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How many of you own private land and what do you do if you see a dog running around and you know that dog is chasing deer away from your stand. I asked that because at my cabin, if we see a dog, we are supposed to shoot it. Now yesterday, I was riding my 4 wheeler up to one of my foodplots and I saw something's butt end run into the woods. I didn't know what it was at first but then it came out into the middle of the road. It was a beagle no than 1 year old. She started to run at me so I drew my pistol quick and as soon as she got to me, I was about to shoot because I thought that she might have been rabid, and she started rubbing up against me wanting me to pet her. I don't know about any of you, but I just couldn't shoot that dog. Thats been bothering me for days because I know just because I didn't shoot that dog, I might miss out on the chance of getting a big buck. Any stories?

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

A beagle is unlikely to have any effect on your deer herd. I hunted a farm in GA once that had a pack of wild dogs running around the area. We killed several of them over a period of 2 years. Shot plenty of deer also.

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from KingFisher907 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

youre SUPPOSED to shoot it? is that some kind of law?

Im sorry, people that shoot dogs need serious therapy...a whole team of psychiatrists...

its not the dogs' fault, its the OWNER...

rabid or aggressive dogs are a different story...

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Shooting someones pet is pretty WEAK. I have had dogs unintentially run deer TO me. You should shoot Coyotes to protect your deerhunting spots, but not Pets.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

The dogs I mentioned were totally wild, feral dogs that ran in a pack. These were not pets by any stretch of the imagination. They approached one hunter growling. Scared the heck out of him and he shot 2 before they broke off and ran.

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from NYhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Don't shoot dogs they might be just have chased a rabbit or just ran away from some kids that where walking thrue the woods . We have a couple dogs that go on our land and I had a dog chase a turkey away but it was just having fun. We still kill lots of deer and big bucks every year. Kill coyotes but most dogs can't pull down a deer. It's against the law in NY to shoot dogs.I've heard of wild dogs and do what you want but they don't hurt the deer around our deer woods.

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from 2Poppa wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

All of the bucks that I've seen being chased by deer ran in circles with the dog loosing it's scent.

I seen one huge buck with a couple of does,take off with the dog chasing them.The huge buck circled and eventually followed the chase at a safe distance. I've had more deer "ran" to me by dogs than not.

Let the dogs walk unless they're feral or pack dogs,like Del mentioned.

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

only the rabid or wild ones.beagles will chase deer. mine does occasionaly

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Shooting a man's dog just because he was chasing something, which is a dog's nature, is plain sick bordering on mental illness. Packs of feral dogs is another matter.

Shoot my dog and I'll give you a cure for your terminal illness.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Ok, if any of you have anything bad to say don't say it. We shoot dogs because they are on our land and they have run away from their homes. They are considered nuisances to the people in my club. They messed up a full day of turkey hunting for me by chasing a big gobbler and some hens away from where I was hunting so after that, if I see a dog, I USUALLY put a bullet or two in it. ------To WA Mtnhunter:
if I see any dog regardless of its owner, it's going down END OF STORY. So you can make threats that you will never be able to follow up on all you want I'm going to keep doing what I do. I'm not trying to say that I hate dogs(I do feel for them) or anything but if they are a threat to the animals on my land, you know what happens to them.

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from KingFisher907 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

wow...you have some serious issues son...spooky that youre in the woods with a gun...

seek help now...

also, you might wanna look up the definition of "ethics"

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Oh and how could I know if a dog is wild or rabid if I have a split second to draw my weapon and decide whether or not to shoot. And also, we don't only have beagles in our woods, my club has seen rotwielers, german shepards, and a ton of muts that were big, strong animals. So to whoever said dogs can't bring deer down: you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

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from benjismokin wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I am at a split decision on this. I have seen alot of dogs that have run down deer and others that just like the chase.
Its a matter of what YOU FEEL IS RIGHT at that time, and WHAT YOUR WILLING TO LIVE WITH!

There are alot of ways that deer get run-off property, and if you own the land, then you should be able to do what you see fit.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Thank you benjismokin you are one of the few people in this room that has some common sense.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

And by the way, when I take care of the dogs, I aim for the head so they don't feel any pain.

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from KingFisher907 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

youre a spooky kid...we wonder why the anti's hate us...

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

And I know you all are just expressing your opinion but you don't know what the dogs do up here. And I have 2 dogs myself.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

KingFisher:
I am not trying to start anything between anybody but I've seen a shepard kill a newborn fawn. That is the main reason that I do this. So think and do what you want but I'm going to continue doing this regardless what you say.

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from KingFisher907 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

you can sit here and ding people comments all you want son...

the fact is that shooting dogs is WRONG...

what the hell is wrong with you?????

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from KingFisher907 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

hey guess what..

deer die...

bears kill 'em...
coyotes kill 'em...
cars kill 'em....

and people kill them too...

you gonna start shooting at people who happen to be looking for their dog?

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from libertyfirst wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I've seen quite few dogs on my property over the years and I've never felt that I had to shoot one. Most of the one's I see are either beagles or hounds, hunting dogs, and most of them are simply lost or separated from their owners. If I can catch the dog, I will, and then notify the local hunters I know, pretty soon the owner will show up. We don't have feral dogs in Maine or at least I've never been involved with any. Probably the cold winters and heavy snow would kill off all but the toughest of them. If I had a problem with dogs that ran loose on my property regularly and the owner would not respond, I would dispatch them as humanly as possible.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Well first of all my land is up in the "sticks" everyone are farmers with fences so the dogs we see have been out for a while and have been travelling for a miles. And our land is not by any main roads so cars don't kill 'em in my case and we kill bears when they are in season. We kill coyotes when we see them. And we kill BIG dogs when we see them. When I see small beagles or something along those lines, I let them walk because I know that a coyote will get them sooner or later.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Well guys, I have to go for now so keep sending me your hate messages, they are very entertaining!

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from MLH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

For folks in Michigan .... Some people think it is legal to shoot a dog chasing a deer. Here's an excerpt from an LEO on michigan-sportsman.com:

Legally you can not shoot a dog chasing wild deer. Only a law enforcement officer can shoot a dog chasing deer. A citizen can only shoot a dog that is harming livestock or attacking a person. Many officers will not shoot a dog chasing deer because they will lose a law suit, unless it is a last resort, me included. I enjoy giving the owner a ticket for not taking care of their dog much better.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I was taught to eat what i kill. How do you like your dog, Skeeb? Medium rare? Wouldn't it be ironic if one of your dogs met a similar fate? How would you feel?

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from Jeff Bowers wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

You know, there are feral animal agencies, and there, of course, is the county animal control for advisement or help.

A "shoot first" policy for dogs is immoral, unethical and possibly illegal by any civilized people.

There are no "bad" dogs, only "bad" people. With people dumping pets left and right with the economy, the country is where it's often done. These dogs and cats are confused, abandoned, hungry, and scared.

It's not the wild west. You do not have "only a second" for this.

You sound like one of those sick people who just love to shoot live animals for no reason.

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from 007 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

From the standpoint of a houndsman, suppose that was your dog that was lost and someone shot it? We can't always control every minute of what our dogs are doing, can't always catch them, and despite popular belief, not all of us turn them loose on every piece of land we come to. You did the right thing. Thank you. Having said that, every responsible dog owner should have a collar with his or her name and phone # on it before turning the dog loose.

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from libertyfirst wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Skeeb
I think that in most states you could lose you license as well as a hefty fine for shooting dogs that just happen to be on your property. I'm not trying to pass judgment, I don't know all the facts of your particular story, but I do think that you should seriously think this stance of your over thoroughly.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Skeeb

You are correct. No one can come make good on threats on a blog. I was not making a threat. Just a statement. Last year a game warden threatened my dog (on a leash) because he growled at him. I told that jerk the same thing I told you. Shoot my dog, I shoot you. Simple. He no longer works for the game department either.

Talk's cheap, buckwheat. And, no, I did not give you any or your minus's either.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

And from the looks of your picture, you ain't old enough to buy handgun ammo, much less be carrying one.

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from libertyfirst wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter
Your posting made me remember a story involving a gentleman who has been gone a long time now. Great hunter, terrific shot and a lover of very nice shotguns and bird dogs. When I was about 20-22 I used to take him hunting every Wednesday on his day off. He loved my Brittany as much as I did. On one particular day a guy came running up to us and shouted at the top of his lungs " if you don't shut the bell up on your dog I'll shoot him!" The old man , without a single second of hesitation and with a very calm voice said "do it and you'll never leave these woods." They stared at each other for a couple of long seconds and the shouter turned on his heels and walked quickly away. My friend lit his ever present pipe and we continued on with our hunting. I guess that my point is this: if you mess with the wrong mans dog, be prepared for the consequences.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

libertyfirst

Great story and some sage wisdom to pass on to save someone a lot of grief or humiliation down the road. If one little dog is the alibi for hunting inexperience and lack of success, there are a lot of bumps down the Hardknock Highway, I'm afraid.

b/r
WMH

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter I'm not old enough but my dad told me to carry his because we are in thick rattler territory. And I told you I am not trying to start anything between me and anyone. I was just simply asking for your opinions in which so many of you so "thoughfully" gave. I know I was starting to get annoying how much I was talking so now I am going to appologize to all of you.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I'm actually taking in what all of you said...I honestly don't even want to do it anymore. So everyone:believe what you want and say what you want but I was thinking, what if my dog got shot...Sorry again for wasting your time.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Skeeb

I appreciate your willingness to evaluate other's comments. It takes some measure of character to admit to yourself that you may have been hasty or mistaken.

Now you go get that big buck this fall!

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Thanks for not hating me! You better get the big one too.

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from KingFisher907 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

nobody hates you skeeb...

I apologize for saying you were spooky...its just an issue thats near and dear to me, my dogs are my family...

I think you knew the right answer in your heart all along...

it speaks volumes about you that you took your lumps and apologized...

I hope you get that big buck too!

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Yeah I guess I did know...And I know how you feel about your dogs, if a game warden said anything like that to me I would have set him straight.

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from Hunter Savage wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

i promise you this if you shot my beagle when i was out training it or running rabbits early in the season when yes deer season is open . you would never make it home . you would spend eternity buried in a shallow grave .

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

There is nothing wrong with shooting dogs that run deer. If I don't know who the dog belongs to than I cap them. If you don't know what a pack of dogs can do to deer population in a an area than you have no room to talk. I have seen it personally. Del in Ks is absolutely right. I live in GA, packs of wild dogs are about the most dangerous thing to run into in the woods because the have very little fear of humans and will kill anything. Dogs are not supposed to upset or disturb wild life. If a dog gets shot it's the owners fault for not having control over their dog. Yall go ahead and vote me down now!

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Skeeb, good for you for seeing the error of your ways. We all do things others won't agree with, and you didn't waste anyones time discussing it. I think we all know the difference between wild pack dogs(feral) and pets. I would shoot the feral dogs too but i would not shooot a dog that is someones pet w/out trying to rectify the problem first with the owner. Last archery season, i Stayed an extra day (tuesday of a long weekend) to get a shot at a buck i had seen the day before. I was about to get down after seeing no deer all morning when i saw three deer(Doe) run by, being chased by a farm dog. I literally had to raise my bow back up from the ground, now that i wanted to stay another hour or so. Not two minutes later the three does ran back by my stand, this time being chased by an 8pt buck. I bleeted to stop him and the arrow found it's mark. Not 5 minutes after the dog ran by chasing deer i was climbing down to get my buck.

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

are u on meds for your illness? shoot my dog because she is doing what she love(chasing things) ill shoot you. ask the kid on my street who hit my dog....

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

My dog is "MY" responsabilty. If my dog get its paws on your land because I didn't control him and you want to shoot it. "Go for it." I have shot strays in the past. And some of you really need to put yourselves in a farmers shoes too. We have wild dogs attacking cattle and getting in to peoples livestock. Strays go wild and form packs and even jion Cotoye packs. How many of you shoot Cotoye's just because their in your sites? Hmmm. Cotoye's are just wild dog's, you know that right. I think that bleeding libiral hearts have really got to some of you. Although I would try to find the owner of a dog with a collar I would not condem Skeeb until I really understand his situation. Good Question Skeeb!

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

hunterkid94:
If you werent an illiterate product of inbreeding, you would have had the sense to read the above comments that I made...

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

IM NOT A PRODUCT OF INBREEDING YOU SICK, DOG KILLING FREAK. THOSE DOGS WERE PROBABLY LOST AND CHASING DEER BECAUSE THEY WERE STARVING. SO IF YOUR LOST AND TRYING TO KILL DEER DOES THE LAND OWNER GET TO KILL YOU?

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from LouDaPainter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Glad to hear you didn't shoot someones pet. Wild, agressive dogs are a different story. If getting a deer is worth killing someones pet then I would quit hunting!

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

OH AND WANNA KNOW WHY I DIDNT CONSIDER YOUR OTHER COMMENTS? ITS BECAUSE IM ALMOST SURE YOU DONT SEE THE ERRORS IN YOUR WAYS. YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO KEEP KILLING A LOST PUPPY AND SAY YOU WONT JUST TO GET US OFF YOUR BACK.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Wow did you think of those two comments all by yourself! And no it's because you didn't think of scrolling up because you thought that you saw all of the comments already so you didn't feel like scrolling up to check. Do you know what your last comment reminded me of? Billy Madison! The best movie. But Adam Sandler hasn't been as funny as he used to be...it's a shame. But back to our argument (if you want to call it that) believe what you want, I can't control your thoughts...

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

hunterkid94,
If the dog was lost than it would not chase a deer for food if it was starving. It would go after something smaller and easier ( because remember it's starving and had not energy to chase a 150 lbs deer for 2 miles before it slows down). It would go after something easier to kill. Another thing, there is a big difference between a dog chasing deer and a lost puppy, don't insult mine or anybody elses common sense by saying that. You are only a kid, have you ever seen a pack of wild dogs tear something apart? It's not pretty at all. Oh, and that little fling you said about shooting people, yeah you would go to jail for MURDER. So think before you talk.

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Another thing in most states it is illegal to let your dog harass wild life so there is something else you can go chew on for a while. People think more about animal rights than they do about people. AN animal is an animal it does not have a soul and despite what your parents told you, they do not go to heaven when the die.

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from libertyfirst wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

AndyH
I have never heard of a dog joining a coyote pack. I don't think that there would be an acceptance one way or the other. Do you have personal experience of this activity?

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Libertyfirst,
I have seen wild dogs attack a calf involved with coyote's. Now what I don't know is if they are of the same pack or just competing for the calf. So, you are probubly correct. I retract my statment about coyotes and dogs joining packs, I do not have enough facts to prove it. But, I stand on my other statements. +1 Liberyfirst thanks for the headsup.

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

not gonna lie to ya skeeb, adam sandler is the best actor ever. forget the fight. i exploded for no reason(i get like that) and get all worked up. i guess you do what you got to do for your land...

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from huntcamp wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I might be wrong, but a coyote pack would probably see the dog as a threat not friend. Threats tend to be killed be packs. Humans are animals too. We just have this thing in our heads that kind of separates us. Yes, we are backwards, I have a coworker that I almost beat the crapout of when he said, that hurting an animal is worse than beating a woman. I was close. We were somehow talking about Vick. Try having wolves around, makes a stray dog not much of a problem. Deer will just run circles around a single dog. If it is truly wild and probably look a little weary and that is a different story. Just imagine a bear hunting dog, they are trained to follow as long as they can, usually here anyway they are on National forest grounds with plenty of room, they do not know boundaries and can be worth considerable money let alone the pet factor. Owners will be looking for them and they can not always find them right away. Yes dogs attacking livestock or people should be shot, but not little Annie's lab, who is just being a dog. Scarring a dog works just as well. I put a bullet 20 feet away from one and it never came back. Shot a deer 20 minutes later. The dog was my neighbors. We talked later and problem was resolved without the death of their dog. When scared animals tend to go back to where they are most comfortable and that is home.

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from matouse3 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I remember a case a few years back here in MI where a hunter shot two (I think beagles) that were chasing a deer in front of him on his own land. The beagles were being run by a coon hunter that was not far behind. The case went to court and the shooter was ordered to pay 15,000 for each dog. I'm not saying whats right or wrong, just how it shook out in court.

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

What puzzles me, I don't understand where some hunters think, just because their dogs are on the chase they have the right to be on my land. Isn't that trespassing?

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from NYhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I'M GLAD EVERY ONES "COOLING OFF"!!

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I agree with that AndyH. I've turned people around and off my land just because their hound was on a scent, they thought they could just hunt my land without even bothering to ask. And what makes it worse is my land borders the state gamelands so we have people coming through all the time.

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from NYhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I don't think killing dogs is good but people where getting mad, skeeb mebe you shouldent have posted that thing! It's up to you.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

NYhunter,
This needed to be posted! If everyone didn't get rid of the anger inside them, who knows what could have happened! haha

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I think this is a good subject. This way, we can all try to understand different view points. This little talk could have saved hundreds of dog's lifes. Thats good for PETA, LOL. Its all good, no hate.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Skeeb,
If anything this is a very thought provoking subject.

I would not have a problem with a sheep farmer shooting a dog to protect his herd. Or with a hunter who was told by the farmer to shoot dogs chasing sheep.

With the cost of deer leases and food plots hunters have turned into a new breed of farmer. They are protecting their herd as the sheep herder.

I know of no place where a dog is legally allowed to roam free and I know of no resonable dog owner that would allow their dog to roam on anothers hunting lease.

Yes, one of my dogs was shot for chasing sheep. He survived and I apologized to the sheep herder for allowing it to happen. I considered that my fault. It was my dog and my responsibilty.

I do not consider it very difficult to tell the difference between a rouge wild dog and one just out for a run. Shoot the wild ones. Call the dog warden for the rest.

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

We don't have dog warden's where I live.

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from meagel wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Once I came across a beagle in the deep woods, 200 year ole trees and as soon as a deer was killed, a beagle came up to us. I wanted to keep it since i was lil and we wouldnt. dissapointment. Anyway it jumped on the deer we were dragging and started to lick some blood. We gave it some candy and waved it off. I regret not keeping it. Looked like a trained squirrel dog with a orange colla.r

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

If they have collars, I'll try to find the owner, If they have no collar they're strays, and if they are attacking my animals they're dead.

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from jbird wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I understand your problem. I had a huge chow-lookin dog screw up my turkey hunting 4 times this spring. I almost shot him, but couldn't. I could just tell he was someone's pet. Haven't seen him since, so I'm glad he's gone, and not because I killed him. I have shot a dog while deer hunting, he was following me all over this private land. Every time I'd get set-up in a good spot, here he'd come. He'd stop about 50-60 yds. away and just bark and bark. After 3 hours of this I shot him. It made me feel sick. I have 4 dogs myself.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Ok, the only way I'm not going to shoot a dog is if I see a collar. Because a dog that doesn't have a collar on is considered stray in my eyes. And dogs ARE animals and when necesesary, they resort back to their natural instincts, same as coyotes pretty much so that could present itself as a danger to me, other people, and my herd. I honestly don't condone killing dogs, but they are a possible danger, And I am glad that I didn't kill that beagle the othre day, it would've made me sick to tell the truth.

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from Jeff Bowers wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

A couple of interesting views...

"But they're on my land!".

Of course, dogs can read "keep out" signs. Being human, they understand borders, and regulations.

"They chase deer!"

They're DOGS!!! Fools. Usually, a smaller dog chasing a larger animal is playing. Dogs are attracted to movement, like a T-Rex. Our dogs have ignored a rabbit sitting 10 feet away, until it moves. Many dogs have been bred with a high "prey instinct". Our "vermin hunter" can never be allowed fully loose. Once he gets a target lock, he will not see or hear any distraction.

"It interrupted my hunt!"

That's a good one. Since everybody here is relatively literate, and owners of computers, I am going to assume that nobody's family had a member that died of starvation that day.

So that narrows down REAL reasons to: "It irritated me so I can shoot it.", or "It's on my land so I can kill something."

I thought true sportsmen answered to a higher calling. I do see that many people I respect as worthy associates are of a similar mind.

Remember, there's so many dogs (and cats) killed in the millions each year because of the stupidity of humans already.

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from buckeye wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

We have some wild dogs where I turkey hunt and they came in one time and tore the heck out of my decoys but we never shoot them. I do know one guy that got tree buy them while he was bow hunting and they ate up the doe he had just shot.

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from Sharkfin wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I have ben in this situation before. We lease our land and the land owners are paper compnies and one guy that live in another state. I have to drive an hour and 20 minutes to get to my lease. I hunt just about every Saturday and Sunday and I take a week off in November. I've shot two dogs on this property. One was a rough mangy mut that looked like it had been caught in barbed wire or a fight. It was chasing a nice buck and stopped when I whistled. I got a good look at it through my scope and decided to take the shot. The other was a big German Shepherd looking dog that was eating on my deer when I got back with the 4-wheeler. He was not concerned that I was there and growled and snapped at me when I tried to run him off. The deer was already wasted because I wasn't going to process it after that dog had been eating on it. I put a few 9mm rounds in that one. I've probably seen dogs chasing deer 50 times over the past 12 years hunting this property. I get mad, and part of me wants to shoot everyone. All but these two times I just sit there angry. The county that I hunt in has an animal control law that states your animal must remain in your control at all times. That obviously doesn't happen. Most of the time the dogs I see chasing deer are laying in the yards of some of the houses near where I hunt when I leave. I don't like that their dogs are chasing deer that I pay to hunt but I remind myself of the potential consequences of shooting those dogs. I had to remind a hunting buddy of this. If we start shooting every dog we see the people that live around there will start seeking vengence. I've heard of people's tires being cut, windshields broken, etc. I just don't think it is worth it either ethically or due to the potential consequences. I did have one dog in my cross hairs one time. He didn't have a collar but he was clean and healthy. I didn't shoot it. The next weekend I saw that dog again. He was playing with a young boy in one of the yards near the property. I just can't bring myself to do that to that kid just because his parents lack the responsibility to properly manage that dog. I do understand what would make someone want to kill every dog they see on their property. I spend a lot of money on the lease and in the cost of gas and it is a big pain to have the hunt ruined by a dog or two.

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

If I'm hunting I will not shoot a dog. I think some misunderstand if they attack my animals they're dead statement that I made.

Okay here is my deal I will shoot a dog that attacks my animals my livestock, cattle, chickens, ect... Now, if Im hunting I will not shoot a dog unless I have very good reason, not because I just feel like shooting it. I think you would understand that. If your dogs come on my land and attack my chickens, horses, cattle, or my own dogs, Im not gonna take the time to find you. I'm going to take care of it. Dogs are for the most part smart. "Dogs can't read signs but their owners can in most cases." What if I had a rottwieler and he got loose and decided to play with your little begals. Now if he wanted to kill them he would just do it. He is very capable of it. Would you just stand by and say he's a dog, he don't know any better than to come on my land and play with my dogs. I think there should be a little more understanding, dogs are not humans and do not have a since of whats right unless we teach them. Just because its your dog doesn't mean it has the right to go anyware it pleases and chase anything it wants.

A few years back, we had two momma dogs come up in our yard. They were not ours, obviosly they were strays. They both hatched and gave us over 20 dogs, guess the owner didn't want to be faced with that. So, I called the pound. They didn't care that they were strays and told me to pay $20 a peace of the momma's and $5 a pup. We had a nother female stray come in our yard the next day.

Deer are not my livestock but, I know some have game clubs and have large 10' chainlink fence with razor wire to keep animals out and in. For some reason some hunters feel they have the right to hunt anyware they want and cut, cross, and open gates on private land. Those guys are why so many land owners will not allow hunting anymore.

Some people feel their dog is worth killing a human over? I don't understand that. You might want to do a back ground check before you start shooting people over a dog. Some guys have wives that would show no mercy and are crack shots with a 223, better ask her permission before you shoot her husband. LOL

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from hjohn429 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

We always shoot wild dogs, but in that case there is no way I would have been able to will myself to shoot that dog. We just shoot the wild dogs because we do not want them chasing deer, killing our livestock, or fighting our dogs. That dog should be caught and given a proper owner to keep it away from danger and disease.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Skeeb, ol' buddy, you sure know how to poke a stick in a hornet's nest don't you!

Seriously, my advice to anyone with dog problems is to call the county animal control folks and the state game warden, or whatever they are called in your area. They can give you some insight on what is going on in your area.

Shooting a lone stray or a loose dog is downright unethical and maybe illegal in may places. Probably some kid's dog. I'm not talking about animals harrassing livestock or packs of wild dogs. If a dog or two is messing up your hunting, you probably have pi$$ poor hunting anyway.

Until I talked to my local game cop, I did not know that near our place is a large pack of feral dogs that are considered a problem by the state and they are trying to get rid of them. Now, I keep myself and my dog away from that area.

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

WA Mthunter

I thinks thats good advice,

I know of laws here in Arkansas that could send a person to jail for 6 years for animal cruelty.
They eat dog in some countrys, cats too. I think that society has come to think because its a domestic animal or pet, it is equal to a human. I have a hard time understanding where people think a dog or cat is worth as much or more than a human life. PETA says killing chickens is unethical. And that Colonel Sanders is a mass murderer.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

WAmtnhunter,
I should have worded my last comment better, I'm not going to shoot a dog unless it is presenting a danger to me, another person, or my animals.

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from Big C wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I am not a big fan of dogs running around where I hunt either, but I don't know about shooting them on sight.

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from Kentucky Hunter wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

i killed one dog 14 years ago and to this day it eats at me . because it was rong and ilearned that the hard way . humain traps are cheep if dogs are a problem and with the amount of pounds an shelters today no need to kill them.

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from Outdoorchic wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

I will tell you all something, coming from a woman who hunts deer with her dogs. Dont shoot any dogs unless they are threatening your life. Dogs have no effect on deer herds. We run dogs on club land and if we sit right there the deer always turns and comes back with dogs right on their tail. A still hunter told my uncle when he walked in some land to get his dog, he didn't mind him coming in there because he had killed more bucks in front of our dogs than he had ever killed otherwise. He was sitting on a bucket onthe ground!!! My uncle told me this story one time. He said that there was this still hunter who lived right here in our community who was hunting one day. A big nice walker hound came walking by his stand trailing. The man shot the dog, drug it in the woods and then came out bragging what he had done. Later on in life this same man was still hunting and what may happen but for some reason he fell out of his stand. He was unable to get up and he lay there on the ground and wollered. When they found him he had died of his injuries. Injuries that could have been fixed had someone gotten to him in time. My uncle said that the pain that that man felt as he lay dying there was all the dogs he killed maliciously eating at him. So no dont kill dogs. I have raised eight nice black and tan coon hounds since they were two weeks old because a man who doesn't like dogs walking through his land killed their mother. Who kills dogs just because of a deer? You aren't starving that bad. That dog could help run you a deer. Shoot my yard dogsjust ole mutts run the fire out of a deer. I hope also that before you shoot anything be aware of your target. Dont go shooting what you thought was a deer and it be a dog. Done lost a dog like that too. Hunting is a sport, so be one.

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from rudyglove27 wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

"I should have worded my last comment better, I'm not going to shoot a dog unless it is presenting a danger to me, another person, or my animals."
Good choice of your words........
I enjoy reading the post on everyone here!!!!!!!!

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 39 weeks ago

I thought this youtube video was on subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJLO_JI9Pns

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from bgreen902 wrote 4 years 38 weeks ago

skeeb is a good personal friend of mine...he does have psychotic outrages at times..hahah just kidding but he probably wouldnt shoot your dogs unless they were knawing at his ..so leave the damn kid alone he made a mistake by posting this unethical, sick, mental, ignorant question.

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from RD wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

Sounds like there are a lot of PETA people answering this question. Sorry for the dogs that get "dumped" onto others' property, it is a slow way to die by starvation or a bullet. But it is not the fault or responsiblity of the landowner to care for these unwanted animals. The humane thing to do is to shoot them. Good luck on trying to find the owner or someone that will take these strays in. On our land we have seen these strays chase deer, turkey, rabbits and anything else than can run. Everyone loses when these animals are allowed to roam.

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from tgrif wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

we have a real problem with wild dogs where I hunt and I shoot all I see without a collar.

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from bloueallen wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

Grue up hunting from age 9 in Arkansas. (now 55)I was taught and live by the fact if I aint going to eat it I should not kill it. There is exceptions to that rule such as Wounded, sick or dieing animals. Ferral dogs,cats, and hogs. I have cought dogs on my lease land that were not ferral and held them for the owner to come get. As for bothering your hunting the guy that owns the land I hunt has dogs that run deer from time to time but I always fill my tag in spite of it.

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from Kempy wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

Punish the dog's owner, not the dog. It doesn't know about leash laws. If a dog is on your property, it doesn't know any better.
Bring the dog to the Humane Society. Look in your newspaper's classified ads for a lost dog.
I had a puppy that got off of it's chain and a neighbor down the street shot it through the guts. He said it was bothering his chickens. I hated that dog anyway, but he could have had the dog picked up. I could have paid a fine, since the owners are responsible for the dog.
If a dog is badly injured by a car, you might want to shoot it. I shot my own dog when she was suffering from cancer. Sometimes the only thing you can do to help them is to end their suffering.
The only thing that separates us from monkeys are the rules we live by, so punish the owner and not the dog.

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from Cogs wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

You shoot my dog and I'm gonna shoot you, pal!

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from bgreen902 wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

Cogs,
you don't have the jewels to shoot Skeeb.

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from BarkinSpider wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

I would shoot a feral dog on my property but not a loose domestic... unless of course that dog posed a threat. There is a huge difference. A single stray domestic dog runs more risk of starving or getting eaten by coyotes than running many deer off. A pack of feral dogs however is a threat to every living thing in the area, including you, your pets, livestock, and your kids. I've had words with people who have let their dogs run loose on my property, but that's their fault, not the dogs, and typically, it isn't intentional. If you can return the dog to the owner, you'll have the chance to earn a friend rather than make an enemy by shooting it. If you don't want to catch the dog yourself, with or without a collar, have the authorities come and get it (cops sometimes do it if there is no animal controll.) Even if they end up shooting it, it'll save you a lot of headaches in the future. For those of you who like to arm themselves with facts rather than opinion there is a lot of info out there. Here's an interesting link: http://www.tau.ac.il/lifesci/zoology/members/yom-tov/inbal/dogs.pdf

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from Xplorer wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

I hunt in Virginia where they use dogs to run deer...not my cup of tea, but... There was a dog that howling at me while I was in my tree stand. Had to get down to chase it off, which I'm sure ruined a 1/2 of hunting. When I got back & told my story to the landowner, he asked why I didn't shoot it. I explained that it had a collar, was a pet, etc. He was mad cause I told him I couldn't shoot a dog. He made it seem like I had done something wrong.

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from m444ss wrote 4 years 36 weeks ago

I shot a feral dog (was in a pack of three) at my grandmother's place one night. The pack was threatening her dog and chickens, and I expected they'd come back if I just chased them off; also could have been rabid. I shot one and killed it; the others ran off. No regrets on that one; however, don't think I'd have shot the beagle pup. Think I would have taken it home and either posted flyers or ads for a found dog.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 4 years 25 weeks ago

i see a lot cats only ever seen one dog and it was small. i think i might start shooting cats as they kill a lot of small game.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 4 years 25 weeks ago

i see a lot cats only ever seen one dog and it was small. i think i might start shooting cats as they kill a lot of small game.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 4 years 25 weeks ago

i see a lot cats only ever seen one dog and it was small. i think i might start shooting cats as they kill a lot of small game.

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from wyattblevins wrote 4 years 20 weeks ago

i shot three dogs on my ranch today. happened to get into my cattle.

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from bberg7794 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Don't shoot the dog. It's wrong. We teach people in trapping class to make sets to not catch dogs either, kind of assuming that eventually a dog will wander by just about anyplace.

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from Btru5507 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

I would never ever Shoot a dog that was on my land

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from Btru5507 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

Why would anybody shoot a dog

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from Sarge01 wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

In WV it is against the law for a person to let their dog run a deer. A landowner can only shoot a dog if it is in the same field killing or worrying his livestock. They cannot legally shoot a dog for running deer. The Conservation Officer now Natural Resources Police have the authority to dispose of a dog running deer after an attempt to catch the dog. I have had to dispose of some dogs over the years but they have been dogs that have gone wild . When I saw a dog that was running deer that had a collar on it I made every effort possible to catch the dog or locate the owner. If the owner got lippy about the situation then they received a citation for allowing their dog to run deer and I made an effort to dispose of the dog. Most dog owners I found to be reasonable people and many were friends of mine, but I also have dealt with some that were totally unreasonable. Beagles I found were notorious for running deer. I have owned several beagles myself and besides running deer they are hard headed. A friend of mine put his beagle in a 55 gallon metal barrel with a fresh deer hide and put the lid on the barrel and rolled it off a steep hill and he said the beagle didn't want anything to do with a deer when he got out of the barrel.

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from doehunter18 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

im disgusted with people who shoot dogs that run on there property.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 23 weeks ago

In the winter when the snow was on the ground I used to get a lot of calls about packs of dogs running deer. These were dogs that had gone wild and lived off of the land. They were responsible for killing alot of deer. The dog hunters sometimes even helped us to hunt and kill these dogs because they would kill their hunting dogs when they were hunting them in the woods. My fellow officer and I have even had these packs of dogs stalk us and try to jump us. It depends on what kind of dogs you are talking about.

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from dfleer7 wrote 1 year 5 weeks ago

No stories, but I am glad you didn't shoot that dog.

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from KingFisher907 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

hey guess what..

deer die...

bears kill 'em...
coyotes kill 'em...
cars kill 'em....

and people kill them too...

you gonna start shooting at people who happen to be looking for their dog?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Shooting a man's dog just because he was chasing something, which is a dog's nature, is plain sick bordering on mental illness. Packs of feral dogs is another matter.

Shoot my dog and I'll give you a cure for your terminal illness.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Skeeb

You are correct. No one can come make good on threats on a blog. I was not making a threat. Just a statement. Last year a game warden threatened my dog (on a leash) because he growled at him. I told that jerk the same thing I told you. Shoot my dog, I shoot you. Simple. He no longer works for the game department either.

Talk's cheap, buckwheat. And, no, I did not give you any or your minus's either.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

And from the looks of your picture, you ain't old enough to buy handgun ammo, much less be carrying one.

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from libertyfirst wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter
Your posting made me remember a story involving a gentleman who has been gone a long time now. Great hunter, terrific shot and a lover of very nice shotguns and bird dogs. When I was about 20-22 I used to take him hunting every Wednesday on his day off. He loved my Brittany as much as I did. On one particular day a guy came running up to us and shouted at the top of his lungs " if you don't shut the bell up on your dog I'll shoot him!" The old man , without a single second of hesitation and with a very calm voice said "do it and you'll never leave these woods." They stared at each other for a couple of long seconds and the shouter turned on his heels and walked quickly away. My friend lit his ever present pipe and we continued on with our hunting. I guess that my point is this: if you mess with the wrong mans dog, be prepared for the consequences.

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from KingFisher907 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

youre SUPPOSED to shoot it? is that some kind of law?

Im sorry, people that shoot dogs need serious therapy...a whole team of psychiatrists...

its not the dogs' fault, its the OWNER...

rabid or aggressive dogs are a different story...

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from KingFisher907 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

wow...you have some serious issues son...spooky that youre in the woods with a gun...

seek help now...

also, you might wanna look up the definition of "ethics"

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from KingFisher907 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

you can sit here and ding people comments all you want son...

the fact is that shooting dogs is WRONG...

what the hell is wrong with you?????

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

A beagle is unlikely to have any effect on your deer herd. I hunted a farm in GA once that had a pack of wild dogs running around the area. We killed several of them over a period of 2 years. Shot plenty of deer also.

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from 2Poppa wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

All of the bucks that I've seen being chased by deer ran in circles with the dog loosing it's scent.

I seen one huge buck with a couple of does,take off with the dog chasing them.The huge buck circled and eventually followed the chase at a safe distance. I've had more deer "ran" to me by dogs than not.

Let the dogs walk unless they're feral or pack dogs,like Del mentioned.

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from KingFisher907 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

youre a spooky kid...we wonder why the anti's hate us...

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from Jeff Bowers wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

You know, there are feral animal agencies, and there, of course, is the county animal control for advisement or help.

A "shoot first" policy for dogs is immoral, unethical and possibly illegal by any civilized people.

There are no "bad" dogs, only "bad" people. With people dumping pets left and right with the economy, the country is where it's often done. These dogs and cats are confused, abandoned, hungry, and scared.

It's not the wild west. You do not have "only a second" for this.

You sound like one of those sick people who just love to shoot live animals for no reason.

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from 007 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

From the standpoint of a houndsman, suppose that was your dog that was lost and someone shot it? We can't always control every minute of what our dogs are doing, can't always catch them, and despite popular belief, not all of us turn them loose on every piece of land we come to. You did the right thing. Thank you. Having said that, every responsible dog owner should have a collar with his or her name and phone # on it before turning the dog loose.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Shooting someones pet is pretty WEAK. I have had dogs unintentially run deer TO me. You should shoot Coyotes to protect your deerhunting spots, but not Pets.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

The dogs I mentioned were totally wild, feral dogs that ran in a pack. These were not pets by any stretch of the imagination. They approached one hunter growling. Scared the heck out of him and he shot 2 before they broke off and ran.

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from NYhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Don't shoot dogs they might be just have chased a rabbit or just ran away from some kids that where walking thrue the woods . We have a couple dogs that go on our land and I had a dog chase a turkey away but it was just having fun. We still kill lots of deer and big bucks every year. Kill coyotes but most dogs can't pull down a deer. It's against the law in NY to shoot dogs.I've heard of wild dogs and do what you want but they don't hurt the deer around our deer woods.

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from libertyfirst wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Skeeb
I think that in most states you could lose you license as well as a hefty fine for shooting dogs that just happen to be on your property. I'm not trying to pass judgment, I don't know all the facts of your particular story, but I do think that you should seriously think this stance of your over thoroughly.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

libertyfirst

Great story and some sage wisdom to pass on to save someone a lot of grief or humiliation down the road. If one little dog is the alibi for hunting inexperience and lack of success, there are a lot of bumps down the Hardknock Highway, I'm afraid.

b/r
WMH

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Skeeb

I appreciate your willingness to evaluate other's comments. It takes some measure of character to admit to yourself that you may have been hasty or mistaken.

Now you go get that big buck this fall!

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Skeeb,
If anything this is a very thought provoking subject.

I would not have a problem with a sheep farmer shooting a dog to protect his herd. Or with a hunter who was told by the farmer to shoot dogs chasing sheep.

With the cost of deer leases and food plots hunters have turned into a new breed of farmer. They are protecting their herd as the sheep herder.

I know of no place where a dog is legally allowed to roam free and I know of no resonable dog owner that would allow their dog to roam on anothers hunting lease.

Yes, one of my dogs was shot for chasing sheep. He survived and I apologized to the sheep herder for allowing it to happen. I considered that my fault. It was my dog and my responsibilty.

I do not consider it very difficult to tell the difference between a rouge wild dog and one just out for a run. Shoot the wild ones. Call the dog warden for the rest.

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from libertyfirst wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I've seen quite few dogs on my property over the years and I've never felt that I had to shoot one. Most of the one's I see are either beagles or hounds, hunting dogs, and most of them are simply lost or separated from their owners. If I can catch the dog, I will, and then notify the local hunters I know, pretty soon the owner will show up. We don't have feral dogs in Maine or at least I've never been involved with any. Probably the cold winters and heavy snow would kill off all but the toughest of them. If I had a problem with dogs that ran loose on my property regularly and the owner would not respond, I would dispatch them as humanly as possible.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

For folks in Michigan .... Some people think it is legal to shoot a dog chasing a deer. Here's an excerpt from an LEO on michigan-sportsman.com:

Legally you can not shoot a dog chasing wild deer. Only a law enforcement officer can shoot a dog chasing deer. A citizen can only shoot a dog that is harming livestock or attacking a person. Many officers will not shoot a dog chasing deer because they will lose a law suit, unless it is a last resort, me included. I enjoy giving the owner a ticket for not taking care of their dog much better.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I was taught to eat what i kill. How do you like your dog, Skeeb? Medium rare? Wouldn't it be ironic if one of your dogs met a similar fate? How would you feel?

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter I'm not old enough but my dad told me to carry his because we are in thick rattler territory. And I told you I am not trying to start anything between me and anyone. I was just simply asking for your opinions in which so many of you so "thoughfully" gave. I know I was starting to get annoying how much I was talking so now I am going to appologize to all of you.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I'm actually taking in what all of you said...I honestly don't even want to do it anymore. So everyone:believe what you want and say what you want but I was thinking, what if my dog got shot...Sorry again for wasting your time.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Thanks for not hating me! You better get the big one too.

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from huntcamp wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I might be wrong, but a coyote pack would probably see the dog as a threat not friend. Threats tend to be killed be packs. Humans are animals too. We just have this thing in our heads that kind of separates us. Yes, we are backwards, I have a coworker that I almost beat the crapout of when he said, that hurting an animal is worse than beating a woman. I was close. We were somehow talking about Vick. Try having wolves around, makes a stray dog not much of a problem. Deer will just run circles around a single dog. If it is truly wild and probably look a little weary and that is a different story. Just imagine a bear hunting dog, they are trained to follow as long as they can, usually here anyway they are on National forest grounds with plenty of room, they do not know boundaries and can be worth considerable money let alone the pet factor. Owners will be looking for them and they can not always find them right away. Yes dogs attacking livestock or people should be shot, but not little Annie's lab, who is just being a dog. Scarring a dog works just as well. I put a bullet 20 feet away from one and it never came back. Shot a deer 20 minutes later. The dog was my neighbors. We talked later and problem was resolved without the death of their dog. When scared animals tend to go back to where they are most comfortable and that is home.

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from matouse3 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I remember a case a few years back here in MI where a hunter shot two (I think beagles) that were chasing a deer in front of him on his own land. The beagles were being run by a coon hunter that was not far behind. The case went to court and the shooter was ordered to pay 15,000 for each dog. I'm not saying whats right or wrong, just how it shook out in court.

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from bloueallen wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

Grue up hunting from age 9 in Arkansas. (now 55)I was taught and live by the fact if I aint going to eat it I should not kill it. There is exceptions to that rule such as Wounded, sick or dieing animals. Ferral dogs,cats, and hogs. I have cought dogs on my lease land that were not ferral and held them for the owner to come get. As for bothering your hunting the guy that owns the land I hunt has dogs that run deer from time to time but I always fill my tag in spite of it.

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from benjismokin wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I am at a split decision on this. I have seen alot of dogs that have run down deer and others that just like the chase.
Its a matter of what YOU FEEL IS RIGHT at that time, and WHAT YOUR WILLING TO LIVE WITH!

There are alot of ways that deer get run-off property, and if you own the land, then you should be able to do what you see fit.

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from KingFisher907 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

nobody hates you skeeb...

I apologize for saying you were spooky...its just an issue thats near and dear to me, my dogs are my family...

I think you knew the right answer in your heart all along...

it speaks volumes about you that you took your lumps and apologized...

I hope you get that big buck too!

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from Hunter Savage wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

i promise you this if you shot my beagle when i was out training it or running rabbits early in the season when yes deer season is open . you would never make it home . you would spend eternity buried in a shallow grave .

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

hunterkid94,
If the dog was lost than it would not chase a deer for food if it was starving. It would go after something smaller and easier ( because remember it's starving and had not energy to chase a 150 lbs deer for 2 miles before it slows down). It would go after something easier to kill. Another thing, there is a big difference between a dog chasing deer and a lost puppy, don't insult mine or anybody elses common sense by saying that. You are only a kid, have you ever seen a pack of wild dogs tear something apart? It's not pretty at all. Oh, and that little fling you said about shooting people, yeah you would go to jail for MURDER. So think before you talk.

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Another thing in most states it is illegal to let your dog harass wild life so there is something else you can go chew on for a while. People think more about animal rights than they do about people. AN animal is an animal it does not have a soul and despite what your parents told you, they do not go to heaven when the die.

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from libertyfirst wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

AndyH
I have never heard of a dog joining a coyote pack. I don't think that there would be an acceptance one way or the other. Do you have personal experience of this activity?

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Libertyfirst,
I have seen wild dogs attack a calf involved with coyote's. Now what I don't know is if they are of the same pack or just competing for the calf. So, you are probubly correct. I retract my statment about coyotes and dogs joining packs, I do not have enough facts to prove it. But, I stand on my other statements. +1 Liberyfirst thanks for the headsup.

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

not gonna lie to ya skeeb, adam sandler is the best actor ever. forget the fight. i exploded for no reason(i get like that) and get all worked up. i guess you do what you got to do for your land...

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from meagel wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Once I came across a beagle in the deep woods, 200 year ole trees and as soon as a deer was killed, a beagle came up to us. I wanted to keep it since i was lil and we wouldnt. dissapointment. Anyway it jumped on the deer we were dragging and started to lick some blood. We gave it some candy and waved it off. I regret not keeping it. Looked like a trained squirrel dog with a orange colla.r

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from Jeff Bowers wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

A couple of interesting views...

"But they're on my land!".

Of course, dogs can read "keep out" signs. Being human, they understand borders, and regulations.

"They chase deer!"

They're DOGS!!! Fools. Usually, a smaller dog chasing a larger animal is playing. Dogs are attracted to movement, like a T-Rex. Our dogs have ignored a rabbit sitting 10 feet away, until it moves. Many dogs have been bred with a high "prey instinct". Our "vermin hunter" can never be allowed fully loose. Once he gets a target lock, he will not see or hear any distraction.

"It interrupted my hunt!"

That's a good one. Since everybody here is relatively literate, and owners of computers, I am going to assume that nobody's family had a member that died of starvation that day.

So that narrows down REAL reasons to: "It irritated me so I can shoot it.", or "It's on my land so I can kill something."

I thought true sportsmen answered to a higher calling. I do see that many people I respect as worthy associates are of a similar mind.

Remember, there's so many dogs (and cats) killed in the millions each year because of the stupidity of humans already.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Skeeb, ol' buddy, you sure know how to poke a stick in a hornet's nest don't you!

Seriously, my advice to anyone with dog problems is to call the county animal control folks and the state game warden, or whatever they are called in your area. They can give you some insight on what is going on in your area.

Shooting a lone stray or a loose dog is downright unethical and maybe illegal in may places. Probably some kid's dog. I'm not talking about animals harrassing livestock or packs of wild dogs. If a dog or two is messing up your hunting, you probably have pi$$ poor hunting anyway.

Until I talked to my local game cop, I did not know that near our place is a large pack of feral dogs that are considered a problem by the state and they are trying to get rid of them. Now, I keep myself and my dog away from that area.

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from Kempy wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

Punish the dog's owner, not the dog. It doesn't know about leash laws. If a dog is on your property, it doesn't know any better.
Bring the dog to the Humane Society. Look in your newspaper's classified ads for a lost dog.
I had a puppy that got off of it's chain and a neighbor down the street shot it through the guts. He said it was bothering his chickens. I hated that dog anyway, but he could have had the dog picked up. I could have paid a fine, since the owners are responsible for the dog.
If a dog is badly injured by a car, you might want to shoot it. I shot my own dog when she was suffering from cancer. Sometimes the only thing you can do to help them is to end their suffering.
The only thing that separates us from monkeys are the rules we live by, so punish the owner and not the dog.

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from Cogs wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

You shoot my dog and I'm gonna shoot you, pal!

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from bberg7794 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Don't shoot the dog. It's wrong. We teach people in trapping class to make sets to not catch dogs either, kind of assuming that eventually a dog will wander by just about anyplace.

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from Btru5507 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

I would never ever Shoot a dog that was on my land

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

only the rabid or wild ones.beagles will chase deer. mine does occasionaly

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Yeah I guess I did know...And I know how you feel about your dogs, if a game warden said anything like that to me I would have set him straight.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Skeeb, good for you for seeing the error of your ways. We all do things others won't agree with, and you didn't waste anyones time discussing it. I think we all know the difference between wild pack dogs(feral) and pets. I would shoot the feral dogs too but i would not shooot a dog that is someones pet w/out trying to rectify the problem first with the owner. Last archery season, i Stayed an extra day (tuesday of a long weekend) to get a shot at a buck i had seen the day before. I was about to get down after seeing no deer all morning when i saw three deer(Doe) run by, being chased by a farm dog. I literally had to raise my bow back up from the ground, now that i wanted to stay another hour or so. Not two minutes later the three does ran back by my stand, this time being chased by an 8pt buck. I bleeted to stop him and the arrow found it's mark. Not 5 minutes after the dog ran by chasing deer i was climbing down to get my buck.

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from LouDaPainter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Glad to hear you didn't shoot someones pet. Wild, agressive dogs are a different story. If getting a deer is worth killing someones pet then I would quit hunting!

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I agree with that AndyH. I've turned people around and off my land just because their hound was on a scent, they thought they could just hunt my land without even bothering to ask. And what makes it worse is my land borders the state gamelands so we have people coming through all the time.

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from Sharkfin wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I have ben in this situation before. We lease our land and the land owners are paper compnies and one guy that live in another state. I have to drive an hour and 20 minutes to get to my lease. I hunt just about every Saturday and Sunday and I take a week off in November. I've shot two dogs on this property. One was a rough mangy mut that looked like it had been caught in barbed wire or a fight. It was chasing a nice buck and stopped when I whistled. I got a good look at it through my scope and decided to take the shot. The other was a big German Shepherd looking dog that was eating on my deer when I got back with the 4-wheeler. He was not concerned that I was there and growled and snapped at me when I tried to run him off. The deer was already wasted because I wasn't going to process it after that dog had been eating on it. I put a few 9mm rounds in that one. I've probably seen dogs chasing deer 50 times over the past 12 years hunting this property. I get mad, and part of me wants to shoot everyone. All but these two times I just sit there angry. The county that I hunt in has an animal control law that states your animal must remain in your control at all times. That obviously doesn't happen. Most of the time the dogs I see chasing deer are laying in the yards of some of the houses near where I hunt when I leave. I don't like that their dogs are chasing deer that I pay to hunt but I remind myself of the potential consequences of shooting those dogs. I had to remind a hunting buddy of this. If we start shooting every dog we see the people that live around there will start seeking vengence. I've heard of people's tires being cut, windshields broken, etc. I just don't think it is worth it either ethically or due to the potential consequences. I did have one dog in my cross hairs one time. He didn't have a collar but he was clean and healthy. I didn't shoot it. The next weekend I saw that dog again. He was playing with a young boy in one of the yards near the property. I just can't bring myself to do that to that kid just because his parents lack the responsibility to properly manage that dog. I do understand what would make someone want to kill every dog they see on their property. I spend a lot of money on the lease and in the cost of gas and it is a big pain to have the hunt ruined by a dog or two.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

WAmtnhunter,
I should have worded my last comment better, I'm not going to shoot a dog unless it is presenting a danger to me, another person, or my animals.

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from Kentucky Hunter wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

i killed one dog 14 years ago and to this day it eats at me . because it was rong and ilearned that the hard way . humain traps are cheep if dogs are a problem and with the amount of pounds an shelters today no need to kill them.

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from Outdoorchic wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

I will tell you all something, coming from a woman who hunts deer with her dogs. Dont shoot any dogs unless they are threatening your life. Dogs have no effect on deer herds. We run dogs on club land and if we sit right there the deer always turns and comes back with dogs right on their tail. A still hunter told my uncle when he walked in some land to get his dog, he didn't mind him coming in there because he had killed more bucks in front of our dogs than he had ever killed otherwise. He was sitting on a bucket onthe ground!!! My uncle told me this story one time. He said that there was this still hunter who lived right here in our community who was hunting one day. A big nice walker hound came walking by his stand trailing. The man shot the dog, drug it in the woods and then came out bragging what he had done. Later on in life this same man was still hunting and what may happen but for some reason he fell out of his stand. He was unable to get up and he lay there on the ground and wollered. When they found him he had died of his injuries. Injuries that could have been fixed had someone gotten to him in time. My uncle said that the pain that that man felt as he lay dying there was all the dogs he killed maliciously eating at him. So no dont kill dogs. I have raised eight nice black and tan coon hounds since they were two weeks old because a man who doesn't like dogs walking through his land killed their mother. Who kills dogs just because of a deer? You aren't starving that bad. That dog could help run you a deer. Shoot my yard dogsjust ole mutts run the fire out of a deer. I hope also that before you shoot anything be aware of your target. Dont go shooting what you thought was a deer and it be a dog. Done lost a dog like that too. Hunting is a sport, so be one.

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from rudyglove27 wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

"I should have worded my last comment better, I'm not going to shoot a dog unless it is presenting a danger to me, another person, or my animals."
Good choice of your words........
I enjoy reading the post on everyone here!!!!!!!!

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 39 weeks ago

I thought this youtube video was on subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJLO_JI9Pns

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from BarkinSpider wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

I would shoot a feral dog on my property but not a loose domestic... unless of course that dog posed a threat. There is a huge difference. A single stray domestic dog runs more risk of starving or getting eaten by coyotes than running many deer off. A pack of feral dogs however is a threat to every living thing in the area, including you, your pets, livestock, and your kids. I've had words with people who have let their dogs run loose on my property, but that's their fault, not the dogs, and typically, it isn't intentional. If you can return the dog to the owner, you'll have the chance to earn a friend rather than make an enemy by shooting it. If you don't want to catch the dog yourself, with or without a collar, have the authorities come and get it (cops sometimes do it if there is no animal controll.) Even if they end up shooting it, it'll save you a lot of headaches in the future. For those of you who like to arm themselves with facts rather than opinion there is a lot of info out there. Here's an interesting link: http://www.tau.ac.il/lifesci/zoology/members/yom-tov/inbal/dogs.pdf

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from Xplorer wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

I hunt in Virginia where they use dogs to run deer...not my cup of tea, but... There was a dog that howling at me while I was in my tree stand. Had to get down to chase it off, which I'm sure ruined a 1/2 of hunting. When I got back & told my story to the landowner, he asked why I didn't shoot it. I explained that it had a collar, was a pet, etc. He was mad cause I told him I couldn't shoot a dog. He made it seem like I had done something wrong.

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from Btru5507 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

Why would anybody shoot a dog

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from Sarge01 wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

In WV it is against the law for a person to let their dog run a deer. A landowner can only shoot a dog if it is in the same field killing or worrying his livestock. They cannot legally shoot a dog for running deer. The Conservation Officer now Natural Resources Police have the authority to dispose of a dog running deer after an attempt to catch the dog. I have had to dispose of some dogs over the years but they have been dogs that have gone wild . When I saw a dog that was running deer that had a collar on it I made every effort possible to catch the dog or locate the owner. If the owner got lippy about the situation then they received a citation for allowing their dog to run deer and I made an effort to dispose of the dog. Most dog owners I found to be reasonable people and many were friends of mine, but I also have dealt with some that were totally unreasonable. Beagles I found were notorious for running deer. I have owned several beagles myself and besides running deer they are hard headed. A friend of mine put his beagle in a 55 gallon metal barrel with a fresh deer hide and put the lid on the barrel and rolled it off a steep hill and he said the beagle didn't want anything to do with a deer when he got out of the barrel.

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

There is nothing wrong with shooting dogs that run deer. If I don't know who the dog belongs to than I cap them. If you don't know what a pack of dogs can do to deer population in a an area than you have no room to talk. I have seen it personally. Del in Ks is absolutely right. I live in GA, packs of wild dogs are about the most dangerous thing to run into in the woods because the have very little fear of humans and will kill anything. Dogs are not supposed to upset or disturb wild life. If a dog gets shot it's the owners fault for not having control over their dog. Yall go ahead and vote me down now!

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

My dog is "MY" responsabilty. If my dog get its paws on your land because I didn't control him and you want to shoot it. "Go for it." I have shot strays in the past. And some of you really need to put yourselves in a farmers shoes too. We have wild dogs attacking cattle and getting in to peoples livestock. Strays go wild and form packs and even jion Cotoye packs. How many of you shoot Cotoye's just because their in your sites? Hmmm. Cotoye's are just wild dog's, you know that right. I think that bleeding libiral hearts have really got to some of you. Although I would try to find the owner of a dog with a collar I would not condem Skeeb until I really understand his situation. Good Question Skeeb!

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

hunterkid94:
If you werent an illiterate product of inbreeding, you would have had the sense to read the above comments that I made...

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

OH AND WANNA KNOW WHY I DIDNT CONSIDER YOUR OTHER COMMENTS? ITS BECAUSE IM ALMOST SURE YOU DONT SEE THE ERRORS IN YOUR WAYS. YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO KEEP KILLING A LOST PUPPY AND SAY YOU WONT JUST TO GET US OFF YOUR BACK.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Wow did you think of those two comments all by yourself! And no it's because you didn't think of scrolling up because you thought that you saw all of the comments already so you didn't feel like scrolling up to check. Do you know what your last comment reminded me of? Billy Madison! The best movie. But Adam Sandler hasn't been as funny as he used to be...it's a shame. But back to our argument (if you want to call it that) believe what you want, I can't control your thoughts...

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

What puzzles me, I don't understand where some hunters think, just because their dogs are on the chase they have the right to be on my land. Isn't that trespassing?

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from NYhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I'M GLAD EVERY ONES "COOLING OFF"!!

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from NYhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I don't think killing dogs is good but people where getting mad, skeeb mebe you shouldent have posted that thing! It's up to you.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

NYhunter,
This needed to be posted! If everyone didn't get rid of the anger inside them, who knows what could have happened! haha

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I think this is a good subject. This way, we can all try to understand different view points. This little talk could have saved hundreds of dog's lifes. Thats good for PETA, LOL. Its all good, no hate.

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

We don't have dog warden's where I live.

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from buckeye wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

We have some wild dogs where I turkey hunt and they came in one time and tore the heck out of my decoys but we never shoot them. I do know one guy that got tree buy them while he was bow hunting and they ate up the doe he had just shot.

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

If I'm hunting I will not shoot a dog. I think some misunderstand if they attack my animals they're dead statement that I made.

Okay here is my deal I will shoot a dog that attacks my animals my livestock, cattle, chickens, ect... Now, if Im hunting I will not shoot a dog unless I have very good reason, not because I just feel like shooting it. I think you would understand that. If your dogs come on my land and attack my chickens, horses, cattle, or my own dogs, Im not gonna take the time to find you. I'm going to take care of it. Dogs are for the most part smart. "Dogs can't read signs but their owners can in most cases." What if I had a rottwieler and he got loose and decided to play with your little begals. Now if he wanted to kill them he would just do it. He is very capable of it. Would you just stand by and say he's a dog, he don't know any better than to come on my land and play with my dogs. I think there should be a little more understanding, dogs are not humans and do not have a since of whats right unless we teach them. Just because its your dog doesn't mean it has the right to go anyware it pleases and chase anything it wants.

A few years back, we had two momma dogs come up in our yard. They were not ours, obviosly they were strays. They both hatched and gave us over 20 dogs, guess the owner didn't want to be faced with that. So, I called the pound. They didn't care that they were strays and told me to pay $20 a peace of the momma's and $5 a pup. We had a nother female stray come in our yard the next day.

Deer are not my livestock but, I know some have game clubs and have large 10' chainlink fence with razor wire to keep animals out and in. For some reason some hunters feel they have the right to hunt anyware they want and cut, cross, and open gates on private land. Those guys are why so many land owners will not allow hunting anymore.

Some people feel their dog is worth killing a human over? I don't understand that. You might want to do a back ground check before you start shooting people over a dog. Some guys have wives that would show no mercy and are crack shots with a 223, better ask her permission before you shoot her husband. LOL

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from hjohn429 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

We always shoot wild dogs, but in that case there is no way I would have been able to will myself to shoot that dog. We just shoot the wild dogs because we do not want them chasing deer, killing our livestock, or fighting our dogs. That dog should be caught and given a proper owner to keep it away from danger and disease.

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

WA Mthunter

I thinks thats good advice,

I know of laws here in Arkansas that could send a person to jail for 6 years for animal cruelty.
They eat dog in some countrys, cats too. I think that society has come to think because its a domestic animal or pet, it is equal to a human. I have a hard time understanding where people think a dog or cat is worth as much or more than a human life. PETA says killing chickens is unethical. And that Colonel Sanders is a mass murderer.

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from Big C wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I am not a big fan of dogs running around where I hunt either, but I don't know about shooting them on sight.

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from RD wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

Sounds like there are a lot of PETA people answering this question. Sorry for the dogs that get "dumped" onto others' property, it is a slow way to die by starvation or a bullet. But it is not the fault or responsiblity of the landowner to care for these unwanted animals. The humane thing to do is to shoot them. Good luck on trying to find the owner or someone that will take these strays in. On our land we have seen these strays chase deer, turkey, rabbits and anything else than can run. Everyone loses when these animals are allowed to roam.

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from tgrif wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

we have a real problem with wild dogs where I hunt and I shoot all I see without a collar.

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from bgreen902 wrote 4 years 37 weeks ago

Cogs,
you don't have the jewels to shoot Skeeb.

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from m444ss wrote 4 years 36 weeks ago

I shot a feral dog (was in a pack of three) at my grandmother's place one night. The pack was threatening her dog and chickens, and I expected they'd come back if I just chased them off; also could have been rabid. I shot one and killed it; the others ran off. No regrets on that one; however, don't think I'd have shot the beagle pup. Think I would have taken it home and either posted flyers or ads for a found dog.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 4 years 25 weeks ago

i see a lot cats only ever seen one dog and it was small. i think i might start shooting cats as they kill a lot of small game.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 4 years 25 weeks ago

i see a lot cats only ever seen one dog and it was small. i think i might start shooting cats as they kill a lot of small game.

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from wyattblevins wrote 4 years 20 weeks ago

i shot three dogs on my ranch today. happened to get into my cattle.

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from doehunter18 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

im disgusted with people who shoot dogs that run on there property.

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from Sarge01 wrote 1 year 23 weeks ago

In the winter when the snow was on the ground I used to get a lot of calls about packs of dogs running deer. These were dogs that had gone wild and lived off of the land. They were responsible for killing alot of deer. The dog hunters sometimes even helped us to hunt and kill these dogs because they would kill their hunting dogs when they were hunting them in the woods. My fellow officer and I have even had these packs of dogs stalk us and try to jump us. It depends on what kind of dogs you are talking about.

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from dfleer7 wrote 1 year 5 weeks ago

No stories, but I am glad you didn't shoot that dog.

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from jbird wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I understand your problem. I had a huge chow-lookin dog screw up my turkey hunting 4 times this spring. I almost shot him, but couldn't. I could just tell he was someone's pet. Haven't seen him since, so I'm glad he's gone, and not because I killed him. I have shot a dog while deer hunting, he was following me all over this private land. Every time I'd get set-up in a good spot, here he'd come. He'd stop about 50-60 yds. away and just bark and bark. After 3 hours of this I shot him. It made me feel sick. I have 4 dogs myself.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 4 years 25 weeks ago

i see a lot cats only ever seen one dog and it was small. i think i might start shooting cats as they kill a lot of small game.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Well guys, I have to go for now so keep sending me your hate messages, they are very entertaining!

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

are u on meds for your illness? shoot my dog because she is doing what she love(chasing things) ill shoot you. ask the kid on my street who hit my dog....

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from AndyH wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

If they have collars, I'll try to find the owner, If they have no collar they're strays, and if they are attacking my animals they're dead.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Ok, the only way I'm not going to shoot a dog is if I see a collar. Because a dog that doesn't have a collar on is considered stray in my eyes. And dogs ARE animals and when necesesary, they resort back to their natural instincts, same as coyotes pretty much so that could present itself as a danger to me, other people, and my herd. I honestly don't condone killing dogs, but they are a possible danger, And I am glad that I didn't kill that beagle the othre day, it would've made me sick to tell the truth.

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from bgreen902 wrote 4 years 38 weeks ago

skeeb is a good personal friend of mine...he does have psychotic outrages at times..hahah just kidding but he probably wouldnt shoot your dogs unless they were knawing at his ..so leave the damn kid alone he made a mistake by posting this unethical, sick, mental, ignorant question.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

KingFisher:
I am not trying to start anything between anybody but I've seen a shepard kill a newborn fawn. That is the main reason that I do this. So think and do what you want but I'm going to continue doing this regardless what you say.

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

IM NOT A PRODUCT OF INBREEDING YOU SICK, DOG KILLING FREAK. THOSE DOGS WERE PROBABLY LOST AND CHASING DEER BECAUSE THEY WERE STARVING. SO IF YOUR LOST AND TRYING TO KILL DEER DOES THE LAND OWNER GET TO KILL YOU?

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

And I know you all are just expressing your opinion but you don't know what the dogs do up here. And I have 2 dogs myself.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Thank you benjismokin you are one of the few people in this room that has some common sense.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Well first of all my land is up in the "sticks" everyone are farmers with fences so the dogs we see have been out for a while and have been travelling for a miles. And our land is not by any main roads so cars don't kill 'em in my case and we kill bears when they are in season. We kill coyotes when we see them. And we kill BIG dogs when we see them. When I see small beagles or something along those lines, I let them walk because I know that a coyote will get them sooner or later.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

And by the way, when I take care of the dogs, I aim for the head so they don't feel any pain.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Oh and how could I know if a dog is wild or rabid if I have a split second to draw my weapon and decide whether or not to shoot. And also, we don't only have beagles in our woods, my club has seen rotwielers, german shepards, and a ton of muts that were big, strong animals. So to whoever said dogs can't bring deer down: you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Ok, if any of you have anything bad to say don't say it. We shoot dogs because they are on our land and they have run away from their homes. They are considered nuisances to the people in my club. They messed up a full day of turkey hunting for me by chasing a big gobbler and some hens away from where I was hunting so after that, if I see a dog, I USUALLY put a bullet or two in it. ------To WA Mtnhunter:
if I see any dog regardless of its owner, it's going down END OF STORY. So you can make threats that you will never be able to follow up on all you want I'm going to keep doing what I do. I'm not trying to say that I hate dogs(I do feel for them) or anything but if they are a threat to the animals on my land, you know what happens to them.

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