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July 28, 2008

Three Peter Barrett Stories

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

One of the people I miss most is Field & Stream's former Executive Editor, Peter Barrett. He was the real deal: a master fly fisherman, expert shot, gun nut, hunter of wide experience, and fine writer. He was a true New England yankee, a man who loved his pipe, and a fellow of few words.

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During World War II, Peter was a transport pilot attached to the Eighth Army Air Force in England. One evening, he was standing on the porch of the Bachelor Officers' Quarters, raving drunk, peeing over the railing for all he was worth. A brigadier general walked up behind him and bellowed,

"LIEUTENANT, JUST WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING?"

Peter did a proper about-face, still peeing, and said, as he hosed down the general, "Going to the bathroom, sir."

He escaped court martial only because the Air Corps was desperate for pilots at the time.

****

When Peter was Executive Editor, I was Managing Editor and, being in my thirties, thought of myself as the full flower of manhood. But Peter called me "kid."

One day I said, "Peter, I ain't no kid."

So he said, "Kid, read this," and pointed to a framed letter hanging above his typewriter. It was his first "buy" letter from Field & Stream, and it was dated eight months before I was born. That was the end of the "kid" problem.

****

Back in the early '80s, network television used to run ads for ginsu knives, Popeil's Pocket Fisherman, Boxcar Willie record albums, and stuff like that. These things ran at 3 in the morning, and the rates were dirt cheap, so whatever genius was in charge of Field & Stream's circulation decided we would film some promotional ads to get people to subscribe.

Peter Barrett was tapped for the part of Uncle Ned, who was showing his "grandson" how to flyfish, and to play the part of the grandson, the ad agency picked some bratty kid actor who hated water, fishing, and Peter, although not in that order.

Peter had brought along a couple of very fine bamboo fly rods, and the kid actor was not treating his with the proper respect. Finally, he simply threw the rod in the stream and stood there glaring at Peter. Peter took in the situation, lit his pipe, took a few puffs, and in his most genial tones said:

"If you do that again, you little ****, I'll drown you."

The kid, sensing that he was in the presence of death, screamed, ran ashore, and that was the end of the commercial.

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from mr. smith wrote 5 years 37 weeks ago

Great story Dave, keep up the good work. I've got a "baby face" and have been called "Kid" all my life. Now that I'm inching up on 50 and finally got some substancial graying in my beard I've noticed that people are starting to listen a little more when I talk. Just a fact of life, great story and all the best...

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 5 years 37 weeks ago

I agree with Jeff. Wisdom is not a natural consequence of age; it's the product of an individual choice and effort to learn from Life's lessons and mistakes over time. We can no more presuppose our elders are wise than they could presuppose younger men and women are callow or inexperienced, so we really should give each other the benefit of the doubt.I was in a supermarket when a gentlemen I know to be a fine human being, a retired Marine SNCO who served in Korea and Viet Nam, asked a question of a sales clerk. Unable to answer, the clerk turned to another store employee nearby and repeated the question. When asked, "Who wants to know?", the inexperienced salesclerk answered, "The old guy with the cane...". I must tell you, I've known that "old guy" for 40+ years, and I took offense on his behalf, but he exercised restraint and, with his customary dignity, ignored the lad. When the transaction was completed, I returned to the store and found the young fellow, took him aside and informed him that the "old guy with the cane" was an extraordinary human being, a hero to his Marines, and a better choice of words would have been "the gentleman with the cane". He nodded perfunctorily, but I got the impression there was a vacuum between his left & right ear.I have witnessed that pathetic lack of social skill too often to be amazed, but that disappoints me. I must assume there's something lacking in training or breeding when I encounter or observe it. It tells me there are few, if any, senior role models that this young person admires or respects, and he or she wouldn't know how to relate to them if there were.

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from Jeff wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

You know, I have great respect for a great many men that are much older than me. My grandfather and godfather are soley responsible for teaching me to hunt and creating my passion for the outdoors. The gentlemen that I shoot skeet with back at Camp Pendleton are mostly retired, and I get along with them with a great bit of respect between us all. The man who taught me to shoot skeet there has a glass eye and is missing a couple fingers. He got hit by an RPG in Viet Nam. All of these men, I respect, but as I demand, they respect me the same. Maybe it's the way I carry myself. Or maybe they address marines differently. I do know this. I have heard many ignorant or sometimes, just dumb things come from many old men's mouths. Age does not make the man. Wisdom, yes, does come with time and experience. But he who thinks he has nothing to learn from any one individual is certainly not wise. He is a fool. So if wisdom is what this thread is all about, maybe we should learn to address people by their actions and contributions to society and community. To me that seems logical. Quote movies, and use an annonymous post to call someone a "punk" if you will gentlemen. But sadly, few of you, hopefully, would have the audacity to treat anyone with any less respect than you would your own mother. If there's one thing in life it seems like many of you have not learned yet, it is that you never know who or what you are dealing with, until you get to know them. Ever.

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from Passafist wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

I'll take being called kid by my elders ANYDAY. I know that there is much to learn if I check my ego, open my ears and shut my mouth.BTW, I'm 43.Kidding me...you've got to be kidding me.

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from BarkeyVA wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Jim in Mo,Looking back, I think I did OK because I was not afraid to get my hands dirty, I cleaned up my own mess and I always tried to give credit where credit was due, regardless of an individual's position. I also did not mind being called "the kid."Having grown up on a farm in central Illinois, it has been a long time since I heard someone described as having "a corn cob up his/her ass." My dad and his friends used that description a lot. Modern farmers "shell" corn instead of "picking" corn, so whole corn cobs are hard to find. I don't know about you, but I had to use a corn cob more than once for personal hygiene while working out in the field, but only if absolutely necessary since they are "rough as a cob"!

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Every individual deserves to be addressed with human respect...at least until he (or she) demonstrates poor attitude or disregard for others, at which point the individual deserves to be avoided or ignored as a life form. For the younger men who interact with those of us who are longer in the tooth and shorter on hair follicles, I remind you not to judge a book by its cover. When we were young(er), we made our bones and more than our share of mistakes. In terms of the human experience, we've often "been there, done that" and it's occasionally difficult to be impressed by those who don't share those volumes of experience. Whether or not you interpret the term "kid" as derogatory, insulting, or a slight that overlooks your experience or intrinsic worth, it often depends on the source. Briefly, consider the source.He could indeed be a salty old fart, a crusty old SOB. Until you demonstrate who YOU really are, be aware he may have seen countless faces like yours and heard much of what you may have already said innumerable times in the past.For those of us who 60+, let us remember to tread lightly (preferably not at all) on the feelings of others. On the other hand, we have earned the right to be candid, so we'll probably call 'em as we see 'em. For those teamed with an individual who has a generation or more of seniority, don't take it as an insult. Lord willing, you'll live long enough to understand the "senior" perspective, and you do well to exercise whatever restraint or discretion you wish when addressing a younger man or woman, based on how you prefer to be address now. Without question, there was a point in life when I took exception to being called "kid", and there followed a time when it was simply a reminder that I still have a lot to learn. Some of the individuals who called me "kid" really had a great deal to teach me, and it took a while before I developed the objectivity to realize that.I agree that if anyone refers to you as "kid", he should have a sufficiently thick skin to take as well as he gives...so perhaps he needs to be asked what life was like when he emerged from the primordial ooze, or how were the acoustics in the cave. Be good to each other.Ed

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

BarkeyVa,Your a smart man, although I may not have handled it as well as you. I worked 37 yrs as hourly and if a salaried person addressed me as such I'd have fell head over heals to get along with them. Friendliness and willing to work together is what its all about. I bet you went a long way.The hourly gal your talking about just had a corn cob up her ass, that and dems. liberal minority hiring practices.

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from Zermoid wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

As a 46 year old who still prefers to NOT be called Mr or Sir (my dad was Mr and Sir, not me) I see nothing wrong with a older man calling me kid, heck, I still like to THINK I'm a "kid", don't you all?The whizzing on the General reminds me of a line from (I think) one of the Duke's movies, "There are two times you don't sneak up behind a man, when he's answering the call of nature and when the hair on the back of his neck is standing on end"

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from BarkeyVA wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Saw a spot on TV about the benefits of exercise on Alzheimer patients. We need to make sure we continue to go hunting or at least walk WalMart or the mall. As senility or worse sets in, we may all need to carry a GPS so we can find our way back to the truck or car.

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from Bubba wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

The reason we're standing around the entry waiting is because they only have 2 electric carts!!BubbaP.S. - See, told ya! CRS!

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from Bubba wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Dr. RalphI have CRS. Can't Remember Stuff*!!!(*)ref. fecal matterOn Saturday morning's, I'll be one of the old men standing around the entry at Wally World with the wife's list pinned to the bib of my overalls!Bubba

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Senility is sinking in. My wife calls it Part-timers but I am rapidly declining toalzheimers. Last post was mine

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from Lo wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

I'm with Scott on this one...lighten up Kidding & Jeff.Dave, wonderful stories, thanks for sharing! Keep 'em coming!

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from BarkeyVA wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Over 40 years ago, just out of college and working my first job as a chemist in industry, I said, "Hi, Kid!" to one of the production workers (a woman, probabably a little older than I). I started to ask her a question about a problem we were having with the product when she said, "Just how old do you think I am? I want you to know I am not a 'Kid'". I got the point, and tried to address anyone in the factory by their first name from then on. I also learned early on that no one knew more about the nuances of production than the hourly workers who were directly involved with the products and processes on a daily basis. I tried very hard to earn their trust, because it became obvious to me that their practical, hands-on knowledge, if they would share it with me, would be invaluable when it came to solving problems or improving the processes.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Being a curmudgeonly old a-hole myself I have a great deal of respect for Lt. Barrett. Sounds like he and I did things our way regardless of the outcome... obviously his outcomes were far superior to mine but the mindset is the same. We could have been best friends or worst enemies, but then again sometimes you can be both. Thanks for the story Dave, too bad there aren't more like him today. The world would be a far better place.Kidding me, you may be 41 but your post reveals more about you than you may wish to expose... punk.

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from VaTxHunter wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Dave,Thank you for the story.

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from DavidS wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

that is the kind of stuff most american children need. someone to show them who is boss. no b.s., just plain in your face, point blank athority. no violence, no screaming, and no kidding. and the kid knew it, right now. great job!

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from semp wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

... kidding me.Yo Twit, next time you approach this forum heel your canoe hard over to port and paddle to Hell.

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from Scott wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

By the way, great thread Dave!

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from Scott wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Young or old...get a sense of humor. Taking one's self so seriously can lead to terminal ego damage. Not to mention no dates, no friends and a dog who likely won't play with you. sheesh!

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from Carney wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Jeff,There are a LOT of bright young men -- but very few wise young men. Wisdom comes with age and experience. There is nothing noble about a young man, no matter how "experienced", missing this truth!Respect ties into old age and grey hair here: Leviticus 19:32 "'Rise in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere your God. I am the LORD.'"I am all for young men distinguishing themselves with valor, intelligence and all forms of gentlemanliness but every successful culture has maintained a respect for the "grey haired" of their society. Respect for those older is a "humanity norm" on par with the laws of gravity. And, if you are wise enough, you'll respond to it like a law of nature. You'll learn to roll with it, appreciate the dynamic of it and find your place in it. Eventually, you too will be called "Sir", simply because you've walked long and hard on the earth.

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from Jeff wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

To RJ. I have to side with the annonymous fellow. Where does respect tie into old age and gray hair? I'm 22, but I guarantee I have seen some things that would make a grown man feel like a child. 22 and two pumps to Iraq. Does my age make me more of a man than one of my civilian counterparts. I don't think so. Gentleman, you shouldn't walk around like your $hi% doesn't stink. There are plenty of young men and women that could teach you all a lot. And just for the record. I don't care who you are, if one of my marines pissed on a Brig. Gen., the General probably wouldn't do much to you, not matter how bad we needed you. He would leave that to the captains and the sergeants major. So, again, kudos to the annonymous man above.

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from RJ Arena wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

To"you've got to be kidding me?"What is your problem? If you don't like what Dave writes, fine, but then have the guts to sign your name to it. These were three fond memories of a dear friend, a mentor. I think he used quite a bit of restraint by lighting his pipe and warning the"kid" of the consequences. You may be 41, but you forget that respect is something that comes with the Grey hair,slowly over time. I don't find the term "kid" disrespectful,just obvious. for the circumstance.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

...Kidding me,Decorum.If you have a sense of Decorum you’ll know what DP is writing/ranting.You’ll also have a sense why our more sophisticated and worldly blogger mouths lack patience at moments to our less……well, you get the picture.

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from You've got to be kidding me? wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Why do seniors seem to think their age gives them the right to disrect someone? Dave, if you felt oblidged to tell him you "aint no kid", your difference in age doesn't make it okay for him to call you kid anyway! Suppose you called him an old disrespectfull bastard and he didn't like it? Would simply pulling out your birth certificate to prove your younger age make it acceptable because your not an old disrespectfull bastard and he is? I think not! You wonder why the youth today appear to be disrespectfull? It's because old people dissrespect the youth all the time and feel it's okay only because they were sent a "buy" letter before the dissrespected was born.What makes a man noble when a punk kid gets on his nerves and you fix it with a threat? Wow! Big damn deal! Who hasn't done that?Read the paper today about some hammered newly turned 21 year old getting caught for peeing behind a dumpster and the mindset is that kids now-a-days have no respect. Wrong is wrong and disrespect is disrespect! Pee on a general while hammered and we see nothing wrong with that? I hope that general kicked him in the nads and punished him in other ways to make him really regret it!I turn 41 in September in case you think I'm just a young punk.

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from Bubba wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Met an older gentleman at one period that trained horses.Our conversation lead to the fact that he was retired military and had served in Germany near the end of WW II. He also showed me a hand gun that a SS officer surrendered to him after VE Day!He had the ability to give an unabashed idiot a look and a short quip that would stop a charging rhino! I don't know how many times I have just about crashed and burned when he would listen to some dweeb's inane statement and with a look and a word, leaving them stammering and red-faced! Heaven help the one poor idiot that decided she would buck him. Without one curse word, he put her succinctly in her place. Me, LingMAO as she stalked away red-faced!Bubba

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Dave,You don’t screw around with combat pilots. They’ll just up and kill ya.The first pilot I was crewed with was an old Thud jockey and a terminal major. He’d been shot down twice, had four Silver Stars, ten Bronze Stars, lost track of the air medals and AF Commendations. …and was getting divorced.Squadron CO told me I had to help “control” this guy.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Dave, If you have anymore of these stories stop holdin' out on us. More of the same please.

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from jstreet wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Today the kid's parents probably would have sued him, he would have been fired from F&S and all the "news" outlets would have had panel discussions on his "abuse" of the child.My, my how times have changed.....Jim

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from Thomas wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Sounds like things Jeff Cooper would have said.

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from Tom Sorenson wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Now that sounds like a man I would have been honored to have met and known!

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from Beekeeper wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

I needed that this morning... The kid probably grew up to be one of the current crop of overpaid Hollywood whiners...

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from Blue Ox wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Wish I coulda seen that...

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from TommyNash wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

What a great read....thx for Monday morning humor

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from mr. smith wrote 5 years 37 weeks ago

Great story Dave, keep up the good work. I've got a "baby face" and have been called "Kid" all my life. Now that I'm inching up on 50 and finally got some substancial graying in my beard I've noticed that people are starting to listen a little more when I talk. Just a fact of life, great story and all the best...

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 5 years 37 weeks ago

I agree with Jeff. Wisdom is not a natural consequence of age; it's the product of an individual choice and effort to learn from Life's lessons and mistakes over time. We can no more presuppose our elders are wise than they could presuppose younger men and women are callow or inexperienced, so we really should give each other the benefit of the doubt.I was in a supermarket when a gentlemen I know to be a fine human being, a retired Marine SNCO who served in Korea and Viet Nam, asked a question of a sales clerk. Unable to answer, the clerk turned to another store employee nearby and repeated the question. When asked, "Who wants to know?", the inexperienced salesclerk answered, "The old guy with the cane...". I must tell you, I've known that "old guy" for 40+ years, and I took offense on his behalf, but he exercised restraint and, with his customary dignity, ignored the lad. When the transaction was completed, I returned to the store and found the young fellow, took him aside and informed him that the "old guy with the cane" was an extraordinary human being, a hero to his Marines, and a better choice of words would have been "the gentleman with the cane". He nodded perfunctorily, but I got the impression there was a vacuum between his left & right ear.I have witnessed that pathetic lack of social skill too often to be amazed, but that disappoints me. I must assume there's something lacking in training or breeding when I encounter or observe it. It tells me there are few, if any, senior role models that this young person admires or respects, and he or she wouldn't know how to relate to them if there were.

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from Jeff wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

You know, I have great respect for a great many men that are much older than me. My grandfather and godfather are soley responsible for teaching me to hunt and creating my passion for the outdoors. The gentlemen that I shoot skeet with back at Camp Pendleton are mostly retired, and I get along with them with a great bit of respect between us all. The man who taught me to shoot skeet there has a glass eye and is missing a couple fingers. He got hit by an RPG in Viet Nam. All of these men, I respect, but as I demand, they respect me the same. Maybe it's the way I carry myself. Or maybe they address marines differently. I do know this. I have heard many ignorant or sometimes, just dumb things come from many old men's mouths. Age does not make the man. Wisdom, yes, does come with time and experience. But he who thinks he has nothing to learn from any one individual is certainly not wise. He is a fool. So if wisdom is what this thread is all about, maybe we should learn to address people by their actions and contributions to society and community. To me that seems logical. Quote movies, and use an annonymous post to call someone a "punk" if you will gentlemen. But sadly, few of you, hopefully, would have the audacity to treat anyone with any less respect than you would your own mother. If there's one thing in life it seems like many of you have not learned yet, it is that you never know who or what you are dealing with, until you get to know them. Ever.

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from Passafist wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

I'll take being called kid by my elders ANYDAY. I know that there is much to learn if I check my ego, open my ears and shut my mouth.BTW, I'm 43.Kidding me...you've got to be kidding me.

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from BarkeyVA wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Jim in Mo,Looking back, I think I did OK because I was not afraid to get my hands dirty, I cleaned up my own mess and I always tried to give credit where credit was due, regardless of an individual's position. I also did not mind being called "the kid."Having grown up on a farm in central Illinois, it has been a long time since I heard someone described as having "a corn cob up his/her ass." My dad and his friends used that description a lot. Modern farmers "shell" corn instead of "picking" corn, so whole corn cobs are hard to find. I don't know about you, but I had to use a corn cob more than once for personal hygiene while working out in the field, but only if absolutely necessary since they are "rough as a cob"!

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Every individual deserves to be addressed with human respect...at least until he (or she) demonstrates poor attitude or disregard for others, at which point the individual deserves to be avoided or ignored as a life form. For the younger men who interact with those of us who are longer in the tooth and shorter on hair follicles, I remind you not to judge a book by its cover. When we were young(er), we made our bones and more than our share of mistakes. In terms of the human experience, we've often "been there, done that" and it's occasionally difficult to be impressed by those who don't share those volumes of experience. Whether or not you interpret the term "kid" as derogatory, insulting, or a slight that overlooks your experience or intrinsic worth, it often depends on the source. Briefly, consider the source.He could indeed be a salty old fart, a crusty old SOB. Until you demonstrate who YOU really are, be aware he may have seen countless faces like yours and heard much of what you may have already said innumerable times in the past.For those of us who 60+, let us remember to tread lightly (preferably not at all) on the feelings of others. On the other hand, we have earned the right to be candid, so we'll probably call 'em as we see 'em. For those teamed with an individual who has a generation or more of seniority, don't take it as an insult. Lord willing, you'll live long enough to understand the "senior" perspective, and you do well to exercise whatever restraint or discretion you wish when addressing a younger man or woman, based on how you prefer to be address now. Without question, there was a point in life when I took exception to being called "kid", and there followed a time when it was simply a reminder that I still have a lot to learn. Some of the individuals who called me "kid" really had a great deal to teach me, and it took a while before I developed the objectivity to realize that.I agree that if anyone refers to you as "kid", he should have a sufficiently thick skin to take as well as he gives...so perhaps he needs to be asked what life was like when he emerged from the primordial ooze, or how were the acoustics in the cave. Be good to each other.Ed

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

BarkeyVa,Your a smart man, although I may not have handled it as well as you. I worked 37 yrs as hourly and if a salaried person addressed me as such I'd have fell head over heals to get along with them. Friendliness and willing to work together is what its all about. I bet you went a long way.The hourly gal your talking about just had a corn cob up her ass, that and dems. liberal minority hiring practices.

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from Zermoid wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

As a 46 year old who still prefers to NOT be called Mr or Sir (my dad was Mr and Sir, not me) I see nothing wrong with a older man calling me kid, heck, I still like to THINK I'm a "kid", don't you all?The whizzing on the General reminds me of a line from (I think) one of the Duke's movies, "There are two times you don't sneak up behind a man, when he's answering the call of nature and when the hair on the back of his neck is standing on end"

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from BarkeyVA wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Saw a spot on TV about the benefits of exercise on Alzheimer patients. We need to make sure we continue to go hunting or at least walk WalMart or the mall. As senility or worse sets in, we may all need to carry a GPS so we can find our way back to the truck or car.

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from Bubba wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

The reason we're standing around the entry waiting is because they only have 2 electric carts!!BubbaP.S. - See, told ya! CRS!

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from Bubba wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Dr. RalphI have CRS. Can't Remember Stuff*!!!(*)ref. fecal matterOn Saturday morning's, I'll be one of the old men standing around the entry at Wally World with the wife's list pinned to the bib of my overalls!Bubba

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Senility is sinking in. My wife calls it Part-timers but I am rapidly declining toalzheimers. Last post was mine

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from Lo wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

I'm with Scott on this one...lighten up Kidding & Jeff.Dave, wonderful stories, thanks for sharing! Keep 'em coming!

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from BarkeyVA wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Over 40 years ago, just out of college and working my first job as a chemist in industry, I said, "Hi, Kid!" to one of the production workers (a woman, probabably a little older than I). I started to ask her a question about a problem we were having with the product when she said, "Just how old do you think I am? I want you to know I am not a 'Kid'". I got the point, and tried to address anyone in the factory by their first name from then on. I also learned early on that no one knew more about the nuances of production than the hourly workers who were directly involved with the products and processes on a daily basis. I tried very hard to earn their trust, because it became obvious to me that their practical, hands-on knowledge, if they would share it with me, would be invaluable when it came to solving problems or improving the processes.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Being a curmudgeonly old a-hole myself I have a great deal of respect for Lt. Barrett. Sounds like he and I did things our way regardless of the outcome... obviously his outcomes were far superior to mine but the mindset is the same. We could have been best friends or worst enemies, but then again sometimes you can be both. Thanks for the story Dave, too bad there aren't more like him today. The world would be a far better place.Kidding me, you may be 41 but your post reveals more about you than you may wish to expose... punk.

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from VaTxHunter wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Dave,Thank you for the story.

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from DavidS wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

that is the kind of stuff most american children need. someone to show them who is boss. no b.s., just plain in your face, point blank athority. no violence, no screaming, and no kidding. and the kid knew it, right now. great job!

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from semp wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

... kidding me.Yo Twit, next time you approach this forum heel your canoe hard over to port and paddle to Hell.

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from Scott wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

By the way, great thread Dave!

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from Scott wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Young or old...get a sense of humor. Taking one's self so seriously can lead to terminal ego damage. Not to mention no dates, no friends and a dog who likely won't play with you. sheesh!

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from Carney wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Jeff,There are a LOT of bright young men -- but very few wise young men. Wisdom comes with age and experience. There is nothing noble about a young man, no matter how "experienced", missing this truth!Respect ties into old age and grey hair here: Leviticus 19:32 "'Rise in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere your God. I am the LORD.'"I am all for young men distinguishing themselves with valor, intelligence and all forms of gentlemanliness but every successful culture has maintained a respect for the "grey haired" of their society. Respect for those older is a "humanity norm" on par with the laws of gravity. And, if you are wise enough, you'll respond to it like a law of nature. You'll learn to roll with it, appreciate the dynamic of it and find your place in it. Eventually, you too will be called "Sir", simply because you've walked long and hard on the earth.

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from Jeff wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

To RJ. I have to side with the annonymous fellow. Where does respect tie into old age and gray hair? I'm 22, but I guarantee I have seen some things that would make a grown man feel like a child. 22 and two pumps to Iraq. Does my age make me more of a man than one of my civilian counterparts. I don't think so. Gentleman, you shouldn't walk around like your $hi% doesn't stink. There are plenty of young men and women that could teach you all a lot. And just for the record. I don't care who you are, if one of my marines pissed on a Brig. Gen., the General probably wouldn't do much to you, not matter how bad we needed you. He would leave that to the captains and the sergeants major. So, again, kudos to the annonymous man above.

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from RJ Arena wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

To"you've got to be kidding me?"What is your problem? If you don't like what Dave writes, fine, but then have the guts to sign your name to it. These were three fond memories of a dear friend, a mentor. I think he used quite a bit of restraint by lighting his pipe and warning the"kid" of the consequences. You may be 41, but you forget that respect is something that comes with the Grey hair,slowly over time. I don't find the term "kid" disrespectful,just obvious. for the circumstance.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

...Kidding me,Decorum.If you have a sense of Decorum you’ll know what DP is writing/ranting.You’ll also have a sense why our more sophisticated and worldly blogger mouths lack patience at moments to our less……well, you get the picture.

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from You've got to be kidding me? wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Why do seniors seem to think their age gives them the right to disrect someone? Dave, if you felt oblidged to tell him you "aint no kid", your difference in age doesn't make it okay for him to call you kid anyway! Suppose you called him an old disrespectfull bastard and he didn't like it? Would simply pulling out your birth certificate to prove your younger age make it acceptable because your not an old disrespectfull bastard and he is? I think not! You wonder why the youth today appear to be disrespectfull? It's because old people dissrespect the youth all the time and feel it's okay only because they were sent a "buy" letter before the dissrespected was born.What makes a man noble when a punk kid gets on his nerves and you fix it with a threat? Wow! Big damn deal! Who hasn't done that?Read the paper today about some hammered newly turned 21 year old getting caught for peeing behind a dumpster and the mindset is that kids now-a-days have no respect. Wrong is wrong and disrespect is disrespect! Pee on a general while hammered and we see nothing wrong with that? I hope that general kicked him in the nads and punished him in other ways to make him really regret it!I turn 41 in September in case you think I'm just a young punk.

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from Bubba wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Met an older gentleman at one period that trained horses.Our conversation lead to the fact that he was retired military and had served in Germany near the end of WW II. He also showed me a hand gun that a SS officer surrendered to him after VE Day!He had the ability to give an unabashed idiot a look and a short quip that would stop a charging rhino! I don't know how many times I have just about crashed and burned when he would listen to some dweeb's inane statement and with a look and a word, leaving them stammering and red-faced! Heaven help the one poor idiot that decided she would buck him. Without one curse word, he put her succinctly in her place. Me, LingMAO as she stalked away red-faced!Bubba

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Dave,You don’t screw around with combat pilots. They’ll just up and kill ya.The first pilot I was crewed with was an old Thud jockey and a terminal major. He’d been shot down twice, had four Silver Stars, ten Bronze Stars, lost track of the air medals and AF Commendations. …and was getting divorced.Squadron CO told me I had to help “control” this guy.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Dave, If you have anymore of these stories stop holdin' out on us. More of the same please.

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from jstreet wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Today the kid's parents probably would have sued him, he would have been fired from F&S and all the "news" outlets would have had panel discussions on his "abuse" of the child.My, my how times have changed.....Jim

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from Thomas wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Sounds like things Jeff Cooper would have said.

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from Tom Sorenson wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Now that sounds like a man I would have been honored to have met and known!

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from Beekeeper wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

I needed that this morning... The kid probably grew up to be one of the current crop of overpaid Hollywood whiners...

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from Blue Ox wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

Wish I coulda seen that...

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from TommyNash wrote 5 years 38 weeks ago

What a great read....thx for Monday morning humor

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