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Going by atomic weight, the alloys used in non-toxic shot are atom-for-atom lighter than lead. In other words, an atom of lead weighs more than an atom of the alloy on average. How can the non-toxic shot claim that it is heavier than lead?

Question by Elmer Fudd. Uploaded on July 04, 2009

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from Teodoro wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Well, either they're lying, or the atoms are packed more closely together. Ice and liquid water have the same atomic structure, but a cubic foot of ice weighs less than a cubic foot of liquid water.

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from CavRecon wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Witchcraft and marketing!

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from hunterkid94 wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

its all in the marketing....i dont think they plan on people knowing about the atom weight and atom density.

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from shane wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

I don't know, exactly what alloys you mean, but bismuth is common, and is heavier than lead in atomic weight.

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from BamaCreekBum wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Kent makes Tungsten shot. Idk if its heavier or not but it should as much as it costs.

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from Elmer Fudd wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

the bismuth, though, is an alloy with something lighter.

Anyway, alot or all of these are heavier than lead because of the density, so I will say Teodoro got it right. Remember how lead is kind of soft, and you can squeeze lead fishing weights around your line with pliers? These other metals they use now are denser.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Not sure but what I do know for a fact is high density shot patterns better and kills at greater range than lead or steel. Been hunting turkey many years. Turkey that walked away untouched by lead now fall dead and flop when shot with HD #6 shot.

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from charlie elk wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Heavy shot is denser. Put the shell on a scale it is heavier than lead shell loaded the same. You are over thinking this.

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from Elmer Fudd wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Two In case it wasn't clear, I was doing a "Del" and asking a question I knew the answer to. Lead is less dense. The other metals can be denser. The weight of an atom is important but less important. See message board/campfire for a link to an article.

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from Jeff4066 wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Are we going to reach the point where nobody knows whether ANYONE is asking something legit versus fooling around?

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from charlie elk wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

You are right Jeff it seems there are those who are just trying to increase their point totals.
F&S has the points heavily weighted to Q&A.

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from blackdawgz wrote 2 years 1 week ago

Tungsten (Wolfram) is heavy stuff. I'll go look it up. Yep, looks like you're right. Mebbe they should use depleted Uranium. I don't know...

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from Teodoro wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Well, either they're lying, or the atoms are packed more closely together. Ice and liquid water have the same atomic structure, but a cubic foot of ice weighs less than a cubic foot of liquid water.

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from shane wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

I don't know, exactly what alloys you mean, but bismuth is common, and is heavier than lead in atomic weight.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Not sure but what I do know for a fact is high density shot patterns better and kills at greater range than lead or steel. Been hunting turkey many years. Turkey that walked away untouched by lead now fall dead and flop when shot with HD #6 shot.

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from Jeff4066 wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Are we going to reach the point where nobody knows whether ANYONE is asking something legit versus fooling around?

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from CavRecon wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Witchcraft and marketing!

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from hunterkid94 wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

its all in the marketing....i dont think they plan on people knowing about the atom weight and atom density.

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from BamaCreekBum wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Kent makes Tungsten shot. Idk if its heavier or not but it should as much as it costs.

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from charlie elk wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Heavy shot is denser. Put the shell on a scale it is heavier than lead shell loaded the same. You are over thinking this.

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from Elmer Fudd wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Two In case it wasn't clear, I was doing a "Del" and asking a question I knew the answer to. Lead is less dense. The other metals can be denser. The weight of an atom is important but less important. See message board/campfire for a link to an article.

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from Elmer Fudd wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

the bismuth, though, is an alloy with something lighter.

Anyway, alot or all of these are heavier than lead because of the density, so I will say Teodoro got it right. Remember how lead is kind of soft, and you can squeeze lead fishing weights around your line with pliers? These other metals they use now are denser.

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from charlie elk wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

You are right Jeff it seems there are those who are just trying to increase their point totals.
F&S has the points heavily weighted to Q&A.

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from blackdawgz wrote 2 years 1 week ago

Tungsten (Wolfram) is heavy stuff. I'll go look it up. Yep, looks like you're right. Mebbe they should use depleted Uranium. I don't know...

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