
In 1919, John Moses Browning developed a heavy machine gun, which the U.S. Army adopted in 1924. Eventually designated the M2, it is very likely the most successful military weapon ever used by any armed force. Still very much in service, it has been placed on aircraft, tanks, and jeeps, and in a quadruple anti-aircraft mount. She is a heavy gal, weighing 84 pounds without any accessories, and is usually mounted on a 44-pound tripod or bolted to something that won't move. Ma Deuce fires 500 rounds per minute. What makes her so effective is not so much her absolute reliability but the cartridge for which she is chambered. The .50 BMG round is a giant version of the .30/06, sending a 750-grain bullet out of the muzzle at 2750 feet per second. For many years, a small group of riflemen have been building rifles that chamber this monster.
Twenty firms, plus smaller shops, make .50 BMG rifles at present, so there's no shortage of guns to choose from. All .50s come in either bolt-action or autoloading configurations. Of the bolt actions, a few are magazine-fed repeaters, but most are single-shots, and of these, some are conventional bolts with solid receivers, while others are of the shell-holder variety. Here, you remove the bolt from the rifle, fit a cartridge into the bolt face, reinsert cartridge and bolt, turn the bolt handle down, and let 'er buck. Many shell-holder guns are made in bullpup style, where the action lies next to your face. This saves considerable length, which is important when you're dealing with barrels that go 30 inches and over.
Weights range from 20 pounds for hunting rifles to over 100 pounds for unlimited-class competition rifles. Yenason and Henry hunt with an LAR Grizzly, which is a 30-pound shell-holder bullpup. How does one carry a 30-pound rifle? Wendy simply lays it across her pack frame and starts walking.
No .50 BMG sporting rifle that I know of has iron sights, and every one has a muzzle brake, of which there are many weird and wonderful designs, backed by numerous claims. I know only this: A .50 BMG with no muzzle brake would be unshootable. What was left of you would go directly to the orthopedic surgeon.
Only two types of scopes can take the punishment of a .50: the Leu¿¿pold Mark 4 series and the Nightforce brand. These are tactical scopes in variable power, and most shooters like 30X or more at the top end.
The price for a .50 BMG can range from $2,000 at entry level to double that. When you add on the required $1,000-plus scope, you are talking a fair amount of money.
According to John and Wendy, .50-caliber shooters were without form and shape until about 20 years ago, when a group of the most serious banded together to form the Fifty Caliber Shooters Association (fcsa.org). The goals of the FCSA were to recruit new shooters and help them become proficient, and to provide official benchrest competitions where the breed could be improved.
Since then, the .50 BMG has been changed in ways that John M. Browning could not have dreamed. Ma Deuce, like all machine guns, is designed to spray bullets, not send them into the same hole. And so mili¿¿tary .50-caliber ammo is not made with accuracy in mind. The military stuff, in a good sporting rifle, with a good shooter, will give you 4-inch groups at 100 yards, which will enable you to hit exactly nothing at 1,000.
And so manufacturers started making better .50-caliber bullets, powders, primers, and brass. The knowledge of how to load the .50 BMG spread among the brethren, and pretty soon, it began doing amazing things.
John Yenason, who is among the top competitive .50 shooters, says that before showing up at a match you should be able to put five shots in a minute of angle at 1,000 yards-"a 10-inch group. If you can get five shots in 5 inches, or half a minute of angle, you will be regarded as a serious shooter. Squeeze things down to a third of
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I have a hard time trying to believe that large amounts of meat is not wasted when an animal is shot by one of these.
I think the 50 cal is a lil over kill
unless youre hunting whales this seems like a bit of overkill, imagine how much meat is wasted
Commom man a .50 cal!? I don't think shooting any game a mile out should be considered hunting. Leave this big boy for the Army snipers.
i do not think that is very sporting. if you want to shoot that far go to a match.
Whatever you want, I guess. I think .50 cal is overkill and it makes me mad when I have to get within 100 yards with my shotgun and these guys can kill something from a mile away. It's not sporting, and I hope they know whre those bullets end up. Hate for it to kill somebody on a pass-through. Besides, the gun looks like it was made by "Nerf".
Those guns are are massive and a riot to shoot. I have never used it to hunt with and probably never will, but it is a fun gun to target practice with.
No, it's not hunting. It's long-range sniper practice on living targets. Is it a sport? Yes, because it sublimates a violent and dangerous skill into an act that does not kill humans. But hunting? No way. Where is fair chase? You might as well use a smartbomb.
come on do you really need that big of a gun a use a twenty gauge shotgun for anything that i gun hunt (i hunt turkey, deer, rabbit, geese, and ducks) and i have no problem killing any of these with my shotgun
My first thought is what animal it is you're hunting. If it is Dangerous game of a large variety (i.e. Grizzly/Brown/Polar Bears, Elephant, Hippo, Bison), then it is a lot less ridiculous than hunting an elk with it. Second, long range precision shooting is no easy task. The sheer power and range of the weapon may be a drawback, anything less than 600/700 yards would probably cause too much damage to the animal. If it is challenging to the hunter but still a humane kill, it should at least be considered. I do not own a .50 cal, and probably will never purchase one; why put limitations on those who do?
Grizzly with a .50 BMG might be really exciting. I've seen the results of one .50 BMG round on a kill, but it wasn't one where we were worried about meat. Other than that, I don't see an application in the hunting world. Suffice it to say, the .50 BMG is indeed serious overkill.
Hunting with a .50 may not require as much skill to sneak up on an animal, but the person still has to know how to use a rifle. Whether it is sporting or not is not for me to judge. Some people would say using any gun (versus bow-hunting) is not sporting... Just to clarify, I do not hunt with a .50.
The only thing I would hunt with a .50 Cal would be Osama. Or someone like him. I won't judge the guys who want one to compensate for their "shortness" ;) with one though.
Or the "Hatbackwards types wither. ;)
I could understand the use of it if you have a deer problem at the edge of a field on your land, but using it a a standard hunting gun is insane.
Why are they wearing camo? Do they use scent reduction stuff too?
I know they are compensating for one lack, and that's woodsmanship and the ability to get close to game and be stealthy. They could be having a raging party and still shoot deer. Is that hunting?
The gun John is using is not auto or semi auto it is a single shot. The .50cal BMG is overkill for the hunter who is used to 50yd out to a 300yd ethical kill shot, however these hunters do not see the ignorance in their criticism. John and Wendy are hunting, shooting and enjoying the outdoors together. Isn't this what we all are doing? We should be commending John and Wendy for forging into a new aspect of the hunting and shooting world.
>50Cal BMG is strictly a WARTIME weapon in fully automatic weapons it is not intended for or suitable in a shoulder fired weapon for recreational use. (JMNSVHO) Shooting anything smaller than an Elephant of Polar bear with one is ridiculous in the extreme, I personally would not do it. Incidentally I have fired "MA Deuce" in Wartime and had no qualms about THAT use of it.
I think a 50 cal should not be used for hunting because its over kill and if it shoots 500 yards your not realy giving the animal a chance to even know your there wich isnt fair game. I also think there not safe for hunting because If you have a bullet that goed a mile you could hurt or even kill another hunter and not even knowing it.
As primarily a mule deer hunter I use a Browning BLR .234 caliber rifle. I have had success for 23 years in single shot kills out to 450 yards. And have targeted 3" groups out to 600 yrds. If overkill is the argument here any one of you using a larger caliber than me should hang your head in shame. But I think that the real discussion is something other than caliber. It is marksmanship. Can you hit reliably at whatever distance you hunt/target. Other than that I have no argument with the caliber selection nor the use. Besides you can't argue with knockdown power in a .50!
this gun is over-powered for anything short of an elephant or cape buffalo. sure would love to turn a woodchuck inside-out from 500 yards, though.
Way to much...if you want to shoot something over a 1000 yards, shoot at a target. thats not hunting, its target practice at a live animal, which involves no hunting skill whatsoever. stupid...
Dont get me wrong, the .50BMG is a sweet gun but it has no place in the woods.
I hope that once you finish paying for the gun, you can still afford the ammunition. I would be a liar to say that I wouldn't love to get my hands on one of these. Though, under no circumstances would I be aiming it anything I plan to harvest. Living in Colorado for sometime, I came to really appreciate the stalking, and physical pursuit almost as much as the reward of filling the tag. Even if you don't care for this style of hunting, you shouldn't need to use a round that produces an exit wound the size of a watermelon to stand a pretty fair chance at a successful hunt. There are plenty of 30 cal rounds or even the smaller, faster 7mm rounds that will do the trick.
I hope that once you finish paying for the gun, you can still afford the ammunition. I would be a liar to say that I wouldn't love to get my hands on one of these. Though, under no circumstances would I be aiming it anything I plan to harvest. Living in Colorado for sometime, I came to really appreciate the stalking, and physical pursuit almost as much as the reward of filling the tag. Even if you don't care for this style of hunting, you shouldn't need to use a round that produces an exit wound the size of a watermelon to stand a pretty fair chance at a successful hunt. There are plenty of 30 cal rounds or even the smaller, faster 7mm rounds that will do the trick.
Paleolithic hunters used methods like driving herds off cliffs, which would hardly be considered sporting now a days. The concept of fair chase would be totally foreign to them and would be seen ridiculous.
This type of hunting with a large caliber at long ranges is far more sporting than that would be.
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Commom man a .50 cal!? I don't think shooting any game a mile out should be considered hunting. Leave this big boy for the Army snipers.
I have a hard time trying to believe that large amounts of meat is not wasted when an animal is shot by one of these.
I think the 50 cal is a lil over kill
unless youre hunting whales this seems like a bit of overkill, imagine how much meat is wasted
i do not think that is very sporting. if you want to shoot that far go to a match.
Whatever you want, I guess. I think .50 cal is overkill and it makes me mad when I have to get within 100 yards with my shotgun and these guys can kill something from a mile away. It's not sporting, and I hope they know whre those bullets end up. Hate for it to kill somebody on a pass-through. Besides, the gun looks like it was made by "Nerf".
Those guns are are massive and a riot to shoot. I have never used it to hunt with and probably never will, but it is a fun gun to target practice with.
No, it's not hunting. It's long-range sniper practice on living targets. Is it a sport? Yes, because it sublimates a violent and dangerous skill into an act that does not kill humans. But hunting? No way. Where is fair chase? You might as well use a smartbomb.
Grizzly with a .50 BMG might be really exciting. I've seen the results of one .50 BMG round on a kill, but it wasn't one where we were worried about meat. Other than that, I don't see an application in the hunting world. Suffice it to say, the .50 BMG is indeed serious overkill.
come on do you really need that big of a gun a use a twenty gauge shotgun for anything that i gun hunt (i hunt turkey, deer, rabbit, geese, and ducks) and i have no problem killing any of these with my shotgun
My first thought is what animal it is you're hunting. If it is Dangerous game of a large variety (i.e. Grizzly/Brown/Polar Bears, Elephant, Hippo, Bison), then it is a lot less ridiculous than hunting an elk with it. Second, long range precision shooting is no easy task. The sheer power and range of the weapon may be a drawback, anything less than 600/700 yards would probably cause too much damage to the animal. If it is challenging to the hunter but still a humane kill, it should at least be considered. I do not own a .50 cal, and probably will never purchase one; why put limitations on those who do?
Hunting with a .50 may not require as much skill to sneak up on an animal, but the person still has to know how to use a rifle. Whether it is sporting or not is not for me to judge. Some people would say using any gun (versus bow-hunting) is not sporting... Just to clarify, I do not hunt with a .50.
The only thing I would hunt with a .50 Cal would be Osama. Or someone like him. I won't judge the guys who want one to compensate for their "shortness" ;) with one though.
Or the "Hatbackwards types wither. ;)
Why are they wearing camo? Do they use scent reduction stuff too?
I know they are compensating for one lack, and that's woodsmanship and the ability to get close to game and be stealthy. They could be having a raging party and still shoot deer. Is that hunting?
The gun John is using is not auto or semi auto it is a single shot. The .50cal BMG is overkill for the hunter who is used to 50yd out to a 300yd ethical kill shot, however these hunters do not see the ignorance in their criticism. John and Wendy are hunting, shooting and enjoying the outdoors together. Isn't this what we all are doing? We should be commending John and Wendy for forging into a new aspect of the hunting and shooting world.
I could understand the use of it if you have a deer problem at the edge of a field on your land, but using it a a standard hunting gun is insane.
>50Cal BMG is strictly a WARTIME weapon in fully automatic weapons it is not intended for or suitable in a shoulder fired weapon for recreational use. (JMNSVHO) Shooting anything smaller than an Elephant of Polar bear with one is ridiculous in the extreme, I personally would not do it. Incidentally I have fired "MA Deuce" in Wartime and had no qualms about THAT use of it.
I think a 50 cal should not be used for hunting because its over kill and if it shoots 500 yards your not realy giving the animal a chance to even know your there wich isnt fair game. I also think there not safe for hunting because If you have a bullet that goed a mile you could hurt or even kill another hunter and not even knowing it.
As primarily a mule deer hunter I use a Browning BLR .234 caliber rifle. I have had success for 23 years in single shot kills out to 450 yards. And have targeted 3" groups out to 600 yrds. If overkill is the argument here any one of you using a larger caliber than me should hang your head in shame. But I think that the real discussion is something other than caliber. It is marksmanship. Can you hit reliably at whatever distance you hunt/target. Other than that I have no argument with the caliber selection nor the use. Besides you can't argue with knockdown power in a .50!
this gun is over-powered for anything short of an elephant or cape buffalo. sure would love to turn a woodchuck inside-out from 500 yards, though.
Way to much...if you want to shoot something over a 1000 yards, shoot at a target. thats not hunting, its target practice at a live animal, which involves no hunting skill whatsoever. stupid...
Dont get me wrong, the .50BMG is a sweet gun but it has no place in the woods.
I hope that once you finish paying for the gun, you can still afford the ammunition. I would be a liar to say that I wouldn't love to get my hands on one of these. Though, under no circumstances would I be aiming it anything I plan to harvest. Living in Colorado for sometime, I came to really appreciate the stalking, and physical pursuit almost as much as the reward of filling the tag. Even if you don't care for this style of hunting, you shouldn't need to use a round that produces an exit wound the size of a watermelon to stand a pretty fair chance at a successful hunt. There are plenty of 30 cal rounds or even the smaller, faster 7mm rounds that will do the trick.
I hope that once you finish paying for the gun, you can still afford the ammunition. I would be a liar to say that I wouldn't love to get my hands on one of these. Though, under no circumstances would I be aiming it anything I plan to harvest. Living in Colorado for sometime, I came to really appreciate the stalking, and physical pursuit almost as much as the reward of filling the tag. Even if you don't care for this style of hunting, you shouldn't need to use a round that produces an exit wound the size of a watermelon to stand a pretty fair chance at a successful hunt. There are plenty of 30 cal rounds or even the smaller, faster 7mm rounds that will do the trick.
Paleolithic hunters used methods like driving herds off cliffs, which would hardly be considered sporting now a days. The concept of fair chase would be totally foreign to them and would be seen ridiculous.
This type of hunting with a large caliber at long ranges is far more sporting than that would be.
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