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March 12, 2008

You Always Hurt the Gun You Love

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

In 1977, I was in a hunting camp in Montana where one of the attendees was a fellow who did nothing but shade-tree gunsmith the whole time he was there. Never hunted; just diddled with the rifle of anyone who wanted his rifle diddled with. Someone gave him a rifle to have the barrel free-floated and he hogged out enough wood to start a good-sized fire. To many people, guns are like cars before cars were operated by 18 computers; the urge to tinker is irresistible.

Sometimes it works. A crummy trigger can't be abided. A barrel that bears on one side of the channel has to be re-bedded. A thin, hard recoil pad should be replaced with something that does not give you hematomas. But aside from that, most tinkering is futile and a waste of money.

Competitive shotgunners seem to tinker more than anyone else. Trap guns with adjustable combs and recoil pads are particularly susceptible. Dropped a bird at handicap? Why, just to crank that comb up a tad and all will be well. I've been to sporting clays shoots where you couldn't hear for the racket created by electric choke-tube wrenches. Back in the 70s there was a very famous trapshooter who was known to wedge his shotgun barrel under the bumper of his care and bend the barrel just a tad to make it shoot a smidgen higher.

Hey, it's a hobby and it's mostly for fun, so why not meddle? Just don't think it's going to help.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 17 weeks ago

Thomas, Bubba and other Ruger MkIIowners.Found this takedown site, guy makes it look easier than I thought even though he uses a MkIIIhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UVvIMAk64LM

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Old GS,If you mix 1/3 hydrogen Peroxide with 1/3 denatured alcohol and 1/3 Murphy oil soap it makes a great and cheap solvent. Wet a patch with this stuff and BP fouling melts like a snowflake on a hot stove. No harm to gun finish either. I use it on my in-lines and custom flintlock longrifle. Tried lots of store bought stuff. Nothing worked as good as this. I got the recipe from a article in Muzzleloader magazine years ago. Just make sure you store it in a dark bottle so the peroxide doesn't separate.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Jim in M0: I was in a gun shop yesterday and they do make 2 different Birchwod Casey Gun scrubbers.One is for general purpose and one is MARKED FOR SYN stocked firerms. So you were l00% crrect.So spent another 7 bucks to be able to clean this MArlin XL7 and my CVA B.P gun. Thanks for the tip. This Blog is like a open book,will learn a lot if just read what you guys say. The Old Gun Slinger

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 2 weeks ago

I often wonder how I ever got so interested in firearms and hunting. i do so when I was l0 yrs old. No one else i my family hunted or evrn owned a gun that I;m aware of. If my Dad did i don;t know wher it went. I taught my Son to hunt and shoot at age l0. When he turned l2 I bought him his first gun, a 410. The the folowing fall, I bought him a 30-30. We had no deer here period, ao had to drive about 200 miles to hunt them. Since that hunt in the 60's he and I have hunted most days season was in when we started gettig deer here at home. this past fall was first time in 40+ yrs we both killed a deer the same day, and we both killed nice bucks within l5 minutes of each other. What a Thrill that was.Came home with 2 Bucks, and families made many pictures to go to many diffeerent magazines for publication of my story and photos of our kills.So wher I/we got this gun/hunting trait is beyond me, but glad we did, as we have spent many hours hunting together. Not many parents able or even care to do that now. In my area, I can xcount on my fingers the # of true hunters or gun nuts. Neve have enough fiearms, as they continue to come out with new ones each year.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 3 weeks ago

The only answer to teh above questions and answers is to: USE COMMON Sense when handling fiearms, weather hunting, pratacing, zeroing, just looking. Have you ever noticed at the quality gun shops you ask to see a rifle, the guy behind teh counter, will reach and get teh gun and if a bolt will always open the bolt and pull backward and dble check teh chamber. Most accidents that happen with firearms is plain stupid on the handlers part. A gun will kill or damage what-ever the bullet strkes. I have a farm that is posted and no access but one. For some un-godly reason a groupe from 50 miles away think it's theirs. A few shots over the tree tops changes their mind. Yesteday my wife was walking over some of this farm and was beside herself when she returned. She found 8 (yes eight) bucks that only the Antlers been sawed off. Not one once of meat taken.Earlier in teh season I found 4 deer in one pile, 3 bucks and only the back strap on one side of the doe taken. Deer were dumped into a cilvert at the road. This year I plan to take a different approach dealing with these guys. Wonder how many trips to buy 4 new ties will it take to get their attention or that they not welcome. I spend a lot of $$$ and time to plant food plots on this property, about 10 aces in grass, etc. and it's not for the general public to use.So if you hear of a guy in jail this fall for protecting his property you will understand who it is. When I hunt the Rockies, I pay a outfitter r a access fee to hunt, no difference here to me. Have a good day/nite and shoot-um-staight and often. The above is another reason why I carry a Weapon in my pants pocket all the time.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

John RI hunt open country most of the time, so there is usually adequate time to chamber a round after game is spotted. If I am somewhat stationary for a while, sort of like on stand, I will ease a round into the chamber with safety on. With proper muzzle control, I see no problem with slowly slipping through the timber with a round chambered.But on steep, rocky ground or in the dark hiking in, I prefer to keep that round out of the chamber. While in the Army, I never thought twice about being locked and loaded!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

So far no problems, as I only got one Syn stocked B/P gun. So cannot say it is ok or not. But used the Gun Scrubber many yrs on Walnut/Maple and no problem.I always wipe down with Rem oil when flush out the grim in the action. It cleans places you cannot get to with a brush/cloth, etc. Works great on a 742 Auto. HAve use it for so many yrs forgot how many. I like it better than Hopps, but again, to each his own. I recall for yrs we all used WD-40, then saw the build up on the gun, so stopped. It will gum up a action, so I stopped it. I also recall about 55 yrs ago using 3-in-l oil,after cleaning with Alcohol. Man, how times have changed. Not for the better in many cases. But when i startd hunting was with a l6 ga single shot shotgun. No deer around then, just small game. My first BIG GAME gun was a Winch 94(l952) in 30-30. Thats a long time, 56 yrs ago. You talking about someone who at that time thought I was a PH from Africa. Worked fine till I found a 740 Rem Auto, like a Idiot sold the 94. But bought a new 336 in 30-30 a few yrs back. Will be here when I;m gone, its a great Walk and stop woods gun even today with open sights. My Daughter 50 yrs old uses a l6 l/2" 336 today and kills her limit yearly. May get my wife one as she always goes hunting with me wherever I go to take care of my health problems. 99% of time, when she goes I kill a animal, as she's the best Bird dog ever seen, can spot game i never see. Ok. TAke care guys. Good Hunting. Shoot -um-straight and often. Burn some powder,as when need arises you can kill him.A extrs $100.00 in ammo here may save the day on a $5-7K dollar hunt out west.It sure ain't cheap to go to the Rockies now.

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Jim & Rocky Mtn:I never used Gunscrubber on synthetic stocked rifles due to the warnings and my assumption that it might damage the stocks. Now there is a new version which is labeled safe for synthetics. I bought a can but cannot report on its worth as when I removed the top the little push button was missing. I intend to exchange it at Walmart soon and give it a try. So you probably should not use the original on synthetics. I hope the newer version is as good as the first one insofar as ease of cleaning a really nasty gun.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Rocky Mtn Hunter,I like gun scrubber but I will never again use it around plastic, it'll eat it up! I'm wondering if it would do the same to synthetic stocks?

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I buy and trade a few guns, but learned long ago, if you don;t know what you are doing, better take to a expert. I use a lot of Birchwood Casey Gun scrubber and then Rem oil or Otters. I do clean, wipe etc. Now and then willsand and refinish a stock with Tru oil. But, when comes to take apart or adjust moving parts, I take to my gun-smith. He knows what the gun needs and fixes for me at a reasonable price. If you clean a gun with the Gun Scrubber, chances are, that will gt the crud out and moving parts will work fine, with a tad of oil.Have seen, bought many firearms that a shade tree gun-smith screwed up. If you don;t know what you doing, best leave it to a expert. If you got a plumbing problem, you don;t need a painter. Like my family Dr. if he don;t know what's my problem he sends me to a specalist, we gun owners need to do teh same.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

John RI'll second the motion!We all take calculated risks, the question is? How much danger do you want in it. Yes, I’m one of those that slip thru the woods with a round in the chamber and safety on. But when I come to a place that is iffy? The barrel is pointed in a safe direction, the bolt comes open and the round comes out! I was walking down an old cat trail on level ground and stepped in a very shallow mud hole about a 4 foot wide covered with leaves. Instantly I was on my face and the gun was instantly directed away in a safe direction. Needed a change of clothes and I cleaned my gun and by the way, the chamber was empty! Not a question of if? It’s a question of when! The reason I removed the round from the chamber was I was spending more time looking outward rather than downward.

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from John R wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I think generally that is good advice WA Mtnhunter. The question is what do you tell all those still hunters (not stand hunters), the ones that walk and stalk slowly and quietly through the woods. You know they are not walking around with an empty chamber. I'm with you on the pointing the muzzle at someone or myself for the matter.They can find someone else to hunt with.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

There is a darn good reason that most states require firearms to be chamber unloaded while being transported! See above posts!Many guides won't let clients chamber a round until ready to shoot.I won't walk around with a round in the chamber, particularly in the dark. Nor will I let anyone with me do the same. Point your muzzle at me once and that's the last hunt you'll be on with me, period. Made a few mad over that one.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

ATV's are indeed a handy thing to have in AK. I don't have one anymore for 2 reasons. I can drive my Tundra to my stands and there are too many barbed wire fences in my happy hunting gounds.Thanks Jim but it wasn't the scope it was the glasses that would fog even when I used anti-fog stuff. The DR gave me a free evaluation on my eyes. Said here is what we can do and it will cost $2,050. No more bi-focals.Are any of you guys starting to get TURKEY fever like me? Yesterday I saw a small flock of birds inside the city limits. One of my new favorite spots seems to have many Toms with multiple beards. So far the 2 birds I've shot there had 5 and 3 beards respectively. Longest was 11.5 in.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Over 30 yr ago I saw an accident at a small store near Altoona Fla. During deer season a family had been camping in Ocala National forrest and stopped at the store for sodas. The parents went in the store, heard a shot outside, and ran out to the car. Their 10 year old son (in back seat)had reached into the front to take a single shot 12 ga shotgun away from two small kids. When he pulled the barrel dragging the hammer across the seat it fired a load of 00 buckshot that blew about 50% of his head through the car roof. Five yr ago a man and his father- in-law were quail hunting near our family farm in Effingham KS. On a covey rise the man swung on a quail and fired. The whole load of sixes hit his father-in- law in the face killing him instantly.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

You know when you’re having a bad day is when you, forgot you leaned your brand new Beretta shotgun against the rear of the truck cab and while you drive off, the barrel falls between the cab and the bed bending the barrel! Might be good shooting around trees?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Bubba, I knew you did that! Just pointing out some of the most stupidity that I have witnessed myself! I had both a hoarse and an ATV until I retired. Got the scare on the right shin where one kicked me one day and nailed me good! Surprised it didn’t break a bone, pure black from top of my knee to the bottom of my foot and swollen big as the upper part of my leg. Speaking of ATV's that reminds me I got to change the oil in my Suzuki 500 King Quad!

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from Shaky wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

My big bore training in practical shooting was done by a sarcastic old, retired drill sarge, and at times, I would get so angry at him I'd simply walk off and let him mutter to himself. He called me some of the most insulting names you can imagine. He demanded that I reload my rifle while mounted, that I unload when hauling in a vehicle or on horseback, that I clean all firearms immediatly after returning home from a hunt even though I'd only fired a few shots, that I always weighed the powder when reloading ammo, never wipe the lense of my scope with my shirt tail, take some sort of rest when possible because I might cripple some ground squirrel or something,etc,etc,etc, til I would get sick of hearing him blather. Today, even though I know I won't need a second shot, because the game is already on the ground, I discover that I have reloaded and my sight is on the animal, and I'm ready to shoot again. I never dismount my rifle to cycle the bolt when shooting at game. It's as natural to me as breathing. As natural as holding the top round in the magazine down while closing my bolt on the EMPTY chamber and letting the firing pin down. I always have time to opperate the bolt after dismounting from a horse for a shot, or getting out of the vehicle. But I never have had time to haul a hunting partner to the hospital after I have caused injury to him by my carelessness. This is a free country, and you may do things the way you want, and never have an accident, but if you, or anyone else, hunts with me, you will follow my own safety rules.And yes I have lost a couple of hunting partners because of my demands and I say good riddance, I still haven't been shot by a partner. By the way, that old crab of a sarge died in 1984, and I still miss him, he was the best teacher I can immagine, and if I can accomplish half as much with my grand sons as he did with me, I will be satisfied that I have turned out a couple of riflemen to be proud of.Oh yes, it was 48yrs. ago that he began to heckle me, and evrything he taught me has been of great value to me. I've never come close to having a shooting accident.

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from John R wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Gad, sorry about the misspellings above. My clumsy fingers.

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from John R wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I usually hike into the woods. I don't have an ATV plus I enjoy the hike. I carry my rifle loaded, and slung on my shoulder military style. If I have to cross an obstacle, I will empty the chamber and lower the rifle over it and lay it on the ground (if dry) muzzle away from me. I then cross the obstacle myself, retrieve and reload my weapon.When I'm up in my treestand, the safety stays on until I'm ready to shoot. It's funny, that I've never spooked a deer clicking off my safety. I have had a few bucks I decided not to shoot and sat up in my treestand clicking the safety on and off as loud as I could. You know those bucksr acted like they didn't hear a thing. But scrape a foot on the tree or treestand and they are gone. It never ceases to amaze me was does and does not scare a deer.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

ClayI ain't perfect dude! It works for me. I have never accidentally discharged a firearm but once, but it had absolutely nothing to do with a mechanical safety! It was MY OWN STUPID FAULT!I learned, I always watch my muzzle. My daughter, the fed law enforcement guru, calls it "muzzle integrity"!Now, before you get all het up, I carry my rifle "empty" on my 4 wheeler. Once I'm safely ensconced in my blind with everything set up do I load and "safety" my rifle! It is then unloaded BEFORE exiting my blind! I don't have to "tie" my horse, just lock the left brake, cycle the bolt, and I'm ready.Bubba

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

When the stock on my 40 year old Rem 700 cracked I put the action in the replacement myself, thinking nothing of it. First time in the woods I cycled a round into the chamber and BANG! Worked fine in the house at 70 but when I took it out around freezing every time I cycled the bolt it would automatically fire... last gunsmithing I will ever do!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

BubbaNever had a accident in sixty year? Good for you! What about those other hunters that where carried their guns loaded on their ATV and in other transport vehicles trying to get the better edge on a faster shot Sir? Have you seen what a 22 Mag Ruger Revolver does to the top of a foot when struck by the but of the hunter’s rifle? I have and to top it off, we had to transport him to Benson Az. Can somebody explain why, when I was Hunting on horseback, I had the time to tie the hoarse up, pull the rifle out of the scabbard, cycle the bolt and shoot and still have time! GAME OVER! Have a blessed day!!It’s not a question of if?It’s a question of when!

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

ClayThe VERY first Hunter Safety course I ever attended, THAT is exactly what they taught as the "preferred" method. Rather than rely on a safety, you simply raised and lowered the bolt handle to be "shot" ready!I'm sorry, I rely on a mechanical safety and my own "human" intelligence to be "muzzle" aware at all times! Between the two, I've never had an accident in nearly sixty years!Bubba

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

ShakyWhen I remove the round any round from a bolt gun or unload it completely, I make a visual inspection of the chamber as I push the bolt forward and over the rounds that I’m holding down in the magazine making totally sure that no round in fed into the chamber. As the bolt stops due to coming in contact with the trigger mechanism, I take my middle right finger to pull the trigger to release the firing pin as I rotate the bolt closed and on some rifle the bolt handle will stop and you release the trigger and it goes the remainder of the way down closed on an empty chamber and two things result in doing this. First you just lowered the firing pin on a empty chamber that you visually and physically and knowingly know it is void of a round. Second you can visually look at a distance the position of the firing pin being down knowing you unloaded it. In Alaska I ran into a Caribou Hunter that I thought he practices it. He was caring a 03-A3 30-06 like the one I have. But this guy knowingly knew he had a live round in the chamber and lowered the firing pin down. He said this is the safest way to carry a loaded rifle. He said instead of pushing the safety off, you just pulled the firing pin back. I asked him can I see it. I walked about 15 feet away pointed the rifle in a safe direction and demonstrated to him what will happen if he had an accident falling? I took my Buck knife and gave it a sharp rap, BBBOOOMMM! You should have seen the expression on that guys face!

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from Shaky wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Got a call from forest service, about 34yr. ago. Asked if I could give a ride to a close friend, who was stranded about 70mi. back in the boonies, truck broke down. I said yes, did he need me to bring anything to fix his truck. The ranger said "no, it's Sunday". Didn't make any sence to me, but I said I'll be there asop,and hung up. When I got to the assigned point to pick him up, I asked what happened, and he told me he put his '06 in the truck, and it went off. I knew exactly what he did, because he always hauled his rifle muzzle down on the transmission hump. You can't believe the dammage that 180gr. Rem bronze point did to his poor pick-up. Thing is, I always insisted he open his bolt when we were hunting together, and it always irritated him. It took a week to get his rig home, because he was hunting private tree farm land, and they closed it through the week, so we towed it in the next Sat. Totally destroyed his transmission. HAUL ALL HUNTING RIFLES UNLOADED!!!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Dr RalphLMAOMy brother shot a hole in the floor board of my 1954 Chevy with a Win 94 .30-30 once. Wasn't funny then. A little Bondo and a new floor mat fixed it right up!Of course we never told anybody back then!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

It would appear, most gun hunters/hunters think they experts in gun-smithing. I learned the hard way. I clean, oil, rub, wipe,etc. but if adjustments, repairs needed I go to my gun-smith.I got a Custom Mauser now, that shoots to high, has the orig sights that the custom builder installed. For my style of shooting, the rear sight is too highmor the front is to low. Informed the smith and he suggested i put up a target at 25 yds , shot 3 times, cool dwn and repeat. Once I do this, bring him the targetand gun and he will take care of it. The front sight slids in from the muzzle end into a l/4" solid rib from the action to the muzzle. The front sight is a blade with a brass dot facing the shooter. He will need to determine from my targets the amount he needs to build( weld metal to it) I got too much invested in this gun to now be able to hit the barn door. Gun was built in Italy and a beaut, with dble set triggers set at 12 oz's. I figure the beautiful wood is worth as much as I paid for the gun, but that's my opinion. Gun is not for sale, it's my show and tell beaut in 30-06 my caliber.No names on the gun, just initials and #'s don;t mean a thing to me, wish had the mfger engraved someplace. But suppose the #;s and initials mean something in Germany. O well, need to hunt more and buy less. If stopped this buying, could hunt more. If Airlines continue to increase and gaseoline goes to 5 bucks a gallon, will be fewer old guys like me hunting the Rocky Mountains. I understand the applicstions for NR hunters way down, and good possibility all will draw, as states need our $$$.Hunting a guided hunt for 7 days in the Rocky Mtns is now a dream for many good guys who would love to go, but cannot afford the cost. At my age of 73, this will likely be my last trip out, unless prices decrease and CD's go sky-ward. Would like to hunt once more in Wy for Mulies and Lopes, but this year will be Montana and Colorado for Elk and Deer, ( maybe a Wolf) if see one. Ok,supper ready,so better get off. Shoot-um-straight and often, guys, as no guarrantee of tomorrow.Much rather set home and think of the trips.hunts/people I;ve met, rather than sit there and moan about not going at all. Never seen a Wells-Fargo truck at a Cemetary yet. No need for me to worry about that,as whats left after this hunt would not buy the gas for the truck. hst again soon. Any you guys seen the XL7 yet.?Mime was to arrive yesterday, but sales person fiddled around and never got my order processed in time for UPS>Not going to B---h as these guns in great demand and I don;t want to PO_ED him. I wanted one before Remington investors started cutting corners to make more millions as they are investors only.Look at the new 715 and 770 Rem has now, plus the shotty ADL built for Wal-mart only now ( as the Rep for Rem told me a month ago.. Looks as if made from Japan beer cans. Chat later, hopefully after supper. Gone, the Old Gunslinger from down south. If by chance you own a ADL better hang on to it, as teh prices will surely increase. All i can see from Rem now is the BDL and CDL, rest is crap. glad I bought my remingtons long ago, befor they sold out. Sure hope MArlin/ H&H/NEF did not screw up for us hunters. Savage is now coming forward by leaps and bounds, the new l4 series in Walnut, looks like the older BDL of Remingtons and much cheaper..by sevral hundred dollars. Savage has always made a great shooting gun, just looked cheap, but was not. I hope they do well, as few USA Co's left now.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

A friend of mine shot a hole in the front bumper of his truck with one of those Marlin lever action .44's in deer camp once. He was letting the hammer down and it slipped or so he said... at least it was pointed down. They just don't make bumpers like they used to, but it was a Ford so no one was offended.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

totally of the subject but does anyone here own or ever shot a the new Winchester Wildcat .22 just curious as to what some people think of it.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I got a friend who did the same thing with an '06 Remington pump. But He shot through his family's roof ..instead of a freezer

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from Peter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I shot a freezer once...cause I forgot I put a shell in the 16 ga. shotgn. I was 12 then (quite a few years ago now) and had just completed hunters saftey. lol although it wasn't funny at the time. And still not in someways.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

John R.,As a boy 45 yr ago I had the exact Stevens you did and didn't have problems with the pin but the spring was weak. I was good at spotting rabbits sitting and sometimes It'd go off sometimes not. Slowly eject shell and put in new one and it'd then fire.I'm not blameing the gun though because as a young dumb kid I thought it was proper to release tension on spring by dry firing before putting it up. I eventually traded it off and got my first SxS.

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from John R wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I think one must know his/her mechanical limits and abilities. I had a broken firing pin on an old Stevens 20 gauge single shot shotgun. I removed the old firing pin and made one by chucking a 20 penny nail into a variable speed drill and slowly turning it on a fine grit bench grinder. I finished it off with varying grits of wet/dry sandpaper until it was polished. It looked just like the original and worked until the replacement I ordered arrived. I knew it (the nail pin) was a softer steel and wouldn't last, but my poor man's lathe worked pretty well.The most intricate thing I ever disassembled was the trigger assemby for my Remington 742 Woodsmaster. It was really dirty (I had gotten it 2nd hand) and needed a thorough cleaning. Well, I took it completely apart and cleaned and lasid out all the parts on a cloth. When it came time to re-assemble I must admit the pucker factor was running a bit high. I did break a swaet with the safety and safety spring, but finally got it right and everything back together. I still have the rifle and it works very well. I don't think I would attempt that again, but you never know. It's fun to tinker as long as you aren't OC about it and stay within your limits.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Back in January of 80, I loaded 100 rounds of Hornady .430 diam 44 cal 240 grain SWC cast bullets stock number 11108 with 21 grains of Hercules 2400 in the neighborhood of 1500 fps for my 44 Mag one day and used it on one of my search and destroy critter missions. Pushing soft lead over 850 fps is not a good idea at all. Talk about barrel fouling! I had a free gun cleaning gift card to one of the down town gunsmiths that just to be one of my friends across the hanger in machine shop. He called me everything but a white man in a joking manner. He broke several special tools for barrel fouling removal. I pulled the rest of the bullets and used them in my slingshot! Don't try this in your worst gun!

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Some years ago I saw a definate improvement over using duct or electrical tape to hold the forearm onto the barrel of what was obviously a defective single barrel 12 gauge of some sort. The gun was hanging in the backwindow of a pickup. The fellow had employed a tightly screwed on radiator hose clamp. How ingenious.Another wonderful gesture in an effort to continue the use of an otherwise unusable hunting rifle was a hunter I met in the mountains who had replaced the broken stock of his Model 94. He had whittled down the end of a 2 x 4 until it fit the receiver. Didn't bother to stain it or even cut down the corners to any significant degree. I can imagine that sucker slapping you in the cheek even from a .30-30's moderate recoil. I saw him again a couple days later hauling out what was easily a 300 B & C bull. I left with empty pack horses but heck I had a custom magnum what do you expect? Goes to show...

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I will vouch for Gerald Kellers' gun smithing abilities. I am one of his very satisfied customers (not a tinkerer).I go to him with some half baked idea of what I want and he returns a gun to me that is a work of art!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

All this reminds me of the day when a fella decided to use the backside of the Maricopa County Arizona Sheriff’s Department shooting range for his back stop shooting his AK47. We all were being issued ammo at the time when all a sudden, rounds started ricocheting over our heads and we started diving for cover. The Senior Instructor code 3 to that shooter and as he ripped him a new one, he dismantled is AK47 down to the very last spring. Yep, I think that individual will make sure of is target and beyond for then on by golly!And I remember another day, I was in Buck Canyon near Weed New Mexico deer hunting on horseback. I noticed two kids just below me and noticed one looking at me thru his rifle scope. So I raised my binoculars and lord and behold, one of those kids was looking back at me thru his rifle scope and I can see thru the scope tube! So I gave Ol’Blazer a little nudge and down to the kid I went. I said, nice Remington Model 700 BDL, can I see it Sir, sure the kid replied. I also notice the New Mexico Hunter Safety Patch on his jacket and remembered him from a Hunter Safety Course I assisted with a friend with and he knew I was affiliated with the New Mexico State Police Search and Rescue. His pucker factor was off his dial it wuzz! So I removed the bolt and told the kid, if you want your bolt back Sir, I’m camped in Perk Canyon and you better tell your father the truth. Upon approach, the father wanted to fight and when he spotted me immediately recognized me also (small world!) and apologized. The father wanted to make sure that his son wouldn’t be able to set down for a month! But I had a better idea! To really and truly punish him correctly and will learn from his mistake, I suggested to have him, don’t be mad at him, have him continue hunting but with a empty rifle, carry no ammo what so ever and will carry that rifle everywhere the entire duration of the hunt. The fallowing season, I noticed this fine young man hunting separate from his group high on a ridgeline. His rifle was on his shoulder this time and was glassing with a pair of 10x50 binoculars. Lesson learned!

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from Black Rifle Addict wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Michael-I have similar memories growing up around WWII vets. It was a much different time then, that's for sure.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I remember the old trapshooter who got me started when I was 17. He was very serious about putting a little crocus cloth around his finger and giving the inside of the choke on his Mod. 12 a slight twist. He said it roughened the choke a little and this would slow the shot cup down and produce a better pattern. He also had a beautiful Kreighoff but shot the mod. 12 because he once broke 200 straight with it. I also remember being at Charleys trap range on S. Main in Houston and discovering a Parker single barrel trap gun residing behind the door in the kitchen of the clubhouse. I learned the beautiful gun belonged to Charley himself but he had only shot it once (missed a target!) and refused to shoot it again which was why it was stuck in the corner. I wouldn't trade those long ago days (I was 17, 56 now)hanging around those old shotgunners for any amount of money today. You can't buy memories.

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from Jack Ryan wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

New motto: never say never.Dad said one of my uncles had a couple of guns he wanted to get rid off. Dad didn't want them so I said I'd take 'em. Now I've got plenty of guns. The only thing interesting about an "old 410 and a 22" is the we my "uncle ...'s" ya know? Dad came over today with two gun cases that looked like the cases were worth what he had wanted for the guns. I set them aside and we went out to dinner. Got back and we got them out to look at them. A 410 NEF break open that could have been on the dealer shelf an hour before. Pretty cool.Now one of my "recent" rules has been "I'll never, ever own another Mossberg ANYTHING." Just a couple days ago I wrote here, "I don't buy guns that need fixed".Guess what was in the other bag? Yep, a Mossberg. A 22 bolt action. Looked like it had been used a bit with out a doubt. Old tube feed. Thought that didn't looke like much but it was interesting. Looked like the front and rear sights both had be "cusomized" to ruination.Later I thought I'd check it out on the internet and got to looking closer and learned it was labled to shoot 22 S,L,LRMossberg 46B-B. Those sights are some kind of flip sight blades you can choose from and a hood on the front is missing but replaceable.Now I'm really interested and it looks like I'll have to "eat" a couple of those wacky "nevers".

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Every year or so out comes a book called "The Darwin Awards" all about people who have, in some uniquely moronic way, removed themselves from the gene pool. Been a while since I glanced through an issue but I seem to recall a few 'Shade Tree Gunsmiths' having given up the ole Oxygen habit.SA

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I learned long ago, if you need a plumber, don;t call a electrician. As with guns, I install my scopes, clean with gun scrubber, but if need serious work done, I take it to a quality gunsmith I have. I once tried to sporterized a Turk 8mm. Well,about 30 minuts of know nothing of what I was doing I carried it to my gunsmith. Even he could not get it to pattern as i had sawed off 5" of teh bbl???? Dumb A-- me. That taught me a valueable lesson. Did sell the 8mm after a bit of hore trading and now I clean a best I can with Birchwood casey gun scrubber, adn if needs further cleaning/work, it goes to the smith. Will receive my new MArlin 270 Bolt XL7 tomorrow. Comes with a base from the factory, but I want a 3.5x10x45 scope mounted, so gonna take to him to install and bore-sight. Then I will fine tune to my eyes and the way I shoot. Being left handed to shoot when was young, broke my collar bone and had to switch to right han shoting. Now I don;t put the butt up on shoulder, its down on my arm somewhat, but works for me with a good Limb-saver pad. So, no one can site in a gun to fit my shoting style, can get it close, but I can shoot 5 times and gun is zeroed. I shoot twice, then adjust the scope, let bbl cool off then shoot 3 times and it's usually zeroed. Using Leupold Dual Dove ails base and mounts, once it;s zeroed, it stays zeroed. My 3 Western guns, a 30-06, 270, 25-06 all carry Nikon Monarch scopes and got Leupold DD mounts, in 8 trips west, never lost zero yet. That's good for Airlines handling like bag of Sand. But I got Alum first class gun cases with extra foam padding, and that protects the firearms well. The cases look all beat up now, but continue to protect the firearms. Thought about adding a l/l6th" of fiberboard to the inside of the cases then lay the foam on top of that., and may do on this next trip to the Rockies, as got to change planes twice before I get to Montana. JUst leave the gun-smithing to a expert, will save you grief on your shot at a trophy. PS; I love Alum Pillar bedding such as Savage puts in their guns.But I;ve done OK with free floating guns so far. This new MArlin, has 2 small squares of Polymar about l/2" square molded on each side at very end of the forearm to keep the bbl from moving from side to side,the Pillar bedding will stop the bbl from up and down, unles gets to hot which is unlikely hunting,but can happen at bench unless you shoot 3 time,then allow the bbl to cool.Take care of your weapons, keep clean and handle as if solid gold. Also, if shoots to point of aim, don;t try to improve, leave be. Shoot-um-straight and often. I once hunted with a older guy who came to camp with a taped up grip on a 30-06, all blueing gone, Guess who filled their Elk tag first,?

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

If you ever build a muzzleloader from a kit, don't blue the nipple. They blow up if you do... don't ask how I know but I have a scar to prove it.

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

The only rifle I've ever completely disassembled was a .22 Remington 550-1. That was a nightmare! Not because it is incredibly complex, but because it was the first I had ever taken apart. Funny thing, if you leave out a certain screw, the receiver will unscrew itself a little with every shot until it is out far enough that the firing pin doesn't make contact anymore. Disturbing when you don't realize what has happened. Took me about a week to find the screw, which was in the bottom of my cleaning kit, and get it back into good working order. I learned my lesson right there!Nothing past field strip for me now! Especially since a good friend of mine is a gunsmith!

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

The only rifle I've ever completely disassembled was a .22 Remington 550-1. That was a nightmare! Not because it is incredibly complex, but because it was the first I had ever taken apart. Funny thing, if you leave out a certain screw, the receiver will unscrew itself a little with every shot until it is out far enough that the firing pin doesn't make contact anymore. Disturbing when you don't realize what has happened. Took me about a week to find the screw, which was in the bottom of my cleaning kit, and get it back into good working order. I learned my lesson right there!Nothing past field strip for me now! Especially since a good friend of mine is a gunsmith!

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Of course, it's not just average Joes who mess up guns. When I was fairly young, I took a Weatherby Mark V to a gun store in Augusta, GA, to have a Redfield scope mounted. The mount was one of the dovetail types, where the front ring is inserted in the front base and turned into position. Well, this "gunsmith" used the scope to turn the front ring! The scope tube looked like a Rottweiler had been chewing on it for about a month! When I complained to the store owner, he asked me incredulously, "Well, what do you want me to do about it?" Well, good grief, fella, I want you to replace the scope! He was giving me a hard time, so I sent the scope back to Redfield and explained the situation, and Redfield put my scope components into a new scope tube--for free. I also remember one "custom" gunsmith who would install rifle sights on riot shotguns--which often fell off after a few shots. Another gunsmith tried to talk me out of replacing the firing pin on a Winchester Model 100, which had a recall in effect on the firing pin (it could break and protrude through the firing pin hole and cause a slam fire). I replaced the firing pin myself. By the way, a friend of mine advanced a theory that the Model 100 was prone to "doubling" because the firing pin "kisses" the primer whenever the bolt pushes another cartridge into the chamber. This also happens with the AR series of rifles. That's why you should use MIL-SPEC (Military Specification) primers in such rifles, which are "harder" than regular primers and resist going off under anything than a full firing pin blow.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Jim in Mo.You flip the little lever down, flip the works attached out and down, (gun must be uncocked, dry fire if necessary!). Bolt should slide out back of reciever! If nothing else, take it to a gun smith. Most will assist you just to help fellow gun owners. Offer him a five spot for his troubles and you have valuable knowledge!Bubba

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from LowRecoil wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal,Your comments regarding the futility of most tinkering on rifles have inspired me to offer to you at no cost a splendid idea for your magazine.Field & Stream has constructed the Ultimate Something-or-other in the past. We've seen articles on the Ultimate Hunting Cabin, The Ultimate Sporting Vehicle, The Ultimate Long Underwear, etc.It occurs to me that a feature on the Ultimate Whitetail Rifle would serve two purposes: it would fit in with F&S's Ultimate Gizmo theme, and it would render tinkerage unnecessary.Talk it over with your publisher. I'll wait here to gracefully accept your thanks.I won't require a byline on the article, but if your gratitude for such a fine idea compels you to present me with the finished rifle (in 6.5x55, of course), I wouldn't object.

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Ya Ya ,..not sure where I heard this ( not an original Yohan statement) but it fits here pretty good,..A guy asks his budy who was working on his car,..hows the engine work goin ??.Buddy says well,..pretty good I think.Im done for nowDecided to put in a new engine.But,.. forgot to take the old one out.Now,...my car soes 500 mph in second gear.But I like it,..

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from Brian T wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Good shotguns for trap, skeet & sporting clays are manufactured to be adjustable. Learn to do it properly. Otherwise, learn what every visible part of your gun looks like when everything is working properly. If it ain't busted don't fix it. If a part moves, a screw starts to back out, you'll know it when you see it, so inspect everything after every shoot. Shotgun stocks need to be adjusted, just like rifle sights.

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from Pete Hansen wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

A number of years ago, while trying to save money by rebuilding a carburator on a Ford Pinto, I wound up with a handful of screws that I didn't know where they were suppose to go and took them and the carb to a mechanic to reassemble. I've adopted the same attitude toward trying to fix my own guns. Leave the fixin to the experts! Trying to fix it yourself is like giving yourself a "Do It Yourself" Lobotomy with a splitting maul and a tablespoon!

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from Shane wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I tinkered on a few guns mostly just springs, drop-ins, and wood. Until I got interested in military surplus. Mosin-Nagants, Mausers, and Swiss K-31 can be had for under 200 sometimes under 100. If you screw up you won't be asking yourself why you were stupid enough to try. But if successful you have something that can be really cool. Also there is something about the first time go at a gun and start peeling off metal. Definitely exciting.

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from Shane wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I tinkered on a few guns mostly just springs, drop-ins, and wood. Until I got interested in military surplus. Mosin-Nagants, Mausers, and Swiss K-31 can be had for under 200 sometimes under 100. If you screw up you won't be asking yourself why you were stupid enough to try. But if successfull you have something that can be really cool. Also there is something about the first time go at a gun and start peeling off metal. Definitely exciting.

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from Carney wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I've never ruined a gun by tinkering -- yet...I do however, have what was once a $1200 revolver that someone else has reduced to a $200 chunk of metal.

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from Jeff wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I don't know, I consider tinkering to be another facet of the hobby. Just make sure you don't do anything stupid or unsafe, or deface a really nice gun.There's no reason not to throw some nicer parts in your 10/22 or MK-11. Why not install a drop-in beavertail on your 1911 if that's what you like? Just don't go messing around with trigger sears or treating a nice stock like a middle-school carpentry project.Above all, remember that tinkering can't make you a better shooter. Shooting does!

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from Peter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Ya I once took a shotgun a part...an old H n R Topper. lol..trouble was after I took it all apart...I couldn't get it back together. My Dad was so disgusted..but a couple months later..lol..we got it back together.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Bubba,I see the take down lever but what exactly does it take down? Does slide release, etc. Don't want to get into something I'll cuss myself for later.Have a police style belt and large holster both from Uncle Mike's that makes it reasonable to carry the gun squirrel hunting but I believe a shoulder holster would be just the ticket.

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from Doug wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

If I had the money and time I spent tweaking and tinkering on my Thompson Center Encore.... and I ain't done yet.

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from PbHead wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Yohan, you beat me to it. I always thought the basic bolt action rifle was very popular beacuse it was the easiest to tinker with. I guess we can all thank the military for developing some close to idiot proof systems.The Brownell's series of Gunsmith Kinks books provides tons of tales of similiar woe. My expertise is this: If it moves and is not supposed to, duct tape. If if does not move and is supposed to, WD 40.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

How about instead, You Always Hurt the Gun You Love, how about, The gun you love hurt you! A Tasco 3x9x40 has a violent reactions with a shooter when mounted on a 340 Weatherby Magnum. Yep’you guest it you did and a half roll of paper towels to add to the injury and embarrassment to the Colonel that wouldn’t listen to Ol’ Serge!HERE’S YOUR SIGN!By the way, I was watching one of the Sportsmen Channels a few weeks ago and they had Jeff Foxworthy on it. I got to say, he is one hell of a shot! Impressed this old crusty NCO he did!!

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from sarg wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Jack, I used to buy rifles that need repair, fix them then resell them for a good profit.. made a little money . had fun tinkering and shot a lot of different guns. "Good Life"

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Dar I wuz August of 1982, hunting jack rabbits and coyotes in New Mexico with my trusty 25-06 Ruger M-77 when I tripped on a strand of barbwire laying low in the brush and crammed a cubic yard of mud up the muzzle. 2 ½ hours of rugged jeep trail and 1 ½ hours of pavement from the nearest gun cleaning rod, I decided to knock it out with a hand full of ¼ inch drill bits I had in my tool box. You quest it, game over, 45 days later and a new barrel I was back in the saddle again. One thing good came out of this, the barrel was due replacement anyhow.

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from Gerald Keller wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Since I am a working gunsmith,I love guys who "tinker" with their guns.They are some of my best and most frequent customers!One gentleman brought in a beutiful M98 8mm with a hole drilled through the front reciever ring ,barrel shank,and into the chamber.He had followed the directions in an article from a gun magazine(Not F&S or OL) on how to mount a scope.Only trouble was the author neglected to explain how deep to drill the holes.If you don't have experiencein the machine trades you shouldn't mess about.That's what my fellow gunsmiths and I are trained to do.

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from Jack Ryan wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

I just don't buy guns that NEED fixing to start with.

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from Jason wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

I think home gunsmithing is a great idea and a good way to save some cash. None of it looks very hard and maybe one day i will be dumb enough to try it.

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Other than fun guns Marlin leverswhich are not terribly complicatedWhy I use Mauser 98 rifles exclusively.Simple and strong can be disasembled to the molecular level and then reassembled in no time.On three have replaced one firing pin spring,, one exctractor,.. and one sear,..in the last 35 years.The sear was my fault,.. honed it to much had to replace.spring was a precaution not a falure. extrator broke on a 6.5,.. go figure ,.. but easily replaceable.If your gonna diddle ,. do it with a Mauser

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Save for swapping out parts on occasion I leave repairing my guns to someone competent at it! I would like to buy another Ruger 10-22 and dress it up a bit. Past that me, guns and tools don't mix!TraePlease tell us you used the brown duct tape!!!SA

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

I got a old Chinese SKS I like to tinker with. I have 4 stocks, 2 or 3 different twist on muzzle brakes, and a couple of different magazines for it. Oh yeah and a pair of receiver covers for it. I can change the looks of it all day long to suite my every whim. But I never take it apart to see how it ticks. It is fun to shoot and is a good conversation piece.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Jim in Mo.Have the same exact pistol. I do all my cleaning by field stripping. THAT can be accomplished with the take down lever on the back of the grip. Beyond that, it's gunsmith time!If it needs cleaning beyond what the instruction manual provides, go to a 'smith!Bubba

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Jim in MO,Don't do it. There is a very small detent ball bearing that holds the safety in that very easy to loose. I spent the better part of a afternoon looking for a very very small steel detent ball.Tom the Troll

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

My gunsmith has a sign on his wall:Labor $50.00 per hour, $75.00 if you watch, $100.00 if you helpDave is right especially about the trap shooters. We are always looking for that lost bird and figure something is out of adjustment or needs a little tweeking to make the world perfect. It has been this way for at least 38 years and probably forever.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

I actually worked in a small gun shop, under two different gunsmiths. There was a sign in the shop that read, "We repair FIXED guns!"It's mind boggling just how many parts there are in some firearms! The amatuer can take things apart with a ball peen hammer and a Stanley screw driver it takes a gunsmith a lathe, a mill, three new parts and a action wrench to reassemble!I DO NOT do gunsmithing, not even on my own guns. I am rather accomplished at stock repair because I like working with wood. I DO NOT restock anything, I can fix a broken stock. I, in no way, can "fit" a stock! I've tried. That's why I repair broken stocks!There is a distinct difference between "fixed" and "repaired". Right Clay Cooper!!! I'm a fixer, not a repairman!Bubba

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

I have a Ruger 22cal.LR. Mark II Target 'Government Target Model' pistol.I shoot it all the time and would like to take it completely apart and clean it, but even Ruger says don't do it unless by a competant gunsmith. So I just keep shooting and normal cleaning (by a guy of my ability)and after 10yrs and many,many,many thousands rounds that damn gun still shoots empty shot gun hulls off the bench free standing at 15 yds.

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from John B wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

When I was shooting handgun competitively I always noticed that that somewhere down the line, the guys that kept tinkering with their guns always seemed to have troubles on the firing line. I just kept my gun reasonably clean and it kept firing. Not that it helped me shoot any better, but at least I rarely had the frustration of jams part way through a string..

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from Trae B. wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

My uncle gave me a 30-30 with a split stock and said if I could fix it I could have it.I fixed it good as new.It shoots perfectly accurate to.The secrete to my succes.Duct-tape.

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from Wulffy wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

I bought a beautiful High Standard HB from a local pawn shop owner. When he got it, it wouldn't cycle so he bought a new spring and installed it, then couldn't get it back apart because he hadn't cut the spring to length. He got fed up, so I got a deal, not much over $125. I tried to get it apart, and took out way to many of the wrong screws and such. Ended up at the gunsmith with a bag of parts. He wasn't happy to see me but said he would fix it. When I went to pick it up, he demonstrated the proper way to disassemble it three times, then made me show him that I knew how to do it. All said and done I am in to it less than $300, which is still a great deal for the condition it is in.

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from Bernie Kuntz wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

I have done almost no "meddling" myself on firearms because I am a ham-handed sort who can ruin anything. I have refinished a few gunstocks that turned out OK.Many of my shotguns are pre-choke tube, so I had the chokes opened from full to modified by a guy who knows what he is doing. I also have had a couple rifles rebedded, and have had many of them restocked. But I have this work done by artisans whose work I could never hope to duplicate. I would no more consider restocking a rifle myself than trying to build a spaceship to the moon!

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from Dave M wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

When I was 14, my grandfather passed away & I rec'd the Model 12 he had shot all his life. Being a curious lad with several years of shooting but no gunsmithing experience, I stripped it down to the component parts to see what made the thing tick.The following day I sheepishly arrived at the local gun shop with the barrel, stock, and forearm in one hand and a coffee can full of misc. metal in the other and asked the proprietor for his assistance in restoring my inheritance to working order.He replied with these words: "I will fix your mess if you are willing to sit your a** on that bench over there, watch what I do, and show me that you have learned so that you don't end up destroying a fine gun."I watched and learned and every time I get the urge to meddle today I wish the old boy was still around to back me up.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

much as I like to fiddle, I leave well enough alone with my guns and leave it to professionals past the basics...

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Do-it-yourself projects are the sharp object to the great results/assumed financial savings balloon.My own case of home gunsmithing falls under the category of "what the most stupid and/or embarrassing thing you ever did". It would make for a pretty good feature film.

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from rob wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Dr. Ralph - Can't stop laughing....

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Anybody want to buy an $1100 Ruger 10-22? Been there, done that...

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

THIS IS WHY I ALWAYS SHOOT A .270 Win.!!!I cut my teeth on a couple of Marlin 336's. One my dad's, the other my granddad's. When I stepped away from their guns, I stumbled into a Parker-Hale .270 Win. I had wanted a .270 since reading some of Cactus Jack's stuff. It just sounded good to a young whipper-snapper with a bad itch. I attempted to sell it to a local gunsmith for cash. He looked at me and smiled, "Have you shot that rifle, son?""No sir, I don't have any ammo and why buy a box if I'm gonna sell it?"Rummaging around under his bench, he came out with a fist full of reloads and said, "I'll buy the gun, but I suggest you go shoot it before you sell it. Just bring my brass back."That was 5 shots and 30+ years ago. I'm still shooting a Parker-Hale .270, and a Ruger No. 1. When I do my part, that is: take a rest, find proper sight picture, breathe, exhale slightly, squeeze..... I normally find a dead deer. I have seen fleeing flags before, and if I'll just sit back and close my eyes and go over the shot, generally I'll recall what "I" did wrong!Know some folks that change guns like I change TV channels, and they are never happy. They want a belted "Mangrum" or standard caliber. They want a light bullet with speed or a lead ingot just a bit faster than a 1949 Dodge dumptruck. They want a bore that looks like a hollow log or a sewing needle swage.I know the ol' .270 isn't the "Ultimate" deer gun, but it was the answer to this "maiden's prayer"!I agree Dave P.. Quit diddling around and hunt!Bubba

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 17 weeks ago

Thomas, Bubba and other Ruger MkIIowners.Found this takedown site, guy makes it look easier than I thought even though he uses a MkIIIhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UVvIMAk64LM

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Old GS,If you mix 1/3 hydrogen Peroxide with 1/3 denatured alcohol and 1/3 Murphy oil soap it makes a great and cheap solvent. Wet a patch with this stuff and BP fouling melts like a snowflake on a hot stove. No harm to gun finish either. I use it on my in-lines and custom flintlock longrifle. Tried lots of store bought stuff. Nothing worked as good as this. I got the recipe from a article in Muzzleloader magazine years ago. Just make sure you store it in a dark bottle so the peroxide doesn't separate.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 1 week ago

Jim in M0: I was in a gun shop yesterday and they do make 2 different Birchwod Casey Gun scrubbers.One is for general purpose and one is MARKED FOR SYN stocked firerms. So you were l00% crrect.So spent another 7 bucks to be able to clean this MArlin XL7 and my CVA B.P gun. Thanks for the tip. This Blog is like a open book,will learn a lot if just read what you guys say. The Old Gun Slinger

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 2 weeks ago

I often wonder how I ever got so interested in firearms and hunting. i do so when I was l0 yrs old. No one else i my family hunted or evrn owned a gun that I;m aware of. If my Dad did i don;t know wher it went. I taught my Son to hunt and shoot at age l0. When he turned l2 I bought him his first gun, a 410. The the folowing fall, I bought him a 30-30. We had no deer here period, ao had to drive about 200 miles to hunt them. Since that hunt in the 60's he and I have hunted most days season was in when we started gettig deer here at home. this past fall was first time in 40+ yrs we both killed a deer the same day, and we both killed nice bucks within l5 minutes of each other. What a Thrill that was.Came home with 2 Bucks, and families made many pictures to go to many diffeerent magazines for publication of my story and photos of our kills.So wher I/we got this gun/hunting trait is beyond me, but glad we did, as we have spent many hours hunting together. Not many parents able or even care to do that now. In my area, I can xcount on my fingers the # of true hunters or gun nuts. Neve have enough fiearms, as they continue to come out with new ones each year.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 3 weeks ago

The only answer to teh above questions and answers is to: USE COMMON Sense when handling fiearms, weather hunting, pratacing, zeroing, just looking. Have you ever noticed at the quality gun shops you ask to see a rifle, the guy behind teh counter, will reach and get teh gun and if a bolt will always open the bolt and pull backward and dble check teh chamber. Most accidents that happen with firearms is plain stupid on the handlers part. A gun will kill or damage what-ever the bullet strkes. I have a farm that is posted and no access but one. For some un-godly reason a groupe from 50 miles away think it's theirs. A few shots over the tree tops changes their mind. Yesteday my wife was walking over some of this farm and was beside herself when she returned. She found 8 (yes eight) bucks that only the Antlers been sawed off. Not one once of meat taken.Earlier in teh season I found 4 deer in one pile, 3 bucks and only the back strap on one side of the doe taken. Deer were dumped into a cilvert at the road. This year I plan to take a different approach dealing with these guys. Wonder how many trips to buy 4 new ties will it take to get their attention or that they not welcome. I spend a lot of $$$ and time to plant food plots on this property, about 10 aces in grass, etc. and it's not for the general public to use.So if you hear of a guy in jail this fall for protecting his property you will understand who it is. When I hunt the Rockies, I pay a outfitter r a access fee to hunt, no difference here to me. Have a good day/nite and shoot-um-staight and often. The above is another reason why I carry a Weapon in my pants pocket all the time.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

John RI hunt open country most of the time, so there is usually adequate time to chamber a round after game is spotted. If I am somewhat stationary for a while, sort of like on stand, I will ease a round into the chamber with safety on. With proper muzzle control, I see no problem with slowly slipping through the timber with a round chambered.But on steep, rocky ground or in the dark hiking in, I prefer to keep that round out of the chamber. While in the Army, I never thought twice about being locked and loaded!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

So far no problems, as I only got one Syn stocked B/P gun. So cannot say it is ok or not. But used the Gun Scrubber many yrs on Walnut/Maple and no problem.I always wipe down with Rem oil when flush out the grim in the action. It cleans places you cannot get to with a brush/cloth, etc. Works great on a 742 Auto. HAve use it for so many yrs forgot how many. I like it better than Hopps, but again, to each his own. I recall for yrs we all used WD-40, then saw the build up on the gun, so stopped. It will gum up a action, so I stopped it. I also recall about 55 yrs ago using 3-in-l oil,after cleaning with Alcohol. Man, how times have changed. Not for the better in many cases. But when i startd hunting was with a l6 ga single shot shotgun. No deer around then, just small game. My first BIG GAME gun was a Winch 94(l952) in 30-30. Thats a long time, 56 yrs ago. You talking about someone who at that time thought I was a PH from Africa. Worked fine till I found a 740 Rem Auto, like a Idiot sold the 94. But bought a new 336 in 30-30 a few yrs back. Will be here when I;m gone, its a great Walk and stop woods gun even today with open sights. My Daughter 50 yrs old uses a l6 l/2" 336 today and kills her limit yearly. May get my wife one as she always goes hunting with me wherever I go to take care of my health problems. 99% of time, when she goes I kill a animal, as she's the best Bird dog ever seen, can spot game i never see. Ok. TAke care guys. Good Hunting. Shoot -um-straight and often. Burn some powder,as when need arises you can kill him.A extrs $100.00 in ammo here may save the day on a $5-7K dollar hunt out west.It sure ain't cheap to go to the Rockies now.

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Jim & Rocky Mtn:I never used Gunscrubber on synthetic stocked rifles due to the warnings and my assumption that it might damage the stocks. Now there is a new version which is labeled safe for synthetics. I bought a can but cannot report on its worth as when I removed the top the little push button was missing. I intend to exchange it at Walmart soon and give it a try. So you probably should not use the original on synthetics. I hope the newer version is as good as the first one insofar as ease of cleaning a really nasty gun.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Rocky Mtn Hunter,I like gun scrubber but I will never again use it around plastic, it'll eat it up! I'm wondering if it would do the same to synthetic stocks?

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I buy and trade a few guns, but learned long ago, if you don;t know what you are doing, better take to a expert. I use a lot of Birchwood Casey Gun scrubber and then Rem oil or Otters. I do clean, wipe etc. Now and then willsand and refinish a stock with Tru oil. But, when comes to take apart or adjust moving parts, I take to my gun-smith. He knows what the gun needs and fixes for me at a reasonable price. If you clean a gun with the Gun Scrubber, chances are, that will gt the crud out and moving parts will work fine, with a tad of oil.Have seen, bought many firearms that a shade tree gun-smith screwed up. If you don;t know what you doing, best leave it to a expert. If you got a plumbing problem, you don;t need a painter. Like my family Dr. if he don;t know what's my problem he sends me to a specalist, we gun owners need to do teh same.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

John RI'll second the motion!We all take calculated risks, the question is? How much danger do you want in it. Yes, I’m one of those that slip thru the woods with a round in the chamber and safety on. But when I come to a place that is iffy? The barrel is pointed in a safe direction, the bolt comes open and the round comes out! I was walking down an old cat trail on level ground and stepped in a very shallow mud hole about a 4 foot wide covered with leaves. Instantly I was on my face and the gun was instantly directed away in a safe direction. Needed a change of clothes and I cleaned my gun and by the way, the chamber was empty! Not a question of if? It’s a question of when! The reason I removed the round from the chamber was I was spending more time looking outward rather than downward.

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from John R wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I think generally that is good advice WA Mtnhunter. The question is what do you tell all those still hunters (not stand hunters), the ones that walk and stalk slowly and quietly through the woods. You know they are not walking around with an empty chamber. I'm with you on the pointing the muzzle at someone or myself for the matter.They can find someone else to hunt with.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

There is a darn good reason that most states require firearms to be chamber unloaded while being transported! See above posts!Many guides won't let clients chamber a round until ready to shoot.I won't walk around with a round in the chamber, particularly in the dark. Nor will I let anyone with me do the same. Point your muzzle at me once and that's the last hunt you'll be on with me, period. Made a few mad over that one.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

ATV's are indeed a handy thing to have in AK. I don't have one anymore for 2 reasons. I can drive my Tundra to my stands and there are too many barbed wire fences in my happy hunting gounds.Thanks Jim but it wasn't the scope it was the glasses that would fog even when I used anti-fog stuff. The DR gave me a free evaluation on my eyes. Said here is what we can do and it will cost $2,050. No more bi-focals.Are any of you guys starting to get TURKEY fever like me? Yesterday I saw a small flock of birds inside the city limits. One of my new favorite spots seems to have many Toms with multiple beards. So far the 2 birds I've shot there had 5 and 3 beards respectively. Longest was 11.5 in.

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from Del in KS wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Over 30 yr ago I saw an accident at a small store near Altoona Fla. During deer season a family had been camping in Ocala National forrest and stopped at the store for sodas. The parents went in the store, heard a shot outside, and ran out to the car. Their 10 year old son (in back seat)had reached into the front to take a single shot 12 ga shotgun away from two small kids. When he pulled the barrel dragging the hammer across the seat it fired a load of 00 buckshot that blew about 50% of his head through the car roof. Five yr ago a man and his father- in-law were quail hunting near our family farm in Effingham KS. On a covey rise the man swung on a quail and fired. The whole load of sixes hit his father-in- law in the face killing him instantly.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

You know when you’re having a bad day is when you, forgot you leaned your brand new Beretta shotgun against the rear of the truck cab and while you drive off, the barrel falls between the cab and the bed bending the barrel! Might be good shooting around trees?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Bubba, I knew you did that! Just pointing out some of the most stupidity that I have witnessed myself! I had both a hoarse and an ATV until I retired. Got the scare on the right shin where one kicked me one day and nailed me good! Surprised it didn’t break a bone, pure black from top of my knee to the bottom of my foot and swollen big as the upper part of my leg. Speaking of ATV's that reminds me I got to change the oil in my Suzuki 500 King Quad!

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from Shaky wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

My big bore training in practical shooting was done by a sarcastic old, retired drill sarge, and at times, I would get so angry at him I'd simply walk off and let him mutter to himself. He called me some of the most insulting names you can imagine. He demanded that I reload my rifle while mounted, that I unload when hauling in a vehicle or on horseback, that I clean all firearms immediatly after returning home from a hunt even though I'd only fired a few shots, that I always weighed the powder when reloading ammo, never wipe the lense of my scope with my shirt tail, take some sort of rest when possible because I might cripple some ground squirrel or something,etc,etc,etc, til I would get sick of hearing him blather. Today, even though I know I won't need a second shot, because the game is already on the ground, I discover that I have reloaded and my sight is on the animal, and I'm ready to shoot again. I never dismount my rifle to cycle the bolt when shooting at game. It's as natural to me as breathing. As natural as holding the top round in the magazine down while closing my bolt on the EMPTY chamber and letting the firing pin down. I always have time to opperate the bolt after dismounting from a horse for a shot, or getting out of the vehicle. But I never have had time to haul a hunting partner to the hospital after I have caused injury to him by my carelessness. This is a free country, and you may do things the way you want, and never have an accident, but if you, or anyone else, hunts with me, you will follow my own safety rules.And yes I have lost a couple of hunting partners because of my demands and I say good riddance, I still haven't been shot by a partner. By the way, that old crab of a sarge died in 1984, and I still miss him, he was the best teacher I can immagine, and if I can accomplish half as much with my grand sons as he did with me, I will be satisfied that I have turned out a couple of riflemen to be proud of.Oh yes, it was 48yrs. ago that he began to heckle me, and evrything he taught me has been of great value to me. I've never come close to having a shooting accident.

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from John R wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Gad, sorry about the misspellings above. My clumsy fingers.

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from John R wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I usually hike into the woods. I don't have an ATV plus I enjoy the hike. I carry my rifle loaded, and slung on my shoulder military style. If I have to cross an obstacle, I will empty the chamber and lower the rifle over it and lay it on the ground (if dry) muzzle away from me. I then cross the obstacle myself, retrieve and reload my weapon.When I'm up in my treestand, the safety stays on until I'm ready to shoot. It's funny, that I've never spooked a deer clicking off my safety. I have had a few bucks I decided not to shoot and sat up in my treestand clicking the safety on and off as loud as I could. You know those bucksr acted like they didn't hear a thing. But scrape a foot on the tree or treestand and they are gone. It never ceases to amaze me was does and does not scare a deer.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

ClayI ain't perfect dude! It works for me. I have never accidentally discharged a firearm but once, but it had absolutely nothing to do with a mechanical safety! It was MY OWN STUPID FAULT!I learned, I always watch my muzzle. My daughter, the fed law enforcement guru, calls it "muzzle integrity"!Now, before you get all het up, I carry my rifle "empty" on my 4 wheeler. Once I'm safely ensconced in my blind with everything set up do I load and "safety" my rifle! It is then unloaded BEFORE exiting my blind! I don't have to "tie" my horse, just lock the left brake, cycle the bolt, and I'm ready.Bubba

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

When the stock on my 40 year old Rem 700 cracked I put the action in the replacement myself, thinking nothing of it. First time in the woods I cycled a round into the chamber and BANG! Worked fine in the house at 70 but when I took it out around freezing every time I cycled the bolt it would automatically fire... last gunsmithing I will ever do!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

BubbaNever had a accident in sixty year? Good for you! What about those other hunters that where carried their guns loaded on their ATV and in other transport vehicles trying to get the better edge on a faster shot Sir? Have you seen what a 22 Mag Ruger Revolver does to the top of a foot when struck by the but of the hunter’s rifle? I have and to top it off, we had to transport him to Benson Az. Can somebody explain why, when I was Hunting on horseback, I had the time to tie the hoarse up, pull the rifle out of the scabbard, cycle the bolt and shoot and still have time! GAME OVER! Have a blessed day!!It’s not a question of if?It’s a question of when!

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

ClayThe VERY first Hunter Safety course I ever attended, THAT is exactly what they taught as the "preferred" method. Rather than rely on a safety, you simply raised and lowered the bolt handle to be "shot" ready!I'm sorry, I rely on a mechanical safety and my own "human" intelligence to be "muzzle" aware at all times! Between the two, I've never had an accident in nearly sixty years!Bubba

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

ShakyWhen I remove the round any round from a bolt gun or unload it completely, I make a visual inspection of the chamber as I push the bolt forward and over the rounds that I’m holding down in the magazine making totally sure that no round in fed into the chamber. As the bolt stops due to coming in contact with the trigger mechanism, I take my middle right finger to pull the trigger to release the firing pin as I rotate the bolt closed and on some rifle the bolt handle will stop and you release the trigger and it goes the remainder of the way down closed on an empty chamber and two things result in doing this. First you just lowered the firing pin on a empty chamber that you visually and physically and knowingly know it is void of a round. Second you can visually look at a distance the position of the firing pin being down knowing you unloaded it. In Alaska I ran into a Caribou Hunter that I thought he practices it. He was caring a 03-A3 30-06 like the one I have. But this guy knowingly knew he had a live round in the chamber and lowered the firing pin down. He said this is the safest way to carry a loaded rifle. He said instead of pushing the safety off, you just pulled the firing pin back. I asked him can I see it. I walked about 15 feet away pointed the rifle in a safe direction and demonstrated to him what will happen if he had an accident falling? I took my Buck knife and gave it a sharp rap, BBBOOOMMM! You should have seen the expression on that guys face!

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from Shaky wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Got a call from forest service, about 34yr. ago. Asked if I could give a ride to a close friend, who was stranded about 70mi. back in the boonies, truck broke down. I said yes, did he need me to bring anything to fix his truck. The ranger said "no, it's Sunday". Didn't make any sence to me, but I said I'll be there asop,and hung up. When I got to the assigned point to pick him up, I asked what happened, and he told me he put his '06 in the truck, and it went off. I knew exactly what he did, because he always hauled his rifle muzzle down on the transmission hump. You can't believe the dammage that 180gr. Rem bronze point did to his poor pick-up. Thing is, I always insisted he open his bolt when we were hunting together, and it always irritated him. It took a week to get his rig home, because he was hunting private tree farm land, and they closed it through the week, so we towed it in the next Sat. Totally destroyed his transmission. HAUL ALL HUNTING RIFLES UNLOADED!!!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Dr RalphLMAOMy brother shot a hole in the floor board of my 1954 Chevy with a Win 94 .30-30 once. Wasn't funny then. A little Bondo and a new floor mat fixed it right up!Of course we never told anybody back then!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

It would appear, most gun hunters/hunters think they experts in gun-smithing. I learned the hard way. I clean, oil, rub, wipe,etc. but if adjustments, repairs needed I go to my gun-smith.I got a Custom Mauser now, that shoots to high, has the orig sights that the custom builder installed. For my style of shooting, the rear sight is too highmor the front is to low. Informed the smith and he suggested i put up a target at 25 yds , shot 3 times, cool dwn and repeat. Once I do this, bring him the targetand gun and he will take care of it. The front sight slids in from the muzzle end into a l/4" solid rib from the action to the muzzle. The front sight is a blade with a brass dot facing the shooter. He will need to determine from my targets the amount he needs to build( weld metal to it) I got too much invested in this gun to now be able to hit the barn door. Gun was built in Italy and a beaut, with dble set triggers set at 12 oz's. I figure the beautiful wood is worth as much as I paid for the gun, but that's my opinion. Gun is not for sale, it's my show and tell beaut in 30-06 my caliber.No names on the gun, just initials and #'s don;t mean a thing to me, wish had the mfger engraved someplace. But suppose the #;s and initials mean something in Germany. O well, need to hunt more and buy less. If stopped this buying, could hunt more. If Airlines continue to increase and gaseoline goes to 5 bucks a gallon, will be fewer old guys like me hunting the Rocky Mountains. I understand the applicstions for NR hunters way down, and good possibility all will draw, as states need our $$$.Hunting a guided hunt for 7 days in the Rocky Mtns is now a dream for many good guys who would love to go, but cannot afford the cost. At my age of 73, this will likely be my last trip out, unless prices decrease and CD's go sky-ward. Would like to hunt once more in Wy for Mulies and Lopes, but this year will be Montana and Colorado for Elk and Deer, ( maybe a Wolf) if see one. Ok,supper ready,so better get off. Shoot-um-straight and often, guys, as no guarrantee of tomorrow.Much rather set home and think of the trips.hunts/people I;ve met, rather than sit there and moan about not going at all. Never seen a Wells-Fargo truck at a Cemetary yet. No need for me to worry about that,as whats left after this hunt would not buy the gas for the truck. hst again soon. Any you guys seen the XL7 yet.?Mime was to arrive yesterday, but sales person fiddled around and never got my order processed in time for UPS>Not going to B---h as these guns in great demand and I don;t want to PO_ED him. I wanted one before Remington investors started cutting corners to make more millions as they are investors only.Look at the new 715 and 770 Rem has now, plus the shotty ADL built for Wal-mart only now ( as the Rep for Rem told me a month ago.. Looks as if made from Japan beer cans. Chat later, hopefully after supper. Gone, the Old Gunslinger from down south. If by chance you own a ADL better hang on to it, as teh prices will surely increase. All i can see from Rem now is the BDL and CDL, rest is crap. glad I bought my remingtons long ago, befor they sold out. Sure hope MArlin/ H&H/NEF did not screw up for us hunters. Savage is now coming forward by leaps and bounds, the new l4 series in Walnut, looks like the older BDL of Remingtons and much cheaper..by sevral hundred dollars. Savage has always made a great shooting gun, just looked cheap, but was not. I hope they do well, as few USA Co's left now.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

A friend of mine shot a hole in the front bumper of his truck with one of those Marlin lever action .44's in deer camp once. He was letting the hammer down and it slipped or so he said... at least it was pointed down. They just don't make bumpers like they used to, but it was a Ford so no one was offended.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

totally of the subject but does anyone here own or ever shot a the new Winchester Wildcat .22 just curious as to what some people think of it.

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from Peter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I got a friend who did the same thing with an '06 Remington pump. But He shot through his family's roof ..instead of a freezer

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from Peter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I shot a freezer once...cause I forgot I put a shell in the 16 ga. shotgn. I was 12 then (quite a few years ago now) and had just completed hunters saftey. lol although it wasn't funny at the time. And still not in someways.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

John R.,As a boy 45 yr ago I had the exact Stevens you did and didn't have problems with the pin but the spring was weak. I was good at spotting rabbits sitting and sometimes It'd go off sometimes not. Slowly eject shell and put in new one and it'd then fire.I'm not blameing the gun though because as a young dumb kid I thought it was proper to release tension on spring by dry firing before putting it up. I eventually traded it off and got my first SxS.

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from John R wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I think one must know his/her mechanical limits and abilities. I had a broken firing pin on an old Stevens 20 gauge single shot shotgun. I removed the old firing pin and made one by chucking a 20 penny nail into a variable speed drill and slowly turning it on a fine grit bench grinder. I finished it off with varying grits of wet/dry sandpaper until it was polished. It looked just like the original and worked until the replacement I ordered arrived. I knew it (the nail pin) was a softer steel and wouldn't last, but my poor man's lathe worked pretty well.The most intricate thing I ever disassembled was the trigger assemby for my Remington 742 Woodsmaster. It was really dirty (I had gotten it 2nd hand) and needed a thorough cleaning. Well, I took it completely apart and cleaned and lasid out all the parts on a cloth. When it came time to re-assemble I must admit the pucker factor was running a bit high. I did break a swaet with the safety and safety spring, but finally got it right and everything back together. I still have the rifle and it works very well. I don't think I would attempt that again, but you never know. It's fun to tinker as long as you aren't OC about it and stay within your limits.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Back in January of 80, I loaded 100 rounds of Hornady .430 diam 44 cal 240 grain SWC cast bullets stock number 11108 with 21 grains of Hercules 2400 in the neighborhood of 1500 fps for my 44 Mag one day and used it on one of my search and destroy critter missions. Pushing soft lead over 850 fps is not a good idea at all. Talk about barrel fouling! I had a free gun cleaning gift card to one of the down town gunsmiths that just to be one of my friends across the hanger in machine shop. He called me everything but a white man in a joking manner. He broke several special tools for barrel fouling removal. I pulled the rest of the bullets and used them in my slingshot! Don't try this in your worst gun!

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Some years ago I saw a definate improvement over using duct or electrical tape to hold the forearm onto the barrel of what was obviously a defective single barrel 12 gauge of some sort. The gun was hanging in the backwindow of a pickup. The fellow had employed a tightly screwed on radiator hose clamp. How ingenious.Another wonderful gesture in an effort to continue the use of an otherwise unusable hunting rifle was a hunter I met in the mountains who had replaced the broken stock of his Model 94. He had whittled down the end of a 2 x 4 until it fit the receiver. Didn't bother to stain it or even cut down the corners to any significant degree. I can imagine that sucker slapping you in the cheek even from a .30-30's moderate recoil. I saw him again a couple days later hauling out what was easily a 300 B & C bull. I left with empty pack horses but heck I had a custom magnum what do you expect? Goes to show...

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from Dave in St Pete wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I will vouch for Gerald Kellers' gun smithing abilities. I am one of his very satisfied customers (not a tinkerer).I go to him with some half baked idea of what I want and he returns a gun to me that is a work of art!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

All this reminds me of the day when a fella decided to use the backside of the Maricopa County Arizona Sheriff’s Department shooting range for his back stop shooting his AK47. We all were being issued ammo at the time when all a sudden, rounds started ricocheting over our heads and we started diving for cover. The Senior Instructor code 3 to that shooter and as he ripped him a new one, he dismantled is AK47 down to the very last spring. Yep, I think that individual will make sure of is target and beyond for then on by golly!And I remember another day, I was in Buck Canyon near Weed New Mexico deer hunting on horseback. I noticed two kids just below me and noticed one looking at me thru his rifle scope. So I raised my binoculars and lord and behold, one of those kids was looking back at me thru his rifle scope and I can see thru the scope tube! So I gave Ol’Blazer a little nudge and down to the kid I went. I said, nice Remington Model 700 BDL, can I see it Sir, sure the kid replied. I also notice the New Mexico Hunter Safety Patch on his jacket and remembered him from a Hunter Safety Course I assisted with a friend with and he knew I was affiliated with the New Mexico State Police Search and Rescue. His pucker factor was off his dial it wuzz! So I removed the bolt and told the kid, if you want your bolt back Sir, I’m camped in Perk Canyon and you better tell your father the truth. Upon approach, the father wanted to fight and when he spotted me immediately recognized me also (small world!) and apologized. The father wanted to make sure that his son wouldn’t be able to set down for a month! But I had a better idea! To really and truly punish him correctly and will learn from his mistake, I suggested to have him, don’t be mad at him, have him continue hunting but with a empty rifle, carry no ammo what so ever and will carry that rifle everywhere the entire duration of the hunt. The fallowing season, I noticed this fine young man hunting separate from his group high on a ridgeline. His rifle was on his shoulder this time and was glassing with a pair of 10x50 binoculars. Lesson learned!

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from Black Rifle Addict wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Michael-I have similar memories growing up around WWII vets. It was a much different time then, that's for sure.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I remember the old trapshooter who got me started when I was 17. He was very serious about putting a little crocus cloth around his finger and giving the inside of the choke on his Mod. 12 a slight twist. He said it roughened the choke a little and this would slow the shot cup down and produce a better pattern. He also had a beautiful Kreighoff but shot the mod. 12 because he once broke 200 straight with it. I also remember being at Charleys trap range on S. Main in Houston and discovering a Parker single barrel trap gun residing behind the door in the kitchen of the clubhouse. I learned the beautiful gun belonged to Charley himself but he had only shot it once (missed a target!) and refused to shoot it again which was why it was stuck in the corner. I wouldn't trade those long ago days (I was 17, 56 now)hanging around those old shotgunners for any amount of money today. You can't buy memories.

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from Jack Ryan wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

New motto: never say never.Dad said one of my uncles had a couple of guns he wanted to get rid off. Dad didn't want them so I said I'd take 'em. Now I've got plenty of guns. The only thing interesting about an "old 410 and a 22" is the we my "uncle ...'s" ya know? Dad came over today with two gun cases that looked like the cases were worth what he had wanted for the guns. I set them aside and we went out to dinner. Got back and we got them out to look at them. A 410 NEF break open that could have been on the dealer shelf an hour before. Pretty cool.Now one of my "recent" rules has been "I'll never, ever own another Mossberg ANYTHING." Just a couple days ago I wrote here, "I don't buy guns that need fixed".Guess what was in the other bag? Yep, a Mossberg. A 22 bolt action. Looked like it had been used a bit with out a doubt. Old tube feed. Thought that didn't looke like much but it was interesting. Looked like the front and rear sights both had be "cusomized" to ruination.Later I thought I'd check it out on the internet and got to looking closer and learned it was labled to shoot 22 S,L,LRMossberg 46B-B. Those sights are some kind of flip sight blades you can choose from and a hood on the front is missing but replaceable.Now I'm really interested and it looks like I'll have to "eat" a couple of those wacky "nevers".

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Every year or so out comes a book called "The Darwin Awards" all about people who have, in some uniquely moronic way, removed themselves from the gene pool. Been a while since I glanced through an issue but I seem to recall a few 'Shade Tree Gunsmiths' having given up the ole Oxygen habit.SA

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I learned long ago, if you need a plumber, don;t call a electrician. As with guns, I install my scopes, clean with gun scrubber, but if need serious work done, I take it to a quality gunsmith I have. I once tried to sporterized a Turk 8mm. Well,about 30 minuts of know nothing of what I was doing I carried it to my gunsmith. Even he could not get it to pattern as i had sawed off 5" of teh bbl???? Dumb A-- me. That taught me a valueable lesson. Did sell the 8mm after a bit of hore trading and now I clean a best I can with Birchwood casey gun scrubber, adn if needs further cleaning/work, it goes to the smith. Will receive my new MArlin 270 Bolt XL7 tomorrow. Comes with a base from the factory, but I want a 3.5x10x45 scope mounted, so gonna take to him to install and bore-sight. Then I will fine tune to my eyes and the way I shoot. Being left handed to shoot when was young, broke my collar bone and had to switch to right han shoting. Now I don;t put the butt up on shoulder, its down on my arm somewhat, but works for me with a good Limb-saver pad. So, no one can site in a gun to fit my shoting style, can get it close, but I can shoot 5 times and gun is zeroed. I shoot twice, then adjust the scope, let bbl cool off then shoot 3 times and it's usually zeroed. Using Leupold Dual Dove ails base and mounts, once it;s zeroed, it stays zeroed. My 3 Western guns, a 30-06, 270, 25-06 all carry Nikon Monarch scopes and got Leupold DD mounts, in 8 trips west, never lost zero yet. That's good for Airlines handling like bag of Sand. But I got Alum first class gun cases with extra foam padding, and that protects the firearms well. The cases look all beat up now, but continue to protect the firearms. Thought about adding a l/l6th" of fiberboard to the inside of the cases then lay the foam on top of that., and may do on this next trip to the Rockies, as got to change planes twice before I get to Montana. JUst leave the gun-smithing to a expert, will save you grief on your shot at a trophy. PS; I love Alum Pillar bedding such as Savage puts in their guns.But I;ve done OK with free floating guns so far. This new MArlin, has 2 small squares of Polymar about l/2" square molded on each side at very end of the forearm to keep the bbl from moving from side to side,the Pillar bedding will stop the bbl from up and down, unles gets to hot which is unlikely hunting,but can happen at bench unless you shoot 3 time,then allow the bbl to cool.Take care of your weapons, keep clean and handle as if solid gold. Also, if shoots to point of aim, don;t try to improve, leave be. Shoot-um-straight and often. I once hunted with a older guy who came to camp with a taped up grip on a 30-06, all blueing gone, Guess who filled their Elk tag first,?

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

If you ever build a muzzleloader from a kit, don't blue the nipple. They blow up if you do... don't ask how I know but I have a scar to prove it.

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

The only rifle I've ever completely disassembled was a .22 Remington 550-1. That was a nightmare! Not because it is incredibly complex, but because it was the first I had ever taken apart. Funny thing, if you leave out a certain screw, the receiver will unscrew itself a little with every shot until it is out far enough that the firing pin doesn't make contact anymore. Disturbing when you don't realize what has happened. Took me about a week to find the screw, which was in the bottom of my cleaning kit, and get it back into good working order. I learned my lesson right there!Nothing past field strip for me now! Especially since a good friend of mine is a gunsmith!

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

The only rifle I've ever completely disassembled was a .22 Remington 550-1. That was a nightmare! Not because it is incredibly complex, but because it was the first I had ever taken apart. Funny thing, if you leave out a certain screw, the receiver will unscrew itself a little with every shot until it is out far enough that the firing pin doesn't make contact anymore. Disturbing when you don't realize what has happened. Took me about a week to find the screw, which was in the bottom of my cleaning kit, and get it back into good working order. I learned my lesson right there!Nothing past field strip for me now! Especially since a good friend of mine is a gunsmith!

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from Chev Jim wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Of course, it's not just average Joes who mess up guns. When I was fairly young, I took a Weatherby Mark V to a gun store in Augusta, GA, to have a Redfield scope mounted. The mount was one of the dovetail types, where the front ring is inserted in the front base and turned into position. Well, this "gunsmith" used the scope to turn the front ring! The scope tube looked like a Rottweiler had been chewing on it for about a month! When I complained to the store owner, he asked me incredulously, "Well, what do you want me to do about it?" Well, good grief, fella, I want you to replace the scope! He was giving me a hard time, so I sent the scope back to Redfield and explained the situation, and Redfield put my scope components into a new scope tube--for free. I also remember one "custom" gunsmith who would install rifle sights on riot shotguns--which often fell off after a few shots. Another gunsmith tried to talk me out of replacing the firing pin on a Winchester Model 100, which had a recall in effect on the firing pin (it could break and protrude through the firing pin hole and cause a slam fire). I replaced the firing pin myself. By the way, a friend of mine advanced a theory that the Model 100 was prone to "doubling" because the firing pin "kisses" the primer whenever the bolt pushes another cartridge into the chamber. This also happens with the AR series of rifles. That's why you should use MIL-SPEC (Military Specification) primers in such rifles, which are "harder" than regular primers and resist going off under anything than a full firing pin blow.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Jim in Mo.You flip the little lever down, flip the works attached out and down, (gun must be uncocked, dry fire if necessary!). Bolt should slide out back of reciever! If nothing else, take it to a gun smith. Most will assist you just to help fellow gun owners. Offer him a five spot for his troubles and you have valuable knowledge!Bubba

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from LowRecoil wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal,Your comments regarding the futility of most tinkering on rifles have inspired me to offer to you at no cost a splendid idea for your magazine.Field & Stream has constructed the Ultimate Something-or-other in the past. We've seen articles on the Ultimate Hunting Cabin, The Ultimate Sporting Vehicle, The Ultimate Long Underwear, etc.It occurs to me that a feature on the Ultimate Whitetail Rifle would serve two purposes: it would fit in with F&S's Ultimate Gizmo theme, and it would render tinkerage unnecessary.Talk it over with your publisher. I'll wait here to gracefully accept your thanks.I won't require a byline on the article, but if your gratitude for such a fine idea compels you to present me with the finished rifle (in 6.5x55, of course), I wouldn't object.

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Ya Ya ,..not sure where I heard this ( not an original Yohan statement) but it fits here pretty good,..A guy asks his budy who was working on his car,..hows the engine work goin ??.Buddy says well,..pretty good I think.Im done for nowDecided to put in a new engine.But,.. forgot to take the old one out.Now,...my car soes 500 mph in second gear.But I like it,..

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from Brian T wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Good shotguns for trap, skeet & sporting clays are manufactured to be adjustable. Learn to do it properly. Otherwise, learn what every visible part of your gun looks like when everything is working properly. If it ain't busted don't fix it. If a part moves, a screw starts to back out, you'll know it when you see it, so inspect everything after every shoot. Shotgun stocks need to be adjusted, just like rifle sights.

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from Pete Hansen wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

A number of years ago, while trying to save money by rebuilding a carburator on a Ford Pinto, I wound up with a handful of screws that I didn't know where they were suppose to go and took them and the carb to a mechanic to reassemble. I've adopted the same attitude toward trying to fix my own guns. Leave the fixin to the experts! Trying to fix it yourself is like giving yourself a "Do It Yourself" Lobotomy with a splitting maul and a tablespoon!

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from Shane wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I tinkered on a few guns mostly just springs, drop-ins, and wood. Until I got interested in military surplus. Mosin-Nagants, Mausers, and Swiss K-31 can be had for under 200 sometimes under 100. If you screw up you won't be asking yourself why you were stupid enough to try. But if successful you have something that can be really cool. Also there is something about the first time go at a gun and start peeling off metal. Definitely exciting.

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from Shane wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I tinkered on a few guns mostly just springs, drop-ins, and wood. Until I got interested in military surplus. Mosin-Nagants, Mausers, and Swiss K-31 can be had for under 200 sometimes under 100. If you screw up you won't be asking yourself why you were stupid enough to try. But if successfull you have something that can be really cool. Also there is something about the first time go at a gun and start peeling off metal. Definitely exciting.

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from Carney wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I've never ruined a gun by tinkering -- yet...I do however, have what was once a $1200 revolver that someone else has reduced to a $200 chunk of metal.

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from Jeff wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

I don't know, I consider tinkering to be another facet of the hobby. Just make sure you don't do anything stupid or unsafe, or deface a really nice gun.There's no reason not to throw some nicer parts in your 10/22 or MK-11. Why not install a drop-in beavertail on your 1911 if that's what you like? Just don't go messing around with trigger sears or treating a nice stock like a middle-school carpentry project.Above all, remember that tinkering can't make you a better shooter. Shooting does!

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from Peter wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Ya I once took a shotgun a part...an old H n R Topper. lol..trouble was after I took it all apart...I couldn't get it back together. My Dad was so disgusted..but a couple months later..lol..we got it back together.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Bubba,I see the take down lever but what exactly does it take down? Does slide release, etc. Don't want to get into something I'll cuss myself for later.Have a police style belt and large holster both from Uncle Mike's that makes it reasonable to carry the gun squirrel hunting but I believe a shoulder holster would be just the ticket.

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from Doug wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

If I had the money and time I spent tweaking and tinkering on my Thompson Center Encore.... and I ain't done yet.

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from PbHead wrote 6 years 4 weeks ago

Yohan, you beat me to it. I always thought the basic bolt action rifle was very popular beacuse it was the easiest to tinker with. I guess we can all thank the military for developing some close to idiot proof systems.The Brownell's series of Gunsmith Kinks books provides tons of tales of similiar woe. My expertise is this: If it moves and is not supposed to, duct tape. If if does not move and is supposed to, WD 40.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

How about instead, You Always Hurt the Gun You Love, how about, The gun you love hurt you! A Tasco 3x9x40 has a violent reactions with a shooter when mounted on a 340 Weatherby Magnum. Yep’you guest it you did and a half roll of paper towels to add to the injury and embarrassment to the Colonel that wouldn’t listen to Ol’ Serge!HERE’S YOUR SIGN!By the way, I was watching one of the Sportsmen Channels a few weeks ago and they had Jeff Foxworthy on it. I got to say, he is one hell of a shot! Impressed this old crusty NCO he did!!

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from sarg wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Jack, I used to buy rifles that need repair, fix them then resell them for a good profit.. made a little money . had fun tinkering and shot a lot of different guns. "Good Life"

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from Clay Cooper wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Dar I wuz August of 1982, hunting jack rabbits and coyotes in New Mexico with my trusty 25-06 Ruger M-77 when I tripped on a strand of barbwire laying low in the brush and crammed a cubic yard of mud up the muzzle. 2 ½ hours of rugged jeep trail and 1 ½ hours of pavement from the nearest gun cleaning rod, I decided to knock it out with a hand full of ¼ inch drill bits I had in my tool box. You quest it, game over, 45 days later and a new barrel I was back in the saddle again. One thing good came out of this, the barrel was due replacement anyhow.

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from Gerald Keller wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Since I am a working gunsmith,I love guys who "tinker" with their guns.They are some of my best and most frequent customers!One gentleman brought in a beutiful M98 8mm with a hole drilled through the front reciever ring ,barrel shank,and into the chamber.He had followed the directions in an article from a gun magazine(Not F&S or OL) on how to mount a scope.Only trouble was the author neglected to explain how deep to drill the holes.If you don't have experiencein the machine trades you shouldn't mess about.That's what my fellow gunsmiths and I are trained to do.

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from Jack Ryan wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

I just don't buy guns that NEED fixing to start with.

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from Jason wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

I think home gunsmithing is a great idea and a good way to save some cash. None of it looks very hard and maybe one day i will be dumb enough to try it.

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from Yohan wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Other than fun guns Marlin leverswhich are not terribly complicatedWhy I use Mauser 98 rifles exclusively.Simple and strong can be disasembled to the molecular level and then reassembled in no time.On three have replaced one firing pin spring,, one exctractor,.. and one sear,..in the last 35 years.The sear was my fault,.. honed it to much had to replace.spring was a precaution not a falure. extrator broke on a 6.5,.. go figure ,.. but easily replaceable.If your gonna diddle ,. do it with a Mauser

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from SilverArrow wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Save for swapping out parts on occasion I leave repairing my guns to someone competent at it! I would like to buy another Ruger 10-22 and dress it up a bit. Past that me, guns and tools don't mix!TraePlease tell us you used the brown duct tape!!!SA

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

I got a old Chinese SKS I like to tinker with. I have 4 stocks, 2 or 3 different twist on muzzle brakes, and a couple of different magazines for it. Oh yeah and a pair of receiver covers for it. I can change the looks of it all day long to suite my every whim. But I never take it apart to see how it ticks. It is fun to shoot and is a good conversation piece.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Jim in Mo.Have the same exact pistol. I do all my cleaning by field stripping. THAT can be accomplished with the take down lever on the back of the grip. Beyond that, it's gunsmith time!If it needs cleaning beyond what the instruction manual provides, go to a 'smith!Bubba

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from Thomas wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Jim in MO,Don't do it. There is a very small detent ball bearing that holds the safety in that very easy to loose. I spent the better part of a afternoon looking for a very very small steel detent ball.Tom the Troll

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from ishawooa wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

My gunsmith has a sign on his wall:Labor $50.00 per hour, $75.00 if you watch, $100.00 if you helpDave is right especially about the trap shooters. We are always looking for that lost bird and figure something is out of adjustment or needs a little tweeking to make the world perfect. It has been this way for at least 38 years and probably forever.

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

I actually worked in a small gun shop, under two different gunsmiths. There was a sign in the shop that read, "We repair FIXED guns!"It's mind boggling just how many parts there are in some firearms! The amatuer can take things apart with a ball peen hammer and a Stanley screw driver it takes a gunsmith a lathe, a mill, three new parts and a action wrench to reassemble!I DO NOT do gunsmithing, not even on my own guns. I am rather accomplished at stock repair because I like working with wood. I DO NOT restock anything, I can fix a broken stock. I, in no way, can "fit" a stock! I've tried. That's why I repair broken stocks!There is a distinct difference between "fixed" and "repaired". Right Clay Cooper!!! I'm a fixer, not a repairman!Bubba

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

I have a Ruger 22cal.LR. Mark II Target 'Government Target Model' pistol.I shoot it all the time and would like to take it completely apart and clean it, but even Ruger says don't do it unless by a competant gunsmith. So I just keep shooting and normal cleaning (by a guy of my ability)and after 10yrs and many,many,many thousands rounds that damn gun still shoots empty shot gun hulls off the bench free standing at 15 yds.

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from John B wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

When I was shooting handgun competitively I always noticed that that somewhere down the line, the guys that kept tinkering with their guns always seemed to have troubles on the firing line. I just kept my gun reasonably clean and it kept firing. Not that it helped me shoot any better, but at least I rarely had the frustration of jams part way through a string..

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from Trae B. wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

My uncle gave me a 30-30 with a split stock and said if I could fix it I could have it.I fixed it good as new.It shoots perfectly accurate to.The secrete to my succes.Duct-tape.

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from Wulffy wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

I bought a beautiful High Standard HB from a local pawn shop owner. When he got it, it wouldn't cycle so he bought a new spring and installed it, then couldn't get it back apart because he hadn't cut the spring to length. He got fed up, so I got a deal, not much over $125. I tried to get it apart, and took out way to many of the wrong screws and such. Ended up at the gunsmith with a bag of parts. He wasn't happy to see me but said he would fix it. When I went to pick it up, he demonstrated the proper way to disassemble it three times, then made me show him that I knew how to do it. All said and done I am in to it less than $300, which is still a great deal for the condition it is in.

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from Bernie Kuntz wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

I have done almost no "meddling" myself on firearms because I am a ham-handed sort who can ruin anything. I have refinished a few gunstocks that turned out OK.Many of my shotguns are pre-choke tube, so I had the chokes opened from full to modified by a guy who knows what he is doing. I also have had a couple rifles rebedded, and have had many of them restocked. But I have this work done by artisans whose work I could never hope to duplicate. I would no more consider restocking a rifle myself than trying to build a spaceship to the moon!

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from Dave M wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

When I was 14, my grandfather passed away & I rec'd the Model 12 he had shot all his life. Being a curious lad with several years of shooting but no gunsmithing experience, I stripped it down to the component parts to see what made the thing tick.The following day I sheepishly arrived at the local gun shop with the barrel, stock, and forearm in one hand and a coffee can full of misc. metal in the other and asked the proprietor for his assistance in restoring my inheritance to working order.He replied with these words: "I will fix your mess if you are willing to sit your a** on that bench over there, watch what I do, and show me that you have learned so that you don't end up destroying a fine gun."I watched and learned and every time I get the urge to meddle today I wish the old boy was still around to back me up.

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from Michael wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

much as I like to fiddle, I leave well enough alone with my guns and leave it to professionals past the basics...

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from Steve C wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Do-it-yourself projects are the sharp object to the great results/assumed financial savings balloon.My own case of home gunsmithing falls under the category of "what the most stupid and/or embarrassing thing you ever did". It would make for a pretty good feature film.

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from rob wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Dr. Ralph - Can't stop laughing....

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

Anybody want to buy an $1100 Ruger 10-22? Been there, done that...

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from Bubba wrote 6 years 5 weeks ago

THIS IS WHY I ALWAYS SHOOT A .270 Win.!!!I cut my teeth on a couple of Marlin 336's. One my dad's, the other my granddad's. When I stepped away from their guns, I stumbled into a Parker-Hale .270 Win. I had wanted a .270 since reading some of Cactus Jack's stuff. It just sounded good to a young whipper-snapper with a bad itch. I attempted to sell it to a local gunsmith for cash. He looked at me and smiled, "Have you shot that rifle, son?""No sir, I don't have any ammo and why buy a box if I'm gonna sell it?"Rummaging around under his bench, he came out with a fist full of reloads and said, "I'll buy the gun, but I suggest you go shoot it before you sell it. Just bring my brass back."That was 5 shots and 30+ years ago. I'm still shooting a Parker-Hale .270, and a Ruger No. 1. When I do my part, that is: take a rest, find proper sight picture, breathe, exhale slightly, squeeze..... I normally find a dead deer. I have seen fleeing flags before, and if I'll just sit back and close my eyes and go over the shot, generally I'll recall what "I" did wrong!Know some folks that change guns like I change TV channels, and they are never happy. They want a belted "Mangrum" or standard caliber. They want a light bullet with speed or a lead ingot just a bit faster than a 1949 Dodge dumptruck. They want a bore that looks like a hollow log or a sewing needle swage.I know the ol' .270 isn't the "Ultimate" deer gun, but it was the answer to this "maiden's prayer"!I agree Dave P.. Quit diddling around and hunt!Bubba

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