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Arkansas continues to debate allowing fall turkey. Hunters are starting to advocate gobblers only in the fall too. I have thought this was a good idea. Do you think hunters could identify sexes in the fall good enough for this to work? ~~~~~ some links in first comment

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from country road wrote 6 weeks 23 hours ago

If you can call turkeys in close enough to shoot with a shotgun, you should be able to distinguish between a hen and a young gobbler, especially if you have one of each for comparison. There's a significant difference. If you can't tell, let the bird walk. Of course, mature gobblers are easy to spot--shouldn't be any problem there. (I'm asssuming that we're talking about easterns, which are the only ones I have any experience with.)

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from Moishe wrote 6 weeks 22 hours ago

If you cant tell the difference (and that should only happen with jakes) don't shoot.

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from Elmer Fudd wrote 6 weeks 21 hours ago

I think it would mean you'd have to give up on shooting at flying jakes. An education process. Possible they figure it won't work

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from Big O wrote 6 weeks 20 hours ago

A "beard" is a "beard". Hard NOT to be able to tell the diff. Nice idea though.

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from BioGuy wrote 6 weeks 20 hours ago

From my experience working with wildlife agencies...the people working at the top of the chain are better at negotiating politics than they are at implimenting sound biological practices and using common sense.

According the the write-up on the website, the concern was about declining spring turkey harvests. That right there would cause me to look at two things immediately. First would be the weather from May-July for the previous 5 years, and second would be the number of licenses sold over the timespan of declined harvest. Wet springs means fewer turkeys a couple years down the line, and fewer tags sold results in fewer harvests. If they could find a direct correlation with either of those, and the declining spring harvest, they may save themselves a lot of the headaches associated with regulation changes and cancelled seasons.

From my standpoint, the reason they gave for closing the season seemed really weak, and the action was drastic and not very well thought out. It seemed like it was based on someones opinion, rather than sound science.

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from nickelback64 wrote 6 weeks 18 hours ago

Just do what they do in Massachusetts, which is hunt only bearded turkeys.

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from Elmer Fudd wrote 6 weeks 17 hours ago

nickelback64, you made me look that up, but you are wrong, Massachusetts does not say bearded only in the *Fall* but either sex then. I think you missed that this is "Fall" we are talking about.

http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/regulations/plain_language/hunting_turkey...

"7. BAG LIMITS:
(a) the season bag and possession limit is 2 turkeys. An adult hunter may choose either of the following options:
(b) two birds in the spring (bearded birds only); only 1 bird per day; with no fall turkey allowed; or
(c) one bearded bird in the spring and one bird of either sex in the fall.
(d) Note: it is not permissible to take 2 birds in the fall season.
(e) the bag limit during the 1-day mentored youth turkey hunt is one bearded turkey per youth."

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from BioGuy wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

Just want to remind everyone that bearded hens are not uncommon...so a bearded bird harvest nearly always involves taking a few hens.

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from BioGuy wrote 6 weeks 20 hours ago

From my experience working with wildlife agencies...the people working at the top of the chain are better at negotiating politics than they are at implimenting sound biological practices and using common sense.

According the the write-up on the website, the concern was about declining spring turkey harvests. That right there would cause me to look at two things immediately. First would be the weather from May-July for the previous 5 years, and second would be the number of licenses sold over the timespan of declined harvest. Wet springs means fewer turkeys a couple years down the line, and fewer tags sold results in fewer harvests. If they could find a direct correlation with either of those, and the declining spring harvest, they may save themselves a lot of the headaches associated with regulation changes and cancelled seasons.

From my standpoint, the reason they gave for closing the season seemed really weak, and the action was drastic and not very well thought out. It seemed like it was based on someones opinion, rather than sound science.

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from country road wrote 6 weeks 23 hours ago

If you can call turkeys in close enough to shoot with a shotgun, you should be able to distinguish between a hen and a young gobbler, especially if you have one of each for comparison. There's a significant difference. If you can't tell, let the bird walk. Of course, mature gobblers are easy to spot--shouldn't be any problem there. (I'm asssuming that we're talking about easterns, which are the only ones I have any experience with.)

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from Moishe wrote 6 weeks 22 hours ago

If you cant tell the difference (and that should only happen with jakes) don't shoot.

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from Elmer Fudd wrote 6 weeks 21 hours ago

I think it would mean you'd have to give up on shooting at flying jakes. An education process. Possible they figure it won't work

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from Big O wrote 6 weeks 20 hours ago

A "beard" is a "beard". Hard NOT to be able to tell the diff. Nice idea though.

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from nickelback64 wrote 6 weeks 18 hours ago

Just do what they do in Massachusetts, which is hunt only bearded turkeys.

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from Elmer Fudd wrote 6 weeks 17 hours ago

nickelback64, you made me look that up, but you are wrong, Massachusetts does not say bearded only in the *Fall* but either sex then. I think you missed that this is "Fall" we are talking about.

http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/regulations/plain_language/hunting_turkey...

"7. BAG LIMITS:
(a) the season bag and possession limit is 2 turkeys. An adult hunter may choose either of the following options:
(b) two birds in the spring (bearded birds only); only 1 bird per day; with no fall turkey allowed; or
(c) one bearded bird in the spring and one bird of either sex in the fall.
(d) Note: it is not permissible to take 2 birds in the fall season.
(e) the bag limit during the 1-day mentored youth turkey hunt is one bearded turkey per youth."

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from BioGuy wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

Just want to remind everyone that bearded hens are not uncommon...so a bearded bird harvest nearly always involves taking a few hens.

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