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I have a beautiful rifle picked out, but it comjes in either .270 or .270 WSM... anyone have good experience with both? barrel wear and slightly more expensive ammo don't matter to me, and the weight in the rifle and cost are the same.

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from 406caddis wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

I love my .270. If you have a way to shoot both then decide for yourself after.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

My pa has a .270 and loves it. I have a .270WSM and it's his turned up a notch. Not that it needs it. The .270WSM's biggest disadvantage IMO is the cost of the ammo. I reload, and I have enough brass to last as long as the barrel should last.

Both shoot flat, both do a great job. Mine makes a little bigger mess, shoots a little flatter, makes a bigger exit hole and barks a little louder. If I had it to do over again I'd probably go regular flavor .270 but I'm a lefty and at the time the only caliber I sorta liked that was available on the gun I wanted was the .270WSM.

What brand/model rifle are you looking at?

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from fng wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

not a grat gun, but a good starter. weatherby vanguard

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

Not a thing wrong with that. I have a Tikka T3 and my Pa has a Browning A-Bolt Medallion. FWIW I had a Howa rifle a few years back. I believe they are the actual makers of the Vanguard action. My Howa was a superb gun. It's only fault was that it was right-handed and I'm a southpaw.

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from fng wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

yea, my dad always liked lever and pump guns because they are awesome for lefties

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Don't let anyone fool you, that Weatherby Vanguard is a great rifle for hunting. While I own two Weatherby's, neither are Vanguards, but I know several guys who have them and they like them and they shoot extremely well. Howa makes those rifles and everything that comes out of their factory is top notch. They made the Weatherby Mark V's for many years and Smith & Wesson shotguns among others. I have a Howa-made Mark V and it is just as quality and the U.S. made Wby Mark V that I have.

The Vanguard is a little heavy for my taste, but if it suits you, then go for it! As for caliber, either of those .270's will get the job done equally well. The .270 Win ammo is probably a little cheaper and more widely available in out of the way places. If you shoot a lot, I'd stick with the .270 Win unless you handload or plan to. That rifle will shoot better than MOP with either load. Just make sure you can!

Good luck hunting this season!

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from Cgull wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I have both the 270 and the 270 WSM, the 270WSM will burn the rifling out faster( hoter and faster). You will always be able to find 270 ammo,not so for the 270 wsm. I have lots of trouble finding 270 wsm and have since bought myself a reloader. I would pick the WSm over the 270, I like the load and mine shoots great.

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I could get by fine with either one but since I have owned a .270 Wun. since about 1970 I see no point in obtaining the mag. I know several people who are perfectly happy with Vanguards as well including one woman.

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from IanS wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I have a 270 win. Tikka T3. It is a fantastic rifle. When I bought it I considered the WSM but because of ammo availability and in my opinion no significant ballistic advantages I got the 270 win.

I would hesitate to shoot a moose with mine and if a bear was running at me I'd be squeezing the trigger and I'd win the fight.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

The 270 WSM is likely a fad I would go with the 270 win. you can find ammo just about anywhere and it's less expensive. In a few years folks will say huh??? when you ask about the WSM.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I won't be buying any WSM's or especially WSSM's. A flash in the pan. get the .270 win.

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from 270WSM wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I have both. I my opinion you can't go wrong with either one. I have shot the 270 for years now and never lost an animal I hit. I bought the WSM last year. As mentioned above the WSM just kicks it up a bit. If you are hunting deer and similar animals I would stick with the 270 overall if you only an buy one gun. Less reoil, ammo cost less and is easily available.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Who can say for sure, but some of the WSM's and surely all the WSSM's will pass into obscurity one day. The .300 WSM will probably stick around.

Try finding those WSM's in Dillon, MT or Meeker, CO. Heck, you can't even buy a box of .35 Whelen in Craig, Colorado!

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from rocketman121 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

The .270WSM ammo is hard to find in stores for a good price. I've only found one place I can buy my ammo for a reasonable (albeit expensive) price. That aside, my .270 WSM is an amazing gun; and I love it!

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Does your gun's ammo have a BFE factor???

In other words can you get your ammo in common places?

.270 wins that one hands down over .270WSM.....never mind the cost of it.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Hi sgaredneck

I think most of my rifles, except the .30-06 and .308 Win, have a high BFE factor. I seldom run with the pack, but I do run withthe big dogs!

Just like some comments about 7mm Weatherby Magnum vs. 7mm Remington Magnum. The Weatherby magnum outperforms (slightly) the Remington mag, but not commensurate with the extra expense. Ask me if I care. I have the Weatherby because I CAN and I handload anyway, but you can bet that I will be taking extra ammo on any hunting trip. But then again, I never buy ammo on a trip anyways since I always take enough with me. I drive right past 2 Cabela's and 2 Sportsman's Warehouse's on the way to my elk hunt and have never bought one bullet in either! (Not that I didn't buy other stuff I didn't need)

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

A lot of my stuff is odd if not obscure too....7mm TCU, 7-30 Waters, 300 whisper, 375 Ruger, 454 Casull. Even 8x57 (hunting)ammo is getting harder and harder to find.

30-30, 30-06, 270, 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, .308, .243, 25-06 is about what is available locally here. You'll occasionally see other stuff but you have to go to a dedicated gun shop or sporting goods place to get any other real selection.

Bass Pro is almost 2hrs. away. There's a shop 30 minutes away (Backwoods Outdoors in Albany) that does a damn fine job. There is a little gun shop in the next town of size (3 traffic lights -its 5 miles away) but you are going to pay @ $40 for a box of 30-30 there.....

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

A lot of my stuff is odd if not obscure too....7mm TCU, 7-30 Waters, 300 whisper, 375 Ruger, 454 Casull. Even 8x57 (hunting)ammo is getting harder and harder to find.

30-30, 30-06, 270, 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, .308, .243, 25-06 is about what is available locally here. You'll occasionally see other stuff but you have to go to a dedicated gun shop or sporting goods place to get any other real selection.

Bass Pro is almost 2hrs. away. There's a shop 30 minutes away (Backwoods Outdoors in Albany) that does a damn fine job. There is a little gun shop in the next town of size (3 traffic lights -its 5 miles away) but you are going to pay @ $40 for a box of 30-30 there.....

Reloading is a must for me. It's the only way I can afford my habit.

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from fng wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

thanks for the info fellas!

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from Sarge01 wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

I have had both ant all things being equal I would buy the 270 WSM. It has a small advantage that is worth the price in ammo, however is you load the cost will be about the same.

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from Sarge01 wrote 3 years 26 weeks ago

And for your information my 270WSM was a Tikka T3 Lite and it was a tack driver with 130 grain Hornady Interlock SST's. I had a 300WSM Tikka T3 Lite and didn't need another long range rifle and a guy offered me more money for the rifle than I could turn down. He was at the range and saw the targets that I was shooting with the 270WSM. It was more accurate than any regular 270 than I had ever had.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Don't let anyone fool you, that Weatherby Vanguard is a great rifle for hunting. While I own two Weatherby's, neither are Vanguards, but I know several guys who have them and they like them and they shoot extremely well. Howa makes those rifles and everything that comes out of their factory is top notch. They made the Weatherby Mark V's for many years and Smith & Wesson shotguns among others. I have a Howa-made Mark V and it is just as quality and the U.S. made Wby Mark V that I have.

The Vanguard is a little heavy for my taste, but if it suits you, then go for it! As for caliber, either of those .270's will get the job done equally well. The .270 Win ammo is probably a little cheaper and more widely available in out of the way places. If you shoot a lot, I'd stick with the .270 Win unless you handload or plan to. That rifle will shoot better than MOP with either load. Just make sure you can!

Good luck hunting this season!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Hi sgaredneck

I think most of my rifles, except the .30-06 and .308 Win, have a high BFE factor. I seldom run with the pack, but I do run withthe big dogs!

Just like some comments about 7mm Weatherby Magnum vs. 7mm Remington Magnum. The Weatherby magnum outperforms (slightly) the Remington mag, but not commensurate with the extra expense. Ask me if I care. I have the Weatherby because I CAN and I handload anyway, but you can bet that I will be taking extra ammo on any hunting trip. But then again, I never buy ammo on a trip anyways since I always take enough with me. I drive right past 2 Cabela's and 2 Sportsman's Warehouse's on the way to my elk hunt and have never bought one bullet in either! (Not that I didn't buy other stuff I didn't need)

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from 406caddis wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

I love my .270. If you have a way to shoot both then decide for yourself after.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

My pa has a .270 and loves it. I have a .270WSM and it's his turned up a notch. Not that it needs it. The .270WSM's biggest disadvantage IMO is the cost of the ammo. I reload, and I have enough brass to last as long as the barrel should last.

Both shoot flat, both do a great job. Mine makes a little bigger mess, shoots a little flatter, makes a bigger exit hole and barks a little louder. If I had it to do over again I'd probably go regular flavor .270 but I'm a lefty and at the time the only caliber I sorta liked that was available on the gun I wanted was the .270WSM.

What brand/model rifle are you looking at?

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from fng wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

not a grat gun, but a good starter. weatherby vanguard

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

Not a thing wrong with that. I have a Tikka T3 and my Pa has a Browning A-Bolt Medallion. FWIW I had a Howa rifle a few years back. I believe they are the actual makers of the Vanguard action. My Howa was a superb gun. It's only fault was that it was right-handed and I'm a southpaw.

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from fng wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

yea, my dad always liked lever and pump guns because they are awesome for lefties

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from Cgull wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I have both the 270 and the 270 WSM, the 270WSM will burn the rifling out faster( hoter and faster). You will always be able to find 270 ammo,not so for the 270 wsm. I have lots of trouble finding 270 wsm and have since bought myself a reloader. I would pick the WSm over the 270, I like the load and mine shoots great.

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I could get by fine with either one but since I have owned a .270 Wun. since about 1970 I see no point in obtaining the mag. I know several people who are perfectly happy with Vanguards as well including one woman.

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from IanS wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I have a 270 win. Tikka T3. It is a fantastic rifle. When I bought it I considered the WSM but because of ammo availability and in my opinion no significant ballistic advantages I got the 270 win.

I would hesitate to shoot a moose with mine and if a bear was running at me I'd be squeezing the trigger and I'd win the fight.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

The 270 WSM is likely a fad I would go with the 270 win. you can find ammo just about anywhere and it's less expensive. In a few years folks will say huh??? when you ask about the WSM.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I won't be buying any WSM's or especially WSSM's. A flash in the pan. get the .270 win.

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from 270WSM wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I have both. I my opinion you can't go wrong with either one. I have shot the 270 for years now and never lost an animal I hit. I bought the WSM last year. As mentioned above the WSM just kicks it up a bit. If you are hunting deer and similar animals I would stick with the 270 overall if you only an buy one gun. Less reoil, ammo cost less and is easily available.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Who can say for sure, but some of the WSM's and surely all the WSSM's will pass into obscurity one day. The .300 WSM will probably stick around.

Try finding those WSM's in Dillon, MT or Meeker, CO. Heck, you can't even buy a box of .35 Whelen in Craig, Colorado!

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from rocketman121 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

The .270WSM ammo is hard to find in stores for a good price. I've only found one place I can buy my ammo for a reasonable (albeit expensive) price. That aside, my .270 WSM is an amazing gun; and I love it!

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Does your gun's ammo have a BFE factor???

In other words can you get your ammo in common places?

.270 wins that one hands down over .270WSM.....never mind the cost of it.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

A lot of my stuff is odd if not obscure too....7mm TCU, 7-30 Waters, 300 whisper, 375 Ruger, 454 Casull. Even 8x57 (hunting)ammo is getting harder and harder to find.

30-30, 30-06, 270, 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, .308, .243, 25-06 is about what is available locally here. You'll occasionally see other stuff but you have to go to a dedicated gun shop or sporting goods place to get any other real selection.

Bass Pro is almost 2hrs. away. There's a shop 30 minutes away (Backwoods Outdoors in Albany) that does a damn fine job. There is a little gun shop in the next town of size (3 traffic lights -its 5 miles away) but you are going to pay @ $40 for a box of 30-30 there.....

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

A lot of my stuff is odd if not obscure too....7mm TCU, 7-30 Waters, 300 whisper, 375 Ruger, 454 Casull. Even 8x57 (hunting)ammo is getting harder and harder to find.

30-30, 30-06, 270, 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, .308, .243, 25-06 is about what is available locally here. You'll occasionally see other stuff but you have to go to a dedicated gun shop or sporting goods place to get any other real selection.

Bass Pro is almost 2hrs. away. There's a shop 30 minutes away (Backwoods Outdoors in Albany) that does a damn fine job. There is a little gun shop in the next town of size (3 traffic lights -its 5 miles away) but you are going to pay @ $40 for a box of 30-30 there.....

Reloading is a must for me. It's the only way I can afford my habit.

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from fng wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

thanks for the info fellas!

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from Sarge01 wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

I have had both ant all things being equal I would buy the 270 WSM. It has a small advantage that is worth the price in ammo, however is you load the cost will be about the same.

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from Sarge01 wrote 3 years 26 weeks ago

And for your information my 270WSM was a Tikka T3 Lite and it was a tack driver with 130 grain Hornady Interlock SST's. I had a 300WSM Tikka T3 Lite and didn't need another long range rifle and a guy offered me more money for the rifle than I could turn down. He was at the range and saw the targets that I was shooting with the 270WSM. It was more accurate than any regular 270 than I had ever had.

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