You don’t have to spend too much time bumming around the gun dog world before you hear people pitting field trial dogs against meat dogs. The way I often hear it related, the field trial dog is one of style, grace, speed, and good looks, while the meat dog is a nose to the ground, hard charging, no-nonsense workhorse. Almost a white-collar, blue-collar distinction, if you will.
A fellow in the field trial camp put it this way (in a hunting forum) when it came to bird dogs recently:
OTMBoykins said it well.
The best bird dog I ever had was a German short-haired pointer from dual blood lines. He was steady on point, but not to wing and shot, meaning he took off when the bird took off, and usually caught the bird on the first bounce. That would have cost him points in a field trial.
He also dropped the bird at my feet instead of handing it to me while sitting. I found I could live with that.
IMHO, he was field trial material, but I had failed to train him to his full potential because it wasn't worth the effort.
I'll admit, though, that it is a thing of beauty to watch a finished field trial dog work. They are meat dogs with all the trimmings.
Thirty-odd years ago I got a pistol permit for the county in which I live, and because the law was so vague I asked the detective who processed my application what it meant in real terms when it came to carrying the gat.
“We don’t care what you do,” he said. “Just don’t go showing it off in public.” This was good advice 30 years ago, and it still is.
I believe that Wisconsin and Illinois are the only two states that do not recognize the right to concealed carry at all, and have no provision for licensing private citizens. As I understand it, there is no law in Wisconsin against carrying openly, but the citizens who try this in public are subject having the police put them on the ground and disarm them until they determine that the citizen is within his rights.
I can understand Wisconsin Ben's bitterness with this arrangement, and wish him luck in fighting for his rights. I don't hold much hope for Illinois, but IMHO, Wisconsin should be one of the "shall issue" states.
Thirty-odd years ago I got a pistol permit for the county in which I live, and because the law was so vague I asked the detective who processed my application what it meant in real terms when it came to carrying the gat.
“We don’t care what you do,” he said. “Just don’t go showing it off in public.” This was good advice 30 years ago, and it still is.
Pave Pusher-
Are we to understand that if someone were to cite NINE instances in which the person carrying openly was the first one shot in a crime that you would not be impressed?
Having declared in 2008 (District of Columbia vs. Heller) that the federal government may not prohibit gun ownership, the Supreme Court has agreed to hear McDonald vs. Chicago, which will decide whether states and cities can just say no to guns. We should get a decision from the Supremes in June, and it appears right now that they will rule, 5-4, that Mr. McDonald may buy a handgun and keep it in his home. This will be good for all gun owners, because it will not only affect Chicago, but will enable challenges to other gun-strangling laws in other municipalities.
Even that one vote margin is not guaranteed. Justice Kennedy voted with us in the Heller case, but he has previously sided with local government over citizens' rights in other matters.
In Heller, the Court had to decide whether the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right, as opposed to a collective right, to bear arms. Here in the Chicago case, the Court has to decide whether the Second Amendment secures that right against infringement by state and local governments.
When Chicago passed a ban on handgun ownership in 1982, it was part of a trend. Washington, D.C., had done it in 1976, and a few Chicago suburbs took up the cause…expect[ing] to reduce the number of guns and thus curtail bloodshed….
In the years following its ban, Washington did not generate a decline in gun murders. In fact, the number of killings rose by 156 percent — at a time when murders nationally increased by just 32 percent….
I think that crime statistics are completely irrelevant to the most dedicated gun control people because they were never motivated by the prevalence of crime in the first place.
Having declared in 2008 (District of Columbia vs. Heller) that the federal government may not prohibit gun ownership, the Supreme Court has agreed to hear McDonald vs. Chicago, which will decide whether states and cities can just say no to guns. We should get a decision from the Supremes in June, and it appears right now that they will rule, 5-4, that Mr. McDonald may buy a handgun and keep it in his home. This will be good for all gun owners, because it will not only affect Chicago, but will enable challenges to other gun-strangling laws in other municipalities.
I respectfully disgree with stanleyda that FOOLS have control of all three branches of government. Only two of them, the executive and the legislative. By a slim 5 to 4 majority, the judiciary is controlled by wise men.
This opinion is subject to change, depending on how the McDonald case turns out.
My friend Mitch Hagen (pictured) is a hard core deer hunter. I use this as an all-encompassing term than includes whitetail knowledge, hunting skill, shooting ability and a year-round fascination with deer. Mitch balances this passion with a full-time job as a contractor and a strong commitment to his family. I’ve known some hardcore hunters over the years who let their enthusiasm for hunting compromise their true responsibilities. Not Mitch.
Having declared in 2008 (District of Columbia vs. Heller) that the federal government may not prohibit gun ownership, the Supreme Court has agreed to hear McDonald vs. Chicago, which will decide whether states and cities can just say no to guns. We should get a decision from the Supremes in June, and it appears right now that they will rule, 5-4, that Mr. McDonald may buy a handgun and keep it in his home. This will be good for all gun owners, because it will not only affect Chicago, but will enable challenges to other gun-strangling laws in other municipalities.
From the Watertown Daily Times: MASSENA — The state Department of Environmental Conservation insists there is not a mountain lion population in New York.
Massena's Donald J. Lucas believes otherwise, and said he has hair and plaster paw prints to prove there are not one, but two in the Massena area.
I agree with oddball030. In California, where mountain lions are really numerous, 60% of reported sightings turn out to be erroneous. The most common creature mistaken for a mountain lion is the golden retriever.
Having declared in 2008 (District of Columbia vs. Heller) that the federal government may not prohibit gun ownership, the Supreme Court has agreed to hear McDonald vs. Chicago, which will decide whether states and cities can just say no to guns. We should get a decision from the Supremes in June, and it appears right now that they will rule, 5-4, that Mr. McDonald may buy a handgun and keep it in his home. This will be good for all gun owners, because it will not only affect Chicago, but will enable challenges to other gun-strangling laws in other municipalities.
With regard to restrictions, it does not seem likely that the Court will venture beyond the scope of its ruling in the Heller case. If the decision goes our way, the most we can reasonably hope for is to have the 2nd Amendment declared binding on the states and their political subdivisions, with the question of reasonableness of restrictions left to future courts to determine.
Which is okay. That would be a BIG win for us.
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Field Trial Dog vs. Meat Dog34
You don’t have to spend too much time bumming around the gun dog world before you hear people pitting field trial dogs against meat dogs. The way I often hear it related, the field trial dog is one of style, grace, speed, and good looks, while the meat dog is a nose to the ground, hard charging, no-nonsense workhorse. Almost a white-collar, blue-collar distinction, if you will.
A fellow in the field trial camp put it this way (in a hunting forum) when it came to bird dogs recently:
OTMBoykins said it well. The best bird dog I ever had was a German short-haired pointer from dual blood lines. He was steady on point, but not to wing and shot, meaning he took off when the bird took off, and usually caught the bird on the first bounce. That would have cost him points in a field trial. He also dropped the bird at my feet instead of handing it to me while sitting. I found I could live with that. IMHO, he was field trial material, but I had failed to train him to his full potential because it wasn't worth the effort. I'll admit, though, that it is a thing of beauty to watch a finished field trial dog work. They are meat dogs with all the trimmings.
Petzal: Just Because You Can148
Thirty-odd years ago I got a pistol permit for the county in which I live, and because the law was so vague I asked the detective who processed my application what it meant in real terms when it came to carrying the gat.
“We don’t care what you do,” he said. “Just don’t go showing it off in public.” This was good advice 30 years ago, and it still is.
I believe that Wisconsin and Illinois are the only two states that do not recognize the right to concealed carry at all, and have no provision for licensing private citizens. As I understand it, there is no law in Wisconsin against carrying openly, but the citizens who try this in public are subject having the police put them on the ground and disarm them until they determine that the citizen is within his rights. I can understand Wisconsin Ben's bitterness with this arrangement, and wish him luck in fighting for his rights. I don't hold much hope for Illinois, but IMHO, Wisconsin should be one of the "shall issue" states.
Petzal: Just Because You Can148
Thirty-odd years ago I got a pistol permit for the county in which I live, and because the law was so vague I asked the detective who processed my application what it meant in real terms when it came to carrying the gat.
“We don’t care what you do,” he said. “Just don’t go showing it off in public.” This was good advice 30 years ago, and it still is.
Pave Pusher- Are we to understand that if someone were to cite NINE instances in which the person carrying openly was the first one shot in a crime that you would not be impressed?
Petzal: Another Supreme Moment81
Having declared in 2008 (District of Columbia vs. Heller) that the federal government may not prohibit gun ownership, the Supreme Court has agreed to hear McDonald vs. Chicago, which will decide whether states and cities can just say no to guns. We should get a decision from the Supremes in June, and it appears right now that they will rule, 5-4, that Mr. McDonald may buy a handgun and keep it in his home. This will be good for all gun owners, because it will not only affect Chicago, but will enable challenges to other gun-strangling laws in other municipalities.
Even that one vote margin is not guaranteed. Justice Kennedy voted with us in the Heller case, but he has previously sided with local government over citizens' rights in other matters. In Heller, the Court had to decide whether the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right, as opposed to a collective right, to bear arms. Here in the Chicago case, the Court has to decide whether the Second Amendment secures that right against infringement by state and local governments.
Chicago Tribune: “City Gun Ordinances. . . A Failure”59
From a Tribune editorial:
When Chicago passed a ban on handgun ownership in 1982, it was part of a trend. Washington, D.C., had done it in 1976, and a few Chicago suburbs took up the cause…expect[ing] to reduce the number of guns and thus curtail bloodshed….
In the years following its ban, Washington did not generate a decline in gun murders. In fact, the number of killings rose by 156 percent — at a time when murders nationally increased by just 32 percent….
I think that crime statistics are completely irrelevant to the most dedicated gun control people because they were never motivated by the prevalence of crime in the first place.
Petzal: Another Supreme Moment81
Having declared in 2008 (District of Columbia vs. Heller) that the federal government may not prohibit gun ownership, the Supreme Court has agreed to hear McDonald vs. Chicago, which will decide whether states and cities can just say no to guns. We should get a decision from the Supremes in June, and it appears right now that they will rule, 5-4, that Mr. McDonald may buy a handgun and keep it in his home. This will be good for all gun owners, because it will not only affect Chicago, but will enable challenges to other gun-strangling laws in other municipalities.
I respectfully disgree with stanleyda that FOOLS have control of all three branches of government. Only two of them, the executive and the legislative. By a slim 5 to 4 majority, the judiciary is controlled by wise men. This opinion is subject to change, depending on how the McDonald case turns out.
Bestul: One Man's Booner23
My friend Mitch Hagen (pictured) is a hard core deer hunter. I use this as an all-encompassing term than includes whitetail knowledge, hunting skill, shooting ability and a year-round fascination with deer. Mitch balances this passion with a full-time job as a contractor and a strong commitment to his family. I’ve known some hardcore hunters over the years who let their enthusiasm for hunting compromise their true responsibilities. Not Mitch.
A beautiful trophy and a great "fair chase" story to go with it. It will make a very impressive mount.
Petzal: Another Supreme Moment81
Having declared in 2008 (District of Columbia vs. Heller) that the federal government may not prohibit gun ownership, the Supreme Court has agreed to hear McDonald vs. Chicago, which will decide whether states and cities can just say no to guns. We should get a decision from the Supremes in June, and it appears right now that they will rule, 5-4, that Mr. McDonald may buy a handgun and keep it in his home. This will be good for all gun owners, because it will not only affect Chicago, but will enable challenges to other gun-strangling laws in other municipalities.
Didn't Bill Clinton have a half-witted half-brother running around trying to sell pardons in the final days?
Man Claims To Have Proof Of Mountain Lions In Upstate New York26
From the Watertown Daily Times:
MASSENA — The state Department of Environmental Conservation insists there is not a mountain lion population in New York.
Massena's Donald J. Lucas believes otherwise, and said he has hair and plaster paw prints to prove there are not one, but two in the Massena area.
I agree with oddball030. In California, where mountain lions are really numerous, 60% of reported sightings turn out to be erroneous. The most common creature mistaken for a mountain lion is the golden retriever.
Petzal: Another Supreme Moment81
Having declared in 2008 (District of Columbia vs. Heller) that the federal government may not prohibit gun ownership, the Supreme Court has agreed to hear McDonald vs. Chicago, which will decide whether states and cities can just say no to guns. We should get a decision from the Supremes in June, and it appears right now that they will rule, 5-4, that Mr. McDonald may buy a handgun and keep it in his home. This will be good for all gun owners, because it will not only affect Chicago, but will enable challenges to other gun-strangling laws in other municipalities.
With regard to restrictions, it does not seem likely that the Court will venture beyond the scope of its ruling in the Heller case. If the decision goes our way, the most we can reasonably hope for is to have the 2nd Amendment declared binding on the states and their political subdivisions, with the question of reasonableness of restrictions left to future courts to determine. Which is okay. That would be a BIG win for us.
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