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April 14, 2008

The Truth Revealed!

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

One of the rules of probability states that if you forced a million chimps to type for a million years, they would eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare, or "It Takes a Village," I forget which. Similarly, the endless stream of Clinton/Obama verbiage was bound to produce a nugget or two of truth, and a couple of days ago, we got a couple.

According to Barrack Obama, citizens who are bitter about their economic hardships "…cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them…" as a way to explain their frustrations. Hillary, sensing blood, immediately called him an elitist, and went on to say that "Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it’s a constitutional right."

Barack Obama (Harvard Law) is of course an elitist, and he is an urban elitist, and among these folk, interest in or ownership of firearms is viewed as anything from a quaint aberration to a dangerous form of psychosis. Hillary is, if anything, more of an elitist, and what is really fascinating about her statement is her use of the word "believe." Believe means that you think something may be true, but you can’t prove it, so you have to go part of the way on faith.

"I believe the Yankees will blow it again this year."

"I believe I’m going to throw up."

Hillary Clinton (Yale Law) does not necessarily accept the Second Amendment as the law of the land. If you believe in it, she says, it is the law. If you don’t believe in it, by implication, it isn’t.

In the meanwhile, Hillary (who as First Lady urged Congress to buck the gun lobby; at least I think the word was buck) continues to prattle about her father teaching her to shoot, and Governor Ed Rendell, who is one of the worst of the anti-gun governors, blathers on about the great traditions of hunting and sportsmanship in Pennsylvania.

I believe I’m going to throw up.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 2 days ago

Mike Diehl:I'm 58 years old. If I haven't grown up yet, I probably never will!Your comparison of GWB to Jimmy Carter makes me want to barf! When Carter was president, I used to have to appologize for applying for jobs. Yeah, things are a bit tough right now. Our President is taking steps to alleviate these problems. Carter blamed the problems on us! He called it a "National Malaise".Also, this President is a PATRIOT. Carter has spent a major portion of the recent past (since Nixon's funeral) criticizing and undermining his country.Go to a rummage sale. Buy a history book (U.S. History). Buy a government book. Read before you speak!YooperJack

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 2 days ago

@Yoop -When you grow up, I'll start reading your stuff.@Peter -"If your runnin down Pres. Reagan though."I'm not. Just posting facts about the spending levels that anyone can look up for themselves. Reagan made Americans feel good at a time when Americans were feeling pretty thoroughly hosed, and that was a good thing. In many ways, I think President Bush (the current one) has more in common with President Carter than any president in between.What I'd like is a true conservative president. One who asks for and by leadership and negotiation gets a balanced budget, and who doesn't need to play gimmicky accounting games to do it. I'd also like one with more regard for the US Constitution than we've seen in many decades.Unfortunately, there aren't any Harry Trumans in this race and none "on the horizon" in any party.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 2 days ago

SA:This is the problem with Washington. It happens all the time with different issues on the table. This situation is realy ironic, however, because the original problem, with respct to homeowners, is really quite small. Most of us have lived in our homes for several years. Whether or not my home has lost value recently, its still worth a bit more than I paid for it. We raised four kids here. I'm lucky its worth anything! Also, the mortgage problem appears to be in roughly 4 per cent of the mortgages. The vast majority of homeowners are making their payments on time.What's really astounded me is the amount of credit card debt that some people carry. I've seen figures between 30K and 100K and thes people are now strapped! How could they let this happen?Aside; GIVE YOUR SON A GIANT THANK YOU HUG FROM ALL OF US!He's the reason that we can write our drivel on these blogs.YooperJack

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 2 days ago

Here is a good example of how this finanacial crisis is not all GWB's fault (unless you consider Barney Frank, D-MA, a Bush standard bearer?).Rep Barney Frank has introduced a $300 BILLION dollar plan to expand the Federal Housing Administration's bail-out of troubled homeowners. The plan is lose-lose for lenders who must agree to accept at most 90% of subject home's current value on a primary lien (remember that home values have dropped up to 25% in many areas) and only up to 1% of the home's current value on secondary liens. Of course if our intrepid homeowner later sells at a profit the lenders are still out in the cold; any profit would be shared with the good Komrads at FHA!The multiple disasters that this will cause include pushing already troubled lenders out of business, gunshy investors will pull their money out of the Collateralized Mortgage Obligation (CMO) market just as fast as they can (further drying up private mortgage funding), foreign lenders will not only tighten up or pull out they may also take legal actions to forestall the plan or sue borrowers for the difference.This is one huge example of an oversized Democratic plan which is poorly conceived and truly another step toward Socialism in our own nation! GWB didn't have a thing to do with it but dares not veto it.SA

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from Peter wrote 6 years 2 days ago

To Mike,Ya I know. about the word "Hurt" Just tryin to be nice. If I said what I really thought about what those Presidents did ..I might be barred from the blog.If your runnin down Pres. Reagan though. Im sorry but I disagree with ya man. No President is perfect. But Reagan came dang near close. He also had backbone to deal with problems that a certain President before him did not.(IRAN right of the get-go) He did his best to reduce taxes and to start to get bureaucracy out of our lives. His 2 terms in office gave this country a badly needed boost in moral as well as ecomically. I could get into details but thats a good summary.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 2 days ago

Mike Diehl:Okay, in addition to your History shortfall, you're also a bit shy in Government.The U.S. Constitution clearly states; "All appropriations bills must originate in the House of Representatives". The President can ask for items in his budget. The budget, however, must come from the house.Many Republican House (and Senate)members were caught up in greed over the last seven years. They paid bigtime in the 2006 election. GWB was also at fault in not using his veto pen. You look at that and see evil. I look at that and see someone who was trying to be bi-partisan. At any rate, the spending ran amok!While the deficit is bad right now, there is nothing written in stone that this problem cannot be overcome. Computer geeks say that the future in this industry is rife with future improvements. If this industry grows with new tech, that tech will probably come from here. I see more people looking for "Made in China" on products in stores. Specifically to avoid those products.I believe that it is far to early to judge this administration. I would probably feel differently if Iraqi War Vets were having to appologize for applying for jobs.YooperJack

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 2 days ago

"LBJ, Carter, Clinton, From what I have studied in history...in the past 50 years, these have hurt the country very badly."I think you have a very subjective and inconsistent standard of "hurt.""Their "social" programs, "global trade" policies hurt this country very badly."Hmm. Bear in mind that the first president to borrow against Social Security bonds was Ronald Reagan. On the other hand, were you to identify Medicare and Medicaid as BIG looming "hurts" you'd be correct, because their future slice of the budget can only increase. Was anyone to propose eliminating these programs, I'd support 'em. The other "big hurt" in our budget is defense spending. The way to avoid that is to fight the necessary wars (like Afghanistan) and not fight the unnecessary ones (like Iraq)."Im not sure where I really stand on GWB senior or the current GWB."Understandable. Was it down to JUST finances, the two are similar. But IMO G.H.W. Bush was a lot smarter than his son for many good reasons.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 2 days ago

Ah. Well, at least if you are worried about bankruptcy, then one could reasonably infer that one ought to be concerned with finances.Deficit spenders, non-social security expenditures paid for by increasing the US National Debt, in order of expense:1. George W. Bush(23% in 2002, 32% in 2003)2. George H.W. Bush (28%)3. Ronald W. Reagan (25%)4. Richard M. Nixon/Gerald R. Ford (14%)7. James E. Carter (13%)8-9. William J. Clinton/Lyndon B. Johnson/John F. Kennedy (6% all)10. Dwight D. Eisenhower (3%)Of these admins, the ONLY ones to NOT deficit spend for at least one fiscal year during their terms were William J. Clinton, John F. Kennedy (prior to his death), and Dwight D. Eisenhower. The last president to consistently preside over balanced budgets was Harry S. Truman.And that is most unfortunate, because the current admin has not only the highest deficit spending record (proportion of non-social security spending funded by debt increase), but it also has the highest standard dollar debt, and the third highest standard dollar debt-per-household ratio (the first two highest debt/household years being 1943 and 1944)."You are a blahblahblah..."Whatever.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 3 days ago

LBJ, Carter, Clinton, From what I have studied in history...in the past 50 years, these have hurt the country very badly.Their "social" programs, "global trade" policies hurt this country very badly.Im not sure where I really stand on GWB senior or the current GWB.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 3 days ago

Mike Diehl:You seem to have a lot of facts. How did you acquire this knowledge, never having taken a history course?I can't believe that any person, either mentally aware between 1977 and 1981, or having studied U.S. History since, could call GWB the worst POTUS in 180 years. While I believe that Carter was a MORON, who came pretty close to bankrupting this country, I can make a case that LBJ might have been the worst ever. Remember Viet Nam? His Great Society destroyed the family as the basic societal unit within the Black American Community.You are a victim of Main Stream Media. Some unknown philosopher once said "A lie, if repated enough becomes the truth". Our media has proved that, especially in your case.YooperJack

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 3 days ago

I think I can assuage some of your concerns, S.A. Any treaty that a US President decides is important has to be ratified by the US Senate, so if there really ARE any real conservatives left in the GOP, "radical change" is going to be a non-starter. Moreover, neither a signed treaty, nor a unanimous UNSec Council (or Generall Assembly) resolution are exempt from US Supreme Court judicial review. Sen. Clinton as president COULD direct our UNSec representative to declare firearms ownership an affront to human rights, was she willing to waste lots of political capital. But even so, the USSJC could simply say that "the 2nd Amendment trumps such proclamations, end of debate."As to Bush, I do not agree that the US military is better off now than it was in 1999. Most of the general staff don't seem to think so either. I do not agree that Pres. Clinton ripped intel, I think he was simply going along with a policy that had been extant since Reagan's 2nd term in office. In any case, George W. Bush, the lesser man in any comparison with any President in the last 180 years, would probably have ignored good intel had it been placed on his desk with heaven's own signet ring stamped on it in wax as validation.Subprime lending isn't the cause of the current crisis. Subprime ACCOUNTABILITY is the cause. The reason why the taxpayer is bailing out Bear Sterns is because no one on this planet can figure out what these "asset backed securities" are really worth. THAT only happens when greedy execs exploit lax regulatory oversight in order to pull the wool over investors' eyes.Moreover, the loss of some (IIRC) $500 billion US dollars in the current capitol evaporation event is nothing compared to the coming crisis from deficit spending. The claim is made that the absence of capitol makes it hard for US investors and industries to make improvements or innovations.So, how badly do you think the loss of THREE TRILLION dollars of US capitol (George W. Bush's contribution to the National Debt -- bearing in mind that Pres. Clinton ran a budget SURPLUS and paid down the debt) will harm our economy?Remember. That money is GONE. All that's been left to determine is who'se gonna get stuck with the check after all the other diners disappear from the table.As for the rebate. It's not as bad as you think. If people put that money in banks rather than spend it, the money is immediately available to be loaned by the banks to businesses and industries that need money for capital improvements, home loans, and the like. But it's not remotely as good a fix as eliminating deficit-spending.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 3 days ago

To add:I repeat that the most dangerous threat in this race is Hillary because she will sign a treaty which in one stroke of the pen will make all of GWBs signings look miniscule. The UN treaty will do so much harm to our nation by puting so many Rights into the UN hands rather than our Sovereign Nation's people's hands.SA

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 3 days ago

MikeGood points but...Our military is in pretty GOOD shape versus when GWB took the stairs to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave for the first time! Slick willy raped the intelligence community and didn't treat the military with much more respect! Certainly there are individual Soldiers coming back from Iraq with low morale and suicidal tendencies but by and large the Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines have excellent esprit de corps and motivation. The left-leaning media plays up the few and ignores the many! I know first hand; my son got back from Iraq a week ago, proud of the job he and his unit did and describing the average Iraqi as hardworking and happy to see us there. The media saying all Iraqis hate us is like them saying all Los Angeles' citizens are either illegal gang members or cops.When we turn to the economy most of the policies that brought us to our current -- very serious -- crisis predate this administration and that of WJC. Subprime lending has been with us for ages and it serves us well in good economic times. People who would otherwise not be able to buy homes, cars etc are able to do so and pay the higher monthly payments with OT. Once the economy retracts and OT dries up money gets tighter for people on the margin the same people who are forced to borrow at higher rates... The jobs created by home purchases and the necessary appliances that go along with them drive the economy.Artificially injecting these additional rebates into the economy is on the other hand a costly solution which will only drag the problem out longer and probably deepen it in the end. If we need to do anything then we should be brokering with the lenders to reduce interest rates on the most vulnerable, we should be creating jobs where they are most lacking by offering incentives to employers for doing so, we should be demanding that our trading partners are as open to our exports as we are to theirs and we should be looking long range with education programs to elevate the vulnerable out of the 'subprime' catagory permanently.GWB could certainly do better on some of the economic issues but I do not regret at all voting for him twice!SA

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 3 days ago

"Hey Mike, when I referenced the Kool Aid, I..."You was being a jerk, so I gave you some of your own form of rebuttal. I'll lighten up now and get back on topic."You're living under an assumption..."No, I'm not. This has nothing at all to do with Gore. You don't know how he'd have responded to 9-11. I don't know either. I do think he's a better man in every way than the current pres. I also think that ANYONE, Gore or for that matter any GOP president would, in Bush's shoes, not have so derailed our war on terror by invading Iraq. It was simply a really dumb choice. A nice legal UN sanctioned choice, but a dumb move. Why we think we need to be the UN's "enforcer" is beyond me. The consequence of the Iraq war is that we are less safe both domestically and overseas from terrorists because we have been diverted from a good mission in Afghanistan. We are less militarily ready than at any time since 1940. And we are less economically safe than at any time since 1929.Economic threats particularly concern me. You simply CAN'T spend the way that Bush spends and sustain the US economy. Someone has to pay for that spending. Sooner or later that spending MUST come home to us as a tax increase, or else it MUST come home to us in a drastic reduction in the US Armed forces and elimination of most other Fed programs, or else we MUST default on the debt. All three of those choices stink."Gore would've..."You don't know squat about what Gore would do but what you're fed in the way of sound byte put downs from idiots who are counting on you to be stupid enough to believe everything they tell you to believe."At any rate, you totally ignore that we were attacked."That is incorrect. I am quite aware that we were attacked. We were NOT attacked by Iraq or anyone IN Iraq. Therefore, the US and Coalition playing enforcer or "topple the dictator" was both a waste of money and a distraction from the real mission."Also, you ignore the phenomenon that military gear, while tested extensively &c"Not sure to what you are referring here. The tech cycle is what it is. We'd be alot better off if our equipment wasn't breaking down and overcommitted in Iraq on a fool's errand."You and one other frequent writer are the most critical of GWB."Yes I am. I am very critical of GWB for three reasons.1. Spending like a drunken sailor.2. Sending the US armed forces on a fool's errand in Iraq, thereby making the US less safe.3. Signing statments by which the exec branch has engaged in an unpredicidented totalitarianist power grab.The effects are vastly increased economic risk, vastly reduced defense capability, and vastly broadened perception in gov't circles that the gov't really doesn't have to give a damb about the rule of law or citizens' rights.Here's a thought. Probably, for good or ill, a democratic party candidated will be the pres. Imagine if Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton assume the same degree of executive privilege in the use of signing statements that the person currently staining the office of the US Presidency has assumed. It isn't a pretty thought.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 3 days ago

Plus low if any benefits

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from Peter wrote 6 years 3 days ago

P.S. No, that doesn't make sense.My Granpa worked for GM for 40 years in tool and die out of the Grand Rapids plant there. So i know a little what your talking about.Hey yall here about GM paying people to quit/retire earsly. so they can hire people in under a new contracts which don't offer the benefits and retirement programs and lower wages. So in other words the person they payed to retire early was making say 25 dollars an hr. the person to replace that exact same position might only get 17 dollars an hour.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 3 days ago

To Jim,Thanks for the feedback. Sorry if I was a "prick" myself. That does clear up things up some.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 3 days ago

Peter,P.S.,Baby Boomers? Hell I thought you weren't even old enough to be a diaper on a baby booomer.Once again sorry for being a jerk but don't like people putting down what they haven't really looked into.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 3 days ago

Peter,I'll try to enlighten you, and this time I'll try not to be such a prick. Your post caught me in a bad mood which is no excuse. I appologize. But your remarks about people should be able to do other people's work? Man what outsiders don't know (I worked for Ford for 37yrs) is that management proposed that any skilled tradesman should be able to cross the lines of demarkation and finish a job that isn't within their skill-or trade. So that essentially means a millwright or any other trade, in order to finish a job, could do the work of an electrician, or tinner or hvac? Doesn't make any sense man, would I want my house, shop or outhouse built in this manner?

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from Peter wrote 6 years 3 days ago

And I will probably be hated for this but. As to baby boomers. You dropped the ball. Now my generation will left with your pieces. I know thats not everyone.And probably most the people reading the blog don't fit into that category.Thanks for putting up with my comments people.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 3 days ago

I may not have work experience. But I do know some history. I know unions gave good hard working Americans a voice in their workplace. A company couldn't just fire anybody. They better have a dang good reason. But nowday's its turned more into a bureaucracy thats killing jobs. Also keep in mind that government agencies have gotten more involved in private business, and also require certain standards and rights for people.Ford has gotten so bad, people will turn other people, for supposedly doing "their work". Thats good? enlighten me! Someone get turned in for just trying to be a hard worker and be productive? enlighten me!Your right I have no idea...so ENLIGHTEN ME!I just see the results. O and to the people who are complaining about the "young generation" not knowing where this countries going....who raised those kids. Whos letting the school system do what they want and teach what they want to them. How about who voted in those people that have screwed our government over for the past 70 years.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 3 days ago

Hey Mike, when I referenced the Kool Aid, I didn't recommend that you spike it! Apparently you did.You're living under an assumption that, had Al Gore been elected, he would've talked to al Qaida, and we would'nt have been attacked. Or possibly, after the 9/11 attack, Gore would've sent a crack team of FBI agents to Afghanistan (probably headed by Hillary since she's experienced in dodging sniper fire on landing) to arrest al Qaida.At any rate, you totally ignore that we were attacked. Both the response to the attack and preventative measures to prevent future attacks cost money. Also, you ignore the phenomenon that military gear, while tested extensively, isn't perfectly designed for conditions encountered on the actual battlefield. Retooling costs money.You and one other frequent writer are the most critical of GWB. The other guy is retired. Has several firearms. Recently bought a new one. Spends the entire fall hunting in about 4 different states, and rants about how bad the economy is.It just doesn't add up>YooperJack

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from Peter wrote 6 years 3 days ago

Common Jim I wanna hear some feedback. Chew me out. Lets go.Jim Mo.Apr. 15 8:14 pm if anybody's interested.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 4 days ago

Jim Mo,about your comment to me. and about Labor Unions.About your comment about keeping my mouth shut. Im afraid I cant do that.Im sorry for whatever happened to you on the job and that the company didn't take responsiblity. Ill admit if a union was there that would not have happened.Due to the fact Im a senior in High school, you got me on the fact that I am not apart of the work force yet and havn't had to deal yet with the crap that goes on sometimes. But I will within a few weeks.My Dads Retirement( he worked for UPS for 30 years) is from the Teamsters. So, sir, I do know about Unions. I know theres good things about them.However I personally know somebody whos getting screwed over becuase, lazy, low-liffers voted a union into their tool and die shop. Now the skilled workers are getting screwed over.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 4 days ago

Jump off a bride is funnier than jump off a bridge but I meant the latter.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 4 days ago

"Lay off the MSM Koolaid for a couple of weeks!"Go jump off a bride, ya lout."Because this administration was so bullheaded on tax cuts, we were able to avoid a very serious recession when GWB took over."Boy, when you lick neofascists boots you really apply your tongue. Bush's presidency has been a straight up flat out undeniable economic catastrophe. Every citizen born into the US today suffers a $30K birth tax, because of Bush's tax n spend n spend n spend n spend n spend n spend n spend n spend policies. The worst part is that he's running up this huge debt all for someone else's benefit."Had he not implemented those tax cuts, we might have seen a full blown depression after 9/11."When you pick your propaganda you really commit! Man have you been drinking the supply side kool-aid.Here's a clue, dood. Bush didn't cut taxes. He raised them. By doubling the debt every three years and deficit spending he's saddled some future generation with a HUGE tax. Probably it will fall heavily on the middle class.The plain fact is that he spends worse than any democratic president ever has. And he's a gutless perps who lacks the moral foundation & honesty to admit that he's stuck the rest of us with this debt.You must be one real MSM neocon kool-aid drinking tool to think that the money Bush spent isn't going to have to be paid by someone. And yet, that is the only way a person with rose colored glasses and their head in the sand can pretend that Bush has cut taxes."I honestly believe that 10 years from now, were gonna be looking back to now as "the good old days"."That may be, but it will be because 10 years from now we'll be caught between a rock and a hard place with no way to fix the stuff that Bush screwed up.Best case scenario is that we eliminate medicare, medicaid, cut the defense budget in half, and pay down the debt. Worst case scenario is that we are forced to choose between defaulting on the debt or raising taxes through the roof. And given the way taxes get raised, you can bet it will fall on Joe Workingman rather than any of the "have mores" in Bush's base.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 5 days ago

YooperI doubt we will be calling these 'The good ole days' ten years from now. The economy is cyclic and by then will be moving toward the upward crest again, we may have couple of rough years yet ahead but with a weakening dollar more jobs will stay here for the moment. Pay will eventually rise to help cover the higher prices of everything. We are creating jobs even now albeit at below the rate of losing them in other segments. What does need to happen is movement of some of the jobs being created to areas of the country with higher unemployment levels especially the 'rust belt' states. We do need to reevaluate 'free trade' and understand that it is a misnomer; so called 'free trade' isn't free when it COSTS Americans their jobs!As for the posts claiming that Hillary would be the least likely to seek to violate the Second Amendment and steal our guns and our rights; y'all are on CRACK! She has stated support for New World Order and will sign the UN Treaty which will effectively eliminate national sovereignty on issues like private firearms ownership, property rights, civil rights, womens rights, capital punishment and patent protections. Turning those vital issues over to the impotent UN is tantamount to TREASON in my not so humble opinion! So far as I know Obama hasn't pledged to sign the UN Treaty but may well support its aims and do so. I don't believe McCain will go anywhere near the thing!SA

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from Mountain Man no state wrote 6 years 5 days ago

If McCAin or Obama wins, you can hang up your guns. It will be all over for s hunters. Thats fine,we mTn folks been loking out for ouselves for many moon,and can continue. Let teh City Boys contiue to buy our products. If MAcain wins, its 4 or 8 more yes of Bush, not sure the US of A can afford him.so go to the Muslim, yes Muslim,same guys we fighting now overeseas wins, uswhite folks can hang it up. AS for Slaves, go back to Columbus days when the Eureopene Ships sailed back and forth, the Africian tribal chiefs had no money so they traded the misfits to the ships captin to bring here and sale. So nexy time a Black gets Huffy,remind why he's herer. God did not bring thim to the USA, Europe and USA ships did. The African chiefs were a cult, had one man in command of sevral people, who looked up or down to him,snd did as he said. So why do they thin the US owes them a drn thing. Go toa Indian illage adn look what we did to thje Indian?no way they can make a living on that sorry Assed land we put them on.If guy running don't like what he sees, then is has had his head in the sand. Go Hillary, we as a whole never had it so good as we did from 92 to 2000, then Bushie ruined it all.But Bushie gave all out money to his pet projects. Plus his pay-back to the Oil Industry. When gas get to 5 bucks.maye thes folks will begin to see who is liabel. Hillary may not win, but she's the better of the 3 running, you better hope/pray she wins. O well, if she looses shine went up 3-4 bucks a jar. See you at the Poles if they hae a geneal election this year. Wonder some Idiot don;t shoot the lot.Wait till nex week in PA then decide who's ahead, Mich and Fl yet to do something about.Like a flood or earthquake.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 5 days ago

C'mon Mike:Lay off the MSM Koolaid for a couple of weeks! Because this administration was so bullheaded on tax cuts, we were able to avoid a very serious recession when GWB took over. Had he not implemented those tax cuts, we might have seen a full blown depression after 9/11.Truth be known, between the Dems in Congress, Hollywood and MSM, the entire theme has been "Get Bush, he stole that election".I honestly believe that 10 years from now, were gonna be looking back to now as "the good old days".YooperJack

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 5 days ago

"When you have a President that, prior to his election, said 'I hate the military'."Given the frequency with which people attribute to President Clinton things that he seems never to have said, I'll take that allegation as an expression of agitprop rather than anything I'm gonna worry about."You can't expect any type of esprit de corps after his election."Bull. Beyond that, was there any person in the US armed forces who was less committed to their duty after his election than before, then said person has a very shallow and limited idea of the notion of citizenship and probably isn't or wasn't fit to be in uniform in the first place. I know plenty of soldiers who were in service early in Clinton's presidency. Bunches of 'em were my students. Knee-quaking over Clinton wasn't on the table. They were more concerned with career options, baloney from superior ofcrs, better pay and food, and trying to replace all the parts worn out in Gulf War 1."He cut the defense budget to the point that they couldn't function."B.S. Beyond that, if readiness is your concern, then you must be really ticked at the current president. I suppose also that multiple 12-15 mo deployments may also be adversely affecting espirit de corps but if it is, the guys whom I used to teach and who are still in service don't seem to show it."You and I are arguing about historical perspective so if HRC wasn't running, this discussion would be moot."The discussion IS moot. Real soldiers do their duty. They'll do it as well as soldiers usually have, I suspect, regardless of the pres."With her running, this discussion is still moot because I don't believe that she has a snowball's chance in hell of ever being the POTUS."She's not my first choice either. But I haven't drunk the radical right wing koolaid or been through the mental reprogramming required to fanatically throw feces at her from the monkey cage. I DO think she'd make a better president than the current one. I can't find a single choice apart from invading Afghanistan where Bush did ANYTHING in service of the United States rather than some fat cat campaign contributor.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 5 days ago

SA, I can see it all coming apart if BHO gets screwed on this nomination. Whether that happens or not.... I would really hate to be a Dem fat cat an have to part with my hard earned to donate to such a lame prospect.Hey Del, I only go to good movies. As such, I can't tell you what year it was, but the last movie I saw in a theater was the original "Men in Black". I took my preteen son.YooperJack

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 6 days ago

Jackson,Go back and see what Obama has said about guns. This guy is to the left of HILL and she is rabidly anti-gun. McCain isn't exactly like having Charleton Heston but he is head and shoulders above the two Dems.SA, My family does not go to movies that feature far left anti american view points (redacted, etc.) or liberal loud mouth stars (Tim Robbins, George Clooney etc).

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from Jackson Landers wrote 6 years 6 days ago

None of the 3 candidates, McCain included, is particularly gun friendly. However, at least Obama doesn't pander or pretend that he is something that he isn't. He doesn't try to fool us, which suggests that he at least respects us. That's more than I can say for Clinton or McCain.He has said that he agrees that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to bear arms. In a field of candidates that doesn't contain a serious pro-gun advocate, I'll settle for Obama and hold him to that statement.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 6 days ago

YoopI don't think we should be playing dirges for the Democratic party just yet. In the trenches they are far better organized than the GOP. They have a majority in Congress as well as more governors.Right now I am cautiously optimistic regarding Sen McCain's chances in November. He still needs to choose his running mate very carefully and find a boatload more money. What happens will largely be determined by how well the Democrats do damage control coming out of their convention this summer. I do think -- for right or wrong reasons -- a lot of white male voters on the middle and even slightly left thereof will hold their noses and pull McCain's lever which ever Democrat wins the nomination. HRC has already learned that she can not count on a women voter surge. Obama's organization has registered a hell of a lot of young new voters though.A wounded Democratic party on the national level is not the worst thing either. I would like to see a viable third party with Libertarian/Jeffersonian ideology take some power from the left and the right and get us more centered. Cutting the influence of Hollywood and the Liberal Left Media as well as cutting the influence of the far right on our process should be a priority for all of us.SA

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 6 days ago

Mike:Again we disagree! When you have a President that, prior to his election, said "I hate the military". You can't expect any type of esprit de corps after his election. He cut the defense budget to the point that they couldn't function. You and I are arguing about historical perspective so if HRC wasn't running, this discussion would be moot. With her running, this discussion is still moot because I don't believe that she has a snowball's chance in hell of ever being the POTUS.My big problem is the Democrat Party. Sometime between now and their convention, they will realize that BHO cannot win the general election. If they dump him, they'll permanently lose his supporters (the black vote). If they stick with him, they'll almost certainly lose this election. I think that the end result might possibly be the demise of that political party. The end result will be one political party in this country.While I strongly believe that we, as a country, have tremendous problems to overcome, I also believe that we live in the greatest country that ever existed on Planet Earth. While many of the problems are global, I believe that it will be this country that ultimately solves the problems. Historically, we've always had a two party system, and I believe that this system has gone a long way towards solving past problems. I believe that this system will be necessary to overcome our future problems, and I'm quite pessimistic that the system won't be there.YooperJack

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 6 days ago

Mike:Again we disagree! When you have a President that, prior to his election, said "I hate the military". You can't expect any type of esprit de corps after his election. He cut the defense budget to the point that they couldn't function. You and I are arguing about historical perspective so if HRC wasn't running, this discussion would be moot. With her running, this discussion is still moot because I don't believe that she has a snowball's chance in hell of ever being the POTUS.My big problem is the Democrat Party. Sometime between now and their convention, they will realize that BHO cannot win the general election. If they dump him, they'll permanently lose his supporters (the black vote). If they stick with him, they'll almost certainly lose this election. I think that the end result might possibly be the demise of that political party. The end result will be one political party in this country.While I strongly believe that we, as a country, have tremendous problems to overcome, I also believe that we live in the greatest country that ever existed on Planet Earth. While many of the problems are global, I believe that it will be this country that ultimately solves the problems. Historically, we've always had a two party system, and I believe that this system has gone a long way towards solving past problems. I believe that this system will be necessary to overcome our future problems, and I'm quite pessimistic that the system won't be there.YooperJack

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 6 days ago

The plain fact is one doesn't need to have military experience to be a great president, even though the Presidency gives one authority over the military; one doesn't have to have served a day in combat or in the military to understand the value of expert advise. FDR's administration of WW2 is proof enough of that. Likewise, being a servicemember doesn't mean that a pres will know jack squat about warfare, how to wage it effectively, or how to recognize good advice. The current President is proof enough of that.As for Clinton, the only military people whose morale suffered under Pres Clinton were partisan scumbags who would have kissed GHW Bush's posterior and worshipped things that emerged therefrom, if the former had been reelected to a second term and done EXACTLY the same things (militarily speaking) as Clinton.Nor was Clinton a draft dodger. Anyone who makes that assertion is as full of beans as the idiots who accused GW Bush of cheating his service term. I'm no Bush fan clearly, but lies do not become any of us.

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from eyeball wrote 6 years 6 days ago

Military service should be a strong qualification for the job of President of the US, not because ex-military are necessarily better than the rest of us (although it's possible they are), but because when elected the President gets an automatic promotion to five star general of the army, air force, and marines, and five star admiral of the navy, etc. I ask you, would you make somebody manager of a Donalds if he'd never made a hamburger?Obama plans to withdraw troops immediately from Iraq, and cut our forces to the bone; Hillary outright loathes the military. This isn't 1992; today the world is a dangerous place. We can't afford to make this election into a beauty contest. Bill Clinton damaged military morale more just by being his draft dodging self than George W. does by extending tours of duty. Someone who has no respect for the military or its mission (Obama) or who outright hates it (Clinton) is unqualified to be president.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 1 week ago

"He is however, obviously, HRC's cousin (no one else would so vehemently defend her!)!"Just a sense of chivalry or something. I'm sure it makes me a real neanderthal."MD has not a shred of respect for GWB and that is sad indeed."Nothing sad about it. Morally and ethically, and with respect to fidelity to oath of office and to the US Constitution, "Slick Willie" is a saint compared to Perp George. If there's a treason charge to be made, I'd make it on the "signing statements" added by Perp George in which he declares himself to be above the law.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Heavens to mergatroid! I almost have to agree with Mike Deihl again. Almost. He is right about true conservatives. He is right about Obama. He is however, obviously, HRC's cousin (no one else would so vehemently defend her!)!Eyeball made a very good point above when describing the challenges that this current administration has faced; they have certainly had stumbles but have overall brought the country through. MD has not a shred of respect for GWB and that is sad indeed.It seems that every election cycle we remark that the mudslinging is the 'Worst ever.' This time we might just be right, So far it looks like the Republicans are going to benefit. More previously doubtfull middle of the road voters are swinging to McCain; a lot of weight has to go on the Veep choice now. For McCain I'd like to see a moderate such as Christine Todd Whitman or Colon Powell versus appeasing the right too much with Huckabee. McCain really doesn't have to cow-tow to the right as much, they will vote for him anyway to keep either HRC or Obama out.There is this idea that military service is necessary to make a good President. I would say we have had good, even near great, Presidents who did not have distinguished military service and on the other hand we have had awful Presidents who did have distinguished military service. Grant was a well respected General (military historians differ on how good he actually was) as President he was drunk most of the time. Yes the reverse is true as well; Teddy Roosevelt is revered as a Great President in many circles and had a storied military career, Ike was a good President but a better General. Dare I say JFK was not a particularly good President, GHW Bush isn't likely to be lauded by Presidential historians either; both had excellent service records from World War 2. Peanuts Carter served in the Navy and must have hated it because he SCREWED our military every which way and didn't do much for the rest of the country either. Reagan did serve though without particular distinction. Slick Willy should have served time in Leavenworth for Treason instead we elected and reelected the dirtbag; while Americans were fighting and dying in Vietnam he was over in Moscow protesting the war in Red Square.Silver Arrow is climbing down from the soapbox now!SA

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Sorry that Newsweek article was Dec 2007.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Dukakis never claimed he was a war hero or a gung ho guy. He went for a ride in a tank. If he hadn't looked like a silly short guy in a small helmet, no one would have noticed. Dukakis was and is a stand up guy, and unlike, for example, Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush, Mike Dukakis served overseas in the US military. He just isn't the kind of guy who tries to pass of "Honorably Discharged" as "War Hero," and isn't the kind of guy who would proclaim that military services equates with "can do no wrong."More than that, no one ever caught Dukakis in a lie. And that is better than the record of Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton, and GWBush by a long long shot.Had Dukakis been our president the last 4 years, we'd all be a lot better off.Second, for the people slamming Sen. Clinton over her campaign tactics, especially the recent Obama gaffes, recall this: in Dec 2006, Obama called Clinton "disingenuous" in a Newsweek article. When asked by the reported whether he was calling Sen. a "liar" his reply was "Ask Senator Clinton." But Obama could not or would not actually specifically state what she may have lied about.I'm sorry, call her a liar and then ask her to make his case for him? That's baloney.When Sen Clinton observed that Pres Johnson put Federal teeth into the various civil rights acts, Obama tried to make Clinton out as some sort of racist."Obama the Uniter?" "Saint Obama the Straight Shooting Clean Campaigner?" Give me a break! I could vote for Sen. Clinton but never for Obama.Almost certainly I will hold my nose and vote for McCain. But let's get one thing clear. There ARE NO true CONSERVATIVES in the Republican Party.Real conservatives don't wear their religion on their sleeves, the don't start baloney wars, they don't diss all over the Constitution &c, they do try to reduce the size of government, they do try to reduce taxes, they do respect the conservation ethic espoused by President Roosevelt (TR that is), and they DO try to keep the government nose out of citizens' private concerns.

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from shootreadyaim wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I would also add, that people who use rifles for duck hunting usually end in failure.

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from shootreadyaim wrote 6 years 1 week ago

A guy on local radio read the whole "elitist" transcript. He first played part of it, and the sound is terrible, that's why we don't hear the recording firsthand. I'm no O'bamian, but his words were taken out of context, totally blown out of proportion and (she) picked and chose excerpts of it to present. He wasn't really talking about middle Americans, as much as alienation most people EVERYWHERE feel by our current government. The way the whole thing went, I didn't feel offended by it, as a proud gunowner.It really bugs me when statements are presented out of context like this. Especially when the accuser can hide behind an unbroadcastable, almost inaudible recording.

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from skip wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Great piece and great responses. Esp liked Silver Arrow's resp - right on the money. These bastards will say anything, promise anything, do anything to get elected. Remember Dukukkah Dukakis in the tank turret and "fast Boat" Kerry in well-pressed duck hunting garb?? And Bill and Hillary have made $100 million bucks in the last several years - jeezuz, the only way they could do better is have their own mint. It is mostly about power and money folks. How could the Dems (the donkeys) have allowed these two morons to get this far in the process. Heaven help us all.The Skippah

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from ncpilot wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Duff you are right. Idiots don't know when and lets face it, they just can't shut up. Let them enjoy the long primary and suffer the consequences of thier lack of substantive comments and abundance of silly lies. Wake up people who love OHB and HRC. They will be a disaster for America.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Del in KSNO JOKE! LMAO!!

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Clay Cooper, Hillery said she was in the duck blind with her rifle and that she shot a banded duck. I saw the film clip on Fox news.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

DanHillary saying she duck hunting with a rifle? It wouldn’t surprise me!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

The problem with Unions is simple. Everyone wants to be taken care of, from cradle to grave! Take General Motors for example, the last figure I read is, 60 percent of their revenue goes to taking care of the cradle to grave group. There was a die cast business next door to Saint Clair Die cast in St. Clair Mo that talked about going Union. I told them not to do it and if they did, there job will go south of the border. The outsider Union recruiter told them this would not happen when they go Union, which they did. A short time later, they all lost their job and the work went south!Stupid People deserve it!SO HERE’S YOUR SIGN!O’BOMBA and SHRILLRY are nothing more than Judas goats to take America down the road to destruction! And everyone of their loyalist are singing “O’HAPPY DAYS!” to their false prophet!What I don’t understand is the Rip Van Winkle finally waking up and another Sir Isaac Newton rediscovering gravity crowed, realizing what O’BOMBA and SHRILLARY stand for? It’s simple; they are what crowd they are with!Had A Woman from Sierra Club Member walkup to me while watering the lawn last year and said that they realized that both those is the Sierra Club and the Hunting community share common goals so they were out to recruit them. I wonder if was to recruit them for additional revenue and numbers or was their some truth behind what she said?The day that the Sierra Club and Clubs like North American Hunting Club truly join forces, I’ll let Davis E. Petzal shave my head personally on national hunting television for all to watch! Personally, I would welcome that day!!

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from Matt wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Mike,Hillary as a good President? Whatever you have been smoking, please pass me a hit! Besides the obvious fact that you can kiss goodby to anything more powerful than a Red Rider BB gun (these of course, will have to be registered and trigger-locked), prepare for an America that would make Lenin proud. The bastard who helped co-design her disasterous and failed first health care package is working on her current campaign. If she gets into office and you get sick may God help you. Expect her to coddle up to the UN far more than Bubba did. She has expressed support for every hate crimes bill and "thought-police" legislation that has come up. We already had one Clinton running this country into the ground. At least the first one was too busy getting blow jobs now and then to really mess things up. Dubya may be a worthless twit but if you think Hillary can't do any worse, be prepared to eat those words.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

The only relation the Clintons have with the Military is, the don’t ask and don’t tell policy, and gutting our Military to a point that we had to pull engines out of our F-15’s and F-16’s and install in another Fighter to keep is out of “Hanger Queen Status” which counts against the Squadrons rating of excellence. O’yes and let us Military Folks not to forget, cannibalizing parts from one aircraft and other equipment to fix other aircraft and equipment, then had to order and install missing parts that was removed . This happened to a RF-4 that was totally striped and when they reinstalled everything, they had to fill out a Air Force Form 486 to permanently taking it out of the Air Force Inventory due to unable to resolve massive electrical and hydraulic leaks. And barrowing personnel from another Squadron to fulfill their lack of ability for deployments due to manning cuts. Bill or Hillary joining the Military? That’s a first one on us Arkansas Folks! I’m still waiting for someone to ask Ol’Slick Willy about Mena Arkansas!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 1 week ago

The sixth President of the United States, John Quincy Adams, never served in the armed forces of any nation, and was an outstanding president.Military experience seems irrelevant for knowing whether or not a leader will conduct himself morally, ethically, or will faitfully uphold his oath of office. Our current president is a lout in every measure of integrity that a sane person can devise.I think Senator Clinton has what it takes to be a good president. Certainly she could do no worse than the George W. Bush. The only remaining Presidential candidate that of whom I take a dim view is Obama. Huckabee, however, would drive me away from McCain should Huck show up as the Veep nominee.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 1 week ago

PetzalWTF is a Sierra Club advert doing on this page? The liberal tree huggers have a meltdown or something?Jeez

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

james tTell me what branch of the military Bill Clinton served in?Dodging the draft doesn't count either.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 1 week ago

We have an amazing economy going here. A very high ratio of noise to signal.

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from james t wrote 6 years 1 week ago

if hillary or obama get in office will they be the first pres. to not have served in the military in any way, shape or form? talk about out of touch. mcCain has more experience than both of them put together and is a gun owner.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Thats Jesse and Al.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Go to NEWSMAX and read the report on Rev J. Wright. They investigated Wright and Obama and documented numerous lies told by both. Example Obama recently explained Wright's recent "hate America" tyrade. He said Wright went thru all sorts of grief growing up in a segregated school with discrimination. Ronald Kessler did exhaustive research even talking to Wrights HS classmates.The truth is wright went to the best schools and was not segregated. He now is building a huge million+ dollar home in Chicago. There's lots more this is a good read. This guy is as big a poverty pimp as Jeaae and Al.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Enough Hillary and Ob(s)ama drivel.I ain't voting for no F'ing Clinton or anyone named Hussein. I could give a rat's a$$ about the party. One is a lying thieving politician and the other has too many close(?) ties to radicals of several persuasions.I think I'll be elk hunting on election day.

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from Dan wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Is this the same Hillary who, at one time, was telling a story about duck hunting in Arkansas with a rifle? Nuff said.

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from Matt wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Oh, come on Dave! You know perfectly well that no number of chimpanzees over any amount of time would ever come up "It Takes a Village". Natural selection would take care of such pathetic creatures swiftly. It is only in the primordial swamp that is Washington D.C. that the lower forms of life have been able to dodge the natural choice of elevating themselves or perishing.

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from eyeball wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Steve S;I think history will be kinder to George W. than the current press is. Since in office, he's had to deal with 911, a mideast ruled by idiots racing to see which of them could build the first nuke, and the most expensive hurricanes in history (Ivan and Katrina) that destroyed half the gulf coast. You'd have to go back to Franklin Roosevelt to come up with a president who took office with bigger challenges to deal with than W. As if that isn't enough, the economy he presides over is being torpedoed by fast rising oil prices, not anything he's done.W doesn't run the country by himself; he has a Democrat ruled congress to help him. You don't have much to say about them, I notice.And as we presently have a volunteer military in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is hardly fair for you to claim that 'your generation' is being singled out; those MEN (and brave women) are there because they know that someone has to be. If you and your buddies want to stay safe, sit home.That W has made mistakes is obvious, but if you think either Al Gore or John Kerry could have done any better (or as well) as W did with what he had to deal with, you need to get your head out of your My Space and into reality.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Jim in Mo.Yeah, we had a sucky union. I have worked many non-union jobs since then and have done well. Filthy rich?Not by any means, and I didn't have to "pay" for a job.Bubba

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 1 week ago

mr.bDirty little secret of Wal-Mart health care the employees don’t know, if your picked up by an ambulance and not admitted, you’re stuck with the ambulance bill!

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Yooperjack,I was a career soldier when that SOB Carter was POTUS. We got 3% pay raises while inflation was three times that. Many good soldiers got out of the service. One of my friends was on that C130 that burned in the Iranian desert during the aborted rescue of the Embassy hostages. The services did not have sufficient parts to keep aircraft flying and ships at sea. Ronald Reagan was a godsend. He righted a sinking ship. Now we are in danger of having another left wing idiot in the white house at a time when there is grave danger from radical muslims. You may recall that the Shah of Iran was one of our strongest allies before he was undermined by Carter and then overthrown by the Ayatolla. Carter, Pelosi, Reid and their ilk are and should be tried as traitors.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Yooperjack,You are right on about Obama and Carter. He is a clueless freshman Senator that can give a good speach without saying anything. He gets a free pass from the liberal press and 90% of the black people will vote for him because he is black. G. Farraro was exactly right and she had to step down. To criticize him is to be slapped with the race card by the far left.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 1 week ago

You guys can talk about unions, good or bad, all you want. Never belonged to one. I applied for closed shop union jobs, probably 5 or 6 times.In Osama Obama, we have a candidate who is campaigning with a style almost identical to Jimmy Carter. His rhetoric, based on platitudes is the same. His lack of substance with potential solutions is identical. Many of you were to young to remember the results of his administration. We had unemployment rates between 12 and 15 per cent. The inflation rate was similar. Somewhere around 20,000 Viet Nam Veterans died (suicide) because they couldn't find jobs. These guys would apply for a job. Not satisfied with just sending a rejection letter, companies and Gov't Agencies would demand appologies from them for wasting their valuable time with those job applications.You can talk union/nonunion. You can talk open shop/closed shop. But when you're faced with conditions like above, you're probably screwed.YooperJack

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Guys,I have been in a union 7 yrs and was in management 8 yrs (resigned went back to craft). IMHO there are draw backs to both that could be fixed with a better agreement. There are some SOB's and some good guys on both sides. That's all I have to say about that.

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from mr.b wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Better yet-go to work for Wal-Mart. They are anti-union, and the country's biggest employer. I hear they pay real good too!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Stopped by the Post Office on the way home tonight to give Uncle Sam and the State $7,000.00 more dollars that Capitol Hill doesn’t deserve, just to hand out to some pork barrel project and some unwed Brood Mare Momma that keep the aspirin between her knees etc!A group of couples came walking out of the Post Office complaining to having to pay extra and said they are voting for O’BOMBA. I asked them what they thought if Governor Mike Huckabee would have made President. They said they would have moved overseas and I responded, one thing I don’t like is ignorant people. So tell me, what do you think about that? They agreed with me!STUPID PEOPLEHERE’S YOUR SIGN!

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Semp,Democrats get a pass in the liberal press Republicans get to resign. That is obvious to anyone that watches the news every day.Today the Chicago police shot a mountain lion that was running loose in the city.Just read that the Bush administration will not let Iran build a nuke. Iran is working hard at enriching uranium. Don't be surprized if the US or Israel take action soon. If so the price of gas will spike again. The writer (retired Maj. General) said of all the hot spots Iran is the key to world peace. They (we) sorely need regime change there. I suspect it will be some type of air strike not an invasion.If the Dems take over and do nothing expect world chaos when Iran inevitably builds a nuke.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Bubba,You had a shitty union, thats your fault. Back off. Be a man and kick the pricks out of office or don't work there. I told the teamsters to kiss my ass. Bunch of crooks in the particular shop they wanted me to pay dues. Moved on. Other teamsters has it much better than me cause they had balls. I'm retired UAW but I respect guys who'll fight not cave in.

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from mr.b wrote 6 years 1 week ago

By the way-in light of recent commentary--the wages you were getting in that "closed" shop was negotiated by the union. The working wage wasn't courtesy of benevolent management! You want the better wage? Pay your fair share! If that aint good enough- refuse to except your next raise or COLA!

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from mr.b wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Amen Jim in Mo.!! The young men today have no concept of where this country is headed. Soon when the brain-washing is complete, (union=bad) and the Robber-Barons rule is absolute, the eyes will be opened to what caused unions to be formed to begin with. Organized labor is not to blame for industries' downfall. The blue collar only produces what some twit has dreamed up. The oil embargo of the 70s should have been a clear warning to the auto execs to come up with a more fuel efficient product. BUT, there was more MONEY to be made selling 8 mpg land yachts! Now they sold the public on the idea that it's the high cost of labor that has ruined their market share! B!S.! Do some research before you bash unions bro. Please don't bother with the old line about the unions saving the bad employees job either--if management does THEIR job, follows the bargaining agreement, and documents,-anyone can be fired. I hope you never need one--but chances are when some manager screws you-you'll wish to God you had one......

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

For the uninitiated, "Closed Shop" means that you must either "join" the union or find another job!Basically, the union is telling the company they can hire whomever they please, but they "MUST" join the union to maintain employement!Bubba

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Jim in Mo.Let's don't get started on labor unions. I worked a closed shop job for 14 years.When the local chairman was accosted by his "bretheren" because he turned in "their" claims on his own behalf, the supervisor sent proof of what he was doing to the "people", within 30 minutes, the personnel mgr phoned the supervisor and informed him if he liked his job, he would never again "bother" the local chairman! We tried voting the guy out many times, I "know" the election was fixed, but there was never proof! Due to the claims, his pay check (I saw it!) as much as 3/4 times more than the average! Not only that, within 3 years, my position was extinct!Union my left hind leg!Bubba

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from semp wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Guys ... I'm missing something here. Bill Clinton ... the sitting President of the United States sodomizes a White House Intern 30 years his junior with a friggin Cuban cigar in the White House ... He not only get's away with it but he now sits on about $800 million dollars just thrown at him ,,, for what? But ... that's not enough .., he and his co-conspirator wife are tryinig to take the White House again? They belong in the Big House not the White House.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Peter,Outdated labor unions!!Have you ever had your boss tell you your not needed anymore because you hurt yourself--while on the job--to badly to be of any use to the company? I Have. Keep your mouth shut until you've gotten your pretty finger nails dirty.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Steve S,No,its not the 'old heads' saying the drilling can't happen. It's the lobbyist. Off shore drilling or expansion of drilling in Gulf of Mexico has been limited if not stopped by the tourism/hotel lobbyist. They carry a lot of weight in D.C. Check it out.Also if the anti-nuclear people need to be educated take a trip to France, those people have it figured out (boy I hated saying that). Saw a great 60 minute report and they kept their nuclear facilities going, expanding, improving and are doing fine, in fact fantastic. While here, the tree huggers have shut us down. We (America) don't need to talk to them, just eliminate the red tape.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I would like to add China to that list of things that is hurting Michigan as well. Because they are stealing are manufacturing.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

To Steve S,As far as the recession goes. It is a normal part of a free enterprise business cycle, high school economics. We have had them ever since the begining of this country. To some extent ...it actually matters very little about who is in office, but rather business regulated by supply and demand.Also this current recession varies state by state. Michigan, where i live..at least for a few more weeks.. is suffering very badly. Due, partly to the fact of a retarded governor and outdated labor unions. Texas, Louisiana are actually on the upswing of things.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Kinda off the beaten path, Steve S, but I heard a Electric Co-op Exec say that "one" of the reasons no nuke plants were being considered is because the licensing process has been lost to the ages. It has been so long since one was licensed (cleared for construction), nobody knows the process anymore!Bubba

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from Steve S wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Del in KS -" so don't tell me how bad your genation has had it."Where did I say that?I'm not naive. I know other generations have done a lot more to get us to where we are. But as someone who has done a lot for this country, doesn't it make you upset to watch it go down the same redundant path?And about people saying " no " to nuclear power plants and more refineries? Who are those people? 25 year old wonder CEO's? Nope. They are old heads who have the power. Not my generation.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 1 week ago

"The way I see it, anyone who would prefer a lifetime of Bush's policies needs to get out of the driver's seat and let someone else drive."That is the truth for sure. I don't have much use for the current crop of democrats, but the last time the United States had a GOP president worth his weight in toilet tissue, Eisenhower was the pres.As for the current crop of politicians, I wouldn't waste a bladder full of p*ss on any one of 'em was they on fire and no water in sight.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Steve SI would like to add that your generation is killing each other over drugs and gangs at a rate much faster than our war loses.We should be building nuclear power plants and refineries but too many people say no. I recently read in a magazine that the red tape for a new refinery is estimated to cost $1 billion before ground breaking so Exxon and others do not build new ones. They have increased size and output of the ones they have.Most are at full capacity and if there is a fire or accident the price of gas spikes up.

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from Carney wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Proverbs 29:2 "When the righteous thrive, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule, the people groan."Groaning is the reality, but not the solution.Let's live right, raise our kids right, be thankful, stick together on the important moral issues, be fearless in standing against the wicked tide of our culture, be honest in everything, honor God and the authorities and be willing to fight to the death if the cause is worthy and just. Our opponents are mere men.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Steve S,Reccommend you stop getting your news from the liberal press (NBC,CBS,CNN,MSNBC). Also note that only about 4000 have been lost in this war. We lost nearly 60,000 in Viet nam and 400,000 in WW 2. We spend more money on social programs than the current war. When the towers were hit we lost more people than at Pearl Harbor. Better to fight those bastards in Irag with our soldiers than here with our police and fire dept. History will show that Mr. Bush was not so bad. There has not been any more attacks on American soil.Oil is a world wide commodity the President does not control. If you want to bring the price down get your liberal friends to cut the red tape for building refineries and allow drilling off our coasts and in ANWR. This writer is a 10 point disabled veteran of Viet Nam so don't tell me how bad your genation has had it.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Steve S.You quoted statistics from historians re the Presidency of George W. Bush. Please note that we're still in that Administration. As such, anyone who comments about the historical significance of this era is a moron. IT'S NOT HISTORY! IT'S CURRENT EVENTS!History, by definition, is an analysis of the past. We do not know yet, the ramifications of our going to war in Iraq. We also don't know, what effect our occupation will have with respect to Iran, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. None of these countries are very stable.What if, hypothetically, BHO is our next POTUS? What if he suspends our surveillance of terrorist groups, withdraws from the Middle East, then we suffer another 9/11 type attack? How does GWB measure up then from a historical perspective?YooperJack

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from james t wrote 6 years 1 week ago

ok guys no more talk about obama or the hill. you might make steve s or evan upset. just crush both at the polls! and would someone please quit inviting people like obama to this country!!!!!!

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from mr.b wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Anyway you look at this election-we lose. God help us all.......

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from Steve S wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Maybe its because I'm young ( 25 ), but I can't figure out what part of the last 8 years was my favorite....Was it the 5 year war ( and counting ) that is costing my generation ( and future ) a fortune in blood and money? or maybe that awesome housing crisis? I really loved how we took a surplus and turned into a defecit. And dang, those gas prices are a lot of fun. And man, I love this whole recession thing. Not to mention being lied to about WMD's and yellowcake. Dang. Those were great times.The way I see it, anyone who would prefer a lifetime of Bush's policies needs to get out of the driver's seat and let someone else drive.It may be time for an eye exam....

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from Chad wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I am a proud gun owning resident of Pennsylvania and I cannot wait until the day Fast Eddie leaves Harrisburg for good. Hillary will win PA over Obama, but McCain will come in and win the general election

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from Peter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

To Steve S again,I have to rephrase something I said and in turn disagree with you on something. We don't need new ideas. We need Old Ideas. Like those of Thomas Jefferson and Ronald Reagan. This country needs to get back to its constition!

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from Peter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

To Steve S.I personally agree that the Republicans have really screwed up things the last few years. I think we do need new ideas. However, I don't believe that either the Democrats or the Republicans have the answeres. The U.S. people need to quit voting in people that will do more for them and start voting people in that will start reducing our Bureaucracy, and getting the Federal Government out of personal business and let States which are more easily controlled by the people of this wonderful country. The Supreme Courts reaction to cases like Roe v Wade and others should have been.. Not our problem,let your state fix it.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Steve SI would prefer a life time of GWB, (theoretically speaking, of course!) to five minutes of HRC or BHO!I know FDR was re-elected an unprecedented 3! times and no, that's not what I'm advocating, even though FDR did a magnificent job of guiding us(America, that is!) through WW II! I wonder how HST or some other incumbent would have handled "that" situation AND how it would have turned out!BUT, (oh dear, the but [butt?!]thing again!) to be perfectly honest, I don't have any idea what kind of POTUS HRC or BHO would make, but I'm just pretty damn sure "I" don't want to find out! And I'll make sure in November, that I do "my" part in saying, "Not no, but HELL NO!!!!"I truly think there are both blacks and women out there that would do a commendable job as POTUS! I also think that there may be some Democrats in the same boat! I would even give John Edwards a shot over the other two!I DO NOT think that HRC OR Obama either one is the person we need in the Oval Office!Bubba

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from eyeball wrote 6 years 1 week ago

That "put a million chimps on a million typewriters forever, and sooner or later one will write a Shakespeare play" line has been refuted. We have been pounding away on the Internet for quite some time, and no Shakespeare has appeared yet.The sad thing about Obama's comment is that he most likely meant it in an understanding way. He doesn't hate us for our beliefs, he pities us for them. And when he is elected President, he will move to legally correct our flawed opinions with the patience of a parent explaining to a six year old why it is wrong to play with the stove.Liberal elites seem to have the opinion that those who disagree with them are 1. Ignorant (I meant educationally disadvantaged), 2. Stupid (intellectually challenged, sorry), 3. Crazy (socially maladjusted, again, sorry), or 4. Evil (knows better, but has an agenda). That is why they seem to spend more time analyzing us than debating us. I'm tired of it, though, and I have been for about thirty years. I pray neither Democrat gets elected.

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from eyeball wrote 6 years 1 week ago

That "put a million chimps on a million typewriters forever, and sooner or later one will write a Shakespeare play" line has been refuted. We have been pounding away on the Internet for quite some time, and no Shakespeare has appeared yet.The sad thing about Obama's comment is that he most likely meant it in an understanding way. He doesn't hate us for our beliefs, he pities us for them. And when he is elected President, he will move to legally correct our flawed opinions with the patience of a parent explaining to a six year old why it is wrong to play with the stove.Liberal elites seem to have the opinion that those who disagree with them are 1. Ignorant (I meant educationally disadvantaged), 2. Stupid (intellectually challenged, sorry), 3. Crazy (socially maladjusted, again, sorry), or 4. Evil (knows better, but has an agenda). That is why they seem to spend more time analyzing us than debating us. I'm tired of it, though, and I have been for about thirty years. I pray neither Democrat gets elected.

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from semp wrote 6 years 1 week ago

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from Steve S wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Bubba-Would you take 8 more years of Bush or 4 / 8 years of Obama?Just to gauge things....

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Steve SOR Obama's!!!!Bubba

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from Steve S wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I'm sure I'll get shouted down on this bog, but I found this...."The nonprofit History News Network is reporting that in an informal survey of 109 historians, 98.2 percent considered President George W. Bush’s presidency to be a failure, while 1.8 percent called it a success."Everyone on this site is saying how bad the Dems are, but look at the past 8 years. Face reality. The reps did a horrible job. Maybe its time for new ideas.So long as they aren't hillary's.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Obama's trying write this off as "just making a mistake in something he said" you don't just make a "mistake" like that. not when youve been in public office and spoke like Obama has. Its just his true opinion coming out.I heard one Senator talking about how people overlook politicians "mistakes" by saying "o he tried" lol he said ya You take your car to get fixed, get it back and the engines gone. " o well the guy tried" right

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Milton Burton:We are residents of Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Not to be confused with "Trolls" who reside below the bridge (sorry Thomas). Since we always refer to the two peninsulas, those of us in the U.P. are Yoopers. You can tell us pretty easily. Most of us have cars and trucks with custom paint jobs, not available in showrooms. Usually a brown car, 1 green door. Maybe a blue pickup, red box. Economically, we're a bit depressed but the hunting and fishing is sometimes pretty good and the crime rate is fairly low.YooperJack

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from Andrew wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Bubba. Liberal / conservative differences are very simple. What complicates matters is when a liberal, like Obama, claims to be "post partisan" or moderate when he's absolutely part of the left wing. When Obama says he never wanted to ban hand guns- that blurs the issue. Anyone who thinks John McCain is part of the right wing needs to take a closer look at his record. Instead of endless boring debates we should hook candidates up to a lie detector and ask 20 questions on live TV-

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I think Dems should all give Hillary the clap.

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from Milton Burton wrote 6 years 1 week ago

This is to Yooper Jack?What is a "Yooper"?

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from duff wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Let them (Hill & Obie) keep talking...the "best" thing about a long (2 years!) campaign with people like that is they bury themselves...why?...because they can't shutup.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Bubba:You're right on LBJ. I remember those times. In 66 I got my first job, pumping gas. I received $1.00 per hour. My friends were all jealous. It was the biggest station in town and we sold around three times what the other stations sold.I didn't buy much other products so the only way I can relate this is to the price of gas. One hour of labor bought me three gallons at that time. Oh yeah. A Remington 1100 was $175. I still have that shotgun. The elderly Jewish couple that owned the sporting goods store sold that shotgun to me on credit. I don't bird hunt much anymore but that shotgun will never be for sale. Every time I see it, I think of them.YooperJack

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from Evan! wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Osama-Obama jokes! Classic!I'm fine with being "an elitist" if it means I can criticize someone beyond rhyming their name with the name of a bad guy. whew! dumb has a new definition.yrs-Evan!

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from Brian T wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Makes me believe that I have to "talk to the big white telephone" and call "HERB!"

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

YoopIf I'm not mistaken, (and I am alot of the time!) LBJ is the one who "instituted" the "minimum wage" laws!I can remember me and another kid, sweeping the auction barn floor just before the sale for .50 an hour. It took about an hour and we really enjoyed our fifty cents. Next week, I (my mother was the bookkeeper) earned .75 an hour, BUT, it took me 2 hours alone, and it wasn't near as much fun! I made a buck and a half and the barn operator wondered what took me so long! The next week, I didn't (wasn't allowed due to cost) get to sweep!Bubba

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from semp wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Why is it everytime Hillary is shown entering a campaign rally everyone is clapping ... she's clapping usually with her rodent like mouth gasping wide open ... she's dancing ... the people are dancing? It's like some high school pep rally or revival meeting or KoolAid tasting. They all look friggin nuts. It's scary not Presidential?What the hell will her White House be like?

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from semp wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Hillary must wear those 'activated charcoal' Depends.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 1 week ago

How do you stop crime?Enforce a shoot back neighborhood!

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from Michael wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I believe I will move to New Zealand.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Jason:Your comments are 44 years too late. In 1964, LBJ declared a "War on Poverty". This program endeavored to eliminate poverty in America. The minimum wage rate was raised. There were all kinds of federal jobs programs. Discrimination in hiring became illegal. Jobs training programs were started.Someone a lot smarter than me could probably tell you, exactly how much we've spent in the past 44 years, fighting this "war". I know its a lot! Guess what? We still have poor people. But because of this economic burden, it renders us much less competitive in the Global Economy.YooperJack

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from Rob wrote 6 years 1 week ago

People in "fly-over country" may have reason to be dissatisfied, but what made Obama's remarks so offensive is that he said we unwashed and uneducated (OK, I added that bit) people turn to guns and religion to soothe our bitterness. Elitist liberal that he is, he can't understand that people of faith may have actually thought through their beliefs (and have faith anyway) or that shooting and hunting are legitimate hobbies engaged in by people from all walks of life and that their hobby is protected by the 2nd Amendment--which is no less foundational to our system of government than any of the other Amendments.But to his point, which, I think, was economic problems, the solution is not more paternalistic social programs. Am I bitter? Yes. But I'm bitter that Washington can't just leave us the hell alone, not because I think I need a place in line at the government gravy train!

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

JasonThe crime/drug problem in inner cities is NOT an economic problem, it's a personality problem! Gun laws can/will affect these personality flaws, if they are relaxed so that the inner city "people" can protect themselves from the sinner (pun intended) city "slime"!Bubba

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from Jason wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Dems are trying to fix urban crime prolems by passing gun laws. These are really econmic problems and their gun control ideas are misguided. It is unfortunate. The republicans are trying to control the same problems with stiffer sentancing laws and more drug laws. Once again it misses the point of the huge economic probles in the inner cities. These are symptoms that come with low wages and no economic advantage. That is why neither have worked very well and will continue to not work very well. It is not that both parties are not trying. It is that they don't realize the problem.

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I believe that I finally figured out who the true NUTS are concerning gun NUTS, plus like most nuts there is a pair of them. I don't trust either candidate's words or actions.We all know people who would make substancially better presidents than either of these two purveyors of smoke and mirrors. Surely Teddy Roosevelt has a near identical descendant somewhere that wants to be president.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

One more thing, if you made a large tub and burned corn cobs, a substance called lunkers will accumulate on the bottom and yes, it’s a radioactive substance!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Two years ago, the Montana Governor said that his state can produce fuel, Diesel, Gasoline, Home Heating Fuel and Aviation Fuel for a $1.25 a gallon regardless of the price of oil. Yep, you al asleep on that watch! And think of all that phosphorus from all that fertilizer that is running of all those corn fields into the Gulf of Mexico. Phosphorus is a Marine Pollutant.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

And Jimmy Carter wants to do what!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Is Rip Van Winkle finally waking up or is it another Sir Isaac Newton rediscovering gravity.Everyone been standing chin deep in this crap and the smell has been horrid for as long as I can remember and now someone is saying, The Truth Revealed! Talk about someone being out to lunch!Hey you sleepy heads, it’s time to wake UP!Remember when Wayne LaPierre said along the line that the Clinton administration has accepted a certain level of death and destruction to achieve their political ambition. The Democratic Party has taken that idea and went all the way with it. It has become the common goal and the norm for the Democratic Party to allow the death and destruction at any cost to further their goals!Remeber Mena Arkansas? We do!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Troll and SilverArrow are both on to something. We always seem to be voting for te lesser of two evils because both parties have left us. With the Democrats, however, I believe it might be fatal. The leadership of that party is detached from us, the "little people". Excacerbating this problem, is that they have been bolstered by both Main Stream Media and Hollywood. I honestly can't see them coming back. When was the last time that a Democratic Presidential Candidate actively hunted? I mean bought hunting licenses prior to running for that office. If one actually did, he would be laughed out of that party!YooperJack

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Timberline, I agree. Don't trust anyone who agrees with everthing you say or think. Somethings up, don't they have a thought of their own? They'll screw you in a heart beat.The best conversations is aroud a breakfast table or a fire laughing and talking about some idiodik(sp) idea one of your good friends just said, and then go to bed knowing its ok to agree to disagree.

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from Timberline wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I recieved the same survey. Mine came out to be John McCain that i agreed with the most and i believe it was 76% of the time. i don't believe any two people will agree all the time and we all know politicians ain't people.

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I really appreciated the comments by SilverArrow and Mike Diehl. I don't find my beliefs aligned with either the conservative right OR the liberal left. A few weeks ago a former colleague sent me a politics "test." After having answered fifteen or so questions the test identified which of the nine candidates most aligned with my beliefs on: healthcare, the war, 2nd amendment, abortion, immigration, etc. The "best" candidate (i.e. the one who voted or campaigned on issues most important to me) agreed with me on only 46% of my answers. Regardless of who ends up in the White House I'll disagree with over half of what they are trying to accomplish or change in the USA.As long as we're discussing politics I'd invite you all to read an article published in this month’s issue (April 2008) of Field & Stream by Bob Marshal on page 35 (or in the FIELD NOTES blog at the following link):http://fieldandstream.blogs.com/news/2008/03/conservation-ca.htmlIf you want something to shoot at with your second amendment-protected guns, read this and write your congressman now. -I did.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Hillary said 'they believe'. Thats us. If elected she'll waste no time letting 'us' know how silly we were having such foolish thoughts like that.I don't think HilOb want to be president they talk like they want to be king.

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from Bobby wrote 6 years 1 week ago

"If by some miracle of divine intervention Sen. Edwards would emerge as the Democratic party nominee, would those who constantly hump the legs of democratic politicians suddenly leap up and say "Hell Yeah!"? He's by far the best candidate for presidential office with respect to the 2nd Amendment but he's off the radar because he had no backing when it was needed."Posted by: Mike Diehl | April 14, 2008 at 03:06 PMAre you serious? Do you even know what the 2nd amendment is?????

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from jstreet wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Obama and Hillary both are just trying to say what it takes to win an election.He stepped in a big pile of $hit with his comment, but let's be real, if Hillary knew how to shoot a gun, Bill would have been shot long ago!Jim

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 1 week ago

To be fair, "believe in" is also a phrase that demonstrates commitment to a cause. Thus one can, for example, believe in renewable energy, despite the fact that the existence of renewable energy is a substantiated fact.No one asked me, but I think the radical right and others less radical but as political such as Mr. Petzal do overreach when carrying on about Sen. Clinton. Yeah, she was for the black rifle and magazine ban. Back in those days, which politician wasn't? We all agree it was a stupid ban, but it's because we have experience with firearms. Politicians are almost universally sheltered, elitist urbanites, or the intermittant rural person (only so darned busy selling "access") that they rarely know the first thing about real life anywhere. I'm surprised no one has told us that it's our duty to buy a paperweight to save the economy yet.So what in the end would you all do about it? It's not like King Geeorge gives a damb about the US Constitution (or any part thereof) any more than Obama or Sen. Clinton.If by some miracle of divine intervention Sen. Edwards would emerge as the Democratic party nominee, would those who constantly hump the legs of democratic politicians suddenly leap up and say "Hell Yeah!"? He's by far the best candidate for presidential office with respect to the 2nd Amendment but he's off the radar because he had no backing when it was needed.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

AndrewThank you for the difference between conservatives and liberals. I have long wished for a simplistic statement, and your's really hit the nail on the head.Bubba

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from Andrew wrote 6 years 1 week ago

It's impossible to separate economic freedom from 2nd amendment freedom, or the right to assemble. Conservatives generally trust individuals and markets and hold people accountable for their own actions. Liberals trust the government as our savoir and often blame society for individual failures. In his heart, Obama wants to ban handguns and require background checks and licensing fees to buy any sort of firearm or ammunition. He's signed papers saying he would ban the sale, manufacture and possession of hand guns ( Obama denied this until they found his hand writing on the documents) and has been very inconsistent when talking about the 2nd Amendment, the individual right to own guns and the DC ban. I had the misfortune on living in New Jersey, where you need a permit to buy B-Bs or a B-B gun. That is our future if Obama has two years with a Democratic Congress. It doesn't mean he's evil or that there is conspiracy to take away our guns. Obama just doesn't trust the "bitter" masses "clinging to guns and god" anymore than he trusts people to keep their own money or parents to chose their schools. Unless there is a 13 year old seeking an abortion, Obama will always chose government over freedom.

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from Dave Petzal wrote 6 years 1 week ago

To Tom the Troll: And let us not neglect those great classics, doing the technicolor yawn and trumpeting tomoatoes.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

My fears and trepidations over the coming election is, well, excelled only by the fear that HRC or BO have a "chance" to win the damn thing!It's just down right scary!Bubba

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 1 week ago

DEPLet's leave the fate of my Yankees out of this!HRC calling Osama/Obama elitist is the pot calling the kettle black; she is at least as bad! Almost all of the current crop of politicos are though. GWB seems to think he was elected King George!I believe that few politicians are in 'our corner' on 2A issues; they just know the consequences of opposing us!Both parties have, to some extent, 'left' their members behind. The Republicans in the shift to radical right certainly aren't 'The Party of Lincoln' or of Teddy Roosevelt anymore! As for the Democrats their leaders have more in common with Chairman Mao than JFK! We in the middle are just chopped liver, throw us a few one liners and we will vote the party our parents did.Obama is correct in saying that a lot of us are fed up! Disgusted is more accurate. Fed up with a Washington DC where the DC should mean Detached from Country. We do want change, change we can believe in and embrace. Change from 'free trade' which costs good American jobs. Change from decisions made to benefit the few at the expense of the rest of us. Change that NONE of these politicos will bring.As a former colleague of mine used to say on every election day "If they are in, vote 'em Out!"SA

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Dave P.I can think other verbiage for saying that the Democratic candidates make you believe you are going to throw up. For example: spew, hurl, up chuck, blow chunks, regurgitate, loose you lunch. But any way you say it listening to the candidates just makes me want to barf.Tom the Troll

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from Will Becker wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Tie their wicked tails together and throw them over the clothes line.We'll stand back and watch em fight it out.We're screwed with either winner.

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Is this a new Outrage, or is it the old Outrage?It doesn’t surprise me much the Democratic Candidates and the DNC are frustrated the middle of the Middle Class is not all that responsive to their platforms.My sentiment the Democratic Party was hijacked and has been run by Leftist Radicals masquerading as Liberals is reaffirmed.

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from Harold wrote 6 years 1 week ago

When Hillery starts talking about shooting with her father, then you may be assured that she was asked about her feelings re. the 2nd Amendment. Bill, when asked the same question, would mention that he was probably the only recent president to go to a gun show. While both "answers" are technically true, these responses are really non-answers designed to deceive people into thinking that the Clintons are at least somewhat pro-gun. As we all know: THEY ARE NOT!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Well, this guy really stepped in it! Between Obama's Pastor, and Obama's Wife, with this speech, we now have an idea as to his true feelings towards us "little people" in flyover country.I'm starting to feel a bit optomistic about Sen. McCain's chances this fall. "Osama" Obama should be an advocate for Gun Control. He just shot himself!YooperJack

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 2 days ago

Mike Diehl:I'm 58 years old. If I haven't grown up yet, I probably never will!Your comparison of GWB to Jimmy Carter makes me want to barf! When Carter was president, I used to have to appologize for applying for jobs. Yeah, things are a bit tough right now. Our President is taking steps to alleviate these problems. Carter blamed the problems on us! He called it a "National Malaise".Also, this President is a PATRIOT. Carter has spent a major portion of the recent past (since Nixon's funeral) criticizing and undermining his country.Go to a rummage sale. Buy a history book (U.S. History). Buy a government book. Read before you speak!YooperJack

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 2 days ago

@Yoop -When you grow up, I'll start reading your stuff.@Peter -"If your runnin down Pres. Reagan though."I'm not. Just posting facts about the spending levels that anyone can look up for themselves. Reagan made Americans feel good at a time when Americans were feeling pretty thoroughly hosed, and that was a good thing. In many ways, I think President Bush (the current one) has more in common with President Carter than any president in between.What I'd like is a true conservative president. One who asks for and by leadership and negotiation gets a balanced budget, and who doesn't need to play gimmicky accounting games to do it. I'd also like one with more regard for the US Constitution than we've seen in many decades.Unfortunately, there aren't any Harry Trumans in this race and none "on the horizon" in any party.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 2 days ago

SA:This is the problem with Washington. It happens all the time with different issues on the table. This situation is realy ironic, however, because the original problem, with respct to homeowners, is really quite small. Most of us have lived in our homes for several years. Whether or not my home has lost value recently, its still worth a bit more than I paid for it. We raised four kids here. I'm lucky its worth anything! Also, the mortgage problem appears to be in roughly 4 per cent of the mortgages. The vast majority of homeowners are making their payments on time.What's really astounded me is the amount of credit card debt that some people carry. I've seen figures between 30K and 100K and thes people are now strapped! How could they let this happen?Aside; GIVE YOUR SON A GIANT THANK YOU HUG FROM ALL OF US!He's the reason that we can write our drivel on these blogs.YooperJack

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 2 days ago

Here is a good example of how this finanacial crisis is not all GWB's fault (unless you consider Barney Frank, D-MA, a Bush standard bearer?).Rep Barney Frank has introduced a $300 BILLION dollar plan to expand the Federal Housing Administration's bail-out of troubled homeowners. The plan is lose-lose for lenders who must agree to accept at most 90% of subject home's current value on a primary lien (remember that home values have dropped up to 25% in many areas) and only up to 1% of the home's current value on secondary liens. Of course if our intrepid homeowner later sells at a profit the lenders are still out in the cold; any profit would be shared with the good Komrads at FHA!The multiple disasters that this will cause include pushing already troubled lenders out of business, gunshy investors will pull their money out of the Collateralized Mortgage Obligation (CMO) market just as fast as they can (further drying up private mortgage funding), foreign lenders will not only tighten up or pull out they may also take legal actions to forestall the plan or sue borrowers for the difference.This is one huge example of an oversized Democratic plan which is poorly conceived and truly another step toward Socialism in our own nation! GWB didn't have a thing to do with it but dares not veto it.SA

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from Peter wrote 6 years 2 days ago

To Mike,Ya I know. about the word "Hurt" Just tryin to be nice. If I said what I really thought about what those Presidents did ..I might be barred from the blog.If your runnin down Pres. Reagan though. Im sorry but I disagree with ya man. No President is perfect. But Reagan came dang near close. He also had backbone to deal with problems that a certain President before him did not.(IRAN right of the get-go) He did his best to reduce taxes and to start to get bureaucracy out of our lives. His 2 terms in office gave this country a badly needed boost in moral as well as ecomically. I could get into details but thats a good summary.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 2 days ago

Mike Diehl:Okay, in addition to your History shortfall, you're also a bit shy in Government.The U.S. Constitution clearly states; "All appropriations bills must originate in the House of Representatives". The President can ask for items in his budget. The budget, however, must come from the house.Many Republican House (and Senate)members were caught up in greed over the last seven years. They paid bigtime in the 2006 election. GWB was also at fault in not using his veto pen. You look at that and see evil. I look at that and see someone who was trying to be bi-partisan. At any rate, the spending ran amok!While the deficit is bad right now, there is nothing written in stone that this problem cannot be overcome. Computer geeks say that the future in this industry is rife with future improvements. If this industry grows with new tech, that tech will probably come from here. I see more people looking for "Made in China" on products in stores. Specifically to avoid those products.I believe that it is far to early to judge this administration. I would probably feel differently if Iraqi War Vets were having to appologize for applying for jobs.YooperJack

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 2 days ago

"LBJ, Carter, Clinton, From what I have studied in history...in the past 50 years, these have hurt the country very badly."I think you have a very subjective and inconsistent standard of "hurt.""Their "social" programs, "global trade" policies hurt this country very badly."Hmm. Bear in mind that the first president to borrow against Social Security bonds was Ronald Reagan. On the other hand, were you to identify Medicare and Medicaid as BIG looming "hurts" you'd be correct, because their future slice of the budget can only increase. Was anyone to propose eliminating these programs, I'd support 'em. The other "big hurt" in our budget is defense spending. The way to avoid that is to fight the necessary wars (like Afghanistan) and not fight the unnecessary ones (like Iraq)."Im not sure where I really stand on GWB senior or the current GWB."Understandable. Was it down to JUST finances, the two are similar. But IMO G.H.W. Bush was a lot smarter than his son for many good reasons.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 2 days ago

Ah. Well, at least if you are worried about bankruptcy, then one could reasonably infer that one ought to be concerned with finances.Deficit spenders, non-social security expenditures paid for by increasing the US National Debt, in order of expense:1. George W. Bush(23% in 2002, 32% in 2003)2. George H.W. Bush (28%)3. Ronald W. Reagan (25%)4. Richard M. Nixon/Gerald R. Ford (14%)7. James E. Carter (13%)8-9. William J. Clinton/Lyndon B. Johnson/John F. Kennedy (6% all)10. Dwight D. Eisenhower (3%)Of these admins, the ONLY ones to NOT deficit spend for at least one fiscal year during their terms were William J. Clinton, John F. Kennedy (prior to his death), and Dwight D. Eisenhower. The last president to consistently preside over balanced budgets was Harry S. Truman.And that is most unfortunate, because the current admin has not only the highest deficit spending record (proportion of non-social security spending funded by debt increase), but it also has the highest standard dollar debt, and the third highest standard dollar debt-per-household ratio (the first two highest debt/household years being 1943 and 1944)."You are a blahblahblah..."Whatever.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 3 days ago

LBJ, Carter, Clinton, From what I have studied in history...in the past 50 years, these have hurt the country very badly.Their "social" programs, "global trade" policies hurt this country very badly.Im not sure where I really stand on GWB senior or the current GWB.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 3 days ago

Mike Diehl:You seem to have a lot of facts. How did you acquire this knowledge, never having taken a history course?I can't believe that any person, either mentally aware between 1977 and 1981, or having studied U.S. History since, could call GWB the worst POTUS in 180 years. While I believe that Carter was a MORON, who came pretty close to bankrupting this country, I can make a case that LBJ might have been the worst ever. Remember Viet Nam? His Great Society destroyed the family as the basic societal unit within the Black American Community.You are a victim of Main Stream Media. Some unknown philosopher once said "A lie, if repated enough becomes the truth". Our media has proved that, especially in your case.YooperJack

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 3 days ago

I think I can assuage some of your concerns, S.A. Any treaty that a US President decides is important has to be ratified by the US Senate, so if there really ARE any real conservatives left in the GOP, "radical change" is going to be a non-starter. Moreover, neither a signed treaty, nor a unanimous UNSec Council (or Generall Assembly) resolution are exempt from US Supreme Court judicial review. Sen. Clinton as president COULD direct our UNSec representative to declare firearms ownership an affront to human rights, was she willing to waste lots of political capital. But even so, the USSJC could simply say that "the 2nd Amendment trumps such proclamations, end of debate."As to Bush, I do not agree that the US military is better off now than it was in 1999. Most of the general staff don't seem to think so either. I do not agree that Pres. Clinton ripped intel, I think he was simply going along with a policy that had been extant since Reagan's 2nd term in office. In any case, George W. Bush, the lesser man in any comparison with any President in the last 180 years, would probably have ignored good intel had it been placed on his desk with heaven's own signet ring stamped on it in wax as validation.Subprime lending isn't the cause of the current crisis. Subprime ACCOUNTABILITY is the cause. The reason why the taxpayer is bailing out Bear Sterns is because no one on this planet can figure out what these "asset backed securities" are really worth. THAT only happens when greedy execs exploit lax regulatory oversight in order to pull the wool over investors' eyes.Moreover, the loss of some (IIRC) $500 billion US dollars in the current capitol evaporation event is nothing compared to the coming crisis from deficit spending. The claim is made that the absence of capitol makes it hard for US investors and industries to make improvements or innovations.So, how badly do you think the loss of THREE TRILLION dollars of US capitol (George W. Bush's contribution to the National Debt -- bearing in mind that Pres. Clinton ran a budget SURPLUS and paid down the debt) will harm our economy?Remember. That money is GONE. All that's been left to determine is who'se gonna get stuck with the check after all the other diners disappear from the table.As for the rebate. It's not as bad as you think. If people put that money in banks rather than spend it, the money is immediately available to be loaned by the banks to businesses and industries that need money for capital improvements, home loans, and the like. But it's not remotely as good a fix as eliminating deficit-spending.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 3 days ago

To add:I repeat that the most dangerous threat in this race is Hillary because she will sign a treaty which in one stroke of the pen will make all of GWBs signings look miniscule. The UN treaty will do so much harm to our nation by puting so many Rights into the UN hands rather than our Sovereign Nation's people's hands.SA

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 3 days ago

MikeGood points but...Our military is in pretty GOOD shape versus when GWB took the stairs to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave for the first time! Slick willy raped the intelligence community and didn't treat the military with much more respect! Certainly there are individual Soldiers coming back from Iraq with low morale and suicidal tendencies but by and large the Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines have excellent esprit de corps and motivation. The left-leaning media plays up the few and ignores the many! I know first hand; my son got back from Iraq a week ago, proud of the job he and his unit did and describing the average Iraqi as hardworking and happy to see us there. The media saying all Iraqis hate us is like them saying all Los Angeles' citizens are either illegal gang members or cops.When we turn to the economy most of the policies that brought us to our current -- very serious -- crisis predate this administration and that of WJC. Subprime lending has been with us for ages and it serves us well in good economic times. People who would otherwise not be able to buy homes, cars etc are able to do so and pay the higher monthly payments with OT. Once the economy retracts and OT dries up money gets tighter for people on the margin the same people who are forced to borrow at higher rates... The jobs created by home purchases and the necessary appliances that go along with them drive the economy.Artificially injecting these additional rebates into the economy is on the other hand a costly solution which will only drag the problem out longer and probably deepen it in the end. If we need to do anything then we should be brokering with the lenders to reduce interest rates on the most vulnerable, we should be creating jobs where they are most lacking by offering incentives to employers for doing so, we should be demanding that our trading partners are as open to our exports as we are to theirs and we should be looking long range with education programs to elevate the vulnerable out of the 'subprime' catagory permanently.GWB could certainly do better on some of the economic issues but I do not regret at all voting for him twice!SA

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 3 days ago

"Hey Mike, when I referenced the Kool Aid, I..."You was being a jerk, so I gave you some of your own form of rebuttal. I'll lighten up now and get back on topic."You're living under an assumption..."No, I'm not. This has nothing at all to do with Gore. You don't know how he'd have responded to 9-11. I don't know either. I do think he's a better man in every way than the current pres. I also think that ANYONE, Gore or for that matter any GOP president would, in Bush's shoes, not have so derailed our war on terror by invading Iraq. It was simply a really dumb choice. A nice legal UN sanctioned choice, but a dumb move. Why we think we need to be the UN's "enforcer" is beyond me. The consequence of the Iraq war is that we are less safe both domestically and overseas from terrorists because we have been diverted from a good mission in Afghanistan. We are less militarily ready than at any time since 1940. And we are less economically safe than at any time since 1929.Economic threats particularly concern me. You simply CAN'T spend the way that Bush spends and sustain the US economy. Someone has to pay for that spending. Sooner or later that spending MUST come home to us as a tax increase, or else it MUST come home to us in a drastic reduction in the US Armed forces and elimination of most other Fed programs, or else we MUST default on the debt. All three of those choices stink."Gore would've..."You don't know squat about what Gore would do but what you're fed in the way of sound byte put downs from idiots who are counting on you to be stupid enough to believe everything they tell you to believe."At any rate, you totally ignore that we were attacked."That is incorrect. I am quite aware that we were attacked. We were NOT attacked by Iraq or anyone IN Iraq. Therefore, the US and Coalition playing enforcer or "topple the dictator" was both a waste of money and a distraction from the real mission."Also, you ignore the phenomenon that military gear, while tested extensively &c"Not sure to what you are referring here. The tech cycle is what it is. We'd be alot better off if our equipment wasn't breaking down and overcommitted in Iraq on a fool's errand."You and one other frequent writer are the most critical of GWB."Yes I am. I am very critical of GWB for three reasons.1. Spending like a drunken sailor.2. Sending the US armed forces on a fool's errand in Iraq, thereby making the US less safe.3. Signing statments by which the exec branch has engaged in an unpredicidented totalitarianist power grab.The effects are vastly increased economic risk, vastly reduced defense capability, and vastly broadened perception in gov't circles that the gov't really doesn't have to give a damb about the rule of law or citizens' rights.Here's a thought. Probably, for good or ill, a democratic party candidated will be the pres. Imagine if Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton assume the same degree of executive privilege in the use of signing statements that the person currently staining the office of the US Presidency has assumed. It isn't a pretty thought.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 3 days ago

Plus low if any benefits

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from Peter wrote 6 years 3 days ago

P.S. No, that doesn't make sense.My Granpa worked for GM for 40 years in tool and die out of the Grand Rapids plant there. So i know a little what your talking about.Hey yall here about GM paying people to quit/retire earsly. so they can hire people in under a new contracts which don't offer the benefits and retirement programs and lower wages. So in other words the person they payed to retire early was making say 25 dollars an hr. the person to replace that exact same position might only get 17 dollars an hour.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 3 days ago

To Jim,Thanks for the feedback. Sorry if I was a "prick" myself. That does clear up things up some.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 3 days ago

Peter,P.S.,Baby Boomers? Hell I thought you weren't even old enough to be a diaper on a baby booomer.Once again sorry for being a jerk but don't like people putting down what they haven't really looked into.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 3 days ago

Peter,I'll try to enlighten you, and this time I'll try not to be such a prick. Your post caught me in a bad mood which is no excuse. I appologize. But your remarks about people should be able to do other people's work? Man what outsiders don't know (I worked for Ford for 37yrs) is that management proposed that any skilled tradesman should be able to cross the lines of demarkation and finish a job that isn't within their skill-or trade. So that essentially means a millwright or any other trade, in order to finish a job, could do the work of an electrician, or tinner or hvac? Doesn't make any sense man, would I want my house, shop or outhouse built in this manner?

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from Peter wrote 6 years 3 days ago

And I will probably be hated for this but. As to baby boomers. You dropped the ball. Now my generation will left with your pieces. I know thats not everyone.And probably most the people reading the blog don't fit into that category.Thanks for putting up with my comments people.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 3 days ago

I may not have work experience. But I do know some history. I know unions gave good hard working Americans a voice in their workplace. A company couldn't just fire anybody. They better have a dang good reason. But nowday's its turned more into a bureaucracy thats killing jobs. Also keep in mind that government agencies have gotten more involved in private business, and also require certain standards and rights for people.Ford has gotten so bad, people will turn other people, for supposedly doing "their work". Thats good? enlighten me! Someone get turned in for just trying to be a hard worker and be productive? enlighten me!Your right I have no idea...so ENLIGHTEN ME!I just see the results. O and to the people who are complaining about the "young generation" not knowing where this countries going....who raised those kids. Whos letting the school system do what they want and teach what they want to them. How about who voted in those people that have screwed our government over for the past 70 years.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 3 days ago

Hey Mike, when I referenced the Kool Aid, I didn't recommend that you spike it! Apparently you did.You're living under an assumption that, had Al Gore been elected, he would've talked to al Qaida, and we would'nt have been attacked. Or possibly, after the 9/11 attack, Gore would've sent a crack team of FBI agents to Afghanistan (probably headed by Hillary since she's experienced in dodging sniper fire on landing) to arrest al Qaida.At any rate, you totally ignore that we were attacked. Both the response to the attack and preventative measures to prevent future attacks cost money. Also, you ignore the phenomenon that military gear, while tested extensively, isn't perfectly designed for conditions encountered on the actual battlefield. Retooling costs money.You and one other frequent writer are the most critical of GWB. The other guy is retired. Has several firearms. Recently bought a new one. Spends the entire fall hunting in about 4 different states, and rants about how bad the economy is.It just doesn't add up>YooperJack

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from Peter wrote 6 years 3 days ago

Common Jim I wanna hear some feedback. Chew me out. Lets go.Jim Mo.Apr. 15 8:14 pm if anybody's interested.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 4 days ago

Jim Mo,about your comment to me. and about Labor Unions.About your comment about keeping my mouth shut. Im afraid I cant do that.Im sorry for whatever happened to you on the job and that the company didn't take responsiblity. Ill admit if a union was there that would not have happened.Due to the fact Im a senior in High school, you got me on the fact that I am not apart of the work force yet and havn't had to deal yet with the crap that goes on sometimes. But I will within a few weeks.My Dads Retirement( he worked for UPS for 30 years) is from the Teamsters. So, sir, I do know about Unions. I know theres good things about them.However I personally know somebody whos getting screwed over becuase, lazy, low-liffers voted a union into their tool and die shop. Now the skilled workers are getting screwed over.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 4 days ago

Jump off a bride is funnier than jump off a bridge but I meant the latter.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 4 days ago

"Lay off the MSM Koolaid for a couple of weeks!"Go jump off a bride, ya lout."Because this administration was so bullheaded on tax cuts, we were able to avoid a very serious recession when GWB took over."Boy, when you lick neofascists boots you really apply your tongue. Bush's presidency has been a straight up flat out undeniable economic catastrophe. Every citizen born into the US today suffers a $30K birth tax, because of Bush's tax n spend n spend n spend n spend n spend n spend n spend n spend policies. The worst part is that he's running up this huge debt all for someone else's benefit."Had he not implemented those tax cuts, we might have seen a full blown depression after 9/11."When you pick your propaganda you really commit! Man have you been drinking the supply side kool-aid.Here's a clue, dood. Bush didn't cut taxes. He raised them. By doubling the debt every three years and deficit spending he's saddled some future generation with a HUGE tax. Probably it will fall heavily on the middle class.The plain fact is that he spends worse than any democratic president ever has. And he's a gutless perps who lacks the moral foundation & honesty to admit that he's stuck the rest of us with this debt.You must be one real MSM neocon kool-aid drinking tool to think that the money Bush spent isn't going to have to be paid by someone. And yet, that is the only way a person with rose colored glasses and their head in the sand can pretend that Bush has cut taxes."I honestly believe that 10 years from now, were gonna be looking back to now as "the good old days"."That may be, but it will be because 10 years from now we'll be caught between a rock and a hard place with no way to fix the stuff that Bush screwed up.Best case scenario is that we eliminate medicare, medicaid, cut the defense budget in half, and pay down the debt. Worst case scenario is that we are forced to choose between defaulting on the debt or raising taxes through the roof. And given the way taxes get raised, you can bet it will fall on Joe Workingman rather than any of the "have mores" in Bush's base.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 5 days ago

YooperI doubt we will be calling these 'The good ole days' ten years from now. The economy is cyclic and by then will be moving toward the upward crest again, we may have couple of rough years yet ahead but with a weakening dollar more jobs will stay here for the moment. Pay will eventually rise to help cover the higher prices of everything. We are creating jobs even now albeit at below the rate of losing them in other segments. What does need to happen is movement of some of the jobs being created to areas of the country with higher unemployment levels especially the 'rust belt' states. We do need to reevaluate 'free trade' and understand that it is a misnomer; so called 'free trade' isn't free when it COSTS Americans their jobs!As for the posts claiming that Hillary would be the least likely to seek to violate the Second Amendment and steal our guns and our rights; y'all are on CRACK! She has stated support for New World Order and will sign the UN Treaty which will effectively eliminate national sovereignty on issues like private firearms ownership, property rights, civil rights, womens rights, capital punishment and patent protections. Turning those vital issues over to the impotent UN is tantamount to TREASON in my not so humble opinion! So far as I know Obama hasn't pledged to sign the UN Treaty but may well support its aims and do so. I don't believe McCain will go anywhere near the thing!SA

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from Mountain Man no state wrote 6 years 5 days ago

If McCAin or Obama wins, you can hang up your guns. It will be all over for s hunters. Thats fine,we mTn folks been loking out for ouselves for many moon,and can continue. Let teh City Boys contiue to buy our products. If MAcain wins, its 4 or 8 more yes of Bush, not sure the US of A can afford him.so go to the Muslim, yes Muslim,same guys we fighting now overeseas wins, uswhite folks can hang it up. AS for Slaves, go back to Columbus days when the Eureopene Ships sailed back and forth, the Africian tribal chiefs had no money so they traded the misfits to the ships captin to bring here and sale. So nexy time a Black gets Huffy,remind why he's herer. God did not bring thim to the USA, Europe and USA ships did. The African chiefs were a cult, had one man in command of sevral people, who looked up or down to him,snd did as he said. So why do they thin the US owes them a drn thing. Go toa Indian illage adn look what we did to thje Indian?no way they can make a living on that sorry Assed land we put them on.If guy running don't like what he sees, then is has had his head in the sand. Go Hillary, we as a whole never had it so good as we did from 92 to 2000, then Bushie ruined it all.But Bushie gave all out money to his pet projects. Plus his pay-back to the Oil Industry. When gas get to 5 bucks.maye thes folks will begin to see who is liabel. Hillary may not win, but she's the better of the 3 running, you better hope/pray she wins. O well, if she looses shine went up 3-4 bucks a jar. See you at the Poles if they hae a geneal election this year. Wonder some Idiot don;t shoot the lot.Wait till nex week in PA then decide who's ahead, Mich and Fl yet to do something about.Like a flood or earthquake.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 5 days ago

C'mon Mike:Lay off the MSM Koolaid for a couple of weeks! Because this administration was so bullheaded on tax cuts, we were able to avoid a very serious recession when GWB took over. Had he not implemented those tax cuts, we might have seen a full blown depression after 9/11.Truth be known, between the Dems in Congress, Hollywood and MSM, the entire theme has been "Get Bush, he stole that election".I honestly believe that 10 years from now, were gonna be looking back to now as "the good old days".YooperJack

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 5 days ago

"When you have a President that, prior to his election, said 'I hate the military'."Given the frequency with which people attribute to President Clinton things that he seems never to have said, I'll take that allegation as an expression of agitprop rather than anything I'm gonna worry about."You can't expect any type of esprit de corps after his election."Bull. Beyond that, was there any person in the US armed forces who was less committed to their duty after his election than before, then said person has a very shallow and limited idea of the notion of citizenship and probably isn't or wasn't fit to be in uniform in the first place. I know plenty of soldiers who were in service early in Clinton's presidency. Bunches of 'em were my students. Knee-quaking over Clinton wasn't on the table. They were more concerned with career options, baloney from superior ofcrs, better pay and food, and trying to replace all the parts worn out in Gulf War 1."He cut the defense budget to the point that they couldn't function."B.S. Beyond that, if readiness is your concern, then you must be really ticked at the current president. I suppose also that multiple 12-15 mo deployments may also be adversely affecting espirit de corps but if it is, the guys whom I used to teach and who are still in service don't seem to show it."You and I are arguing about historical perspective so if HRC wasn't running, this discussion would be moot."The discussion IS moot. Real soldiers do their duty. They'll do it as well as soldiers usually have, I suspect, regardless of the pres."With her running, this discussion is still moot because I don't believe that she has a snowball's chance in hell of ever being the POTUS."She's not my first choice either. But I haven't drunk the radical right wing koolaid or been through the mental reprogramming required to fanatically throw feces at her from the monkey cage. I DO think she'd make a better president than the current one. I can't find a single choice apart from invading Afghanistan where Bush did ANYTHING in service of the United States rather than some fat cat campaign contributor.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 5 days ago

SA, I can see it all coming apart if BHO gets screwed on this nomination. Whether that happens or not.... I would really hate to be a Dem fat cat an have to part with my hard earned to donate to such a lame prospect.Hey Del, I only go to good movies. As such, I can't tell you what year it was, but the last movie I saw in a theater was the original "Men in Black". I took my preteen son.YooperJack

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 6 days ago

Jackson,Go back and see what Obama has said about guns. This guy is to the left of HILL and she is rabidly anti-gun. McCain isn't exactly like having Charleton Heston but he is head and shoulders above the two Dems.SA, My family does not go to movies that feature far left anti american view points (redacted, etc.) or liberal loud mouth stars (Tim Robbins, George Clooney etc).

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from Jackson Landers wrote 6 years 6 days ago

None of the 3 candidates, McCain included, is particularly gun friendly. However, at least Obama doesn't pander or pretend that he is something that he isn't. He doesn't try to fool us, which suggests that he at least respects us. That's more than I can say for Clinton or McCain.He has said that he agrees that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to bear arms. In a field of candidates that doesn't contain a serious pro-gun advocate, I'll settle for Obama and hold him to that statement.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 6 days ago

YoopI don't think we should be playing dirges for the Democratic party just yet. In the trenches they are far better organized than the GOP. They have a majority in Congress as well as more governors.Right now I am cautiously optimistic regarding Sen McCain's chances in November. He still needs to choose his running mate very carefully and find a boatload more money. What happens will largely be determined by how well the Democrats do damage control coming out of their convention this summer. I do think -- for right or wrong reasons -- a lot of white male voters on the middle and even slightly left thereof will hold their noses and pull McCain's lever which ever Democrat wins the nomination. HRC has already learned that she can not count on a women voter surge. Obama's organization has registered a hell of a lot of young new voters though.A wounded Democratic party on the national level is not the worst thing either. I would like to see a viable third party with Libertarian/Jeffersonian ideology take some power from the left and the right and get us more centered. Cutting the influence of Hollywood and the Liberal Left Media as well as cutting the influence of the far right on our process should be a priority for all of us.SA

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 6 days ago

Mike:Again we disagree! When you have a President that, prior to his election, said "I hate the military". You can't expect any type of esprit de corps after his election. He cut the defense budget to the point that they couldn't function. You and I are arguing about historical perspective so if HRC wasn't running, this discussion would be moot. With her running, this discussion is still moot because I don't believe that she has a snowball's chance in hell of ever being the POTUS.My big problem is the Democrat Party. Sometime between now and their convention, they will realize that BHO cannot win the general election. If they dump him, they'll permanently lose his supporters (the black vote). If they stick with him, they'll almost certainly lose this election. I think that the end result might possibly be the demise of that political party. The end result will be one political party in this country.While I strongly believe that we, as a country, have tremendous problems to overcome, I also believe that we live in the greatest country that ever existed on Planet Earth. While many of the problems are global, I believe that it will be this country that ultimately solves the problems. Historically, we've always had a two party system, and I believe that this system has gone a long way towards solving past problems. I believe that this system will be necessary to overcome our future problems, and I'm quite pessimistic that the system won't be there.YooperJack

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 6 days ago

Mike:Again we disagree! When you have a President that, prior to his election, said "I hate the military". You can't expect any type of esprit de corps after his election. He cut the defense budget to the point that they couldn't function. You and I are arguing about historical perspective so if HRC wasn't running, this discussion would be moot. With her running, this discussion is still moot because I don't believe that she has a snowball's chance in hell of ever being the POTUS.My big problem is the Democrat Party. Sometime between now and their convention, they will realize that BHO cannot win the general election. If they dump him, they'll permanently lose his supporters (the black vote). If they stick with him, they'll almost certainly lose this election. I think that the end result might possibly be the demise of that political party. The end result will be one political party in this country.While I strongly believe that we, as a country, have tremendous problems to overcome, I also believe that we live in the greatest country that ever existed on Planet Earth. While many of the problems are global, I believe that it will be this country that ultimately solves the problems. Historically, we've always had a two party system, and I believe that this system has gone a long way towards solving past problems. I believe that this system will be necessary to overcome our future problems, and I'm quite pessimistic that the system won't be there.YooperJack

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 6 days ago

The plain fact is one doesn't need to have military experience to be a great president, even though the Presidency gives one authority over the military; one doesn't have to have served a day in combat or in the military to understand the value of expert advise. FDR's administration of WW2 is proof enough of that. Likewise, being a servicemember doesn't mean that a pres will know jack squat about warfare, how to wage it effectively, or how to recognize good advice. The current President is proof enough of that.As for Clinton, the only military people whose morale suffered under Pres Clinton were partisan scumbags who would have kissed GHW Bush's posterior and worshipped things that emerged therefrom, if the former had been reelected to a second term and done EXACTLY the same things (militarily speaking) as Clinton.Nor was Clinton a draft dodger. Anyone who makes that assertion is as full of beans as the idiots who accused GW Bush of cheating his service term. I'm no Bush fan clearly, but lies do not become any of us.

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from eyeball wrote 6 years 6 days ago

Military service should be a strong qualification for the job of President of the US, not because ex-military are necessarily better than the rest of us (although it's possible they are), but because when elected the President gets an automatic promotion to five star general of the army, air force, and marines, and five star admiral of the navy, etc. I ask you, would you make somebody manager of a Donalds if he'd never made a hamburger?Obama plans to withdraw troops immediately from Iraq, and cut our forces to the bone; Hillary outright loathes the military. This isn't 1992; today the world is a dangerous place. We can't afford to make this election into a beauty contest. Bill Clinton damaged military morale more just by being his draft dodging self than George W. does by extending tours of duty. Someone who has no respect for the military or its mission (Obama) or who outright hates it (Clinton) is unqualified to be president.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 1 week ago

"He is however, obviously, HRC's cousin (no one else would so vehemently defend her!)!"Just a sense of chivalry or something. I'm sure it makes me a real neanderthal."MD has not a shred of respect for GWB and that is sad indeed."Nothing sad about it. Morally and ethically, and with respect to fidelity to oath of office and to the US Constitution, "Slick Willie" is a saint compared to Perp George. If there's a treason charge to be made, I'd make it on the "signing statements" added by Perp George in which he declares himself to be above the law.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Heavens to mergatroid! I almost have to agree with Mike Deihl again. Almost. He is right about true conservatives. He is right about Obama. He is however, obviously, HRC's cousin (no one else would so vehemently defend her!)!Eyeball made a very good point above when describing the challenges that this current administration has faced; they have certainly had stumbles but have overall brought the country through. MD has not a shred of respect for GWB and that is sad indeed.It seems that every election cycle we remark that the mudslinging is the 'Worst ever.' This time we might just be right, So far it looks like the Republicans are going to benefit. More previously doubtfull middle of the road voters are swinging to McCain; a lot of weight has to go on the Veep choice now. For McCain I'd like to see a moderate such as Christine Todd Whitman or Colon Powell versus appeasing the right too much with Huckabee. McCain really doesn't have to cow-tow to the right as much, they will vote for him anyway to keep either HRC or Obama out.There is this idea that military service is necessary to make a good President. I would say we have had good, even near great, Presidents who did not have distinguished military service and on the other hand we have had awful Presidents who did have distinguished military service. Grant was a well respected General (military historians differ on how good he actually was) as President he was drunk most of the time. Yes the reverse is true as well; Teddy Roosevelt is revered as a Great President in many circles and had a storied military career, Ike was a good President but a better General. Dare I say JFK was not a particularly good President, GHW Bush isn't likely to be lauded by Presidential historians either; both had excellent service records from World War 2. Peanuts Carter served in the Navy and must have hated it because he SCREWED our military every which way and didn't do much for the rest of the country either. Reagan did serve though without particular distinction. Slick Willy should have served time in Leavenworth for Treason instead we elected and reelected the dirtbag; while Americans were fighting and dying in Vietnam he was over in Moscow protesting the war in Red Square.Silver Arrow is climbing down from the soapbox now!SA

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Sorry that Newsweek article was Dec 2007.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Dukakis never claimed he was a war hero or a gung ho guy. He went for a ride in a tank. If he hadn't looked like a silly short guy in a small helmet, no one would have noticed. Dukakis was and is a stand up guy, and unlike, for example, Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush, Mike Dukakis served overseas in the US military. He just isn't the kind of guy who tries to pass of "Honorably Discharged" as "War Hero," and isn't the kind of guy who would proclaim that military services equates with "can do no wrong."More than that, no one ever caught Dukakis in a lie. And that is better than the record of Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton, and GWBush by a long long shot.Had Dukakis been our president the last 4 years, we'd all be a lot better off.Second, for the people slamming Sen. Clinton over her campaign tactics, especially the recent Obama gaffes, recall this: in Dec 2006, Obama called Clinton "disingenuous" in a Newsweek article. When asked by the reported whether he was calling Sen. a "liar" his reply was "Ask Senator Clinton." But Obama could not or would not actually specifically state what she may have lied about.I'm sorry, call her a liar and then ask her to make his case for him? That's baloney.When Sen Clinton observed that Pres Johnson put Federal teeth into the various civil rights acts, Obama tried to make Clinton out as some sort of racist."Obama the Uniter?" "Saint Obama the Straight Shooting Clean Campaigner?" Give me a break! I could vote for Sen. Clinton but never for Obama.Almost certainly I will hold my nose and vote for McCain. But let's get one thing clear. There ARE NO true CONSERVATIVES in the Republican Party.Real conservatives don't wear their religion on their sleeves, the don't start baloney wars, they don't diss all over the Constitution &c, they do try to reduce the size of government, they do try to reduce taxes, they do respect the conservation ethic espoused by President Roosevelt (TR that is), and they DO try to keep the government nose out of citizens' private concerns.

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from shootreadyaim wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I would also add, that people who use rifles for duck hunting usually end in failure.

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from shootreadyaim wrote 6 years 1 week ago

A guy on local radio read the whole "elitist" transcript. He first played part of it, and the sound is terrible, that's why we don't hear the recording firsthand. I'm no O'bamian, but his words were taken out of context, totally blown out of proportion and (she) picked and chose excerpts of it to present. He wasn't really talking about middle Americans, as much as alienation most people EVERYWHERE feel by our current government. The way the whole thing went, I didn't feel offended by it, as a proud gunowner.It really bugs me when statements are presented out of context like this. Especially when the accuser can hide behind an unbroadcastable, almost inaudible recording.

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from skip wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Great piece and great responses. Esp liked Silver Arrow's resp - right on the money. These bastards will say anything, promise anything, do anything to get elected. Remember Dukukkah Dukakis in the tank turret and "fast Boat" Kerry in well-pressed duck hunting garb?? And Bill and Hillary have made $100 million bucks in the last several years - jeezuz, the only way they could do better is have their own mint. It is mostly about power and money folks. How could the Dems (the donkeys) have allowed these two morons to get this far in the process. Heaven help us all.The Skippah

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from ncpilot wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Duff you are right. Idiots don't know when and lets face it, they just can't shut up. Let them enjoy the long primary and suffer the consequences of thier lack of substantive comments and abundance of silly lies. Wake up people who love OHB and HRC. They will be a disaster for America.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Del in KSNO JOKE! LMAO!!

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Clay Cooper, Hillery said she was in the duck blind with her rifle and that she shot a banded duck. I saw the film clip on Fox news.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

DanHillary saying she duck hunting with a rifle? It wouldn’t surprise me!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

The problem with Unions is simple. Everyone wants to be taken care of, from cradle to grave! Take General Motors for example, the last figure I read is, 60 percent of their revenue goes to taking care of the cradle to grave group. There was a die cast business next door to Saint Clair Die cast in St. Clair Mo that talked about going Union. I told them not to do it and if they did, there job will go south of the border. The outsider Union recruiter told them this would not happen when they go Union, which they did. A short time later, they all lost their job and the work went south!Stupid People deserve it!SO HERE’S YOUR SIGN!O’BOMBA and SHRILLRY are nothing more than Judas goats to take America down the road to destruction! And everyone of their loyalist are singing “O’HAPPY DAYS!” to their false prophet!What I don’t understand is the Rip Van Winkle finally waking up and another Sir Isaac Newton rediscovering gravity crowed, realizing what O’BOMBA and SHRILLARY stand for? It’s simple; they are what crowd they are with!Had A Woman from Sierra Club Member walkup to me while watering the lawn last year and said that they realized that both those is the Sierra Club and the Hunting community share common goals so they were out to recruit them. I wonder if was to recruit them for additional revenue and numbers or was their some truth behind what she said?The day that the Sierra Club and Clubs like North American Hunting Club truly join forces, I’ll let Davis E. Petzal shave my head personally on national hunting television for all to watch! Personally, I would welcome that day!!

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from Matt wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Mike,Hillary as a good President? Whatever you have been smoking, please pass me a hit! Besides the obvious fact that you can kiss goodby to anything more powerful than a Red Rider BB gun (these of course, will have to be registered and trigger-locked), prepare for an America that would make Lenin proud. The bastard who helped co-design her disasterous and failed first health care package is working on her current campaign. If she gets into office and you get sick may God help you. Expect her to coddle up to the UN far more than Bubba did. She has expressed support for every hate crimes bill and "thought-police" legislation that has come up. We already had one Clinton running this country into the ground. At least the first one was too busy getting blow jobs now and then to really mess things up. Dubya may be a worthless twit but if you think Hillary can't do any worse, be prepared to eat those words.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

The only relation the Clintons have with the Military is, the don’t ask and don’t tell policy, and gutting our Military to a point that we had to pull engines out of our F-15’s and F-16’s and install in another Fighter to keep is out of “Hanger Queen Status” which counts against the Squadrons rating of excellence. O’yes and let us Military Folks not to forget, cannibalizing parts from one aircraft and other equipment to fix other aircraft and equipment, then had to order and install missing parts that was removed . This happened to a RF-4 that was totally striped and when they reinstalled everything, they had to fill out a Air Force Form 486 to permanently taking it out of the Air Force Inventory due to unable to resolve massive electrical and hydraulic leaks. And barrowing personnel from another Squadron to fulfill their lack of ability for deployments due to manning cuts. Bill or Hillary joining the Military? That’s a first one on us Arkansas Folks! I’m still waiting for someone to ask Ol’Slick Willy about Mena Arkansas!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 1 week ago

The sixth President of the United States, John Quincy Adams, never served in the armed forces of any nation, and was an outstanding president.Military experience seems irrelevant for knowing whether or not a leader will conduct himself morally, ethically, or will faitfully uphold his oath of office. Our current president is a lout in every measure of integrity that a sane person can devise.I think Senator Clinton has what it takes to be a good president. Certainly she could do no worse than the George W. Bush. The only remaining Presidential candidate that of whom I take a dim view is Obama. Huckabee, however, would drive me away from McCain should Huck show up as the Veep nominee.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 1 week ago

PetzalWTF is a Sierra Club advert doing on this page? The liberal tree huggers have a meltdown or something?Jeez

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

james tTell me what branch of the military Bill Clinton served in?Dodging the draft doesn't count either.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 1 week ago

We have an amazing economy going here. A very high ratio of noise to signal.

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from james t wrote 6 years 1 week ago

if hillary or obama get in office will they be the first pres. to not have served in the military in any way, shape or form? talk about out of touch. mcCain has more experience than both of them put together and is a gun owner.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Thats Jesse and Al.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Go to NEWSMAX and read the report on Rev J. Wright. They investigated Wright and Obama and documented numerous lies told by both. Example Obama recently explained Wright's recent "hate America" tyrade. He said Wright went thru all sorts of grief growing up in a segregated school with discrimination. Ronald Kessler did exhaustive research even talking to Wrights HS classmates.The truth is wright went to the best schools and was not segregated. He now is building a huge million+ dollar home in Chicago. There's lots more this is a good read. This guy is as big a poverty pimp as Jeaae and Al.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Enough Hillary and Ob(s)ama drivel.I ain't voting for no F'ing Clinton or anyone named Hussein. I could give a rat's a$$ about the party. One is a lying thieving politician and the other has too many close(?) ties to radicals of several persuasions.I think I'll be elk hunting on election day.

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from Dan wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Is this the same Hillary who, at one time, was telling a story about duck hunting in Arkansas with a rifle? Nuff said.

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from Matt wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Oh, come on Dave! You know perfectly well that no number of chimpanzees over any amount of time would ever come up "It Takes a Village". Natural selection would take care of such pathetic creatures swiftly. It is only in the primordial swamp that is Washington D.C. that the lower forms of life have been able to dodge the natural choice of elevating themselves or perishing.

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from eyeball wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Steve S;I think history will be kinder to George W. than the current press is. Since in office, he's had to deal with 911, a mideast ruled by idiots racing to see which of them could build the first nuke, and the most expensive hurricanes in history (Ivan and Katrina) that destroyed half the gulf coast. You'd have to go back to Franklin Roosevelt to come up with a president who took office with bigger challenges to deal with than W. As if that isn't enough, the economy he presides over is being torpedoed by fast rising oil prices, not anything he's done.W doesn't run the country by himself; he has a Democrat ruled congress to help him. You don't have much to say about them, I notice.And as we presently have a volunteer military in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is hardly fair for you to claim that 'your generation' is being singled out; those MEN (and brave women) are there because they know that someone has to be. If you and your buddies want to stay safe, sit home.That W has made mistakes is obvious, but if you think either Al Gore or John Kerry could have done any better (or as well) as W did with what he had to deal with, you need to get your head out of your My Space and into reality.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Jim in Mo.Yeah, we had a sucky union. I have worked many non-union jobs since then and have done well. Filthy rich?Not by any means, and I didn't have to "pay" for a job.Bubba

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 1 week ago

mr.bDirty little secret of Wal-Mart health care the employees don’t know, if your picked up by an ambulance and not admitted, you’re stuck with the ambulance bill!

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Yooperjack,I was a career soldier when that SOB Carter was POTUS. We got 3% pay raises while inflation was three times that. Many good soldiers got out of the service. One of my friends was on that C130 that burned in the Iranian desert during the aborted rescue of the Embassy hostages. The services did not have sufficient parts to keep aircraft flying and ships at sea. Ronald Reagan was a godsend. He righted a sinking ship. Now we are in danger of having another left wing idiot in the white house at a time when there is grave danger from radical muslims. You may recall that the Shah of Iran was one of our strongest allies before he was undermined by Carter and then overthrown by the Ayatolla. Carter, Pelosi, Reid and their ilk are and should be tried as traitors.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Yooperjack,You are right on about Obama and Carter. He is a clueless freshman Senator that can give a good speach without saying anything. He gets a free pass from the liberal press and 90% of the black people will vote for him because he is black. G. Farraro was exactly right and she had to step down. To criticize him is to be slapped with the race card by the far left.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 1 week ago

You guys can talk about unions, good or bad, all you want. Never belonged to one. I applied for closed shop union jobs, probably 5 or 6 times.In Osama Obama, we have a candidate who is campaigning with a style almost identical to Jimmy Carter. His rhetoric, based on platitudes is the same. His lack of substance with potential solutions is identical. Many of you were to young to remember the results of his administration. We had unemployment rates between 12 and 15 per cent. The inflation rate was similar. Somewhere around 20,000 Viet Nam Veterans died (suicide) because they couldn't find jobs. These guys would apply for a job. Not satisfied with just sending a rejection letter, companies and Gov't Agencies would demand appologies from them for wasting their valuable time with those job applications.You can talk union/nonunion. You can talk open shop/closed shop. But when you're faced with conditions like above, you're probably screwed.YooperJack

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Guys,I have been in a union 7 yrs and was in management 8 yrs (resigned went back to craft). IMHO there are draw backs to both that could be fixed with a better agreement. There are some SOB's and some good guys on both sides. That's all I have to say about that.

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from mr.b wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Better yet-go to work for Wal-Mart. They are anti-union, and the country's biggest employer. I hear they pay real good too!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Stopped by the Post Office on the way home tonight to give Uncle Sam and the State $7,000.00 more dollars that Capitol Hill doesn’t deserve, just to hand out to some pork barrel project and some unwed Brood Mare Momma that keep the aspirin between her knees etc!A group of couples came walking out of the Post Office complaining to having to pay extra and said they are voting for O’BOMBA. I asked them what they thought if Governor Mike Huckabee would have made President. They said they would have moved overseas and I responded, one thing I don’t like is ignorant people. So tell me, what do you think about that? They agreed with me!STUPID PEOPLEHERE’S YOUR SIGN!

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Semp,Democrats get a pass in the liberal press Republicans get to resign. That is obvious to anyone that watches the news every day.Today the Chicago police shot a mountain lion that was running loose in the city.Just read that the Bush administration will not let Iran build a nuke. Iran is working hard at enriching uranium. Don't be surprized if the US or Israel take action soon. If so the price of gas will spike again. The writer (retired Maj. General) said of all the hot spots Iran is the key to world peace. They (we) sorely need regime change there. I suspect it will be some type of air strike not an invasion.If the Dems take over and do nothing expect world chaos when Iran inevitably builds a nuke.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Bubba,You had a shitty union, thats your fault. Back off. Be a man and kick the pricks out of office or don't work there. I told the teamsters to kiss my ass. Bunch of crooks in the particular shop they wanted me to pay dues. Moved on. Other teamsters has it much better than me cause they had balls. I'm retired UAW but I respect guys who'll fight not cave in.

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from mr.b wrote 6 years 1 week ago

By the way-in light of recent commentary--the wages you were getting in that "closed" shop was negotiated by the union. The working wage wasn't courtesy of benevolent management! You want the better wage? Pay your fair share! If that aint good enough- refuse to except your next raise or COLA!

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from mr.b wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Amen Jim in Mo.!! The young men today have no concept of where this country is headed. Soon when the brain-washing is complete, (union=bad) and the Robber-Barons rule is absolute, the eyes will be opened to what caused unions to be formed to begin with. Organized labor is not to blame for industries' downfall. The blue collar only produces what some twit has dreamed up. The oil embargo of the 70s should have been a clear warning to the auto execs to come up with a more fuel efficient product. BUT, there was more MONEY to be made selling 8 mpg land yachts! Now they sold the public on the idea that it's the high cost of labor that has ruined their market share! B!S.! Do some research before you bash unions bro. Please don't bother with the old line about the unions saving the bad employees job either--if management does THEIR job, follows the bargaining agreement, and documents,-anyone can be fired. I hope you never need one--but chances are when some manager screws you-you'll wish to God you had one......

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

For the uninitiated, "Closed Shop" means that you must either "join" the union or find another job!Basically, the union is telling the company they can hire whomever they please, but they "MUST" join the union to maintain employement!Bubba

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Jim in Mo.Let's don't get started on labor unions. I worked a closed shop job for 14 years.When the local chairman was accosted by his "bretheren" because he turned in "their" claims on his own behalf, the supervisor sent proof of what he was doing to the "people", within 30 minutes, the personnel mgr phoned the supervisor and informed him if he liked his job, he would never again "bother" the local chairman! We tried voting the guy out many times, I "know" the election was fixed, but there was never proof! Due to the claims, his pay check (I saw it!) as much as 3/4 times more than the average! Not only that, within 3 years, my position was extinct!Union my left hind leg!Bubba

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from semp wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Guys ... I'm missing something here. Bill Clinton ... the sitting President of the United States sodomizes a White House Intern 30 years his junior with a friggin Cuban cigar in the White House ... He not only get's away with it but he now sits on about $800 million dollars just thrown at him ,,, for what? But ... that's not enough .., he and his co-conspirator wife are tryinig to take the White House again? They belong in the Big House not the White House.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Peter,Outdated labor unions!!Have you ever had your boss tell you your not needed anymore because you hurt yourself--while on the job--to badly to be of any use to the company? I Have. Keep your mouth shut until you've gotten your pretty finger nails dirty.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Steve S,No,its not the 'old heads' saying the drilling can't happen. It's the lobbyist. Off shore drilling or expansion of drilling in Gulf of Mexico has been limited if not stopped by the tourism/hotel lobbyist. They carry a lot of weight in D.C. Check it out.Also if the anti-nuclear people need to be educated take a trip to France, those people have it figured out (boy I hated saying that). Saw a great 60 minute report and they kept their nuclear facilities going, expanding, improving and are doing fine, in fact fantastic. While here, the tree huggers have shut us down. We (America) don't need to talk to them, just eliminate the red tape.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I would like to add China to that list of things that is hurting Michigan as well. Because they are stealing are manufacturing.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

To Steve S,As far as the recession goes. It is a normal part of a free enterprise business cycle, high school economics. We have had them ever since the begining of this country. To some extent ...it actually matters very little about who is in office, but rather business regulated by supply and demand.Also this current recession varies state by state. Michigan, where i live..at least for a few more weeks.. is suffering very badly. Due, partly to the fact of a retarded governor and outdated labor unions. Texas, Louisiana are actually on the upswing of things.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Kinda off the beaten path, Steve S, but I heard a Electric Co-op Exec say that "one" of the reasons no nuke plants were being considered is because the licensing process has been lost to the ages. It has been so long since one was licensed (cleared for construction), nobody knows the process anymore!Bubba

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from Steve S wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Del in KS -" so don't tell me how bad your genation has had it."Where did I say that?I'm not naive. I know other generations have done a lot more to get us to where we are. But as someone who has done a lot for this country, doesn't it make you upset to watch it go down the same redundant path?And about people saying " no " to nuclear power plants and more refineries? Who are those people? 25 year old wonder CEO's? Nope. They are old heads who have the power. Not my generation.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 1 week ago

"The way I see it, anyone who would prefer a lifetime of Bush's policies needs to get out of the driver's seat and let someone else drive."That is the truth for sure. I don't have much use for the current crop of democrats, but the last time the United States had a GOP president worth his weight in toilet tissue, Eisenhower was the pres.As for the current crop of politicians, I wouldn't waste a bladder full of p*ss on any one of 'em was they on fire and no water in sight.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Steve SI would like to add that your generation is killing each other over drugs and gangs at a rate much faster than our war loses.We should be building nuclear power plants and refineries but too many people say no. I recently read in a magazine that the red tape for a new refinery is estimated to cost $1 billion before ground breaking so Exxon and others do not build new ones. They have increased size and output of the ones they have.Most are at full capacity and if there is a fire or accident the price of gas spikes up.

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from Carney wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Proverbs 29:2 "When the righteous thrive, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule, the people groan."Groaning is the reality, but not the solution.Let's live right, raise our kids right, be thankful, stick together on the important moral issues, be fearless in standing against the wicked tide of our culture, be honest in everything, honor God and the authorities and be willing to fight to the death if the cause is worthy and just. Our opponents are mere men.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Steve S,Reccommend you stop getting your news from the liberal press (NBC,CBS,CNN,MSNBC). Also note that only about 4000 have been lost in this war. We lost nearly 60,000 in Viet nam and 400,000 in WW 2. We spend more money on social programs than the current war. When the towers were hit we lost more people than at Pearl Harbor. Better to fight those bastards in Irag with our soldiers than here with our police and fire dept. History will show that Mr. Bush was not so bad. There has not been any more attacks on American soil.Oil is a world wide commodity the President does not control. If you want to bring the price down get your liberal friends to cut the red tape for building refineries and allow drilling off our coasts and in ANWR. This writer is a 10 point disabled veteran of Viet Nam so don't tell me how bad your genation has had it.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Steve S.You quoted statistics from historians re the Presidency of George W. Bush. Please note that we're still in that Administration. As such, anyone who comments about the historical significance of this era is a moron. IT'S NOT HISTORY! IT'S CURRENT EVENTS!History, by definition, is an analysis of the past. We do not know yet, the ramifications of our going to war in Iraq. We also don't know, what effect our occupation will have with respect to Iran, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. None of these countries are very stable.What if, hypothetically, BHO is our next POTUS? What if he suspends our surveillance of terrorist groups, withdraws from the Middle East, then we suffer another 9/11 type attack? How does GWB measure up then from a historical perspective?YooperJack

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from james t wrote 6 years 1 week ago

ok guys no more talk about obama or the hill. you might make steve s or evan upset. just crush both at the polls! and would someone please quit inviting people like obama to this country!!!!!!

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from mr.b wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Anyway you look at this election-we lose. God help us all.......

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from Steve S wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Maybe its because I'm young ( 25 ), but I can't figure out what part of the last 8 years was my favorite....Was it the 5 year war ( and counting ) that is costing my generation ( and future ) a fortune in blood and money? or maybe that awesome housing crisis? I really loved how we took a surplus and turned into a defecit. And dang, those gas prices are a lot of fun. And man, I love this whole recession thing. Not to mention being lied to about WMD's and yellowcake. Dang. Those were great times.The way I see it, anyone who would prefer a lifetime of Bush's policies needs to get out of the driver's seat and let someone else drive.It may be time for an eye exam....

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from Chad wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I am a proud gun owning resident of Pennsylvania and I cannot wait until the day Fast Eddie leaves Harrisburg for good. Hillary will win PA over Obama, but McCain will come in and win the general election

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from Peter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

To Steve S again,I have to rephrase something I said and in turn disagree with you on something. We don't need new ideas. We need Old Ideas. Like those of Thomas Jefferson and Ronald Reagan. This country needs to get back to its constition!

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from Peter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

To Steve S.I personally agree that the Republicans have really screwed up things the last few years. I think we do need new ideas. However, I don't believe that either the Democrats or the Republicans have the answeres. The U.S. people need to quit voting in people that will do more for them and start voting people in that will start reducing our Bureaucracy, and getting the Federal Government out of personal business and let States which are more easily controlled by the people of this wonderful country. The Supreme Courts reaction to cases like Roe v Wade and others should have been.. Not our problem,let your state fix it.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Steve SI would prefer a life time of GWB, (theoretically speaking, of course!) to five minutes of HRC or BHO!I know FDR was re-elected an unprecedented 3! times and no, that's not what I'm advocating, even though FDR did a magnificent job of guiding us(America, that is!) through WW II! I wonder how HST or some other incumbent would have handled "that" situation AND how it would have turned out!BUT, (oh dear, the but [butt?!]thing again!) to be perfectly honest, I don't have any idea what kind of POTUS HRC or BHO would make, but I'm just pretty damn sure "I" don't want to find out! And I'll make sure in November, that I do "my" part in saying, "Not no, but HELL NO!!!!"I truly think there are both blacks and women out there that would do a commendable job as POTUS! I also think that there may be some Democrats in the same boat! I would even give John Edwards a shot over the other two!I DO NOT think that HRC OR Obama either one is the person we need in the Oval Office!Bubba

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from eyeball wrote 6 years 1 week ago

That "put a million chimps on a million typewriters forever, and sooner or later one will write a Shakespeare play" line has been refuted. We have been pounding away on the Internet for quite some time, and no Shakespeare has appeared yet.The sad thing about Obama's comment is that he most likely meant it in an understanding way. He doesn't hate us for our beliefs, he pities us for them. And when he is elected President, he will move to legally correct our flawed opinions with the patience of a parent explaining to a six year old why it is wrong to play with the stove.Liberal elites seem to have the opinion that those who disagree with them are 1. Ignorant (I meant educationally disadvantaged), 2. Stupid (intellectually challenged, sorry), 3. Crazy (socially maladjusted, again, sorry), or 4. Evil (knows better, but has an agenda). That is why they seem to spend more time analyzing us than debating us. I'm tired of it, though, and I have been for about thirty years. I pray neither Democrat gets elected.

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from eyeball wrote 6 years 1 week ago

That "put a million chimps on a million typewriters forever, and sooner or later one will write a Shakespeare play" line has been refuted. We have been pounding away on the Internet for quite some time, and no Shakespeare has appeared yet.The sad thing about Obama's comment is that he most likely meant it in an understanding way. He doesn't hate us for our beliefs, he pities us for them. And when he is elected President, he will move to legally correct our flawed opinions with the patience of a parent explaining to a six year old why it is wrong to play with the stove.Liberal elites seem to have the opinion that those who disagree with them are 1. Ignorant (I meant educationally disadvantaged), 2. Stupid (intellectually challenged, sorry), 3. Crazy (socially maladjusted, again, sorry), or 4. Evil (knows better, but has an agenda). That is why they seem to spend more time analyzing us than debating us. I'm tired of it, though, and I have been for about thirty years. I pray neither Democrat gets elected.

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from semp wrote 6 years 1 week ago

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from Steve S wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Bubba-Would you take 8 more years of Bush or 4 / 8 years of Obama?Just to gauge things....

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Steve SOR Obama's!!!!Bubba

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from Steve S wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I'm sure I'll get shouted down on this bog, but I found this...."The nonprofit History News Network is reporting that in an informal survey of 109 historians, 98.2 percent considered President George W. Bush’s presidency to be a failure, while 1.8 percent called it a success."Everyone on this site is saying how bad the Dems are, but look at the past 8 years. Face reality. The reps did a horrible job. Maybe its time for new ideas.So long as they aren't hillary's.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Obama's trying write this off as "just making a mistake in something he said" you don't just make a "mistake" like that. not when youve been in public office and spoke like Obama has. Its just his true opinion coming out.I heard one Senator talking about how people overlook politicians "mistakes" by saying "o he tried" lol he said ya You take your car to get fixed, get it back and the engines gone. " o well the guy tried" right

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Milton Burton:We are residents of Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Not to be confused with "Trolls" who reside below the bridge (sorry Thomas). Since we always refer to the two peninsulas, those of us in the U.P. are Yoopers. You can tell us pretty easily. Most of us have cars and trucks with custom paint jobs, not available in showrooms. Usually a brown car, 1 green door. Maybe a blue pickup, red box. Economically, we're a bit depressed but the hunting and fishing is sometimes pretty good and the crime rate is fairly low.YooperJack

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from Andrew wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Bubba. Liberal / conservative differences are very simple. What complicates matters is when a liberal, like Obama, claims to be "post partisan" or moderate when he's absolutely part of the left wing. When Obama says he never wanted to ban hand guns- that blurs the issue. Anyone who thinks John McCain is part of the right wing needs to take a closer look at his record. Instead of endless boring debates we should hook candidates up to a lie detector and ask 20 questions on live TV-

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I think Dems should all give Hillary the clap.

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from Milton Burton wrote 6 years 1 week ago

This is to Yooper Jack?What is a "Yooper"?

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from duff wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Let them (Hill & Obie) keep talking...the "best" thing about a long (2 years!) campaign with people like that is they bury themselves...why?...because they can't shutup.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Bubba:You're right on LBJ. I remember those times. In 66 I got my first job, pumping gas. I received $1.00 per hour. My friends were all jealous. It was the biggest station in town and we sold around three times what the other stations sold.I didn't buy much other products so the only way I can relate this is to the price of gas. One hour of labor bought me three gallons at that time. Oh yeah. A Remington 1100 was $175. I still have that shotgun. The elderly Jewish couple that owned the sporting goods store sold that shotgun to me on credit. I don't bird hunt much anymore but that shotgun will never be for sale. Every time I see it, I think of them.YooperJack

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from Evan! wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Osama-Obama jokes! Classic!I'm fine with being "an elitist" if it means I can criticize someone beyond rhyming their name with the name of a bad guy. whew! dumb has a new definition.yrs-Evan!

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from Brian T wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Makes me believe that I have to "talk to the big white telephone" and call "HERB!"

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

YoopIf I'm not mistaken, (and I am alot of the time!) LBJ is the one who "instituted" the "minimum wage" laws!I can remember me and another kid, sweeping the auction barn floor just before the sale for .50 an hour. It took about an hour and we really enjoyed our fifty cents. Next week, I (my mother was the bookkeeper) earned .75 an hour, BUT, it took me 2 hours alone, and it wasn't near as much fun! I made a buck and a half and the barn operator wondered what took me so long! The next week, I didn't (wasn't allowed due to cost) get to sweep!Bubba

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from semp wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Why is it everytime Hillary is shown entering a campaign rally everyone is clapping ... she's clapping usually with her rodent like mouth gasping wide open ... she's dancing ... the people are dancing? It's like some high school pep rally or revival meeting or KoolAid tasting. They all look friggin nuts. It's scary not Presidential?What the hell will her White House be like?

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from semp wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Hillary must wear those 'activated charcoal' Depends.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 1 week ago

How do you stop crime?Enforce a shoot back neighborhood!

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from Michael wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I believe I will move to New Zealand.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Jason:Your comments are 44 years too late. In 1964, LBJ declared a "War on Poverty". This program endeavored to eliminate poverty in America. The minimum wage rate was raised. There were all kinds of federal jobs programs. Discrimination in hiring became illegal. Jobs training programs were started.Someone a lot smarter than me could probably tell you, exactly how much we've spent in the past 44 years, fighting this "war". I know its a lot! Guess what? We still have poor people. But because of this economic burden, it renders us much less competitive in the Global Economy.YooperJack

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from Rob wrote 6 years 1 week ago

People in "fly-over country" may have reason to be dissatisfied, but what made Obama's remarks so offensive is that he said we unwashed and uneducated (OK, I added that bit) people turn to guns and religion to soothe our bitterness. Elitist liberal that he is, he can't understand that people of faith may have actually thought through their beliefs (and have faith anyway) or that shooting and hunting are legitimate hobbies engaged in by people from all walks of life and that their hobby is protected by the 2nd Amendment--which is no less foundational to our system of government than any of the other Amendments.But to his point, which, I think, was economic problems, the solution is not more paternalistic social programs. Am I bitter? Yes. But I'm bitter that Washington can't just leave us the hell alone, not because I think I need a place in line at the government gravy train!

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

JasonThe crime/drug problem in inner cities is NOT an economic problem, it's a personality problem! Gun laws can/will affect these personality flaws, if they are relaxed so that the inner city "people" can protect themselves from the sinner (pun intended) city "slime"!Bubba

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from Jason wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Dems are trying to fix urban crime prolems by passing gun laws. These are really econmic problems and their gun control ideas are misguided. It is unfortunate. The republicans are trying to control the same problems with stiffer sentancing laws and more drug laws. Once again it misses the point of the huge economic probles in the inner cities. These are symptoms that come with low wages and no economic advantage. That is why neither have worked very well and will continue to not work very well. It is not that both parties are not trying. It is that they don't realize the problem.

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I believe that I finally figured out who the true NUTS are concerning gun NUTS, plus like most nuts there is a pair of them. I don't trust either candidate's words or actions.We all know people who would make substancially better presidents than either of these two purveyors of smoke and mirrors. Surely Teddy Roosevelt has a near identical descendant somewhere that wants to be president.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

One more thing, if you made a large tub and burned corn cobs, a substance called lunkers will accumulate on the bottom and yes, it’s a radioactive substance!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Two years ago, the Montana Governor said that his state can produce fuel, Diesel, Gasoline, Home Heating Fuel and Aviation Fuel for a $1.25 a gallon regardless of the price of oil. Yep, you al asleep on that watch! And think of all that phosphorus from all that fertilizer that is running of all those corn fields into the Gulf of Mexico. Phosphorus is a Marine Pollutant.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

And Jimmy Carter wants to do what!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Is Rip Van Winkle finally waking up or is it another Sir Isaac Newton rediscovering gravity.Everyone been standing chin deep in this crap and the smell has been horrid for as long as I can remember and now someone is saying, The Truth Revealed! Talk about someone being out to lunch!Hey you sleepy heads, it’s time to wake UP!Remember when Wayne LaPierre said along the line that the Clinton administration has accepted a certain level of death and destruction to achieve their political ambition. The Democratic Party has taken that idea and went all the way with it. It has become the common goal and the norm for the Democratic Party to allow the death and destruction at any cost to further their goals!Remeber Mena Arkansas? We do!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Troll and SilverArrow are both on to something. We always seem to be voting for te lesser of two evils because both parties have left us. With the Democrats, however, I believe it might be fatal. The leadership of that party is detached from us, the "little people". Excacerbating this problem, is that they have been bolstered by both Main Stream Media and Hollywood. I honestly can't see them coming back. When was the last time that a Democratic Presidential Candidate actively hunted? I mean bought hunting licenses prior to running for that office. If one actually did, he would be laughed out of that party!YooperJack

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Timberline, I agree. Don't trust anyone who agrees with everthing you say or think. Somethings up, don't they have a thought of their own? They'll screw you in a heart beat.The best conversations is aroud a breakfast table or a fire laughing and talking about some idiodik(sp) idea one of your good friends just said, and then go to bed knowing its ok to agree to disagree.

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from Timberline wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I recieved the same survey. Mine came out to be John McCain that i agreed with the most and i believe it was 76% of the time. i don't believe any two people will agree all the time and we all know politicians ain't people.

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 6 years 1 week ago

I really appreciated the comments by SilverArrow and Mike Diehl. I don't find my beliefs aligned with either the conservative right OR the liberal left. A few weeks ago a former colleague sent me a politics "test." After having answered fifteen or so questions the test identified which of the nine candidates most aligned with my beliefs on: healthcare, the war, 2nd amendment, abortion, immigration, etc. The "best" candidate (i.e. the one who voted or campaigned on issues most important to me) agreed with me on only 46% of my answers. Regardless of who ends up in the White House I'll disagree with over half of what they are trying to accomplish or change in the USA.As long as we're discussing politics I'd invite you all to read an article published in this month’s issue (April 2008) of Field & Stream by Bob Marshal on page 35 (or in the FIELD NOTES blog at the following link):http://fieldandstream.blogs.com/news/2008/03/conservation-ca.htmlIf you want something to shoot at with your second amendment-protected guns, read this and write your congressman now. -I did.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Hillary said 'they believe'. Thats us. If elected she'll waste no time letting 'us' know how silly we were having such foolish thoughts like that.I don't think HilOb want to be president they talk like they want to be king.

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from Bobby wrote 6 years 1 week ago

"If by some miracle of divine intervention Sen. Edwards would emerge as the Democratic party nominee, would those who constantly hump the legs of democratic politicians suddenly leap up and say "Hell Yeah!"? He's by far the best candidate for presidential office with respect to the 2nd Amendment but he's off the radar because he had no backing when it was needed."Posted by: Mike Diehl | April 14, 2008 at 03:06 PMAre you serious? Do you even know what the 2nd amendment is?????

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from jstreet wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Obama and Hillary both are just trying to say what it takes to win an election.He stepped in a big pile of $hit with his comment, but let's be real, if Hillary knew how to shoot a gun, Bill would have been shot long ago!Jim

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from Mike Diehl wrote 6 years 1 week ago

To be fair, "believe in" is also a phrase that demonstrates commitment to a cause. Thus one can, for example, believe in renewable energy, despite the fact that the existence of renewable energy is a substantiated fact.No one asked me, but I think the radical right and others less radical but as political such as Mr. Petzal do overreach when carrying on about Sen. Clinton. Yeah, she was for the black rifle and magazine ban. Back in those days, which politician wasn't? We all agree it was a stupid ban, but it's because we have experience with firearms. Politicians are almost universally sheltered, elitist urbanites, or the intermittant rural person (only so darned busy selling "access") that they rarely know the first thing about real life anywhere. I'm surprised no one has told us that it's our duty to buy a paperweight to save the economy yet.So what in the end would you all do about it? It's not like King Geeorge gives a damb about the US Constitution (or any part thereof) any more than Obama or Sen. Clinton.If by some miracle of divine intervention Sen. Edwards would emerge as the Democratic party nominee, would those who constantly hump the legs of democratic politicians suddenly leap up and say "Hell Yeah!"? He's by far the best candidate for presidential office with respect to the 2nd Amendment but he's off the radar because he had no backing when it was needed.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

AndrewThank you for the difference between conservatives and liberals. I have long wished for a simplistic statement, and your's really hit the nail on the head.Bubba

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from Andrew wrote 6 years 1 week ago

It's impossible to separate economic freedom from 2nd amendment freedom, or the right to assemble. Conservatives generally trust individuals and markets and hold people accountable for their own actions. Liberals trust the government as our savoir and often blame society for individual failures. In his heart, Obama wants to ban handguns and require background checks and licensing fees to buy any sort of firearm or ammunition. He's signed papers saying he would ban the sale, manufacture and possession of hand guns ( Obama denied this until they found his hand writing on the documents) and has been very inconsistent when talking about the 2nd Amendment, the individual right to own guns and the DC ban. I had the misfortune on living in New Jersey, where you need a permit to buy B-Bs or a B-B gun. That is our future if Obama has two years with a Democratic Congress. It doesn't mean he's evil or that there is conspiracy to take away our guns. Obama just doesn't trust the "bitter" masses "clinging to guns and god" anymore than he trusts people to keep their own money or parents to chose their schools. Unless there is a 13 year old seeking an abortion, Obama will always chose government over freedom.

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from Dave Petzal wrote 6 years 1 week ago

To Tom the Troll: And let us not neglect those great classics, doing the technicolor yawn and trumpeting tomoatoes.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 1 week ago

My fears and trepidations over the coming election is, well, excelled only by the fear that HRC or BO have a "chance" to win the damn thing!It's just down right scary!Bubba

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 1 week ago

DEPLet's leave the fate of my Yankees out of this!HRC calling Osama/Obama elitist is the pot calling the kettle black; she is at least as bad! Almost all of the current crop of politicos are though. GWB seems to think he was elected King George!I believe that few politicians are in 'our corner' on 2A issues; they just know the consequences of opposing us!Both parties have, to some extent, 'left' their members behind. The Republicans in the shift to radical right certainly aren't 'The Party of Lincoln' or of Teddy Roosevelt anymore! As for the Democrats their leaders have more in common with Chairman Mao than JFK! We in the middle are just chopped liver, throw us a few one liners and we will vote the party our parents did.Obama is correct in saying that a lot of us are fed up! Disgusted is more accurate. Fed up with a Washington DC where the DC should mean Detached from Country. We do want change, change we can believe in and embrace. Change from 'free trade' which costs good American jobs. Change from decisions made to benefit the few at the expense of the rest of us. Change that NONE of these politicos will bring.As a former colleague of mine used to say on every election day "If they are in, vote 'em Out!"SA

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Dave P.I can think other verbiage for saying that the Democratic candidates make you believe you are going to throw up. For example: spew, hurl, up chuck, blow chunks, regurgitate, loose you lunch. But any way you say it listening to the candidates just makes me want to barf.Tom the Troll

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from Will Becker wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Tie their wicked tails together and throw them over the clothes line.We'll stand back and watch em fight it out.We're screwed with either winner.

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Is this a new Outrage, or is it the old Outrage?It doesn’t surprise me much the Democratic Candidates and the DNC are frustrated the middle of the Middle Class is not all that responsive to their platforms.My sentiment the Democratic Party was hijacked and has been run by Leftist Radicals masquerading as Liberals is reaffirmed.

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from Harold wrote 6 years 1 week ago

When Hillery starts talking about shooting with her father, then you may be assured that she was asked about her feelings re. the 2nd Amendment. Bill, when asked the same question, would mention that he was probably the only recent president to go to a gun show. While both "answers" are technically true, these responses are really non-answers designed to deceive people into thinking that the Clintons are at least somewhat pro-gun. As we all know: THEY ARE NOT!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Well, this guy really stepped in it! Between Obama's Pastor, and Obama's Wife, with this speech, we now have an idea as to his true feelings towards us "little people" in flyover country.I'm starting to feel a bit optomistic about Sen. McCain's chances this fall. "Osama" Obama should be an advocate for Gun Control. He just shot himself!YooperJack

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