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I heard that if you load hollow point bullets in your home defense weapon, and if you shoot and kill an intruder, that you can go to jail for murder because the hollow points are more lethal. is this true?

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from streack wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

I have heard you should not use handloads in your personal defense weapon, beacause you could cook up a load that is more devastating than factory ammo. It could be seen as cruel and unusual punishment if you shot someone that broke into your house and tried to kill you. The way I look at it you can't go wrong by practicing with your handloads and then at night have you magazine ready with hydrashoks, glaser rounds, or some hornady FTX.

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from Greenhead wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

If you are legally justified in shooting to kill, the law doesn't care if you use a .22 or a howitzer. Dead bad guy is dead bad guy.

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from MLH wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

Figure that if you shoot or kill an intruder you will end up in court and you will likely get sued. A lawyer will try to introduce anything he can to win the case (notice I said win and not prove truth). A lawyer told me NEVER to use handloads in a self-defense handgun.

A FMJ is more likely to go through a person and possibly injure someone else. And it may not stop the intruder. Hollow point pistols are meant to deposit their energy and not exit, and are less likely to injure someone else. I've seen studies where the hollow point have filled with plaster when going through a wall and have not expanded - same with some clothing. But I'd take my chance with the hollow points. It's about practical self defense and protecting yourself and the ones you love.

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from Fisher Boy wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

screw the law when someone breaks into your house with a gun, i say attempt to demobilize or scare them first if you have a good shot and are concealed, but otherwise take them out. Hey, i use to sleep with a rubber band gun near by ofter the neighbors house got broken into so i could at least knock the guy out, because it was made of a piece that was a strong as a 2 by 4.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

Lets first pray that NONE of us will ever need to take a life, but if it were necessary to stop an intruder from hurting you, or a family member, and you do shoot someone there is a chance of being held liable; either in criminal or civil court. I would recomend having "layered" security in your home. Better doors, windows, lights and an alarm system to include a dog! The average break-in crook will be scared away, as for true killers/dope heads that's another story. My defense weapons has "bullets" in them, regardless of type, can kill. My Prof at college, a seasoned officer gone lawyer, recommended to shoot them with whatever you have for defense and when the police arrive ask them you would like to call your lawyer BEFORE answering any questions!

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from Jim in Mo wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

MLH, it is true they stop expanding when hp gets filled with something. When I first got my .40 I couldn't wait to shoot it so I set some cans filled with water or gravel out into a farm field. The ground was wet and muddy. I dug the bullets out after firing and those that missed the cans had their nose filled with black stick and hadn't really expanded.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

My .40 is loaded with hollow-points. I'll take my chances

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from rrmont wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

I'm with steve182, my .40 is loaded with hps as well. If the intruder does die then I will take my day in court, but I'll be damned if he/she is going to harm my family.

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from CPT BRAD wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

WRONG WRONG WRONG. First of all THE INTRUDER is the one breaking the law. YOU are the one DEFENDING yourself and others. Most people will find it a justifiable shoot and not even bother with an autopsy but if the do there is a dead body filled with whatever you shoot him with and thats that. If you cut the guy in half then so be it. Dead men tell no tales! You probably will be sued in civil court which is for money not jail time. Just be propared, you'll loose a couple of grand defending youself but that's the way the system works, unless its just a crack head with no money then you will be alright.

It sucks either way and I'm sorry, but the only people that really get sued are city or state officers that roll thier own. And that is only because it is worth a LOT of money to sue the state.

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from DanInArkinsaw wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

While we are on the subject of getting sued by a wounded bad guy it would be a good time to bring up some redneck logic of my very own. If the situation is ever to arise where you need to shoot, double tap...then drop a couple more rounds for good measure. When there is only one version to the story, there is much less wiggle room. If somebody needs shot they need shot a bunch. Just a thought.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

streack has a valid and true point! Never use reloads even if they are reduced loads to prevent less damage. Always use factory ammo and make sure your NRA Membership is up to date!!! I always told my students that if you clear leather, it will cost you $10,000 dollars regardless!!!!!

To answer your question, I went thru training for 2nd Man qualification for Law Enforcement. I carry pending on the environment and threat condition, 230 grain Black Talons, Federal Hydro Shocks or 230 grain Military Ball in my 45ACP, never carry reloads except for hunting and for plinking period!!!!!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

Bottom line

If they are “FACTORY AMMO” ?

NO!

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from whiteriverguide1 wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

I say no as well for an answer. You have the right to protect yourself and your property. Just use factory ammo it sounds like. Didn't know that myself.

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from renegades wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

yes that is true

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from slothman wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

I say use the most frangible devastating bullet you can get your hands on. you are protecting your life property and in many cases more importantly the lives of those you care about most. you want to put as much energy into that bad guy as you can while at the same time limmiting the likely hood of unwanted penetration in our home. if asked for your reasoning simply answer that the object was to prevent unintended penetration through your home.

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from auburn_hunter wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

I also have Federal Hydra-Shok HPs in my .40 that sits in my nightstand.

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

Ralph gives excellent advice. Do everything you can to avoid having to shoot anyone. If you do, be prepared for one of the most trying times in your life, as the family of the intruder will most likely file civil charges against you with the help and encouragement of a bottom feeding lawyer.

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from Jeff4066 wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

From the cases I've seen and read, I'd like to add 2 things...

-There is much good advice given above.

-Before you shoot (if you have time), or do it now, be sure to know by reflex your local law.

First, I have never heard of the type of round being an issue except once. Make sure your rounds are legal, purchased ones, not some mercury tipped exploding handmades.

Where you live is more of an issue. After 18 years in Georgia, reading the NC law seems weird. Here's a few things to think about other than the bullet...

-Georgia has "disparity of force". This means that a big person with a knife is considered dangerous enough to a small person with a gun. The opposite end of that is if you are armed with a gun, and the perp has a stick, and you kill them, you can be charged.

-In NC, it seems they have to BREAK into your home. If you leave a door unlocked, and they come in, that is "trespass", and killing them BEFORE they do something else (even though that would be wise in my book), could get you charged.

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from jearley wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

One quick note to add to all the rest. If a person breaks into your home, sees you armed and turns to flee, if you fire you will be prosecuted regardless of the bullet or other extenuating circumstances.

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from mcdlacrosse9 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

If you shoot fast and accurately enough, the serious factory loads will do just fine. The bottom line is I trust myself more than an minor change in ammunition.

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from theobsession wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

what is the castle law all about?

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from rudyglove27 wrote 1 year 39 weeks ago

Agreed with Beekeeper answer above and A + 1 for you sir!!!

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from DanInArkinsaw wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

While we are on the subject of getting sued by a wounded bad guy it would be a good time to bring up some redneck logic of my very own. If the situation is ever to arise where you need to shoot, double tap...then drop a couple more rounds for good measure. When there is only one version to the story, there is much less wiggle room. If somebody needs shot they need shot a bunch. Just a thought.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

Lets first pray that NONE of us will ever need to take a life, but if it were necessary to stop an intruder from hurting you, or a family member, and you do shoot someone there is a chance of being held liable; either in criminal or civil court. I would recomend having "layered" security in your home. Better doors, windows, lights and an alarm system to include a dog! The average break-in crook will be scared away, as for true killers/dope heads that's another story. My defense weapons has "bullets" in them, regardless of type, can kill. My Prof at college, a seasoned officer gone lawyer, recommended to shoot them with whatever you have for defense and when the police arrive ask them you would like to call your lawyer BEFORE answering any questions!

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from CPT BRAD wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

WRONG WRONG WRONG. First of all THE INTRUDER is the one breaking the law. YOU are the one DEFENDING yourself and others. Most people will find it a justifiable shoot and not even bother with an autopsy but if the do there is a dead body filled with whatever you shoot him with and thats that. If you cut the guy in half then so be it. Dead men tell no tales! You probably will be sued in civil court which is for money not jail time. Just be propared, you'll loose a couple of grand defending youself but that's the way the system works, unless its just a crack head with no money then you will be alright.

It sucks either way and I'm sorry, but the only people that really get sued are city or state officers that roll thier own. And that is only because it is worth a LOT of money to sue the state.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

streack has a valid and true point! Never use reloads even if they are reduced loads to prevent less damage. Always use factory ammo and make sure your NRA Membership is up to date!!! I always told my students that if you clear leather, it will cost you $10,000 dollars regardless!!!!!

To answer your question, I went thru training for 2nd Man qualification for Law Enforcement. I carry pending on the environment and threat condition, 230 grain Black Talons, Federal Hydro Shocks or 230 grain Military Ball in my 45ACP, never carry reloads except for hunting and for plinking period!!!!!!!

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from Greenhead wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

If you are legally justified in shooting to kill, the law doesn't care if you use a .22 or a howitzer. Dead bad guy is dead bad guy.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from whiteriverguide1 wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

I say no as well for an answer. You have the right to protect yourself and your property. Just use factory ammo it sounds like. Didn't know that myself.

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from streack wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

I have heard you should not use handloads in your personal defense weapon, beacause you could cook up a load that is more devastating than factory ammo. It could be seen as cruel and unusual punishment if you shot someone that broke into your house and tried to kill you. The way I look at it you can't go wrong by practicing with your handloads and then at night have you magazine ready with hydrashoks, glaser rounds, or some hornady FTX.

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from MLH wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

Figure that if you shoot or kill an intruder you will end up in court and you will likely get sued. A lawyer will try to introduce anything he can to win the case (notice I said win and not prove truth). A lawyer told me NEVER to use handloads in a self-defense handgun.

A FMJ is more likely to go through a person and possibly injure someone else. And it may not stop the intruder. Hollow point pistols are meant to deposit their energy and not exit, and are less likely to injure someone else. I've seen studies where the hollow point have filled with plaster when going through a wall and have not expanded - same with some clothing. But I'd take my chance with the hollow points. It's about practical self defense and protecting yourself and the ones you love.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Fisher Boy wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

screw the law when someone breaks into your house with a gun, i say attempt to demobilize or scare them first if you have a good shot and are concealed, but otherwise take them out. Hey, i use to sleep with a rubber band gun near by ofter the neighbors house got broken into so i could at least knock the guy out, because it was made of a piece that was a strong as a 2 by 4.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

MLH, it is true they stop expanding when hp gets filled with something. When I first got my .40 I couldn't wait to shoot it so I set some cans filled with water or gravel out into a farm field. The ground was wet and muddy. I dug the bullets out after firing and those that missed the cans had their nose filled with black stick and hadn't really expanded.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

My .40 is loaded with hollow-points. I'll take my chances

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from rrmont wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

I'm with steve182, my .40 is loaded with hps as well. If the intruder does die then I will take my day in court, but I'll be damned if he/she is going to harm my family.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

Bottom line

If they are “FACTORY AMMO” ?

NO!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from slothman wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

I say use the most frangible devastating bullet you can get your hands on. you are protecting your life property and in many cases more importantly the lives of those you care about most. you want to put as much energy into that bad guy as you can while at the same time limmiting the likely hood of unwanted penetration in our home. if asked for your reasoning simply answer that the object was to prevent unintended penetration through your home.

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from auburn_hunter wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

I also have Federal Hydra-Shok HPs in my .40 that sits in my nightstand.

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

Ralph gives excellent advice. Do everything you can to avoid having to shoot anyone. If you do, be prepared for one of the most trying times in your life, as the family of the intruder will most likely file civil charges against you with the help and encouragement of a bottom feeding lawyer.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Jeff4066 wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

From the cases I've seen and read, I'd like to add 2 things...

-There is much good advice given above.

-Before you shoot (if you have time), or do it now, be sure to know by reflex your local law.

First, I have never heard of the type of round being an issue except once. Make sure your rounds are legal, purchased ones, not some mercury tipped exploding handmades.

Where you live is more of an issue. After 18 years in Georgia, reading the NC law seems weird. Here's a few things to think about other than the bullet...

-Georgia has "disparity of force". This means that a big person with a knife is considered dangerous enough to a small person with a gun. The opposite end of that is if you are armed with a gun, and the perp has a stick, and you kill them, you can be charged.

-In NC, it seems they have to BREAK into your home. If you leave a door unlocked, and they come in, that is "trespass", and killing them BEFORE they do something else (even though that would be wise in my book), could get you charged.

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from jearley wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

One quick note to add to all the rest. If a person breaks into your home, sees you armed and turns to flee, if you fire you will be prosecuted regardless of the bullet or other extenuating circumstances.

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from mcdlacrosse9 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

If you shoot fast and accurately enough, the serious factory loads will do just fine. The bottom line is I trust myself more than an minor change in ammunition.

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from theobsession wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

what is the castle law all about?

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from rudyglove27 wrote 1 year 39 weeks ago

Agreed with Beekeeper answer above and A + 1 for you sir!!!

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from renegades wrote 2 years 44 weeks ago

yes that is true

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