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Combat medic -

As much as I respect your service, I suspect that you haven't encountered too many wounds created by old fashioned charcoal -based 3F powder ( Goex ) with soild lead round ball at a distance of a foot and a half. How is the large hole "perfect?" Black powder with round ball ammo creates different kinds of damage than modern day FMJ and JHP ammo fired with the smokeless powders of today. BP sprays a very dirty cloud at point blank range.

I noticed that neither of you have mentioned that you shoot Black Powder. Muzzleloaders who shoot old fashioned BP know that it is messy stuff. If you only shoot smokeless modern day stuff, then you can't judge what you see. You know how messy charcoal briquets are when you handle them after burning them in the grill? Crush one up in your hands to a rough powder. It leaves a mess in your hands. Imagine it thrown at speeds from 500+ fps. Even if you just throw it hard at a piece of paper from a foot or so away, it'll leave soot. That's the same kind of stuff that old black powder has as its primary ingredient - charcoal. Not a clean burning chemical based propellant. I shoot the old fashioned stuff with these guns. Round lead balls, real 3F powder ( no substitutes ), wadding, stuffed into each individual chamber. No case. If you haven't done that, haven't experienced what it's like to shoot old cap and ball or flintlock weapons using old fashioned black powder, with round lead balls, then you're not exactly an authority on the subject. I'm sure there's a few people over at the NMLRA ( National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association ) or the SASS ( Single Action Shooting Society ) who do shoot real black powder who would agree with me on this. If you don't believe me, fine. But don't base your claims on something that is from a different experience. You can't judge what archaic guns do based on what their modern counterparts do.

Not all of the submissions are showing!!! Whats going on here?

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Huntnow-
If you haven't shot BP, then you don't know what you're talking about. And again, if you didn't notice, that large hole isn't exactly "perfect." Watch some youtube video on BP, and look at all the smoke coming out- that's a whole bunch of burning residue coming out, and it's going to splatter all over a close target, and it can also set things on fire. Again, if you don't know BP, then you are not qualified to judge what you see. That's my point. I don't critique people who shoot bows, because I don't shoot those. If you don't shoot BP, then you have no standing on leveling an accusation like you have.

Steelbird, I, and I believe combat medic, were commenting on the pic posted by kjberry. The actual cannon, not the pistol. I think we've had a misunderstanding.

No worries. The debate went on long enough I just got to thinking that we couldn't be talking about the same pic. I wish I could take you up on that beer, I was in FL last month and discovered Shock Top. That's some good stuff.

Hey all, for those who are wondering where your submissions went or why they aren't showing up in the gallery(not the "Editors picks"). For some reason the gallery doesn't keep it in order of submission date/time. It seems to be randomizing what shows on each page. For example; I kept clicking on page 2 and eventually my entry showed up. I'd be nice if that didn't happen so we know it's a fair game on what we see. The Editors hopefully see ALL entries on their end. I emailed the webmaster on this with no response. Just trying to help those out who are frustrated about "missing" entries. Good Luck all!

oh and buy the way...some people submitted the same stupid pic more than once. thanks for screwing an avid gun nut and a field and stream subscriber.

nice pics

Also its Sep 2 and some let you vte for them and some will not (Why is this?) If my photo will not let people vote for it dose this mean i am not in the running anymore?

I'm with you on that bassmaster0101. Has any one noticed the contest photos are on two different F&S web pages. Google 2011 Gun Nut Target Photo Contest then hit Click here to enter the contest for both pages and you will see. Whats up with that???

Steelbird-I love black powder, hunt with it regularly. When getting a feel for it (on paper) I never had clean holes. And yes, using plain, old musket balls, .50 cal, and "black powder substitute." At 1 1/2 foot, you might not have powder burn, but you would have at least SOME kind of residue. Black powder, even substitute, and more so the original stuff, tends to make a huge cloud of smoke that would leave some kind of trace. And at 1 1/2 foot, I would see it more likely as shredding the entire sheet because of the blast. You're not gonna convince me unless you come to where I am right now (Iraq) or my home station when I get back, and demonstrate it... by putting your cannon at 1 1/2 feet, or whatever other distance you feel comfortable, and shooting a nice, clean hole through a piece of paper. Or you could just get it on video and let me know when it hits youtube.

Hey combat medic,
As huntnow put it, no worries - I didn't quite understand how F&S had set this gallery up, and I made the mistake of thinking you were referring to my photo. "Cannon" could be a way to describe a large BP pistol -- I've heard that description before, and jumped to the wrong conclusion. KJberry is the one that needs to explain that cannon image -that doesn't look right to me either. Stay safe out there, man.

the ducks need to watch there heads next time some one yells duck it dos not me there friends are coming