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December 21, 2007

Why the NRA Should Try Being Reasonable

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

Let's start with point one. If someone mentions compromise, the next phrase out of their mouths is usually "reasonable gun controls." I assure you that the measures Sarah Brady and Barbara Boxer and Chuck Schumer consider reasonable are quite different from what you consider reasonable.

People in the gun-control biz know nothing about guns, hate guns, and harbor a profound fear and mistrust of people who own them. It goes far, far beyond public policy; it is visceral. I cordially invite Mr. Feldman to achieve a meaningful compromise with this bunch, and I advise him to bring lunch because he's going to need it.

About point two: Wonder why Mr. Feldman quoted LaPierre's income for 2005, and not 04 or 06 or 07? It's because an NRA executive incentive plan paid off in that year and one time only, LaPierre did make $950,000. In any other year he makes far, far less, and in fact is paid a lot lower than many heads of other special-interest groups in Washington.

But I would not care much if Wayne LaPierre did pull down nearly a million every year or if the NRA parking lot teemed with Bugattis and Bentleys. Washington runs on money, and every special interest group pays people to keep the gutless twerps in Congress in a state of constant fear. Those who do this successfully are awarded very large sums of money--because they are worth it.

As long as Mr. La Pierre and company remain as terrifying as the Black Death they merit whatever they earn. If they keep Chuck Schumer well supplied with stomach acid they can have my contribution any time.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 11 weeks ago

I would like to offer the NRA a little constructive criticisum.I do believe a lot of money is wasted on these constant renewal alerts. Gentlemen you are preaching to the choir. Cut the notices in half and spend the rest on new membership drives.

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from JeffCooperFan wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

Why can't the anti's get it through their thick craniums. The 2nd ammendment is about our ability to defend ourselves against criminals and potential dictators. The only reasonable gun law that exists is to keep guns out of the hands of violent felons. In my opinion the NFA should have been declared unconstitutional and repealed years ago.

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from Nugefan wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

Spot On Mr. Petzal!!!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

To all who have seen or heard the results of last nights Iowa Corn squenzins better hang on to what you got. From those results, if continues thru NH, Hell will Freeze over. If you saw the DOW results tonight, the market feels the same. We headed down the road to no recovery.No one to throw us a rope, we are on our own. I bet the Muslim world has had a Tea party all day and night, as they now have us in their dress or what-ever you call that bed-sheet they wear . If this country don;t wake up fast and make drastic changes in our long range thinking, we are hopeless lost to a 3rd world country. And, the NRA can;t stop that. Our only chance is to VOTE and take your neighbor to Vote and explain to him the ABC's of life. I or you cannot change what happened l00 yrs ago, but we sure as Hell can change it for now and another 4 years. Yep, the Rich have gotten richer the past 7 years and the poor have gotten poorer and will even more so.I;ve lived almost 73 years and recall the Bad times, fair times, and god times and the Bad again.I hate to think my grandchildren will have to endure the pitfalls some of us have had to cross. Listen to your heart and soul and then decide what is best not only for you but for your family and the country. The path we are beginning to take leads to a dead end with no turn around. Some peope are born leaders, some are born to follow.We all cannot be leaders, so we must follow the best there is to follow. Within a few weeks, I do believe you will see who to follow and that person has got to have enough experience to take on the entire Muslim world. So far we have only had a taste of the damage conrol they got. i for one don;t care to see the remainder. And, as for the NRA, they can;t or wan't be able to help but spend your money. Better save it for ammo. and a R-l5. O how I wish hunting season opened in Am out West, to see the beauty of our MAKERS work, is worth the expense and trip out, even if you don;t pull the trigger.At my age of 72+ just pray can go again this year and enjoy that god-given beauty that is there to enjoy and see. To bad we all not born with enough $ to see this great country, but with some hard work and lots of luck we can see some of it. See you on the trail. Shoot straight and shoot often. The Old Gunslinger down South who can and does shoot well. Be sure and Vote when time comes to your state,one of the few freebies left.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I will assure you they are legal and registered, and I can and will use them when necessary. As for Little G. he listened to no one. He does not have the know how to take advice other than what he so chooses. I do believe even his Mon and Dad have divorsed him as well as JEB Clampett in Fl. Have you forgotten his other brothers sswindle of millions in the S&L scandal years ago. No doubt you recall that we tax payers payed out millions in that little swindle, O how memory is short when it fits our needs. AS for Sex with that WOMAN, manbe she did and he didn;t, were you there? there is a difference I;m told. Hillary is no fool, she knew the way to the WH was with his Help and knowledge. He will go down in history as one of the smartest pres.we ever had, but the Monica L. will overshadow till it runs is course. After 8 years of Bushie Boy, it should have run it's course. I do hope that Hillary does get the health plan approved, as the Medicare plan D that AARP sold us out to W is a joke. All I want is same plan that congress has at same cost to the taxpayers. I got Plan D and it's a joke, the medication they pay for is about l in lK of what we all need. Doubt you recall, but many years Stalin of Russia, stated that a 3rd world country would take over the USA and never fire a shot. Do belive that time has arrived, try buying something not made in China. The NRA is a SHAME, all it does is take our dues and blows it on high $ salaries. Our 2nd amd, is our least worry now, best we worry about those Muslim countries coming over again by PLANE. Hey, o news tonight, believe was 63 of Bushies cabinet who got their degrees by the internet. They available for anyone, believe I will get a PHD or Dr, what-efer it takes to make some extra $$$$ to hunt the Rockies with MY BOLT GUNS and Single Action Handguns, if they don;t work, then will take my Auto's,. But it's not the firearm, it's the man behind teh butt stock that matters, and do confess, a pretty good shot with any firearm. If you recall my previous comments, Pratice and Pratice and do so ofen, shoot straight. Hey, in the MArket for a A. Uberti in 44-40, got one for sell, they about 900.00 bucks. Well, hunting season is now over for this area, so suppose all we can hunt is Politicians for next l0+ months, then back to the basic's, the Rocky Mountains. O I invited Cheney to go along on next trip, so long as he carries a sling-shot HAPPY NRE YEAR All. Hopefully we can resolve the worlds problems in 2008 if not then 2009 for sure.If I;m not around, you guys take csre of things on the home front, as we already lost the rest of the world. When does thr Season close in Canada ?.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

RMHWhat is the Billary plan for jobs? Will she require everything bought here be made here. That idea has some shortfalls, not the least of another World War. Whether we like it or not, the economy is global. Besides, our biggest overseas problem is Red China. Since they are a principal financier of her campaign, you won't many restrictions on anything with respect to that nation.Whose advice should GWB take? Before he went to war in Iraq, he relied on advice from the CIA, the other US Intelligence Agencies, Mossad, Britain's MI6,and Senior Senators and Representatives FROM BOTH PARTIES, including Billary. Had he ignored that advice, he'd be in the same boat, except the madman would still be free.As for investments, in your case I would get rid of those 1911 style handguns,DA Revolvers, any semi-automatic or pump rifles and shotguns and any rifle that could be used for long range sniping. Buy youself an antique style muzzle loader for big game and maybe a SA Revolver for home defense. Those should be safe under a Billary Administration, assumming that they're registered properly.YooperJack

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

RMHThe person in the WH is not the problem, it's the agenda of the Party elected. Our democracy is supposed to be a government "of the people, by the people, for the people!" Personal agendas have no place in a position of power, and we have already heard HRC claim that she "will see that ALL Americans have affordable healthcare, and will pay for it by repealing some of Bush's tax cuts!" Is this not interpreted by saying, "I'll just make sure you pay for your government based health care, whether you like it or not!"?If Bill DID NOT have sex with that woman, what was it?If he thinks being a Rhode's Scholar puts him above the correct answer to that question, what else has he lied about. Yep, I said "LIE"! Not only that, but he went on public television to do it! Ergo: He lied to me publicly!If Hillary will believe that BS, what's she gonna believe from her advisors? Any self respecting female would not, under any circumstances, stay with a man who would cheat and lie like that!If she didn't have her own personal agenda to fill, (re: POTUS) she would have kicked ol' Billy boy back to AR whar he larned thet stuff! Being a divorced woman would have been a hard blemish to cover up. Having the backbone to stand up to WJC would have taken more spine than that but she cratered to her agenda!Maybe Dubya ain't the answer to "a maiden's prayer!", but I can't see the U.S. would have come out better with any of the alternatives available to us at the time!Bubba, aka: "Converted to GOPism after 1 WJC term!"

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Yooper JAck; I don;t know where you live, but where I live, teh jobs are gone and teh cities and counties are draining the home owner to the pits to run the County and City.AS for Education at Yale and Harvard, I have a Nephew who has a degree from both and he don;t have enough common sense to boil water. I thin he is majoring in Education. If he ahd to get a job to make a living he would starbe to death. Common sense will take you a lot further than a degree. AS our folks running for Pres. all strike out. Where are our statesmen as we had back in teh 40's and 50's/ None to be found. This country is going to pay a heavy price from W's stupid mistakes for the past 7 years. He listens to no one, not even his Mom now.His Dad has sense enough not to enter Bagdad, as he had no way out. Little W. did not think that far ahead. All he wanted was to get even with Hussen for the attempt on big W's life??????. If he had chained and taped Cheney's mouth shut, we would not be in l/2 the mess we now in. But, he will not/has not took advice from the EXPERTS period, he's going to do it his way come Hwll or high water. As for Brains, Hillary is head and shouldes above most running. No way could she screw up the country anyway more so than Little W has. I would love to see the Clintons in the W house again, at least we could all pay our bills and have a job.As for Gun Control, forget it, who-ever gets to be Pres. wan;t have time to worry about your firearm, will take all their time trying to make peace with the world and find jobs for those without job and no prospects.Sure some have made it big during W;s term, but the Repbulicians have always looked after their own, that how they stay in powetr and keep the Banks full.Just prove to me, that this country is better off now than it was in 2000?????? and I will listen to you. All my life was told that the Dems looked after the poor and the Reps looked after the Rich? Do believe that has proven correct, or it has in my neck of the woods.Your Guns are safe, just know whetr they are when you need them. Thats what Vaults/Home firearm safes for. A old expression I love, don;t leave home without one, I don;t and sleep with one near by. HAppy New Year, may your pennies turn to dollars, and your job is still there when you return, if you not retired. If retired, best you watch your investments, they on shakey ground now. Those 5-10K hunting trips and l500.00 firearms are History, just wistful thinking. It's magazine time for hunting trips again.Just pray for one more Rocky Mountain hunt, will see come Nov. 2008.

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I see the exorcism has been held for those overwhelmed by the Christmas Spirits.’08 should be quite a year. Can’t wait to see what will be wrought after observing the more thoughtful blogger-mouths on this site.

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from Mock1 wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Dr Ralph, been reading your responses,and everyone else's for about a year now and haven't responded much. Didn't even see a deer today, but got to get out w/ my friend's nephew. I've cooled down after last night's rant and decided not to change my mind at all! Thanks for the compliment. (But don't retire, Ilike you and Coop's input)Mock1

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Just got my AR15 back after having it rebarreled with a 1-9 twist heavy. After sighting it in a 100 yards, my 8 year old Grandson Alex functioned checked it for me with two 20 round and one 30 round mag as fast as he can empty it and I can change mags. The tree stump he was squirting at was safe has long as it remained still! Yep, the barrel did get a bit warm!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Gman:You raise an interesting point. I've always heard that LBJ, who went to a teachers's college in Texas, always felt inadequate around Ivy Leaguers. GWB, and John Kerry both did Yale, and yet Kerry seemed to be the "cerebreal candidate". But frankly, neither let you forget their education. Every speech that Mrs. Bill Clinton gives, contains a reference to both Radcliff and Yale. I enjoy how she can incorporate that into condescending to middle class black women.My gut feeling is that the candidate who DIDN'T go to Yale or Harvard might be the better choice, everything else being equal. There is a sense of infallibilty with those graduates that you and I don't see in the "real world". Keep in mind that one of the better Presidents was Harry Truman, who never went to college.YooperJack

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from Gman wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Yooper,I don't think GWB is organically dumb; I just don't think things like policy were all that exciting to him.Yale and Harvard were very different places when he went; he was the grandson of a senator, son of a war hero/alum/Congressman, and let's not forget that, in his undergrad days at least, the Ivys were all male and "Old Boy."I used to say that in all his public pronouncements that the only thing he sounded really passionate about was physical fitness. And years later I came across this acid quote from James Baker that W's core values were "God and exercise."Had W been a regular Joe who rose to his own level, I think he'd be a successful owner of a chain of health clubs, not POTUS.That said, I think Hillary and Bill were indicative of the first wave of the Ivy "meritocracy," which has given us the absurd over-emphasis on a very small percentage of colleges turning out the "cream" of society, and we've abdicated a lot of our role as citizens to this small cadre. When H first ran for Senate, I was quite put off; she had never spent any real time in NY in her life. But because she "went to the best schools," she was considered qualified to be a NY senator.As a 7th or 8th-generation upstater, I just can't see how H can, on anything but a theoretical basis, really understand the concerns of the average guy on a small farm in the Adirondacks or in a one-factory town.But she's more symptom than cause.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Coachike:You're right on! We put far too much emphasis on what the speaker says, (substance) versus how he or she said it(delivery). I remeber how we were all moved to tears when he said "I did not have sex with that woman". The fact that he pointed directly at the camera when he said it just made the point! We now have a chance to elect his wife. Until this election season, I thought she sounded a lot like Adolph Hitler. Now, taking questions, she comes across with that cackle. I expect her to finish every answer with "And your little doggie too".Seriously, I would have a problem questioning the President's IQ. He has a Bachelor's Degree from Yale, and an MBA from Harvard. You can't find those in Crackerjack boxes. I often wonder if I could have accomplished that much in those schools. Fact is, my high school GPA would have barred me from ever being accepted at either of them.I don't think that most of us realize what we've been through this past generation. We spent the last part of the Seventies, hell bent on destroying the CIA. It was a "rogue organization" that was no longer necessary and many of our politicians wanted it gone. In the late Nineties, we were throwing rockets at vacant apirin factories and wondering exactly what kind of weapons our enemies had. In short, its been a tough time for anyone to govern. As I said earlier, we are making progress in the War on Terror. We have a 4 per cent unemployment rate. Our inflation rate is 4 per cent. If those reasons aren't enough to make you bend your knee and be a bit thankful, you probably need some help.YooperJack

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I think I'll retire... Mock 1 has it covered.

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from Mock1 wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

RMHHow do you think all those "rich dudes" got rich? Are you saying they aren't hard working? Do you think you should be rich if you are a hard working 9-5 mon-fri? Most hard working guys, and girls I know, have jobs, it's because they have a rep for being "hard working" Maybe you want to vote for Clinton because she can do a better job? I remember when we got a big democrat congress and how they were going to "make things right" They have, what, the lowest 23% rating in the history of congress? Yeah, I'm sure that's GW's fault too, because he has a whopping 25% approval rating. Great mandate. People have lost faith in their govt. Period. Gee, I wonder why, since one man "the Pres" has so much control over the whole country. I learned in school about this thing called checks and balances. It should be called who gives a shit, pay me, let me stay in a mansion, give me my salary and health care until I die. Yes, you may be right, one man caused all this misery

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

As for the defecite,Bushie Boy gets credit for that.You can blame anyone you please, but it occured under his watch.( prior to 911, his list of questions and answers for the day were beside his plate for him to read) Sure, most rich dudes made lots of $$$ under BUSHIE Boy, but the hard working guy is looking for a a job. Thank god, Bush only has one year to go, and any of the people running can do a better job than he has. Bush is like the NRA, take our $$$$ and spend as you want. Hopefully he will take Wayne back to Crawford with him as his body guard.Or Stable Boy, O' can Bush ride a Horse?He sure knows how to ride the fence.

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from mock1 aka michael wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Sorry, what also is sad is tha I didn't spell Reagan right. So much for my credibility!Mock1

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from mock1 aka michael wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

NRA sheep? Move to Australia. As to GW, many of us supported him, including Congress and Senate when the war started. We thought we were looking at WMD's. How long was GW in office when the Sh!t hit the fan. Could any of you do better? After 9-11, we had the stock market close, huge losses, I sent the wife out immediatley to fuel up the cars, had her pull some cash out of the bank, locked and loaded to protect my family if it came to that. We all looked up in the sky and for many of us, the first time in our lives we didn't see jet contrails in the sky. How, after all that, do the antigun bastards even have the balls to challenge the 2A rights that we have?! People always ask me after I show them a new firearm that I bought, "how many guns do you need?" I tell them back that although I may not need them, I have the RIGHT to have them. The NRA helps keep that right. I firmly believe that my rights to protect myself and my family, greatly outweigh who is going to GIVE me free healthcare, free retirement, free, this, free that. NRA sheep! KMA, that stands for kiss my ass! Mr Joe Anderson, Tell me the next time you are going to march on Wash. give me a months notice so I can take the time off, see, I run a business that supports my family including healthcare and stuff. We all stick together on the 2A and we will do fine. I say, start w/ the basics. For the record, I was more for throwing all those troops going to Afganistan and finding and killing Bin Laden, but we are stuck w/ it now, so let's get it done, pull out when we can and let all those crazy sons-of-bitches kill each other off, so the UN can beat us up again. I jumped into Panama w/ the 82nd Airborne when I had to and got a purple heart for my troubles. I saw through 6 years in the military that these people dont hold life as sacred as we do. It's sad. But I won't let it happen to my family, and that way is to start w/ the basic "RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS". ANY polotition who doesn't make that REAL clear will not get my vote. It's so sad, we are supposed to be self governed. Shit, call 911-I think they are now calling it Dial-A-Prayer. I can't believe we have to pay a congress and senate (who get a pay raise every year, unless they vote against it yuk, yuk) and keep the same salary and health care until the day they die, doesn't do what they are supposed to do. They are supposed to serve us! We serve them. Where is R. Reagon, or someone like him when we need him? Sorry about the rant, I just think that we need to take back our control of the gov't instead of the other way around. Tomorrow is the 2nd to last day of muzzleloader in Ohio, and I'm going. Maybee that will settle me down a bit. Johan, you spelling still stinks! Coop, tell me my TC barrel I just ordered in 25-06 will be accurate. United we stand. Divided, We are doneMock 1 aka michael

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from coachike wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

yooper jack,i take it that you are GWB fan, well i'm not. the man has trouble tying his own shoes let alone coming up with a complete sentence on camera. yet the man has the balls to come up with "no child left behind" bill. what this now means is that kids in school, no matter how big of a dirtbag for lack of a better word they are now have to graduate. so what he is he saying? you can fail and still have a promising career! GWB was a "C" student at best and now that moron is running, i mean ruining the country not to mention our economy. i am certainly not a hillary fan by far, this country will never ever let a woman be president. maybe guliani could be the answer, i don't know, but the nra needs to do something soon, because your boy bush doesnot care one way or the other, he has made enough money over the last 8 years so that his grandkids could pay off this debt!

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from Joe Anderson wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

All you nra sheep need to learn to look at things ojectivelly and they havent held up there end along with all the other so called pr 2nd amendment organazations in gw's fist term they all should have joined foreces and accually got the 2nd amendment reinstated ; thats why we support wichever one we individually chose but that opertunity has come and gone and yet they're still making the same promiseses they where before ; my objective veiwtells me there all in it for the money and not us or acheveing what is always promissed IT'S UP TO US TO WALK ON WASHINGTON AND DEMAND THAT THE 2ND AMENDMET BE REINSTATED AND A AMENMENT BE PASSED THAT CLEARLY STATES NO LAWS OR BILLS OR AMENDMENTS AGAINST THE 2ND AMENDM

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I thought a video of Hillary shooting something was a good idea until this morning when Dave mentioned topless girls shooting machine guns on video... now the whole thing is just ruined for me. What a horrible mental picture.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

ClayNot sure you can quite put Wayne LaPierre into the same league with Teddy Roosevelt.YooperHillary making a rat-a-tat video; yech! Disgusting thought!RMHEveryone is entitled to their opinions, but please get your facts straight.SA

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Mr. Wayne LaPierre reminds me of President Theodore Roosevelt, walk softly and carry a really big stick!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

RMHHopefully you can enlighten me! You refer to the deficit. As I understand it, tax revenues are coming in at record numbers because 1) More people are working and paying taxes, 2) Corporations are making record profits and paying taxes, and 3) Less people are on public assistance. Yet, all of the Democrats running for GWB's job are complaining about this deficit. I know that there is a tremendous shorfall in both Social Security and Medicaid, but that's actually a different issue because they are covered by their own tax and, theoretically, have their own accounts. That should have no bearing on the annual budget.I also suspect that 9/11, the war in Afganistan, the war in Iraq and the funding for a newHomeland Security Department might have had some affect on the deficit. However, if Mrs. BJ Clinton can show us how she would fund both of the wars, HSD and the cost of 9/11 without dipping into the National Treasury, I might even vote for her (if they do video of her shooting something).YooperJack

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

RMH, if Hillary is elected our country will have been run by a total of two families since 1988... give her two terms and that's a lot like 30 years! We might as well be a dictatorship. If you want change, vote for the only person on earth who can give it to us. RON PAUL

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

As for the NRA, tell me what they have done to improve gun ownership. Also, to the guy praising GWB (little one), What happened to the balanced Budget he inhereted in 2001? enough said. Now look at our budget. Your great grandkids will never live to pay his debt. Kinda odd, I did well from 92 thru 2000, then all went to Hell in a handbasket and is still there. Maybe come Jan. 20 2009, if I live that long, someone will save our A--. We all thought Pappa George was a idiot, but turns out he was smart as they come. Do believe little G took after his MOM, run your mouth so no one else can speak. Come on Hillay, be nice to have 2 Clintons running the Country again.Now thats what we call experience of the best order. Little G will invade Turkey if he can after todays killing. How he's survied, we will never understand. But with the Supreme court in his pocket, he was protected well. O well, to see him fly back to Texas for good.

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from Troy S. wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The fact that the article appeared in the Washington Post was enough to give me pause before reading the crux of Mr. Heavy's letter...talk about liberal rags-ugh!I agree with EVERYTHING Petzal wrote...keep the pressure on the libs at whatever cost it takes. If that means we pay LaPierre several hundred thousand dollars a year, then so-damn-be-it. He's worth every penny, then and now!How many lobbyists do you know who keep the same job past 5 years?Answer: (none)LaPierre is a pioneer when it comes to organizational loyalty-Life Member since 2002

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from joel wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

how much would a box of ammo cost?assuming you could even buy it,if it weren't for the NRA.I send em my 25$ every year

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from Lonnie wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

As for an alternative group that stands for the Second Amendment, that is easy. Gun Owners of America. I think we all need to see the fresh gun grab law that your beloved NRA helped to write.If it is used to the extent it was written a lot of veterans will lose their right to possess a weapon. The meer treatment for PTSD is justification to have their gun ownership rights removed. And as for the thought that they can appeal, well if they are willing to foot the bill, they can. The POS Chuck Shumer has refuse to fund the bill from the previous Bill Clinton gun grab.My honest opinion is we need to throw every career politician out of office in the next election. I also think any bill that changes or modifies the intent of the founding fathers of any of the bill of rights in the original constitution should be voted on by the citizens of the country. Not allowed to be hidden in the dark and passed by a subversive group of nanny staters.

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from coachike wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

dear dave,i live in new jersey and it is a pain in the ass as it is to apply for a firearm's purchaser permit, but when you do go to buy your firearm that day , the retailer is REQUIRED to charge an instant background check that day!! they also have the nerve to make you show id for the purchase of ANY ammo for that gun. don't you think the NRA should do something about that? I have been a member now for approx 3 years and it bothers me that as soon as i signed up they were immediately asking for $100 donations to battle/protect our second ammendment rights.

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from Gil Martin wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I am a Life Member of the NRA and support them because they are our best hope of keeping our guns and the Second Amendment.The NRA should be tough as hell when dealing with anti-gun politicans and anti-gun special interest groups. The anti-gunner's idea of "reasonable gun controls" is simply this; they will take half our guns now and the other half later. That is no choice at all and certainly no basis for being reasonable.All the best...Gil

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Hey Ralph ,... yahoooo ,.. not even a new year and here we go again,.. YUK YUKBut again you got me wrong .Not enough time now will be back atcha ,.Just got some good news which Im gonna take as an excuse to polish off a boston lager or twoTommy,.. I like it,..you da man.Mountain Hunter all these here fellas ar good guys and such ,.. they just been brain washed out of thinkin,...gis maybe by the Col. and a few lutenant Chickens,..Oh and by the way the capitalist pig was so impressed with the 870's in bith 12 & 20 ,. decided ,.. the hell with itDont need no burdy ,..barker's scatter guns ,. called a guy who still things it matters,..Got a goodprice ,.. not crazy price but ,.. he's hapy and a I made a little,.. were both happyHappy New year

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Folks, we have no choice but to support the NRA. We must hold our leaders accountable, but "teaching them a lesson" by withholding funds will only work to our own detriment. I'm not suggesting carte blanche, and I'm not saying they're always right--but they are the only bulwark we've got that is capable of stemming the tide. The NRA is our "seawall," if you will, against the "waves" of anti-gun hysteria and political attacks we suffer from time to time. Remove it, and we get inundated with ridiculous laws and regulations. Also, I would caution that we do not divide ourselves based on such political considerations as universal health care or immigration reform. Don't say another gun owner is wrong because he or she is for or against universal health care, or is for or against "amnesty" for illegal aliens. We also don't want ANY political party to think it has a "lock" on our vote, lest it take us for granted. Remember when Bush said he'd sign a new "assault weapons ban" if Congress passed it? Does that sound like he was "dancing with the one who brought him?" If any political party thinks it has our votes automatically, we won't get our due consideration and respect from any of them. So far, no party has launched an outright attack upon us this campaign season--and that shows the power that we wield, the power that we have made them respect. We must make sure that we don't give our votes to anyone based upon lip service, but only upon demonstrated commitment to the preservation of our rights. If they want our votes, they've got to earn them!

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from GMiller wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I'm an Endowment member of NRA and have been a life member since 1972. The 2nd Amendment is NOT about hunting and habitat even though there is an indirect link (unless you're a bow hunter). The right of self defense from bad people and bad governments is a basic HUMAN right. If the means of defense is taken away then the right is effectively taken away (look at the British). NRA is far from perfect but who else really does what they do? They also support and advocate many kinds of shooting sports of which I'm a participant. To those who whine about getting mail asking for funds, you do have a trash can don't you? Whenever you get a solicitation that somehow grabs you, send the folks some $$$. That's just the way it works. If anyone on this blog wants to lessen the need for an NRA, vote wisely when you are given the opportunity every two years.

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from J oe anderson wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I'M ALLFOR THE BRADY BUNCH BEING ON ANT ACID ;bUT i JOINED BACK IN THE 1ST TERM OF CLINTON AND NO REAL ABOLISHMENT OF ANY UNCONSTITUTIONALLAWS HAS HAPPENED ESPECIALY DURING BUSHES 1ST TERM WHEN EVERYTHING WAS CONTROLLED BY SO CALLED R'S THERE IS NO EXCUSE THAT ; THEN THE NRA AND ALL OTHER PRO 2ND AMENDMENT GROUPS DIDNT GO TO WASHINGTON AND DEMAND THAT ALL UNCONTITUTIONAL LAWS WIPED OFF THE BOOKS AND A AMENDMENT BE PASSED THAT CLEARLY STATES THAT NO LAW OR AMENDMENT CAN BE PASSED THAT INFRINGES ON THE 2ND AMENDMENT CAN BE PASSED PERIOD AND THATS WHY I HAVE LEFT THE NRA AND WILL NEVER BE A MEMBER AGAIN there is no excuse for not acheveing this none

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from J oe anderson wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I'M ALLFOR THE BRADY BUNCH BEING ON ANT ACID ;bUT i JOINED BACK IN THE 1ST TERM OF CLINTON AND NO REAL ABOLISHMENT OF ANY UNCONSTITUTIONALLAWS HAS HAPPENED ESPECIALY DURING BUSHES 1ST TERM WHEN EVERYTHING WASCONTROLLED BY SOCALLED R'S THERE IS NO EXCUSE THAT ; THEN THE NRA AND ALL OTHER PRO 2ND AMENDMENT GROUPS DIDNT GO TO WASHINGTON AND DEMAND THAT ALL UNCONTITUTIONAL LAWS WIPED OFF THE BOOKS AND A AMENDMENT BE PASSED THAT CLEARLY STATES THAT NO LAW OR AMENDMENT CAN BE PASSED THAT INFRINGES ON THE 2ND AMENDMENT CAN BE PASSED PERIOD AND THATS WHY i HAVE LEFT THE NRA AND WILL NEVER BE A MEMBER AGAIN there is no excuse for not acheveing tis none

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

SAYou're about as committed as I am!I did send a small amount to McCain.I don't agree with everything he does and says, but He's a war hero and I belierve him to be honest. What did Paul say RE Lincoln?YooperJack

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Oops, didn't proofread my last. Meant to say GWB may not be the cat's meow....Can't believe anyone would want to see Klintonista IIMcCain is going to be up by me on Saturday, might try to go see him. Ron Paul pretty much blew it with the Lincoln comments. Coming down to the wire here, Huckabee or McCain in my book. Not exactly on my same ideals but lots closer than Chamelion Romney or Rudy's big government crap.Random thoughtsSA

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Amen Yooper. Yohan, socialists take from you for the common good. Free men such as ourselves give for the common good. That's your flaw in us banding together to fight the gun grabbers, no one is forcing us to do it. This of course you may not understand as you have stated before you are on another plane...Aeroflot? Those 870's are $199 here and have been for a while. Hell six years ago they were $219. Must be that runaway inflation.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

YooperNice post! Couldn't have said it better myself. WB may not be the cat's meow but he is a HELL of a lot better than the alternatives!SA

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from Tommy wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Gutless twerps in Congress....I know its the holidays, but quit being so nice.

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

RalphWhy thank you sirComing from youMeaning a gent with tunnel vision on both politics and economics.I consider it a minor victory that you would ignite the mental fire wood of logic,..to the extent that you wouldconsider in any way an eco/political view that didnt have G.O.P as a leter head.Also ,. Ralph ,. wouldnt go as far as me congratulating you YUK YUK ,.More like me pointing out the flaw in your argument,or maybe you entire political philosophy.See thats where you an I differ ,. I need /must see things for what they are and deal with it,. just as that.I can not look at things and template a "used to be this way" mind set and hope for some reason it turns out to be that way .I cannot hope Im right basesd on what other people in the past have postulated,.. given constantly changing conditions.Kinda like the MD's of the world deniging veracity of holistic medicine or the chiropractic community ,.. its crazy.Call me what you want ,.. but truly I am neither a Capitalist Pig or a Socialist,..Well maybe just a little bit of a capitalist ,.. but those who know me would take issue with the pig part.I am an American who had to claw his way to to socio- economic mediocrity,. cause there was no real help or direction.After which I decided being broke sucked big time.From there decided that if both my brains guile were employedI could possibly doge the slings and arrows of those,.. who seeing me coming would try to stop me.From what you ask? Fromsimply attaining a position where from it was possible to compete on equal footing.I learned a lot doing thatThe biggest lesson is what I said earlier.In buisnes if you dont learn to recognize it sooner or later, you will be devoured by some who does.Which is the following.If you get a chicken,.. or multiple chickens,.. convinced that it is a great and glorios thing to vote for Col.Sanders.You are a long way to convincing them to get other chickens to vote for the colBased on what the Col used to promise ,.Its insane.Mountain Hunter has it doped pretty good.Check all economic idicators durring Clinton time in office.V/s now,,.. have your accountant tell you how much you need to be making ( income) before you should consider voting for COL Sanders,..Its over 200 K boys ,..That said last two days ,. had more fun than 40 puppies in a rabbit patch ,..Chaseing squirrels, rabbits and even a couple slow flyin grouse.Think they mebe got holt of some discarded corn squeezensAll with 870 20 ga ..I picked up not long ago on a whim,..Yup my new favorite toy870 20 ga ,.. Like it bettr than one of them thar Barkers or burdys.Even,.. Theodores school marm Mrs tackets husbandsElsies mith ?Happy new year !!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

RMHDo you remeber a film called "The Path To 9/11? Seems that the Clintons were pretty negligent. Apparently, you want that type of thinking to return. Do you remember a convicted felon named Sandy Berger (AKA Burglar)? Do you want that crook running our secret operations? You also seem to have forgotten that before our troops went to Afganistan, all of the news media talked about the massive defeat, incurred by the Soviet Union, in that country, the estimated 30,000 KIA's, and that it would also happen to us. You also don't remember that, prior to the Iraq invasion, the news was taliking about needing "whole ships loaded with just body bags for the expected American casualties" Seems that those wars came off a bit different. Maybe GWB was just lucky. I honestly don't know.You also conveniently forgot that the stock market plummeted long before GWB took office. As I recall, the NASDAQ tanked somewhere in the Spring of 1999 and the NYSE in 2000. In that election, one candidate (GWB)talked repeatedly about this upcomming event. After the election, he doggedly went after tax cuts to cure that problem. Experts have said that, if he hadn't implemented economic change in this country, the world finacial markets would have gone into a tailspin post 9/11 and there could have been another depression. Those tend to lead to wars.We can return to the days where polls are taken dailly, and all decisions made in the Oval Office are based on those polls. Maybe, if we're good, they'll let us keep our guns!YooprJack

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from Bill wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I know the NRA is not perfect but they are out best hope for the future of our gun rights. I just recently made my 7 month old grandson a Life Member. That's my feelings about this. Thanks...Bill.

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from chuckb wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Dave: I paid for a Life Membership in the NRA in 1962 when I was a Marine 1st Lieutenant. Couldn't afford it then, but, in 45 years' hindsight, it was the best investment I ever made.I don't always agree with the current line, but the NRA has done more to breathe life into the 2d Amendment than anybody. Find fault with it, argue, criticize, do anything you want, but SUPPORT IT with your membership dollars.Anybody who decides to withhold financial support from the NRA in order to "send a message," whateven that message may be, is playing Russian roulette with his rights. That's the same kind of person who doesn't vote, to "send a message" to politicians--pretty dumb, most would agree.Life membership can now be yours for $25 every 3 months. Any hunter or non-hunting gun owner who doesn't belong to the NRA is nuts.Listen to our Canadian commenter, above!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Merry XMAS you all from Dallas Texas! If the Democrats sweep both the house, Senate and the presidency, you can bet that they will sneak something thru on a wekend when nobody is looking and not to count giving control of our armed forces over to the UN!

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from Dr. Russ Williams wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

David! Thank you for cutting through to what is -- for me and for those with whom I work in defense of Second Amendment guarantees -- the nub of the question: Shall vague appeals to "nice" words stand in place of constitutional definitions? We say "No," for we well comprehend the slippery language of certain men and women who would confound the public mind instead of working to inform it, prepare it for public participation...in the marketplace and it the political life of the nation. Well done, David!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND MAY THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND GIVING LAST THROUGHOUT THE YEAR!!!!!Clay you and I got off on the wrong foot but after bloodying each others noses I consider you my best friend here. Your knowledge and expertise on the capabilities of specific arms in the right hands is unsurpassed.RMH you will always vote as did your father and I mine. At least practical experience has led us both to the Holy Grail of firearms: Remington 700 30-06. None finer as we both know.Yohan you are a worthy opponent, and I was almost saddened by your congratulations on my last post. You're still a capitalist pig dressed in socialist garb but you certainly make my life interesting and more importantly make me think...Strehlow you may be the most intellectual man on this blog. You seem to be able to make sense of all the sturm und drang going on and present it in a nice neat concise package without offending anyone.Yooper I feel like I'm related to you. All my relatives on my father's side live in the Great Lake State on a 500 acre farm and every one of your posts could have come from one of them.Black Rifle Addict I am about to join your ranks. Have already talked the wife into an R-15 in .223 so the battle is won. Before you go off this gun is Bushmaster parts assembled by Remington and accepts their 30 round mags. My children are happier about it than I and I intend to make this weapon wear many hats... defender of our freedoms, toy for the range, and yes it will be hunted with.Sarge, I probably live less than an hour from you so when those Muskellunge start biting I want an invite. Are you in the Mammoth Cave area or farther west?Shaky, WA. mountainhunter, Ishawooa, Blue Ox, Alamo, semp, Chev Jim, Ralph the Rifleman, alabamahunter, GREG, Gman, Ricardo, WES, Silver Arrow, Zermoid, Bubba, Chad Love and even Tommy have all given me much to think about and as different as we all are, we are the same... GUN NUTSThank you for your brilliance and for giving us a place to gather even though to you it is work... we love you David Petzal. Merry Christmas!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Lets all hope/pray that of the bunch running for Prs in 08 is teh 2 Clintons. Believe if you willcheck the DOW while Clinton in office, most who invested in Stocks, housing, realstate di ok, atmleast I did. Then along comes smart know it all BUSHIES and his advisiors and down teh tube it goes. Most will nevr come back. A for gun Control, NRA try to do as the relegious right in 2004, that is to scare the people to their way of thinking. Bush scared the ilder voters that H (BUSh) only guy wirh renough marbles to keep the fighting over seas, Best I recall it was Bush who startd this mess, Graned we needed to atach, but we atackd wrong Muslims.Also, we invaded Bagdad with no exit plan and yet don;t have one.As for Hillary and her healh plan in 2001, bet most older folks had listened to her. Now look what we over 65's got, mostly nothing, but making the Insurance Co;s richerAARp and Bush fooled us aain, and NRA trying same game. It will not work this time. People finally got smart. As for teh GOP, if that silly x Mayor of BY gets to be pres. Hell will ffreeze for sure.

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from Del in Kansas wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Well I'll be dipped in sh_t and rolled in crackercumbs. There are two kinds of gun owners. Some of us support the NRA with dues and donations. Some enjoy the benefits without paying anything for them. Which one are you? You can still get LIFE membership for the price of one good rifle. You can even pay a few bucks a month until its paid off. You can get Annusl membership for the price of a few packs of smokes. So don't give me that crap about you can't afford to be a member. I signed up for Life membership when the Clintons got elected the first time. It was money well spent. If you can't send a few bucks everytime they ask, throw the solicitation in the trash.'nuff said.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Scuseme: That should readMERRY CHRISTMAS!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Merry Chrismas Everyone!I hope your stockings are filled with gunbooks, shooting nicknacks, maybe a new scope and whatever can be transported in a sleigh.YooperJack

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

YooperYou appear from the sound of it a man of introspection and intellegenceWho is also tired of the rethoric and wants something other than lip service,..Assuminmg you vote ( many don't)which in a free country simply causes me the boiling hives,..Can only offer this,. Voteif nothing else ,. VOTE ,.Have seen it all my life ,.peopel think my vote won't count ,.can't recall the statistics ,.but if those that did not vote did vote.We wouldnt be in this situation in the 1st place.What can you do aside from voting ?Get someone else to vote,.. we have all had enough of theis crap ,.. ANDThe single round, we have to fire other than activisim is our vote .Now to the pursuit of bunny wabbits.Really,.. am going rabbit hunting now.Happy Holdays,..Oh,.. who you vote for is your own business,..But a guy lie you,.. who has I'm certian,.. essentially had enogh will vote for the right candidate.

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from bullmoose of Ky wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I used to agree with Heavey, thinking compromise was "reasonable" and get tired of the constant call for $$$$$, but I have tired of such because there is no such thing when it comes to our opponents.From the land of Henry Clay there will be no further weakness on my part,fight fire with fire, and it takes $$$.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Well this blog was one of the best ever! We've managed to slur Jews, Mormons and I believe Baptists in the same thread. It proves my point that if you can go far enough to find differences in people you will eventually divide them no matter how small those original discrepancies were. How could the Founding Fathers know this 220 years ago and few of us today realize this.There is one,and only one, candidate running ads in Michigan. His ads stress that this state is in a recession while the rest of this nation appears to be doing OK. He hasn't told me anything that I or any other resident doesn't know, but where are the rest of the candidates? This one happens to be a Mormon. Maybe He'll outline a plan for economic recovery for this region. Should I vote against him because of his religon?YooperJack

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

"Is that a cross floating across the background over Mike Huckabee’s right shoulder in his Christmas-themed Iowa campaign commercial? The Huckabee campaign says no, it’s just the reflection from a window. Ron Paul, on the other hand, quotes Sinclair Lewis that “when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross.”"--Courtesy Wittenberg Door

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Dave in St Pete,.Yup it was da Yohan ,..My appologies,..I miss interpreted your post ,..And your right on another count ,.. fire arms do be, the sunject matter here, along with other related jewels of info.Still we both ( all ) know very well, that sometimes politics and reeeeligeon gonna bleed in too it.I will must or abandone my role as a man, defend in a very vigerous way against any one trying to harm me or mine.Dont care if they are white ,.. black or, brown,. christain or Muslim.Since I dont have acess to atomic bomb war heads the defence if it comes,.. will likley be with a gun.And here is another one...I have been watching lately ,.and I have not heard on the news That Father Taylor ,.. the Right Reverend Johnson or Rabbi Ruskin ,..inted to kill me and every one of my living relatives.Not like were talkin about panty hose,..power tools and or the orgin, molecular make up,..or correct use and application of wd40. YUK YUKMy problem is the the flag draped coffins I see on news ..The waste,and "the mutts" that went at it they way they did.Which means now,.. you me and every other individule and all the relatives, AND thir children are left with the bill. Finatially ,..emotionally ,.moraly ,. every flipping way you can think of.Yes sir ,.its gonna be up to those who went and those who hope they get back to pick uo the check.Words will simply not convey how monumentally that Pi$$es me off.Plus I spent the day yesterday watchin a white out ( it was snowing sideways) covering the ice that came the night before.I am on vacation supposedly but weather kept me inside,. other than to schlep more wood fo da fire place.Meby ta day get a after a couple bunnysHappy Holidays

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from Gman wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Actually, Yooper,You more or less make my point...because of the various sects represented by the various colonies, they were sure to exclude any established religion. And let's not forget that Jefferson completely discounted the accounts of divinity of Jesus to the extent he wrote his own version of the Bible.But the guy up above said we were founded under God as a religious state, which is flat out wrong; we were founded to allow any and all to worship the God of their choice, or not, without official coercion. Easier said than done, and open to as much interpretation as 2A.And, as one who has Catholic, Methodist, and Jewish ancestors,I have heard stories from them about the "bad old days" when you were up a creek unless you were mainstream Protestant.

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from Black Rifle Addict wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Hey boys;Our good old USA may have faults but it's still the best da*n place to live on this Earth!United we stand, lets focus on that and pay our NRA dues!Merry Christmas to all, too!

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from GREG wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Wow man you are passionate, Aint trying to pick a fight. Dude you are gettin a little carried away? If it goes as far as what you are talkin about I will be your brother in arms! Maybe Im naive but I think we have a ways to go before it comes to that. I hope!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Whoever is elected Pres in 2008 will not have time to bother us gun ownes. He/She will be too busy cleaning up Bushie Boy's mess they will forget NRA and my 30-06. But NRA is playing on our stupidity, scare us gun owners into sending them more $$$$. No thanks, they did the same thing as AARP did to us, sold us out.If you really interested in protecting your rights, get Carry Permit and help the local law enforcement with their search for crooks. Most Cities/Counties so strapped for operating funds, that the few officers they do have are streachd so thin, they cannot keep LAW and Order. We got rid of Heston, now lete get rid of Wayne. We;ve kept him living in high class long enough, nesarly l billion a year????? now that is stupid spending.CAll your local law enforcement, ask how you can help protect our gun ownership and his hard work. May be suprised at what he tells you, it did me. i got that Cary Permit, now my 38 Kel-tec goes with me everwhere or my 44-40 depending what part of town i;m needed. If push comes to shove. Bury your guns. Plastic pipes with venelation works great. Better yet, built a fire proff safe between the floor joist, cover the area with carpet or scatter rugs Any vehice I drive has l or more handguns inside near me. plus the Kel-tec in my pocket. One of my/maybe stolen guns, worth more than a quality Cannon Safe fastened to thr floor proper . Another safe place is the under the matt in you vehicle trunk< > Remind me again, who trained the l7 or so Muslims who few thoe planes into the tall bildings, Bush or Chaney? maybe both. O for the day they history. Better get serious on the Nov. 2008 ballot . Could be electing a Muslim for Pres.Heaven forbid worse yet, a Morman.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Gman:I beg to differ. Religon was a basis for the foundation of the British Colonies here more than 200 years prior to the Declaration of Independence. Catholics lived in Maryland, Quakers in Pennsylvania, etc. When the Founding Fathers began the rebellion, there was no thought of an independent nation, only fair treatment from the mother country. As the rebellion evolved into revolution, they began to think about forming a nation totally free from state religons. They knew that a confederation of states, all with their own religon could never last. Hence, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.YooperJack

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Cooper, what in the Hell you talking about, doubt you even know that bunch of Hog-wash.

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from Gman wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Bubba Joe, The US was not founded under God as a religious state. That would be Eye-ran or Afghanistan under the Taliban. The US was founded by men who were steeped in the Enlightenment.You sound very sad the US of A is what it is today. You should have some more wine. Helps me when I think about how GWB got where he is.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

And if that was you Yohan,You took what I thought was a humorous poke at 'conservative' and I took what I thought was a fairly humorous poke back.Sorry if I misread your sense of humor (or lack thereof).

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

To whom ever posted this"Dave in St Pete,..And if I recall in previous posts you were one of the glazed eyed right supporting the Bush Rumsfeld genious pool,.."I do believe you are quite incorrect. I post here about firearms.Have a nice day! :)

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from GREG wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

To posted by: Politicians shouldnt run wars. Warriors should run wars. If this were so alot of our sons wouldnt be coming home in body bags. I also believe there are things that happen in wars that the general public doesnt need to know. Rough up ten fanatics to save one soldiers life ,I have no problem. These people will and have killed our children. they want to go to Allah, send them!!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Dave in St Pete,..And if I recall in previous posts you were one of the glazed eyed right supporting the Bush Rumsfeld genious pool,..IE: Lets saddle up and go kick some Iraqi a$$ boys.With UNDER WHELMING forces,.. INSUFICIANT supplies and LACK of ordinace.Touch off a civil war while standing on a Carrier deck proclaming mission accomplished.Manwhile back at he ranch reports come all day every day our people getting there a$$es kicked because the polititians were in charge of a war.Yall seem to me be riden one horse one day and a differnt one the next,..YUP truth is Mr Dave it dont seem you know the differece neither anyhow..But Jeee whiz mebe that thar is wut Buba Joe means by that err aahh,.. in cree mental sorta stuffBut hell Merry christmass anywayIncramentalism is just tag word for appathy by some ( esspecially thse who dont as muih as vote) and a sense of intitlelment by others ,. latley the right.Who are sucking the populose dryby convincing the Chickens its a real wounderful idea to vote for Colonel Sanders.Doin a pretty good job too from what Im hearin YUK YUK

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I just read in another magazine about the new Model 70 Winchester. The gunwriter actually went elk hunting with a Model 70 he didn't sight in! His first two shots missed the elk, and a third one broke the animal's front leg. Then he closed on the crippled elk and shot it once or twice more. It seems the rifle was sighted in by the Winchester people at 100 yards, but the elk was at 200. Is this sloppy and cruel, or what? What a great debut for the new Model 70--some guy who didn't even sight in the rifle inflicts needless pain and suffering on a magnificent animal! Whoever set up this hunt for Winchester needs his or her tail kicked. And while the gun writer was honest, he surely had no business hunting with a rifle he didn't sight in. Betcha Dave P. wouldn't do something like that! I've really come to like that guy!

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from Bubba joe wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

There is a fundamental disconnect between politics at the national level and people who support Ron Paul, or people who profess to be conservative and say that they won't vote for the GOP candidate who is not perfect.It's called incrementalism, and I really wish people would take the time to find out what the word means. Do you think we reached this level of taxation overnight? Do you think we reached the point overnight, where a valid national candidate for President can seriously discuss things like nationalized health care? Do you think we allowed our local, state and federal governments to completely discount the second amendment overnight? Do you think we allowed our local, state, and federal governments to become amoral and completely ignore the fact that this nation was founded under God, as a religious state?No.All of the problems with our country have been instituted incrementally, over a long period of time. All the things that you think should occur to fix what you think is wrong with this country will not happen overnight any more than the problems we face happened overnight. And any fanciful ideas you might have about fomenting a step change in America by leveraging the Clintons into power again are just that- fanciful nonsense. It ain't going to happen.incrementalism in·cre·men·tal·ism n. Social or political gradualism.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Posted by Yohan "I find it intetrstng ( and heartening) the concervative or thos claiming to be,. will use the collectivist methoed when faced with a powerful opponent."All I can say is the Sheriff didn't ride out after the bad guys alone, he took a posse. :)That's not collectivism that's "victory through superior fire power". ;)

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from PB wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I agree with the NRA's no-compromise stance. You don't see newspapers compromising with the gov't on their freedom of the press, do ya? I don't even like the way gun owners have to pay for their right (...even though it's a right we're born with...) through permits, licenses, etc. (That's way too much compromise already!) At least the NRA is trying to help us gun owners more than the dang politicians are. I know some people that have quit supporting the NRA just because they got sick of receiving dunning letters every few weeks for another dollar (or twenty...) If the NRA would just realize that and lay off the solicitation letters, for members, by limiting them to 1 or 2 per year they'd end up with more support in the long run.

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Well Ralph your post of today10 AM is finally something I can not disagrre with you on,..Your damn right money is power ,.. as much as I and evry one here wish is wasnt.But collective power ( which is a socialistic function most times associatd with liberals) is the real power of the people. IE :alone we can't get it done,. But if we are a coheasive group large enough who will let go of minor amounts of money en mass we are as you know, and have stated one butt kicking group.Similar toRealors,.largest lobby there is.Contrary to poular beliefe they are not all well to do ,.. truth be know most are a second (trailing) income. But they learnd that through numbers there is strength and protection.Funny tho,.. as I am really what would be called a libertairian but taged as a Dem.I find it intetrstng ( and heartening) the concervative or thos claiming to be,. will use the collectivist methoed when faced with a powerful opponent.Like the anti gun people.Vey good Ralph ,.actually should say oustanding ,.. you have in a very good mannor made one of my ongoing points.I also think the paries are blurring badly now and, that as sound minded people.We should be looking at whatis best not only for hunters and gun owners.But the country as a whole. Rather than continue to force a party or partisan view,..Which is similar to pinching the foot to fit the shoe rather than getting a shoe to fit the foot.Its all changin fella's and if we done see it acknowledge it and react,. we will be shaff in the wind.

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from semp wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Is der a Ma Duece on da roof of those Beeemrs? No ... maybe Maybe Feldman was choppering over DNC Hq? :D

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Right on Rev. DR RALPH!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Maybe not everyone agrees with everything the National Rifle Association does. Certainly the CEO's CFO's COO's and all those who make large six and seven figure salaries are scorned by the common man. This is a truism in every business or walk of life but these people are a necessary evil. They portray power... lest any of us forget, money is ultimate power until all hell breaks loose and the guns really do come out of the cabinet. No one wants that and so we must play the game and send in our donations and hope that we have the right men in charge of our organization with our best interests at heart. I have no quarrel with Wayne LaPierre the CEO. He has done a good job of walking the thin line of acceptability within established political guidelines and yet voicing the opinions of a bunch of ranting and raving gun nuts... I especially liked it when he called out Clinton for basically being soft on crime and allowing too many murders so he could get tough on guns. That and calling the Feds "jackbooted thugs" during Ruby Ridge which caused Bush to quit the NRA. It is a fine line indeed.Another point I want to make is the most important thing you can do is send in those preprinted postcards to your Senators and Congressmen. You know, the ones that come in your American Rifleman, American Hunter and America's First Freedom magazines? Power in numbers folks, and when the mailman drops a bushel basket of identical postcards on a politicians desk calling for him to vote a certain way it carries a lot of weight. Makes them realize there is life outside of the beltway.

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from Bubba joe wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

First of all, to Bubba Joe, it wasn't an AR-15 that the president held up, it was a custom built flintlock. Second I have been a member of the NRA since 1990 and I Firmly believe in his quote "from my cold dead hands". If only every gun owner in the USA was an NRA member maybe the antis wouldn't try so hard. Long live the NRA.SUCK ME OFF YOU OLD QUEEN!

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from Gman wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Them UN black helicopters ain't no myth. I see 'em bein' built and tested.Anytime y'all get curious about 'em, just drive down Connecticut Highway 110 from Shelton to Stratford and park in the ice rink parking lot. You ain't gotta wait more 'n' about 5 minutes and one of them big black suckers takes right off from the Sikorsky plant next door.Sikorsky; that's a Russian name. I don't think I gotta say much more 'n' that.Y'all still a bunch of scaredy cats.

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from retired waycar rider wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I've been a life member of the NRA for over 40 yrs, while I don't send money every time they want it, I still support them a couple of times a yr. I joined the NRA for the same reason I volunteered for the military, because I could, remember we live in a country where being a volunteer is still a right, not an order.

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from Gary wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Anyone who believes that the NRA is immune to corruption please point out any other organization of a similar size that has not become corrupt.To me the NRA and television evangelists are of the same ilk, they both survive by spouting hyperbole and then politely asking for a sizeable monetary donation to keep up the good fight.I witnessed this first hand a few years back. I was dating a girl who came from a family of modest means, and everytime the NRA would send out one of their--the agents in black suits letters--they would scrape up every penny they could and send it off to them. Now a couple of dollars is one thing, but they were sending sizeable sums of money that they could ill afford to send.

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from Jason wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I would join for life if I had the money. I wouldn't care if they did something extremely stupid as long as they keep doing their job. We have to stick together because the enemy is sticking together and they have a lot more money and power (worldwide) than we do.

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from Ricardo Rodríguez wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Good for you and your NRA. Keep up with the good work and hope you never have to go thru the pains we have to here in Mexico to excercise our gun rights.The only thing I don´t buy is the direct relationship between the left and gun control. I know some true marxist-leninists who are as gun nuts as they come, and some hard core far righters who could not care less about gun rights.I wish you all have a Merry Christmass and Happy New Year and good hunting/shooting.

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from jbumbaugh wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

First of all, to Bubba Joe, it wasn't an AR-15 that the president held up, it was a custom built flintlock. Second I have been a member of the NRA since 1990 and I Firmly believe in his quote "from my cold dead hands". If only every gun owner in the USA was an NRA member maybe the antis wouldn't try so hard. Long live the NRA.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I do like the Governor of New Mexico. Of what little I do know, he is the only one on the Democratic ticket I would vote for on that side and not all Democrats are bad. Their just misguided!Lets elect Neal Boortz for President!Posted by: Clay Cooper | December 22, 2007 at 11:54 PM

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

WARNING! If you are intellectually challenged, do not read the following. Food for thought follows for the intellectuals that can read and understand the following to come to their own thought and conclusion to realize what today’s Judas Goat is really is and how it affects others.I set back and see how the left can use those including minorities and to lead their own people beholding to some ideology that will lead to economic suppression and/or eradication. The UN in itself is using countries and individuals as Judas Goats. Follow them; follow them because they say it’s ok because they know they say and they say they know it’s best for you! But what they do know is at the end of the day, they will be safe and sound, well cared of and you may have died following this Judas Goat!Think about it and how people of yesterday and today are being exploited for someone’s own personal gain.I see the Judas Goat as The Democratic party!Judas goatFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaA Judas goat is a trained goat used at a slaughterhouse and in general animal herding. The Judas goat is trained to associate with sheep or cattle, leading them to a specific destination. In stockyards, a Judas goat will lead sheep to slaughter, while its own life is spared. Judas goats are also used to lead other animals to specific pens and on to trucks. The term is a reference to the biblical traitor Judas Iscariot.The phrase has also been used to describe a goat that is used to find feral goats that are targeted for eradication. The Judas goat is outfitted with a transmitter, painted in red and then released. The goat then finds the remaining herds of feral goats, allowing hunters to exterminate them.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The NRA only wants your Money for the wheels who run NRA. You best take care of your own firearms and for- get NRA.Save that 35.00 and give to a worthy cause.

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from Zermoid wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

In my opinion the NRA to also guilty of selling us out, they should work for a flat out repeal of all "Gun Control" laws as unconstitutional, what part of "Shall Not Be Infringed" do they not understand? Not being allowed to freely buy and sell your guns is an infringement, having to have a permit to carry them is an infringement, not being allowed to own guns over 50 cal is an infringement, not being able to buy grenades, RPG's and Artillery if you so desire is an infringement, after all it also says "Arms" not small bore rifles and handguns.That said I do support the NRA with yearly dues, not because I agree with their views but because they are the best we've got to stand up for us, I don't believe they go far enough but something is better than nothing, sad as that is.

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from frankintank wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I've been an NRA lifer since 1988. I was an angry young Californian back then & wanted to be aligned with those not easily cowed by media maudlinism. At that time, California was unquestionably ground-zero for the gun ban movement. Back then, I would NEVER have dreamed that a tidal wave of pro-CCW laws, initiated by the NRA, would sweep the nation in a bold first step toward reclaiming the right of self defense. There were many times when I thought that maybe we were too strident or idealogically rigid. Even now, I wonder sometimes if we don't overplay it just a bit. That's why I pay NRA to fight for my rights. They don't have the same doubts and it comes through loud & clear in how effective they've been. In my ongoing quest to be more of a glass-half-full kind of guy, I would say simply to the NRA bashers in our own ranks: "yeah, they sure ain't perfect; with whom do you propose we replace them"?

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Well I've been looking and looking and have finally found one... www.xdpistols.com has the Remington R-15 for $951-. The R-15 is now on Big Green's web site and the price there is $999-. Plus a whole lot of other blogs are talking about this gun and many people are claiming that it actually is Bushmaster manufactured parts assembled by Remington since Cerebus now owns both companies...and so reliability and accuracy will not be a problem. Plus the Rem site says any AR15 magazine will work in this gun so you will not be limited to the universally legal 5 rounder. Dr. Ralph may have himself a very merry CHRISTmas indeed. Ain't it good to be alive and living in Tennessee!

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I belong to the NRA, on a yearly basis. Every 2 or 3 years I used to let my membership lapse for awhile but I always came back. A few years ago I discovered GOA, absolutely the only true, hard line, gun organization going today. I became a life member. This latest anti-gun law passed by Washington and backed by the NRA has me spitting mad. Time will tell if veterans with PTSD will really be affected or not, but I wouldn't be a bit suprised if we aren't banned by batf. I am going to try and buy one after 1st of the year so I will keep all informed.

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from Bart Daddy wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Be warned........ your going to get mad reading the proposed law.This law was proposed by Commissioner William Beavers ex- Chicago alderman, ex- CPD cop and Larry Suffredin ex- lawyer. Its a carbon copy of the Chicago ban with extra's thrown in.http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=278437

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from Mike Reeder wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Ditto to everything David P. said.Compromising with gun control advocates is like compromising with a man-eating lion by agreeing that he will only devour you one limb at a time. Eventually he's full and your gone. I believe it's instructive that Feldman's guest editorial ran in the Washington Post. When I was at the RNC I used to say that any Republican who worried about what the Washington Post had to say about him had already outlived his usefulness in office. Certainly, the same thing applies to any former gun rights representative who suddenly finds the editorial pages of the Post a cozy place to display his opinions.

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from Scott wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Ahh. The sweet smell of toasting bread, the bacon frying in the skillet, the coffee. Morning guys. Merry Christmas and a blessed new year to all. I believe simple is better and I thank all of the powers that be that have allowed us to even have this conversation. I also believe that NRA is, as some have said, our best defense of liberty in America. I could ramble on the virtue of sticking together as a like-minded group but that is not simple. For as the Second Amendment goes, so goes our other liberties. Make no mistake, gentlemen.

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from Chev. Jim wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Dave P. is absolutely right. If we didn't have a "Cerberus" guarding the Second Amendment, we wouldn't have any guns right now. Dave's right--the hatred of guns and gun owners is, indeed, visceral with those people. They see a gun, they see an evil instrument. They see a gunowner, they see a maniac with an evil instrument in his or her hands. No, we cannot compromise with these people, because their ultimate goal is total confiscation, and for anything you give them, e.g., registration, you would get nothing back. There's no "quid pro quo" with these people--it's just give, give, give while they take, take, take. And, yes, you've got to have paid lobbyists--the best lobbyists you can afford, because those "gutless twerps" WILL sell us out if they're not afraid of being voted out of office. You've also got to contribute to the campaigns of the ones who are worth at least a tinker's damn. Yes, the NRA does need to revamp its fundraising--phony surveys insult our intelligence. But I've been a Life Member since 1984, and I can tell you that the money was well spent.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Well done, Dave.If not the NRA, then who will protect law-abiding gun owners' rights?Abraham Lincoln once said, "Never get into a pissing contest with a skunk." I agree, but today you have to have someone who can piss harder and nastier than the skunks in Washington. The NRA still gets my membership money every year.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Good example Gman. We shoulda tore that racist ass#$%^ a new one. We stand by idly and evil will triumph!

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from Gman wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I ain't afeared of no antis. Y'all are rough and tumble fellers, why y'all afeared? I break the law when I hafta, y'all can do the same and stop jabberin' about law-abidin' this and that and how we gotta fight, fight, fight. Who the heck are we, Notre Dame?The fact we had a post on here written by a feller said he didn't b'lieve nothin' written by a Jew in the Washington Post and nobody tore him a new one says a whole heck of a lot here, gentlemen.Happy Hanukkah.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The difference between the antigunners and you is, they don’t blink! He who blinks loses!!! It takes real Americans with the back bone of our forefathers to fight hard core criminal supporting antigunners!!! Several years ago I remember being represented by a lawyer in traffic court against a DOT Diesel Cop that said I was speeding 78mph uphill with a tractor governed at 62mph. I had to over ride my own lawyer for his stupidity for not remembering and the backbone to stand up to a Law Enforcement Officer that was knowingly telling lies!

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from R. Wayne Moorhead wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I agree. Most organization begn with a reasonable purpose. But, soon the "tree huggers, lifers,etc., enter. Their only purpose is to grow & maintain their employment. A few of the most notable are the UN, NRA, Mafia, Red Cross, United Way, etc. I became aware of this when I ran the United Way for the USAF, in conjunction with a local city.The city required participating organizations to submit a financial statement to become a part of the drive.When you see the expenses, you would never give.Officers/managers for "not for profit" organizations should work for minimum wage if they are serious about the sancity of the mission.The only one I donate to is the Salvation Army.

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from Russel Adams wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I am 62 years old. I finished up theNRA LIFE Join installment plan in Spring 1979; & I Lived in San AntonioTX in 1979 when the annual meeting was there! This was back when Neal Knox was NOT an OUTCAST!!! Harlon Carter was in NRA HQ ; The Members TOOK NTA Control BACK !!!!!Wayne LaPierre was still probably in short pants or in school somewhere.......Ever NOW no one Protects Gun owners & hunters better than NRA & their State affiliates.SOME BAD ADVICE was given in one of these earlier comments (sic) "buy a Gun for Someone" (sic) I just bought a Hunting Rifle (traditional Bolt Action).On the application (related to a 4473)I had to declare That I was eligible; Buying the firearm FOR MYSELF; & not making a 'Straw Man' Purchase...I DO NOT WANT THE FBI & BATF coming after me ! I do my best to get legal advice & obey the law! Your OWN State firearms Laws have to be obeyed; too!

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from borecrazy wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

It seems those who do not want to be NRA members for more than a year at a time have lost sight of our mission. To use the excuse that the NRA may take a path we don't support is the same as saying we are sitting back waiting for them to do our fighting for us. Being a member is an opportunity to voice your opinion as to what is important to you and as a member letting the organization know which direction you would like them to lead. Any organization whose leaders are the only ones doing the fighting is doomed to failure. So definately voice your opinion when you feel they are not using your membership wisely, but more importantly GET INVOLVED! Write your NRA and government representatives, respond to editorials, and do not miss an opportunity in your everyday life to set those straight who shoot their mouths off with incorrect and unsupported viewpoints on the gun and hunting issues. It is too early to take up arms against our adversaries, but it is important to let everyone know where you stand, the more that know the better!

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from JC Blauvelt wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Yeah!!!! Give 'em HELL Dave. The NRA may have a few pimples and warts, now the then, but you would not have the gun rights you have now if it was not for the NRA. The NRA is still THE biggest civil rights organization in the USA.

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from dickgun wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Dave,Although I was not in attendance, I, too, remember the NRA meeting of Harlan Carter and Neal Knox - and it's ongoing aftershocks following Neal's loss of power and attempts to regain it. He is definitely a hardliner. I knew Neal when he was with Dave Wolfe - Wolfe Publishing - before they moved Prescott, AZ.

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from dickgun wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

LaPierre repeated the 'jackbooted thug' - it first being used by John Dingell, D, MI. President Bush (#1) resigned his life membership. Nothing is forever.

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from Dr. Killdeer wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I am a life member of the NRA and will keep it that way. Also, a GOA supporter. I figure we'll go after the grabbers with both the soft touch and the hard line. Give them no rest.

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from Matthew T. wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The NRA knows full well the meaning of compromise and displayed that fact clearly with its support of HR 2640. I cancelled my membership yesterday and will put that $$ toward extending my GOA membership.

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from David wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Sorry I forgot to leave my Name the 1st timeIt is well worth my $35 a yearto be a NRA Member.Do I like all the mailings they send out asking for donations, no, but every now and then I'll may send another $25 because once again it is well worth it.Give a NRA Membership as a present, That wont even cost you $35 a year, and chances are they will renew it their membership and there is more money for the NRA Machine.If the NRA does not do it for us Who Will?

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

It is well worth my $35 a yearto be a NRA Member.Do I like all the mailings they send out asking for donations, no, but every now and then I'll may send another $25 because once again it is well worth it.Give a NRA Membership as a present, That wont even cost you $35 a year, and chances are they will renew it their membership and there is more money for the NRA Machine.If the NRA does not do it for us Who Will?

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from Bart Daddy wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

December 19, 2007 Special EditionFirearms Industry Statementon Passage of NICS LegislationThe National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), the trade association of the firearms industry, welcomes the passage of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Improvement Act of 2007 in the U.S. Senate earlier today. The legislation requires federal agencies to provide relevant data for use in the NICS system, a database that stores the names of individuals prohibited by federal law from purchasing or possessing firearms. Under the legislation states would either be rewarded for providing appropriate mental health records to NICS or penalized for refusing to turn over such data. The NICS Improvement Act does not expand the definition of who is a prohibited person. Anyone who can legally purchase a firearm today can still do so under this legislation.The legislation is supported by the firearms industry for several reasons, including that it will help to ensure that those individuals whom are deemed untrustworthy of possessing a firearm are unable to purchase firearms. The bill also will allow for individuals who are now unfairly prohibited from owning guns to appeal their prohibition and have their Second Amendment rights restored. This is currently not possible, and tens of thousands of Americans of sound mind, including many veterans, are permanently barred without due process from possessing firearms.NSSF has long supported an instant background check on firearms purchases -- support which predates that of any other group, including the nation's most radical gun ban organizations. NSSF will continue to monitor this legislation as it moves into conference and oppose any changes -- should they occur -- that would adversely affect law-abiding citizens.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

In my opinion, Dave is right.Washington is a bloodlust of egos, and so, yes; the ends do justify the means when it comes to OUR guns rights.The people who keep gun grabbers at bay are worth their weight in gold. So if you don't want to pay them, then change Washington politics.

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from PDKMF wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Listen to our Canadian neighbor. Their situation is deplorable with regards to guns and crime. They are a textbook study of what doesn't work.Also, whenever a politician or PAC bashes the NRA for it's 'unreasonable' position on the 2nd Amendment keep one thing in very clear focus:WE ARE THE NRA !!Merry Christmas to all!

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from Dr. Killdeer wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The NRA just compromised on S2640, known to the GOA as the Veterans Disarmament Act. Please redefine compromise.

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from Joe Halbach, Sr. wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I think Dave's point, while I agree with it, is a little off the main issue. If one knows Feldman's background, you'll know he is rabidly against our broad 2A protections. He is just very subtle about it. The NRA and LaPierre are side issues (however important to all of us, here).To see this, just note that Feldman is the darling of NPR, CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, etc. But especially of Brady President Paul Helmke and all the folks at Handgun Control Inc. and their successor organizations.They love Feldman.Here is a link to the full piece in the WaPo that Dave referred to:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/14/AR2007121401328_pf.htmlFeldman is very clever.

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from lastearlofshaw wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I get tired of N.R.A. fundraising solicitations, too, but I will NEVER believe anything written by a Jew in the WASHINGTON POST.

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from Bubba Joe wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

There is a time for all things, a time to preach and a time to pray, but those times have passed away. There is a time to fight, and that time has now come.Peter Muhlenberg, from a Lutheran sermon read at Woodstock, Virginia, January 1776

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from Sgt Bubba wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The NRA is the only show in town. The NRA has grown to the point that it is the most influencial group in America and hated by anti gun zealots as Schumer,Fienstein, Kennedy and comrad Hillary. Without the NRA and Wayne LaPierre and millions of other volunteers, all of America will become a "gun free zone".We have liberal politicans abusing the constitution and trying to strip us of our rights, the U.N. trying to strip us of our soverity and rights and you say Lapierre is arrogant? Give me a break!Thanks to guys like Ted Nugant, who risk their careers to protect your rights.Twenty years ago the NRA had 225 law enforcement officials come to D.C., to show that all law enforcement was not against guns, just some politically motivated chiefs looking to forwrd their careers. I was one of those officers. I gave an hour long interview to USA today and the only thing that got published was that the NRA PAID these cops to come to D.C. Don't expect thte truth from the media.We weren't paid, we did it for your rights and many of those officers were punished and had their careers cut short. Politically motivated chiefs and Mayors who abused their office, to impose their views on these officers.Hey, when the NRA calls, reach for your wallet and donate. Its the least you can do. Its the best investment in freedon that you can make. Sgt Bubba(life member)

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from Steve wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I would've cancelled my subsription to this email should Mr. Petzl have even suggested we should drop our NRA membership! They are a powerful and effective lobbying group-made so by the srtength and support of it's membership! All that needs to happen for them to fail in their mission is to have enough short-sighted, cheap, curmudgeons drop from the ranks of supporters!Steve

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from GREG wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Iam GOP all the way Bubba. Although I am a registered Independent I have never voted for one . What little rebel I have in me I guess. I agree with all those above that the NRA cannot fight unreasonableness(sp) with reason. It doesnt matter if we like Mr. LaPierre or not. It takes money that I cannot fathom to fight the fight. We have to get in their face because they are already in ours. Probably gonna dissapoint Dr. Ralph but I will not ever give up my 2A rights without a fight. Can you imagine going to an amory to fill out your forms to check out your rifle and three or four shells just to go hunting on a beautiful fall afternoon?

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I keep seeing folks whining because of the current presidency. Their main concern is that Bush did or did not do this or that. Wake up. Neither YOU nor Dubya are perfect! The GOP at least seems to understand man's frailties. The Dems still want to "help" us all by telling us what they want us to do. "If you will elect me, I'll see that you have excellent health care and 'I'll pay for it by repealing the current president's tax cuts'!" (''Hillary's words, not mine or Dubya's)Ergo: you get health care, but you're still paying out the wah-zoo for it.If you believe in 2A, pro-life, smaller government, less taxes, then you are basically GOP.Bubba

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from Richard Paradis wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I am a Life - Endowment member of the NRA and have been for decades. The only time I disagree with the NRA is when I don't know what I am talking about.Without the NRA this column would not have been written because firearms and hunting would not be an issue. There would be neither.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The actual fact is communists attack within! They make their enemy self implode!!The real enemy is with in!!!

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from Brandon wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

As far as I'm concerned there is no being reasonable when it comes to communists weaing politicians masks trying to take away our gun rights. I think we have already been steamrolled as it is. Instead of giving up any more rights we should be raising hell to get back the ones we've already lost!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Those like Clinton have an agenda that will put a UN soldier on every street corner and in every Mall in the US! Think about it? How did China get all those nuclear secrets and North Korea with all the nuclear fuel so easily??? Figured it out yet!What Government entity is responsible for your personal safety???? That question even Rush won’t take up on his show!!!! RUSH CLAY SAYS YOU ARE A WIMP!

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from Bubba Joe wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Done with the NRA-Now...if we could get another 2 million to do so...perhaps we could put together an effective organization out of the ashes.One where the president held up an AR-15 and shouted..”From my cold dead fingers”..One that looked into the camera and says…”You the government exist because of OUR sufferage..WE ALLOW YOU TO EXIST. Get OUT of the gun business..or cease to exist….

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from CLAY COOPER wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

SilverArrowAAAAAMMMEENNN BROTHER!

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

OkI was an annual member, for one year, quit; I hated all the stuff that was coming to me to support candidates whose only redeeming value was stated support of the 2A. Hated all the solicitations for money. Still not happy that they jumped into the New Jersey fray only in time to bask in the glow of a victory won by the New Jersey Sportsmens' Alliance and other concerned individuals mobilized.At this juncture, like all they say and do or not, I am rejoining as my holiday gift to myself. We do need the voice in Washington and NO they should not be reasonable, the left sure ain't!SA

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The left, the antis are playing for keeps!What about you?This is no game and there is no compromise either. History speaks for itself!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

It's against Australia law to protect yourself against a armed knife/gun attacker robbing you and attacking even when the attacker has already cut or shot you!

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from ISHAWOOA wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Oppressed Canadian, Greg, and Clay as well as others bring forth extremely valid observations and offer important comments that each of us should consider long and hard. All shooters, collectors, etc. need to unify and remain so indefinately regardless of the organization of which we are members. When you consider not only our wonderful neighbors in Canada, my ancestors in England, their friends in Australia as well as almost every other nation on this planet, we are in a position to be envied. Let's not let that be changed by anyone for any reason. We can quibble over calibers and actions amongst ourselves but we must not be out of agreement on possession of our firearms. We are fortunate in Wyoming in that it is easy to contact our people in Washington. If you want to speak with the governor you phone Cheyenne and believe it or not he will take the call if he can. I wish I could grant that accessibility to each of you in your resident states. Do the best with what you have, we must help each other and never give up an inch.

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from Shaky wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Right on, Coop. As for missinformation, spread by the NRA, I have never caught them in a lie. We absolutely must have someone in Washington who can deal with the rabid gun "control"loby. And the only people who can do that is one who is just as rabid on our side.I don't have to like Mr.LaPierrein order to support the NRA,what I like is the freedom to own and posses firearms for my personal use, and the NRA is THE organization to fill this job. I will be an anual member as long as I live, or until policy changes.Mr.Sage Sam, please re-read the post by our neighbor to the north,and don't ever think "it can't happen in the USA", because it surely can.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Anyone who keeps Chuck Schumer well supplied with stomach acid is worth billions to me. Let’s face it folks, the left especially the Clintons would love for all of America to be disarmed including yes let’s not forget the United Nations!!! Show me a country disarmed and I’ll show you a country overrun by criminals. Hell, take a look at Australia crime rate !

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from GREG wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Thanks Doc. I can get a little excited at times. Glad to have wiser Gentlemen such as yourself to give me a metaphorical slap in the mouth to check me. MERRY CHRISTMAS

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

GREG, you and I are on the same page for a change...

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from GREG wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

We better listen to the fella from Canada.

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from rob wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

As usual, DP is right on the money. You may love, loathe or tolerate the NRA, but they are about the only thing that keeps firearms in our hands.Sagebrush, if you don't think that someone will come and take your guns, you may want to revisit history. After all, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao, et all were only being reasonable.

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from Phillip wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Interesting conversation.I refused to join the NRA for many years, primarily because I disagreed with the No Compromise position and the recruitment tactics that relied so heavily on fear and misinformation.My mind changed after moving to CA several years ago and seeing, first hand, the attacks on our gun rights both blatant and subtle. After a lot of thought and consideration, I joined for life.I appreciate the fact that the NRA is there fighting, right or wrong, but loudly and brashly on the national level. Someone needs to be the hounds of hell up there, because the opposition is equally frenzied. The result is some sort of balance, constantly at risk but at least it's still teetering and hasn't fallen.I'm not happy with everything they've done, but I'd be even less happy if they didn't do anything.BUT... hunters need to organize our own voices and step up to defend ourselves. The NRA is neither equipped nor focused to address our unique challenges. We need the scalpel of a surgeon... the NRA is a D-9 dozer.

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from Scrap5000 wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I WISH I COULD POST A .GIF OF AN AUDIENCE CLAPPING, MR. PETZAL!THAT DESERVED A PULITZER PRIZE!!!!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Sage SamI guess if there is no habitat left to hunt, you won't need your guns?I know there will come a day when I am no longer physically able to hunt. I will want my guns EVEN MORE THEN to defend myself.Habitat conservation is a close second in priority to me personally.Merry Christmas, All!

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from oppressed canadian wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

to all those who think the NRA takes too hard a line look at us Canadians. the anti-gunners kept pushing how a gun registry and banning certain guns would fight crime but after wasting billions and confiscating millions of guns our crime is out of control and still they want more control. you need to fight them hard and not give an inch because you never get it back. I hate leaving the US everytime I visit family there because I have to come back to a country that denies me several rights you people still enjoy.

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from Dave Petzal wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

To Alamo: John Wootters was a director of the NRA for at least a couple of terms, as far as I recollect.What you are refering to is the Cincinnati Rebellion, where Harlon Carter, Neal Knox, and the general membership, threw out a "management team" that was not really dedicated to defending Article II. Carter was made Executive Vice President, Knox was made head of the ILA, and thereafter the NRA took a very hard line indeed. I was present at that General Members' Meeting, and as I recall, it ran from 7:30 in the evening to 3 in the morning.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Sage Sam I have never met anyone I agreed with 100% of the time. The NRA is on our side and if you want to keep your second amendment rights they are the best organization to donate to. I just wish they didn't send me a letter every month begging for more! The postage alone must run in the millions if this is the treatment we all get... You can't send a lobbyist to talk to Senators and Congressmen in a pick up truck. They all need BMW's and Mercedes just to do business in Washington. That and plenty of money so keep writing those checks.

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from Andrew wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

When in Rome........

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from alabamahunter wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Sage Sam, "the end justifies the mean" is called real politics. I do agree with you though. I don't like any lobbyist, I feel that they are part of the problem with our country now. Politicians have quit doing what they thnk is the right thing to do and now just try to appease the special interest groups. I had the pleasure of sitting next to a lobbyist at an Auburn football game this year. He was a lobbyist for some huge coorporation and was one of the dullest people I have ever met.

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

I’m a life NRA member. NRA is a necessary pain. Reason being NRA policy often is not in the best interest of NYS shooters and sportsmen. Sometimes it is direct conflict, or the NRA is simply non-supportive until it’s aware of local successand jumps on the band wagon.Politics suck, but I have to agree 90% of the time NRA is very articulate for most my shooting and gun interests.

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from Mike Strehlow wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

If anything, Petzal understates the feelings gun grabbers have for firearms in private hands. Ever notice how we always have to compromise in the gun grabbers' direction? If they are reasonable, why don't they compromise in our direction; ease carry laws, etc.?If the NRA adopted a policy of compromise, in ten years we would be debating whether a hunter should be issued three rounds or five when checking his hunting rifle out of the state run armory. Compromising with them is like compromising on a hanging; we think a man should go free, they think he should be hanged from sunup until sundown. So we compromise and hang him until noon.Go NRA.

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from Sage Sam wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

I oulled my membership from the NRA two years back when they came out spitting venom (complete lies) in response to a Wilderness Bill here in Colorado (Browns Canyon) that had been worked on by diverse parties for years. That combined with the Zumbo fiasco was the last straw.I disagree completely with Mr. Petzal. I don't want lobbyists making millions and I don't believe in a "the ends justify the means" tactics. I don't believe the hype that somehow the local sherrif (or BATFE for that matter) will show up at my door asking for my guns. I'm hoping that the upcoming Supreme Court ruling will finally put the gun rights argument to rest.I'm a helluva lot more concerned with shrinking habitat and constantly losing places to hunt. That is why I support organizations like Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership who are making sure that my kids and grandkids will get to enjoy the same things that I have.

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from KJ wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

"Reasonable" and "special-interest group" are mutually exclusive terms. The NRA isn't supposed to be reasonable - just effective. It is up to the electorate to be reasonable. I'm a life member, BTW.

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from jack wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

They (we) are protecting a truly monumental freedom enshrined in the 2A. Do we protect it with a hellish beast or a pussycat?We have everything to lose through compromise - the gun control crowd has everything to gain.The NRA stands athwart, yelling: "Stop!". For me, it's well worth $35 clams a year.

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from Don wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

I ended my affliation with the NRA (National Republican Association?) when I began receiving direct solicitations from the Bush re-election campaign. I have no desire to affiliate with the GOP and this disaster of a president. Too bad, because otherwise I could support their work.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

JimGood observation! I could care less how arrogant Mr. LaPierre is, or isn't. Bottom line is that the NRA has been instrumental in keeping the power mongers out of our gun cabinets, so far. I think all the front runners from both parties are anti-gun. Rudy and Hillary are both anti-gun. I'm voting for candidates that protect my gun rights. As long as I have my gun rights, I can defend the others.

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from Matt wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

You are now indebted to Heavey, Dave? Isn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse? And yes, anything that causes Herr Schumer's skin to crawl is, to quote Martha Stewart, a good thing.

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from jstreet wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

While I am an NRA member (and have been for years) I don't like LaPierre, never have, never will, I think he's an arrogant putz.Having said that, he is effective and fits well in a town full of arrogant putz(s).Jim.

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from CoRoMo wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Gun-control is not about guns... it's about CONTROL."The Second Amendment of our Bill of Rights is my concealed weapons permit, period!"Ted Nugent

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Everyone needs to draw their own line in how much of their money they’re willing to give to an organization that uses it to pad living large life-styles that revolve around expensive dinners, inner circles, and executive privileges.I reached that point about 15 years ago with both the NRA and Ducks Unlimited. Both organizations treat their rank-and-file membership the same way many unions do. And the may go the way of the Dodo bird like unions have.

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from PbHead wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Good point Dave. If anyone thinks the NRA leadership does not earn their money, be prepared to move to Washington and fight Hillary and crew for free.Give a gun for Christmas. Happy Holidays.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

It just dawned on me. A special interest group and reasonable in the same sentence. Damn Ox I just spit all over another keyboard!LOL Just a joke fellas

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from GREG wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

I sometimes have issues with any special interest I support. I do agree with WAMtnhunter that the NRA is the group that deserves our support the most.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

As a life member after many years of annual membership, I can say that overall I am satisfied with the intent and actions of the NRA. I have occasionally taken issue with some comments and negative exposure by the NRA, but overall, who has defended our rights to bear arms? I used to belong to the Sierra Club many years ago when they were a conservation minded group, not what they have become today.So if you have issues with the NRA, support someone else who defends our 2A rights. And oh by the way, let us all know who that might be.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

I too am an annual member. Reason being some financial but mainly for the same reason as Alamo and others. A year in the life of any special interest group is an eternity and their focus can change drastically in that time. Wasnt it Mr. La Pierre that made the jack booted thug comment a few years ago? If memory serves that gave "us" a big black eye for some time. That put a lot of focus on the NRA and not the good kind.

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal-A poster above comments on annual vs. Life Membership.I am also an annual member, but not for financial reasons. I base that decision on a phiosophy I read back in the 70s. I believe it was John Wooters, commenting on the late 70's controversy when a group of board members attempted to essentially change the focus of the NRA to a more conservation / land use advocacy group with less emphasis on defending the 2A.As I recall this was for all intents and purposes, an attempted coup. I believe the "counter-insurgency" was lead by Harlon Carter (and others)at the annual meeting. The gist of Wooters article was he chose to remain an annual member because you never know what the future holds. He would not be tied to an organization that changed its focus.I don't know all of the details. Would you please comment?

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Well said David.

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from Dan wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

I'm a member of the NRA with a yearly renewal. For a couple reasons I don't join for life or for more than a year at a time. The 1st being financial. I love how my membership isn't up until April, yet around October, and monthly after that I get a renewal notice. This seems a "fishy" practice to me, but hey I keep sending my check every March.The second reason I'm only a yearly member is I can distance myself from an organization that IMHO everynow and then does, or says something extremely stupid. So far though, nothing bad enough to make me quit the NRA. My favorite pet peeve are the yearly opinion polls they send out that are worded in such a way, you can only give the answer the NRA wants you to give. (not that this isn't done by lots of groups....politicians for one)I believe the NRA is a needed organization and believe they help protect our gun rights. I just wish they used better judgement in some of their actions.Just my 2 cents,Dan

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

I've heard that when discussing something controversial, first, attack the opponent's argument. Find flaws, untruths, etc. If that fails, attack the opponent. You can even stretch the story on him or her because personal traits are more subjective, while topics are generally based on facts.Yooper

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from Blue Ox wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Amen!!

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 11 weeks ago

I would like to offer the NRA a little constructive criticisum.I do believe a lot of money is wasted on these constant renewal alerts. Gentlemen you are preaching to the choir. Cut the notices in half and spend the rest on new membership drives.

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from JeffCooperFan wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

Why can't the anti's get it through their thick craniums. The 2nd ammendment is about our ability to defend ourselves against criminals and potential dictators. The only reasonable gun law that exists is to keep guns out of the hands of violent felons. In my opinion the NFA should have been declared unconstitutional and repealed years ago.

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from Nugefan wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

Spot On Mr. Petzal!!!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 14 weeks ago

To all who have seen or heard the results of last nights Iowa Corn squenzins better hang on to what you got. From those results, if continues thru NH, Hell will Freeze over. If you saw the DOW results tonight, the market feels the same. We headed down the road to no recovery.No one to throw us a rope, we are on our own. I bet the Muslim world has had a Tea party all day and night, as they now have us in their dress or what-ever you call that bed-sheet they wear . If this country don;t wake up fast and make drastic changes in our long range thinking, we are hopeless lost to a 3rd world country. And, the NRA can;t stop that. Our only chance is to VOTE and take your neighbor to Vote and explain to him the ABC's of life. I or you cannot change what happened l00 yrs ago, but we sure as Hell can change it for now and another 4 years. Yep, the Rich have gotten richer the past 7 years and the poor have gotten poorer and will even more so.I;ve lived almost 73 years and recall the Bad times, fair times, and god times and the Bad again.I hate to think my grandchildren will have to endure the pitfalls some of us have had to cross. Listen to your heart and soul and then decide what is best not only for you but for your family and the country. The path we are beginning to take leads to a dead end with no turn around. Some peope are born leaders, some are born to follow.We all cannot be leaders, so we must follow the best there is to follow. Within a few weeks, I do believe you will see who to follow and that person has got to have enough experience to take on the entire Muslim world. So far we have only had a taste of the damage conrol they got. i for one don;t care to see the remainder. And, as for the NRA, they can;t or wan't be able to help but spend your money. Better save it for ammo. and a R-l5. O how I wish hunting season opened in Am out West, to see the beauty of our MAKERS work, is worth the expense and trip out, even if you don;t pull the trigger.At my age of 72+ just pray can go again this year and enjoy that god-given beauty that is there to enjoy and see. To bad we all not born with enough $ to see this great country, but with some hard work and lots of luck we can see some of it. See you on the trail. Shoot straight and shoot often. The Old Gunslinger down South who can and does shoot well. Be sure and Vote when time comes to your state,one of the few freebies left.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I will assure you they are legal and registered, and I can and will use them when necessary. As for Little G. he listened to no one. He does not have the know how to take advice other than what he so chooses. I do believe even his Mon and Dad have divorsed him as well as JEB Clampett in Fl. Have you forgotten his other brothers sswindle of millions in the S&L scandal years ago. No doubt you recall that we tax payers payed out millions in that little swindle, O how memory is short when it fits our needs. AS for Sex with that WOMAN, manbe she did and he didn;t, were you there? there is a difference I;m told. Hillary is no fool, she knew the way to the WH was with his Help and knowledge. He will go down in history as one of the smartest pres.we ever had, but the Monica L. will overshadow till it runs is course. After 8 years of Bushie Boy, it should have run it's course. I do hope that Hillary does get the health plan approved, as the Medicare plan D that AARP sold us out to W is a joke. All I want is same plan that congress has at same cost to the taxpayers. I got Plan D and it's a joke, the medication they pay for is about l in lK of what we all need. Doubt you recall, but many years Stalin of Russia, stated that a 3rd world country would take over the USA and never fire a shot. Do belive that time has arrived, try buying something not made in China. The NRA is a SHAME, all it does is take our dues and blows it on high $ salaries. Our 2nd amd, is our least worry now, best we worry about those Muslim countries coming over again by PLANE. Hey, o news tonight, believe was 63 of Bushies cabinet who got their degrees by the internet. They available for anyone, believe I will get a PHD or Dr, what-efer it takes to make some extra $$$$ to hunt the Rockies with MY BOLT GUNS and Single Action Handguns, if they don;t work, then will take my Auto's,. But it's not the firearm, it's the man behind teh butt stock that matters, and do confess, a pretty good shot with any firearm. If you recall my previous comments, Pratice and Pratice and do so ofen, shoot straight. Hey, in the MArket for a A. Uberti in 44-40, got one for sell, they about 900.00 bucks. Well, hunting season is now over for this area, so suppose all we can hunt is Politicians for next l0+ months, then back to the basic's, the Rocky Mountains. O I invited Cheney to go along on next trip, so long as he carries a sling-shot HAPPY NRE YEAR All. Hopefully we can resolve the worlds problems in 2008 if not then 2009 for sure.If I;m not around, you guys take csre of things on the home front, as we already lost the rest of the world. When does thr Season close in Canada ?.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

RMHWhat is the Billary plan for jobs? Will she require everything bought here be made here. That idea has some shortfalls, not the least of another World War. Whether we like it or not, the economy is global. Besides, our biggest overseas problem is Red China. Since they are a principal financier of her campaign, you won't many restrictions on anything with respect to that nation.Whose advice should GWB take? Before he went to war in Iraq, he relied on advice from the CIA, the other US Intelligence Agencies, Mossad, Britain's MI6,and Senior Senators and Representatives FROM BOTH PARTIES, including Billary. Had he ignored that advice, he'd be in the same boat, except the madman would still be free.As for investments, in your case I would get rid of those 1911 style handguns,DA Revolvers, any semi-automatic or pump rifles and shotguns and any rifle that could be used for long range sniping. Buy youself an antique style muzzle loader for big game and maybe a SA Revolver for home defense. Those should be safe under a Billary Administration, assumming that they're registered properly.YooperJack

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

RMHThe person in the WH is not the problem, it's the agenda of the Party elected. Our democracy is supposed to be a government "of the people, by the people, for the people!" Personal agendas have no place in a position of power, and we have already heard HRC claim that she "will see that ALL Americans have affordable healthcare, and will pay for it by repealing some of Bush's tax cuts!" Is this not interpreted by saying, "I'll just make sure you pay for your government based health care, whether you like it or not!"?If Bill DID NOT have sex with that woman, what was it?If he thinks being a Rhode's Scholar puts him above the correct answer to that question, what else has he lied about. Yep, I said "LIE"! Not only that, but he went on public television to do it! Ergo: He lied to me publicly!If Hillary will believe that BS, what's she gonna believe from her advisors? Any self respecting female would not, under any circumstances, stay with a man who would cheat and lie like that!If she didn't have her own personal agenda to fill, (re: POTUS) she would have kicked ol' Billy boy back to AR whar he larned thet stuff! Being a divorced woman would have been a hard blemish to cover up. Having the backbone to stand up to WJC would have taken more spine than that but she cratered to her agenda!Maybe Dubya ain't the answer to "a maiden's prayer!", but I can't see the U.S. would have come out better with any of the alternatives available to us at the time!Bubba, aka: "Converted to GOPism after 1 WJC term!"

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Yooper JAck; I don;t know where you live, but where I live, teh jobs are gone and teh cities and counties are draining the home owner to the pits to run the County and City.AS for Education at Yale and Harvard, I have a Nephew who has a degree from both and he don;t have enough common sense to boil water. I thin he is majoring in Education. If he ahd to get a job to make a living he would starbe to death. Common sense will take you a lot further than a degree. AS our folks running for Pres. all strike out. Where are our statesmen as we had back in teh 40's and 50's/ None to be found. This country is going to pay a heavy price from W's stupid mistakes for the past 7 years. He listens to no one, not even his Mom now.His Dad has sense enough not to enter Bagdad, as he had no way out. Little W. did not think that far ahead. All he wanted was to get even with Hussen for the attempt on big W's life??????. If he had chained and taped Cheney's mouth shut, we would not be in l/2 the mess we now in. But, he will not/has not took advice from the EXPERTS period, he's going to do it his way come Hwll or high water. As for Brains, Hillary is head and shouldes above most running. No way could she screw up the country anyway more so than Little W has. I would love to see the Clintons in the W house again, at least we could all pay our bills and have a job.As for Gun Control, forget it, who-ever gets to be Pres. wan;t have time to worry about your firearm, will take all their time trying to make peace with the world and find jobs for those without job and no prospects.Sure some have made it big during W;s term, but the Repbulicians have always looked after their own, that how they stay in powetr and keep the Banks full.Just prove to me, that this country is better off now than it was in 2000?????? and I will listen to you. All my life was told that the Dems looked after the poor and the Reps looked after the Rich? Do believe that has proven correct, or it has in my neck of the woods.Your Guns are safe, just know whetr they are when you need them. Thats what Vaults/Home firearm safes for. A old expression I love, don;t leave home without one, I don;t and sleep with one near by. HAppy New Year, may your pennies turn to dollars, and your job is still there when you return, if you not retired. If retired, best you watch your investments, they on shakey ground now. Those 5-10K hunting trips and l500.00 firearms are History, just wistful thinking. It's magazine time for hunting trips again.Just pray for one more Rocky Mountain hunt, will see come Nov. 2008.

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I see the exorcism has been held for those overwhelmed by the Christmas Spirits.’08 should be quite a year. Can’t wait to see what will be wrought after observing the more thoughtful blogger-mouths on this site.

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from Mock1 wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Dr Ralph, been reading your responses,and everyone else's for about a year now and haven't responded much. Didn't even see a deer today, but got to get out w/ my friend's nephew. I've cooled down after last night's rant and decided not to change my mind at all! Thanks for the compliment. (But don't retire, Ilike you and Coop's input)Mock1

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Just got my AR15 back after having it rebarreled with a 1-9 twist heavy. After sighting it in a 100 yards, my 8 year old Grandson Alex functioned checked it for me with two 20 round and one 30 round mag as fast as he can empty it and I can change mags. The tree stump he was squirting at was safe has long as it remained still! Yep, the barrel did get a bit warm!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Gman:You raise an interesting point. I've always heard that LBJ, who went to a teachers's college in Texas, always felt inadequate around Ivy Leaguers. GWB, and John Kerry both did Yale, and yet Kerry seemed to be the "cerebreal candidate". But frankly, neither let you forget their education. Every speech that Mrs. Bill Clinton gives, contains a reference to both Radcliff and Yale. I enjoy how she can incorporate that into condescending to middle class black women.My gut feeling is that the candidate who DIDN'T go to Yale or Harvard might be the better choice, everything else being equal. There is a sense of infallibilty with those graduates that you and I don't see in the "real world". Keep in mind that one of the better Presidents was Harry Truman, who never went to college.YooperJack

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from Gman wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Yooper,I don't think GWB is organically dumb; I just don't think things like policy were all that exciting to him.Yale and Harvard were very different places when he went; he was the grandson of a senator, son of a war hero/alum/Congressman, and let's not forget that, in his undergrad days at least, the Ivys were all male and "Old Boy."I used to say that in all his public pronouncements that the only thing he sounded really passionate about was physical fitness. And years later I came across this acid quote from James Baker that W's core values were "God and exercise."Had W been a regular Joe who rose to his own level, I think he'd be a successful owner of a chain of health clubs, not POTUS.That said, I think Hillary and Bill were indicative of the first wave of the Ivy "meritocracy," which has given us the absurd over-emphasis on a very small percentage of colleges turning out the "cream" of society, and we've abdicated a lot of our role as citizens to this small cadre. When H first ran for Senate, I was quite put off; she had never spent any real time in NY in her life. But because she "went to the best schools," she was considered qualified to be a NY senator.As a 7th or 8th-generation upstater, I just can't see how H can, on anything but a theoretical basis, really understand the concerns of the average guy on a small farm in the Adirondacks or in a one-factory town.But she's more symptom than cause.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Coachike:You're right on! We put far too much emphasis on what the speaker says, (substance) versus how he or she said it(delivery). I remeber how we were all moved to tears when he said "I did not have sex with that woman". The fact that he pointed directly at the camera when he said it just made the point! We now have a chance to elect his wife. Until this election season, I thought she sounded a lot like Adolph Hitler. Now, taking questions, she comes across with that cackle. I expect her to finish every answer with "And your little doggie too".Seriously, I would have a problem questioning the President's IQ. He has a Bachelor's Degree from Yale, and an MBA from Harvard. You can't find those in Crackerjack boxes. I often wonder if I could have accomplished that much in those schools. Fact is, my high school GPA would have barred me from ever being accepted at either of them.I don't think that most of us realize what we've been through this past generation. We spent the last part of the Seventies, hell bent on destroying the CIA. It was a "rogue organization" that was no longer necessary and many of our politicians wanted it gone. In the late Nineties, we were throwing rockets at vacant apirin factories and wondering exactly what kind of weapons our enemies had. In short, its been a tough time for anyone to govern. As I said earlier, we are making progress in the War on Terror. We have a 4 per cent unemployment rate. Our inflation rate is 4 per cent. If those reasons aren't enough to make you bend your knee and be a bit thankful, you probably need some help.YooperJack

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

I think I'll retire... Mock 1 has it covered.

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from Mock1 wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

RMHHow do you think all those "rich dudes" got rich? Are you saying they aren't hard working? Do you think you should be rich if you are a hard working 9-5 mon-fri? Most hard working guys, and girls I know, have jobs, it's because they have a rep for being "hard working" Maybe you want to vote for Clinton because she can do a better job? I remember when we got a big democrat congress and how they were going to "make things right" They have, what, the lowest 23% rating in the history of congress? Yeah, I'm sure that's GW's fault too, because he has a whopping 25% approval rating. Great mandate. People have lost faith in their govt. Period. Gee, I wonder why, since one man "the Pres" has so much control over the whole country. I learned in school about this thing called checks and balances. It should be called who gives a shit, pay me, let me stay in a mansion, give me my salary and health care until I die. Yes, you may be right, one man caused all this misery

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

As for the defecite,Bushie Boy gets credit for that.You can blame anyone you please, but it occured under his watch.( prior to 911, his list of questions and answers for the day were beside his plate for him to read) Sure, most rich dudes made lots of $$$ under BUSHIE Boy, but the hard working guy is looking for a a job. Thank god, Bush only has one year to go, and any of the people running can do a better job than he has. Bush is like the NRA, take our $$$$ and spend as you want. Hopefully he will take Wayne back to Crawford with him as his body guard.Or Stable Boy, O' can Bush ride a Horse?He sure knows how to ride the fence.

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from mock1 aka michael wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

Sorry, what also is sad is tha I didn't spell Reagan right. So much for my credibility!Mock1

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from mock1 aka michael wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

NRA sheep? Move to Australia. As to GW, many of us supported him, including Congress and Senate when the war started. We thought we were looking at WMD's. How long was GW in office when the Sh!t hit the fan. Could any of you do better? After 9-11, we had the stock market close, huge losses, I sent the wife out immediatley to fuel up the cars, had her pull some cash out of the bank, locked and loaded to protect my family if it came to that. We all looked up in the sky and for many of us, the first time in our lives we didn't see jet contrails in the sky. How, after all that, do the antigun bastards even have the balls to challenge the 2A rights that we have?! People always ask me after I show them a new firearm that I bought, "how many guns do you need?" I tell them back that although I may not need them, I have the RIGHT to have them. The NRA helps keep that right. I firmly believe that my rights to protect myself and my family, greatly outweigh who is going to GIVE me free healthcare, free retirement, free, this, free that. NRA sheep! KMA, that stands for kiss my ass! Mr Joe Anderson, Tell me the next time you are going to march on Wash. give me a months notice so I can take the time off, see, I run a business that supports my family including healthcare and stuff. We all stick together on the 2A and we will do fine. I say, start w/ the basics. For the record, I was more for throwing all those troops going to Afganistan and finding and killing Bin Laden, but we are stuck w/ it now, so let's get it done, pull out when we can and let all those crazy sons-of-bitches kill each other off, so the UN can beat us up again. I jumped into Panama w/ the 82nd Airborne when I had to and got a purple heart for my troubles. I saw through 6 years in the military that these people dont hold life as sacred as we do. It's sad. But I won't let it happen to my family, and that way is to start w/ the basic "RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS". ANY polotition who doesn't make that REAL clear will not get my vote. It's so sad, we are supposed to be self governed. Shit, call 911-I think they are now calling it Dial-A-Prayer. I can't believe we have to pay a congress and senate (who get a pay raise every year, unless they vote against it yuk, yuk) and keep the same salary and health care until the day they die, doesn't do what they are supposed to do. They are supposed to serve us! We serve them. Where is R. Reagon, or someone like him when we need him? Sorry about the rant, I just think that we need to take back our control of the gov't instead of the other way around. Tomorrow is the 2nd to last day of muzzleloader in Ohio, and I'm going. Maybee that will settle me down a bit. Johan, you spelling still stinks! Coop, tell me my TC barrel I just ordered in 25-06 will be accurate. United we stand. Divided, We are doneMock 1 aka michael

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from coachike wrote 6 years 15 weeks ago

yooper jack,i take it that you are GWB fan, well i'm not. the man has trouble tying his own shoes let alone coming up with a complete sentence on camera. yet the man has the balls to come up with "no child left behind" bill. what this now means is that kids in school, no matter how big of a dirtbag for lack of a better word they are now have to graduate. so what he is he saying? you can fail and still have a promising career! GWB was a "C" student at best and now that moron is running, i mean ruining the country not to mention our economy. i am certainly not a hillary fan by far, this country will never ever let a woman be president. maybe guliani could be the answer, i don't know, but the nra needs to do something soon, because your boy bush doesnot care one way or the other, he has made enough money over the last 8 years so that his grandkids could pay off this debt!

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from Joe Anderson wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

All you nra sheep need to learn to look at things ojectivelly and they havent held up there end along with all the other so called pr 2nd amendment organazations in gw's fist term they all should have joined foreces and accually got the 2nd amendment reinstated ; thats why we support wichever one we individually chose but that opertunity has come and gone and yet they're still making the same promiseses they where before ; my objective veiwtells me there all in it for the money and not us or acheveing what is always promissed IT'S UP TO US TO WALK ON WASHINGTON AND DEMAND THAT THE 2ND AMENDMET BE REINSTATED AND A AMENMENT BE PASSED THAT CLEARLY STATES NO LAWS OR BILLS OR AMENDMENTS AGAINST THE 2ND AMENDM

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I thought a video of Hillary shooting something was a good idea until this morning when Dave mentioned topless girls shooting machine guns on video... now the whole thing is just ruined for me. What a horrible mental picture.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

ClayNot sure you can quite put Wayne LaPierre into the same league with Teddy Roosevelt.YooperHillary making a rat-a-tat video; yech! Disgusting thought!RMHEveryone is entitled to their opinions, but please get your facts straight.SA

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Mr. Wayne LaPierre reminds me of President Theodore Roosevelt, walk softly and carry a really big stick!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

RMHHopefully you can enlighten me! You refer to the deficit. As I understand it, tax revenues are coming in at record numbers because 1) More people are working and paying taxes, 2) Corporations are making record profits and paying taxes, and 3) Less people are on public assistance. Yet, all of the Democrats running for GWB's job are complaining about this deficit. I know that there is a tremendous shorfall in both Social Security and Medicaid, but that's actually a different issue because they are covered by their own tax and, theoretically, have their own accounts. That should have no bearing on the annual budget.I also suspect that 9/11, the war in Afganistan, the war in Iraq and the funding for a newHomeland Security Department might have had some affect on the deficit. However, if Mrs. BJ Clinton can show us how she would fund both of the wars, HSD and the cost of 9/11 without dipping into the National Treasury, I might even vote for her (if they do video of her shooting something).YooperJack

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

RMH, if Hillary is elected our country will have been run by a total of two families since 1988... give her two terms and that's a lot like 30 years! We might as well be a dictatorship. If you want change, vote for the only person on earth who can give it to us. RON PAUL

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

As for the NRA, tell me what they have done to improve gun ownership. Also, to the guy praising GWB (little one), What happened to the balanced Budget he inhereted in 2001? enough said. Now look at our budget. Your great grandkids will never live to pay his debt. Kinda odd, I did well from 92 thru 2000, then all went to Hell in a handbasket and is still there. Maybe come Jan. 20 2009, if I live that long, someone will save our A--. We all thought Pappa George was a idiot, but turns out he was smart as they come. Do believe little G took after his MOM, run your mouth so no one else can speak. Come on Hillay, be nice to have 2 Clintons running the Country again.Now thats what we call experience of the best order. Little G will invade Turkey if he can after todays killing. How he's survied, we will never understand. But with the Supreme court in his pocket, he was protected well. O well, to see him fly back to Texas for good.

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from Troy S. wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The fact that the article appeared in the Washington Post was enough to give me pause before reading the crux of Mr. Heavy's letter...talk about liberal rags-ugh!I agree with EVERYTHING Petzal wrote...keep the pressure on the libs at whatever cost it takes. If that means we pay LaPierre several hundred thousand dollars a year, then so-damn-be-it. He's worth every penny, then and now!How many lobbyists do you know who keep the same job past 5 years?Answer: (none)LaPierre is a pioneer when it comes to organizational loyalty-Life Member since 2002

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from joel wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

how much would a box of ammo cost?assuming you could even buy it,if it weren't for the NRA.I send em my 25$ every year

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from Lonnie wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

As for an alternative group that stands for the Second Amendment, that is easy. Gun Owners of America. I think we all need to see the fresh gun grab law that your beloved NRA helped to write.If it is used to the extent it was written a lot of veterans will lose their right to possess a weapon. The meer treatment for PTSD is justification to have their gun ownership rights removed. And as for the thought that they can appeal, well if they are willing to foot the bill, they can. The POS Chuck Shumer has refuse to fund the bill from the previous Bill Clinton gun grab.My honest opinion is we need to throw every career politician out of office in the next election. I also think any bill that changes or modifies the intent of the founding fathers of any of the bill of rights in the original constitution should be voted on by the citizens of the country. Not allowed to be hidden in the dark and passed by a subversive group of nanny staters.

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from coachike wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

dear dave,i live in new jersey and it is a pain in the ass as it is to apply for a firearm's purchaser permit, but when you do go to buy your firearm that day , the retailer is REQUIRED to charge an instant background check that day!! they also have the nerve to make you show id for the purchase of ANY ammo for that gun. don't you think the NRA should do something about that? I have been a member now for approx 3 years and it bothers me that as soon as i signed up they were immediately asking for $100 donations to battle/protect our second ammendment rights.

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from Gil Martin wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I am a Life Member of the NRA and support them because they are our best hope of keeping our guns and the Second Amendment.The NRA should be tough as hell when dealing with anti-gun politicans and anti-gun special interest groups. The anti-gunner's idea of "reasonable gun controls" is simply this; they will take half our guns now and the other half later. That is no choice at all and certainly no basis for being reasonable.All the best...Gil

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Hey Ralph ,... yahoooo ,.. not even a new year and here we go again,.. YUK YUKBut again you got me wrong .Not enough time now will be back atcha ,.Just got some good news which Im gonna take as an excuse to polish off a boston lager or twoTommy,.. I like it,..you da man.Mountain Hunter all these here fellas ar good guys and such ,.. they just been brain washed out of thinkin,...gis maybe by the Col. and a few lutenant Chickens,..Oh and by the way the capitalist pig was so impressed with the 870's in bith 12 & 20 ,. decided ,.. the hell with itDont need no burdy ,..barker's scatter guns ,. called a guy who still things it matters,..Got a goodprice ,.. not crazy price but ,.. he's hapy and a I made a little,.. were both happyHappy New year

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Folks, we have no choice but to support the NRA. We must hold our leaders accountable, but "teaching them a lesson" by withholding funds will only work to our own detriment. I'm not suggesting carte blanche, and I'm not saying they're always right--but they are the only bulwark we've got that is capable of stemming the tide. The NRA is our "seawall," if you will, against the "waves" of anti-gun hysteria and political attacks we suffer from time to time. Remove it, and we get inundated with ridiculous laws and regulations. Also, I would caution that we do not divide ourselves based on such political considerations as universal health care or immigration reform. Don't say another gun owner is wrong because he or she is for or against universal health care, or is for or against "amnesty" for illegal aliens. We also don't want ANY political party to think it has a "lock" on our vote, lest it take us for granted. Remember when Bush said he'd sign a new "assault weapons ban" if Congress passed it? Does that sound like he was "dancing with the one who brought him?" If any political party thinks it has our votes automatically, we won't get our due consideration and respect from any of them. So far, no party has launched an outright attack upon us this campaign season--and that shows the power that we wield, the power that we have made them respect. We must make sure that we don't give our votes to anyone based upon lip service, but only upon demonstrated commitment to the preservation of our rights. If they want our votes, they've got to earn them!

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from GMiller wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I'm an Endowment member of NRA and have been a life member since 1972. The 2nd Amendment is NOT about hunting and habitat even though there is an indirect link (unless you're a bow hunter). The right of self defense from bad people and bad governments is a basic HUMAN right. If the means of defense is taken away then the right is effectively taken away (look at the British). NRA is far from perfect but who else really does what they do? They also support and advocate many kinds of shooting sports of which I'm a participant. To those who whine about getting mail asking for funds, you do have a trash can don't you? Whenever you get a solicitation that somehow grabs you, send the folks some $$$. That's just the way it works. If anyone on this blog wants to lessen the need for an NRA, vote wisely when you are given the opportunity every two years.

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from J oe anderson wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I'M ALLFOR THE BRADY BUNCH BEING ON ANT ACID ;bUT i JOINED BACK IN THE 1ST TERM OF CLINTON AND NO REAL ABOLISHMENT OF ANY UNCONSTITUTIONALLAWS HAS HAPPENED ESPECIALY DURING BUSHES 1ST TERM WHEN EVERYTHING WAS CONTROLLED BY SO CALLED R'S THERE IS NO EXCUSE THAT ; THEN THE NRA AND ALL OTHER PRO 2ND AMENDMENT GROUPS DIDNT GO TO WASHINGTON AND DEMAND THAT ALL UNCONTITUTIONAL LAWS WIPED OFF THE BOOKS AND A AMENDMENT BE PASSED THAT CLEARLY STATES THAT NO LAW OR AMENDMENT CAN BE PASSED THAT INFRINGES ON THE 2ND AMENDMENT CAN BE PASSED PERIOD AND THATS WHY I HAVE LEFT THE NRA AND WILL NEVER BE A MEMBER AGAIN there is no excuse for not acheveing this none

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from J oe anderson wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I'M ALLFOR THE BRADY BUNCH BEING ON ANT ACID ;bUT i JOINED BACK IN THE 1ST TERM OF CLINTON AND NO REAL ABOLISHMENT OF ANY UNCONSTITUTIONALLAWS HAS HAPPENED ESPECIALY DURING BUSHES 1ST TERM WHEN EVERYTHING WASCONTROLLED BY SOCALLED R'S THERE IS NO EXCUSE THAT ; THEN THE NRA AND ALL OTHER PRO 2ND AMENDMENT GROUPS DIDNT GO TO WASHINGTON AND DEMAND THAT ALL UNCONTITUTIONAL LAWS WIPED OFF THE BOOKS AND A AMENDMENT BE PASSED THAT CLEARLY STATES THAT NO LAW OR AMENDMENT CAN BE PASSED THAT INFRINGES ON THE 2ND AMENDMENT CAN BE PASSED PERIOD AND THATS WHY i HAVE LEFT THE NRA AND WILL NEVER BE A MEMBER AGAIN there is no excuse for not acheveing tis none

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

SAYou're about as committed as I am!I did send a small amount to McCain.I don't agree with everything he does and says, but He's a war hero and I belierve him to be honest. What did Paul say RE Lincoln?YooperJack

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Oops, didn't proofread my last. Meant to say GWB may not be the cat's meow....Can't believe anyone would want to see Klintonista IIMcCain is going to be up by me on Saturday, might try to go see him. Ron Paul pretty much blew it with the Lincoln comments. Coming down to the wire here, Huckabee or McCain in my book. Not exactly on my same ideals but lots closer than Chamelion Romney or Rudy's big government crap.Random thoughtsSA

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Amen Yooper. Yohan, socialists take from you for the common good. Free men such as ourselves give for the common good. That's your flaw in us banding together to fight the gun grabbers, no one is forcing us to do it. This of course you may not understand as you have stated before you are on another plane...Aeroflot? Those 870's are $199 here and have been for a while. Hell six years ago they were $219. Must be that runaway inflation.

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

YooperNice post! Couldn't have said it better myself. WB may not be the cat's meow but he is a HELL of a lot better than the alternatives!SA

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from Tommy wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Gutless twerps in Congress....I know its the holidays, but quit being so nice.

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

RalphWhy thank you sirComing from youMeaning a gent with tunnel vision on both politics and economics.I consider it a minor victory that you would ignite the mental fire wood of logic,..to the extent that you wouldconsider in any way an eco/political view that didnt have G.O.P as a leter head.Also ,. Ralph ,. wouldnt go as far as me congratulating you YUK YUK ,.More like me pointing out the flaw in your argument,or maybe you entire political philosophy.See thats where you an I differ ,. I need /must see things for what they are and deal with it,. just as that.I can not look at things and template a "used to be this way" mind set and hope for some reason it turns out to be that way .I cannot hope Im right basesd on what other people in the past have postulated,.. given constantly changing conditions.Kinda like the MD's of the world deniging veracity of holistic medicine or the chiropractic community ,.. its crazy.Call me what you want ,.. but truly I am neither a Capitalist Pig or a Socialist,..Well maybe just a little bit of a capitalist ,.. but those who know me would take issue with the pig part.I am an American who had to claw his way to to socio- economic mediocrity,. cause there was no real help or direction.After which I decided being broke sucked big time.From there decided that if both my brains guile were employedI could possibly doge the slings and arrows of those,.. who seeing me coming would try to stop me.From what you ask? Fromsimply attaining a position where from it was possible to compete on equal footing.I learned a lot doing thatThe biggest lesson is what I said earlier.In buisnes if you dont learn to recognize it sooner or later, you will be devoured by some who does.Which is the following.If you get a chicken,.. or multiple chickens,.. convinced that it is a great and glorios thing to vote for Col.Sanders.You are a long way to convincing them to get other chickens to vote for the colBased on what the Col used to promise ,.Its insane.Mountain Hunter has it doped pretty good.Check all economic idicators durring Clinton time in office.V/s now,,.. have your accountant tell you how much you need to be making ( income) before you should consider voting for COL Sanders,..Its over 200 K boys ,..That said last two days ,. had more fun than 40 puppies in a rabbit patch ,..Chaseing squirrels, rabbits and even a couple slow flyin grouse.Think they mebe got holt of some discarded corn squeezensAll with 870 20 ga ..I picked up not long ago on a whim,..Yup my new favorite toy870 20 ga ,.. Like it bettr than one of them thar Barkers or burdys.Even,.. Theodores school marm Mrs tackets husbandsElsies mith ?Happy new year !!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

RMHDo you remeber a film called "The Path To 9/11? Seems that the Clintons were pretty negligent. Apparently, you want that type of thinking to return. Do you remember a convicted felon named Sandy Berger (AKA Burglar)? Do you want that crook running our secret operations? You also seem to have forgotten that before our troops went to Afganistan, all of the news media talked about the massive defeat, incurred by the Soviet Union, in that country, the estimated 30,000 KIA's, and that it would also happen to us. You also don't remember that, prior to the Iraq invasion, the news was taliking about needing "whole ships loaded with just body bags for the expected American casualties" Seems that those wars came off a bit different. Maybe GWB was just lucky. I honestly don't know.You also conveniently forgot that the stock market plummeted long before GWB took office. As I recall, the NASDAQ tanked somewhere in the Spring of 1999 and the NYSE in 2000. In that election, one candidate (GWB)talked repeatedly about this upcomming event. After the election, he doggedly went after tax cuts to cure that problem. Experts have said that, if he hadn't implemented economic change in this country, the world finacial markets would have gone into a tailspin post 9/11 and there could have been another depression. Those tend to lead to wars.We can return to the days where polls are taken dailly, and all decisions made in the Oval Office are based on those polls. Maybe, if we're good, they'll let us keep our guns!YooprJack

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from Bill wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I know the NRA is not perfect but they are out best hope for the future of our gun rights. I just recently made my 7 month old grandson a Life Member. That's my feelings about this. Thanks...Bill.

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from chuckb wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Dave: I paid for a Life Membership in the NRA in 1962 when I was a Marine 1st Lieutenant. Couldn't afford it then, but, in 45 years' hindsight, it was the best investment I ever made.I don't always agree with the current line, but the NRA has done more to breathe life into the 2d Amendment than anybody. Find fault with it, argue, criticize, do anything you want, but SUPPORT IT with your membership dollars.Anybody who decides to withhold financial support from the NRA in order to "send a message," whateven that message may be, is playing Russian roulette with his rights. That's the same kind of person who doesn't vote, to "send a message" to politicians--pretty dumb, most would agree.Life membership can now be yours for $25 every 3 months. Any hunter or non-hunting gun owner who doesn't belong to the NRA is nuts.Listen to our Canadian commenter, above!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Merry XMAS you all from Dallas Texas! If the Democrats sweep both the house, Senate and the presidency, you can bet that they will sneak something thru on a wekend when nobody is looking and not to count giving control of our armed forces over to the UN!

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from Dr. Russ Williams wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

David! Thank you for cutting through to what is -- for me and for those with whom I work in defense of Second Amendment guarantees -- the nub of the question: Shall vague appeals to "nice" words stand in place of constitutional definitions? We say "No," for we well comprehend the slippery language of certain men and women who would confound the public mind instead of working to inform it, prepare it for public participation...in the marketplace and it the political life of the nation. Well done, David!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND MAY THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND GIVING LAST THROUGHOUT THE YEAR!!!!!Clay you and I got off on the wrong foot but after bloodying each others noses I consider you my best friend here. Your knowledge and expertise on the capabilities of specific arms in the right hands is unsurpassed.RMH you will always vote as did your father and I mine. At least practical experience has led us both to the Holy Grail of firearms: Remington 700 30-06. None finer as we both know.Yohan you are a worthy opponent, and I was almost saddened by your congratulations on my last post. You're still a capitalist pig dressed in socialist garb but you certainly make my life interesting and more importantly make me think...Strehlow you may be the most intellectual man on this blog. You seem to be able to make sense of all the sturm und drang going on and present it in a nice neat concise package without offending anyone.Yooper I feel like I'm related to you. All my relatives on my father's side live in the Great Lake State on a 500 acre farm and every one of your posts could have come from one of them.Black Rifle Addict I am about to join your ranks. Have already talked the wife into an R-15 in .223 so the battle is won. Before you go off this gun is Bushmaster parts assembled by Remington and accepts their 30 round mags. My children are happier about it than I and I intend to make this weapon wear many hats... defender of our freedoms, toy for the range, and yes it will be hunted with.Sarge, I probably live less than an hour from you so when those Muskellunge start biting I want an invite. Are you in the Mammoth Cave area or farther west?Shaky, WA. mountainhunter, Ishawooa, Blue Ox, Alamo, semp, Chev Jim, Ralph the Rifleman, alabamahunter, GREG, Gman, Ricardo, WES, Silver Arrow, Zermoid, Bubba, Chad Love and even Tommy have all given me much to think about and as different as we all are, we are the same... GUN NUTSThank you for your brilliance and for giving us a place to gather even though to you it is work... we love you David Petzal. Merry Christmas!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Lets all hope/pray that of the bunch running for Prs in 08 is teh 2 Clintons. Believe if you willcheck the DOW while Clinton in office, most who invested in Stocks, housing, realstate di ok, atmleast I did. Then along comes smart know it all BUSHIES and his advisiors and down teh tube it goes. Most will nevr come back. A for gun Control, NRA try to do as the relegious right in 2004, that is to scare the people to their way of thinking. Bush scared the ilder voters that H (BUSh) only guy wirh renough marbles to keep the fighting over seas, Best I recall it was Bush who startd this mess, Graned we needed to atach, but we atackd wrong Muslims.Also, we invaded Bagdad with no exit plan and yet don;t have one.As for Hillary and her healh plan in 2001, bet most older folks had listened to her. Now look what we over 65's got, mostly nothing, but making the Insurance Co;s richerAARp and Bush fooled us aain, and NRA trying same game. It will not work this time. People finally got smart. As for teh GOP, if that silly x Mayor of BY gets to be pres. Hell will ffreeze for sure.

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from Del in Kansas wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Well I'll be dipped in sh_t and rolled in crackercumbs. There are two kinds of gun owners. Some of us support the NRA with dues and donations. Some enjoy the benefits without paying anything for them. Which one are you? You can still get LIFE membership for the price of one good rifle. You can even pay a few bucks a month until its paid off. You can get Annusl membership for the price of a few packs of smokes. So don't give me that crap about you can't afford to be a member. I signed up for Life membership when the Clintons got elected the first time. It was money well spent. If you can't send a few bucks everytime they ask, throw the solicitation in the trash.'nuff said.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Scuseme: That should readMERRY CHRISTMAS!

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Merry Chrismas Everyone!I hope your stockings are filled with gunbooks, shooting nicknacks, maybe a new scope and whatever can be transported in a sleigh.YooperJack

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

YooperYou appear from the sound of it a man of introspection and intellegenceWho is also tired of the rethoric and wants something other than lip service,..Assuminmg you vote ( many don't)which in a free country simply causes me the boiling hives,..Can only offer this,. Voteif nothing else ,. VOTE ,.Have seen it all my life ,.peopel think my vote won't count ,.can't recall the statistics ,.but if those that did not vote did vote.We wouldnt be in this situation in the 1st place.What can you do aside from voting ?Get someone else to vote,.. we have all had enough of theis crap ,.. ANDThe single round, we have to fire other than activisim is our vote .Now to the pursuit of bunny wabbits.Really,.. am going rabbit hunting now.Happy Holdays,..Oh,.. who you vote for is your own business,..But a guy lie you,.. who has I'm certian,.. essentially had enogh will vote for the right candidate.

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from bullmoose of Ky wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I used to agree with Heavey, thinking compromise was "reasonable" and get tired of the constant call for $$$$$, but I have tired of such because there is no such thing when it comes to our opponents.From the land of Henry Clay there will be no further weakness on my part,fight fire with fire, and it takes $$$.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Well this blog was one of the best ever! We've managed to slur Jews, Mormons and I believe Baptists in the same thread. It proves my point that if you can go far enough to find differences in people you will eventually divide them no matter how small those original discrepancies were. How could the Founding Fathers know this 220 years ago and few of us today realize this.There is one,and only one, candidate running ads in Michigan. His ads stress that this state is in a recession while the rest of this nation appears to be doing OK. He hasn't told me anything that I or any other resident doesn't know, but where are the rest of the candidates? This one happens to be a Mormon. Maybe He'll outline a plan for economic recovery for this region. Should I vote against him because of his religon?YooperJack

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

"Is that a cross floating across the background over Mike Huckabee’s right shoulder in his Christmas-themed Iowa campaign commercial? The Huckabee campaign says no, it’s just the reflection from a window. Ron Paul, on the other hand, quotes Sinclair Lewis that “when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross.”"--Courtesy Wittenberg Door

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Dave in St Pete,.Yup it was da Yohan ,..My appologies,..I miss interpreted your post ,..And your right on another count ,.. fire arms do be, the sunject matter here, along with other related jewels of info.Still we both ( all ) know very well, that sometimes politics and reeeeligeon gonna bleed in too it.I will must or abandone my role as a man, defend in a very vigerous way against any one trying to harm me or mine.Dont care if they are white ,.. black or, brown,. christain or Muslim.Since I dont have acess to atomic bomb war heads the defence if it comes,.. will likley be with a gun.And here is another one...I have been watching lately ,.and I have not heard on the news That Father Taylor ,.. the Right Reverend Johnson or Rabbi Ruskin ,..inted to kill me and every one of my living relatives.Not like were talkin about panty hose,..power tools and or the orgin, molecular make up,..or correct use and application of wd40. YUK YUKMy problem is the the flag draped coffins I see on news ..The waste,and "the mutts" that went at it they way they did.Which means now,.. you me and every other individule and all the relatives, AND thir children are left with the bill. Finatially ,..emotionally ,.moraly ,. every flipping way you can think of.Yes sir ,.its gonna be up to those who went and those who hope they get back to pick uo the check.Words will simply not convey how monumentally that Pi$$es me off.Plus I spent the day yesterday watchin a white out ( it was snowing sideways) covering the ice that came the night before.I am on vacation supposedly but weather kept me inside,. other than to schlep more wood fo da fire place.Meby ta day get a after a couple bunnysHappy Holidays

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from Gman wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Actually, Yooper,You more or less make my point...because of the various sects represented by the various colonies, they were sure to exclude any established religion. And let's not forget that Jefferson completely discounted the accounts of divinity of Jesus to the extent he wrote his own version of the Bible.But the guy up above said we were founded under God as a religious state, which is flat out wrong; we were founded to allow any and all to worship the God of their choice, or not, without official coercion. Easier said than done, and open to as much interpretation as 2A.And, as one who has Catholic, Methodist, and Jewish ancestors,I have heard stories from them about the "bad old days" when you were up a creek unless you were mainstream Protestant.

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from Black Rifle Addict wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Hey boys;Our good old USA may have faults but it's still the best da*n place to live on this Earth!United we stand, lets focus on that and pay our NRA dues!Merry Christmas to all, too!

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from GREG wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Wow man you are passionate, Aint trying to pick a fight. Dude you are gettin a little carried away? If it goes as far as what you are talkin about I will be your brother in arms! Maybe Im naive but I think we have a ways to go before it comes to that. I hope!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Whoever is elected Pres in 2008 will not have time to bother us gun ownes. He/She will be too busy cleaning up Bushie Boy's mess they will forget NRA and my 30-06. But NRA is playing on our stupidity, scare us gun owners into sending them more $$$$. No thanks, they did the same thing as AARP did to us, sold us out.If you really interested in protecting your rights, get Carry Permit and help the local law enforcement with their search for crooks. Most Cities/Counties so strapped for operating funds, that the few officers they do have are streachd so thin, they cannot keep LAW and Order. We got rid of Heston, now lete get rid of Wayne. We;ve kept him living in high class long enough, nesarly l billion a year????? now that is stupid spending.CAll your local law enforcement, ask how you can help protect our gun ownership and his hard work. May be suprised at what he tells you, it did me. i got that Cary Permit, now my 38 Kel-tec goes with me everwhere or my 44-40 depending what part of town i;m needed. If push comes to shove. Bury your guns. Plastic pipes with venelation works great. Better yet, built a fire proff safe between the floor joist, cover the area with carpet or scatter rugs Any vehice I drive has l or more handguns inside near me. plus the Kel-tec in my pocket. One of my/maybe stolen guns, worth more than a quality Cannon Safe fastened to thr floor proper . Another safe place is the under the matt in you vehicle trunk< > Remind me again, who trained the l7 or so Muslims who few thoe planes into the tall bildings, Bush or Chaney? maybe both. O for the day they history. Better get serious on the Nov. 2008 ballot . Could be electing a Muslim for Pres.Heaven forbid worse yet, a Morman.

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Gman:I beg to differ. Religon was a basis for the foundation of the British Colonies here more than 200 years prior to the Declaration of Independence. Catholics lived in Maryland, Quakers in Pennsylvania, etc. When the Founding Fathers began the rebellion, there was no thought of an independent nation, only fair treatment from the mother country. As the rebellion evolved into revolution, they began to think about forming a nation totally free from state religons. They knew that a confederation of states, all with their own religon could never last. Hence, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.YooperJack

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Cooper, what in the Hell you talking about, doubt you even know that bunch of Hog-wash.

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from Gman wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Bubba Joe, The US was not founded under God as a religious state. That would be Eye-ran or Afghanistan under the Taliban. The US was founded by men who were steeped in the Enlightenment.You sound very sad the US of A is what it is today. You should have some more wine. Helps me when I think about how GWB got where he is.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

And if that was you Yohan,You took what I thought was a humorous poke at 'conservative' and I took what I thought was a fairly humorous poke back.Sorry if I misread your sense of humor (or lack thereof).

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

To whom ever posted this"Dave in St Pete,..And if I recall in previous posts you were one of the glazed eyed right supporting the Bush Rumsfeld genious pool,.."I do believe you are quite incorrect. I post here about firearms.Have a nice day! :)

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from GREG wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

To posted by: Politicians shouldnt run wars. Warriors should run wars. If this were so alot of our sons wouldnt be coming home in body bags. I also believe there are things that happen in wars that the general public doesnt need to know. Rough up ten fanatics to save one soldiers life ,I have no problem. These people will and have killed our children. they want to go to Allah, send them!!

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Dave in St Pete,..And if I recall in previous posts you were one of the glazed eyed right supporting the Bush Rumsfeld genious pool,..IE: Lets saddle up and go kick some Iraqi a$$ boys.With UNDER WHELMING forces,.. INSUFICIANT supplies and LACK of ordinace.Touch off a civil war while standing on a Carrier deck proclaming mission accomplished.Manwhile back at he ranch reports come all day every day our people getting there a$$es kicked because the polititians were in charge of a war.Yall seem to me be riden one horse one day and a differnt one the next,..YUP truth is Mr Dave it dont seem you know the differece neither anyhow..But Jeee whiz mebe that thar is wut Buba Joe means by that err aahh,.. in cree mental sorta stuffBut hell Merry christmass anywayIncramentalism is just tag word for appathy by some ( esspecially thse who dont as muih as vote) and a sense of intitlelment by others ,. latley the right.Who are sucking the populose dryby convincing the Chickens its a real wounderful idea to vote for Colonel Sanders.Doin a pretty good job too from what Im hearin YUK YUK

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I just read in another magazine about the new Model 70 Winchester. The gunwriter actually went elk hunting with a Model 70 he didn't sight in! His first two shots missed the elk, and a third one broke the animal's front leg. Then he closed on the crippled elk and shot it once or twice more. It seems the rifle was sighted in by the Winchester people at 100 yards, but the elk was at 200. Is this sloppy and cruel, or what? What a great debut for the new Model 70--some guy who didn't even sight in the rifle inflicts needless pain and suffering on a magnificent animal! Whoever set up this hunt for Winchester needs his or her tail kicked. And while the gun writer was honest, he surely had no business hunting with a rifle he didn't sight in. Betcha Dave P. wouldn't do something like that! I've really come to like that guy!

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from Bubba joe wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

There is a fundamental disconnect between politics at the national level and people who support Ron Paul, or people who profess to be conservative and say that they won't vote for the GOP candidate who is not perfect.It's called incrementalism, and I really wish people would take the time to find out what the word means. Do you think we reached this level of taxation overnight? Do you think we reached the point overnight, where a valid national candidate for President can seriously discuss things like nationalized health care? Do you think we allowed our local, state and federal governments to completely discount the second amendment overnight? Do you think we allowed our local, state, and federal governments to become amoral and completely ignore the fact that this nation was founded under God, as a religious state?No.All of the problems with our country have been instituted incrementally, over a long period of time. All the things that you think should occur to fix what you think is wrong with this country will not happen overnight any more than the problems we face happened overnight. And any fanciful ideas you might have about fomenting a step change in America by leveraging the Clintons into power again are just that- fanciful nonsense. It ain't going to happen.incrementalism in·cre·men·tal·ism n. Social or political gradualism.

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Posted by Yohan "I find it intetrstng ( and heartening) the concervative or thos claiming to be,. will use the collectivist methoed when faced with a powerful opponent."All I can say is the Sheriff didn't ride out after the bad guys alone, he took a posse. :)That's not collectivism that's "victory through superior fire power". ;)

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from PB wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I agree with the NRA's no-compromise stance. You don't see newspapers compromising with the gov't on their freedom of the press, do ya? I don't even like the way gun owners have to pay for their right (...even though it's a right we're born with...) through permits, licenses, etc. (That's way too much compromise already!) At least the NRA is trying to help us gun owners more than the dang politicians are. I know some people that have quit supporting the NRA just because they got sick of receiving dunning letters every few weeks for another dollar (or twenty...) If the NRA would just realize that and lay off the solicitation letters, for members, by limiting them to 1 or 2 per year they'd end up with more support in the long run.

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Well Ralph your post of today10 AM is finally something I can not disagrre with you on,..Your damn right money is power ,.. as much as I and evry one here wish is wasnt.But collective power ( which is a socialistic function most times associatd with liberals) is the real power of the people. IE :alone we can't get it done,. But if we are a coheasive group large enough who will let go of minor amounts of money en mass we are as you know, and have stated one butt kicking group.Similar toRealors,.largest lobby there is.Contrary to poular beliefe they are not all well to do ,.. truth be know most are a second (trailing) income. But they learnd that through numbers there is strength and protection.Funny tho,.. as I am really what would be called a libertairian but taged as a Dem.I find it intetrstng ( and heartening) the concervative or thos claiming to be,. will use the collectivist methoed when faced with a powerful opponent.Like the anti gun people.Vey good Ralph ,.actually should say oustanding ,.. you have in a very good mannor made one of my ongoing points.I also think the paries are blurring badly now and, that as sound minded people.We should be looking at whatis best not only for hunters and gun owners.But the country as a whole. Rather than continue to force a party or partisan view,..Which is similar to pinching the foot to fit the shoe rather than getting a shoe to fit the foot.Its all changin fella's and if we done see it acknowledge it and react,. we will be shaff in the wind.

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from semp wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Is der a Ma Duece on da roof of those Beeemrs? No ... maybe Maybe Feldman was choppering over DNC Hq? :D

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Right on Rev. DR RALPH!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Maybe not everyone agrees with everything the National Rifle Association does. Certainly the CEO's CFO's COO's and all those who make large six and seven figure salaries are scorned by the common man. This is a truism in every business or walk of life but these people are a necessary evil. They portray power... lest any of us forget, money is ultimate power until all hell breaks loose and the guns really do come out of the cabinet. No one wants that and so we must play the game and send in our donations and hope that we have the right men in charge of our organization with our best interests at heart. I have no quarrel with Wayne LaPierre the CEO. He has done a good job of walking the thin line of acceptability within established political guidelines and yet voicing the opinions of a bunch of ranting and raving gun nuts... I especially liked it when he called out Clinton for basically being soft on crime and allowing too many murders so he could get tough on guns. That and calling the Feds "jackbooted thugs" during Ruby Ridge which caused Bush to quit the NRA. It is a fine line indeed.Another point I want to make is the most important thing you can do is send in those preprinted postcards to your Senators and Congressmen. You know, the ones that come in your American Rifleman, American Hunter and America's First Freedom magazines? Power in numbers folks, and when the mailman drops a bushel basket of identical postcards on a politicians desk calling for him to vote a certain way it carries a lot of weight. Makes them realize there is life outside of the beltway.

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from Bubba joe wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

First of all, to Bubba Joe, it wasn't an AR-15 that the president held up, it was a custom built flintlock. Second I have been a member of the NRA since 1990 and I Firmly believe in his quote "from my cold dead hands". If only every gun owner in the USA was an NRA member maybe the antis wouldn't try so hard. Long live the NRA.SUCK ME OFF YOU OLD QUEEN!

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from Gman wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Them UN black helicopters ain't no myth. I see 'em bein' built and tested.Anytime y'all get curious about 'em, just drive down Connecticut Highway 110 from Shelton to Stratford and park in the ice rink parking lot. You ain't gotta wait more 'n' about 5 minutes and one of them big black suckers takes right off from the Sikorsky plant next door.Sikorsky; that's a Russian name. I don't think I gotta say much more 'n' that.Y'all still a bunch of scaredy cats.

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from retired waycar rider wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I've been a life member of the NRA for over 40 yrs, while I don't send money every time they want it, I still support them a couple of times a yr. I joined the NRA for the same reason I volunteered for the military, because I could, remember we live in a country where being a volunteer is still a right, not an order.

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from Gary wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Anyone who believes that the NRA is immune to corruption please point out any other organization of a similar size that has not become corrupt.To me the NRA and television evangelists are of the same ilk, they both survive by spouting hyperbole and then politely asking for a sizeable monetary donation to keep up the good fight.I witnessed this first hand a few years back. I was dating a girl who came from a family of modest means, and everytime the NRA would send out one of their--the agents in black suits letters--they would scrape up every penny they could and send it off to them. Now a couple of dollars is one thing, but they were sending sizeable sums of money that they could ill afford to send.

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from Jason wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I would join for life if I had the money. I wouldn't care if they did something extremely stupid as long as they keep doing their job. We have to stick together because the enemy is sticking together and they have a lot more money and power (worldwide) than we do.

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from Ricardo Rodríguez wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Good for you and your NRA. Keep up with the good work and hope you never have to go thru the pains we have to here in Mexico to excercise our gun rights.The only thing I don´t buy is the direct relationship between the left and gun control. I know some true marxist-leninists who are as gun nuts as they come, and some hard core far righters who could not care less about gun rights.I wish you all have a Merry Christmass and Happy New Year and good hunting/shooting.

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from jbumbaugh wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

First of all, to Bubba Joe, it wasn't an AR-15 that the president held up, it was a custom built flintlock. Second I have been a member of the NRA since 1990 and I Firmly believe in his quote "from my cold dead hands". If only every gun owner in the USA was an NRA member maybe the antis wouldn't try so hard. Long live the NRA.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I do like the Governor of New Mexico. Of what little I do know, he is the only one on the Democratic ticket I would vote for on that side and not all Democrats are bad. Their just misguided!Lets elect Neal Boortz for President!Posted by: Clay Cooper | December 22, 2007 at 11:54 PM

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

WARNING! If you are intellectually challenged, do not read the following. Food for thought follows for the intellectuals that can read and understand the following to come to their own thought and conclusion to realize what today’s Judas Goat is really is and how it affects others.I set back and see how the left can use those including minorities and to lead their own people beholding to some ideology that will lead to economic suppression and/or eradication. The UN in itself is using countries and individuals as Judas Goats. Follow them; follow them because they say it’s ok because they know they say and they say they know it’s best for you! But what they do know is at the end of the day, they will be safe and sound, well cared of and you may have died following this Judas Goat!Think about it and how people of yesterday and today are being exploited for someone’s own personal gain.I see the Judas Goat as The Democratic party!Judas goatFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaA Judas goat is a trained goat used at a slaughterhouse and in general animal herding. The Judas goat is trained to associate with sheep or cattle, leading them to a specific destination. In stockyards, a Judas goat will lead sheep to slaughter, while its own life is spared. Judas goats are also used to lead other animals to specific pens and on to trucks. The term is a reference to the biblical traitor Judas Iscariot.The phrase has also been used to describe a goat that is used to find feral goats that are targeted for eradication. The Judas goat is outfitted with a transmitter, painted in red and then released. The goat then finds the remaining herds of feral goats, allowing hunters to exterminate them.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The NRA only wants your Money for the wheels who run NRA. You best take care of your own firearms and for- get NRA.Save that 35.00 and give to a worthy cause.

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from Zermoid wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

In my opinion the NRA to also guilty of selling us out, they should work for a flat out repeal of all "Gun Control" laws as unconstitutional, what part of "Shall Not Be Infringed" do they not understand? Not being allowed to freely buy and sell your guns is an infringement, having to have a permit to carry them is an infringement, not being allowed to own guns over 50 cal is an infringement, not being able to buy grenades, RPG's and Artillery if you so desire is an infringement, after all it also says "Arms" not small bore rifles and handguns.That said I do support the NRA with yearly dues, not because I agree with their views but because they are the best we've got to stand up for us, I don't believe they go far enough but something is better than nothing, sad as that is.

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from frankintank wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I've been an NRA lifer since 1988. I was an angry young Californian back then & wanted to be aligned with those not easily cowed by media maudlinism. At that time, California was unquestionably ground-zero for the gun ban movement. Back then, I would NEVER have dreamed that a tidal wave of pro-CCW laws, initiated by the NRA, would sweep the nation in a bold first step toward reclaiming the right of self defense. There were many times when I thought that maybe we were too strident or idealogically rigid. Even now, I wonder sometimes if we don't overplay it just a bit. That's why I pay NRA to fight for my rights. They don't have the same doubts and it comes through loud & clear in how effective they've been. In my ongoing quest to be more of a glass-half-full kind of guy, I would say simply to the NRA bashers in our own ranks: "yeah, they sure ain't perfect; with whom do you propose we replace them"?

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Well I've been looking and looking and have finally found one... www.xdpistols.com has the Remington R-15 for $951-. The R-15 is now on Big Green's web site and the price there is $999-. Plus a whole lot of other blogs are talking about this gun and many people are claiming that it actually is Bushmaster manufactured parts assembled by Remington since Cerebus now owns both companies...and so reliability and accuracy will not be a problem. Plus the Rem site says any AR15 magazine will work in this gun so you will not be limited to the universally legal 5 rounder. Dr. Ralph may have himself a very merry CHRISTmas indeed. Ain't it good to be alive and living in Tennessee!

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I belong to the NRA, on a yearly basis. Every 2 or 3 years I used to let my membership lapse for awhile but I always came back. A few years ago I discovered GOA, absolutely the only true, hard line, gun organization going today. I became a life member. This latest anti-gun law passed by Washington and backed by the NRA has me spitting mad. Time will tell if veterans with PTSD will really be affected or not, but I wouldn't be a bit suprised if we aren't banned by batf. I am going to try and buy one after 1st of the year so I will keep all informed.

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from Bart Daddy wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Be warned........ your going to get mad reading the proposed law.This law was proposed by Commissioner William Beavers ex- Chicago alderman, ex- CPD cop and Larry Suffredin ex- lawyer. Its a carbon copy of the Chicago ban with extra's thrown in.http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=278437

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from Mike Reeder wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Ditto to everything David P. said.Compromising with gun control advocates is like compromising with a man-eating lion by agreeing that he will only devour you one limb at a time. Eventually he's full and your gone. I believe it's instructive that Feldman's guest editorial ran in the Washington Post. When I was at the RNC I used to say that any Republican who worried about what the Washington Post had to say about him had already outlived his usefulness in office. Certainly, the same thing applies to any former gun rights representative who suddenly finds the editorial pages of the Post a cozy place to display his opinions.

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from Scott wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Ahh. The sweet smell of toasting bread, the bacon frying in the skillet, the coffee. Morning guys. Merry Christmas and a blessed new year to all. I believe simple is better and I thank all of the powers that be that have allowed us to even have this conversation. I also believe that NRA is, as some have said, our best defense of liberty in America. I could ramble on the virtue of sticking together as a like-minded group but that is not simple. For as the Second Amendment goes, so goes our other liberties. Make no mistake, gentlemen.

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from Chev. Jim wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Dave P. is absolutely right. If we didn't have a "Cerberus" guarding the Second Amendment, we wouldn't have any guns right now. Dave's right--the hatred of guns and gun owners is, indeed, visceral with those people. They see a gun, they see an evil instrument. They see a gunowner, they see a maniac with an evil instrument in his or her hands. No, we cannot compromise with these people, because their ultimate goal is total confiscation, and for anything you give them, e.g., registration, you would get nothing back. There's no "quid pro quo" with these people--it's just give, give, give while they take, take, take. And, yes, you've got to have paid lobbyists--the best lobbyists you can afford, because those "gutless twerps" WILL sell us out if they're not afraid of being voted out of office. You've also got to contribute to the campaigns of the ones who are worth at least a tinker's damn. Yes, the NRA does need to revamp its fundraising--phony surveys insult our intelligence. But I've been a Life Member since 1984, and I can tell you that the money was well spent.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Well done, Dave.If not the NRA, then who will protect law-abiding gun owners' rights?Abraham Lincoln once said, "Never get into a pissing contest with a skunk." I agree, but today you have to have someone who can piss harder and nastier than the skunks in Washington. The NRA still gets my membership money every year.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Good example Gman. We shoulda tore that racist ass#$%^ a new one. We stand by idly and evil will triumph!

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from Gman wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I ain't afeared of no antis. Y'all are rough and tumble fellers, why y'all afeared? I break the law when I hafta, y'all can do the same and stop jabberin' about law-abidin' this and that and how we gotta fight, fight, fight. Who the heck are we, Notre Dame?The fact we had a post on here written by a feller said he didn't b'lieve nothin' written by a Jew in the Washington Post and nobody tore him a new one says a whole heck of a lot here, gentlemen.Happy Hanukkah.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The difference between the antigunners and you is, they don’t blink! He who blinks loses!!! It takes real Americans with the back bone of our forefathers to fight hard core criminal supporting antigunners!!! Several years ago I remember being represented by a lawyer in traffic court against a DOT Diesel Cop that said I was speeding 78mph uphill with a tractor governed at 62mph. I had to over ride my own lawyer for his stupidity for not remembering and the backbone to stand up to a Law Enforcement Officer that was knowingly telling lies!

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from R. Wayne Moorhead wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I agree. Most organization begn with a reasonable purpose. But, soon the "tree huggers, lifers,etc., enter. Their only purpose is to grow & maintain their employment. A few of the most notable are the UN, NRA, Mafia, Red Cross, United Way, etc. I became aware of this when I ran the United Way for the USAF, in conjunction with a local city.The city required participating organizations to submit a financial statement to become a part of the drive.When you see the expenses, you would never give.Officers/managers for "not for profit" organizations should work for minimum wage if they are serious about the sancity of the mission.The only one I donate to is the Salvation Army.

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from Russel Adams wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I am 62 years old. I finished up theNRA LIFE Join installment plan in Spring 1979; & I Lived in San AntonioTX in 1979 when the annual meeting was there! This was back when Neal Knox was NOT an OUTCAST!!! Harlon Carter was in NRA HQ ; The Members TOOK NTA Control BACK !!!!!Wayne LaPierre was still probably in short pants or in school somewhere.......Ever NOW no one Protects Gun owners & hunters better than NRA & their State affiliates.SOME BAD ADVICE was given in one of these earlier comments (sic) "buy a Gun for Someone" (sic) I just bought a Hunting Rifle (traditional Bolt Action).On the application (related to a 4473)I had to declare That I was eligible; Buying the firearm FOR MYSELF; & not making a 'Straw Man' Purchase...I DO NOT WANT THE FBI & BATF coming after me ! I do my best to get legal advice & obey the law! Your OWN State firearms Laws have to be obeyed; too!

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from borecrazy wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

It seems those who do not want to be NRA members for more than a year at a time have lost sight of our mission. To use the excuse that the NRA may take a path we don't support is the same as saying we are sitting back waiting for them to do our fighting for us. Being a member is an opportunity to voice your opinion as to what is important to you and as a member letting the organization know which direction you would like them to lead. Any organization whose leaders are the only ones doing the fighting is doomed to failure. So definately voice your opinion when you feel they are not using your membership wisely, but more importantly GET INVOLVED! Write your NRA and government representatives, respond to editorials, and do not miss an opportunity in your everyday life to set those straight who shoot their mouths off with incorrect and unsupported viewpoints on the gun and hunting issues. It is too early to take up arms against our adversaries, but it is important to let everyone know where you stand, the more that know the better!

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from JC Blauvelt wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Yeah!!!! Give 'em HELL Dave. The NRA may have a few pimples and warts, now the then, but you would not have the gun rights you have now if it was not for the NRA. The NRA is still THE biggest civil rights organization in the USA.

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from dickgun wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Dave,Although I was not in attendance, I, too, remember the NRA meeting of Harlan Carter and Neal Knox - and it's ongoing aftershocks following Neal's loss of power and attempts to regain it. He is definitely a hardliner. I knew Neal when he was with Dave Wolfe - Wolfe Publishing - before they moved Prescott, AZ.

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from dickgun wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

LaPierre repeated the 'jackbooted thug' - it first being used by John Dingell, D, MI. President Bush (#1) resigned his life membership. Nothing is forever.

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from Dr. Killdeer wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I am a life member of the NRA and will keep it that way. Also, a GOA supporter. I figure we'll go after the grabbers with both the soft touch and the hard line. Give them no rest.

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from Matthew T. wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The NRA knows full well the meaning of compromise and displayed that fact clearly with its support of HR 2640. I cancelled my membership yesterday and will put that $$ toward extending my GOA membership.

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from David wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Sorry I forgot to leave my Name the 1st timeIt is well worth my $35 a yearto be a NRA Member.Do I like all the mailings they send out asking for donations, no, but every now and then I'll may send another $25 because once again it is well worth it.Give a NRA Membership as a present, That wont even cost you $35 a year, and chances are they will renew it their membership and there is more money for the NRA Machine.If the NRA does not do it for us Who Will?

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

It is well worth my $35 a yearto be a NRA Member.Do I like all the mailings they send out asking for donations, no, but every now and then I'll may send another $25 because once again it is well worth it.Give a NRA Membership as a present, That wont even cost you $35 a year, and chances are they will renew it their membership and there is more money for the NRA Machine.If the NRA does not do it for us Who Will?

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from Bart Daddy wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

December 19, 2007 Special EditionFirearms Industry Statementon Passage of NICS LegislationThe National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), the trade association of the firearms industry, welcomes the passage of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Improvement Act of 2007 in the U.S. Senate earlier today. The legislation requires federal agencies to provide relevant data for use in the NICS system, a database that stores the names of individuals prohibited by federal law from purchasing or possessing firearms. Under the legislation states would either be rewarded for providing appropriate mental health records to NICS or penalized for refusing to turn over such data. The NICS Improvement Act does not expand the definition of who is a prohibited person. Anyone who can legally purchase a firearm today can still do so under this legislation.The legislation is supported by the firearms industry for several reasons, including that it will help to ensure that those individuals whom are deemed untrustworthy of possessing a firearm are unable to purchase firearms. The bill also will allow for individuals who are now unfairly prohibited from owning guns to appeal their prohibition and have their Second Amendment rights restored. This is currently not possible, and tens of thousands of Americans of sound mind, including many veterans, are permanently barred without due process from possessing firearms.NSSF has long supported an instant background check on firearms purchases -- support which predates that of any other group, including the nation's most radical gun ban organizations. NSSF will continue to monitor this legislation as it moves into conference and oppose any changes -- should they occur -- that would adversely affect law-abiding citizens.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

In my opinion, Dave is right.Washington is a bloodlust of egos, and so, yes; the ends do justify the means when it comes to OUR guns rights.The people who keep gun grabbers at bay are worth their weight in gold. So if you don't want to pay them, then change Washington politics.

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from PDKMF wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Listen to our Canadian neighbor. Their situation is deplorable with regards to guns and crime. They are a textbook study of what doesn't work.Also, whenever a politician or PAC bashes the NRA for it's 'unreasonable' position on the 2nd Amendment keep one thing in very clear focus:WE ARE THE NRA !!Merry Christmas to all!

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from Dr. Killdeer wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The NRA just compromised on S2640, known to the GOA as the Veterans Disarmament Act. Please redefine compromise.

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from Joe Halbach, Sr. wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I think Dave's point, while I agree with it, is a little off the main issue. If one knows Feldman's background, you'll know he is rabidly against our broad 2A protections. He is just very subtle about it. The NRA and LaPierre are side issues (however important to all of us, here).To see this, just note that Feldman is the darling of NPR, CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, etc. But especially of Brady President Paul Helmke and all the folks at Handgun Control Inc. and their successor organizations.They love Feldman.Here is a link to the full piece in the WaPo that Dave referred to:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/14/AR2007121401328_pf.htmlFeldman is very clever.

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from lastearlofshaw wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I get tired of N.R.A. fundraising solicitations, too, but I will NEVER believe anything written by a Jew in the WASHINGTON POST.

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from Bubba Joe wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

There is a time for all things, a time to preach and a time to pray, but those times have passed away. There is a time to fight, and that time has now come.Peter Muhlenberg, from a Lutheran sermon read at Woodstock, Virginia, January 1776

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from Sgt Bubba wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The NRA is the only show in town. The NRA has grown to the point that it is the most influencial group in America and hated by anti gun zealots as Schumer,Fienstein, Kennedy and comrad Hillary. Without the NRA and Wayne LaPierre and millions of other volunteers, all of America will become a "gun free zone".We have liberal politicans abusing the constitution and trying to strip us of our rights, the U.N. trying to strip us of our soverity and rights and you say Lapierre is arrogant? Give me a break!Thanks to guys like Ted Nugant, who risk their careers to protect your rights.Twenty years ago the NRA had 225 law enforcement officials come to D.C., to show that all law enforcement was not against guns, just some politically motivated chiefs looking to forwrd their careers. I was one of those officers. I gave an hour long interview to USA today and the only thing that got published was that the NRA PAID these cops to come to D.C. Don't expect thte truth from the media.We weren't paid, we did it for your rights and many of those officers were punished and had their careers cut short. Politically motivated chiefs and Mayors who abused their office, to impose their views on these officers.Hey, when the NRA calls, reach for your wallet and donate. Its the least you can do. Its the best investment in freedon that you can make. Sgt Bubba(life member)

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from Steve wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I would've cancelled my subsription to this email should Mr. Petzl have even suggested we should drop our NRA membership! They are a powerful and effective lobbying group-made so by the srtength and support of it's membership! All that needs to happen for them to fail in their mission is to have enough short-sighted, cheap, curmudgeons drop from the ranks of supporters!Steve

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from GREG wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Iam GOP all the way Bubba. Although I am a registered Independent I have never voted for one . What little rebel I have in me I guess. I agree with all those above that the NRA cannot fight unreasonableness(sp) with reason. It doesnt matter if we like Mr. LaPierre or not. It takes money that I cannot fathom to fight the fight. We have to get in their face because they are already in ours. Probably gonna dissapoint Dr. Ralph but I will not ever give up my 2A rights without a fight. Can you imagine going to an amory to fill out your forms to check out your rifle and three or four shells just to go hunting on a beautiful fall afternoon?

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I keep seeing folks whining because of the current presidency. Their main concern is that Bush did or did not do this or that. Wake up. Neither YOU nor Dubya are perfect! The GOP at least seems to understand man's frailties. The Dems still want to "help" us all by telling us what they want us to do. "If you will elect me, I'll see that you have excellent health care and 'I'll pay for it by repealing the current president's tax cuts'!" (''Hillary's words, not mine or Dubya's)Ergo: you get health care, but you're still paying out the wah-zoo for it.If you believe in 2A, pro-life, smaller government, less taxes, then you are basically GOP.Bubba

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from Richard Paradis wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I am a Life - Endowment member of the NRA and have been for decades. The only time I disagree with the NRA is when I don't know what I am talking about.Without the NRA this column would not have been written because firearms and hunting would not be an issue. There would be neither.

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from Visitor wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The actual fact is communists attack within! They make their enemy self implode!!The real enemy is with in!!!

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from Brandon wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

As far as I'm concerned there is no being reasonable when it comes to communists weaing politicians masks trying to take away our gun rights. I think we have already been steamrolled as it is. Instead of giving up any more rights we should be raising hell to get back the ones we've already lost!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Those like Clinton have an agenda that will put a UN soldier on every street corner and in every Mall in the US! Think about it? How did China get all those nuclear secrets and North Korea with all the nuclear fuel so easily??? Figured it out yet!What Government entity is responsible for your personal safety???? That question even Rush won’t take up on his show!!!! RUSH CLAY SAYS YOU ARE A WIMP!

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from Bubba Joe wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Done with the NRA-Now...if we could get another 2 million to do so...perhaps we could put together an effective organization out of the ashes.One where the president held up an AR-15 and shouted..”From my cold dead fingers”..One that looked into the camera and says…”You the government exist because of OUR sufferage..WE ALLOW YOU TO EXIST. Get OUT of the gun business..or cease to exist….

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from CLAY COOPER wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

SilverArrowAAAAAMMMEENNN BROTHER!

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

OkI was an annual member, for one year, quit; I hated all the stuff that was coming to me to support candidates whose only redeeming value was stated support of the 2A. Hated all the solicitations for money. Still not happy that they jumped into the New Jersey fray only in time to bask in the glow of a victory won by the New Jersey Sportsmens' Alliance and other concerned individuals mobilized.At this juncture, like all they say and do or not, I am rejoining as my holiday gift to myself. We do need the voice in Washington and NO they should not be reasonable, the left sure ain't!SA

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

The left, the antis are playing for keeps!What about you?This is no game and there is no compromise either. History speaks for itself!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

It's against Australia law to protect yourself against a armed knife/gun attacker robbing you and attacking even when the attacker has already cut or shot you!

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from ISHAWOOA wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Oppressed Canadian, Greg, and Clay as well as others bring forth extremely valid observations and offer important comments that each of us should consider long and hard. All shooters, collectors, etc. need to unify and remain so indefinately regardless of the organization of which we are members. When you consider not only our wonderful neighbors in Canada, my ancestors in England, their friends in Australia as well as almost every other nation on this planet, we are in a position to be envied. Let's not let that be changed by anyone for any reason. We can quibble over calibers and actions amongst ourselves but we must not be out of agreement on possession of our firearms. We are fortunate in Wyoming in that it is easy to contact our people in Washington. If you want to speak with the governor you phone Cheyenne and believe it or not he will take the call if he can. I wish I could grant that accessibility to each of you in your resident states. Do the best with what you have, we must help each other and never give up an inch.

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from Shaky wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Right on, Coop. As for missinformation, spread by the NRA, I have never caught them in a lie. We absolutely must have someone in Washington who can deal with the rabid gun "control"loby. And the only people who can do that is one who is just as rabid on our side.I don't have to like Mr.LaPierrein order to support the NRA,what I like is the freedom to own and posses firearms for my personal use, and the NRA is THE organization to fill this job. I will be an anual member as long as I live, or until policy changes.Mr.Sage Sam, please re-read the post by our neighbor to the north,and don't ever think "it can't happen in the USA", because it surely can.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Anyone who keeps Chuck Schumer well supplied with stomach acid is worth billions to me. Let’s face it folks, the left especially the Clintons would love for all of America to be disarmed including yes let’s not forget the United Nations!!! Show me a country disarmed and I’ll show you a country overrun by criminals. Hell, take a look at Australia crime rate !

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from GREG wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Thanks Doc. I can get a little excited at times. Glad to have wiser Gentlemen such as yourself to give me a metaphorical slap in the mouth to check me. MERRY CHRISTMAS

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

GREG, you and I are on the same page for a change...

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from GREG wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

We better listen to the fella from Canada.

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from rob wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

As usual, DP is right on the money. You may love, loathe or tolerate the NRA, but they are about the only thing that keeps firearms in our hands.Sagebrush, if you don't think that someone will come and take your guns, you may want to revisit history. After all, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao, et all were only being reasonable.

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from Phillip wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Interesting conversation.I refused to join the NRA for many years, primarily because I disagreed with the No Compromise position and the recruitment tactics that relied so heavily on fear and misinformation.My mind changed after moving to CA several years ago and seeing, first hand, the attacks on our gun rights both blatant and subtle. After a lot of thought and consideration, I joined for life.I appreciate the fact that the NRA is there fighting, right or wrong, but loudly and brashly on the national level. Someone needs to be the hounds of hell up there, because the opposition is equally frenzied. The result is some sort of balance, constantly at risk but at least it's still teetering and hasn't fallen.I'm not happy with everything they've done, but I'd be even less happy if they didn't do anything.BUT... hunters need to organize our own voices and step up to defend ourselves. The NRA is neither equipped nor focused to address our unique challenges. We need the scalpel of a surgeon... the NRA is a D-9 dozer.

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from Scrap5000 wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

I WISH I COULD POST A .GIF OF AN AUDIENCE CLAPPING, MR. PETZAL!THAT DESERVED A PULITZER PRIZE!!!!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

Sage SamI guess if there is no habitat left to hunt, you won't need your guns?I know there will come a day when I am no longer physically able to hunt. I will want my guns EVEN MORE THEN to defend myself.Habitat conservation is a close second in priority to me personally.Merry Christmas, All!

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from oppressed canadian wrote 6 years 16 weeks ago

to all those who think the NRA takes too hard a line look at us Canadians. the anti-gunners kept pushing how a gun registry and banning certain guns would fight crime but after wasting billions and confiscating millions of guns our crime is out of control and still they want more control. you need to fight them hard and not give an inch because you never get it back. I hate leaving the US everytime I visit family there because I have to come back to a country that denies me several rights you people still enjoy.

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from Dave Petzal wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

To Alamo: John Wootters was a director of the NRA for at least a couple of terms, as far as I recollect.What you are refering to is the Cincinnati Rebellion, where Harlon Carter, Neal Knox, and the general membership, threw out a "management team" that was not really dedicated to defending Article II. Carter was made Executive Vice President, Knox was made head of the ILA, and thereafter the NRA took a very hard line indeed. I was present at that General Members' Meeting, and as I recall, it ran from 7:30 in the evening to 3 in the morning.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Sage Sam I have never met anyone I agreed with 100% of the time. The NRA is on our side and if you want to keep your second amendment rights they are the best organization to donate to. I just wish they didn't send me a letter every month begging for more! The postage alone must run in the millions if this is the treatment we all get... You can't send a lobbyist to talk to Senators and Congressmen in a pick up truck. They all need BMW's and Mercedes just to do business in Washington. That and plenty of money so keep writing those checks.

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from Andrew wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

When in Rome........

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from alabamahunter wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Sage Sam, "the end justifies the mean" is called real politics. I do agree with you though. I don't like any lobbyist, I feel that they are part of the problem with our country now. Politicians have quit doing what they thnk is the right thing to do and now just try to appease the special interest groups. I had the pleasure of sitting next to a lobbyist at an Auburn football game this year. He was a lobbyist for some huge coorporation and was one of the dullest people I have ever met.

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from Mark-1 wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

I’m a life NRA member. NRA is a necessary pain. Reason being NRA policy often is not in the best interest of NYS shooters and sportsmen. Sometimes it is direct conflict, or the NRA is simply non-supportive until it’s aware of local successand jumps on the band wagon.Politics suck, but I have to agree 90% of the time NRA is very articulate for most my shooting and gun interests.

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from Mike Strehlow wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

If anything, Petzal understates the feelings gun grabbers have for firearms in private hands. Ever notice how we always have to compromise in the gun grabbers' direction? If they are reasonable, why don't they compromise in our direction; ease carry laws, etc.?If the NRA adopted a policy of compromise, in ten years we would be debating whether a hunter should be issued three rounds or five when checking his hunting rifle out of the state run armory. Compromising with them is like compromising on a hanging; we think a man should go free, they think he should be hanged from sunup until sundown. So we compromise and hang him until noon.Go NRA.

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from Sage Sam wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

I oulled my membership from the NRA two years back when they came out spitting venom (complete lies) in response to a Wilderness Bill here in Colorado (Browns Canyon) that had been worked on by diverse parties for years. That combined with the Zumbo fiasco was the last straw.I disagree completely with Mr. Petzal. I don't want lobbyists making millions and I don't believe in a "the ends justify the means" tactics. I don't believe the hype that somehow the local sherrif (or BATFE for that matter) will show up at my door asking for my guns. I'm hoping that the upcoming Supreme Court ruling will finally put the gun rights argument to rest.I'm a helluva lot more concerned with shrinking habitat and constantly losing places to hunt. That is why I support organizations like Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership who are making sure that my kids and grandkids will get to enjoy the same things that I have.

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from KJ wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

"Reasonable" and "special-interest group" are mutually exclusive terms. The NRA isn't supposed to be reasonable - just effective. It is up to the electorate to be reasonable. I'm a life member, BTW.

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from jack wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

They (we) are protecting a truly monumental freedom enshrined in the 2A. Do we protect it with a hellish beast or a pussycat?We have everything to lose through compromise - the gun control crowd has everything to gain.The NRA stands athwart, yelling: "Stop!". For me, it's well worth $35 clams a year.

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from Don wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

I ended my affliation with the NRA (National Republican Association?) when I began receiving direct solicitations from the Bush re-election campaign. I have no desire to affiliate with the GOP and this disaster of a president. Too bad, because otherwise I could support their work.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

JimGood observation! I could care less how arrogant Mr. LaPierre is, or isn't. Bottom line is that the NRA has been instrumental in keeping the power mongers out of our gun cabinets, so far. I think all the front runners from both parties are anti-gun. Rudy and Hillary are both anti-gun. I'm voting for candidates that protect my gun rights. As long as I have my gun rights, I can defend the others.

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from Matt wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

You are now indebted to Heavey, Dave? Isn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse? And yes, anything that causes Herr Schumer's skin to crawl is, to quote Martha Stewart, a good thing.

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from jstreet wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

While I am an NRA member (and have been for years) I don't like LaPierre, never have, never will, I think he's an arrogant putz.Having said that, he is effective and fits well in a town full of arrogant putz(s).Jim.

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from CoRoMo wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Gun-control is not about guns... it's about CONTROL."The Second Amendment of our Bill of Rights is my concealed weapons permit, period!"Ted Nugent

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Everyone needs to draw their own line in how much of their money they’re willing to give to an organization that uses it to pad living large life-styles that revolve around expensive dinners, inner circles, and executive privileges.I reached that point about 15 years ago with both the NRA and Ducks Unlimited. Both organizations treat their rank-and-file membership the same way many unions do. And the may go the way of the Dodo bird like unions have.

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from PbHead wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Good point Dave. If anyone thinks the NRA leadership does not earn their money, be prepared to move to Washington and fight Hillary and crew for free.Give a gun for Christmas. Happy Holidays.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

It just dawned on me. A special interest group and reasonable in the same sentence. Damn Ox I just spit all over another keyboard!LOL Just a joke fellas

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from GREG wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

I sometimes have issues with any special interest I support. I do agree with WAMtnhunter that the NRA is the group that deserves our support the most.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

As a life member after many years of annual membership, I can say that overall I am satisfied with the intent and actions of the NRA. I have occasionally taken issue with some comments and negative exposure by the NRA, but overall, who has defended our rights to bear arms? I used to belong to the Sierra Club many years ago when they were a conservation minded group, not what they have become today.So if you have issues with the NRA, support someone else who defends our 2A rights. And oh by the way, let us all know who that might be.

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from GREG wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

I too am an annual member. Reason being some financial but mainly for the same reason as Alamo and others. A year in the life of any special interest group is an eternity and their focus can change drastically in that time. Wasnt it Mr. La Pierre that made the jack booted thug comment a few years ago? If memory serves that gave "us" a big black eye for some time. That put a lot of focus on the NRA and not the good kind.

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal-A poster above comments on annual vs. Life Membership.I am also an annual member, but not for financial reasons. I base that decision on a phiosophy I read back in the 70s. I believe it was John Wooters, commenting on the late 70's controversy when a group of board members attempted to essentially change the focus of the NRA to a more conservation / land use advocacy group with less emphasis on defending the 2A.As I recall this was for all intents and purposes, an attempted coup. I believe the "counter-insurgency" was lead by Harlon Carter (and others)at the annual meeting. The gist of Wooters article was he chose to remain an annual member because you never know what the future holds. He would not be tied to an organization that changed its focus.I don't know all of the details. Would you please comment?

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from Alamo wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Well said David.

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from Dan wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

I'm a member of the NRA with a yearly renewal. For a couple reasons I don't join for life or for more than a year at a time. The 1st being financial. I love how my membership isn't up until April, yet around October, and monthly after that I get a renewal notice. This seems a "fishy" practice to me, but hey I keep sending my check every March.The second reason I'm only a yearly member is I can distance myself from an organization that IMHO everynow and then does, or says something extremely stupid. So far though, nothing bad enough to make me quit the NRA. My favorite pet peeve are the yearly opinion polls they send out that are worded in such a way, you can only give the answer the NRA wants you to give. (not that this isn't done by lots of groups....politicians for one)I believe the NRA is a needed organization and believe they help protect our gun rights. I just wish they used better judgement in some of their actions.Just my 2 cents,Dan

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from YooperJack wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

I've heard that when discussing something controversial, first, attack the opponent's argument. Find flaws, untruths, etc. If that fails, attack the opponent. You can even stretch the story on him or her because personal traits are more subjective, while topics are generally based on facts.Yooper

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from Blue Ox wrote 6 years 17 weeks ago

Amen!!

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