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July 12, 2007

The Truth About Overbore Capacity

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

This past weekend, I worked up a handload for my Ultra Light Arms .340 Weatherby, a rifle I’ve owned since 1993. The .340 is actually .338 bore diameter, but where a .338 Winchester takes about 70 grains of powder to give a 250-grain bullet 2,600 fps, my Weatherby uses 88 grains to push the same slug at 2,775.

Holy Barrel Burnout! Eighty-eight grains of powder is a load, and I thought there was no doubt that my lands and grooves were scorched to a cinder. So, filled with an overmastering sense of doom, I put the bore scope in the barrel and lo and behold, the rifling was as shiny and sharp as the day it left the Douglas factory.

The truth is that very few people shoot big magnum rifles unless they’re either crazy or have way too much money. Even with 14 years on it, that rifle has simply not had much use, and its barrel will last much longer than I will. Is the extra velocity worth it? Yes, marginally. Up to 300 yards it doesn’t make much difference, but beyond that, it can.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

nascar... blunderbuss, fowling piece, precursors abound the shotgun is a study in evolution. The oldest shotgun is supposedly in the Tower of London, was owned by Prince Charles aka Charles I, and was made in 1614. James Fenimore Cooper coined the term "shotgun" in 1776 while describing the frontier language of the west. He was in Kentucky.

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from nascar wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

who invented the first shogun and what was the brand name

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

Ok, so you put hydrostatic shocks on your F250?What’s your point

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

I put hydrostatic shocks on my F250 Clay

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

Hey WA MtnhunterGot to check this out!http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/bushmaster450.aspWhat’s the barrel length 308 vs 338 Federal? In adding or shortening a barrel, one inch is about 40 fps! Besides, I prefer my 06 to the 338 Federal. And if I need a big bore? My Browning A-Bolt 338 Win Mag will do the job!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

HardingBy the way about the Weatherby’s?It’s the Indian, not the arrow!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

Hey Gary Smith,What your experiencing, is the same as a cutting torch. An oxidizing flame and a highly heated gas. If you reload, change powders. That Sir, where the problem is. If you can see a flame upon shooting, then it’s not the right powder. Hodgens 110 and IMR 4227 works great. Check the gap between the cylinder and forcing cone of your barrel.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

Mr. HardingIf what you say is true?Bullets will tumble once they approach their limits. Then why even at a half-mile away, 22 long rifle still cut a nice clean hole. Rumor has it, when a bullet drops below the sound barrier, it will tumble. Haven’t seen it yet, even on the 1000-yard line.If what you say is true?using more powder than needed to obtain the accuracy necessary? What about the required optimum trajectory, foot pound energy, hydrostatic shock and the velocity performance range for the bullet to mushroom and/or penetrate?By the way, one of the best long range rifles most over looked is the .264 Win Mag. The only problem is the short barrel life. If I where In the shoes of a gun manufacturer, I would improve the metallurgy of the barrel to compensate for this.

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

Joey, Handguners have to deal with another problem called strap flame cutting. Especially stainless steel revolvers. Thats where the strap is actually cut when firing hot or standard loads.

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from Harding wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Having shot for over 50 years, qualified as Expert in many military arms and having used those precision skills in 'Nam, I would only comment that if you are using more powder than needed to obtain the accuracy necessary, then you have definitely into overbore capacity. Especially since some bullets will tumble once they approach their limits.I used a 7MM Rem Mag in a 700 Rem vs. the .308 in a 70 Win because it gave me about another 250-300 yds effective range in '70 (I wasn't officially qualified). I didn't have the tuned USMC rifles now used, but would use any rifle issued by the USMC Sniper armorers and know I couldn't be more efficient, and would put some Weatherbys et. al. to shame.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

How can the .338 Federal get 2,870 fps with a 180 gr bullet? I don't think you can safely load a .308 or .358 Win to that velocity.

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from MarvPDQ wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

It's Wednesday night - they are all at 7:00 Bible Study like good little Nazi's should be !

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from eat bagels wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago
from Rachel's General Discussion Board wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I HEREBY PROCLAIM ALL OF YOU TO BE BOWER'S BOARD FLYS

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from MarvPDQ wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

he he subscum

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from Kodiak wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

MarvPDQWe don’t know things like that. Sounds like you’re a real expert in the performance of executing this act, MarvPDQ! You must practice it often for that level of knowledge!

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from MarvPDQ wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

AWC sucks the guy is an ass

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from EricX wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Did I mention that I can hit a running man at 800 yards with my silvertip bullets I am the ultimate sniper.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

as the bullet moves down the bore, the expansion of gas must be in proportion for the displacement of volume in relationship of the diameter of the bore and the distance the bullet has traveled. Smaller the bore, pressure will increase faster than larger bore.ummmmmmmm P*v is proportional to T so smaller v = larger Pso you are arguing for constant Pmeaning constant Forceslope of a ct is 0ok for trajectory planning, but fast vel?

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

"the bigger the bore, the more expnasion of gas is neaded.welcome to fisix 101To slow it goes out the bore. To fast overpresure.sprecken zi american?Imr4350 and Imr4831 is the trick he says. I'll agree!got me convince if you are

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from Spike wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

First of all you must find a load with a powder that will give you the fastest velocity at the lowest pressure.When using IMR4831, I use Federal 215 magnum primers.lol

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from Gunny wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

talking about large calibers, not your little pill poodle shooters

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from Gunny wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

the bigger the bore, the more expnasion of gas is neaded. To slow it goes out the bore. To fast overpresure. Imr4350 and Imr4831 is the trick he says. I'll agree!

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from Gunny wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

the bigger the bore, the more expnasion of gas is neaded. To slow it goes out the bore. To fast overpresure. Imr4350 and Imr4831 is the trick he says. I'll agree!

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from Gunny wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Clay was on the money

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Clay talked over your heads when he said.I would use IMR7828 in a 25-06 or 270 where the cartridge is larger in relationship to the smaller caliber/bore. IMR7828 is a very slow burning propellant and the use of a heavy grain bullet for this cartridge would be ideal. Take the 340 Weatherby magnum, IMR7828 would be way to slow, unless your using a 300 grain barnes bullet. Don’t recommend a 300-grain in any of the 338 magnums, the 250-grain I found to be the optimum in going heavy. The best propellants I have found are IMR4350 and IMR4831.

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from Mark wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I fear Clay was sidetracked away from DP’s original definition of overbore capacity. Clay also lost me on his rants, too. E.g. I have medium and large bore rifles and handload. There’s no limit I can find on available powders to use. In fact, there’s an over selection.Very few medium and large bore Mag rifles are burned out since it’s a real drag running 30-rounds through the rifles in an afternoon. Unless a person is a professional hunter with a tolerance for heavy drama, I doubt the average fella fires 20-shells a year in these medium and large calibers rifles in hunting situations.I think some over-bore capacity cartridges do burn out barrels. The 257 and 270 Weatherby’s come to mind. The 264 Mag is another. I personally saw a 264 burn out a barrel. The owner used it for long range chuck sniping with very hot hand loads. He knew he would have short barrel life, but he didn’t care. He wanted to blast woodchucks.It’s no trick to find load data that can boost factory loads velocity. The brave can easily go 5% over published loading data without creating a critical mass. However, I think a person must ask; Why? An elk is just as dead with a 160-grain bullet in the vitals from a 280, or a 7mm Mauser, and it would be from an 7mm Ultra Mag. A varmint hunter may have different criteria where he wants as much velocity as possible to lessen the mid-range trajectory, and lessen the “Time to Target” [less time for variables to affect bullet trajectory]. This is why chuck hunters give thanks to the hunting gods for the 220 Swift.BTY—I have observed in most given rifles the 220 Swift is the superior cartridge in every way to the 22-250.

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from Ed J wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I don't know if I agree with that, Clay. I am under the impression that Overbore capacity is when you dump more powder and gain little or no more velocity.For example the 7mm Weatherby, the 7mm STW and the 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. The Weatherby uses 75 grs RL-22 Behind a 150gr bullet to get 3300fps. The 7mm Stw uses 80 grs to get the same velocity. The Ultra uses 94 grs to get the same 3300 fps. You can find verification of this in reloading manuals by Hornady, Sierra, Nosler and others.

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from Olen Grimes wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

We had some members of our website, WWW.HUNTERSONLY.COM, recently ask for a board to chat about subjects like this, so we set up " Rifles, Pistols, and ShotgunsShare Info and Advice on Loads, Reloading, Sighting In, and Weapons in General ". I am not a re-loader, but I have learned a lot reading the posts being put up, and too much of anything is a bad idea, safety first. SP10GAUGE

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from Pit Boss wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I will concede a possible regional capability, but first consider..the fuzing required for a nuclear weapon to function properly. You could have a 65m weapon ( as the Russians did in 1978) but without the ability to control the weapon ( they subsequently evaporated an 1/8 of Novaya Zemyla) you only have a kinetic energy weapon. Targeting is another extremely difficult problem to tackle. I'm sure you already know the consequences of a ground burst ( the only option without proper fuzing), but with any warhead re-entering the atmosphere, or even a mere 1000klick shot, the fuzing must be precise to the T. You must realize that a warhead re-entering the atmosphere is traveling at Mach22 ( or above in some designs). This leaves no room for error.In order to be a nuclear power, you must have complete mastery of this science. The Chinese are nowhere near this ability. Russia, contrary to popular belief, is no longer a strong supporter of China ( would you support a country growing near your own nuclear strength nextdoor?) Yes, they do have some experimental detonation requirements, but they don't have a tenth of what they need to field a bonified weapon.Regarding N. Korea. You must ask yourself some fundamental questions. What would China ( here and now) have to gain from aiding N.Korea? Is there an economic growth potential? No. Is there some port China needs desperately? No. Would China support ( this day and age) an assualt on S. Korea? No. Why do you think the NoDong program is faltering so badly? So what if N.Korea shot a TaePoDong into the Sea of Japan. Iraq can field conventional missiles. Nuclear physics is much different than adding certain ingredients, cooking at a certain temp., and coming up with a viable nuclear warhead. I hope I didn't flame you, but there is so much B.S. in the news that people don't really know what to believe and it isn't their fault.

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from elvis wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Don't feed the trolls

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from Now that I know this, I will just sit back and wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Oh, so there is a limit on conversation here...

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from YOOMEG wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Bweech!

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Anyone know how to get stains out of whites?

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from Queer Fantasia wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I can spot 'em a mile away. They was two of 'em out in the parkin' lot a kissin'. I seen it when I got up this mornin'. Two peas in a pod, ya know what I mean? I mean, shit man! It's all on account of this here bottled water, I'm tellin' ya...saltpeter... they puttin' saltpeter in it... they ain't foolin' this ole boy none a'tall!

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from Fire Dancing Ninja wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

We are prepared to name the problem children-Subtle Ethnic Cleansing.......

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from alabamahunter wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Let's stick to firearms here people. Some of these idiots leaving gay crap on here are ruining it. If you don't have anything to add to the subject GO THE HELL AWAY!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

JBThe term overbore in this issue is use to define the use of a caliber/cartridge to do a certain job. A hunter would use a 22 long rifle on a squirrel, yet a 30/06 will destroy the critter. The problem with the big bore calibers like .338 diameters and larger is the limited availability to or narrow spectrum of propellants to use. For example, I would use IMR7828 in a 25-06 or 270 where the cartridge is larger in relationship to the smaller caliber/bore. IMR7828 is a very slow burning propellant and the use of a heavy grain bullet for this cartridge would be ideal. Take the 340 Weatherby magnum, IMR7828 would be way to slow, unless your using a 300 grain barnes bullet. Don’t recommend a 300-grain in any of the 338 magnums, the 250-grain I found to be the optimum in going heavy. The best propellants I have found are IMR4350 and IMR4831. In other words, as the bullet moves down the bore, the expansion of gas must be in proportion for the displacement of volume in relationship of the diameter of the bore and the distance the bullet has traveled. Smaller the bore, pressure will increase faster than larger bore.If a shooter can research and work up a load, they may achieve above factory specs. Hand loading a 30-06,you can load a 150-grain bullet with Winchester 748 or IMR4064 to 3100. That’s 200 fps over factory load.And why the hell did Federal come out with the 338 Federal, a 308 Winchester blown out to 338. Man, puzzles me. Make a good brush gun with 200 and 225 grain on deer. But Elk and Moose, NO WAY! Now that’s over bore!!! I’ll stick to my 30-06! I do own a 338 Win Mag, A-Bolt Browning and nothing walks away from it.

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from JB wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

The 340 Weatherby ain't no stinkin' overbore. The 22/378 Weatherby Eargesplitten Loudenboomer is. (Handbook for Shooters and Relaoders, Vol 2, by P.O. Ackley, pp. 141)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Ed J, you asked,How long is the barrel? 20 inches or 26 inches? That makes a difference.Good question that I know I can answer.Answer:A BIG DIFFERANCE! The only advantage you get out of a 20 inch over a 26 is making the rifle shorter, PERIOD! By shorting the barrel you drastically degrade the performance of the cartridge. If you had a 300 Win Mag and shooting a 150 grain bullet out of a 26 inch barrel and you shorten the barrel to 20 inches, you will loose approximately 30 feet per second per inch of lose. That’s 160 fps, more like 200 fps in this case and the blast is tremendous. You will better off shooting a 30-06, NO JOKE!A little factoid here: Take a 30-06 with a 24 inch barrel. If the chamber pressure is 52,000, the muzzle pressure (at 24 inches) will be 12,000. The pressure peaks approximately 2.5 inches into the barrel and drastically falls as the bullet travels down the barrel.Visit: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/resource/remington_charts/tableinfo.htmAn... question that I have been asked, how do I get more velocity out of my rifles like my 30-06 and 338 Win Mag. Easy answer but there is a little secret to it. First of all you must find a load with a powder that will give you the fastest velocity at the lowest pressure. In this forum, I found that Mr. David Petzal used the not so best of loads. He said, this past weekend, I worked up a handload for my Ultra Light Arms .340 Weatherby, a rifle I’ve owned since 1993. The .340 is actually .338 bore diameter, but where a .338 Winchester takes about 70 grains of powder to give a 250-grain bullet 2,600 fps, my Weatherby uses 88 grains to push the same slug at 2,775. So where did David go wrong? First load for his 250 grain with 70 grains of powder @ 2,600 sounds like he used something like IMR4320 and for his second load with 88 grains at 2,775 he used a real slow burning powder like IMR 7828. He first used a powder that is to fast and the second load to slow burning. IMR4350 and IMR4831 would have been my choices!I know what you’re going to ask!Ok Clay, what’s your secret and what would you have used for his 340 Weatherby when your 338 Win Mag is at 2810 fps with a 250 grain Nosler Partition. The best powders for big bore calibers is best served by using loads with IMR4350 and no slower than IMR4831. I use Federal 215 Large Rifle Magnum primers. And by the way, the rumor has it the closer the bullet to the groves of the barrel makes it more accurate varies like a fingerprint, case by case. And I can debate this one hands down. The Weatherby Rifle has a longer travels before contact with the rifling than other manufactures. Yet the accuracy is unchanged. The shorter the travel, the more the chamber pressure and velocity will rise, perhaps blowing the rifle barrel up. So be very careful in this mater in the overall length.And now my secret! For loads like my 25-06 and 30-06. When using IMR4831, I use Federal 215 magnum primers. Be very careful in doing this. By using a Magnum primer is like adding at least 3 to 4 more grains of powders. I only use Mag Primers with slow burning powders such as IMR 4831, Winchester 760 and Hodgens H870. H870 is no longer made and works great in my 25-06 with a 120 grain Nosler Partition.

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from Little Red Fauntlieroi wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

The citizens of planet Nutsac have appointed NewsGuy to reveal the truth of the tinfoil hat to all Earthlings...Help, I stuck a 220V EuroPlug up Mikey's ass, now I can't get it out....Queer Fantasia Buddy Hinton

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from Freedom Bobby wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Why don't you just tell us how you Feel? (ha) That was pretty flamboyant for a nice calm intellectual like you. But it is Time in America, for the faint hearted to come out of their shells, & tell it like it is. In all corners of this nation, in every tiny town, to major metropolis, the TRUTH must be told.I have read your posts, for 6 months on this Forum, & I can truly say you have been logical, brilliant, well informed, and articulate in all that you say. Of course, that just "inflames" the radical righties.For some reason, they know they cannot WIN with any facts, or references, or logic, or parroted Ditto Head speeches, so their only hope is in discrediting us. We are the only Voices of Reason, with a few other brave people who have a variety of monikers, I need not mention. I don't know if you have seen the awful smears against you written by a few weak minds on this Forum, but if you can Find one of these guys, you may have a slander case against him. I have taken the heat every time you go away for a couple of days, --- they are so paranoid that they even have accused ME of being YOU. It is so pathetic.Carry on, great torch bearer, of true Democracy.Oh, I think I finally discovered, after intense scrutiny, why nobody can get thru their mental barrier of arrogant, stubborn denial. Many times when we post a good description of something, with a paragraph or 2 of substantiating evidence, they come up with some off the wall retort that has no relevance to the subject at hand.After this occurred dozens of times, I suddenly realized that there are only a few possible reasons for this, (1) they are so illliterate they can't understand simple English, or (2) they are so brain-washed they cannot accept anything but their inbred Dogma, (3) they don't bother to actually READ what we write, before they jump into a frenzy to attack it. BUT EVEN MORE LIKELY (4) they have something akin to ADD. (attention deficit disorder). They cannot string 2 or 3 paragraphs together & arrive at any logical conclusion.This makes perfect sense. You cannot educate those with extremely short attention spans, because they cannot even look at it long enough to comprehend it. It is caused by some organic brain damage. They can't pay attention, & so they can't absorb or learn. Their ability to analyze data is severely impaired. THIS would explain a great deal of the illogical thinking, & unwillingness to learn exhibited by so many right wingers. NOT ALL OF THEM, but a large % of the ones I have seen on this Forum.Ordinarily, as a teacher or psychologist, I would feel sorry for those who have this problem. I have seen little kids with this, that would break your heart. THEY do not live their lives trying to insult & scream lies at others, & force their opinions on free-thinking adults. They are often quiet shy kids, or overly active (hyperactive) kids who require Ritalin or Skinnerian Behavior Modification to adjust them into society. BUT the adults who come here just to taunt and insult people, & try to FORCE their lies down our throats, are not to be pitied. If they would mind their own business, OR recognize their limits, & argue politely, I would never even bring it up.But you & I know that THIS IS NOT an attempt on their part to indulge in Debate, or pursue ideas, or try to find out the TRUTH. THIS is simply an opportunity for them to practice attacks, lies, smears, distortions, & the usual party line. (The hallmark of brain-washing & Fascism).So NOW that we recognize that much of the problem that our citizens are too dumb to vote, or only vote according to the Party line they were exposed to from birth --- is due to ADD. HOW CAN WE CURE THEM IN TIME? You can't grow a brain where one does not exist. In Human Anatomy course in Med School, I had to dissect a human cadaver 6 hrs a week. The last thing we dissected was the human brain, & I could not help but notice that it looked like any ordinary pile of hamburger sitting there. But I was looking thru blurry eyes, since witnessing 12 dead bodies get their skull torn open by a portable electric saw, and the sickening smell of formaldehyde was pretty thick in there. However, I grabbed my sharpened scalpel & dutifully sliced thru the middle of the brain to expose the cerebellum. With special attention to the pontine reticular formation of the hypothalamus. It was not much worse than dissecting the arms, trying not to break the tiny threads, that were Nerves. But the intricate parts of the brain, cannot be re-grown in the adult skull.However, I think a few of those pickled dead brains did contain more active gray matter, than many right wingers. --HA (A little bedside humor). So how do we find the cure?Perhaps we could organize a Hollywood Telethon, where people call in to donate money to buy a brain (slightly used) for transplant into impaired people on the right. It might even be an improvement. In George Bush's case, we agreed that even a chimp brain would be an improvement.Now ordinarily I would feel sorry for somebody like Geo Bush, who can't help it if he ain't too bright. BUT FOR THE FACT he is trying to use his precious few resources in that dept, to destroy our 227 year old Democracy. And to send our precious children into harm's way, to fight a War that we didn't even need to fight. This is unforgiveable.Why do they idolize Bush, with so many short comings & flaws? He lies, fabricates evidence, has a cabinet full of greedy corporate thieves, goes AWOL during the Viet Nam war, & deliberately cuts veterans benefits, pollution standards, & GIVES AWAY our Budget SURPLUS (which is made up of OUR taxpayer's money --- NOT HIS) to his greedy corrupt GOP industrialists.Oh, by the way, --- the NEW MEDICARE REFORM? Why does it help the Pharmaceutical industry much MORE than it does the Senior Citizens? Hmmm Could it be due to Don Rumsfeld being involved DEEPLY with 2 or 3 pharmaceutical corps? The graft & corruption of Bush's Cabinet alone, would fill up the West Wing of Alcatraz. And we'd need to annex more.BUT HERE IS THE SECRET OF THE POPULARITY of GEORGE BUSH. He is a perfect Role Model for Bad Boys, the ones who were always in trouble, the ones who were never too bright, the ones who sneaked off to recess during math class, the guys who felt uneasy around books & intellectuals. George is their perfect icon, showing that WEAK minds can LEAD a whole country, that alcoholics can succeed, that the good old boys can throw the bull enough, to cover up all the poop in his Oval Office. And even invent W-M-D for him.

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from Juice wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Shut the fu*& up about politics dumba**es.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

ANOTHER CRACKHEAD!

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from Shenyin Wanguo Securities wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I hear post-op shemales are the best

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from His Majesty, Obama wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

HERE IS YOUR NEW BLACK GOD! WHEE! OBAMA WILL FIX EVERYTHING! HURRY! HOT! VOTE FOR CHANGE! VOTE FOR OBAMA! OOH! HOT! HE IS SO BLACK! HURRRY! HOT HOT HOT!Queer Fantasia Buddy Hinton ha ha hehe

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from Buddy Hinton wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I spank you bunny rabbit with hot Chinese noodle!!! Oog! You like! Smacksmack! Urrrrhg!YOU ARE POOR AND FRUSTRATED BECAUSE YOU ARE UN-EDUCATED.YOU ARE IN FOR ONE HELL OF A LONG WAIT AS YOU SIT THERE ON YOUR BUTT WAITING FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (ANY PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES) TO HAND YOU THE WORLD ON A SILVER PLATTER.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

HILLARY?Defiantly has a Overbore Capacity!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Ed J, you asked,How long is the barrel? 20 inches or 26 inches? That makes a difference.Good question that I know I can answer.Answer:A BIG DIFFERANCE! The only advantage you get out of a 20 inch over a 26 is making the rifle shorter, PERIOD! By shorting the barrel you drastically degrade the performance of the cartridge. If you had a 300 Win Mag and shooting a 150 grain bullet out of a 26 inch barrel and you shorten the barrel to 20 inches, you will loose approximately 30 feet per second per inch of lose. That’s 160 fps, more like 200 fps in this case and the blast is tremendous. You will better off shooting a 30-06, NO JOKE!A little factoid here: Take a 30-06 with a 24 inch barrel. If the chamber pressure is 52,000, the muzzle pressure (at 24 inches) will be 12,000. The pressure peaks approximately 2.5 inches into the barrel and drastically falls as the bullet travels down the barrel.Visit: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/resource/remington_charts/tableinfo.htmAn... question that I have been asked, how do I get more velocity out of my rifles like my 30-06 and 338 Win Mag. Easy answer but there is a little secret to it. First of all you must find a load with a powder that will give you the fastest velocity at the lowest pressure. In this forum, I found that Mr. David Petzal used the not so best of loads. He said, this past weekend, I worked up a handload for my Ultra Light Arms .340 Weatherby, a rifle I’ve owned since 1993. The .340 is actually .338 bore diameter, but where a .338 Winchester takes about 70 grains of powder to give a 250-grain bullet 2,600 fps, my Weatherby uses 88 grains to push the same slug at 2,775. So where did David go wrong? First load for his 250 grain with 70 grains of powder @ 2,600 sounds like he used something like IMR4320 and for his second load with 88 grains at 2,775 he used a real slow burning powder like IMR 7828. He first used a powder that is to fast and the second load to slow burning. IMR4350 and IMR4831 would have been my choices!I know what you’re going to ask!Ok Clay, what’s your secret and what would you have used for his 340 Weatherby when your 338 Win Mag is at 2810 fps with a 250 grain Nosler Partition. The best powders for big bore calibers is best served by using loads with IMR4350 and no slower than IMR4831. I use Federal 215 Large Rifle Magnum primers. And by the way, the rumor has it the closer the bullet to the groves of the barrel makes it more accurate varies like a fingerprint, case by case. And I can debate this one hands down. The Weatherby Rifle has a longer travels before contact with the rifling than other manufactures. Yet the accuracy is unchanged. The shorter the travel, the more the chamber pressure and velocity will rise, perhaps blowing the rifle barrel up. So be very careful in this mater in the overall length.And now my secret! For loads like my 25-06 and 30-06. When using IMR4831, I use Federal 215 magnum primers. Be very careful in doing this. By using a Magnum primer is like adding at least 3 to 4 more grains of powders. I only use Mag Primers with slow burning powders such as IMR 4831, Winchester 760 and Hodgens H870. H870 is no longer made and woks great in my 25-06 with a 120 grain Nosler Partition.

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from Sarge wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Hey” Queer Fantasia Buddy Hinton, you need to start listening to Barry Manilow and chill out! First of all I don’t take what people say personally, I just consider the source! AND MAN< YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE!By the way Queer Fantasia Buddy Hinton, there looking for crash dummies at Volks Wagon.

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from Queer Fantasia Buddy Hinton wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

You are the audience. I outrank you! 'I do not need channels to voice my message.' I don't need you, fool. For when I said I use these two to carry my word into the world, I wasn't kidding. That's the second lie you told. It will cost you even more of your mind, mindless one. I don't tolerate such injustices and filth like you.I never did. I only allow your mindless twitter to continue, so that others may also learn just what and who you truly are. You are not Divine. You are hated by God. You lied to the world again and again, saying these two girls are the same person. For this lurid attempt to destroy yet two more feminine children of mine, I shall shatter your mind in four more pieces for the four names of mockery you dared utter against these two innocent victims, who dared to write down my words exactly as I spoke them. Did you think I would not return to you what you sought to lay upon these two good girls, who I sent into the world to take out you and your filthy kind? Want to bet I don't talk like this?This crap you wrote and send out to the entire world about me will cost you dearly. I don't -foot around. I intend to take out more than your lights, you dark one who dared call himself ME. I am not you, nor will I ever be.If you think I can't and don't and won't and will not continue to use people I love as guides and channels and voices I speak through, think again, little faggot queen. I don't use queers and s and demon whores and would-be studs, a.k.a. Sai fag queens, to ever bring my word to any people anywhere, not in any time or dimension or plane or "heaven" or fun house like earth.unicorns are sexy in riding boots.I had been hearing about the glamorous, scandalous, sexy Mitford sisters for years ... the fiery and sexy Communist, Unity the glamorous and sexy she-Nazi, ...

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from Thor Heyerdahl wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

HILLARY WILL SMASH THE BELLYFAT AND RIP THE CARBS OUT OF THE SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAMME WHILE ELIMINATING SUGARY COLAS AND TATER TOTS. SHE'S GOING TO BLISTER YOUR BIG FAT BOTTOMS RAW, PEOPLE! YOU SILLY GERBILS WANT IT IN THE BUTT AND HILLARY WILL DAMNED SURE SEE TO IT THAT YOU GET IT AND SHE WILL TAX THE HOLY SMOKING CRAP OUT OF THE POORPEOPLE (WHO MAY NOT WANT IT IN THE BUTT, BUT THEY SURE AS HELL LOVE TO SMOKE TOBACCO AND DRINK BEER) WITH HER NEW "ENHANCED WELLNESS FUNDING INITIATIVES" WHICH WILL ACCELLERATE THE "TOBACCO SETTLEMENT" AND THE ONGOING GENERAL ECONOMIC PERSECUTION OF SMOKERS AND DRINKERS AND AUTOMOBILISTS.BEND OVER, AMERICA, "CHANGE" IS COMIN' AT YA! IT'S GOING TO FLY RIGHT UP YOUR BUTTS LIKE A GRITTY SAGUARO CACTUS!!!** UNLESS THE CHINESE BEAT HER TO IT..."Doodlebops".... Gayer than "Teletubbies"?

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from Goat OrchestraSchizophrenia wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

We take over You soon. You see! We fix Hillary right away. Then your get free acupuncture and lifetime job for every american! You like! No more SUV. Never lay off! No more fatty meat. No more commute! No more mortgage! You live in big factory, make big quota, be happy!China Make New World Order!

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from Archibald MacLeish wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Look, buddy, we got a union, see? We got us a solid, foursquare, rock-ribbed union and we ain't gonna pull no shifts, see? The Germans are coming to beat you up again. They should arrive around four-ish or so. Once they stomp your sniveling French asses and process your Muslim invaders, they are going to march on down to Israel and blister their little bleating bottoms, too. Then I suppose that they will stomp the Saudis and get all that sweet, light crude to impel their powerful Mercedes down their delightful autobahns...

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from Wu Yung Ho wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

"I try to shoot at least l0 rounds per day for 3 months prior to my trips west""I wish I had the time, money and a place to shoot a thousand rounds a year"you a caucasian

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from Gunslinger wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I wish I had the time, money and a place to shoot a thousand rounds a year, or better yet, to burn out a bbl on my 30-06's. Most of us don;t have the time, or take the time to pratice these days. I do get to go to the Rocky Mountains about every year or two and then I begin to pratice with cheapo ammo untill ready for the final test and zero's if the 0 is off. No questions need be ask, most hunters don;t pratice enough. I;ve been on hunts where a guy comes out with a new gun, scope, sling, etc. and tells the guide its bore sighted at 100 yds per the salesperson at Wal-marts??????. My, how the guide love this. I;ve also been on hunts where a older guy like myself has an old gun, sometimes with the stock taped together. This is the guy who fills his tags early, as he knows how to shot just by looking at his gun.Too many so-called hunters think a magazine of ammo shot is sufficient to kill a trophy, sadly it isn;t. I try to shoot at least l0 rounds per day for 3 months prior to my trips west. As last year I killed 2 animals in excess of 300 yds with one shot to each animal. That is beyond my "rather zone" of 200 yds, but the landscape in the western states will fool you, there- fore, by all means take a rangefinder and use if you have time. I prefer the buddy system, 2 guys hunting together. But sometimes its only you. Just make sure you shot for the Vitals and hold-tight. Then ease the trigger back and PRAY. Good luck and happy hunting. Enjoy the next hunt, as it could be your last.

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from Juice wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Somebody is definately here talking about transees and it ain't me mothafu*^er. They're using my name.

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from Ed J wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

ClayHow long is the barrel? 20 inches or 26 inches? That makes a difference.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Jimmy is confused. He said he’s married to a transsexual and can not make up his mind is it the tits or the balls he is attracted to!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

So Dave, do you have way too much money or are you just crazy?

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from Jimmy wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

A life of shemale porn and golf. Who could ask for anything more? -I also go to the black community and give speeches in an effort to uplift the people. Someone out there has been reading their gay oriented newsletters!!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

72 grains of IMR4350, Federal 215 primer and a Hornady 225 grain runs across the cronny at 3000fps

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

338 Winchester takes about 70 grains of powder to give a 250-grain bullet 2,600 fps.What powder you using!70 grains of IMR4350, Federal 215 primer and a Nosler 250 grain partition runs across the cronny at 2815fps!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I personally think most folks don't shot enought to be good shots, much less wear out a barrel.agreeIt's just not that easy any more to step out the back door and shoot as I did as a kid. We would burn way over 2,000 rounds each on a good weekend2k? NFA??? wtf?

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from Jim wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I'm being on the way past 50 side of things, I've saw and have barrels shoot out even in the .222 & .243. I have a Remington .243 on it's 3rd barrel, but to me when group size gets much past .75" I have no use for the barrel.My Dad shot a S & W .357 so much the backstrap was not repairable per S & W. He had gotten his wear out of it and simple bought another. I have his third one and still shoot it today some.I personally think most folks don't shot enought to be good shots, much less wear out a barrel. It's just not that easy any more to step out the back door and shoot as I did as a kid. We would burn way over 2,000 rounds each on a good weekend at P. Dogs and never even get off our own farms. We had a 600 yard range about 100 yards from the house and I hunted every day of Nebraska's Pheasant season. Today I'm luck to get in 10 days of Pheasant hunting. P. Dogs are limited to 6 or 8 trips a year and less than 20,000 rounds.Now I spend a great deal of time training folks how to shot CVA Muzzleloaders and my many rifles will get way over 25,000 rounds sent down there barrels each year. Tomorrow is a FREE GAMO Air Rifle Shoot at the Kansas City, Kansas Cabela's where I'll be taking 15,000 pellets and plan to come home without any. I hope every kid and every kid at heart gets to shoot until they are tired! I provide everything from the guns, pellets, balloons, animal crackers and all kinds of fun targets. I'm just trying to pass the shooting sports on to every kid I meet. Same for fishing.

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from R Dorn wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

I spent the better part of this afternoon trying to locate the "gunsmithlocator.com" web link at Midway without success. I also did several searches without luck. Is it a phantom of someone's imagination or what? I've been trying to locate a gunsmith named Roderiquez for several years...ever since seeing a picture of Craig Boddington's "Roderiquez 7x57 custom mauser" Can anybody direct?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

The 30 carbine is efficient for light game and people, especially in a defensive situation. What dumba** would think about using it for big game anyway loser?

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from Jimmy wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

Overbore capacity is only a state of mind for any regular person. Magnums and high velocity are the only barrel burning factor and aren't prevalent until you shoot thousands of rounds. Besides, if you can create higher bc's by even a little bit, you should load that baby hotter.

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from Joey wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

Are handguns up to burn out or is it just rifles that use the bigger power charges?

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from Eric wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

I shoot my 330 Wby a lot and I shoot it fast, just like you would if a follow up shot is necessary and it just keeps shooting TIGHT groups with about any load I put in it. Same for the 257 WBY and the 270 WIN. Whatever throat burn does take place will never make a differnce in a hunting rifle. Burn away!!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

I read an article about cartridge efficiency in one of the gun rags a couple of years ago. It was done by one of the more credible writers, although I can remember who. Anyway, it addressed cartridge efficiency as energy and lethality factors versus the amount of powder burned. I was surprised that the .257 Roberts Ackley Improved and the .35 Whelen Improved were at the top of the heap. The .308 Win was right there too, as I recall.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

Dave-Is that .340 for sale?

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from Yongary wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

"I agree that bore or throat erosion are overrated for modern firearms."I agree, many sportsmens' rifles rarely see 20 bullets a year, especially using expensive ammo, but some people fire over 3000/year easily, so it is still a concern in some rifles

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from Jim wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

According to the theorists, the little .30 M1 Carbine round is about as efficient as you can get. However, the 30. Carbine round makes a lousy big-game cartridge. One thing we must not do is confuse efficiency with effectiveness. A .340 Weatherby may not be that efficient, but it surely is effective against anything that walks the earth. There's no doubt as to which kind of firearm I'd rather be carrying when the game is tough or the ranges are long, or both!

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

I agree that bore or throat erosion are overrated for modern firearms.Short of, say, a varmit hunter that shoots the same weapon for 30-40 years, you'll never put enough shells through a regularly maintained gun to make a difference.That said, magnums are generally answers in search of a question. Particularly true of the uber-magnums.

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from Thos. B. Fowler wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

I remember the dire warnings about overbore capacity, too...and have to admire something like the little .222---so efficient, and does a number of chores well, quietly, inexpensively. But, like Robbie Frost observed, something there is that doesn't like a fence--and sensible cartridges seem doomed for the bigger bang.Recently, I had to load up some standard 8mm rounds for a backup rifle for an elk hunt...and this round, which I had sort of lumped in with the '06 as an overbore round, turned out to be just right when loaded with H380 and a 180 gr. Barnes boat tail. It was even a mildly compressed load, which brought back memories of Dad loading his old 7mm with surplus powder that way. 'It cannot be overbore...hear it crunch?'I suppose that as long as we have the marvelous American mind at work, we will have campfire arguments over the 'fences' of calibers and perfect loadings. It is in the nature of America.Tom Fowler

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from Steve imposter #53 wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

Well if you can't increase B.C. it's all you got

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

nascar... blunderbuss, fowling piece, precursors abound the shotgun is a study in evolution. The oldest shotgun is supposedly in the Tower of London, was owned by Prince Charles aka Charles I, and was made in 1614. James Fenimore Cooper coined the term "shotgun" in 1776 while describing the frontier language of the west. He was in Kentucky.

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from nascar wrote 6 years 33 weeks ago

who invented the first shogun and what was the brand name

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

Ok, so you put hydrostatic shocks on your F250?What’s your point

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

I put hydrostatic shocks on my F250 Clay

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

Hey WA MtnhunterGot to check this out!http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/bushmaster450.aspWhat’s the barrel length 308 vs 338 Federal? In adding or shortening a barrel, one inch is about 40 fps! Besides, I prefer my 06 to the 338 Federal. And if I need a big bore? My Browning A-Bolt 338 Win Mag will do the job!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

HardingBy the way about the Weatherby’s?It’s the Indian, not the arrow!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

Hey Gary Smith,What your experiencing, is the same as a cutting torch. An oxidizing flame and a highly heated gas. If you reload, change powders. That Sir, where the problem is. If you can see a flame upon shooting, then it’s not the right powder. Hodgens 110 and IMR 4227 works great. Check the gap between the cylinder and forcing cone of your barrel.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

Mr. HardingIf what you say is true?Bullets will tumble once they approach their limits. Then why even at a half-mile away, 22 long rifle still cut a nice clean hole. Rumor has it, when a bullet drops below the sound barrier, it will tumble. Haven’t seen it yet, even on the 1000-yard line.If what you say is true?using more powder than needed to obtain the accuracy necessary? What about the required optimum trajectory, foot pound energy, hydrostatic shock and the velocity performance range for the bullet to mushroom and/or penetrate?By the way, one of the best long range rifles most over looked is the .264 Win Mag. The only problem is the short barrel life. If I where In the shoes of a gun manufacturer, I would improve the metallurgy of the barrel to compensate for this.

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from Gary Smith wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

Joey, Handguners have to deal with another problem called strap flame cutting. Especially stainless steel revolvers. Thats where the strap is actually cut when firing hot or standard loads.

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from Harding wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Having shot for over 50 years, qualified as Expert in many military arms and having used those precision skills in 'Nam, I would only comment that if you are using more powder than needed to obtain the accuracy necessary, then you have definitely into overbore capacity. Especially since some bullets will tumble once they approach their limits.I used a 7MM Rem Mag in a 700 Rem vs. the .308 in a 70 Win because it gave me about another 250-300 yds effective range in '70 (I wasn't officially qualified). I didn't have the tuned USMC rifles now used, but would use any rifle issued by the USMC Sniper armorers and know I couldn't be more efficient, and would put some Weatherbys et. al. to shame.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

How can the .338 Federal get 2,870 fps with a 180 gr bullet? I don't think you can safely load a .308 or .358 Win to that velocity.

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from MarvPDQ wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

It's Wednesday night - they are all at 7:00 Bible Study like good little Nazi's should be !

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I HEREBY PROCLAIM ALL OF YOU TO BE BOWER'S BOARD FLYS

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from MarvPDQ wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

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from Kodiak wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

MarvPDQWe don’t know things like that. Sounds like you’re a real expert in the performance of executing this act, MarvPDQ! You must practice it often for that level of knowledge!

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from MarvPDQ wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

AWC sucks the guy is an ass

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from EricX wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Did I mention that I can hit a running man at 800 yards with my silvertip bullets I am the ultimate sniper.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

as the bullet moves down the bore, the expansion of gas must be in proportion for the displacement of volume in relationship of the diameter of the bore and the distance the bullet has traveled. Smaller the bore, pressure will increase faster than larger bore.ummmmmmmm P*v is proportional to T so smaller v = larger Pso you are arguing for constant Pmeaning constant Forceslope of a ct is 0ok for trajectory planning, but fast vel?

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

"the bigger the bore, the more expnasion of gas is neaded.welcome to fisix 101To slow it goes out the bore. To fast overpresure.sprecken zi american?Imr4350 and Imr4831 is the trick he says. I'll agree!got me convince if you are

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from Spike wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

First of all you must find a load with a powder that will give you the fastest velocity at the lowest pressure.When using IMR4831, I use Federal 215 magnum primers.lol

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from Gunny wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

talking about large calibers, not your little pill poodle shooters

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from Gunny wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

the bigger the bore, the more expnasion of gas is neaded. To slow it goes out the bore. To fast overpresure. Imr4350 and Imr4831 is the trick he says. I'll agree!

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from Gunny wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

the bigger the bore, the more expnasion of gas is neaded. To slow it goes out the bore. To fast overpresure. Imr4350 and Imr4831 is the trick he says. I'll agree!

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from Gunny wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Clay was on the money

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Clay talked over your heads when he said.I would use IMR7828 in a 25-06 or 270 where the cartridge is larger in relationship to the smaller caliber/bore. IMR7828 is a very slow burning propellant and the use of a heavy grain bullet for this cartridge would be ideal. Take the 340 Weatherby magnum, IMR7828 would be way to slow, unless your using a 300 grain barnes bullet. Don’t recommend a 300-grain in any of the 338 magnums, the 250-grain I found to be the optimum in going heavy. The best propellants I have found are IMR4350 and IMR4831.

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from Mark wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I fear Clay was sidetracked away from DP’s original definition of overbore capacity. Clay also lost me on his rants, too. E.g. I have medium and large bore rifles and handload. There’s no limit I can find on available powders to use. In fact, there’s an over selection.Very few medium and large bore Mag rifles are burned out since it’s a real drag running 30-rounds through the rifles in an afternoon. Unless a person is a professional hunter with a tolerance for heavy drama, I doubt the average fella fires 20-shells a year in these medium and large calibers rifles in hunting situations.I think some over-bore capacity cartridges do burn out barrels. The 257 and 270 Weatherby’s come to mind. The 264 Mag is another. I personally saw a 264 burn out a barrel. The owner used it for long range chuck sniping with very hot hand loads. He knew he would have short barrel life, but he didn’t care. He wanted to blast woodchucks.It’s no trick to find load data that can boost factory loads velocity. The brave can easily go 5% over published loading data without creating a critical mass. However, I think a person must ask; Why? An elk is just as dead with a 160-grain bullet in the vitals from a 280, or a 7mm Mauser, and it would be from an 7mm Ultra Mag. A varmint hunter may have different criteria where he wants as much velocity as possible to lessen the mid-range trajectory, and lessen the “Time to Target” [less time for variables to affect bullet trajectory]. This is why chuck hunters give thanks to the hunting gods for the 220 Swift.BTY—I have observed in most given rifles the 220 Swift is the superior cartridge in every way to the 22-250.

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from Ed J wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I don't know if I agree with that, Clay. I am under the impression that Overbore capacity is when you dump more powder and gain little or no more velocity.For example the 7mm Weatherby, the 7mm STW and the 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. The Weatherby uses 75 grs RL-22 Behind a 150gr bullet to get 3300fps. The 7mm Stw uses 80 grs to get the same velocity. The Ultra uses 94 grs to get the same 3300 fps. You can find verification of this in reloading manuals by Hornady, Sierra, Nosler and others.

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from Olen Grimes wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

We had some members of our website, WWW.HUNTERSONLY.COM, recently ask for a board to chat about subjects like this, so we set up " Rifles, Pistols, and ShotgunsShare Info and Advice on Loads, Reloading, Sighting In, and Weapons in General ". I am not a re-loader, but I have learned a lot reading the posts being put up, and too much of anything is a bad idea, safety first. SP10GAUGE

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from Pit Boss wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I will concede a possible regional capability, but first consider..the fuzing required for a nuclear weapon to function properly. You could have a 65m weapon ( as the Russians did in 1978) but without the ability to control the weapon ( they subsequently evaporated an 1/8 of Novaya Zemyla) you only have a kinetic energy weapon. Targeting is another extremely difficult problem to tackle. I'm sure you already know the consequences of a ground burst ( the only option without proper fuzing), but with any warhead re-entering the atmosphere, or even a mere 1000klick shot, the fuzing must be precise to the T. You must realize that a warhead re-entering the atmosphere is traveling at Mach22 ( or above in some designs). This leaves no room for error.In order to be a nuclear power, you must have complete mastery of this science. The Chinese are nowhere near this ability. Russia, contrary to popular belief, is no longer a strong supporter of China ( would you support a country growing near your own nuclear strength nextdoor?) Yes, they do have some experimental detonation requirements, but they don't have a tenth of what they need to field a bonified weapon.Regarding N. Korea. You must ask yourself some fundamental questions. What would China ( here and now) have to gain from aiding N.Korea? Is there an economic growth potential? No. Is there some port China needs desperately? No. Would China support ( this day and age) an assualt on S. Korea? No. Why do you think the NoDong program is faltering so badly? So what if N.Korea shot a TaePoDong into the Sea of Japan. Iraq can field conventional missiles. Nuclear physics is much different than adding certain ingredients, cooking at a certain temp., and coming up with a viable nuclear warhead. I hope I didn't flame you, but there is so much B.S. in the news that people don't really know what to believe and it isn't their fault.

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from elvis wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Don't feed the trolls

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from Now that I know this, I will just sit back and wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Oh, so there is a limit on conversation here...

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from YOOMEG wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

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from Queer Fantasia wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I can spot 'em a mile away. They was two of 'em out in the parkin' lot a kissin'. I seen it when I got up this mornin'. Two peas in a pod, ya know what I mean? I mean, shit man! It's all on account of this here bottled water, I'm tellin' ya...saltpeter... they puttin' saltpeter in it... they ain't foolin' this ole boy none a'tall!

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from Fire Dancing Ninja wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

We are prepared to name the problem children-Subtle Ethnic Cleansing.......

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from alabamahunter wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Let's stick to firearms here people. Some of these idiots leaving gay crap on here are ruining it. If you don't have anything to add to the subject GO THE HELL AWAY!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

JBThe term overbore in this issue is use to define the use of a caliber/cartridge to do a certain job. A hunter would use a 22 long rifle on a squirrel, yet a 30/06 will destroy the critter. The problem with the big bore calibers like .338 diameters and larger is the limited availability to or narrow spectrum of propellants to use. For example, I would use IMR7828 in a 25-06 or 270 where the cartridge is larger in relationship to the smaller caliber/bore. IMR7828 is a very slow burning propellant and the use of a heavy grain bullet for this cartridge would be ideal. Take the 340 Weatherby magnum, IMR7828 would be way to slow, unless your using a 300 grain barnes bullet. Don’t recommend a 300-grain in any of the 338 magnums, the 250-grain I found to be the optimum in going heavy. The best propellants I have found are IMR4350 and IMR4831. In other words, as the bullet moves down the bore, the expansion of gas must be in proportion for the displacement of volume in relationship of the diameter of the bore and the distance the bullet has traveled. Smaller the bore, pressure will increase faster than larger bore.If a shooter can research and work up a load, they may achieve above factory specs. Hand loading a 30-06,you can load a 150-grain bullet with Winchester 748 or IMR4064 to 3100. That’s 200 fps over factory load.And why the hell did Federal come out with the 338 Federal, a 308 Winchester blown out to 338. Man, puzzles me. Make a good brush gun with 200 and 225 grain on deer. But Elk and Moose, NO WAY! Now that’s over bore!!! I’ll stick to my 30-06! I do own a 338 Win Mag, A-Bolt Browning and nothing walks away from it.

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from JB wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

The 340 Weatherby ain't no stinkin' overbore. The 22/378 Weatherby Eargesplitten Loudenboomer is. (Handbook for Shooters and Relaoders, Vol 2, by P.O. Ackley, pp. 141)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Ed J, you asked,How long is the barrel? 20 inches or 26 inches? That makes a difference.Good question that I know I can answer.Answer:A BIG DIFFERANCE! The only advantage you get out of a 20 inch over a 26 is making the rifle shorter, PERIOD! By shorting the barrel you drastically degrade the performance of the cartridge. If you had a 300 Win Mag and shooting a 150 grain bullet out of a 26 inch barrel and you shorten the barrel to 20 inches, you will loose approximately 30 feet per second per inch of lose. That’s 160 fps, more like 200 fps in this case and the blast is tremendous. You will better off shooting a 30-06, NO JOKE!A little factoid here: Take a 30-06 with a 24 inch barrel. If the chamber pressure is 52,000, the muzzle pressure (at 24 inches) will be 12,000. The pressure peaks approximately 2.5 inches into the barrel and drastically falls as the bullet travels down the barrel.Visit: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/resource/remington_charts/tableinfo.htmAn... question that I have been asked, how do I get more velocity out of my rifles like my 30-06 and 338 Win Mag. Easy answer but there is a little secret to it. First of all you must find a load with a powder that will give you the fastest velocity at the lowest pressure. In this forum, I found that Mr. David Petzal used the not so best of loads. He said, this past weekend, I worked up a handload for my Ultra Light Arms .340 Weatherby, a rifle I’ve owned since 1993. The .340 is actually .338 bore diameter, but where a .338 Winchester takes about 70 grains of powder to give a 250-grain bullet 2,600 fps, my Weatherby uses 88 grains to push the same slug at 2,775. So where did David go wrong? First load for his 250 grain with 70 grains of powder @ 2,600 sounds like he used something like IMR4320 and for his second load with 88 grains at 2,775 he used a real slow burning powder like IMR 7828. He first used a powder that is to fast and the second load to slow burning. IMR4350 and IMR4831 would have been my choices!I know what you’re going to ask!Ok Clay, what’s your secret and what would you have used for his 340 Weatherby when your 338 Win Mag is at 2810 fps with a 250 grain Nosler Partition. The best powders for big bore calibers is best served by using loads with IMR4350 and no slower than IMR4831. I use Federal 215 Large Rifle Magnum primers. And by the way, the rumor has it the closer the bullet to the groves of the barrel makes it more accurate varies like a fingerprint, case by case. And I can debate this one hands down. The Weatherby Rifle has a longer travels before contact with the rifling than other manufactures. Yet the accuracy is unchanged. The shorter the travel, the more the chamber pressure and velocity will rise, perhaps blowing the rifle barrel up. So be very careful in this mater in the overall length.And now my secret! For loads like my 25-06 and 30-06. When using IMR4831, I use Federal 215 magnum primers. Be very careful in doing this. By using a Magnum primer is like adding at least 3 to 4 more grains of powders. I only use Mag Primers with slow burning powders such as IMR 4831, Winchester 760 and Hodgens H870. H870 is no longer made and works great in my 25-06 with a 120 grain Nosler Partition.

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from Little Red Fauntlieroi wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

The citizens of planet Nutsac have appointed NewsGuy to reveal the truth of the tinfoil hat to all Earthlings...Help, I stuck a 220V EuroPlug up Mikey's ass, now I can't get it out....Queer Fantasia Buddy Hinton

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from Freedom Bobby wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Why don't you just tell us how you Feel? (ha) That was pretty flamboyant for a nice calm intellectual like you. But it is Time in America, for the faint hearted to come out of their shells, & tell it like it is. In all corners of this nation, in every tiny town, to major metropolis, the TRUTH must be told.I have read your posts, for 6 months on this Forum, & I can truly say you have been logical, brilliant, well informed, and articulate in all that you say. Of course, that just "inflames" the radical righties.For some reason, they know they cannot WIN with any facts, or references, or logic, or parroted Ditto Head speeches, so their only hope is in discrediting us. We are the only Voices of Reason, with a few other brave people who have a variety of monikers, I need not mention. I don't know if you have seen the awful smears against you written by a few weak minds on this Forum, but if you can Find one of these guys, you may have a slander case against him. I have taken the heat every time you go away for a couple of days, --- they are so paranoid that they even have accused ME of being YOU. It is so pathetic.Carry on, great torch bearer, of true Democracy.Oh, I think I finally discovered, after intense scrutiny, why nobody can get thru their mental barrier of arrogant, stubborn denial. Many times when we post a good description of something, with a paragraph or 2 of substantiating evidence, they come up with some off the wall retort that has no relevance to the subject at hand.After this occurred dozens of times, I suddenly realized that there are only a few possible reasons for this, (1) they are so illliterate they can't understand simple English, or (2) they are so brain-washed they cannot accept anything but their inbred Dogma, (3) they don't bother to actually READ what we write, before they jump into a frenzy to attack it. BUT EVEN MORE LIKELY (4) they have something akin to ADD. (attention deficit disorder). They cannot string 2 or 3 paragraphs together & arrive at any logical conclusion.This makes perfect sense. You cannot educate those with extremely short attention spans, because they cannot even look at it long enough to comprehend it. It is caused by some organic brain damage. They can't pay attention, & so they can't absorb or learn. Their ability to analyze data is severely impaired. THIS would explain a great deal of the illogical thinking, & unwillingness to learn exhibited by so many right wingers. NOT ALL OF THEM, but a large % of the ones I have seen on this Forum.Ordinarily, as a teacher or psychologist, I would feel sorry for those who have this problem. I have seen little kids with this, that would break your heart. THEY do not live their lives trying to insult & scream lies at others, & force their opinions on free-thinking adults. They are often quiet shy kids, or overly active (hyperactive) kids who require Ritalin or Skinnerian Behavior Modification to adjust them into society. BUT the adults who come here just to taunt and insult people, & try to FORCE their lies down our throats, are not to be pitied. If they would mind their own business, OR recognize their limits, & argue politely, I would never even bring it up.But you & I know that THIS IS NOT an attempt on their part to indulge in Debate, or pursue ideas, or try to find out the TRUTH. THIS is simply an opportunity for them to practice attacks, lies, smears, distortions, & the usual party line. (The hallmark of brain-washing & Fascism).So NOW that we recognize that much of the problem that our citizens are too dumb to vote, or only vote according to the Party line they were exposed to from birth --- is due to ADD. HOW CAN WE CURE THEM IN TIME? You can't grow a brain where one does not exist. In Human Anatomy course in Med School, I had to dissect a human cadaver 6 hrs a week. The last thing we dissected was the human brain, & I could not help but notice that it looked like any ordinary pile of hamburger sitting there. But I was looking thru blurry eyes, since witnessing 12 dead bodies get their skull torn open by a portable electric saw, and the sickening smell of formaldehyde was pretty thick in there. However, I grabbed my sharpened scalpel & dutifully sliced thru the middle of the brain to expose the cerebellum. With special attention to the pontine reticular formation of the hypothalamus. It was not much worse than dissecting the arms, trying not to break the tiny threads, that were Nerves. But the intricate parts of the brain, cannot be re-grown in the adult skull.However, I think a few of those pickled dead brains did contain more active gray matter, than many right wingers. --HA (A little bedside humor). So how do we find the cure?Perhaps we could organize a Hollywood Telethon, where people call in to donate money to buy a brain (slightly used) for transplant into impaired people on the right. It might even be an improvement. In George Bush's case, we agreed that even a chimp brain would be an improvement.Now ordinarily I would feel sorry for somebody like Geo Bush, who can't help it if he ain't too bright. BUT FOR THE FACT he is trying to use his precious few resources in that dept, to destroy our 227 year old Democracy. And to send our precious children into harm's way, to fight a War that we didn't even need to fight. This is unforgiveable.Why do they idolize Bush, with so many short comings & flaws? He lies, fabricates evidence, has a cabinet full of greedy corporate thieves, goes AWOL during the Viet Nam war, & deliberately cuts veterans benefits, pollution standards, & GIVES AWAY our Budget SURPLUS (which is made up of OUR taxpayer's money --- NOT HIS) to his greedy corrupt GOP industrialists.Oh, by the way, --- the NEW MEDICARE REFORM? Why does it help the Pharmaceutical industry much MORE than it does the Senior Citizens? Hmmm Could it be due to Don Rumsfeld being involved DEEPLY with 2 or 3 pharmaceutical corps? The graft & corruption of Bush's Cabinet alone, would fill up the West Wing of Alcatraz. And we'd need to annex more.BUT HERE IS THE SECRET OF THE POPULARITY of GEORGE BUSH. He is a perfect Role Model for Bad Boys, the ones who were always in trouble, the ones who were never too bright, the ones who sneaked off to recess during math class, the guys who felt uneasy around books & intellectuals. George is their perfect icon, showing that WEAK minds can LEAD a whole country, that alcoholics can succeed, that the good old boys can throw the bull enough, to cover up all the poop in his Oval Office. And even invent W-M-D for him.

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from Juice wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Shut the fu*& up about politics dumba**es.

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from looking for cowboy policeman and constrction wrker wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

looking for cowboy policeman and construction worker[URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2731/guamwy3.jpg[/IMG][/URL]Shot at 2007-07-16

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

ANOTHER CRACKHEAD!

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from Shenyin Wanguo Securities wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I hear post-op shemales are the best

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from His Majesty, Obama wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

HERE IS YOUR NEW BLACK GOD! WHEE! OBAMA WILL FIX EVERYTHING! HURRY! HOT! VOTE FOR CHANGE! VOTE FOR OBAMA! OOH! HOT! HE IS SO BLACK! HURRRY! HOT HOT HOT!Queer Fantasia Buddy Hinton ha ha hehe

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from Buddy Hinton wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I spank you bunny rabbit with hot Chinese noodle!!! Oog! You like! Smacksmack! Urrrrhg!YOU ARE POOR AND FRUSTRATED BECAUSE YOU ARE UN-EDUCATED.YOU ARE IN FOR ONE HELL OF A LONG WAIT AS YOU SIT THERE ON YOUR BUTT WAITING FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (ANY PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES) TO HAND YOU THE WORLD ON A SILVER PLATTER.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

HILLARY?Defiantly has a Overbore Capacity!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Ed J, you asked,How long is the barrel? 20 inches or 26 inches? That makes a difference.Good question that I know I can answer.Answer:A BIG DIFFERANCE! The only advantage you get out of a 20 inch over a 26 is making the rifle shorter, PERIOD! By shorting the barrel you drastically degrade the performance of the cartridge. If you had a 300 Win Mag and shooting a 150 grain bullet out of a 26 inch barrel and you shorten the barrel to 20 inches, you will loose approximately 30 feet per second per inch of lose. That’s 160 fps, more like 200 fps in this case and the blast is tremendous. You will better off shooting a 30-06, NO JOKE!A little factoid here: Take a 30-06 with a 24 inch barrel. If the chamber pressure is 52,000, the muzzle pressure (at 24 inches) will be 12,000. The pressure peaks approximately 2.5 inches into the barrel and drastically falls as the bullet travels down the barrel.Visit: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/resource/remington_charts/tableinfo.htmAn... question that I have been asked, how do I get more velocity out of my rifles like my 30-06 and 338 Win Mag. Easy answer but there is a little secret to it. First of all you must find a load with a powder that will give you the fastest velocity at the lowest pressure. In this forum, I found that Mr. David Petzal used the not so best of loads. He said, this past weekend, I worked up a handload for my Ultra Light Arms .340 Weatherby, a rifle I’ve owned since 1993. The .340 is actually .338 bore diameter, but where a .338 Winchester takes about 70 grains of powder to give a 250-grain bullet 2,600 fps, my Weatherby uses 88 grains to push the same slug at 2,775. So where did David go wrong? First load for his 250 grain with 70 grains of powder @ 2,600 sounds like he used something like IMR4320 and for his second load with 88 grains at 2,775 he used a real slow burning powder like IMR 7828. He first used a powder that is to fast and the second load to slow burning. IMR4350 and IMR4831 would have been my choices!I know what you’re going to ask!Ok Clay, what’s your secret and what would you have used for his 340 Weatherby when your 338 Win Mag is at 2810 fps with a 250 grain Nosler Partition. The best powders for big bore calibers is best served by using loads with IMR4350 and no slower than IMR4831. I use Federal 215 Large Rifle Magnum primers. And by the way, the rumor has it the closer the bullet to the groves of the barrel makes it more accurate varies like a fingerprint, case by case. And I can debate this one hands down. The Weatherby Rifle has a longer travels before contact with the rifling than other manufactures. Yet the accuracy is unchanged. The shorter the travel, the more the chamber pressure and velocity will rise, perhaps blowing the rifle barrel up. So be very careful in this mater in the overall length.And now my secret! For loads like my 25-06 and 30-06. When using IMR4831, I use Federal 215 magnum primers. Be very careful in doing this. By using a Magnum primer is like adding at least 3 to 4 more grains of powders. I only use Mag Primers with slow burning powders such as IMR 4831, Winchester 760 and Hodgens H870. H870 is no longer made and woks great in my 25-06 with a 120 grain Nosler Partition.

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from Sarge wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Hey” Queer Fantasia Buddy Hinton, you need to start listening to Barry Manilow and chill out! First of all I don’t take what people say personally, I just consider the source! AND MAN< YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE!By the way Queer Fantasia Buddy Hinton, there looking for crash dummies at Volks Wagon.

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from Queer Fantasia Buddy Hinton wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

You are the audience. I outrank you! 'I do not need channels to voice my message.' I don't need you, fool. For when I said I use these two to carry my word into the world, I wasn't kidding. That's the second lie you told. It will cost you even more of your mind, mindless one. I don't tolerate such injustices and filth like you.I never did. I only allow your mindless twitter to continue, so that others may also learn just what and who you truly are. You are not Divine. You are hated by God. You lied to the world again and again, saying these two girls are the same person. For this lurid attempt to destroy yet two more feminine children of mine, I shall shatter your mind in four more pieces for the four names of mockery you dared utter against these two innocent victims, who dared to write down my words exactly as I spoke them. Did you think I would not return to you what you sought to lay upon these two good girls, who I sent into the world to take out you and your filthy kind? Want to bet I don't talk like this?This crap you wrote and send out to the entire world about me will cost you dearly. I don't -foot around. I intend to take out more than your lights, you dark one who dared call himself ME. I am not you, nor will I ever be.If you think I can't and don't and won't and will not continue to use people I love as guides and channels and voices I speak through, think again, little faggot queen. I don't use queers and s and demon whores and would-be studs, a.k.a. Sai fag queens, to ever bring my word to any people anywhere, not in any time or dimension or plane or "heaven" or fun house like earth.unicorns are sexy in riding boots.I had been hearing about the glamorous, scandalous, sexy Mitford sisters for years ... the fiery and sexy Communist, Unity the glamorous and sexy she-Nazi, ...

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from Thor Heyerdahl wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

HILLARY WILL SMASH THE BELLYFAT AND RIP THE CARBS OUT OF THE SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAMME WHILE ELIMINATING SUGARY COLAS AND TATER TOTS. SHE'S GOING TO BLISTER YOUR BIG FAT BOTTOMS RAW, PEOPLE! YOU SILLY GERBILS WANT IT IN THE BUTT AND HILLARY WILL DAMNED SURE SEE TO IT THAT YOU GET IT AND SHE WILL TAX THE HOLY SMOKING CRAP OUT OF THE POORPEOPLE (WHO MAY NOT WANT IT IN THE BUTT, BUT THEY SURE AS HELL LOVE TO SMOKE TOBACCO AND DRINK BEER) WITH HER NEW "ENHANCED WELLNESS FUNDING INITIATIVES" WHICH WILL ACCELLERATE THE "TOBACCO SETTLEMENT" AND THE ONGOING GENERAL ECONOMIC PERSECUTION OF SMOKERS AND DRINKERS AND AUTOMOBILISTS.BEND OVER, AMERICA, "CHANGE" IS COMIN' AT YA! IT'S GOING TO FLY RIGHT UP YOUR BUTTS LIKE A GRITTY SAGUARO CACTUS!!!** UNLESS THE CHINESE BEAT HER TO IT..."Doodlebops".... Gayer than "Teletubbies"?

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from Goat OrchestraSchizophrenia wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

We take over You soon. You see! We fix Hillary right away. Then your get free acupuncture and lifetime job for every american! You like! No more SUV. Never lay off! No more fatty meat. No more commute! No more mortgage! You live in big factory, make big quota, be happy!China Make New World Order!

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from Archibald MacLeish wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Look, buddy, we got a union, see? We got us a solid, foursquare, rock-ribbed union and we ain't gonna pull no shifts, see? The Germans are coming to beat you up again. They should arrive around four-ish or so. Once they stomp your sniveling French asses and process your Muslim invaders, they are going to march on down to Israel and blister their little bleating bottoms, too. Then I suppose that they will stomp the Saudis and get all that sweet, light crude to impel their powerful Mercedes down their delightful autobahns...

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from Wu Yung Ho wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

"I try to shoot at least l0 rounds per day for 3 months prior to my trips west""I wish I had the time, money and a place to shoot a thousand rounds a year"you a caucasian

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from Gunslinger wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I wish I had the time, money and a place to shoot a thousand rounds a year, or better yet, to burn out a bbl on my 30-06's. Most of us don;t have the time, or take the time to pratice these days. I do get to go to the Rocky Mountains about every year or two and then I begin to pratice with cheapo ammo untill ready for the final test and zero's if the 0 is off. No questions need be ask, most hunters don;t pratice enough. I;ve been on hunts where a guy comes out with a new gun, scope, sling, etc. and tells the guide its bore sighted at 100 yds per the salesperson at Wal-marts??????. My, how the guide love this. I;ve also been on hunts where a older guy like myself has an old gun, sometimes with the stock taped together. This is the guy who fills his tags early, as he knows how to shot just by looking at his gun.Too many so-called hunters think a magazine of ammo shot is sufficient to kill a trophy, sadly it isn;t. I try to shoot at least l0 rounds per day for 3 months prior to my trips west. As last year I killed 2 animals in excess of 300 yds with one shot to each animal. That is beyond my "rather zone" of 200 yds, but the landscape in the western states will fool you, there- fore, by all means take a rangefinder and use if you have time. I prefer the buddy system, 2 guys hunting together. But sometimes its only you. Just make sure you shot for the Vitals and hold-tight. Then ease the trigger back and PRAY. Good luck and happy hunting. Enjoy the next hunt, as it could be your last.

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from Juice wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Somebody is definately here talking about transees and it ain't me mothafu*^er. They're using my name.

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from Ed J wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

ClayHow long is the barrel? 20 inches or 26 inches? That makes a difference.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

Jimmy is confused. He said he’s married to a transsexual and can not make up his mind is it the tits or the balls he is attracted to!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

So Dave, do you have way too much money or are you just crazy?

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from Jimmy wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

A life of shemale porn and golf. Who could ask for anything more? -I also go to the black community and give speeches in an effort to uplift the people. Someone out there has been reading their gay oriented newsletters!!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

72 grains of IMR4350, Federal 215 primer and a Hornady 225 grain runs across the cronny at 3000fps

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

338 Winchester takes about 70 grains of powder to give a 250-grain bullet 2,600 fps.What powder you using!70 grains of IMR4350, Federal 215 primer and a Nosler 250 grain partition runs across the cronny at 2815fps!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I personally think most folks don't shot enought to be good shots, much less wear out a barrel.agreeIt's just not that easy any more to step out the back door and shoot as I did as a kid. We would burn way over 2,000 rounds each on a good weekend2k? NFA??? wtf?

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from Jim wrote 6 years 39 weeks ago

I'm being on the way past 50 side of things, I've saw and have barrels shoot out even in the .222 & .243. I have a Remington .243 on it's 3rd barrel, but to me when group size gets much past .75" I have no use for the barrel.My Dad shot a S & W .357 so much the backstrap was not repairable per S & W. He had gotten his wear out of it and simple bought another. I have his third one and still shoot it today some.I personally think most folks don't shot enought to be good shots, much less wear out a barrel. It's just not that easy any more to step out the back door and shoot as I did as a kid. We would burn way over 2,000 rounds each on a good weekend at P. Dogs and never even get off our own farms. We had a 600 yard range about 100 yards from the house and I hunted every day of Nebraska's Pheasant season. Today I'm luck to get in 10 days of Pheasant hunting. P. Dogs are limited to 6 or 8 trips a year and less than 20,000 rounds.Now I spend a great deal of time training folks how to shot CVA Muzzleloaders and my many rifles will get way over 25,000 rounds sent down there barrels each year. Tomorrow is a FREE GAMO Air Rifle Shoot at the Kansas City, Kansas Cabela's where I'll be taking 15,000 pellets and plan to come home without any. I hope every kid and every kid at heart gets to shoot until they are tired! I provide everything from the guns, pellets, balloons, animal crackers and all kinds of fun targets. I'm just trying to pass the shooting sports on to every kid I meet. Same for fishing.

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from R Dorn wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

I spent the better part of this afternoon trying to locate the "gunsmithlocator.com" web link at Midway without success. I also did several searches without luck. Is it a phantom of someone's imagination or what? I've been trying to locate a gunsmith named Roderiquez for several years...ever since seeing a picture of Craig Boddington's "Roderiquez 7x57 custom mauser" Can anybody direct?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

The 30 carbine is efficient for light game and people, especially in a defensive situation. What dumba** would think about using it for big game anyway loser?

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from Jimmy wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

Overbore capacity is only a state of mind for any regular person. Magnums and high velocity are the only barrel burning factor and aren't prevalent until you shoot thousands of rounds. Besides, if you can create higher bc's by even a little bit, you should load that baby hotter.

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from Joey wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

Are handguns up to burn out or is it just rifles that use the bigger power charges?

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from Eric wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

I shoot my 330 Wby a lot and I shoot it fast, just like you would if a follow up shot is necessary and it just keeps shooting TIGHT groups with about any load I put in it. Same for the 257 WBY and the 270 WIN. Whatever throat burn does take place will never make a differnce in a hunting rifle. Burn away!!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

I read an article about cartridge efficiency in one of the gun rags a couple of years ago. It was done by one of the more credible writers, although I can remember who. Anyway, it addressed cartridge efficiency as energy and lethality factors versus the amount of powder burned. I was surprised that the .257 Roberts Ackley Improved and the .35 Whelen Improved were at the top of the heap. The .308 Win was right there too, as I recall.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

Dave-Is that .340 for sale?

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from Yongary wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

"I agree that bore or throat erosion are overrated for modern firearms."I agree, many sportsmens' rifles rarely see 20 bullets a year, especially using expensive ammo, but some people fire over 3000/year easily, so it is still a concern in some rifles

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from Jim wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

According to the theorists, the little .30 M1 Carbine round is about as efficient as you can get. However, the 30. Carbine round makes a lousy big-game cartridge. One thing we must not do is confuse efficiency with effectiveness. A .340 Weatherby may not be that efficient, but it surely is effective against anything that walks the earth. There's no doubt as to which kind of firearm I'd rather be carrying when the game is tough or the ranges are long, or both!

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

I agree that bore or throat erosion are overrated for modern firearms.Short of, say, a varmit hunter that shoots the same weapon for 30-40 years, you'll never put enough shells through a regularly maintained gun to make a difference.That said, magnums are generally answers in search of a question. Particularly true of the uber-magnums.

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from Thos. B. Fowler wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

I remember the dire warnings about overbore capacity, too...and have to admire something like the little .222---so efficient, and does a number of chores well, quietly, inexpensively. But, like Robbie Frost observed, something there is that doesn't like a fence--and sensible cartridges seem doomed for the bigger bang.Recently, I had to load up some standard 8mm rounds for a backup rifle for an elk hunt...and this round, which I had sort of lumped in with the '06 as an overbore round, turned out to be just right when loaded with H380 and a 180 gr. Barnes boat tail. It was even a mildly compressed load, which brought back memories of Dad loading his old 7mm with surplus powder that way. 'It cannot be overbore...hear it crunch?'I suppose that as long as we have the marvelous American mind at work, we will have campfire arguments over the 'fences' of calibers and perfect loadings. It is in the nature of America.Tom Fowler

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from Steve imposter #53 wrote 6 years 40 weeks ago

Well if you can't increase B.C. it's all you got

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