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November 22, 2007

Thoughts on Thanksgiving

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

I reported to the Army for active duty on November 19, 1963. In those days it was customary for new trainees to spend three days at a reception center where we were given tests and shots, issued our uniforms, and threatened with barbed-wire city if we screwed up. Part of the issue was our dress greens, or Class A uniform, and the Army took a surprising amount of care with these, tailoring them to fit, and then delivering them to our basic training companies where they would catch up with us.

We arrived at November Company, 4th Tng Rgt, Ft. Dix, New Jersey, on November 22, 1963, at just about the time that news of John Kennedy's assassination was beginning to spread. The United States of America, and the U.S. Army, simply shut down for a while. We were left in our barracks to spit-shine boots and polish the lacquer off brass belt buckles. And for some inconceivable reason, during that time, my Class A uniform arrived. No one elses', just mine.

Thanksgiving came, and the Fourth Regiment mess hall served a turkey dinner, but to get in the mess hall, you had to show up in a Class A uniform. No fatigues on Thanksgiving, men. Well, what the hell. I put on my new green suit, went to the mess hall, and ate myself stupid. The rest of November Company ate candy bars at the PX.

And to all of you, I hope that your Class A uniforms, in whatever form, show up in time for this Thanksgiving.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Probably one of the most horrible T'giving's I have ever experienced this past weekend! (11-22-07)Think I was in 7th Grade when news about JFK came across play ground, delivered by Lee B.. Everyone gasping and "ohhhing". At that age, trying to be grown up but still immature enough to listen to the cruel jokes that arose!A milestone in history, delivered on a jr. high playground!Bubba

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Devil_Dog:I'm glad to hear that. You're in my prayers.Just keep safe.Also, I believe that there is a lot of interest over here, especially among this group. As you get time could you drop us a line to let us know how you're doing. I don't think anyone would mind even if DEP's blog is on some totally different subject and I'm sure you know that we don't get much real war news over here. Its pretty slanted.THANKS AGAIN!YooperJack

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from Devil_Dog wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

YooperJack,Thank you for the kind offer, but right now we're all doing well with supplies. At this point in the war there are a lot of Marines who have been there and done that several times already. They helped us make sure we brought what we needed, and had the connections to get us the stuff we couldn't bring or needed later.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Who jerked his chain?

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I guess Mr. Hawke spends too much time at the Optimists Club.

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from Davis Wolfgang Hawke wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

The majority of the stench that surrounds America today is the brains of the average citizen..rotting.The roses you smell is cheap perfume..spread by Elites..smiling as they rape you.Just keep right on voting in scum like the 4-5 front runners..globalists all.Keep right on supporting those that have sold America out..and are spilling American blood in the sand..while barbarians take your daughters and bleed you dry from 'public services' that your elected officials hand them free of charge.Then weep the tears of despair when your country falls.America is coming apart, decomposing, and...the likelihood of her survival as one nation...is improbable -- and impossible if America continues on her current course.

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from Davis Wolfgang Hawke wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

We're not totally free. We're not even as free as the law of the land (that would be the Constitution, regarded by many as merely the National Suggestion) dictates we ought to be. For some perspective, though -- the insistence that we're on the verge of being slaves, that freedom in this country is in jeopardy or already gone, has been with us from the word go. Samuel Adams bitterly opposed the Constitution on the grounds that its adoption would destroy freedom as he defined it. I believe Thomas Paine did, also, though on this point I'm not positive and I'll happily accept valid correction. A certain degree of strong central government is necessary, and will, also of necessity, make impositions on personal freedom. The stance some take -- "I, and not the government, will decide what I will or will not give to the common good" -- was the law of the land during the Revolution and up to the adoption of the Constitution, and was nearly the death of this nation before it had really even come into being. Seems that individuals and states/colonies being left to decide what they will or will not give -- don't.None of which justifies clear violations of the Constitution, or actions by our government which seem to serve little purpose but to attempt to change the rules as to who's actually in charge in this country. Like I said, just some historical perspective on what looks to be an unending debate.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Dr RalphYou are right! I stand corrected.For some reason, 27th was bolded on the calendar I looked at online and I misread the date. Just proves that everything is not always as it appears at first glance!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Actually Thanksgiving was November 28 in 1963 but it was still six days after the assassination. Anonymous is full of beans...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Anonymous posterYou are full of beans.Kennedy was indeed shot on a Friday. I was in the 8th grade and remember it well, in Coach Beard's history class when the news came.So why was I in school on the Friday after Thanksgiving? Beacause it was not the Friday after Thanksgiving!Thanksgiving in 1963 was November 27th. Check your calendar and check your facts!

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from Ralph the Rifleman aka Ralph the Gunguy wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Thanks YooperJack-Actually I prefer grouse hunting on the off season from Big game, and I could get used to more bear hunting in the future.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Mr. PetzalI too spent Thanksgiving 1988 at Ft. Dix, (the sandbox) New Jersey.At that time I was in Charlie Company, 3rd training Brig, 39th Inf. We had just graduated the day before. And shipped us off the day after Thanksgiving. All I can remember is it was the loneliest two days of my life. After graduation they cut us free to be with our family's. Since my family could not make it I wandered the base by my self.I grew up in a large family and always was surrounded my people on Thanksgiving. Yeah I know the Army is your new family now. But when every one cuts and runs I had no where to go and nothing to do after 8 weeks of structured boot camp and 4 weeks of fat camp. (no I was not fat I just did not have all the muscles in the right places.)

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

"Thanksgiving came, and the Fourth Regiment mess hall served a turkey dinner..."Kennedy was shot the Friday after Thanksgiving. And contrary that the Army "simply shut down", the entire military was placed on level 2 alert (level 1 being war).

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from Michael wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

No one fragged you because you were the only one eligible for Thanksgiving dinner?My Class A uniform showed up in time for this Thanksgiving in the form of 14 gobblers that came in to my stand. Not wanting to eat myself stupid (or end up in jail)I only shot two. A .22 Hornet is a wonderful turkey rifle especially with the Hornady 35gr. factory loads. Drops em' like a sack of spuds with little meat damage.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Well just got back from the Vanderbilt Wake Forest game... froze my butt off and then it started sleeting/raining. Should have been in a tree stand, I would have been more comfortable and witnessed less of a slaughter. Time for some more turkey and dressing and chocolate cake and ice cream and Woodford Reserve bourbon... God I love Thanksgiving.

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from KJ wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Thanks for the good words, Dave, and I hope your Thanksgiving was peace-full.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Devil_DogI'm tickled pink that your Thanksgiving was boring. You guys are the reason its boring and you are doing ONE HELLEVA JOB!You're in my prayers every day.Is there anything else that you guys can use or need that your not getting? We did something a couple of years ago when a friend wrote back and said he needed halogen lights. He got them pretty quick.

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from Devil_Dog wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Unfortunately I had to take my platoon outside the wire for Thanksgiving, though we heard the food at Camp Falluja was outstanding. The Army post where we spent the night did have turkey and stuffing, so all was not lost. I can tell you that as of now, the Marines and soldiers operating around Falluja are being fed very well, no one needs to worry. Hell, we can even access the internet to read our favorite blog. Most of us are fighting boredom more than terrorism. Things are especially slow for those of us in the tank community, there isn't much demand for heavy armor right now. Anyhow, everyone have a good holiday season, and good luck with all your hunting.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Trae B."...most women", won't even see that blog. The "women" that do, probably understand the "iron sight thing"I ain't a-skeered!Bubba

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

SFC Gary Smith:I enlisted in the Navy about 1 week after the 1st lottery and very bad number. Discharged in 1972 to pursue college but realistically there was no future in my naval field (Aerographers Mate). While a major objection to the war was the draft, that time serving uncle tranformed me from a boy to a man. I shudder to think what would have happened to me had I never went through that. I watch places like San Francisco kicking recruiters out of their city and wonder how many young lives will be squandered because those kids will never consider, at least trying the military. My son is on a sub right now and its the first responsible decision that he ever made.

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from Trae B. wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Bubba you better watch out about the whole scope thing "(and you should as most women have trouble understanding the iron sight thing)"if a lady hunter reads that you might just get shot.(with iron sights just to prove a point)

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Ralph the Rifleman:Congratulations on your decision! You'll find the area pretty good for deer but it seems to me that area is exceptional for bear and grouse. I've had a lot of friends that actually hunt grouse, woodcock and ducks at one time on the riverbottoms. You might have to change your handle to "Ralph the Gunguy"Hopefully, our paths will cross. That would be especially nice!YooperJack

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from SFC Gary Smith wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Petzal,, I joined the Air Force one year prior to your enlistment, Was very proud of that uniform, was in Montana that Nov. when Kennedy got shot and we also went into lock-down, For two weeks I could not see my wife , She had to send me clean uniforms, (we lived in town). In 1987 I joined the Army, Combat engineer group. Retired in 2003 and my class 'A' unifrm is still hanging in my closet, ready at any time to be worn, and will until I die. I'm proud of this uniform also. All my ribbons in order, Three national defense ribbon and all. Hash marks half way up the sleeve, . . Every young American should at one time or another, wear one of these uniforms, right?.....

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

I've heard that muzzle brakes create so much blast in some calibers that your hearing will be damaged even if you're using ear plugs AND muffs! I would rather absorb the recoil than have my hearing damaged any further. I had problems with a detached retina a few years ago, and I know that shooting heavy recoiling rifles a lot is asking for it. I've got a laminated stock for a Mauser 98, and I plan to have a barreled action dropped in it chambered for either 6.5x55 Swede or 7mm Mauser. That will be my "beanfield" rifle, once it's topped with a suitable scope. By the way, anyone out there have cataract surgery? Mine are getting bad and I wonder if I'll still be able to see well enough to hunt after cataract surgery. I may have to invite Ms. Garrett back into my treestand to be my eyes!

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from Gerald Keller wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Coach Ike,No I was up to go to work by 6:30.Spent all day in a 35degree cold room.I still have an icicle on my nose!Glad to help.For everyone,Unless you plan to handload,I would reccomend the7-08.The 257 Roberts,6.5X55,and 7X57 are all excellent rounds,but finding ammo for them can be a problem in some locals.I shoot all three,but I load for all my rifles so I can get the best bullit available for the game I expect to find.As to recoil,I hate muzzle brakes(Although I'll be happy to install one on a customers gun if they have the money and desire one).My favored method of reduction is to install a "Dead Mule" type device and a Limbsaver or Decelerator pad.Thishas made several dangerous game rifles comfortable to shoot for me and my clients.These include a 375 RUM,416 Taylor,300 Win.Mag'sand my 375 Ruger.

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from Bull wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Midnight,The 257 roberts is nothing short of amazing. Easy to shoot for the significant other and kills 'em absolutely dead. Enjoy your time afield with your spouse!

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Nothing to do today, so I'm entertaining myself with a 'puter!Have shot many different calibers of rifles from .22 LR to .458 Win Mag.. The only rifle I ever had inflict damage on my person was a Ruger M77 in .338 Win Mag. Scope bit me! I'm not really bothered by muzzle blast and do rather well at the bench with no more that the little yellow roll-ups. Which, by the way, an OSHA man explained to me was the ultimate in ear/sound protection! IF, properly applied.Stumbled onto a shooting range once where a gentleman about 5 benches down was absolutely and literally rattling the roof on the covered benches! I couldn't help myself. He was shooting a 7mm Wby Mag he had someone do a muzzle break on. It was a very good job as far as muzzle brakes went, being masterfully applied. I stood behind him as he touched off a round and the blast almost blew my cap off! I was allowed to shoot the (*&^(^ once and after my ears quit ringing and my eyeballs quit jittering around, I ambled slowly, (balance off because of muzzle blast!) back to my bench and began loading my gear. He was testing 50 reloads of various vigor and had only shot about 10. I had had all that party I wanted, Ms. Garrett or not! By the way, recoil was greatly reduced and comfortable!Another point to ponder. Recoil is increased by cold air and cold, damp air!Recoil with game in the sight is also reduced by occupation of thought!I have probably throughly and completely bored everyone to death by now. Thank you very much for your enduring patience!Bubba

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from Bernie Kuntz wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Oops! I think it is Sydney, Australia--not Sidney, as the town in eastern Montana.

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from Bernie Kuntz wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

On 18 Nov. 1970 three of our Marine recon teams were supposed to link up in the Que Son Mountains in Vietnam after a four-day patrol, and be helicoptered back to 1st Bn. headquarters near Danang. Unfortunately, the corpsman from one team fell in a creekbed and broke his leg. So the choppers came out, picked up two teams and flew us back to the Battalion LZ. I stepped off the chopper, it returned for the third team, they hooked up to a spie rig--a jungle-penetrating nylon cable--then the chopper got turned around in the fog and clouds, crashed into a mountain and every Marine in the chopper and hanging on the rig was killed--16 in all, including the Battalian commander, Lt. Col. Leftwich.A week later I was in Sidney, Australia on R & R, and had dinner at some people's house out in the suburbs. Ran into a guy there who was in the Army and had lived in the same dormitory as me at North Dakota State U. a couple years earlier. What were the chances of that?All such a long time ago, and somehow I survived.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Chev JimI go back a bit in the blogs. Try the Silencio Ear Valves. They are easy to use, allow low level sounds to enter the ear but muffle or block loud noises.A watch cap pulled about half-way down the ear keeps my ears comfortable, (not necessarily "warm") and allows me to hear well!It may not work for everyone, but it works pretty good for me.Bubba

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

As far as calibers go for ladies and for youths, I think that some really good bets are the .243 Winchester, 6mm Remington, .260 Remington and 7mm-08 Remington. These will whack a deer and are sufficiently low in recoil to encourage practice and accurate shooting. I believe these calibers should be in rifles with barrels around 22 inches in length. Why? Because of muzzle blast. I see where Hornady is creating the "Ruger Compact Magnums," and while they are laudable concepts, I don't want to shoot rounds out of a 20-inch barrel--at least, I don't THINK I do! Having a handy, quick to shoulder and shoot rifle is important--but one's hearing is even more important. Which reminds me--when you shoot, use both ear plugs and muffs, as the NRA advocates. I'm hoping to use some kind of "electronic muff" or electronic earplugs in the hunting fields in the near future. These would allow me to hear normally and would shut off harmful sound levels from firing my rifle or pistol. Muffs would also help keep my ears warm!

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from coach ike wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

gerald,what were you doing up at 6:11 am today, were you out since 4am finding the best deals on black friday? thank you for the advice.

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from Ken wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

I remember I spent my first three Thanksgivings overseas.The carrier severved some fine chow for the days.That was 1971-1973. My sister also doesn't like the big rifles. I had a Remington 70 in 243 fitted just for her. She nailed a ten pointer this past weekend.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

God Bless America and Happy Thanksgiving to all...

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Thanksgiving has come and gone but we certainly all have much to be thankful for. The men and women who have fought so that we may be free, the good lives that we all seem to be enjoying so much, and the beautiful wonder of the wilderness and woods that so many miss out on are but a few. I spent Thanksgiving morning by sitting my son in a treestand and walking the woods with my Nam buddy trying to scare something up. Steady 15 mph wind so the odds were not in our favor and the deer remained safe. Got home that afternoon and had a meal that couldn'dt be beat

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

I think it was Thanksgiving of 1991--I was in the Mojave Desert at the National Training Center (NTC). Thanksgiving dinner was flown out to us on CH-47 helicopters--and it was good, too! We didn't have our families, but I appreciated that brigade commander who didn't forget his soldiers at this logistics base. I hope the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan had similar commanders--and a similarly decent Thanksgiving. This country simply doesn't appreciate its soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines the way it should. Soldiers returning from Iraq with severe wounds have had to fight an adversarial Veterans Administration for benefits. That should have never been the case!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

My prayers go out to all our military people serving during this holiday season.PLEASE, everyone support our troops!Hey YooperJack, the Lake Gogeebic area is a very nice place to be, indeed! I plan on buying some land soon there, possibly a 160acre parcel around the Bergland area, we shall see? At any rate, I hope to be visiting the area again soon before the spring;Our Michigan UP is truely a gift from GOD-Happy Holidays to all!

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from Greg wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Hope all had a wonderful Thanksgiving! Lets all think of the the young men in uniform GIVING their all. For them I am truly thankful.God bless the U.S. military.

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from retired waycar rider wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Midnight Banjo---my wife is now 72 yrs young--she's been my deer hunting buddy for 35 yrs---she started out with a Remington 600 in 243 and now shoots a Remington model 7 in 260 Rem--guess it works --after last week she has killed 51 mule deer--she even helps with the field dressing----WHAT A WOMAN--- We also have 5 kids who are all doing great--good luck in your future endeavors...

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from lastearlofshaw wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Dave, I've always thought you were a Leatherneck...

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

MidnightBanjoIf you're a hand loader, managed recoil is basically a .30-06 "reduced" load.If she's military, look into the .308 Win. With shots possible to 175 yds, I think I would look more to the 7 Mauser (7X57) or the .257 Roberts. The .30-30 is a nice round but gets a bit shaky out at that range. The 7X57 or the .257 Rbts? Put the + where you want the bullet! If she's really good with a rifle, and keeps her cool when "bucky" steps out, maybe a .243 Win or 6mm Rem.These two will definitly take the steam out of any big ol' hairy buck, but bullet placement (accuracy) becomes much more critical. If you select anything in the .244 caliber, use a bullet weight of at least 100 grains on deer! Anything less has a tendency to blow up without penetrating causing crater type wounds and lost deer!Most of all! Practice, Practice, Practice!!!Bubba

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from Gerald Keller wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Coach Ike,Only you can settle that debate,as every rifle has it's own peculiarities.Some will shoot one hole groups from the start with a clean barrel,some need to get a little dirty before they start to shine.Go to the range with plenty of ammo and your cleaning gear and find out what your rifle likes best,then keep it that way for the hunt.If it likes it a little fouled,leave it that way till the season is over,unless you can shoot it a few times before every trip to the woods.Keep the outside wiped down and don't neglect under the stock,and you'll have a friend for life.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

FlipI lived in Ironwood a couple of years in the 70's. Was just starting the family so I didn't do much hunting and fishing. Now I live in the Central U.P. but travel through the entire. I remember the 4th of July snowstorm.Biggest regrets are that I never fished Lake Gogebic, the streams in the area or hunted deer up there. I remember driving around Watersmeet one time between 10 and 20 MPH on a state highway because of all the deer. I remember that two days later there were six separate Bald Eagles eating the carcasses.I'm really tickled pink at how this group really supports our troops! Everyone mentions praying for them and doing what they can for them. Probably why Thanksgiving is a holiday unique to America. We sure have a lot to be thankful for. Number one is our young men and women in uniform!

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from Brian T wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Dear FlipMy best for Thanksgiving for you and yours. I have no family any more. Keep your head held high for the road truly does go on forever.Keep your eyes on the horizon.

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from coach ike wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

someone please settle a debate that my brother and i have been having for quite sometime. when is a rifle most accurate? when the barrel itself is clean or after having several shots put through it? with that said should the rifle be left in that condition prior to a hunt clean or dirty to a degree? hope everyone had a good holiday!

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

BTW - what's managed recoil mean? Less kick and noise? How's that going to effect accuracy? any thoughts or experiences?

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Thanks to SA too!

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Bubba - thanks for the info! She's ex-army and knows how to shoot without a scope. She got her "Expert Marksman" designation with just about everything they would let her shoot. To this day, I've never really made that little lady mad thank goodness! She as good, if not better, shot with my old .22. Just kills the heck out of tree rats and the like! The gentleman I hunt with said either a 25-06 or a .243. Would you think either would be a good choice, or one better than the other? Where I, soon to be we, hunt - about the longest shot would be inside the 175 yd. marker and heavily wooded. Her dad has a 30-30, and I'm sure she's shot it. It would be nice if there was a place we could go where she could shoot several different ones just to try them on for size. Thank you again Bubba, and hope you've had a great Thanksgiving!

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

MidnightBanjoP.S. - Don't forget muffs or ear plugs!! My wife prefers the Silencio Ear Valves if you can locate them. Believe it or not, the VERY best in hearing protection is the little el cheapo, yellow roll ups. Just make sure she knows how to use them PROPERLY.The Silencio valves allow normal sounds to enter the ear but block the loud sounds.Good luck, hope I helped. Nothing better than spending a fruitful day in the woods with the madame!Bubba

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

MidnightBanjoWe've hashed and rehashed the subject of deer rifles with more managable recoil and noise on these blogs but here goes the Cliff Notes version:.243 Winchester or .25-06 seem odds on favorites with many, Dave Petzal's 6.5 x 55 Swede is lower on bang and recoil, .30-30 Winchester is another good choice for close in shots, .257 Roberts gets a lot of mentions here too.Another way you might go would be to look for some of the 'Managed Recoil' cartridges for your '06 they may also be a bit easier on the ears.Hope this helps!SA

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

MidnightBanjoStart somewhere in the .244 caliber and work yourself up. Stay away from anything that ends in Magnum. Some really neat calibers for women have "mm" at the end of the number, mostly 6's and 7's.Here's a few calibers that might just work:.257 Roberts.243 Winchester7mm X 57 Mauser6mm Remington.30-30 WinchesterMy wife is petit and shoots a .270 Win, but it's in a Ruger No. 1 STD and has been cut to fit with a triple line recoil pad added.Some men don't understand, but watch where the recoil pad touches her breast. One hundred grit sand paper can dish the pad a bit until it is more comfortable to shoot. (for her!)You don't want her toting a boat anchor all day, but you want a rifle with a bit of heft to help absorb recoil. If you scope it, (and you should as most women have trouble understanding the iron sight thing) select a few scope models that you like and allow her to pick from these choices and remember, fixed power, duplex reticle. Try and keep the action simple. Single shots work really well, even the break-overs.Oh yeah, be sure to have her check for her master eye!Wanted to do the military thing as a young man. Fall of 1969 my lottery number was three twenty something. It was my first semester at college and I met lots of guys that had been to "the 'Nam", as they called it. Most suggested that if Uncle Sam didn't ask, DON'T offer. By the time Nam was over, I was already settled into a life style that I really didn't want to change just to experience "military", so, never went. Think I missed a whole lot that would have probably changed me dramatically! And not all for the worse!Happiest of Thanksgiving's to AllBubba

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Thanksgiving 1978 found me on Parris Island SC. Having gone to boot camp a skinny runt I was on double rations all meals, that included Thanksgiving. Two turkey, ham, lobster!!!, and all the trimmings dinners followed by an 'easy' 3 mile route-step. Oh well, I gained 10 pounds in boot camp! Mom had a second Thanksgiving dinner for me when I got home on Boot Leave a couple weeks later.And people wonder what I have against turkey!!!Happy Thanksgiving all!SA

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

I was in Latin class when word of JFK’s shooting got out.I also recall many Thanksgiving’s away from home where I was wondering what-am-I-doing-here…like one Thanksgiving spent mid-USAF Officer Cadet School, and better moments where I was hunting elk in the mountains of Montana prior to dinner.Best Thanksgiving’s were while in college. Thanksgiving was God’s gift. It was the first real meal in weeks and there were left-overs. The big meal and the left-over booty helped a student see finals and the semester’s end.

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Just looking over this blog and the thought happened to cross my mind that my wife wants to go deer hunting with me, but my 30-06 is "just too loud" and kicks like a mule(her words, not mine). Anyone out there have a recomendation for a good make/caliber that isn't "too loud" and won't "kick like a mule"? Thanks, and hope you all remembered to give thanks on thanksgiving!

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

I was kinda thinking along the same lines, Jeff but remember, they had not started training yet so there was no time to 'bond'.

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from Jeff wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Only in the army will one recruit go eat a turkey dinner while the rest of his platoon sits in the brks and eats cady bars!

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from Flip wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Was a senior in High School 11/22/63 and remember it well. What sticks in my mind was they cancelled our basketball game that nite. Was home on 30 days leave Thanksgiving of 69, getting ready to ship out for Nam. Remember my mom crying at the dinner table. Spent two Christmases (sp?) in Nam and lost a cousin in the Marines while I was there. Right now I'm on a suicide watch. 34 out-of-town members of my wife's family are here for Thanksgiving. Thinking seriously about jumping off the roof, but I can't remember which neighbor borrowed the ladder. OK, YooperJack, where are you in the UP? My dad was born and reared in Bessemer, small town just East of Ironwood on US 2. As a kid, spent two weeks every summer there and loved every minute of it. Fished for brook trout on the Black River and even caught a few. Uncle had a summer cabin on Lake Gogebic. Remember it snowed on the 4th of July one year. Damn cold wind coming off Lake Superior. At dinner tonite we'll say a prayer for all the members of our Armed Forces and hope they stay out of harms way till it's time to come home. We should all be thankful for their service to our country. I know I am.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

I was fortunate to be out of basic prior to the holiday but I remember Thanksgiving 1970 as we wre flying like crazy. It seemed like wewere either landing Phantons or launching Intruders the whole day. What was strange was that we little people never found out what the big fuss was all about.Also, the date Nov. 22, 1963 is burned into my brain like no other except for September 11, 2001.In spite of all that HAPPY THANSGIVING!

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Nov 73 I too was at Ft Dix basic for Thanksgiving. We had been in basic for about two months at that time and quite a few guys were having their parents show up for the day so I volunteered (Ya I know!) for KP.I think the tradition of having the Officers serve the Enlisted on Thanksgiving and Christmas is a great one and I hope it continues.

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from DINFOS wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal,I spent a Thanksgiving in Basic Training at Ft. Jackson, SC. Thanks for helping me recall the fun memories, and thanks for your great writing as well. I hope all of our soldiers in uniform have a safe Thanksgiving.

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from PbHead wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Probably one of the most horrible T'giving's I have ever experienced this past weekend! (11-22-07)Think I was in 7th Grade when news about JFK came across play ground, delivered by Lee B.. Everyone gasping and "ohhhing". At that age, trying to be grown up but still immature enough to listen to the cruel jokes that arose!A milestone in history, delivered on a jr. high playground!Bubba

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Devil_Dog:I'm glad to hear that. You're in my prayers.Just keep safe.Also, I believe that there is a lot of interest over here, especially among this group. As you get time could you drop us a line to let us know how you're doing. I don't think anyone would mind even if DEP's blog is on some totally different subject and I'm sure you know that we don't get much real war news over here. Its pretty slanted.THANKS AGAIN!YooperJack

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from Devil_Dog wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

YooperJack,Thank you for the kind offer, but right now we're all doing well with supplies. At this point in the war there are a lot of Marines who have been there and done that several times already. They helped us make sure we brought what we needed, and had the connections to get us the stuff we couldn't bring or needed later.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Who jerked his chain?

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

I guess Mr. Hawke spends too much time at the Optimists Club.

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from Davis Wolfgang Hawke wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

The majority of the stench that surrounds America today is the brains of the average citizen..rotting.The roses you smell is cheap perfume..spread by Elites..smiling as they rape you.Just keep right on voting in scum like the 4-5 front runners..globalists all.Keep right on supporting those that have sold America out..and are spilling American blood in the sand..while barbarians take your daughters and bleed you dry from 'public services' that your elected officials hand them free of charge.Then weep the tears of despair when your country falls.America is coming apart, decomposing, and...the likelihood of her survival as one nation...is improbable -- and impossible if America continues on her current course.

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from Davis Wolfgang Hawke wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

We're not totally free. We're not even as free as the law of the land (that would be the Constitution, regarded by many as merely the National Suggestion) dictates we ought to be. For some perspective, though -- the insistence that we're on the verge of being slaves, that freedom in this country is in jeopardy or already gone, has been with us from the word go. Samuel Adams bitterly opposed the Constitution on the grounds that its adoption would destroy freedom as he defined it. I believe Thomas Paine did, also, though on this point I'm not positive and I'll happily accept valid correction. A certain degree of strong central government is necessary, and will, also of necessity, make impositions on personal freedom. The stance some take -- "I, and not the government, will decide what I will or will not give to the common good" -- was the law of the land during the Revolution and up to the adoption of the Constitution, and was nearly the death of this nation before it had really even come into being. Seems that individuals and states/colonies being left to decide what they will or will not give -- don't.None of which justifies clear violations of the Constitution, or actions by our government which seem to serve little purpose but to attempt to change the rules as to who's actually in charge in this country. Like I said, just some historical perspective on what looks to be an unending debate.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Dr RalphYou are right! I stand corrected.For some reason, 27th was bolded on the calendar I looked at online and I misread the date. Just proves that everything is not always as it appears at first glance!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Actually Thanksgiving was November 28 in 1963 but it was still six days after the assassination. Anonymous is full of beans...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Anonymous posterYou are full of beans.Kennedy was indeed shot on a Friday. I was in the 8th grade and remember it well, in Coach Beard's history class when the news came.So why was I in school on the Friday after Thanksgiving? Beacause it was not the Friday after Thanksgiving!Thanksgiving in 1963 was November 27th. Check your calendar and check your facts!

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from Ralph the Rifleman aka Ralph the Gunguy wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Thanks YooperJack-Actually I prefer grouse hunting on the off season from Big game, and I could get used to more bear hunting in the future.

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Mr. PetzalI too spent Thanksgiving 1988 at Ft. Dix, (the sandbox) New Jersey.At that time I was in Charlie Company, 3rd training Brig, 39th Inf. We had just graduated the day before. And shipped us off the day after Thanksgiving. All I can remember is it was the loneliest two days of my life. After graduation they cut us free to be with our family's. Since my family could not make it I wandered the base by my self.I grew up in a large family and always was surrounded my people on Thanksgiving. Yeah I know the Army is your new family now. But when every one cuts and runs I had no where to go and nothing to do after 8 weeks of structured boot camp and 4 weeks of fat camp. (no I was not fat I just did not have all the muscles in the right places.)

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

"Thanksgiving came, and the Fourth Regiment mess hall served a turkey dinner..."Kennedy was shot the Friday after Thanksgiving. And contrary that the Army "simply shut down", the entire military was placed on level 2 alert (level 1 being war).

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from Michael wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

No one fragged you because you were the only one eligible for Thanksgiving dinner?My Class A uniform showed up in time for this Thanksgiving in the form of 14 gobblers that came in to my stand. Not wanting to eat myself stupid (or end up in jail)I only shot two. A .22 Hornet is a wonderful turkey rifle especially with the Hornady 35gr. factory loads. Drops em' like a sack of spuds with little meat damage.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Well just got back from the Vanderbilt Wake Forest game... froze my butt off and then it started sleeting/raining. Should have been in a tree stand, I would have been more comfortable and witnessed less of a slaughter. Time for some more turkey and dressing and chocolate cake and ice cream and Woodford Reserve bourbon... God I love Thanksgiving.

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from KJ wrote 6 years 20 weeks ago

Thanks for the good words, Dave, and I hope your Thanksgiving was peace-full.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Devil_DogI'm tickled pink that your Thanksgiving was boring. You guys are the reason its boring and you are doing ONE HELLEVA JOB!You're in my prayers every day.Is there anything else that you guys can use or need that your not getting? We did something a couple of years ago when a friend wrote back and said he needed halogen lights. He got them pretty quick.

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from Devil_Dog wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Unfortunately I had to take my platoon outside the wire for Thanksgiving, though we heard the food at Camp Falluja was outstanding. The Army post where we spent the night did have turkey and stuffing, so all was not lost. I can tell you that as of now, the Marines and soldiers operating around Falluja are being fed very well, no one needs to worry. Hell, we can even access the internet to read our favorite blog. Most of us are fighting boredom more than terrorism. Things are especially slow for those of us in the tank community, there isn't much demand for heavy armor right now. Anyhow, everyone have a good holiday season, and good luck with all your hunting.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Trae B."...most women", won't even see that blog. The "women" that do, probably understand the "iron sight thing"I ain't a-skeered!Bubba

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

SFC Gary Smith:I enlisted in the Navy about 1 week after the 1st lottery and very bad number. Discharged in 1972 to pursue college but realistically there was no future in my naval field (Aerographers Mate). While a major objection to the war was the draft, that time serving uncle tranformed me from a boy to a man. I shudder to think what would have happened to me had I never went through that. I watch places like San Francisco kicking recruiters out of their city and wonder how many young lives will be squandered because those kids will never consider, at least trying the military. My son is on a sub right now and its the first responsible decision that he ever made.

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from Trae B. wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Bubba you better watch out about the whole scope thing "(and you should as most women have trouble understanding the iron sight thing)"if a lady hunter reads that you might just get shot.(with iron sights just to prove a point)

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Ralph the Rifleman:Congratulations on your decision! You'll find the area pretty good for deer but it seems to me that area is exceptional for bear and grouse. I've had a lot of friends that actually hunt grouse, woodcock and ducks at one time on the riverbottoms. You might have to change your handle to "Ralph the Gunguy"Hopefully, our paths will cross. That would be especially nice!YooperJack

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from SFC Gary Smith wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Petzal,, I joined the Air Force one year prior to your enlistment, Was very proud of that uniform, was in Montana that Nov. when Kennedy got shot and we also went into lock-down, For two weeks I could not see my wife , She had to send me clean uniforms, (we lived in town). In 1987 I joined the Army, Combat engineer group. Retired in 2003 and my class 'A' unifrm is still hanging in my closet, ready at any time to be worn, and will until I die. I'm proud of this uniform also. All my ribbons in order, Three national defense ribbon and all. Hash marks half way up the sleeve, . . Every young American should at one time or another, wear one of these uniforms, right?.....

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

I've heard that muzzle brakes create so much blast in some calibers that your hearing will be damaged even if you're using ear plugs AND muffs! I would rather absorb the recoil than have my hearing damaged any further. I had problems with a detached retina a few years ago, and I know that shooting heavy recoiling rifles a lot is asking for it. I've got a laminated stock for a Mauser 98, and I plan to have a barreled action dropped in it chambered for either 6.5x55 Swede or 7mm Mauser. That will be my "beanfield" rifle, once it's topped with a suitable scope. By the way, anyone out there have cataract surgery? Mine are getting bad and I wonder if I'll still be able to see well enough to hunt after cataract surgery. I may have to invite Ms. Garrett back into my treestand to be my eyes!

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from Gerald Keller wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Coach Ike,No I was up to go to work by 6:30.Spent all day in a 35degree cold room.I still have an icicle on my nose!Glad to help.For everyone,Unless you plan to handload,I would reccomend the7-08.The 257 Roberts,6.5X55,and 7X57 are all excellent rounds,but finding ammo for them can be a problem in some locals.I shoot all three,but I load for all my rifles so I can get the best bullit available for the game I expect to find.As to recoil,I hate muzzle brakes(Although I'll be happy to install one on a customers gun if they have the money and desire one).My favored method of reduction is to install a "Dead Mule" type device and a Limbsaver or Decelerator pad.Thishas made several dangerous game rifles comfortable to shoot for me and my clients.These include a 375 RUM,416 Taylor,300 Win.Mag'sand my 375 Ruger.

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from Bull wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Midnight,The 257 roberts is nothing short of amazing. Easy to shoot for the significant other and kills 'em absolutely dead. Enjoy your time afield with your spouse!

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Nothing to do today, so I'm entertaining myself with a 'puter!Have shot many different calibers of rifles from .22 LR to .458 Win Mag.. The only rifle I ever had inflict damage on my person was a Ruger M77 in .338 Win Mag. Scope bit me! I'm not really bothered by muzzle blast and do rather well at the bench with no more that the little yellow roll-ups. Which, by the way, an OSHA man explained to me was the ultimate in ear/sound protection! IF, properly applied.Stumbled onto a shooting range once where a gentleman about 5 benches down was absolutely and literally rattling the roof on the covered benches! I couldn't help myself. He was shooting a 7mm Wby Mag he had someone do a muzzle break on. It was a very good job as far as muzzle brakes went, being masterfully applied. I stood behind him as he touched off a round and the blast almost blew my cap off! I was allowed to shoot the (*&^(^ once and after my ears quit ringing and my eyeballs quit jittering around, I ambled slowly, (balance off because of muzzle blast!) back to my bench and began loading my gear. He was testing 50 reloads of various vigor and had only shot about 10. I had had all that party I wanted, Ms. Garrett or not! By the way, recoil was greatly reduced and comfortable!Another point to ponder. Recoil is increased by cold air and cold, damp air!Recoil with game in the sight is also reduced by occupation of thought!I have probably throughly and completely bored everyone to death by now. Thank you very much for your enduring patience!Bubba

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from Bernie Kuntz wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Oops! I think it is Sydney, Australia--not Sidney, as the town in eastern Montana.

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from Bernie Kuntz wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

On 18 Nov. 1970 three of our Marine recon teams were supposed to link up in the Que Son Mountains in Vietnam after a four-day patrol, and be helicoptered back to 1st Bn. headquarters near Danang. Unfortunately, the corpsman from one team fell in a creekbed and broke his leg. So the choppers came out, picked up two teams and flew us back to the Battalion LZ. I stepped off the chopper, it returned for the third team, they hooked up to a spie rig--a jungle-penetrating nylon cable--then the chopper got turned around in the fog and clouds, crashed into a mountain and every Marine in the chopper and hanging on the rig was killed--16 in all, including the Battalian commander, Lt. Col. Leftwich.A week later I was in Sidney, Australia on R & R, and had dinner at some people's house out in the suburbs. Ran into a guy there who was in the Army and had lived in the same dormitory as me at North Dakota State U. a couple years earlier. What were the chances of that?All such a long time ago, and somehow I survived.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Chev JimI go back a bit in the blogs. Try the Silencio Ear Valves. They are easy to use, allow low level sounds to enter the ear but muffle or block loud noises.A watch cap pulled about half-way down the ear keeps my ears comfortable, (not necessarily "warm") and allows me to hear well!It may not work for everyone, but it works pretty good for me.Bubba

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

As far as calibers go for ladies and for youths, I think that some really good bets are the .243 Winchester, 6mm Remington, .260 Remington and 7mm-08 Remington. These will whack a deer and are sufficiently low in recoil to encourage practice and accurate shooting. I believe these calibers should be in rifles with barrels around 22 inches in length. Why? Because of muzzle blast. I see where Hornady is creating the "Ruger Compact Magnums," and while they are laudable concepts, I don't want to shoot rounds out of a 20-inch barrel--at least, I don't THINK I do! Having a handy, quick to shoulder and shoot rifle is important--but one's hearing is even more important. Which reminds me--when you shoot, use both ear plugs and muffs, as the NRA advocates. I'm hoping to use some kind of "electronic muff" or electronic earplugs in the hunting fields in the near future. These would allow me to hear normally and would shut off harmful sound levels from firing my rifle or pistol. Muffs would also help keep my ears warm!

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from coach ike wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

gerald,what were you doing up at 6:11 am today, were you out since 4am finding the best deals on black friday? thank you for the advice.

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from Ken wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

I remember I spent my first three Thanksgivings overseas.The carrier severved some fine chow for the days.That was 1971-1973. My sister also doesn't like the big rifles. I had a Remington 70 in 243 fitted just for her. She nailed a ten pointer this past weekend.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

God Bless America and Happy Thanksgiving to all...

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Thanksgiving has come and gone but we certainly all have much to be thankful for. The men and women who have fought so that we may be free, the good lives that we all seem to be enjoying so much, and the beautiful wonder of the wilderness and woods that so many miss out on are but a few. I spent Thanksgiving morning by sitting my son in a treestand and walking the woods with my Nam buddy trying to scare something up. Steady 15 mph wind so the odds were not in our favor and the deer remained safe. Got home that afternoon and had a meal that couldn'dt be beat

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

I think it was Thanksgiving of 1991--I was in the Mojave Desert at the National Training Center (NTC). Thanksgiving dinner was flown out to us on CH-47 helicopters--and it was good, too! We didn't have our families, but I appreciated that brigade commander who didn't forget his soldiers at this logistics base. I hope the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan had similar commanders--and a similarly decent Thanksgiving. This country simply doesn't appreciate its soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines the way it should. Soldiers returning from Iraq with severe wounds have had to fight an adversarial Veterans Administration for benefits. That should have never been the case!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

My prayers go out to all our military people serving during this holiday season.PLEASE, everyone support our troops!Hey YooperJack, the Lake Gogeebic area is a very nice place to be, indeed! I plan on buying some land soon there, possibly a 160acre parcel around the Bergland area, we shall see? At any rate, I hope to be visiting the area again soon before the spring;Our Michigan UP is truely a gift from GOD-Happy Holidays to all!

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from Greg wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Hope all had a wonderful Thanksgiving! Lets all think of the the young men in uniform GIVING their all. For them I am truly thankful.God bless the U.S. military.

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from retired waycar rider wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Midnight Banjo---my wife is now 72 yrs young--she's been my deer hunting buddy for 35 yrs---she started out with a Remington 600 in 243 and now shoots a Remington model 7 in 260 Rem--guess it works --after last week she has killed 51 mule deer--she even helps with the field dressing----WHAT A WOMAN--- We also have 5 kids who are all doing great--good luck in your future endeavors...

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from lastearlofshaw wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Dave, I've always thought you were a Leatherneck...

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

MidnightBanjoIf you're a hand loader, managed recoil is basically a .30-06 "reduced" load.If she's military, look into the .308 Win. With shots possible to 175 yds, I think I would look more to the 7 Mauser (7X57) or the .257 Roberts. The .30-30 is a nice round but gets a bit shaky out at that range. The 7X57 or the .257 Rbts? Put the + where you want the bullet! If she's really good with a rifle, and keeps her cool when "bucky" steps out, maybe a .243 Win or 6mm Rem.These two will definitly take the steam out of any big ol' hairy buck, but bullet placement (accuracy) becomes much more critical. If you select anything in the .244 caliber, use a bullet weight of at least 100 grains on deer! Anything less has a tendency to blow up without penetrating causing crater type wounds and lost deer!Most of all! Practice, Practice, Practice!!!Bubba

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from Gerald Keller wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Coach Ike,Only you can settle that debate,as every rifle has it's own peculiarities.Some will shoot one hole groups from the start with a clean barrel,some need to get a little dirty before they start to shine.Go to the range with plenty of ammo and your cleaning gear and find out what your rifle likes best,then keep it that way for the hunt.If it likes it a little fouled,leave it that way till the season is over,unless you can shoot it a few times before every trip to the woods.Keep the outside wiped down and don't neglect under the stock,and you'll have a friend for life.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

FlipI lived in Ironwood a couple of years in the 70's. Was just starting the family so I didn't do much hunting and fishing. Now I live in the Central U.P. but travel through the entire. I remember the 4th of July snowstorm.Biggest regrets are that I never fished Lake Gogebic, the streams in the area or hunted deer up there. I remember driving around Watersmeet one time between 10 and 20 MPH on a state highway because of all the deer. I remember that two days later there were six separate Bald Eagles eating the carcasses.I'm really tickled pink at how this group really supports our troops! Everyone mentions praying for them and doing what they can for them. Probably why Thanksgiving is a holiday unique to America. We sure have a lot to be thankful for. Number one is our young men and women in uniform!

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from Brian T wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Dear FlipMy best for Thanksgiving for you and yours. I have no family any more. Keep your head held high for the road truly does go on forever.Keep your eyes on the horizon.

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from coach ike wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

someone please settle a debate that my brother and i have been having for quite sometime. when is a rifle most accurate? when the barrel itself is clean or after having several shots put through it? with that said should the rifle be left in that condition prior to a hunt clean or dirty to a degree? hope everyone had a good holiday!

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

BTW - what's managed recoil mean? Less kick and noise? How's that going to effect accuracy? any thoughts or experiences?

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Thanks to SA too!

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Bubba - thanks for the info! She's ex-army and knows how to shoot without a scope. She got her "Expert Marksman" designation with just about everything they would let her shoot. To this day, I've never really made that little lady mad thank goodness! She as good, if not better, shot with my old .22. Just kills the heck out of tree rats and the like! The gentleman I hunt with said either a 25-06 or a .243. Would you think either would be a good choice, or one better than the other? Where I, soon to be we, hunt - about the longest shot would be inside the 175 yd. marker and heavily wooded. Her dad has a 30-30, and I'm sure she's shot it. It would be nice if there was a place we could go where she could shoot several different ones just to try them on for size. Thank you again Bubba, and hope you've had a great Thanksgiving!

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

MidnightBanjoP.S. - Don't forget muffs or ear plugs!! My wife prefers the Silencio Ear Valves if you can locate them. Believe it or not, the VERY best in hearing protection is the little el cheapo, yellow roll ups. Just make sure she knows how to use them PROPERLY.The Silencio valves allow normal sounds to enter the ear but block the loud sounds.Good luck, hope I helped. Nothing better than spending a fruitful day in the woods with the madame!Bubba

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

MidnightBanjoWe've hashed and rehashed the subject of deer rifles with more managable recoil and noise on these blogs but here goes the Cliff Notes version:.243 Winchester or .25-06 seem odds on favorites with many, Dave Petzal's 6.5 x 55 Swede is lower on bang and recoil, .30-30 Winchester is another good choice for close in shots, .257 Roberts gets a lot of mentions here too.Another way you might go would be to look for some of the 'Managed Recoil' cartridges for your '06 they may also be a bit easier on the ears.Hope this helps!SA

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

MidnightBanjoStart somewhere in the .244 caliber and work yourself up. Stay away from anything that ends in Magnum. Some really neat calibers for women have "mm" at the end of the number, mostly 6's and 7's.Here's a few calibers that might just work:.257 Roberts.243 Winchester7mm X 57 Mauser6mm Remington.30-30 WinchesterMy wife is petit and shoots a .270 Win, but it's in a Ruger No. 1 STD and has been cut to fit with a triple line recoil pad added.Some men don't understand, but watch where the recoil pad touches her breast. One hundred grit sand paper can dish the pad a bit until it is more comfortable to shoot. (for her!)You don't want her toting a boat anchor all day, but you want a rifle with a bit of heft to help absorb recoil. If you scope it, (and you should as most women have trouble understanding the iron sight thing) select a few scope models that you like and allow her to pick from these choices and remember, fixed power, duplex reticle. Try and keep the action simple. Single shots work really well, even the break-overs.Oh yeah, be sure to have her check for her master eye!Wanted to do the military thing as a young man. Fall of 1969 my lottery number was three twenty something. It was my first semester at college and I met lots of guys that had been to "the 'Nam", as they called it. Most suggested that if Uncle Sam didn't ask, DON'T offer. By the time Nam was over, I was already settled into a life style that I really didn't want to change just to experience "military", so, never went. Think I missed a whole lot that would have probably changed me dramatically! And not all for the worse!Happiest of Thanksgiving's to AllBubba

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Thanksgiving 1978 found me on Parris Island SC. Having gone to boot camp a skinny runt I was on double rations all meals, that included Thanksgiving. Two turkey, ham, lobster!!!, and all the trimmings dinners followed by an 'easy' 3 mile route-step. Oh well, I gained 10 pounds in boot camp! Mom had a second Thanksgiving dinner for me when I got home on Boot Leave a couple weeks later.And people wonder what I have against turkey!!!Happy Thanksgiving all!SA

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

I was in Latin class when word of JFK’s shooting got out.I also recall many Thanksgiving’s away from home where I was wondering what-am-I-doing-here…like one Thanksgiving spent mid-USAF Officer Cadet School, and better moments where I was hunting elk in the mountains of Montana prior to dinner.Best Thanksgiving’s were while in college. Thanksgiving was God’s gift. It was the first real meal in weeks and there were left-overs. The big meal and the left-over booty helped a student see finals and the semester’s end.

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Just looking over this blog and the thought happened to cross my mind that my wife wants to go deer hunting with me, but my 30-06 is "just too loud" and kicks like a mule(her words, not mine). Anyone out there have a recomendation for a good make/caliber that isn't "too loud" and won't "kick like a mule"? Thanks, and hope you all remembered to give thanks on thanksgiving!

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

I was kinda thinking along the same lines, Jeff but remember, they had not started training yet so there was no time to 'bond'.

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from Jeff wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Only in the army will one recruit go eat a turkey dinner while the rest of his platoon sits in the brks and eats cady bars!

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from Flip wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Was a senior in High School 11/22/63 and remember it well. What sticks in my mind was they cancelled our basketball game that nite. Was home on 30 days leave Thanksgiving of 69, getting ready to ship out for Nam. Remember my mom crying at the dinner table. Spent two Christmases (sp?) in Nam and lost a cousin in the Marines while I was there. Right now I'm on a suicide watch. 34 out-of-town members of my wife's family are here for Thanksgiving. Thinking seriously about jumping off the roof, but I can't remember which neighbor borrowed the ladder. OK, YooperJack, where are you in the UP? My dad was born and reared in Bessemer, small town just East of Ironwood on US 2. As a kid, spent two weeks every summer there and loved every minute of it. Fished for brook trout on the Black River and even caught a few. Uncle had a summer cabin on Lake Gogebic. Remember it snowed on the 4th of July one year. Damn cold wind coming off Lake Superior. At dinner tonite we'll say a prayer for all the members of our Armed Forces and hope they stay out of harms way till it's time to come home. We should all be thankful for their service to our country. I know I am.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

I was fortunate to be out of basic prior to the holiday but I remember Thanksgiving 1970 as we wre flying like crazy. It seemed like wewere either landing Phantons or launching Intruders the whole day. What was strange was that we little people never found out what the big fuss was all about.Also, the date Nov. 22, 1963 is burned into my brain like no other except for September 11, 2001.In spite of all that HAPPY THANSGIVING!

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Nov 73 I too was at Ft Dix basic for Thanksgiving. We had been in basic for about two months at that time and quite a few guys were having their parents show up for the day so I volunteered (Ya I know!) for KP.I think the tradition of having the Officers serve the Enlisted on Thanksgiving and Christmas is a great one and I hope it continues.

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from DINFOS wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal,I spent a Thanksgiving in Basic Training at Ft. Jackson, SC. Thanks for helping me recall the fun memories, and thanks for your great writing as well. I hope all of our soldiers in uniform have a safe Thanksgiving.

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from PbHead wrote 6 years 21 weeks ago

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

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