Heck of a nice rifle. This is making the choice decision for my next very hard.

So if i have a grand for a rifle, i should look at a Shaw instead of a Kimber, sounds like? Might treat myself.

Operation Pink Mist

Seals 3, Pirates 0

I Shaw can't find this weapon on the web! Their site only sells barrels. Nice looking 10/22's with a twisted flute I might add. No links or am I blind? By the way send those A-Frames to Ralph Inc. Dave gets to write his off... probably even turns the receipts into Time/Warner and gets reimbursed and THEN claims them too! Tax time anyone???

I'm down with head shots for all pirates!!! They get two or three million if they jack a cargo ship... it's what you call a high risk venture. You win big you lose big. On the news they say the insurance is so crazy if you have weapons on board that the shipping companies would rather pay the ransom than pay the insurance. Second Amendment's ass...

Dr. Ralph, click around on a few of the links on the Shaw website. One of them opens a PDF link that covers the rifle.

That's what I want to see from a bolt gun; holes in the paper all close together. Only an unreasonable love of engraving or hand-cut checkering excuses paying one cent more for a rifle than this one goes for. America has needed a made-to-order rifle that costs less than an acre of land in Florida, and now we have one.

I just got an email from T/C about their ICON line of rifles with 5R rifling - 5 lands and 5 grooves cut with 150° sloped angles.

"That’s quite different from the standard of 6 lands and 6 grooves cut with 90 degree angles. Copper fouling from bullets is reduced as a result of 5R, enabling greater consistency and accuracy. When the bullet is fired, it expands and fills the obturate (drilled hole in the barrel core material) more evenly. By adding boring grooves, T/C barrels provide more consistent velocities and a snug fit where bullet deformation is less likely.

T/C has refined the 5R technique to such a high degree that we certify Minute Of Angle (MOA) accuracy or better for every ICON® rifle and guarantee it on our new T/C Venture™ rifles. When you see the 5R Rifling stamp on the T/C barrel, you can rest assured that this gun will shoot three round groups of 1 inch or less at 100 yards." [sic]

Dave, any chance you can get your hands on one of these rifles and test them out for us?

On another note I've heard that the new thropy bonded bear claws are softer than the old ones, as in they expand more and don't penetrate as deeply. Why are they always trying to reinvent the wheel, or will nobody buy a bullet unless it has a plastic tip on it?

Wa Htnhunter, from what I see Federal doesn't list the TBT as an elk bullet only the TBBC.
Dr. Ralph is right, the other day I went all over Shaws site and there's no way to build a gun and compare prices on their web site. I think we need an order form or telephone.

All:

The phone number to E.R. Shaw is 412 221-3636. You may also attempt 412 221-3468. E.R. Shaw's email address is: sales@ershawbarrels.com.

If you call the first number, you will likely get an automated recording. If so, after listening to it for no more than a moment or two you will begin to harbor very dark and evil thoughts. This is a natural reaction to being boiled alive in electronic hell. Suppress these thoughts as best possible.

If you get the automated voice recording, push "1" on your phone. Be advised that if you push what absolutely appears to be the correct choice--"2"--you will shortly thereafter end up being lost (and alone) in The Matrix. You will then experience a profoundly decreased ability to suppress those very dark and very evil thoughts mentioned above. But try.

After pushing "1" on your phone, you will be sent down down an electronic path to eventually talk with a living person on the other end of the line. Be very clear with this person that you want to talk to someone about having a new E.R. Shaw Mark VII rifle built for you. If you are less than perfectly clear about this, you will be sent to some other department in the company or, worse, will suddenly find yourself listening to a dial tone--meaning you've just been excreted--yes--by The Matrix from the electronic hell you were just in to the ordinary hell of our everyday lives.

Then you will have to start all over again if you really really want an E.R. Shaw rifle.

Good luck in your respective journeys.

TWD

Jim in MO

I don't put too much stock in manufacturer's recommendations for game selection for particular loads. Federal would have you believe that 165 grain Barnes TSX is not an elk bullet. Bull, I say! If a bullet in 180 grain 30-06 is adequate for elk, then the same bullet in 165 grain should be just as good. 15 grains (about 8%) of bullet weight won't make beans for difference at practical ranges. I'm not sure I want to deposit nickel plating in my barrel, either. Those 165 gr. TSX shoot mighty fine in my Weatherby Mark V.

Also, those Federal 165 grain TSX loads clock an average of 2852 fps 15 feet from the muzzle out of my 24 inch tube. That was only 3 rounds, but as I recall there was only about 25 fps extreme spread.

TW: thanks for the phone number.

DEP: sorry, buddy, but someone's got to tell you. "Are you SHAW it's that good?" is a rotten pun. If we don't tell you, who will?

I would also propose a name for the rescue technique the SEALS did against the pirates, where they go "one, two, three, shoot" and take out multiple targets at once; I propose we say from now on that we call such a thing a "Somalia." As in, "They did a Somalia to free the hostages." Or, "They did a Somalia on the bad guys to stop the convoy," etc.

I originally wanted to call that move an "Iron Man" (those of you who saw the flick will understand), but real life should take precedence over a movie. Although saying that you did an Iron Man on the bad guys might sound cooler to the Seals.

I have never owned a gun that was even somewhat custom. This Shaw will probably be as close as I get. When a gunsmith fits a rifle to you, does he do more than adjust length of pull?

All . . .

The following is a little off-topic, but I'm sure will be of interest to everyone who reads this--

Within the F&S blog network in recent weeks, handloaders/shooters have expressed their deep concerns about not being able to find large (or small) rifle primers and related shooting supplies. I called the local Gander Mountain and learned the store had no primers at all (of any kind), and had no idea when the store would be resupplied, if ever. Same deal with MidwayUSA. Same thing with a few other online sources I regularly scout.

Pretty scary.

I thus feel compelled to report to my fellow shooters and handloaders here--and I do feel we are a band of brothers when it comes to shooting and reloading and the like--that only yesterday I found an online store that purports to have primers and some major powders and some major brands of bullets, and might have ammo in stock, too (I didn't look for manufactured ammo). That store is T and T Reloading Inc., at

http://www14.inetba.com/tandtreloading/index2.ivnu

After finding the website and looking through it, I ordered two 1000-round boxes of Federal LR primers, some .257 and 7mm bullets, and some powder. There is a hazmat fee on primers or powder. Prices are a bit above what they were last year--particularly on the primers--but were not stratospheric. My order will take a few days to arrive. My impression is that this online store seems perfectly legitimate and honest, and has phone numbers, a fax number, a physical store location, etc.

I admit that I almost hate to reveal this new (to me) source of ammo goodies to anyone--everyone likes to have a secret resupply source--but I know that many of us here are running dangerously low on supplies, or have run out completely, so here you go. Play the favor forward to others someday.

TWD

T.W. Davidson-
Thanks for trying, anyway!
crm

this is alittle off topic but disturbing none the less. ever since the government put out that list of guns that they are looking to make illegal 7.62x39 ammo is almost impossible to find. everywhere it is on backorder for the next 3 months! except at CHEAPERTHANDIRT.COM what normally sells for $5 a box of 20 they are selling it for $12 a box. when i asked to speak to a manager her reply was that it is the only way they could keep it on the shelves. i told her that they were price gouging their customers and that they should be ashamed of themselves. personally the phrase "cheaper than dirt" in this situation is a crock of bullshit and i for one will NEVER EVER buy from them again! i hope all of you feel the same.

Yes - taking away the guns from us makes you safe. Good one.

Sorry, but we're the ones that will PMC the guy that's about to shoot you when the cops don't show up.

Very interesting information. Impressive gun - I have been looking at an sks rifle but may have to rethink this now.

Looks/ sounds like a really nice rifle. Wouldn't mind getting my hands on one of those. One day... one day...

This ia a verry nice article about the Shaw Mark. Thanks a lot.

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