to people in such ways. In reality, I am very liberal in my political views. I have never collected any money from the government and I do not believe in anything free. I own my own business. It is probable that I pay 3 to 4 times the taxes that you do and unlike you I do not whine about supporting my local schools, and shelling out a few grand every year to insure that there is someone there to keep the lights on for us. Many conservatives that I know are great people but miss the point that without the government (even with all those high power toys) they would all die very quickly. Pride yourself on all that "wisdom" that you have and keep teaching your gospel but don't expect anyone to believe you. In reality, we can see where it leads. I have lost more rights and freedoms in the last 8 years in the name of homeland security with millions of people protesting every inch of the way than I will lose in the next 4.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Now da whitey gonna get his.

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Hey Everyone:We live in the greatest country ever created! We'll survive this. It could be a rough period, but we do have a constitution that guarantees us inaliable rights.Because of the current economy, BHO will be limited in what he can do. I doubt that he'll have much time to spend on Freedom of Speech (Fairness Doctrine) or Gun Control. Even his fair tax objectives might have to be shelved because of the unemployment issue. Also, because of alternative media, he might have problems getting ultra liberal judges appointed. Much as I liked McCain, he ran a lackluster campaign. The brightest aspect was Sara Palin.BTW, someone was eventually going to discover the Americas. Just imagine the world today, had the Chinese, Japanese or Russians got here first.YooperJack

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from TommyNash wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Thomas Jefferson:The country will need violent revolution every 50 years. We're a bit overdue...

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

The goat;White men wrote a lot of treaties with red, and most of them were broken. But do not have the idea that the Americas or the world were some sort of paradise until the white men came. The Indians put up such a good fight because they practiced on each other before the white men got here. The Aztecs used to cut the hearts out of thousands upon thousands of prisoners of war in the name of their own religion; the Mayas threw them into wells for the same reason, and not a white man in sight. Western civilization, motivated by Christianity, is what has virtually abolished slavery worldwide over the last two hundred years, with not an ACLU lawyer or Democrat in the slaves' corner. If you want to fix what's broke that's great, but leave the protest march slogans on the protest line where they belong.

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from DavidS wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

well, once again the american public never cease to amaze me. they vote for obama, and then RUN to the gun store to get everything they will no longer be able to get once he takes office. where in the hell are their brains! what were you thinking?!?its like putting the devil in charge of handing out angel wings. you just know that no good can come of it. as i see it, obama respects nothing of any value to the american public as a whole. i do not know why he won the election, but he did. so maybe now we should run an ad in the washingto gazzete. "wanted, man with enough stones to be commander in cheif"! obama certainly has no buisness doing it. how can you run the military if you hate everything about guns. can you imagine if some country actually gets the nerve to attack us. obama would be up there telling the generals to throw candy at our attackers, not shoot bullets. well, we USED TO BE the greatest country in the world. now, we are all DOOMED! "ya better strap in, its going to be a hell of a ride!" now, this is it, now, is the time to act. THIS IS A CALL TO DEFEND YOUR ARMS! if you want to preserve your rights, and keep your guns, you had better get off your duffs, and join the NRA . AND, you will NEED to GET INVOLVED, NOT JUST PAY THE DUES, AND PUT A STICKER ON YOUR TRUCK! we all need to get together and fight for a common cause (keeping our rights and our guns). if we, as a whole fail to do this, the gun grabbing liberals will systematicly take away most of what you now enjoy and take for granted. if we fail to mobilize now, it will take many, many terms to regain the ground we now have. we need a HUGE, UNITED FRONT to combat this. and i believe that we need to at least double in size the NRA, and every individule needs to get invovled at our local level somehow. if you work many hours, contribute funds, if you have a few hours a week, donate your time to help the cause.to The Goat, what our forefathers did to you guys was horrid. in my opinion, you had the right way of living. and yes, we came and screwed it all up. you were right, we were wrong. it is that simple. the problem now is, how could it be fixed. you need to come up with a plan to beat us at ur own game. so, find your most intelegent leaders, get to gether and make a plan, then implement it. it is not going to happen overnight, it will probably take years. maybe even generations. but if you are sucsessful, it would be worth the wait. i am serious, DO IT! it would be great to live in a country that was ruled by honor, honesty, and wisdom! instead of lies, deceipt, and theivery.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

The Goat,I kinda thought the same thing and am embarrased I didn't say something. If anyone deserves reparations it should be Am. Indians.

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from The Goat wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

To Elmer SkeltonYou know before the white man, this was a very good country. Using some of your words...you goddamn so called intelligent white skins, come here and infest our country with your deseaaes and your dumb ass ways of running a country.You bring religon and with that comes murdering thousands of inocent men wemen and children, taking our natural resourses and destroying everything that was good because we socalled goddamn indians are ignorant and cannot survive without your dumbass rules. This was a majestic land with pease and harmony. you try to enslave us and when we put up a fight you call us savages, but tell me this, you were the savages. Just think about this, you whites are the reason obamabinladin is pres now.you brought slaves here because you were too damn lazy to do your own work. so dont talk trash about NATIVE AMERICANS. I dont like this dude either, but dont you dare speak about my heritage like that. Lets keep the native americans out of this, we had nothing to do with this. I am sorry for stupping to your level.

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from Skeeter Keith wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Welcome to a world where the Constitution gets trampled by an army of terrorist clones, created in a stem-cell research lab run by homosexual doctors who sterilize their instruments over burning American flags. Where tax-and-spend Democrats take all your hard-earned money and use it to buy electric cars for National Public Radio, and teach evolution to illegal immigrants.

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from Elmer Skelton wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

The people have spoken - and apparently they're tired of freedom. Don't get me wrong, I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed. I thought this country would last longer than 230 years. That's it, folks, America is over. At this point, we might as well just give it back to the goddamn Indians.

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from MMM wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Clay, you made go to the fridge to get a beer after that enlightening, thoughtful, accurate history lesson

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from Ed wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

If the pro-gun establishment is so anti Democrat, how come they REFUSED to publicise the fact that it was the CLINTON-GORE administration, assisted by RUTH BADER GINSBURG that undermined and destroyed an important environmental law,thus exposing the "liberals" as HYPOCRITES? See the court case "Weber V. Pena,1993" case # 93-0712 US District Court for District of Columbia.In it the Clinton Gang implied that the justice who wrote the famous OVERTON PARK decision of the US Supreme Court, 1971, was a senile old idiot who didn't understand what he was writing. The Justice was THURGOOD MARSHALL.

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

I know that I've probably made some bad statments about obama in the past. I'm not a racist, I'm a realist. I look back over the history of black leaders in the U. S. and I cannot get past the outcome of their outspokeness. Martin Luther King, Farakan, Malcom X, Tupac, all assinated. If I was obamas's wife I would be scared shitless, for my husband and my daughters. I really hope that he can do everything good that he has promised, otherwise there will a lot of pissed off people in the U.S. Given the history of this country, In reality I don't see it happening.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Pelosi, Reid, Durban and Barney are indeed going to be the Obama Admin's sources of major problems, not the GOP. Obama's likely been already told to go to hell by those people, they're going to press forward their radical agendas.I give matters 'till summer '09 then it'll be a repeat of the LBJ years of '65 to '68.It ain't gonna be pretty.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

firedog,I too have heard similar statements in person. These people will soon have their eyes opened when they find out 'change' doesn't mean a free ride. Thats when people like Jesse Jackson will resurface and get back in the spotlight stirring up trouble. He will try blackmailing Obama to get his way much as he does large corporations. They give in just to get him to shut up and go away. Obama will have names like Uncle Tom thrown at him. He's not going to have an easy time, I hope he doesn't cave.

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from buckstopper wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Andrew,The man's skin color has nothing to do with my problems with him. I agree the Republican leadership has screwed up. This race was won by Dems before the first ballot was cast. I've heard more hateful and untrue rhetoric from our Democrat leaders publicly toward Bush than anything ever said bad about Obama. The Republicans screwed up because they did not govern as conservitives as they were elected to do. Now we are EXPECTED to give Mr. Obama a grace period from any criticism that Pres. Bush was never given even after this country was attacked by radical Muslim fundamentalist. Nevertheless, I hope and pray Mr. Obama well in his presidency. The country needs some repairs, but socialistic and communistic ideas have always failed. Conservitism when applied always works. If Obama tries too much radical change in the first two years, Congress will turn back over to the Republicans as it did in '94. If Obama is smart he'll lead from the center, but I don't think his radical backers (Soros and Co) or the Dem leaders will allow him. Pelosi, Reid, Durban and the Barney are the most inept group of liberal party hacks that have ever darkened the halls of Congress. The media should hold what they say and do to the fire but they still get a free pass. I believe you won't see any radical gun legislation until after mid term elections or Obama's 2nd(gulp) term. See what has happened to the reasonable gun owners of Austrailia and the UK. "Those who give away their freedoms for security shall have neither"- Ben Franklin

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from firedog wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

I suggest all of you go to the Transition web site of BO and JB. They have already laid out their agenda on firearms and that agenda very plainly says your firearms are gone. To those who say his hands are full of other problems, well the way to do things like banning all firearms is have to something else on peoples minds... like a bad economy? Prepare to become a serf of those who won't work. don't want to and believe that that as long as they have their NFL and beer then that is all that matters. You can go to youtube and watch the big ass women of color talking about how with BO in office she don't have to make her mortage payment or car payment anymore. I am sure you can find some big ass people of various color all saying that. BO pulled a real PT Barnum on America along with the news media and the rich. Both parties have so badly warped the system that I doubt that we can ever recover our freedoms that are now gone. Ron Paul was the answer and people just couldn't accept the responsibility of taking care of themselves.

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from Andrew wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

This white gun owner [pistol, 6 long guns] voted for Obama, and was proud to do so. I've voted for a white person in every election in my life: this is the first time I've ever been accused of voting for someone because of their race.Any change in the ruling party from Republican to Democrat can be laid squarely at the feet of Republican leaders, who spent eight years screwing this country up.As someone at redstate.com put it: We love socialism when it's for the people we like: Iowa ethanol farmers, corporations, etc. We hate it when it's for people we don't like: inner-city minorities, etc.As for guns: President Obama will have a heck of a lot more to worry about that gun legislation.

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from matt wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Just out for curosity, did anyone see Nightline tonight about hording? At least thats ONE way to help the economy...

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Well, Maybe…..Clay,But I don’t see any dramatic modifications to barrel, action, stock, etc to all other parts. I don’t know how the shroud could be installed if the barrel was bent. Crown’s excellent.This particular rifle’s rasion d’etre wasn’t to punch paper, for sure.This ’03 has what I believe is the 1905 battle sights. …Thin front blade. The rear sight is rather complex. The basic flat sights are what I call Partridge Sight front and rear leaf. Using these sights the rifle is eight-inches high at 100-yards. This appears close to what a 400/450-yard zero would be. You’d know more about this than me.However, there must be five other different sights/apertures and a glorified peep of sorts on the rear thing. One side of the “ladder rail” has different markings than the other. There is a windage correction knob that appears to have 11 clicks per side; each click must equal an inch at 100-yards. I’m still trying to figure it out.The barrel is not refinely turned or polish. The engravings near the muzzle are sharp, but I have no idea what they mean or refer. The barrel and the receiver are what I would call “browned” as in the old black powder rifles were “browned”, not blued.The rifling is not cut “Sharp”, there’s rounded edges…to my eyes anyway. I don’t believe this rifle was shot much. The bolt face shows very little wear.Hopes this helps. Think we need an old time infantry boot to tell us something of the old days.

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from Michael wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Every gun owner in America better get their membership in (and any other contributions they can spare) to the NRA. They will be the only defense we will have. After all, we all know the democrats aren't easy, but they can be had. (bought?)

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from Huntin Nutt wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Told you guys Palin was a bad pick for the ticket. She rallied the base but totally turned off independents McCain needed to win.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials.”-George Mason“A covenant not to defend myself from force, by force, is always void. For (as I have shown before) no man can transfer or lay down his right to save himself from death, wounds, and imprisonment, the avoiding whereof is the only end of laying down any right; and therefore the promise of not resisting force, in no covenant transferreth any right, nor is obliging. For though a man may covenant thus, unless I do so, or so, kill me; he cannot covenant thus, unless I do so, or so, I will not resist you when you come to kill me. For man by nature chooseth the lesser evil, which is danger of death in resisting, rather than the greater, which is certain and present death in not resisting. And this is granted to be true by all men, in that they lead criminals to execution, and prison, with armed men, notwithstanding that such criminals have consented to the law by which they are condemned.”-Thomas Hobbes (1588 - 1679), English political philosopher, from Leviathan (1651), Chapter XIV, “Of the First and Second Natural Laws, and of Contracts”“False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm those only who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicide, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. They ought to be designated as laws not preventive but fearful of crimes, produced by the tumultuous impression of a few isolated facts, and not by thoughtful consideration of the inconveniences and advantages of a universal decree.”-Ceasare Beccaria, 18th century criminologist, in On Crimes and Punishments“But I don't want to defend myself.”-reportedly uttered by a Brady Law supporter

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

GritzThe difference between us and you is we have learned from history and don’t want to repeat it. You think with emotion, we do not!“As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.”-Supreme Court Justice William O. DouglasI dedicate this history lesson for you Mr or Mz GritzSubject: Conservatives/LiberalsHumans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadichunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during thesummer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.The two most important events in all of history were the invention ofbeer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:1. Liberals; and2. ConservativesOnce beer was discovered, it required grain and that was thebeginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum canwere invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting aroundwaiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to thebrewery. That's how villages were formed.Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q atnight while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of whatis known as the Conservative movement.Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to liveoff the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doingthe sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women.The rest became known as girlie-men.Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication ofcats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept ofDemocratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest,most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals aresymbolized by the jackass.Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most preferwhite wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but liketheir beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standardliberal fare.Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women havehigher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers,personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and grouptherapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and stillprovide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeocowboys, Polymer Science PhDs, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, Physicists, police officers, corporate executives,athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producersand decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeansare more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberalsremained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . Theycrept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business oftrying to get more for nothing.Here ends today's lesson in world history: It should be noted that aLiberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the abovebefore forwarding it. A Conservative will simply laugh and be soconvinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will beforwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberalsjust to piss them off.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Mark-1The gibberish on the barrel? Has it been turned to remove the parkarised like finished? If so you may be looking at is what is called the “Armory Squid”. About the sight picture, I don’t buy the hold it at the belt buckle at all stories. Of all my life dealing in Military Service Rifle Competition, nothing comes even close. I really think someone either filed the front sight down or the barrel is bent or bad crown???

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Wa M Hunter,I've already swept it under the rug. Can't believe on another blog couple guys supposed to meet for a fight at Bass Pro. I'd love it to end up being a couple eighty year old geezers.I just hope he's smart and moves to the center sorta like Kennedy did.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Now that he is the President-elect, let's stop bashing Obama and see what he really does in office. All politicians will say anything to get elected, whether is is to the left or the right of center.If he turns out to be a real problem, let's work to impeach him or elect his sucessor in four years. Until then, Let's give him a chance. I didn't vote for him, but he is due a chance.I served in the military for 22 years under 6 Presidents and none were perfect. JMHO

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from G.R. wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Wow! So those of us outdoorsmen who like the outcome of the presidential election are somehow flawed ... we'll miss being a part of the "right thinking" mass hyteria (I call it hypocrisy).So we'll ignore the starkly unveiled racism toward President-elect Barack Obama in particular and a lot of others in general. And as for the cute and clever commentaries of "defiant patriots," we'll just forget (soon, I hope) how snide and nasty those comments and those people are.And ultimately, we'll brace against the brainless, lock-step bigots who sound like Brown Shirts in '36.We'll stop listening to the truthlessness of your Hannitized Kool-aid rants and your Limbaughed line of fear-paralyzed thought.I will tell you, though: No one has to worry about a bunch of whining weasels who can ONLY bitch and gripe about America and that's all they're able to do.

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from 007 wrote 5 years 23 weeks ago

Dr. Ralph,Please allow me to finish your statement. The words you are looking for are not a racial slur, but instead are "liberal democrat".

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from Red Blade wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

screw the $$..grow ur own food...let go of the materialism bull..learn to get along and share the fruits. Change has come !

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from Uncle Scruffy wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Obama wants to dissolve all 401K's and roll them into the already-bankrupt Social Security System. They will increase in value by 3% annually BUT any and all profits made from investing that money into stocks will go to the government for "handling" OUR money.It's only the beginning, folks !!!

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Clay,This Springfield ’03 is a shooter. Had it checked out w/gunsmith. The Springfields numbered 800xxx or higher are safe shooters.This gun smith stated, and his statement confirmed of ’03 websites, Springfields as low as 750xxx are double heat treated.I can believe something was done to the front sights of the rifle. Presently, if a trooper holds on the belt buckle, there’s a hit in the chest. If the soldier holds on the chest, there’d be a hit in the head. I recall *somewhere* two old soldiers said/wrote this was how the Krag’s and early Springfield’s sights were designed and adjusted. I can’t recall if this was for the Spanish-American War and/or WW I. However, there must be something to my memory and as to what these old soldiers said. This rifle fits their statements to a “T”.This rifle has four-lands in the barrel. There’s some engraved gibberish on the barrel between the bayonet mounting and the front sight band. The barrel length is slightly less than 24-inches.Many thanks for the info and interest.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Gritz I think if you take any group you will find racists, sexists and just plain weirdo's and nut jobs. It's not hunters it's the human condition.I feel sorry for Obama. He has his hands so full right now it's scary. The Dow dropped another 450 points yesterday after a 500 point drop the day before. The sad thing is he is taking over a country on the brink of economic and social collapse and everyone will blame him if it doesn't immediately improve. I can already hear them saying "see what happens when you elect a ________ "...

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from Gritz wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I am pleased with this blog. I love the gun discussions and the political cries are like a train slowly crashing head on into another train while thousands of babies go up in flames and twisted metal. It is horrific but so stimulating that I just can't look away. I don't spend much time on the internet and I have not found anywhere else where I can read so much mis-information; borderline racist, sexist and blind. Sometimes I get done reading a post and I am excited about getting out in the woods and sometimes I read and look around to make sure no one can see what I am reading and with a little shame I wonder if the generations of hunting tradition that I am a part of is worth being associated with the garbage that is being held up as real discussion. Keep to the facts. I see more movie quotes than legislature and more racism and fear than actual thought. It is this kind of mentality that is slowly moving me from "we hunters" to "those (*&(*&'n hunters."

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

“There is a hot wind blowingIt moves across the oceans and into every portA plague. A black plague.There's danger everywhereAnd you've been sailing.And you're alone on an island now tuning in.Did you think this was the wayYour world would end?Hombres. Sailors. Comrades.There is no pure land now.No safe place.And we stand here on the pierWatching you drown.Love among the sailors.Love among the sailors.There is a hot wind blowing.Plague drifts across the oceans.And if this is the work of an angry GodI want to look into his angry face.There is no pure land now.No safe place.Come with us into the mountains.Hombres. Sailors. Comrades.”-Laurie Anderson, “Love Among the Sailors,” Tightrope, published 1994

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Russia term-limit expansion could bring Putin backby David Nowak - Nov. 7, 2008 12:00 AMAssociated PressMOSCOW - Russia's constitution will be amended by year's end to extend the presidential term to six years, lawmakers promised Thursday, a move that could pave the way for Vladimir Putin's return to the Kremlin.Link to story: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/11/07/20081107russia-preside... Obama ????????Vladimir Putin's return to the Kremlin???????I wonder?????????

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Mark-1Be careful on your loads Mark, I think your rifle has a action that in only single heat treated??? The 03-A3 I have the action is double heat treated. If your rifle is shooting as high as you say, this leads me to think someone has filed the front sight down.The150 grain load you’re shooting is basically the same load I’m shooting, Hornady 150 SST, 53 grains IMR4064 Military Lake City 62 Match brass with a Federal 210 primer at 3080fps out of a 22 inch barrel and talk about a tack driver! By the way using Military brass is about the equivalent of adding 1.5 grains of powder due to its thicker case.How many lands to the bore have, 2 or 4?

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I don't think we need to stock up on guns so much, unless there's one that you really want. I am diffinatly going to stock up on ammo though because when obama gets assinated the democrats of color are going to go on a riot spree like we've never seen. That would be a good way for the taliban/ Iraqie/ Afgans/ ETC. to get even with us is to kill him and make it look like a white did it and let racisim do the rest!

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

so it was anti-american to not support bush; but now what is it to not support obama?

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Hey, Chad!!!Many thanks to yours and for Clay's interest.Writing again: very neat old rifle. To hit a deer with how these old rifle sights, I'll hav-ta aim knee high!!!Waiting for an old gray beard, that used one of these old Springfield '03's.Gotta bend strings. Big shows coming up....and the deer season. ...pheasant season winding down.Really, the birds now have become very smart.

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from Mick Wood wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Regarding the election outcome and firearms: we lost the election because we stopped practicing conservatism after Reagan. Fiscal, social, you name it, we stopped--or rather, the party stopped. That needs to change. Having said that, if the Fairness Doctrine is put back in play, we'll have an even tougher row to hoe.Regarding stocking up on guns: The first things they'll go after are whatevever they decide to label "assault weapons", whether black rifles, Glocks, 1911's, or my old Wnchester Model 74 that holds too many rounds, but is over 70 years old and shoots .22 Shorts. Single shots, bolt actions and revolvers will be for later. Ammo: don't buy at Walmart where you're videotaped; buy somewhere that you can use cash and there's no name on the receipt. Same goes for components. Expect lead ammo bans, 500% taxes on ammo, etc., all the stuff UpChuck Schumer can dream of. Then keep praying.

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from Chad Love wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Mark, my dad has a couple Springfields, an 03-A3 and an older 03 like yours. The 03 someone spent a lot of time and money on turning it into a full-on professionally-done custom gun. It's simply gorgeous and I'm trying to figure out a way to beat him out of it.The 03-A3 was a sporter conversion as well, but it retained the parkerized finish of the 03a3 and the barrel, which had been turned, cut and re-crowned.I had never been particularly interested in old Springfields before, but I guess it's a sign of impending lower-middle age...

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from Bob wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

We may have to let the 2nd Amendment take care of itself for the next few years and concentrate instead on saving the 1st. Democrats are still determined to criminalize "irresponsible" (counterrevolutionary) speech via the Fairness Doctrine.

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from Andrew wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I guess there are idiots out there who think the GOP "rapes the land" On the Outer Banks in NC the federal government under Bush shut down the best fishing point on the east coast, because of some gd bird that was native to New England landed there. If you actually took the time to understand the relationship between executive agencies, congress and the courts you would see no party can act on it's own. There are almost 100 years of environmental protections on the books and most of the battles today are settled in court. Indusrty pays the costs countless suits brought by environmental groups, most of whom are living off the tax payer.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I don't know why anyone is worried about the Second Amendment, after all the Democratic party doesn't have sixty votes in the Senate so as long as the Republicans there are truly dedicated to the Second Amendment, they can filibuster any anti-gun legislation. Or do you know in your hearts that the Republican party was just playing lip service to you all along?There are many liberals who are pro-gun, but you wouldn't know that as the hardcore whackos in the Republican party have been crapping on them for the past thirty years.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

It's not an 03-A3. It's a 1903 made at the Springfield Arsenal in 1918. Everything is original on it down to the complete cleaning kit stuck in the stock.Horrible trigger and lock time, but it's very easy to keep everything within three-inches at 100 yards with my old eyes with these old fashion sights.The stock finish must be spar varnish.My Loads: 150-grain handloads w/53-grains of 4064. w/gov't brass. ...May change to 165-gr bullets.180-grain factory Win Silvertips150-gr u.s. military ballAny info is appreciated on this neat, old battle rifle.

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from jim in nc wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

DP:I think you're right about the anti-gun views of Hillary, Shumer, et al. But--go ahead, call me Pollyanna--I'm just not that scared of them. first, the Democratic majority in congress next year is going to be to the right of where it is today; it includes a large number of pro-gun people from conservative and rural districts who just won't go along with a wholesale attack on our rights. Second, did you hear anything about guns in this year's election? I thought not--the whole issue is radioactive, and even the antigunners are reluctant to bring it up. Obama may be antigun, but he sure isn't a fool. Third, the Supreme Court has recently given us a real boost. I worry more about privatization and wholesale rape of the environment under the GOP so that I won't have anyplace to hunt.

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from Zermoid wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I bought a 1911 and a Ruger 44 mag this year, I'm good for a while, as long as they don't start house to house searches..........Need to get some PVC pipe, glue, and end caps.And grease, lots of grease.....

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from The Goat wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tell me , has anyone heard if this socialist pig obamabinladin has show anyone his birth certificate? and has his wife changed her mind about hatein the USA? and for the coach ike out there, the last guy didnt try to screw with your gun rites and hunting rites. and you must be one of them democratic spys trying to sway us with " oh he is a savyor" type crap. i say impeach the commie bastard & and his side kick and make ron paul pres. His values are rite up everyones alley.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Mark-1What load are you using for your 03-A3?

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

And the price gouging has begun. AR lowers that were $109 last week are now $180. Way to panic everyone.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Off subject, but neat off-subject….Recently acquired a Springfield Armoury 1903, #856xxx (1918 manufacture), all original. I’m getting into hunting with old military rifles. This rifle is in excellent condition and is very accurate and groups well, but it shoots eight-inches high at 100-yards. The sights are original, rear sight mounted on the barrel…..no peep sights per say.I recollect somewhere the old battle rifles were designed with sights to hit high. The troops were trained to sight on the belt buckle. The bullet would hit chest high.Is this indeed correct on my part? Some of you more experience rifle shooters may know more about this rifle than I've been able to find.BTW I haven’t seen metal work on a rifle like this in years. There’s not a mill mark on this rifle.Wish me luck. I'm using this rifle on deer this year.

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from Tyler (NC) wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Thank you all for your opnions and thoughts. looks like im looking for that .38 and then maybe a year or so from now ill try the to jump through the hoops to get another one. Thanks again!

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

JK-They're ALL smarmy and self righteous, but Fox is doing while claiming to be "fair and balanced". They do far more harm to us than good.For instance, check this out:http://crooksandliars.com/2008/07/25/mcclellan-white-house-gave-fox-commentators-talking-points/

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from KJ wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Jeff T. -Fox News is smarmy and self-righteous? Have you watched MSNBC lately? Or CNN? Or ABC/NBC/CBS? Thanks for your steps in how to reform the GOP, but give me a break!

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from Tom Bowers wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

E-Mail me dave

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

F&S: nimbusters looks like a hate site if I've ever seen one...

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from Tootsweet wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago
from Jeff T. wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

It is time to tear down and rebuild the Republican Party. It has strayed far off course from what were it's core ideals and become a haven for the out of touch and self-interested.If this election teaches the party any lesson it is that it needs to adopt more moderate views and attract the center. I doubt many Democrats crossed the line to vote for McCain but a great many Republicans did.Those Republicans who crossed the line were the ones who believe in small government, self-reliance, and personal freedom (i.e. 1st and 2nd Amendment rights). They are also the ones who are SICK and TIRED of hearing about the usual party talking points. If the GOP wants to be relevant in this century it needs to:1. Just shut the hell up about Roe v. Wade. The majority of Americans don't want it reversed.2. Stop trying to mix BS fundie religion with everything from the courts to Congress to our schools. (I'm not voting for anyone who believes that God actually talks to them or that the fossil record can't be more than a few thousand years long.)3. Ignore FOX NEWS! I can't imagine a more smarmy nest of self-righteous, out of touch peckerheads. Well, maybe Al Jazeera.This is coming from someone who has voted Republican all his life (including this election), served 5 years on active duty, and is a Life NRA member.Enough is enough.

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from jack wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Supplemental amateur random thoughts:Obama did not beat McCain - the Economy and Two Wars beat McCain. Under these circumstances, any Republican you can name could not have beaten any Democrat.

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from Beekeeper wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Socialism Doesn't Scare the Millions Who Don't Pay Taxes. There are approximately 47 million Americans who pay no taxes other than sales tax! Another little side note: how many of you caught the CNN sound bite of Obama supporters waving the flag of the former Soviet Union in front of the White House in victory?

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from Paul Wilke wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Not my choice.But he is my president!E-mail every senator and congessman you can, as often as you can expessing your concern over your 2cd amendment rights. Include the need for actions that actually help the outdoor sportsmans needs.You do know how to E-mail don't you?He is the POTUS but WE have the power, only if we exercise it.

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from Steve M wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Despite any objections you may have with them, the NRA is now our last, best hope for the continuation of our hobby and lifestyle. There is no organization more feared by the liberal democrats. Imagine the level of that fear (repect?) if instead of 4 million members there were 8 million. Or 16 million.The magazine alone is worth the price of membership and yearly membership costs no more than a couple of boxes of rifle ammo.This it boys and girls, Our backs are against the wall.JOIN THE NRA NOW!!!!!!

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from SilverArrow wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Some (admittedly amateur) analysis of why Obama is our next President.1. McCain was painted as a Bush Proxy by the Democrats and media and did not do enough to distance himself from GWB.2. McCain never offered a concrete plan to put Americans back to real work in the hardest hit 'rust-belt' regions.2a. Neither did Obama BUT as part of the incumbent party McCain had more of an onus to put such a plan out there.3. For the last 21 months Obama's organization has been out in the neighborhoods, visible, enthusiastic, relentlessly pounding one word into the American vernacular - "Change!"4. At least in my neck of the woods Ron Paul's supporters had more enthusiasm than McCain's Team.5. McCain did not convince those Americans in the Center that he was the better choice for them; choosing Palin (whether you like or dislike her) as his running mate to woo the conservative vote was simply a mistake - he was already going to get the conservative vote, he needed a moderate running mate!6. The Obama team went after Electoral votes better than McCain did. 52% of the popular vote is no mandate but approximately 2/3 of the Electoral votes made for a locked and sealed victory.7. The Media, the media, the media. Very biased coverage such as Obama enjoyed is very hard to overcome in this day and age.SA

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from RJ wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I did not vote for Obama. He is now our president and I hope he can get the economy under control. As to his honeymoon, it will be short lived. There are too many problems out there to test him, and he won't be able to make everyone happy. As this is field and Stream, my main concerns will be my gun rights,taxation of ammo,and fishing access. In the bigger picture I wish someone could talk sense to the man and get him behind nuclear power plants. Besides creating good jobs, oil independence, they are safe. I am hoping John McCain will be pushing this in the senate.

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from Stonebridge wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Obama went after the young, the uninformed, the willfully ignorant, the easily swayed, the shallow, and the nearsighted.For sheer numbers you just can't beat the Stupid vote.

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from Tootsweet wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Obama manipulated society, only those with an average or lower iq fell for it... newsweekhttp://www.newsweek.com/id/167582...

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

….Think DP has it right on what’s about to occur when Obama Admin takes over. I can see the turf battles forming already Obama’s proposed Chief of Staff wants Pelosi’s Speaker of the House job.I believe the honeymoon with Obama will last to summer. The fit will hit when “Hope” and “Change” comes up against the Economy, other pressing domestic issues, and the wars of Islamic Extremism. The disappointment and disillusion will be greater than any time since LBJ years of the 60’s.BTW, GOP has to change. You gotta admit these last eight-years under Bush Admin sucked. The White House was trumped by people and events it shouldn’t have been trumped by if they had been running a first-string team.

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from Thos. B. Fowler wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

This is to Tyler...Thanks for the bravery to ask"The Question'...but know that this is a campfire question, and gun lovers like us, of varied civilian and police backgrounds, have a million opinions, that we hold passionately. And, likely, you will join our numbers, with your favorites. I think you need to ask yourself what purpose you have in mind for the second gun, and how badly you want stopping power. The advice about a .38 wheelgun snubby is probably pretty sound, for most situations. Other considerations are: 1. is it likely that you will have the piece in your car and home too, for a go-to gun? If so, is it big enough to end the fight, right there? Consider the effectiveness of shooting through car doors, or wooden ones, as well 2. Is this purchase likely to be something fun that you could take hunting, as well? 3. Are you a big guy, and can you easily hide a big carry weapon? 4. As has been recommended, go and shoot different pieces, and read up on what they are designed to do. 5. Join the rest of us, and don't limit yourself to one backup-carry-all-purpose-fun gun. Get a couple, and enjoy them, friend. Enjoy them, and take your wife and children shooting, too. As was recommended, a .22 handgun is always a good idea...include one of those, too.Oh...didn't make specific recommendations? Practically, on the snub-nose side, anything S&W or Colt that carries SIX ROUNDS, not five. Six. Count them. Why extend a bad situation when you may need to end it with another round? For more serious stuff, the new concealable .45 1911 clones are great...Jeff Cooper was more right than wrong, more often than not. For fun and home protection, .45's again, in revolver [even single action], and I love the .45 Long Colt, as it will shoot through the little barriers creeps might hide behind. Good on rabid animals too. Good with snake shot, too.Dave will probably pick up on this, as it is a great blog consideration. [Thank you Dave, for your blog, and your erudite musings.]Good shooting, Tyler.Tom Fowler

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from sarg wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

To believe any thing said by a man trying to gain that which he desires is(foolish).. To believe a man with the Anti-gun record he and his counterpart has demonstrated, that he will not interfere with our second admendment,is foolish. We are afoolish people aren't we?. Don't look for any great move yet, wait until we all get comfy, then lookout.

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from KJ wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Gotta echo Silver Arrow: I don't like Obama, and didn't vote for him, but this is America and he is now our President-elect. I will disagree with him more than I will agree, but this is my country and this is the way we do things - democratically. Other countries have violent revolutions. We have elections. France elects only white Roman Catholic men to lead. Canada can't decide which language they are going to speak. We are the envy of the world, whether Bush or McCain or Obama is our president.I hate that mainstream news media are so blatantly biased, and that may be a place where citizens can have a greater impact. We can vote in the perpetual election in the marketplace by spending our dollars on products advertised on more conservative (or balanced) news outlets.In spite of a horribly unpopular sitting president, a faltering economy, and an unpopular war, Obama received only 52% of the popular vote. That is not a mandate. Most of his campaign promises were empty, anyway, and his more radical attempts at governing will be met with resistance - and in two years we can change the balance of power in Congress.America will be fine.

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from sarg wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

It seams Tyler(NC) has answered his own question...

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Silver Arrow,I am impressed by your comment. I really didn't like either candidate but now that it's decided, everyone grab a paddle (and stock up on ammo).

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

the military did not get to vote.

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from Scott in Southern Illinois wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

To quote Slim Pickens in Blazing Saddles: "I am depressed."I'm well on the way to finding the bottom of my whiskey collection.

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from semp wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Yea Nuts!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

“Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no Constitution, no Law, no Court can save it...Where do you stand Citizen?”-Judge Learned Hand (1961)

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from OrangeNeckInNY wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tyler, look up Todd Jarrett's of Blackwater videos on Downrange TV's website http://www.downrange.tv/player.htm and check out the video links. Or you can look him up on Youtube also. He'll show you proper grip. I did and I noticed a huge difference in my groups at 25 yds with my 1911. I doubt you'll have to burn thousands of rounds through it to get proficient, but it is always fun. And expensive.

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from Lowgun wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Sorry Silver Arrow, maybe he'll surprise me.I find it difficult to imagine supporting this President, and I hope I am not pressed to do it before he shows what he's made of. I suppose I'll find a way to support him, but I don't have to silence my disagreement to prove my patriotism. If he wants my respect he will have to show some to me and my rights. You earn respect, often by giving it.Speaking of respect, I am still "clinging" to my guns and religion and I hope I don't have a reason to be bitter in the next few years. Does it sound like he has any respect for gun owners?

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from brian wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Needless to say this whole Obama thing Sucks!

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from jeff wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

To jstreet. I'm one of those 20 something year old men fighting for you right now and I happen to agree with Mr. McPlenty (nice name by the way). I feel the majority of the younger voters are ill informed or simply ignorant. Our education system is in shambles, partly due to the people resposible for teaching your kids. People who cannot withhold their biased opinions in the classroom. Don't worry jstreet, the people fighting for your country are big boys and girls and we can speak for ourselves. A few of us have probably dealt with a little more stress than that provided by Mr. McPlenty.Best reagrds,-Jeff-

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from SilverArrow wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Ok FolksThe election is over and Obama won. Which ever one you supported now is a new time, a time to work together to make America as Great as we always boast that it is!In the indomitable words of John Wayne: "I didn't vote for him but he is My President now and I hope he does a good job!" Spoken in 1960 after John F Kennedy beat Richard Nixon whom The Duke had supported.People, we know that some things aren't going to go our way (understatement of the year I think) but we have an America that we can still all be proud of. Let's make her as Great as we boast!SilverArrow

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

ish,You just brought up another great subject. Ammo. I practice with .38's but I carry the old Highway Patrol round the Rem. .357 125gr SJHP. It does penetrate.Nowadays ammo manufacturers really make some great stuff. Cor-Bon/Speer is one. I haven't tried it yet but they've got stuff specifically for 2 1/2 barrels in .38 or .357

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tyler (NC): you don't need one handgun, you need two. A Smith & Wesson snubby (their hammerless jobs are really nice) in .38 Sp. (some good loads have come out for this lately; http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#standard38 )and if you don't want to shoot yourself in the foot with the .38, another revolver in .22 Long Rifle to learn to shoot with. Handguns are hard to shoot and hard to hit anything with. You will need instruction and hundreds or thousands of rounds before you are even somewhat proficient; that's .22 land. Once you have sight alignment and trigger squeeze (yes, you squeeze a double action trigger on a revolver) covered, you can then go on and fire the .38. Me, I'm still a lousy shot, although I think I can handle room ranges. Hope I never have to find out.

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from ishawooa wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tyler(NC) I can't add much to what has already been said as I also own and shoot some of the pistols and revolvers mentioned. One caviat I will mention is that in the event that an assailant takes your weapon from you he can more easily turn a revolver or pistol on the order of a Glock against you. On the other hand using a compact 1911 requires more training and practice. With that said I would choose a small J-frame Smith loaded with .38 Spl Plus P in whatever configuration you prefer. That's what I did in 1968 and have never regreted it.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Big O,Great choice.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

PS,I did purchase that gun without paperwork. That surprised the hell out of me but the guy wasn't a dealer he just rented a booth. Thats what you have to be carefull about.

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from Big O wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

To Tyler(NC) As for a back-up wheel gun the old man(Sheriff Dep for 12yrs) swore by S/W hammerless Dective spec. stubby, light weight, and nothing to hang up on clothes

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Wulfy,Your correct, don't be intimidated at gun shows, after all they aren't the only game in town. Just be careful. I've made one purchase at a 'show' (Rem 760) and I offered less. Good thing I did, three weeks later I used that savings to repair the gun.I too own S&W 357 (Mod. 60), great gun, lifetime free repair, and concealable. I like it. But I would never stear anyone away from Ruger. Tough as nails and same warranty.

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from Gman wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I think the Whigs are ready for a resurgence, Dr Ralph.

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from Wulffy wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

To Tyler (NC),There is nothing wrong with buying at the gun show, just know what you want and how much you are willing to pay before walking in. One perk from the gun show is that you might get out without paperwork, which considering the election could be a great thing. I don't know the laws of your state and or local jurisdiction, but look into it before carrying while off duty. Being a LEO won't get you out of trouble if some one wants to use you as an example.As far as revolvers go, I love my S&W snubbies. All of mine are in 38 special, but 357 gives you a little more spunk and you can still practice with 38s. At gun shows in my area (Washington State), you can get a S&W snubbie for 350 to 450 depending on model and such.If you want something extra concealable and are willing to risk a little punch, go with the Kel-tec 380 or the new copy of it from Ruger. I love my Kel-tec, and it can be carried anytime anywhere. They sell here for 250 to 300 new, have yet to happen across a used one.Good luck, and don't be afraid of the nervous and twitchy guys. After all Obama did win.

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from Wulffy wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I think Mr. McPlenty is actually Red Blade back for more.

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from matt wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Look for me at the next gun show. I'll be the wirey one with a nervous twitch and look of fear in his eyes. See y'all in the gulag!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

At least Obama has made no promises that he can break. Pretty much he has said nothing... change is all I've heard. So are we pulling out of Iraq, how are we righting the economy, and what about all these people that can't afford the "too big house" that they are on the line for? Gas prices have dropped considerably as the global market adjusts to basically everyone being broke, and I'm afraid Obamessiah's answer will be to tax the living shit out of everything he sees. Dow dropped 500 today. Surprise, surprise, surprise...To be perfectly honest I hope he has some answers but inside I am shaking like the market. His best bet is not to do anything drastic and I think he is smart enough to understand this.Well W I hope you're happy with all your new not-so-citizens as the hispanic vote went 68% Obama. Whites are indeed the new minority and for some reason people of color seem to prefer people of color for that reason alone. I chalk this one up to a president (Bush) who pissed all over the party platform, spent money like a drunken sailor, and in the end ruined the GOP for those with character and pride. Kind of like what the Demo's have done to their party, left thier original constituency with no candidate.Why is everyone so afraid of a third party? The first two have gone to hell and are in dire need of a serious ass kicking. Maybe when the real 21st century depression hits we will grow some balls...

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from Dave Petzal wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

To Travis Smith: It came with three sets of barrels: .300 H&H, .375 H&H, and .458 Winchester, all completely worthless in a double rifle. A double is something you use at very close range when negotiations have completely broken down, and if it were my gun, I would consider either the .470 Nitro Express or the .500 Nitro Express.

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from Tyler (NC) wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

ive been reading and commenting for a while (changed the name recently because there is a tyler from TX) and didnt want to make it all that confusing. I already "own" 2 semi-autos (department issue and gift from father in-law both s&w and love them) and several shot guns and rifles but never bought my own handgun.im shifting to the revolvers because its alot easier to operate (in my opnion) and i can only assume thats what your looking for when getting shot at.not sure if i "need" a c/c permit since LEO are exempt, however being a parole officer im viewed more as a corrections officer (yikes i finally admited it) and now sure what the laws are reguarding that, big debate around the office. I plan on going with my future wife so she gets hers though.

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from Travis Smith wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

David,I know this is from a while back, but that Westley Richards you almost bought with the second mortgage? What caliber was it? And, if you were building your own, what caliber would you have it built in? I have been dying to know. Great blog...

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from jstreet wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

McPlenty, your first name suits you well.Jim

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from coach ike wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

someone should compare the number of voter turnout in this election to voter turnout in the past elections. the news media said that this was a record high. is it because more people of color went out to vote than in the past? if so that is RACIST! you vote for whoever is running because you want to make a difference, you want change. you don't go out and vote simply because of skin color. and the media is largely to blame for that as well. personally i don't care what color he is as long as he gets the job done. and last jackass for the last 8 years has done NOTHING!

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from 007 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tyler,I was leaning toward revolvers as they are simpler to operate, more user friendly to those less experienced and I prefer them. I didn't know you were familiar with autos. Suggest you might look at a Kel-Tec P11 9mm. American made, light, compact, priced right as well. Just a suggestion. Also, not all gun cranks are as rude as Dick McPlenty, sorry for that on behalf of those of us that had some raising. Again, good shooting, welcome aboard. P.S. Be sure to get your c/c permit.

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from Tyler (NC) wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

FYI F&S"Dick Mcplenty "has gone over the line, please do something about this blatent racism and ignorance

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from Tyler (NC) wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

thank you for an answer!now let me ask this, we carry the S&W M&P.40 im kind of thinking about the compact since it will fire the same rounds and it cost as much as a wheel gun. Only problem is its not as much fun to practice with two identical guns.

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from 007 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tyler(NC),Ditto what Jack said. Take a course before buying anything. When I took the concealed carry course many moons ago, I could have taught the technical part (this is the muzzle, this is the magazine, pull this to make it go bang) but anyone buying a handgun should take the philisophical (for lack of a better term) facet of the training, the part that reminds us of the tremendous responsiblity that goes with firearms ownership and the possibility of, Heaven forbid, ever having to use it in self defense. I'm am the last one who would support registration or things like that but am all for training for those less experienced. As to hardware, agreed, go to a reputable dealer and if possible, take along someone experienced that you know you can trust. DO NOT buy junk but you also don't have to buy the most expensive piece in the store either. Your first car wasn't a Ferrarri, was it? Just personal opinion here but think about a Ruger or Charter Arms in .38 Special. Just because Dirty Harry welds that big model 29 like a flyswatter doesn't mean everybody can. Welcome to the family, and good shooting.

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from jack wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tyler(NC) wrote:"sorry i asked for opnions.by the way attitudes like this are why people are afraid to ask"The tenor and content of your original post suggested ignorance about handguns but claimed employment as a LEO. One ought expect some cynicism when conflicting information is presented.My suggestion remains (modified): Get thee to a gun dealer and show them your ID. I'm sure they'd be happy to let you test-fire some revolvers.

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from jstreet wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Well Mr McPlenty I'm sure the young men and women dying for your freedom certainly appreciate that last post.The Republicans lost the election because their main voting base is old, grouchy, white guys, rich, old grouchy white guys and gun owners (many who are old and grouchy, too).Unfortunately for the Republicans, the abovementioned groups are in decline.Jim

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from buckstopper wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

after the results I had a couple belts of VAT69 and loaded up 50 rounds of .223. Anyone want to shoot those with me?

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from Tyler (NC) wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

im not a cop, parole officer and honestly our department does no "ok" back ups but if its between me and a bullet in my ass then im going to carry one.i am certified to carry my duty weapon and know all about semi-autos but i dont know a whole lot about revolvers.sorry i asked for opnions.by the way attitudes like this are why people are afraid to ask

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from Scrap5000 wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Dave,Here's something that F&S should promote:Band together and boycott these celebrities--------------------------------------------------------------------------------http://www.bradycenter.org/donate/events/2007/la/Supporters of The Brady Campaign…not another dime of my money will ever go to these people if I can help it…Let’s band together and let them know we are boycotting them! Get the word out…why in the world give these people money and have them turn around and support those who take away our right?!!Anyone volunteer to look up their contact details to send letters and e-mails?!Hollywood stars Will Ferrell, Amy Brenneman, Jeffrey Ross, James Whitmore and Peter Weller all turned out for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence event at the home of Shelley and Frank Litvack on Sunday, November 11The evening honored Joan Hill, Brady Center Board of Trustees and David Hill, Chairman/CEO Fox Sports with the Sarah Brady Visionary Award. John Walsh, Host, America's Most Wanted, and Tim Heyne, President, Union Entertainment Group and President, Ventura County Brady Campaign Chapter were also presented with awards honoring their commitment to a safer America. Los Angeles County Sheriff Leroy D. Baca was presented the James S. Brady Law Enforcement Award.Also participating in the program were Chairman of the Boston Red Sox, Tom Werner, Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton and Peter Read, the father of Mary Read, who was tragically lost in the Virginia Tech massacre. Comedian Jeffrey Ross performed a hilarious routine at the end of the evening.Brady Center President Paul Helmke gave stirring remarks, and Senator Ted Kennedy and Victoria Reggie Kennedy sent a video message of congratulations to their friends, Joan and David Hill. Guests enjoyed cocktails, hors d'ouevres and desserts as they participated in an exciting silent auction. Special thanks to Event Chair Sheila Walker for all of her help with the event and auction.__________________

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from CJ wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

So why is a LEO aka cop needing advice on a backup handgun?Most departments have guidance on this subject with an authorized for carry list and provide more training than the NRA Pistol Course for basic police certification.Something is wrong here....

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from Jon wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Dick, 20 somethings make up a bulk of the military are you saying they shouldnt be able to vote? From the sound of it you are saying so.

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from jack wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Tyler(NC)Assuming you are legit and not a troll or plant...Go to a reputable gun dealer with a range and sign up for the NRA basic pistol course. You will likely be offered the use of their inventory in order that you may learn the proper safety, use, feel and maintenance of various handguns.There is no need to be embarassed when walking into a gun dealer's shop and admitting ignorance about handguns. You are a customer and everyone I have met at the local dealer in my area delights in teaching people about firearms, whether for hunting or protection.First time owners / buyers really should not transact business at a gun show. Looking- fine. Buying - nope.

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from Dick Mcplenty wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Obama's win is a prime example of what the media can pull off.I've yet to see a single still photo of his fan fare that wasn't predominantly black overweight female and a mix of white skank trash.There's a good reason why 20 somethings shouldn't vote,we end up with dogshit like this in the white house.

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from Tyler (NC) wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I posted this in mr petzals blog but seems more apt to get a response here.After obamas win I have decieded to go and get a handgun, since there is a gun show in town and im sure that this is the time to go for it. Im thinking a revolver, any suggestions?again I am LEO and paid as such. Thanks!

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from .88Mag wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

GmanGotta agree. I found my wife in Alberta. Great women up there. Guaranteed though, that Ms. Cuthbert cannot hold a candle to my wifes Honey Rye bread and Sweet and Spicy pickles! Oh yeah baby! God bless the farmers daughters!!

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from Michael wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

I am so appalled and depressed .... Just amazing how a biased media and personal charisma mixed with voter ignorance, gullibility, and personal pain can affect political outcomes. Luckily, like you say, there is too much else going on for Democrats to concern themselves with much of their agenda for awhile. I think we are about to witness some pretty outlandish abuses of power in the next few years. Would expect no less from a lawyer who think nothing of lying and deceit and (mis)using the law to get his way. Backlash and buyer remorse should kick in before the next round of Congressional and Presidential elections. But then again, the negative effects of liberal changes usually don't rear their ugly heads for a decade or so, just in time for Democrats to blame the problems on a new Republican administration.And, yes, the semi-autos and handguns on my desired list have moved to the front of the to purchase as soon as possible list.

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from Gman wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

Last I heard, the Calgary-born Ms. Cuthbert was keeping company with a Flame.Perhaps Gun Nuts who are particularly distressed by the glorious outcome of Tuesday's balloting might want to look into emigrating to Alberta (very conservative culture) and lacing up a pair of Bauers. Where there's Elisha there's more. Just look at the Calgary Sun's SUNshine girl some time.

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from jack wrote 5 years 24 weeks ago

January 20, 2013: Obama's last day in office.Until then, gird for battle.

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