Hunting big game with the aid of dogs is a hot topic. Some hunters say that following hounds pursuing a bear or mountain lion is very exciting, and they find joy in watching their dogs doing what they’re instinctually born to do. Others disapprove, saying that the method violates fair-chase ethics, can border on animal cruelty, and can give hunters an unfair advantage over their quarry.
If I can, I try something before I form an opinion about it. So for a few days in mid May, I joined Table Mountain Outfitters owners Scott and Angie Denny (www.tablemountainoutfitters.com), and their hounds in southwestern Idaho for a bear hunt.
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This is a well written article. Thank you for giving me a look at a type of hunting that I have no experience with
Screw you Ramons! Now there is another hunt that will take forever for me to ever be able to go one(if ever). Great story though!
Great story and great pics! I like your insights on the ethics of hound hunting Romans. I think that not only is it ethical, it's essential. Black bears and cougar are just too shy and elusive to effectively hunt any other way. Without the use of hounds, hunter success rates are too low (even with high numbers of tags sold) to make a dent in some predator populations.
Great story, the hunting gear for this hunt is extreme, I love seeing how decked out those dog hunting trucks. That bear will make a sweet rug to remember a unique hunt. What kind of boots would you recommend for this?
First off, I am a bear hunter and thrill to the sound of a chase. A good many years ago, I dropped my subscription to F&S because of a backpage article that was anti-hound. A few years back, I subscribed again, so when I saw this article I thought "Here we go again". Not so, this is a good and fair representation of hunting with hounds and I thank you for it. Be warned, it is addictive, you will go again. Thanks.
cool i whould like to try (when i am a little loder maybye 14 or 15)
I made friends with a hound hunter while I was going to school. I had never hunted bears with hounds before, and had never shot a bear. That old man took me out every weekend until I shot a 6'4" bear east of Princeton, ID. In northern Idaho the only way to hunt bears is with bait or hounds. The forest is so thick you cant see 10 feet in front of you in some places. No bears would be harvested if you couldn't hunt with these two practices. Don't judge hound hunters until you've been hound hunting. I did and I was wrong.
Any body that thinks keepin up with dogs on a lion or bear hunt is easy then they have not done it. Great story and congrats on a great hunt.
I grew up around hounds and have always loved them. Thanks for the great article, many never come to understand the time and effort that goes into hunting with hounds. I've had to give up hunting deer and hogs with hounds because of the amount of money it cost me. I saved for many,many years to have a place of my own to hunt, but found I had to choose between my own place or paying for leases to run my hounds. If home construction ever comes back and I am still able,,I would love to do both again.
The Sierra Club IS an anti-hunting and anti-gun organization. I quit the club years ago for that reason. When I lived in NJ- they fought against every single pro-hunting measure. Their funding comes from big city liberals and government largess. Typical left of center group using your tax dollars against you.
great article great photos thanks
Awsome article!!! Being a bear hunter with hounds I could not express it better. The thrill when you hear the hounds pick up the scent. I kind of amazing that you can tell what the dog is doing by the sound of its bark. He is asolutly right, people have a big misunderstanding whats its really like. Awesome!
Kyle, when is your bear hunt you were talking about some time back, and if it's already been, how'd it go?
This is one "sport" that should become illegal in every state, and the sooner the better.
Ellen you are preachin to the wrong people on this site. But dont worry before to long Id wont have a bear season because the wolves will have killed them all.
I'm from Tn, and here, where baiting bear isn't legal, you have to use dogs to hunt them. If you didn't, you the number of bear harvested would drop considerably and the bear population would rise even higher than it already has, which is beginning to become an issue anyway. Bear and boar hunting with hounds, especially east Tn, is a part of our heritage, and we will continue to take part in it every fall.
Plain and simple: Bear hunting w hounds is NOT ethical hunting by humans. There's no fair chase, and GPS collars make it the same as an electronic video game. No matter how you cut it, it's "dog hunting." Any attempts to defend it or glamorize it give all of us a bad rap. The thrill of the hunt should be based on our own individual efforts. If a hunter can't handle it, he doesn't belong out there.
Predator OVER population wouldn't happen if nature was allowed to take its natural course. Predators take out the smallest and the weakest--guess what's left? It's a mistake to go after them.
Jim you are confused and watch to many nature shows, they only show you what you want to see. Predators dont just eat the old and weak, wolves will devour anything in their path and may be you should try running behind some bear dogs once in awhile and then tell me how lazy it is, I know people that just like to run bear and dont even harvest. And the over population would'nt happen if treehuggers would mind their bussiness.
Superb article and excellent pics. Hound hunting is very ethical, and it costs more than lazy hunting where you just putt up a stand and bait sight. Anyone on this web sight who thinks hound hunting is unethical either is, or should be a member of P.E.T.A.
Again great article, you hit a real home run with this one! Keep up the good work Ben.(aka keep ticking of those anti's)
007,
WI bear season not until Setember. Can't WAIT!!!!
I hate people knocking off bear hunting with hounds. If you never tried first hand than keep quite. There is alot alot more work than you would ever realize. Its not what they think its like. Dump dogs on a bear 5 minutes later it's in the tree. I been on chases up to 6 hours!! Alot of times the bears out smart the hounds and we never seen the bear! Like I said before and I will say it again!! Don't knock off something that you never tried!! Try it once I bet you your attiude about hunting with hounds will make a 180!
Let em sing Let em sing from the hills to the hollers. Nothin gets your blood goin like hounds on a trail whether it's beagles, Walkers, Red Bones, Blueticks etc.
Let em sing Let em sing from the hills to the hollers. Nothin gets your blood goin like hounds on a trail whether it's beagles, Walkers, Red Bones, Blueticks etc.
I live in Northern California, I know several hunters that run hounds. They are mostly good people. They put a lot of work and money into their dogs. They hike numerous miles chasing their dogs. No doubt, it must be exiting. (I enjoyed training my lab to retrieve, I also enjoy hiking miles into the wilderness, especially cross country, and I also spend money and time on various things.) But that don't make me a good hunter. I compare running dogs for bear to high fence hunting. The fence traps the dear, and the dogs use the bears natural fear to trap it up a tree. All the hunter does is shoot a trapped animal out of a tree. Now, I'm not a tree hugger as some would say (I work in a sawmill), and I do hunt bear...WITHOUT dogs or bait (bait is illegal here). Since 1994, I have harvested 8 bears (3 by archery and 5 by rifle) My oldest son took his first bear at age 15, his brother took his first of two bears with a bow at age 14, and their younger brother has harvested two bears by the age of 16. All were taken from the ground. When you have HUNTED to within 20 to 30 yards of a nice boar while archery hunting, you have done some serious hunting. I am not against using hounds to harvest bears, I just don't see it as fair chase hunting. It is not the same as you besting an animals senses to harvest it.
orion13 I used to live in Ca where are you from?
Trinity County... you?
Grew up in Lodi.
Great story! and congrats on the bear!
One question though, what kind of hounds were they using?
I have always wondered what kind of dogs they use for that type of hunting.
To Jim regarding predation on the weak and infirmed, tell that to my sheep farmer friends who lose numerous healthy ewes and lambs every year to coyotes and bears. Without the collars, how do you propose that one finds his dogs after they're out of hearing? Please do not criticize until you've tried it. Ditto to orion13. We normally tree 40 or so each year and might harvest 8-10, and then only when it is a mature animal. We do NOT take every bear we tree, nor do we tree every bear we run. You are a bit uninformed in that respect. Matt, those are Walkers in the pictures. Our gang has a mixture of blueticks, plotts, redbones, redticks, and walkers.
They're beautiful dogs.
I agree 007 don't knock it til you try it.
To 007, You said "We do NOT take every bear we tree, nor do we tree every bear we run. You are a bit uninformed in that respect." I read my post over and over and I did not see where I said anything remotely like that. I am aware that bears don't always tree and that only the bigger bears are shot. I too have learned to only take mature bears (I have a rug that is 7'1"x7'2" and an archery rug that is 7'0"x6'11") As for trying it first... well there are a lot of things that people do for kicks that I wouldn't try. Are you suggesting that I try anything once? But then again, my oldest son did try dog hunting in 2008. He said chasing the dogs was fun but it wasn't as rewarding as actually hunting them. I've heard guys boast about taking an archery bear only to find out that it was a treed bear. They say it is a hard shot because of the angle, I say practice your shot first. This is nowhere near as difficult and challenging as sticking a bear at 18yds from the ground with no gun to back you up. FOR THE RECORD...I DID NOT SAY THAT RUNNING DOGS IS UNETHICAL OR MORALLY BAD. I just stated that, all though it is hard work, expensive and, oh yeah, the dogs are cute, it is not in the same league in regards to fair chase hunting as you vs the bear. One last question...Do you high fence hunt? If not, would you? Why not try it? People that do, think its great. And they don't always shoot every animal they see. And remember...don't knock it unless you've tried it! ;)
I didn't know PETA had a clothing line. Orion, touche' up to a point. I thought I'd like to try one with my bow until I saw the hide come off the first one or two and saw that thick hide, that layer of fat, those big bones, and those muscles, and then thought better of it, so if you are consistently successful and ethical, my hat is off to you. However, as you state, we put a lot of time and sweat into our dogs and I think to compare it to high fence is an unfair comparison at best. We as hunters need to stick together, especially in the face of the BS that we experienced on this post from our friend roneoo. By the way, the last bear I took was at the end of a three hour walk to the tree, where three dogs kept the bear up until we could get there. That to me is a rug well earned by all involved, dogs and men.
A great read, thanks for sharing. There are lots of mis-informed people out there when it comes to hound hunting....anyone that thinks it a lazy mans hunt and says so, immediatley shows his ignorance card...some of the hardest hunts I've ever been on were behind dogs...the time and effort it takes to have good bear or lion hounds is more than most could ever even think to attempt, let alone trying to chase these amazing athletes through country like we have here in Idaho....I'm just sad that I haven't been out hound hunting in a couple years, most of my friends that I ran with have given up the sport because of loosing dogs to the wolves, and others have had to get real jobs that limit their time, as having good hounds is something you almost have to work at full time....
007...I got a little carried away with a couple of comments, SORRY, my bad. Also, idahooutdoors, any form of bear hunting is far from a lazy mans hunt. Running dogs is definitely the most work prior to the kill and is dependent on where you are and how much help you have after the kill. Slow and quiet is my preference, with a lot of extended stops to interpret noises. So I hardly break a sweat. That all changes after the kill, because most of the time I hunt solo, at most I have one of my boys with me. It means quartering up the the bear and making several trips. As for bow hunting...patience is key. I shoot a much older compound (50% let off, 75lbs). Only shots under 30 yards on a bear full broadside to quartering away. Near side front leg must be forward. A good double lung shot and a bear will pile up within 100 yards. In my experience bears cannot see full camo unless you move. I've had younger bears come to within 10 feet before scenting me. It gets your heart pounding. Anyway, because I worship the quiet solitude of hunting solo (I understand the risks), I can honestly say that running dogs is not for me. 007 is 100% correct in saying that we must all stick together. Peace and good luck to all hunters.
Orion, I too enjoy the solitude with my bow for deer or sitting on a hardwood ridge with my Contender in my lap watching for the next squirrel, but also thrill to the sound of the hounds. A friend of mine once said that it was a good thing that we didn't all like the same thing or there wouldn't be enough to go around. Thanks, ditto, and good hunting.
To Jim Cather, spoke with some of my sheep farming friends last night. One of them lost 31 ewes in 30 days to a mixture of coyotes and black bear. The average ewe is worth about $130, according to the owner. Muliply that by 31 and you get a loss of $4,030.00. How would YOU like to absorb that loss?
It's about time that someone got the word out about the utter excitement of bear hunting with hounds. I do so myself in Wisconsin up in Dairyland. There is nothing more exhillarating about hunting bears with hounds. If you get the chance to do it you'll want to do it again and again because there is simply no better way to hunt anything in the world. Redticks, Blueticks, Black and Tans, Walkers, and Plotts and bears are all you need to experience the greatest hunt of your life. I'm able to do it every weekend and while you might not be able to, try it one time and you will be hooked and ready to do it again.
sounds like a good way to get your dog killt but what do i know about bear hunting
HHHMMM. Dogs and Bears... this puts me in mind of the great ben lilly. wish i had the opportunity to do so my self.... this is a finely written article and i hope that this sport never dies out. there is truly something special in hunting with dogs. our ancestors did it.. and as far as i can tell the only thing better than hunting or fishing... is more hunting and fishing.
Great article on hunting with hounds; look forward to more just like it.
"I'm the top bear hunting enthusiast on F&S!"
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Jim you are confused and watch to many nature shows, they only show you what you want to see. Predators dont just eat the old and weak, wolves will devour anything in their path and may be you should try running behind some bear dogs once in awhile and then tell me how lazy it is, I know people that just like to run bear and dont even harvest. And the over population would'nt happen if treehuggers would mind their bussiness.
First off, I am a bear hunter and thrill to the sound of a chase. A good many years ago, I dropped my subscription to F&S because of a backpage article that was anti-hound. A few years back, I subscribed again, so when I saw this article I thought "Here we go again". Not so, this is a good and fair representation of hunting with hounds and I thank you for it. Be warned, it is addictive, you will go again. Thanks.
Any body that thinks keepin up with dogs on a lion or bear hunt is easy then they have not done it. Great story and congrats on a great hunt.
The Sierra Club IS an anti-hunting and anti-gun organization. I quit the club years ago for that reason. When I lived in NJ- they fought against every single pro-hunting measure. Their funding comes from big city liberals and government largess. Typical left of center group using your tax dollars against you.
This is a well written article. Thank you for giving me a look at a type of hunting that I have no experience with
I made friends with a hound hunter while I was going to school. I had never hunted bears with hounds before, and had never shot a bear. That old man took me out every weekend until I shot a 6'4" bear east of Princeton, ID. In northern Idaho the only way to hunt bears is with bait or hounds. The forest is so thick you cant see 10 feet in front of you in some places. No bears would be harvested if you couldn't hunt with these two practices. Don't judge hound hunters until you've been hound hunting. I did and I was wrong.
I grew up around hounds and have always loved them. Thanks for the great article, many never come to understand the time and effort that goes into hunting with hounds. I've had to give up hunting deer and hogs with hounds because of the amount of money it cost me. I saved for many,many years to have a place of my own to hunt, but found I had to choose between my own place or paying for leases to run my hounds. If home construction ever comes back and I am still able,,I would love to do both again.
Awsome article!!! Being a bear hunter with hounds I could not express it better. The thrill when you hear the hounds pick up the scent. I kind of amazing that you can tell what the dog is doing by the sound of its bark. He is asolutly right, people have a big misunderstanding whats its really like. Awesome!
Screw you Ramons! Now there is another hunt that will take forever for me to ever be able to go one(if ever). Great story though!
Great story, the hunting gear for this hunt is extreme, I love seeing how decked out those dog hunting trucks. That bear will make a sweet rug to remember a unique hunt. What kind of boots would you recommend for this?
cool i whould like to try (when i am a little loder maybye 14 or 15)
007,
WI bear season not until Setember. Can't WAIT!!!!
I hate people knocking off bear hunting with hounds. If you never tried first hand than keep quite. There is alot alot more work than you would ever realize. Its not what they think its like. Dump dogs on a bear 5 minutes later it's in the tree. I been on chases up to 6 hours!! Alot of times the bears out smart the hounds and we never seen the bear! Like I said before and I will say it again!! Don't knock off something that you never tried!! Try it once I bet you your attiude about hunting with hounds will make a 180!
Let em sing Let em sing from the hills to the hollers. Nothin gets your blood goin like hounds on a trail whether it's beagles, Walkers, Red Bones, Blueticks etc.
I live in Northern California, I know several hunters that run hounds. They are mostly good people. They put a lot of work and money into their dogs. They hike numerous miles chasing their dogs. No doubt, it must be exiting. (I enjoyed training my lab to retrieve, I also enjoy hiking miles into the wilderness, especially cross country, and I also spend money and time on various things.) But that don't make me a good hunter. I compare running dogs for bear to high fence hunting. The fence traps the dear, and the dogs use the bears natural fear to trap it up a tree. All the hunter does is shoot a trapped animal out of a tree. Now, I'm not a tree hugger as some would say (I work in a sawmill), and I do hunt bear...WITHOUT dogs or bait (bait is illegal here). Since 1994, I have harvested 8 bears (3 by archery and 5 by rifle) My oldest son took his first bear at age 15, his brother took his first of two bears with a bow at age 14, and their younger brother has harvested two bears by the age of 16. All were taken from the ground. When you have HUNTED to within 20 to 30 yards of a nice boar while archery hunting, you have done some serious hunting. I am not against using hounds to harvest bears, I just don't see it as fair chase hunting. It is not the same as you besting an animals senses to harvest it.
To 007, You said "We do NOT take every bear we tree, nor do we tree every bear we run. You are a bit uninformed in that respect." I read my post over and over and I did not see where I said anything remotely like that. I am aware that bears don't always tree and that only the bigger bears are shot. I too have learned to only take mature bears (I have a rug that is 7'1"x7'2" and an archery rug that is 7'0"x6'11") As for trying it first... well there are a lot of things that people do for kicks that I wouldn't try. Are you suggesting that I try anything once? But then again, my oldest son did try dog hunting in 2008. He said chasing the dogs was fun but it wasn't as rewarding as actually hunting them. I've heard guys boast about taking an archery bear only to find out that it was a treed bear. They say it is a hard shot because of the angle, I say practice your shot first. This is nowhere near as difficult and challenging as sticking a bear at 18yds from the ground with no gun to back you up. FOR THE RECORD...I DID NOT SAY THAT RUNNING DOGS IS UNETHICAL OR MORALLY BAD. I just stated that, all though it is hard work, expensive and, oh yeah, the dogs are cute, it is not in the same league in regards to fair chase hunting as you vs the bear. One last question...Do you high fence hunt? If not, would you? Why not try it? People that do, think its great. And they don't always shoot every animal they see. And remember...don't knock it unless you've tried it! ;)
I didn't know PETA had a clothing line. Orion, touche' up to a point. I thought I'd like to try one with my bow until I saw the hide come off the first one or two and saw that thick hide, that layer of fat, those big bones, and those muscles, and then thought better of it, so if you are consistently successful and ethical, my hat is off to you. However, as you state, we put a lot of time and sweat into our dogs and I think to compare it to high fence is an unfair comparison at best. We as hunters need to stick together, especially in the face of the BS that we experienced on this post from our friend roneoo. By the way, the last bear I took was at the end of a three hour walk to the tree, where three dogs kept the bear up until we could get there. That to me is a rug well earned by all involved, dogs and men.
Orion, I too enjoy the solitude with my bow for deer or sitting on a hardwood ridge with my Contender in my lap watching for the next squirrel, but also thrill to the sound of the hounds. A friend of mine once said that it was a good thing that we didn't all like the same thing or there wouldn't be enough to go around. Thanks, ditto, and good hunting.
It's about time that someone got the word out about the utter excitement of bear hunting with hounds. I do so myself in Wisconsin up in Dairyland. There is nothing more exhillarating about hunting bears with hounds. If you get the chance to do it you'll want to do it again and again because there is simply no better way to hunt anything in the world. Redticks, Blueticks, Black and Tans, Walkers, and Plotts and bears are all you need to experience the greatest hunt of your life. I'm able to do it every weekend and while you might not be able to, try it one time and you will be hooked and ready to do it again.
Great story and great pics! I like your insights on the ethics of hound hunting Romans. I think that not only is it ethical, it's essential. Black bears and cougar are just too shy and elusive to effectively hunt any other way. Without the use of hounds, hunter success rates are too low (even with high numbers of tags sold) to make a dent in some predator populations.
great article great photos thanks
Ellen you are preachin to the wrong people on this site. But dont worry before to long Id wont have a bear season because the wolves will have killed them all.
I'm from Tn, and here, where baiting bear isn't legal, you have to use dogs to hunt them. If you didn't, you the number of bear harvested would drop considerably and the bear population would rise even higher than it already has, which is beginning to become an issue anyway. Bear and boar hunting with hounds, especially east Tn, is a part of our heritage, and we will continue to take part in it every fall.
Superb article and excellent pics. Hound hunting is very ethical, and it costs more than lazy hunting where you just putt up a stand and bait sight. Anyone on this web sight who thinks hound hunting is unethical either is, or should be a member of P.E.T.A.
Again great article, you hit a real home run with this one! Keep up the good work Ben.(aka keep ticking of those anti's)
Great story! and congrats on the bear!
One question though, what kind of hounds were they using?
I have always wondered what kind of dogs they use for that type of hunting.
To Jim regarding predation on the weak and infirmed, tell that to my sheep farmer friends who lose numerous healthy ewes and lambs every year to coyotes and bears. Without the collars, how do you propose that one finds his dogs after they're out of hearing? Please do not criticize until you've tried it. Ditto to orion13. We normally tree 40 or so each year and might harvest 8-10, and then only when it is a mature animal. We do NOT take every bear we tree, nor do we tree every bear we run. You are a bit uninformed in that respect. Matt, those are Walkers in the pictures. Our gang has a mixture of blueticks, plotts, redbones, redticks, and walkers.
They're beautiful dogs.
I agree 007 don't knock it til you try it.
A great read, thanks for sharing. There are lots of mis-informed people out there when it comes to hound hunting....anyone that thinks it a lazy mans hunt and says so, immediatley shows his ignorance card...some of the hardest hunts I've ever been on were behind dogs...the time and effort it takes to have good bear or lion hounds is more than most could ever even think to attempt, let alone trying to chase these amazing athletes through country like we have here in Idaho....I'm just sad that I haven't been out hound hunting in a couple years, most of my friends that I ran with have given up the sport because of loosing dogs to the wolves, and others have had to get real jobs that limit their time, as having good hounds is something you almost have to work at full time....
007...I got a little carried away with a couple of comments, SORRY, my bad. Also, idahooutdoors, any form of bear hunting is far from a lazy mans hunt. Running dogs is definitely the most work prior to the kill and is dependent on where you are and how much help you have after the kill. Slow and quiet is my preference, with a lot of extended stops to interpret noises. So I hardly break a sweat. That all changes after the kill, because most of the time I hunt solo, at most I have one of my boys with me. It means quartering up the the bear and making several trips. As for bow hunting...patience is key. I shoot a much older compound (50% let off, 75lbs). Only shots under 30 yards on a bear full broadside to quartering away. Near side front leg must be forward. A good double lung shot and a bear will pile up within 100 yards. In my experience bears cannot see full camo unless you move. I've had younger bears come to within 10 feet before scenting me. It gets your heart pounding. Anyway, because I worship the quiet solitude of hunting solo (I understand the risks), I can honestly say that running dogs is not for me. 007 is 100% correct in saying that we must all stick together. Peace and good luck to all hunters.
Great article on hunting with hounds; look forward to more just like it.
"I'm the top bear hunting enthusiast on F&S!"
Kyle, when is your bear hunt you were talking about some time back, and if it's already been, how'd it go?
Let em sing Let em sing from the hills to the hollers. Nothin gets your blood goin like hounds on a trail whether it's beagles, Walkers, Red Bones, Blueticks etc.
orion13 I used to live in Ca where are you from?
Trinity County... you?
Grew up in Lodi.
To Jim Cather, spoke with some of my sheep farming friends last night. One of them lost 31 ewes in 30 days to a mixture of coyotes and black bear. The average ewe is worth about $130, according to the owner. Muliply that by 31 and you get a loss of $4,030.00. How would YOU like to absorb that loss?
sounds like a good way to get your dog killt but what do i know about bear hunting
HHHMMM. Dogs and Bears... this puts me in mind of the great ben lilly. wish i had the opportunity to do so my self.... this is a finely written article and i hope that this sport never dies out. there is truly something special in hunting with dogs. our ancestors did it.. and as far as i can tell the only thing better than hunting or fishing... is more hunting and fishing.
Plain and simple: Bear hunting w hounds is NOT ethical hunting by humans. There's no fair chase, and GPS collars make it the same as an electronic video game. No matter how you cut it, it's "dog hunting." Any attempts to defend it or glamorize it give all of us a bad rap. The thrill of the hunt should be based on our own individual efforts. If a hunter can't handle it, he doesn't belong out there.
Predator OVER population wouldn't happen if nature was allowed to take its natural course. Predators take out the smallest and the weakest--guess what's left? It's a mistake to go after them.
This is one "sport" that should become illegal in every state, and the sooner the better.
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