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Is a .270 underpowered for Ontario Black Bear?

Question by NolanOsborne. Uploaded on December 16, 2009

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from NolanOsborne wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I would think not, but I figured I would ask for your advice.

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from hi_tail wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

Use the right bullet weight i.e. 150gr [or heavier if you handload], line up your shot correctly, and he'll go down no problem.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

A bruin was hit by a semitruck about 65 miles north of my home (NW Ontario) a few years back. It tipped the scales at about 760 lbs. An 800 lb blackie was reportedly shot near Dryden. I personally saw one at the dump in Armstrong that MUST have easily gone over 600 lbs. I've seen dead ones at 550 and this guy dwarfed those. Regular size bears are hard enough to kill. Sorry, but I wouldn't feel very confident looking down the sights at one of the new generation black bears with a .270.

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from Dbetzner wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I know a guy who killed his first black bear with a 270 i beleive he was hunting in Manitoba (SP?) the shot was close it was under 50 yards.

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from IanS wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I'd use mine on one. Shot placement is more important than gun size.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

With a heavier bonded or solid(barnes type) bullet i think you're fine. The heaviest Blackie i've seen was shot in Pa. with a .30/30 at 300 yds. While larger diameter than the .270, (.308" vs .277") we all know the .30/30 lacks velocity and terminal(kinetic) energy at that range. The bear however was not swayed by this. The 600# bruin barely fit in a pick-up bed. The .30/30 is a very popular bear cartridge especially amongst old timers and northeastern hunters. The .270 with a good bullet would be much more effective, seems to me anyway.

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from IanS wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

To add to my last answer...

I think ammo is a little tougher to locate except at actual sporting good stores. You may not find it in every gas station and hardware you walk into. Something to consider if you're an hour from home and have forgotten your bullets.

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from IanS wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

To add to my last answer...

I think ammo is a little tougher to locate except at actual sporting good stores. You may not find it in every gas station and hardware you walk into. Something to consider if you're an hour from home and have forgotten your bullets.

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from IanS wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I guess I'm adding here again... I don't know what happened to make my answer come up twice and why it ended up under this question. Not my intention or opinion of the 270 at all.

Sorry for the multiple posts.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I would prefer a 30-06, but the 270 with a 150 will do a fine job!

I wouldn't give it a second thought of shooting a Black Bear with my 25-06, so using a 270?

GO FIGURE AND ENJOY YOUR HUNT!!

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

Listen to cooper he is giving you very good advice.

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

Use the .270 and 150 grain premium bullet like the Swift A-frame or a Barnes X bullet. Enjoy your hunt.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I wouldn't try shooting a moose with a .270. I can barely get my 30-06 to do the job. A moose doesn't have sharp claws and teeth so I guess I might be a little more tolerant of someone who feels they can go with marginal calibers when hunting them. But when it comes to big bears of similar mass with low center of gravity and even lower pulse rate, you better go big or stay at home. Or maybe you won't be coming home. Clay, you can take your 25-06 out for bear, but I won't be backing you up. And no one else should either. You're just asking for trouble.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I'll back you up with my .35 Whelen any day! LOL

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from Jeff Bowers wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I have to say that if you're wondering, worrying, and agonizing whether the round is powerful enough to be SURE, it isn't.

I would think about bears as if my life depended on it, and with them, it might be.

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from anjadams wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

A 270 will be fine for black bear. Go with a heavy bullet.

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from bamaoutdoorsman93 wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

A 270 will kill pretty much anything in north america. 150 grain bullet+ and youll be fine.

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from codyboyd wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

ur just fine dude. it will take it down just fine. you will have fun shooting them too. im going there to some friends and i hopefully can fill a black bear tag while im up there. have fun!

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from shane wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

Honestly I think the best factory round here would be Remington with 140 grain TBBC.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

Shooting a 500-600 lb bear with a 140-150 gr bullet is putting yourself at unnecessary risk. Yeah, guys shoot em with bows too. But if they're not in a tree stand, they're nuts. Wait a minute! This guy is coming up here to hunt bears. So he probably will be "hunting" them in a tree stand with a bucket of bait out front (very thrilling). Go ahead then. Shoot em with a .22 if you want. But I'm staying up in the stand while you walk around by yourself in the thick Ontario undergrowth trying to find the bear you hit with a marginal gun.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

shane

Remington does not load any Speer products like the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. Only Federal loads those bullets aside from some of the custom ammo houses like Superior in Sturgis, SD or Conley precision in Mississippi.

Remington does load a fine 140 grain Swift A-Frame in .270 Winchester.

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from muskiemaster wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

with a well placed shot I think you should be fine.

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from shane wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

Crap. You're right. I can dream, can't I? Bear Claw for bear. But yeah the TBBC 140 grain is where it's at if you're trying to go big with a .270. I think it's a better idea than a 150 with lesser bullets. That 140 grain A-frame fits too.

A lot of people think the big bullet makes up for things, but a faster better bullet will perform more effectively. OK well a 150 grain .277 TSX is like a freaking javelin and probably can't be beat, but at this point you just need to gun up. If you're needing 150 grain or larger bullets, take a rifle meant to shoot them.

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from abrege wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

With proper bullet and a good shot you'll have no problem. One other point that is often overlooked is range, bear country is thick so shots are often close. Make sure if you have a scope that it will not be full of black at close range. This makes for poor shot placement and angry bears.

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from dangerous game wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

for something as dangerous as a bear you do not want to use a .270 but it can work. I've seen videos of bears that have taken two shots from a 375. so i would start out withh the 7mm mags on the small side and anything up to a 416 is a good bear caliber.

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from dangerous game wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

@claycooper: he's not going to be enjoying his hunt if he's dead. go big.

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from NolanOsborne wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

OntarioHunter, I am an Ontario resident, and I'm hunting in "southern ontario" near Georgian Bay. I know the land, and I realize the risk of taking marginal shots on any animal, especially a dangerous one. A Local landowner has bears, and wants someone to hunt them. I will likely not use the .270 win. as I have access to rifles in that caliber, along with .303 Brit and some .50 muzzleloaders. I also am aware that I am young (20) and lack experience compared to many of the members here. That's why I asked the question instead of blundering out there with a marginally adequate rifle. At the time of the original posting my .303 was not a possibility.
I am also considering buying a rifle, possibly in .30-06 or .308, but that depends on school, work, and hunting opportunity.

Thank you to everyone who posted on this for the helpful input.

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from Brian Phipps wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

I seen a few bears dropped with a .270 in the past few years

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from elchiparino wrote 4 years 7 weeks ago

A 270 WSM will definitely do the job but be prepared to make at least one follow up shot. I killed a 760 lb black bear in Hyde County NC last November with a 270 WSM and posted the pic somewhere on this website. He was 156 yards away. The first shot hit him right behind the shoulder and would have killed him but he just stood there. I kept firing until he rolled and stopped moving. It took six rounds to drop him where he stood. If you are going to shoot at bruins that large, a semiauto is good. I used a Benelli R1.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I would prefer a 30-06, but the 270 with a 150 will do a fine job!

I wouldn't give it a second thought of shooting a Black Bear with my 25-06, so using a 270?

GO FIGURE AND ENJOY YOUR HUNT!!

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

Shooting a 500-600 lb bear with a 140-150 gr bullet is putting yourself at unnecessary risk. Yeah, guys shoot em with bows too. But if they're not in a tree stand, they're nuts. Wait a minute! This guy is coming up here to hunt bears. So he probably will be "hunting" them in a tree stand with a bucket of bait out front (very thrilling). Go ahead then. Shoot em with a .22 if you want. But I'm staying up in the stand while you walk around by yourself in the thick Ontario undergrowth trying to find the bear you hit with a marginal gun.

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from hi_tail wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

Use the right bullet weight i.e. 150gr [or heavier if you handload], line up your shot correctly, and he'll go down no problem.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

A bruin was hit by a semitruck about 65 miles north of my home (NW Ontario) a few years back. It tipped the scales at about 760 lbs. An 800 lb blackie was reportedly shot near Dryden. I personally saw one at the dump in Armstrong that MUST have easily gone over 600 lbs. I've seen dead ones at 550 and this guy dwarfed those. Regular size bears are hard enough to kill. Sorry, but I wouldn't feel very confident looking down the sights at one of the new generation black bears with a .270.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

With a heavier bonded or solid(barnes type) bullet i think you're fine. The heaviest Blackie i've seen was shot in Pa. with a .30/30 at 300 yds. While larger diameter than the .270, (.308" vs .277") we all know the .30/30 lacks velocity and terminal(kinetic) energy at that range. The bear however was not swayed by this. The 600# bruin barely fit in a pick-up bed. The .30/30 is a very popular bear cartridge especially amongst old timers and northeastern hunters. The .270 with a good bullet would be much more effective, seems to me anyway.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I wouldn't try shooting a moose with a .270. I can barely get my 30-06 to do the job. A moose doesn't have sharp claws and teeth so I guess I might be a little more tolerant of someone who feels they can go with marginal calibers when hunting them. But when it comes to big bears of similar mass with low center of gravity and even lower pulse rate, you better go big or stay at home. Or maybe you won't be coming home. Clay, you can take your 25-06 out for bear, but I won't be backing you up. And no one else should either. You're just asking for trouble.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I'll back you up with my .35 Whelen any day! LOL

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from NolanOsborne wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I would think not, but I figured I would ask for your advice.

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from Dbetzner wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I know a guy who killed his first black bear with a 270 i beleive he was hunting in Manitoba (SP?) the shot was close it was under 50 yards.

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from IanS wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I'd use mine on one. Shot placement is more important than gun size.

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from IanS wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I guess I'm adding here again... I don't know what happened to make my answer come up twice and why it ended up under this question. Not my intention or opinion of the 270 at all.

Sorry for the multiple posts.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

Listen to cooper he is giving you very good advice.

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

Use the .270 and 150 grain premium bullet like the Swift A-frame or a Barnes X bullet. Enjoy your hunt.

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from shane wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

Crap. You're right. I can dream, can't I? Bear Claw for bear. But yeah the TBBC 140 grain is where it's at if you're trying to go big with a .270. I think it's a better idea than a 150 with lesser bullets. That 140 grain A-frame fits too.

A lot of people think the big bullet makes up for things, but a faster better bullet will perform more effectively. OK well a 150 grain .277 TSX is like a freaking javelin and probably can't be beat, but at this point you just need to gun up. If you're needing 150 grain or larger bullets, take a rifle meant to shoot them.

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from IanS wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

To add to my last answer...

I think ammo is a little tougher to locate except at actual sporting good stores. You may not find it in every gas station and hardware you walk into. Something to consider if you're an hour from home and have forgotten your bullets.

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from IanS wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

To add to my last answer...

I think ammo is a little tougher to locate except at actual sporting good stores. You may not find it in every gas station and hardware you walk into. Something to consider if you're an hour from home and have forgotten your bullets.

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from Jeff Bowers wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

I have to say that if you're wondering, worrying, and agonizing whether the round is powerful enough to be SURE, it isn't.

I would think about bears as if my life depended on it, and with them, it might be.

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from anjadams wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

A 270 will be fine for black bear. Go with a heavy bullet.

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from bamaoutdoorsman93 wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

A 270 will kill pretty much anything in north america. 150 grain bullet+ and youll be fine.

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from codyboyd wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

ur just fine dude. it will take it down just fine. you will have fun shooting them too. im going there to some friends and i hopefully can fill a black bear tag while im up there. have fun!

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from shane wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

Honestly I think the best factory round here would be Remington with 140 grain TBBC.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

shane

Remington does not load any Speer products like the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. Only Federal loads those bullets aside from some of the custom ammo houses like Superior in Sturgis, SD or Conley precision in Mississippi.

Remington does load a fine 140 grain Swift A-Frame in .270 Winchester.

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from muskiemaster wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

with a well placed shot I think you should be fine.

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from abrege wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

With proper bullet and a good shot you'll have no problem. One other point that is often overlooked is range, bear country is thick so shots are often close. Make sure if you have a scope that it will not be full of black at close range. This makes for poor shot placement and angry bears.

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from dangerous game wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

for something as dangerous as a bear you do not want to use a .270 but it can work. I've seen videos of bears that have taken two shots from a 375. so i would start out withh the 7mm mags on the small side and anything up to a 416 is a good bear caliber.

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from dangerous game wrote 4 years 17 weeks ago

@claycooper: he's not going to be enjoying his hunt if he's dead. go big.

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from NolanOsborne wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

OntarioHunter, I am an Ontario resident, and I'm hunting in "southern ontario" near Georgian Bay. I know the land, and I realize the risk of taking marginal shots on any animal, especially a dangerous one. A Local landowner has bears, and wants someone to hunt them. I will likely not use the .270 win. as I have access to rifles in that caliber, along with .303 Brit and some .50 muzzleloaders. I also am aware that I am young (20) and lack experience compared to many of the members here. That's why I asked the question instead of blundering out there with a marginally adequate rifle. At the time of the original posting my .303 was not a possibility.
I am also considering buying a rifle, possibly in .30-06 or .308, but that depends on school, work, and hunting opportunity.

Thank you to everyone who posted on this for the helpful input.

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from Brian Phipps wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

I seen a few bears dropped with a .270 in the past few years

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from elchiparino wrote 4 years 7 weeks ago

A 270 WSM will definitely do the job but be prepared to make at least one follow up shot. I killed a 760 lb black bear in Hyde County NC last November with a 270 WSM and posted the pic somewhere on this website. He was 156 yards away. The first shot hit him right behind the shoulder and would have killed him but he just stood there. I kept firing until he rolled and stopped moving. It took six rounds to drop him where he stood. If you are going to shoot at bruins that large, a semiauto is good. I used a Benelli R1.

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