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Question by four-wheelin. Uploaded on October 30, 2009
308 win mag is an excellent round that dosen't cost a fortion in ammo
There are several things to consider about a cartridge when it comes to long range. There are several good options availible today but here's what I think, I do a lot of long range shooting/hunting and this is purely just my opinion.
Stay away from weatherbys and wildcats: Reloading components too expensive (ie. Brass, Dies, ect)
For 600-800 yards don't get a rifle bigger than a .30 caliber. You don't need a .338 for that kind of range.
Consider recoil, amount of powder used and barrel life, bullet selection, $ of reloading dies, presses (If you get an ultra mag or some other beast you may have to invest in all new reloading presses and such to fit the case that will rack up $$$$$)
If I had to suggest a cartridge for what you are asking to do it would be a .30/06, .300 Win Mag. or a 7mm Mag.
I have a .30/06 that I've taken several elk with past 600 yards with one shot and it is plenty, but with my load it is limited to a maximum range of 800 yards. However, I recently put together a .300 Win. Mag that has an effective range to 1100 yards on critters (No, I don't plan on shooting anywhere near that far at animals) and bullets will still be supersonic to past 1500 yards. The .300 win mag with my load is more than enough gun than I'll ever need.
Hope this might have helped some
That's pretty long range for what I'd call hunting. I hunt forest, and I'd want to get closer. I don't plan on ever shooting anything with more oomph than a 180gr 30-06, and with the required holdover and getting an accurate sense of the distance and wind, I wouldn't try half the distance you're talking, even if I could see that far.
You probably are talking 300WSM. Hope someone with more experience than me in open range can give you a better opinion.
One thing I forgot to mention:
If you've got a "long Range" Cartridge, it doesn't mean you should shoot at long range on animals. Don't buy a giant rifle, powerful scope, and rangefinder and head for the field, put the time in and practice and only shoot to as far as you know you can. Don't hold over an animal (coughsneezeclaysniff) dial your scope directly for elevation and windage corrections before you shoot for every shot, and only take the shot if it will be a suprise/shock to you that you missed.
7mm Weatherby Magnum or .300 Weatherby or faster equivalent and lots of practice at shooting at MOP targets at that range....in the wind.
And don't believe all the long range tales you hear. Verrify your range with a rangefinder and learn how to dope the wind. A guy I hunted with last week missed a mule deer 5 TIMES at 505 yards before finally hitting him (bang flop). In the 15-20 mph crosswind he needed 22-25 inches of correction with what he was shooting. When I asked him how much did he dope the wind, he answered, "Oh, I forgot about that." to which I replied, "How much do you think you should have applied". He had no clue.
For me it’s Hands down my 338 Win Mag with Hornady 225 grain thumping out at 3000 fps. For the average shooter and my Second choice is the 30-06 with 180’s over a 7mm Rem Mag any day! If you’re going to shoot a Magnum Cartridge, shoot a Magnum Caliber and leave the 30 cal Mags at home. If you’re going to get kicked like a mule, then shoot a bullet that gives better performance down range!
.50 cal bmg
Clay said: "If you’re going to shoot a Magnum Cartridge, shoot a Magnum Caliber and leave the 30 cal Mags at home."
200 Grain Nosler accubond 3050fps out of a .300 win mag vs. 225 Grain hornady 3000fps out of a .338 win mag
.300 Win Mag:
.338 win mag:
Hmmm maybe it's just me but looks like that .30 caliber outperforms the .338. The bullet clay is using has a minimum expansion velocity of 1800fps(as does the nosler I use) but he hits 1800fps at about 600 yards and me at about 1000, and I have more energy at long ranges. Clay hasn't done his homework seems to me
There was a post in 'The Firing Line' in the Message Board section where this thing (or something real similar to it) was tackled a while back. This question has some of the same components to it as your .223 question. And what I believe the bottom line will be here is "is that an ethical shot (YOU, not Bob Lee Swagger) can make reliably and not risk wounding and losing an animal?" The caliber to be used is secondary.
yes I realize I need to be a good shot at that range before taking a shot like that. After the .223 question I am looking into getting a new gun. I will probably never take a shot at an animal at that range but I would like to practice at that range with a deer hunting caliber just incase.
I like BigBboy25's comment that you should only take a shot that if you missed, you would be surprised. And to my way of thinking, that means no shots at 600 to 800 yards.
600 to 800 yds? Do you even realize how far that is? I don't call that hunting, I call it plinking.
MntHunter I agree a 7mm WBY with a good 160 in it like a Partion or Barnes will do the trick, just remember the farther you shoot it its that much farther you have to pack it out. Oh yea thats also a ways ou there to be shootin I would say practice alot and then keep your shots at the 500 mark.
Jim in Mo,
Well 1760 yards is a mile so, 880 yards is a half mile. So ya I know how far that is. A very long shot. Like I stated above I probably never shoot at an animal that far away. I just want me, my gun, and that cartridge to be able to go that far effectivly. That way it will make those 200 yard shots a lot easier.
Why don't you retards read above before you write stupid crap!
Retards??!! I dont think you know what it takes to make a shot at that range or why you would even want to. Its not the cal but the energy it creates at that range you need to look at. So go get yourself a 338.378 and shoot a 200 grain or 250 grain bullet and after it kicks you all over the range from practicing 4 days a week because thats what its going to take then you can tell us how great your new long range cannon worked on the biggest deer you shot at 250 yards.
This isn't a video game. Learn to hunt, then you'll never need to take a shot nearly that long.
wow... idduckhntr your just as stupid! I just told you to read above and now you go and write another stupid comment. for the third time, I will not be shooting a deer at 800 yards! I want a good deer caliber that I can still target shoot at that range.
I've done more than home work, I recovered a many of bullets out of Caribou and Moose at those distances.
Don't say it cannot be done and get in the way of those who are actually doing it!
On my desk, I have a 338 225 grain recovered from one of the Caribou I shot at 650 and still turned the meat into hamburger, the ribs were so blood shot they were uneatable and the diameter of the mushroom portion is a good 5/8 in diameter.
I tell'ya, armchair know it all are something else!
Check my Pics, I have a picture of it
The .308 is good enough for the military snipers, its good enough for any north american game, similar ballistics to the 30/06, and you used to be able to buy surplus military ammo for practice. I believe it to be the finest .30 caliber round ever created.
Four wheelin I dont think you have the balls to even practice that far buy a 270 or 30.06 and hunt like a real person apperantly you dont want our help you just want to run your mouth and attitude. And if you dont want to shoot at something at 800 yrds than why practice at 800yrds?
i love to shoot long rang shoots at the range but dam 800 yards . i no hunting i have not the amount of skill that would take iv only seen very few who do growing up on military base and they shoot every day talk to clay copper he was on a air force shooting team i think. he could help you out for the right rifle for range shooting he helped me on the best load for my 25-06 shooting at 500 yard on the range and his info was rite on the money . helped me alot
Like I said this question has some of the components as your previous question. You are 2 for 2 in asking questions that stir the.....um, you know what I mean.
And in no way am I down on you for asking the question. Looks to me like it needs to be asked and hashed out. AGAIN.
Four-wheelin, you are going to have to use your judgment to decide who is really on your side. What I mean by that is there are folks here, myself included, that are going to give you an answer you won't like sometimes, maybe a lot of the time. But know that if someone gives a forceful answer it's because they are passionate about the circumstances. Not because they think you are dumb. They have been there, done that, and probably can save you some headache & heartache you might otherwise go through. I look up to the advice of some of these folks and I have learned a hell of a lot. My 2 cents.
Your absolutely right, 308 like the 30-06 and 308 I have out shot 300 Win Mags on the 1000 yard line topped with extraterrestrial telescopes with an open sighted M1 Garand and M1A!
Sure is fun shooting 45-70 trap door out in areas like New Mexico at rocks and bushes at 1000 yards pluss. Gun goes bang, you lower the rifle and a second or two later watch the bullet hit launching a yard of dust into the air!
Not the arrow,
It's the Indian!
It takes no balls to practice. Should I be afraid of wounding my target...its pretty easy to just print another off. The only way to get good at something is to practice.
I have noticed my last two questions have made people mad but it doesnt matter. I took the advice of the last question and am now going to start shopping around for a new gun. Alls I wanted to know is what would be a good caliber for deer that I could probably target practice at long ranges with also. If people want to tell me how stupid it is to want to practice long distance shooting I dont really care what they think.
Good job at recovering a few bullets, but I don't see your relavancy in bringing this up. I've heard the stories of your long shots, I know you can do it. But your method is all wrong. You boast at your "kentucky windage" skills, and that is unethical in my opinion, you're just guessing, no "if's, and's or but's" about it. I shoot long range as well, I shot a bull this year at 590, a bear at 643, and a coyote at 540 all with one shot. I'm nowhere near the best shot in the county, but I have the equipment and skills necissary to make those shots. Also each one of those shots, I placed the croshairs where I wanted the bullet to impact and squeezed it off, no guessing. When I said you didn't do your homework, I was refering to the fact that you said a .338 win mag was better for long range than a .300 win. mag. when it's not, not with the bullet you're using. I'm not trying to say the .338 is a bad round, it's not. But it's not the best in my eyes. Look at the math, it all is opposite of what you said. But if it works for you great, I am just trying to give everybody the information I know and use, which was exactly what you were doing.
I'm sorry if I offended you. However, the way you set your question up is a little different than you are framing it now. If you asked it like you have just laid it out now you'd be getting different responses.
FWIW, I'd get something in a 7mm Rem. Mag and never look back. I have one that has served me well for about 20 years now. I have never lost an animal and I have always hit what I wanted to hit with it. Maybe about 230 yards is the longest kill shot with it. At that distance you can hold dead on with it and not have to worry much.
Some would argue it's a bit much for deer but you could hunt 95% of what's on this continent and at least 75% of what's in the rest of the world with it.
S GA REDNECK
although I have been called worse
I have a "rig" that on paper is capable of making a 1100 METER shot. Have I tried it yet ? No, I have no reason to these days.( Used to shoot long range comps.)
My gunsmith and I worked on a Browning A-bolt Stainless for a LONG time to get it to do what it is CAPABLE of. As Mr. Myles would say. The rifle will shoot straighter than I EVER could.
That being said I'd get a .300 Win Mag( NOT a .338/378,.300 Ultra,.300 Weatherby etc. more "killing" on the back end/wallet than anything else.)
It does have a "break" om it that we use for "LOTS" of range time. Keeps the "ouch"/flinch factor down yo a min. I put on a C.R. B.O.S.S( Conventional Recoil) for hunting.
You just have to try to phrase things a little differently next time. I got what you were saying but seems like not everyone did.
I'm a little reluctant to join in this thread as some seem to be anxious to pounce on someone offering their point of view. I will go ahead however because I think it is an interesting question and one I have invested in just in case my experience to date can help someone.
I have built a rifle for long range shooting and have been experimenting with it for about two years. After all the research and mulling over most of the calibers mentioned above, I chose to build my rifle on a .300 Dakota cartrige. Although many cartriges are very close at 1,000 yards (especially the .338 Dakota through the .338 Lapua), I chose the .300 Dak because it had the lowest recoil among those big cartriges (including .300 Win). Its ballistics are similar to the .300 RUM with much less recoil caused by the "short/fat". I felt I could easily shoot a few thousand rounds through it practicing and that it was mild enough to avoid a flinch or a jerk when I was taking the actual shot. I have found the recoil about like an eight pound 30-06 in my 12 pound rifle. I personally believe that in long range shooting, the fear of recoil is what spoils the shot about 75% of the time.
To shoot 1,000 yards, I started with a very good barrel and a very well aligned chamber. I got it professionally bedded with a good trigger and started with loads shooting under .1 inch at 100 yards. I shoot 210g Bergers and they have been performing very well. I especially love to shoot in big winds and verify the dope tables. So far, crossing 40-50 mph winds is the highest for me but I find the tables to be very accurate. The drop and windage is very predictable. I am still not deer hunting with mine this year as I had hoped. Just haven't had enough practice time to get comfortable adjusting my turrets for the exact distance/windage as conditions change. At times, it is still taking taking me one shot to dial exactly in to the target from my normal 200 yard zero (I use the rifle for short range shooting too). I am debating on moving to a mill dot cross hair with an an established 1,000 yard dot setting. It is just taking me too long to adjust and I am not always right on. I won't shoot until I can consistently hit that coke can at 1,000 yds with a 40 mph cross wind. I could use holdover but find I am not as accurate that way after about 600 yards. The .300 Dak has plenty of energy to knock an elk dead at 1,000 yards and beyond. I like the energy of the .338 at that range too but just can't take the recoil. I believe that for starters, your rifle must be exceptionlly accurate to consider hunting at that range or you don't have a chance. Secondly, the hunter must be exceptionally practiced or it is crap shoot. When I get it all dialed in, I expect that my first hit will be as exillerating as my first bow hit. I am still working on it! It has been fun getting ready.
I'm not a long range shooter but from what I hear a 7mm mag is a favorite.
Remamber though it's not only caliber. You also need to see your target so a proper scope is also crucial.
My brother in law does long range shooting as a hobby and has a Tikka T3 Tactical 308. He took a 600 yard shot and hit a shoe box. His rifle was at a 45 degree angle.
Okay. DakotaMan has just given our friend four-wheelin some objective criteria for determining his readiness to take on those critters at 600-800 yards.
He won't shoot unless he can consistently hit a coke can at 1000 yards with a 40mph cross wind. I hope there will be witnesses.
Dakota Man I do not believe you can hit a Coke Truck, let a lone a coke can at 1000 yards, with a 40 mph cross wind. Sorry Brother
I have a 1/2" thick x 6 inches round steel 'plate' with a loop of log chain welded to the back. It hangs from a loop of rebar so the target 'plate' is about 30" off the ground. This is set up in the back of the field next to my house so that when I sit at my bench, it's roughly a 500 yard shot give or take a few feet. I shoot that with the my 7 mag, my 270WSM, my Encore 22-250, and the Rock River Varmint AR in my avatar. I can hit it pretty consistently with all of them. When get to where I can shoot freehand and ring it 3 for 3, I'll consider myself a good enough shot to be taking hunting shots at that distance. I am not there.
I am shooting E to W, so I almost always have a gulf wind quartering out of the SSW at 5-15 mph. Reading a variable wind is a bigger deal than holding and hitting it. I guess this qualifies as 'minute of pot-pie plate'.
Dakota, I'm not in any way calling BS, but where in GA are you getting 40 mph winds? Or are you traveling somewhere else to shoot. There aren't many if any 1000 yard ranges in GA that are open to the public. I have access to a friend's private range that used to be a grass airstrip near the GA coast and even with the coastal breezes you rarely see over 25 there.
The .300 Dakota has no where near .300 RUM velocities.
You can take your math and try to prove what ever you want, those bullets I recovered and witnessing first hand what a 338 Win Mag vs 300 Win Mag proves you wrong. The bullet proof is in the hand!
The best Caribou cartridge I know is a 270 with a 130 grain bullet!
Here's my link for the 338 Win Mag Hornady 225 grain recovered at 650ish yards from a Caribou.
I find it funny how someone can get there nickers all in a twist, 300 Win Mag 200 grain bullet at 3050 fps vs 338 Win Mag 225 grain at 3000fps and at 1000 yards the only difference is only the knock down power of a 22 Magnum, WOW LOL! This debate really cracks me up when you add the diameter of the bullet causing a much larger wound channel and much more hydrostatic shock than the smaller caliber!
Seeing is believing!
Got dinking around what I can do with my new Savage Muzzle loader shooting a Thompson Center Shock Wave muzzle loader bullet 250 grain with a Ballistic Coefficient of .240 with 75 grains of IMR4198 at 2800 fps. Check this out, at the muzzle 2800 fps and 4352 foot pounds and zeroed in at 225 yards will rise 3.0 inches at 100 yards with only minus 8.0 at 300 yards! Also a 500 grain at the muzzle at 2100fps and 4896 foot pound energy, rise 5.6 at 100 yards for a 225 yard zero and drop minus 13.3 inches a 300 yards.
Not bad for a muzzle loader thats not your daddies!
Please take a look at the Barnes Reloading Manual #3 for a comparison of the .300 Dakota and the RUM. The Dakota is a hair slower but not much. For example a 165g Dak goes up to 3400 fps while a RUM goes up to 3480 but normal loads are about the same. As you step through loads and bullet sizes they cross over with one being a little faster in some and a little slower in others. You are also right sqaredneck. It is tough to find 1,000 yards of clear space and high winds in Georgia. I shoot at the 600 yard range at River Bend and then do the high wind 1,000 yard testing in South Dakota. I have caught two good wind days there. One day the wind was a nice consistent 50mph and the other it was gusting 40-50MPH. I'm not perfect at it yet but I found that widage was much more predictable than I had expected as long as I read the wind speed correctly. You just need a lot of lead at 50 mph but the tables are right. As for treestand's coke truck... well, I won't be shooting any deer at 1,000 yards if I can't nail that Coke can... it is sure harder with high velocity winds and I may just not be able to take those shots... still working on them though. My biggest problem seems to be judging the wind without a wind speed meter. I'll probably have to get one or pass on those shots. I hope to get back to South Dakota in a couple of weeks and try some more. I have no doubts about the Coke truck though... I am hoping to be at pie plate levels on the next try if I can catch some wind.
The 30-06 loaded with 190 grain Soft Point Boat Tails shoot a tad flatter and faster at 1000 yards than the 7mm Rem Mag with 175's! And not only that, for moose there is a really big difference of more damage the 30-06 does over the 7mm Rem Mag for it's larger diameter bullet and larger mushroom. The best Moose kill I ever witnessed was a Teenager with a 30-06 with over the counter Remington 180 grain Core-Lokt®. With all the other big Cannons, he was able to place his shot "MOP" and the 30-06 in no PUNK!!
Like I said, I wasn't calling BS - I figured you had to be going somewhere besides GA for that kind of wind. And yes, 1000 yd ranges are not plentiful in GA. I have access to one but you have to go when the cows aren't there....
I kept looking at the 300 Dakota vs. 300 RUM, and for the life of me I don't see the big advantage that the RUM has. I have consulted my 7 manuals that have data for both and loaddata.com (one of my favorites) for more. Both are overbore, both burn a lot of powder, BUT the Dakota looks (and probably is) more efficient and works in a shorter action. There are faster numbers going from the Nosler#6 to the Nosler#5, but Retumbo and Magnum weren't listed in the #5 for the Dakota. If you discounted those there was little appreciable difference in the performance. AND, the Dakota was doing what it was doing with 15 -20 grains less powder. At the most I saw 50-100 fps advantage if that with the RUM, and that was only on a few loads. Verdict: the 300 RUM has a larger carbon footprint....
BigBoy25, I'd like to know what manual(s) you are working from. Also in your earlier 300Win Mag vs. 338 mag, you said 3050fps for a 200g Nosler Accubond. That's a good bit faster than even Nosler's book #'s. Maybe they should publish yours. If you go from their accuracy load(which I thought we were talking accuracy here as the core of the (ahem) discussion), the number drops to 2910 fps. At that, then the 300 vs. 338 argument blurs more and more.
I'd love to see that rascal in action sometime. I bet it's hell on wheels!
Which 190 bullet for the 'o6 and which 175 for the 7 mag? Not trying to stir the s#*+pot, just trying to wrap my mind around that one....Again, not calling BS, just trying to absorb some of your knowledge....
S GA Redneck
I guess the best thing you can do is check a ballistics table. I usually look at the one on the Remington website. If you see results you're happy with there get that caliber and get a scope that is appropriate for what it will be used. Recoil is a consideration you should make too. If you develop a flinch it could mess up your shots for years to come.
Ballistics don't lie and unless you are going to reload they're not going to change so get what works for you.
Before you attempt to make a 800 yard shot do yourself a favor and step it out and see if it is within yours and your rifles capabilities first.
The above posts are written by some extremely accomplished hunters and shooters who through reading these and other posts by them have certainly earned my respect and should get yours too. Take their advice and it will help you get a great distance in your hunting career.
Treestand you would do well to heed the advice of Clay Cooper, Dakotaman , S GA Redneck and Big O, I shot a high expert with the M1 Garand in 1959,& 1960, but that was on a KD Range at Fort Riley, I know my limitations, you need to set up at a KD range and learn yours. ( For the non military people KD is A KNOWN DISTANCE RANGE.)
btw IF YOU REALLY WANT TO SHOOT @ 1,000 YARDS, there is a 1,000 yd KD range @ Camp Perry.
Camp Perry Website.
The 30-06 Hornady 190 grain Soft Point Boat tail is dramaticaly superior over the 180 at long ranges and you should see the 06 shooters trying to hit a rock the size of "MOP" with the 180 grain load and switch to my 190, what a differance!
Hornady 190 Grain Soft Point Boat Tail #3085
Loading data to be used in BOLT GUNS ONLY!!!!!
Military Salt Lake City Match Case
IMR4831 58 Grains
Federal 215 Large Rifle Magnum Primer
Crono at 2814 fps
DO NOT SHOOT THIS LOAD IN ANY RIFLE EXCEPT BOLT ACTION PERIOD!! IT'S PURE HELL ON GAS GUNS!!!!
There is more 1000 yard ranges than you know of, one is at Phoenix Arizona. My favorite range is cross canyon shooting at "MOCC" (Minute of Coffee Cup)size rocks and making pee gravel, LOL!
Ok clay, whatever you say, all hail the great Clay Cooper...... But I still say your wrong.
That is my personal load, I figured if clay was going to give his load I could use mine. The Nosler Reloading Manual tests for a .300 Win Mag. were done with a 24" Barrel, I have a 28" Barrel on my rifle. My load is 72 Grs RL-22 listed for 2960fps with a 24" barrle in the Nosler reloading manuel, add four inches to the barrel length with that load and it gives you my velocity of 3050 fps.
Oh and Clay there is only 577ft/lbs of energy difference between your .338 and a .300 Win. Mag. your right, no big differnce....
I agree with you on the foot pound, where the 338 has the advantage is the wound channel and hydrostatic shock. I have shot several Mule Deer and hundreds of Jack Rabbits and Coyotes with the 300 Win Mag I had and believe me as you probably know the loads were close or at the 300 Weatherby Factory loads.When I got my 338 Win Mag the devastation was horrific! Jack Rabbits and Coyotes were literally blown apart. When I got to Alaska June 86 thru June 90, the difference between the 300 Mags including the Super Wild Cats my 338 Had more Hydrostatic shock and much larger wound channel and you figured it, plenty of HAMBURGER!On paper looking at the Foot Pound Energy, one does think the 300 Win Mag does have an edge over the 338 Win Mag, but when you figure in the diameter of the bullet and the diameter of the mushroom this adds a totally different twist to the subject!
Too bad you wasn't up there with me, I always let my Hunting Partner have first choice to shoot while I stood behind them with binoculars calling the shots low, high left or right, hit or miss! I turned it into a miniature "Military Rattle Battle", you had a shooter and a spotter if you ever been in one, kinda like a Sniper Team!
Gotta RUN, daylights wasting and I got a kitchen pass to hit Jacks Place to get some string time in!
Time to climb a tree!
Thanks for the clarification. I figured you a)had a red-hot or near-hot pet handload, b)had a custom rig with a match chamber and a loooong, heavy, (and I'd bet cryo'd) barrel, and c) a big charge of some sort of slow-burning powder to make those kind of numbers happen.
Ok, since we have been comparing apples,oranges, and Hostess Twinkies - if you also applied that same prep to a willing .338 and did similar load development, wouldn't we be back to a near-draw? Just throwing that out there.......However for the .338 I'd personally want the either the 225 Accubond or a 210 Swift Scirocco, either for their good BC. Then you would have a drag race IMHO.
I used to drive a Coca-Cola truck. I am quite aware of the size of that particular chunk of metal, and if my wind dope numbers are right, the windage at 40mph crosswind would be well within the length of that beast. As long as he could dope his drift and elevation numbers, and it is a CONSTANT crosswind, that might be more doable than you think. Wouldn't want to take that bet. The chances of a constant crosswind that far without gusts, I dunno. Reading variable winds and doing it over distance - that's the real problem.
Thanks for the vote of confidence there. I am in no way, shape, or form a marksman of any account. I do enjoy tinkering with shooting, and have enjoyed that since the very first time I pulled the trigger on something that went bang about 35 years ago. I am still trying to become the shooter I want to be.
I agree on the .30 vs. 7mm opening/mushrooming wound part. That I can see. I'm still chewing on the other. That '06 recipe is a hot-azz load you put forth there. Kids, do not try that one without working up to it!
Thanks clay I am sure there are even more 1,000 yard ranges, the only tim I tried a 1,000 yard shot I missed 3 of five shots, I have always had glasses.
We can agree both of our combinations is deadly at long range. It's just a matter of personal preference and what gives us the most confidence I guess. I'm a numbers sort of guy, hence my pick. That bull I shot at 590 was with an '06 and a 180gr. accubond and I threw both shoulders out they were so chewed up.
You're welcome for the clarification, and I've toyed around with the idea of building a .338 long range gun, and if I did make one, I'd chamber it in .338 Edge with a 30" barrel and I'd shoot 300 grain sierra mathckings out of it, it's give you a MV of a little over 2800fps! This rifle would be effective on game up to mile, But that is a shot no hunter should take. I chose .300 Win. Mag. because it will do everything I need it to. Are there other good choices, yes, lots of them.
I too have been contemplating something 338. I have been looking at a 338-375 Ruger wildcat, since I just acquired a LH long Savage action a couple of days ago. I already have the .375 Ruger, so I have brass. It wouldn't be as quite as hot as what you have in mind.
I shot a friend's 338 Lapua (suppressed)a couple of weeks ago and had too good a time shooting it. Gave me a case of the "I wannas"........
That sounds like a neat build. I've shot Lapua's and Ultra mags and they sure have a thump don't they! If I was going to get an ultimate long range rifle, I would buy the Cheytac M-200 in .408 Cheytac! I've done quite a bit of research on it and the Barret M-99 in .416 Barret and I think it is the better system.
Out of curiosity, what would this .338 rig of yours consist of parts wise?
BigBboy25, I can see why you and I differ on whats the best choice. Your being a numbers guy while I take the numbers and toss a little spice into the stew for a different taste. 300 or 338 or "WHATEVER"!, the real question and my bottom line is, above all the hate and discontent which one is best, can you hit "MOP" with the darn thing at that distance!
By the way, once I got to my destination my Sent Lock Bibs pant leg zipper busted so I dinked around with it for an hour trying to fix it. Jumped 2 does right were I was going to setup then realized I lift my Safety Harness in my backpack at home so I ground hunted. Get ready to leave and when I stood up, a small not legal Buck and 3 Does bolted off just on the other side of a dead fall. That's OK, I still got until 28 February to hunt!
.50 cal BMG baby! Not only will it kill game at 600-800 yards, but it will also leave you with a nice mess of hamburger :-)
Reminds me of a day when I tried a head shot with a 444 Marlin with Hornady 265 grain loaded around 2200fps at about 175 yards. I hit low and vaporized the poor thing!
It was a Cotton Tail!
I know two guys that just bought .338 ultra mags. and they are pleased with there performance out to 800yds
Like I said, it all depends how much punishment you can take! After4 years in Alaska, the 338 is my choice in the knockem down department! Nothing wrong with the 30 cal's, I think personally the 338 has a bit more edge over it and I can hit with my 338 Win Mag at those ranges.
I have done some in creidable stuff at those ranges with my 30-06, so it all burns down to the ability to hit "MOP" at those ranges!
Right now the closest I can get is mostly dreaming, but I have gone as far as discussing it with my gunsmith pal down here. Probably a #5 contour barrel, stainless, 26-27", have him blueprint the action I already have, a Mcmillan stock (if the budget would hold) w/ blind magazine, custom trigger, pull the Elite 6500 off my AR Varmint....or if I can hide the tax refund maybe a Nightforce....
Maybe get the gun in the 10-11lb. neighborhood. Carriable, but not a total punisher. I want a little more weight than my Ruger African is now.
That sounds good. My rifles are pretty heavy, two weighing 11 lbs and another weighing 14. Not a lot of fun to lug up the hill, but worth it in the long run for me.
.338-.460 Weatherby is my cartidge. 19-68x82AO scope. 19,000 grains of Retumbo down the 56.7 inch barrel gives me 5280fps, or a mile a second - that extra velocity gives me confidence knowing that if I get close enough, my quarry will be down in less than a second after I pull the trigger. Rifle weighs 22 pounds, 17 ounces. The muzzle break redirects the report to a rural town in Moldova, but I still plug and muff. It's nasty. Might be the loudest gun I've shot. Recoil's not so bad though.
300 win mag or mayby .270 with some practice that will take good shot placement on elk
With some practice that will take good shot placement on elk?
and a +1 for you Sir!
.300 Win Mag
or a .50 BMG, sneak in a bit closer
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