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I have been in the search for a good 30-06, I have narrowed it down to the Marlin XL7 and the standard Weatherby Vangaurd. For scopes I am looking at either the Leupold Rifleman series or th Nikon Prostaff series. Which rifle should I get? Which scope should I get? Any input form owners or previous owners of these guns and scopes would be nice also. Thanks.

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from shane wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

That's a tough one. Both great rifles at great prices. I guess it just depends if you want to spend a little more on the Weatherby, but it's a tad nicer. The Marlin is lighter, could possibly be more accurate, but doesn't have the 1.5 moa guarantee the Vanguard does. It has the Savage like trigger which is a big plus, it helps you be more accurate.

I wouldn't get either scope. I would hold out for Leupold VX or at least Nikon Buckmasters scopes. Maybe Sightron, you hear a lot of good things about them here. Check out Bushnell Elite 3200, too.

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from hnestle wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Not sure about the rifle never shot a marlin XL7, but I have 1 Rifleman and 6 Prostaffs. Don't waste the extra money on a rifleman. Everyone has the own preferences, but I have never had an issues with my prostaff's, but my rifleman starts fogging up inside the scope when it's below about 10 degrees.

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from NolanOsborne wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Savage?

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from kolbster wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

i have 2 prostaffs, they are by far the best scope ive ever used, i also have a vx-1 and i like the prostaff much better.

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from Muleynut30.06 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I own a Prostaff and I have never had any problems wiht it its clear and it doesnt fog up when your breathing hard from a hike

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I don't have an opinion on the Marlin but I had a Howa bolt action that is the same gun as the Vanguard(they make that for Weatherby). It was a fantastic gun, VERY accurate, crisp trigger. Only problem -I am a southpaw and it was righty. I gave it to a friend who had his house broken into and all his guns stolen. Seemed like the right thing to do.

As for the scopes, I have leaned toward Nikon in the past. IMO don't get the prostaff or the buckmaster, save a little more and get the Monarch. You will have a better optic by far. As for Leupold, if that's the way you want to go, look at the posts in a not-so-distant back question from Clay, Dakota, and WaMtn. They are Leupold savvy and can guide you there.

Shane suggested the 3200 Elite Bushnell. I have a Bushnell 3200 Elite 3x9x50 firefly on one of my rifles and its good too. If you have the $$$ move up to the 2.5x16x42 Elite 6500. I recently got one of those and am VERY impressed with it.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

The bottom line with the rifle is to get the one you like the heft and feel of. That is the one you will shoot the best, regardless of make. Hard to beat that old warhorse Howa/Vanguard, but I hear the S7W I-bolt and Marlin's are pretty good rifles.

As I have posted earlier, I would recommend you not buy the bottom end of Nikon, Bushnell, Leupold, or Sightron. Take a look at the new U.S.A. Redfields made in Oregon. Start at least in the middle of the product line of the brands that have been mentioned above. Simmons, Tasco, cheap Bushnell's, and anything under $200 MSRP is suspect. Can't go wrong with a Nikon Buckmaster, Leupold VX-II, or Sightron S-II and the Bushnell Elite 3200 or 4200. Leave the lesser scopes in the store if at all possible. Buy a good scope and it will last almost a lifetime, that is until you see something you like better!

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I handled a couple XL7s this year but unfortunately the caliber i want is unavailable. Seems like a good gun for the money and in .30-06 its widely available. Buy it and spurge on good glass. That's what i'd do

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I have yet to fire the Marlin XL7, so I can't offer you complete objectivity. I have used Weatherby Vanguards and I consider them a good choice. As for glassware, a good scope os a long-term investment. Whether you choose Leupold or Nikon, the best scope you can (barely) afford at the lowest price you can find is a good choice.

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from johnycakes wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

As far the rifles go that is up to you. I hear good things about both. I can speak for Nikon scopes and say that mine have served me well. I have Prostaff 3-9x 40, on my 30-30, buckmaster 4-12x50 on my .300winmag and omega3-9x40 on muzzlelaoder.

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from 007 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

We have two Prostaff scopes, like them very much.

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from IanS wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I have a Leupold FXII 4 x 33 on my rifle (Tikka T3 270 win)It is fantastic. If I were you I`d buy a Tikka. The rifle is the best I`ve ever had and the Optilock rings and bases hold the scope on like a vise.

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

The Howa/Vangard is a very good rifle. I've seen some rough triggers on both. If your trigger is not up to par Weatherby will fix it if returned to the factory.
The XL7's are also very good. The XL7 trigger is similar to the Savage but not the same. It is fully adjustable and on the rifle I shot was excellent. Both rifle will give you good accuracy.

As for the glass, I am very partial to Leupold VX-II's. For the money they deliver the goods and have a lifetime warranty. I also own several VX-III's. I really can't discern any difference in optical quality in either. Both the II's and III's let me see well way before shooting hours and well after. My favorite nighttime (crop protection) hog rifle wears a VX-II, In open crop fields at night I do not need a spot light to dispatch those vermin! They are also made in the USA. Nikons are made in the Phillipines.

I visited with the Redfield staff at a recent trade show and was impressed with their new line up. The scope line is owned by Leupold Stevens and they are made in the Leupold plant in Beaverton, Oregon. They are no nonsense scopes with good lens coatings, excellent clarity, matte finish and a lifetime warranty. The Redfield folks said they are the equivalent of a VX-I at a slightly lower price. Reviews have been good on the Redfields.

The Bushnell 4200 is a very good scope and reasonably priced considering the features. The 6500 is an excellent scope but expensive. As are the VX-III's from Leupold.

Nikon does make good glass but as in all scope lines buy from the middle up and save up to get the best you can afford. You will not regret it as good rifle scopes are a lifetime investment just like the rifle you fit them to.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Concerning the VX-II and VX-III lines; the older ones are optically and mechanically the same except the VX-III lenses are fully multi-coated and the VX-II exterior lenses are multicoated , but not all internal lens surfaces are coated, but not multicoated as I recall. The new VX-3 is an upgraded VX-III. How much better I have no clue. I have had my eye on a bargain priced Kahles 30mm tube Helia C for a while now for my long range shooter.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

All my centerfire rifles sport Leupold VXIII's and they have never failed to perform. However my newest scope is the Bushnell elite 6500 in 4.5-30. Dave Petzal recommended this scope to me over leupold and Burris. It appears to be outstanding and street prices are less than comparable Leupold. This scope will go on my new varmint rifle if ER Shaw ever gets done buidling it. Just remember this a low priced rifle with quality rings and scope is far superior to a quality rifle with cheap rings and/or scope. Many times I have seen guys with the latter. Saw several guys that paid to hunt Alaska get very frustrated when the cheapo scope fogged or would not hold it's zero. The problem is most cheapo scopes LOOK just as pretty as the higher priced scope. The real difference is internal. Burris has a very informative video on their website that explains all this. It is a real eye opener. Suggest you check it out. If memory serves I posted a link to this video a few months ago.

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from shane wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

That's a tough one. Both great rifles at great prices. I guess it just depends if you want to spend a little more on the Weatherby, but it's a tad nicer. The Marlin is lighter, could possibly be more accurate, but doesn't have the 1.5 moa guarantee the Vanguard does. It has the Savage like trigger which is a big plus, it helps you be more accurate.

I wouldn't get either scope. I would hold out for Leupold VX or at least Nikon Buckmasters scopes. Maybe Sightron, you hear a lot of good things about them here. Check out Bushnell Elite 3200, too.

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from hnestle wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Not sure about the rifle never shot a marlin XL7, but I have 1 Rifleman and 6 Prostaffs. Don't waste the extra money on a rifleman. Everyone has the own preferences, but I have never had an issues with my prostaff's, but my rifleman starts fogging up inside the scope when it's below about 10 degrees.

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from NolanOsborne wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Savage?

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from kolbster wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

i have 2 prostaffs, they are by far the best scope ive ever used, i also have a vx-1 and i like the prostaff much better.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I have yet to fire the Marlin XL7, so I can't offer you complete objectivity. I have used Weatherby Vanguards and I consider them a good choice. As for glassware, a good scope os a long-term investment. Whether you choose Leupold or Nikon, the best scope you can (barely) afford at the lowest price you can find is a good choice.

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from Muleynut30.06 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I own a Prostaff and I have never had any problems wiht it its clear and it doesnt fog up when your breathing hard from a hike

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I don't have an opinion on the Marlin but I had a Howa bolt action that is the same gun as the Vanguard(they make that for Weatherby). It was a fantastic gun, VERY accurate, crisp trigger. Only problem -I am a southpaw and it was righty. I gave it to a friend who had his house broken into and all his guns stolen. Seemed like the right thing to do.

As for the scopes, I have leaned toward Nikon in the past. IMO don't get the prostaff or the buckmaster, save a little more and get the Monarch. You will have a better optic by far. As for Leupold, if that's the way you want to go, look at the posts in a not-so-distant back question from Clay, Dakota, and WaMtn. They are Leupold savvy and can guide you there.

Shane suggested the 3200 Elite Bushnell. I have a Bushnell 3200 Elite 3x9x50 firefly on one of my rifles and its good too. If you have the $$$ move up to the 2.5x16x42 Elite 6500. I recently got one of those and am VERY impressed with it.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

The bottom line with the rifle is to get the one you like the heft and feel of. That is the one you will shoot the best, regardless of make. Hard to beat that old warhorse Howa/Vanguard, but I hear the S7W I-bolt and Marlin's are pretty good rifles.

As I have posted earlier, I would recommend you not buy the bottom end of Nikon, Bushnell, Leupold, or Sightron. Take a look at the new U.S.A. Redfields made in Oregon. Start at least in the middle of the product line of the brands that have been mentioned above. Simmons, Tasco, cheap Bushnell's, and anything under $200 MSRP is suspect. Can't go wrong with a Nikon Buckmaster, Leupold VX-II, or Sightron S-II and the Bushnell Elite 3200 or 4200. Leave the lesser scopes in the store if at all possible. Buy a good scope and it will last almost a lifetime, that is until you see something you like better!

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I handled a couple XL7s this year but unfortunately the caliber i want is unavailable. Seems like a good gun for the money and in .30-06 its widely available. Buy it and spurge on good glass. That's what i'd do

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from johnycakes wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

As far the rifles go that is up to you. I hear good things about both. I can speak for Nikon scopes and say that mine have served me well. I have Prostaff 3-9x 40, on my 30-30, buckmaster 4-12x50 on my .300winmag and omega3-9x40 on muzzlelaoder.

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from 007 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

We have two Prostaff scopes, like them very much.

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from IanS wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I have a Leupold FXII 4 x 33 on my rifle (Tikka T3 270 win)It is fantastic. If I were you I`d buy a Tikka. The rifle is the best I`ve ever had and the Optilock rings and bases hold the scope on like a vise.

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

The Howa/Vangard is a very good rifle. I've seen some rough triggers on both. If your trigger is not up to par Weatherby will fix it if returned to the factory.
The XL7's are also very good. The XL7 trigger is similar to the Savage but not the same. It is fully adjustable and on the rifle I shot was excellent. Both rifle will give you good accuracy.

As for the glass, I am very partial to Leupold VX-II's. For the money they deliver the goods and have a lifetime warranty. I also own several VX-III's. I really can't discern any difference in optical quality in either. Both the II's and III's let me see well way before shooting hours and well after. My favorite nighttime (crop protection) hog rifle wears a VX-II, In open crop fields at night I do not need a spot light to dispatch those vermin! They are also made in the USA. Nikons are made in the Phillipines.

I visited with the Redfield staff at a recent trade show and was impressed with their new line up. The scope line is owned by Leupold Stevens and they are made in the Leupold plant in Beaverton, Oregon. They are no nonsense scopes with good lens coatings, excellent clarity, matte finish and a lifetime warranty. The Redfield folks said they are the equivalent of a VX-I at a slightly lower price. Reviews have been good on the Redfields.

The Bushnell 4200 is a very good scope and reasonably priced considering the features. The 6500 is an excellent scope but expensive. As are the VX-III's from Leupold.

Nikon does make good glass but as in all scope lines buy from the middle up and save up to get the best you can afford. You will not regret it as good rifle scopes are a lifetime investment just like the rifle you fit them to.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Concerning the VX-II and VX-III lines; the older ones are optically and mechanically the same except the VX-III lenses are fully multi-coated and the VX-II exterior lenses are multicoated , but not all internal lens surfaces are coated, but not multicoated as I recall. The new VX-3 is an upgraded VX-III. How much better I have no clue. I have had my eye on a bargain priced Kahles 30mm tube Helia C for a while now for my long range shooter.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

All my centerfire rifles sport Leupold VXIII's and they have never failed to perform. However my newest scope is the Bushnell elite 6500 in 4.5-30. Dave Petzal recommended this scope to me over leupold and Burris. It appears to be outstanding and street prices are less than comparable Leupold. This scope will go on my new varmint rifle if ER Shaw ever gets done buidling it. Just remember this a low priced rifle with quality rings and scope is far superior to a quality rifle with cheap rings and/or scope. Many times I have seen guys with the latter. Saw several guys that paid to hunt Alaska get very frustrated when the cheapo scope fogged or would not hold it's zero. The problem is most cheapo scopes LOOK just as pretty as the higher priced scope. The real difference is internal. Burris has a very informative video on their website that explains all this. It is a real eye opener. Suggest you check it out. If memory serves I posted a link to this video a few months ago.

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