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May 07, 2009

Bourjaily: One Trigger, Or Two?

By Philip Bourjaily

A lot of you will disagree, some of you perhaps vehemently, but “instant choke selection” is the most overrated advantage of two-trigger guns. On the whole, hunters worry way too much about choke, and they tend to overestimate yardage in the heat of the moment anyway. I always remember my first pheasant hunt with a friend who is a classic side by side shooter and a very experienced uplander. I kicked a pheasant up over his pointer, and, as it was my turn, I waited to let it get out far enough to shoot with my Improved Cylinder 12-gauge. When I finally shot, so did he. Both patterns hit the bird at once and it poofed in a cloud of feathers. While it was still edible, I had to eat around a whole lot of pellets.

“I thought you weren’t going to shoot, so I reached for my back trigger,” he told me.

The back trigger fired his Improved Modified barrel, the one holding a short magnum load of 5 shot. I was twenty yards from the bird when I shot, and he was maybe five yards farther from it, well within the reach of an open choke a much milder load.

Both my doubles have single triggers, as do my  O/Us. I don’t worry about instant choke selection because I believe that straight shooting with an IC choke and a sensible shell handles most upland situations.

However, two-trigger guns have a huge, under-rated advantage over single trigger guns:  they can always fire a second shot. If you have a dud in your first barrel, you reach for the second trigger and try again. If (and this happens to me at least once a year) you shoot a bird, then break open your gun and then another bird flushes before you can reload, you simply close the gun and pull the back trigger. The classic twin trigger double gun is really just two single shots stuck together side by side. Sometimes, that’s a very handy thing to have.

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from The Armchair Ou... wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Horses for courses, as our British friends say, but I believe a firearm should have a trigger for each barrel. As for the choke issue, sporting clays shooters seem to think very minute differences in choke boring are important, and they shoot a lot more than I do.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Two triggers. To be sure, I've never spent enough time thinking about which trigger I'd squeeze during a quail ambush, so it has nothing to do with choke selection for me. I just like the classic look and feel of two triggers. When I finally bought a really nice classic SxS last year, I went out of my way to get one with two triggers.

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from 60256 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

As i say this, please note that i am only a teen with few guns, but i have never seen a gun with two triggers. Is the second right behind the first?

Nate

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from cliff68 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I have shot single trigger over/unders all my life. I have a double trigger side by side that I can shoot just fine on clays, but when a wild bird flushes in front of me I can never remember to pull the rear trigger if I miss the first shot. I practice this a lot and I still can't make myself do it. I guess I'm relegated to single triggers.

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from Mark-1 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

-If I’m strictly hunting birds inertia single trigger are fine. If I’m dealing with the mean, furry stuff I want mechanical single trigger on my double or two-triggers, or I go with a 12-ga pump.

-Chokes: I’m fast enough even these days to hit my birds within 30-yards. I hunt with a dog in my serious wing shooting. That allows me to make those rare true doubles well within 35-yards. As such I use IC in both my barrels. Any tighter 2nd barrel is a handicap for me. This is for all gauges.

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from Brian W. Thair wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

For shooters with relatively small hands, the single trigger saves a lot of knuckle cuts and pain when the recoil shoves that trigger guard back onto your fingers.
With my big hands, DTs have never been a hazard.

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from jasonb wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

My SXS all have double triggers. I like the two triggers and I would guess that their mechanisms are simpler and less likely to fail than a single trigger. Of course, I also prefer extractors over ejectors, so what do I know?

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

"Is the second right behind the first?"

Basically yes.

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from silsbyj wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I have a double trigger Stevens. I havnt ever really thought about the advantage though. I always just pulled the first trigger(I/C) and then the second(MOD).

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

My upland work is done with an O/U 20 gauge with a single selective trigger. The barrel selector hasn't been moved except to clean the gun. Bottom barrel is improved, top is modified. I shoot the improved first. I've had several shotguns with double triggers, both sidebys and O/U's, never did I see an advantage from them. If I dud a barrel in the O/U there is always another chance or another day!

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I just use my 12 gauge O/U and it works fine for me. No I do not have instant choke selection, nor have I really found a time where I needed it or thought about getting a gun with one. I will stay with what works... and not to mention, I am pretty sure, whether you have two triggers or one, your still going to kill something with both.

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from Tony C. wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I duck hunted with a 12-ga. side by side with double triggers years ago. I almost always tried to pull that front trigger twice. I never did get the hang of it and sometimes it beat up my knuckles.

I was just a pup then and I'm thinking of trying it again, but with a short, quick pointing 20 instead of the big 12.

I've got a buddy with a 12-gauge side by side with double triggers. Sometimes he pulls both triggers at the same time just to cream goldeneyes and canvasbacks, but I don't think I could handle it.

I watched him do it one morning, then fished a band-aid out of my wallet for one of his bleeding knuckles.

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from jersey pig wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

single trigger or double trigger its really apples and oranges. i have 3 sxs with double triggers and 2 o/u's, 1 with 2 triggers and 1 with 1 trigger. as i previously ranted about in another thread, 1 o/u's came from a popular manufacturer of bargain double barrels. this bargain gun had 1 trigger and right out of the box the inertia mechanism consitently failed to change barrels effectively turning the gun into a single shot weapon. i also know another person who purchased the same model gun and had the same problem. this was just enough to sour me on single trigger doubles and my next purchase was an o/u with 2 triggers. i'm personally gonna stick with 2 triggers from here on out. but in the long run. if your happy using a single trigger use it. it's all about having fun.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Jersey pig,

I've never had that problem with a Beretta or a Browning. It happened with a Ruger Red label 28 so I returned that POS and got a Beretta 28 end of problem. Never could get used to double triggers or side by side guns. A few yrs ago I saw a guy shooting a 5 figure O/U having the same problem. Think it was a Krieghoff (?).

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from duckcreekdick wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I am embarrassed to say that I often do not remember which way the little, thingy button goes on my SKB 100 SxS to fire the right barrel first. I haven't met the shooter yet who can diddle with that selector when the rooster flushes. Double triggers for double guns, I say. Shooting a single-triggered double shotgun is like shooting over a pointing Lab. Both are unnatural acts.

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from NolanOsborne wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

maybe i've got it backwards, i always fire the rear trigger first, and then the front.
i was pretty sure my barrels were set that way.. maybe im crazy.

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from soggy wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Well, I am with the folks who have indicated a solid preference for one or the other. I have a Model 21, and SKB 100 with single triggers, two O/Us with singles, and an AYA and Parker with two. The rest are pumps and semis. So I am totally messed up shooting a two trigger gun.

Soggy.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Oh no, it's double triggers. That's the way God intended them to be.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

For years I carried a pump shotgun, but always wanted a double; So when I purchased my first over/under I naturally chose a single trigger model. I just thought a 2-trigger gun was odd? Either way, I am comfortable with it and both barrels wear improved chokes.

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from Nathan Pinney wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I learned to shoot with my grandfather's Model 12 20 guage. After shooting a s x s I never looked back. 2 triggers all the way.

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from hunt_fish_sleep wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Benefit of two triggers is that you can literally "give 'em hell with both barrels" at the same time.

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from Sharkfin wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I've had two SxS with double triggers but just never got used to them. Once I had been deer hunting and had an opportunity to hunt dove on a farm that belonged to a friend of my father-in-law. I met him out there and realized I didn't have my plug in my pump so he gave me his big old 12ga SxS. I shot one dove, nearly jerked the foregrip off the thing then remembered what I was doing and tried the first trigger again before moving to the second trigger under clear skies. Then went and found a stick to use as a plug for my pump. Hard to change things up when you are so used to something very different.

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

1 trigger for skeet, two for Pheasant

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from duff wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Phil, I shoot all single triggers-Citoris in all guages, and an Auto-5 12 guage only. Of course I've got an old Topper for starting kids. I do have an old Riverside Arms Co. 12 guage S*S in 12,with 2 triggers but it can't be fired anymore-it'd blow up I'm sure. It now hangs over a mantle. Use to shoot doubles that others at the range let me try, and while I enjoyed them, I never used them enough to get used to them. As Mike Diehl said-they sure look nice!
Hey Armchair, either your dog or mine seems to get around.
Thanks!

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from ishawooa wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

In spite of what I normally shoot I think my next upland gun will be a 20 ga S x S, preferably fixed chokes, double triggers, extractors, and splinter forearm. The old KISS principle must be taking effect in my old age. Even though ejectors increase the ability to reload I have to search for the empties as I have this "thing" about leaving them laying around all over the place. Not only is it an eyesore, environmentally incorrect, but it also says bad things about hunters who don't care enough to pick them up. Like diamonds plastic lasts forever.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Ishawooa

I think I will seriously pattern my 20 ga. Stevens and start using it for upland shooting. I think the full/modified barrels are choked a bit too tight, so those might need to be modified by my 'smith.

I hear you on the empties. That is the one thing about my autoloader that I don't like. It flings the ejected hulls so far that I have a hard time finding them in the grass. I try to pick all of them up, but I miss a few. I also pick up other's hulls and brass when I find them. Trash, too. I take a plastic bag on almost every waterfowl trip and bring out as much trash as practical. Leaves the land a little better than I found it.

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from elkshane wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Had a North American Arms Derby SxS a few years back with double triggers. I loved the look and feel of the Derby. The only problem I ever had with the double triggers was when hunting with a bit heavier field loads and since the front trigger was not "articulated" it would bite my trigger finger when I fired the rear trigger.
As soon as I win some sort of lottery, I am certainly going to go out an replace that Derby with similar, but with a front articulated trigger ....

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from blueridge wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Good post, Phil, and I agree with you. I shoot either, myself...my O/U's have single triggers, but my little 20 s/s has double set. The only problem I have experienced is the 20 ga. is now doubling, shooting both barrels at once. Yes...I am taking it to the shop. Thought it kicked a little more.

Blue

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from blueridge wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

The 20 ga. doesn't have double set...the rifleman in me creeps out....the 20 has double triggers.

There. Before you guys correct me.

Blue

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from BarkeyVA wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I started shooting a 20 ga. Ithaca Model 37 pump at age 12. As a teenager, I got a 12 ga. Marlin Model 90DT O/U (still have it). In addition to a number of DT Model 90's, I also have two single trigger O/U's, a double trigger SxS, a semi-auto and three pump guns. I shoot all of them and have never had a problem transitioning from one to the other.

Some of my guns have manual safties and others have automatic safeties. I always make sure the safety is on when carrying a loaded gun in the field. A problem I do have when shooting skeet or sporting clays is sometimes forgetting to push the automatic safety off before calling for the target.

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from shane wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Two barrels, two triggers. Makes sense.

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from sarg wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I remember reading one time that professional geese hunters would shoot the Full choke first for a direct kill, then as the birds moved away, they would shoot the Mod. barrel for a chance at another goose. I always did the oppsite while upland hunting. Sounds logical to me. anyone agree?

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from The Armchair Ou... wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

duff, check out the pic of my dog Pete I just uploaded. Apparently both of our dogs get around by parcel post!

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I want 2 triggers for any dble bbl firearm. I have a Fox, in l6 ga, a Stevens in 12, and a WC Scott with exposed hammers in 12. I feel that you need a trigger for each bbl. I also own 2 custom built rifles with dble set trigges along with my T/C HAwken B/P 54 Cal and a T/C Renegade with dble set trigges. I love the dble set on my centerfire rifles. But, all depends on what,where, and with whom I'm hunting with if I use the dble set. Some times i just use the one trigger. Earlier production rifles had such a heavy pull, that he dble set became necessary to avoid a pull off to the right. Now with the adjustable triggers I now use the Rem 700's entiely when on a Guided hunt or hunting with othe hunters. For some reason, I don;t trust the single triggr on shotguns. With 2 trigges, and one fails, you got the 2nd as a back up. I've had many mis-fires on shot shells and the dble trigges save the day. But here we go again, it's what we want and use to shooting.I recall my first single shot gun at 10 yrs of age, and thought I was on top of the world. Too bad we all spoiled now and want more. Make that first shot count and no worry needed about a 2nd shot. As I've said many times shoot-um-straight and pratice a lot and often.

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from blueridge wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

sarg...I agree...shoot the first barrel with the bird[s] well within range, and shoot the second barrel as they are heading out of range. It is one of the advantages of the double trigger.

Blue

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from duckcreekdick wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Great to hear from Ishawooa and WaMtnhunter about picking up shotshell empties and trash. I live right across the road from a state wildlife area and as a Division of Wildlife volunteer, I do my bit to keep things tidy when I do the daily dog walk on this property. Hell, I even have my name on a sign at one of the property's parking lots. Seems like every rain brings up another crop of old shotgun shells to the surface in the food plots. I would encourage others to volunteer with their Game and Fish departments.

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from cliff68 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Why is it that most side by sides have automatic safeties. Those things are abominations.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

There is something about double triggers on a sxs that causes me to momentarily slow down on the second shot and adjust lead or align on the second bird instead of triggering two fast shots with a single trigger. I shot in a SXS sporting clays event today with a 103 year old Fox choked .035 & .045 (full & xtra full) close targets were puffed, long targets were broken cleanly. Misses were the fault of the ass behind the gun, not the chokes or the shells.
Michael

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from buckstopper wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Phil,
Didn't Dashiel Hammond write about the double trigger automatic shotgun along with the automatic .38 revolver?

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from ishawooa wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

WAhunter a friend of mine has the old Stevens in all gauges. He bought them when it was all he could afford. Now he owns a rack full of expensive S x S guns including my coveted desire Connecticut 20. One of the Stevens was restocked somewhere along the way before he bought it with nicely checkered better than average figured wood. It is a very attractive and useful gun. Those old doubles were hard to beat for the money, still are if you can find one for sale.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Ishawooa

I bought my Stevens 20 SxS at a moving sale for $170 a couple of years ago. It has an aftermarket pad installed, but I guess these things aren't that "collectible", so who cares? The metalwork is in excellent condition, but it is a little stiff in the action. Sort of hard to open completely. Crows and grouse are the intended victims anyway. My Savage 24 .22LR/20 ga. has put a a few grouse on the table and taken many rats and crows. Those are the only 20's that I own. everything else is 12 ga.

My brother has a bunch of those Stevens 311 series doubles that he has refinished and spruced up. I know he has a 12 and a couple of 16's, and some 20's. He has over 60 shotguns, mostly .410's. Fo what, I don't know. For him. it's old shotguns; for me it's rifles!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

@duckcreekdick

I have always thought, "How is leaving empty hulls/brass lying around any different from pop cans and candy wrappers?" All littering to me, I suppose. No small wonder so much land is closed off to hunting and shooting.

BTW, are you near the Duck Creek near the Crazy Mountains in MT? I know there are gazillions of "Duck Creek's" around. Just a thought.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

"All littering to me, I suppose."

I agree completely. U should see some of the junk I clean that's obviously been left behind by people shooting on public lands. Computer monitors, construction stuff, beater tables, a small cube type fridge, lawn chairs, bottles, empy ammo boxes, car batteries, and all manner of shot up stuff, plus the spent brass. Once I dragged out a cylinder head. Another time a dept store dummy. I always bring some lawn and garden bags when I go out for preseason scouting, so that I can bring back the detritus that yahoos leave behind.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

It shames me to even visit some of the DNR gravel pits in our area. I have seen everything you listed except the department store dummy, but would add paint cans, freon cannisters, old TV's, and other stuff that are hazmat if you try to take them to the dump!

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

High $$$ shotguns are nice to own and wipe and rub, but when huntin time rolls around, My Stevens or Fox goes with me. Both ahve dble trigges and I think in my experience a single trigger is asking fo a mis-fire. I don't trust that switch over on a single trigger. Would like a dble bbl 30-06 rifle like EAA made at one time, then sold them to Rem of which Rem never was able to prodce in quanaties needed. May try to fnd one of the use EAA's in 06. Shoot-um-straight and very often.

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

High $$$ shotguns are nice to own and wipe and rub, but when huntin time rolls around, My Stevens or Fox goes with me. Both ahve dble trigges and I think in my experience a single trigger is asking fo a mis-fire. I don't trust that switch over on a single trigger. Would like a dble bbl 30-06 rifle like EAA made at one time, then sold them to Rem of which Rem never was able to prodce in quanaties needed. May try to fnd one of the use EAA's in 06. Shoot-um-straight and very often.

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from rserwe44 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Im only thirteen and dont have an double barrel shotgun, but how do you keep from pulling both triggers and getting a sore shoulder?

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

The triggers are in a fore and aft arrangement. You can pretty much only fire both triggers at once if you push two fingers through the trigger guard.

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Reserve 44: you pull both trigers once and you will never again.AS your shoulder will be out of whack for a while. As stated above the trigges are not directly across from each other, one is in fron of the other and no reason to pull the 2nd unless needed. A tad of pratice with dummy shells will cure you of pulling both at once.AS for the 2nd trigger slowing you down, that's good, as will give you a second or two to get ready and on target for the 2nd shot. The 2nd bbl should be choked tighter therefore giving you a smaller pattern at longer distance. Most shotgunnes rush the 2nd shot, a mistake. Take your time, aim and fire in front of your game.

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from Newenglandcharters wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

American Shotguns should have 2 Triggers and Two Barrels Side by Side of the Largest Guage you can find. (You can allways download your reloadsbut you cant go the other way)

If God ment us to be shooting single trigger Over Unders he would have made us British.

Capt Walt

Newenglandcharters@maine.rr.com

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 38 weeks ago

I been wanting a dble bbl side by side 30-06 of which EAA made or impoted at one time. Then they got involved with Remington and Rem. listed the dble bbl rifle at a pricre triple of what EAA had. I contacted EAA this week and was informed that Rem did not actually buy their dble rifles an they were avilable from certain Wholesales.The supply is far greater than the supply, but are available, but be preared for a long wait. One wholesaler ZANDERS can/will ordr you one if desired. So if interested, cotact your gun dealr and hav them contact ZAnders Wholesaer and order you one. Now for price I hae no Idea,but will find out next week and when could expect to received one.I would like one for my next trip tothe Rockies, so hopefully can get by Oct. Shoot-um-straight and often.Its a Beautiful firearm, with the left bbl havinga jack screw to align it with the riht bbl.It comes with sights,but drlled for scopes.. Also is in beautiful Walnut.Looks like a dble bbl s x s 410.

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from bowhrad wrote 2 years 38 weeks ago

I grew up using a double trigger on a 16 ga. Parker. For me it was always easy to adapt and learn and I never missed a bird because of such. That gun was choked a tight Modified and a tighter Full. Those double triggers were advantageous when dove hunting. I can remember hunting in Maryland and taking incoming doves further out first with the full-choked barrel, then the next bird closer with the modified barrel. Ditto for taking a bird up close and missing(?), and then taking it further away with the tighter choke.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Ishawooa

I think I will seriously pattern my 20 ga. Stevens and start using it for upland shooting. I think the full/modified barrels are choked a bit too tight, so those might need to be modified by my 'smith.

I hear you on the empties. That is the one thing about my autoloader that I don't like. It flings the ejected hulls so far that I have a hard time finding them in the grass. I try to pick all of them up, but I miss a few. I also pick up other's hulls and brass when I find them. Trash, too. I take a plastic bag on almost every waterfowl trip and bring out as much trash as practical. Leaves the land a little better than I found it.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

The triggers are in a fore and aft arrangement. You can pretty much only fire both triggers at once if you push two fingers through the trigger guard.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Two triggers. To be sure, I've never spent enough time thinking about which trigger I'd squeeze during a quail ambush, so it has nothing to do with choke selection for me. I just like the classic look and feel of two triggers. When I finally bought a really nice classic SxS last year, I went out of my way to get one with two triggers.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

"Is the second right behind the first?"

Basically yes.

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from duckcreekdick wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I am embarrassed to say that I often do not remember which way the little, thingy button goes on my SKB 100 SxS to fire the right barrel first. I haven't met the shooter yet who can diddle with that selector when the rooster flushes. Double triggers for double guns, I say. Shooting a single-triggered double shotgun is like shooting over a pointing Lab. Both are unnatural acts.

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from ishawooa wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

In spite of what I normally shoot I think my next upland gun will be a 20 ga S x S, preferably fixed chokes, double triggers, extractors, and splinter forearm. The old KISS principle must be taking effect in my old age. Even though ejectors increase the ability to reload I have to search for the empties as I have this "thing" about leaving them laying around all over the place. Not only is it an eyesore, environmentally incorrect, but it also says bad things about hunters who don't care enough to pick them up. Like diamonds plastic lasts forever.

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from duckcreekdick wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Great to hear from Ishawooa and WaMtnhunter about picking up shotshell empties and trash. I live right across the road from a state wildlife area and as a Division of Wildlife volunteer, I do my bit to keep things tidy when I do the daily dog walk on this property. Hell, I even have my name on a sign at one of the property's parking lots. Seems like every rain brings up another crop of old shotgun shells to the surface in the food plots. I would encourage others to volunteer with their Game and Fish departments.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

@duckcreekdick

I have always thought, "How is leaving empty hulls/brass lying around any different from pop cans and candy wrappers?" All littering to me, I suppose. No small wonder so much land is closed off to hunting and shooting.

BTW, are you near the Duck Creek near the Crazy Mountains in MT? I know there are gazillions of "Duck Creek's" around. Just a thought.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

"All littering to me, I suppose."

I agree completely. U should see some of the junk I clean that's obviously been left behind by people shooting on public lands. Computer monitors, construction stuff, beater tables, a small cube type fridge, lawn chairs, bottles, empy ammo boxes, car batteries, and all manner of shot up stuff, plus the spent brass. Once I dragged out a cylinder head. Another time a dept store dummy. I always bring some lawn and garden bags when I go out for preseason scouting, so that I can bring back the detritus that yahoos leave behind.

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from The Armchair Ou... wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Horses for courses, as our British friends say, but I believe a firearm should have a trigger for each barrel. As for the choke issue, sporting clays shooters seem to think very minute differences in choke boring are important, and they shoot a lot more than I do.

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from cliff68 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I have shot single trigger over/unders all my life. I have a double trigger side by side that I can shoot just fine on clays, but when a wild bird flushes in front of me I can never remember to pull the rear trigger if I miss the first shot. I practice this a lot and I still can't make myself do it. I guess I'm relegated to single triggers.

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from Mark-1 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

-If I’m strictly hunting birds inertia single trigger are fine. If I’m dealing with the mean, furry stuff I want mechanical single trigger on my double or two-triggers, or I go with a 12-ga pump.

-Chokes: I’m fast enough even these days to hit my birds within 30-yards. I hunt with a dog in my serious wing shooting. That allows me to make those rare true doubles well within 35-yards. As such I use IC in both my barrels. Any tighter 2nd barrel is a handicap for me. This is for all gauges.

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from Brian W. Thair wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

For shooters with relatively small hands, the single trigger saves a lot of knuckle cuts and pain when the recoil shoves that trigger guard back onto your fingers.
With my big hands, DTs have never been a hazard.

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from silsbyj wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I have a double trigger Stevens. I havnt ever really thought about the advantage though. I always just pulled the first trigger(I/C) and then the second(MOD).

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

My upland work is done with an O/U 20 gauge with a single selective trigger. The barrel selector hasn't been moved except to clean the gun. Bottom barrel is improved, top is modified. I shoot the improved first. I've had several shotguns with double triggers, both sidebys and O/U's, never did I see an advantage from them. If I dud a barrel in the O/U there is always another chance or another day!

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I just use my 12 gauge O/U and it works fine for me. No I do not have instant choke selection, nor have I really found a time where I needed it or thought about getting a gun with one. I will stay with what works... and not to mention, I am pretty sure, whether you have two triggers or one, your still going to kill something with both.

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from Tony C. wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I duck hunted with a 12-ga. side by side with double triggers years ago. I almost always tried to pull that front trigger twice. I never did get the hang of it and sometimes it beat up my knuckles.

I was just a pup then and I'm thinking of trying it again, but with a short, quick pointing 20 instead of the big 12.

I've got a buddy with a 12-gauge side by side with double triggers. Sometimes he pulls both triggers at the same time just to cream goldeneyes and canvasbacks, but I don't think I could handle it.

I watched him do it one morning, then fished a band-aid out of my wallet for one of his bleeding knuckles.

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from jersey pig wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

single trigger or double trigger its really apples and oranges. i have 3 sxs with double triggers and 2 o/u's, 1 with 2 triggers and 1 with 1 trigger. as i previously ranted about in another thread, 1 o/u's came from a popular manufacturer of bargain double barrels. this bargain gun had 1 trigger and right out of the box the inertia mechanism consitently failed to change barrels effectively turning the gun into a single shot weapon. i also know another person who purchased the same model gun and had the same problem. this was just enough to sour me on single trigger doubles and my next purchase was an o/u with 2 triggers. i'm personally gonna stick with 2 triggers from here on out. but in the long run. if your happy using a single trigger use it. it's all about having fun.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Jersey pig,

I've never had that problem with a Beretta or a Browning. It happened with a Ruger Red label 28 so I returned that POS and got a Beretta 28 end of problem. Never could get used to double triggers or side by side guns. A few yrs ago I saw a guy shooting a 5 figure O/U having the same problem. Think it was a Krieghoff (?).

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from NolanOsborne wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

maybe i've got it backwards, i always fire the rear trigger first, and then the front.
i was pretty sure my barrels were set that way.. maybe im crazy.

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from soggy wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Well, I am with the folks who have indicated a solid preference for one or the other. I have a Model 21, and SKB 100 with single triggers, two O/Us with singles, and an AYA and Parker with two. The rest are pumps and semis. So I am totally messed up shooting a two trigger gun.

Soggy.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Oh no, it's double triggers. That's the way God intended them to be.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

For years I carried a pump shotgun, but always wanted a double; So when I purchased my first over/under I naturally chose a single trigger model. I just thought a 2-trigger gun was odd? Either way, I am comfortable with it and both barrels wear improved chokes.

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from Nathan Pinney wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I learned to shoot with my grandfather's Model 12 20 guage. After shooting a s x s I never looked back. 2 triggers all the way.

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from hunt_fish_sleep wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Benefit of two triggers is that you can literally "give 'em hell with both barrels" at the same time.

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from Sharkfin wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I've had two SxS with double triggers but just never got used to them. Once I had been deer hunting and had an opportunity to hunt dove on a farm that belonged to a friend of my father-in-law. I met him out there and realized I didn't have my plug in my pump so he gave me his big old 12ga SxS. I shot one dove, nearly jerked the foregrip off the thing then remembered what I was doing and tried the first trigger again before moving to the second trigger under clear skies. Then went and found a stick to use as a plug for my pump. Hard to change things up when you are so used to something very different.

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

1 trigger for skeet, two for Pheasant

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from duff wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Phil, I shoot all single triggers-Citoris in all guages, and an Auto-5 12 guage only. Of course I've got an old Topper for starting kids. I do have an old Riverside Arms Co. 12 guage S*S in 12,with 2 triggers but it can't be fired anymore-it'd blow up I'm sure. It now hangs over a mantle. Use to shoot doubles that others at the range let me try, and while I enjoyed them, I never used them enough to get used to them. As Mike Diehl said-they sure look nice!
Hey Armchair, either your dog or mine seems to get around.
Thanks!

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from elkshane wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Had a North American Arms Derby SxS a few years back with double triggers. I loved the look and feel of the Derby. The only problem I ever had with the double triggers was when hunting with a bit heavier field loads and since the front trigger was not "articulated" it would bite my trigger finger when I fired the rear trigger.
As soon as I win some sort of lottery, I am certainly going to go out an replace that Derby with similar, but with a front articulated trigger ....

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from blueridge wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Good post, Phil, and I agree with you. I shoot either, myself...my O/U's have single triggers, but my little 20 s/s has double set. The only problem I have experienced is the 20 ga. is now doubling, shooting both barrels at once. Yes...I am taking it to the shop. Thought it kicked a little more.

Blue

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from blueridge wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

The 20 ga. doesn't have double set...the rifleman in me creeps out....the 20 has double triggers.

There. Before you guys correct me.

Blue

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from BarkeyVA wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I started shooting a 20 ga. Ithaca Model 37 pump at age 12. As a teenager, I got a 12 ga. Marlin Model 90DT O/U (still have it). In addition to a number of DT Model 90's, I also have two single trigger O/U's, a double trigger SxS, a semi-auto and three pump guns. I shoot all of them and have never had a problem transitioning from one to the other.

Some of my guns have manual safties and others have automatic safeties. I always make sure the safety is on when carrying a loaded gun in the field. A problem I do have when shooting skeet or sporting clays is sometimes forgetting to push the automatic safety off before calling for the target.

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from shane wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Two barrels, two triggers. Makes sense.

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from sarg wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I remember reading one time that professional geese hunters would shoot the Full choke first for a direct kill, then as the birds moved away, they would shoot the Mod. barrel for a chance at another goose. I always did the oppsite while upland hunting. Sounds logical to me. anyone agree?

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from The Armchair Ou... wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

duff, check out the pic of my dog Pete I just uploaded. Apparently both of our dogs get around by parcel post!

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I want 2 triggers for any dble bbl firearm. I have a Fox, in l6 ga, a Stevens in 12, and a WC Scott with exposed hammers in 12. I feel that you need a trigger for each bbl. I also own 2 custom built rifles with dble set trigges along with my T/C HAwken B/P 54 Cal and a T/C Renegade with dble set trigges. I love the dble set on my centerfire rifles. But, all depends on what,where, and with whom I'm hunting with if I use the dble set. Some times i just use the one trigger. Earlier production rifles had such a heavy pull, that he dble set became necessary to avoid a pull off to the right. Now with the adjustable triggers I now use the Rem 700's entiely when on a Guided hunt or hunting with othe hunters. For some reason, I don;t trust the single triggr on shotguns. With 2 trigges, and one fails, you got the 2nd as a back up. I've had many mis-fires on shot shells and the dble trigges save the day. But here we go again, it's what we want and use to shooting.I recall my first single shot gun at 10 yrs of age, and thought I was on top of the world. Too bad we all spoiled now and want more. Make that first shot count and no worry needed about a 2nd shot. As I've said many times shoot-um-straight and pratice a lot and often.

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from blueridge wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

sarg...I agree...shoot the first barrel with the bird[s] well within range, and shoot the second barrel as they are heading out of range. It is one of the advantages of the double trigger.

Blue

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from ishawooa wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

WAhunter a friend of mine has the old Stevens in all gauges. He bought them when it was all he could afford. Now he owns a rack full of expensive S x S guns including my coveted desire Connecticut 20. One of the Stevens was restocked somewhere along the way before he bought it with nicely checkered better than average figured wood. It is a very attractive and useful gun. Those old doubles were hard to beat for the money, still are if you can find one for sale.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Ishawooa

I bought my Stevens 20 SxS at a moving sale for $170 a couple of years ago. It has an aftermarket pad installed, but I guess these things aren't that "collectible", so who cares? The metalwork is in excellent condition, but it is a little stiff in the action. Sort of hard to open completely. Crows and grouse are the intended victims anyway. My Savage 24 .22LR/20 ga. has put a a few grouse on the table and taken many rats and crows. Those are the only 20's that I own. everything else is 12 ga.

My brother has a bunch of those Stevens 311 series doubles that he has refinished and spruced up. I know he has a 12 and a couple of 16's, and some 20's. He has over 60 shotguns, mostly .410's. Fo what, I don't know. For him. it's old shotguns; for me it's rifles!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

It shames me to even visit some of the DNR gravel pits in our area. I have seen everything you listed except the department store dummy, but would add paint cans, freon cannisters, old TV's, and other stuff that are hazmat if you try to take them to the dump!

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

High $$$ shotguns are nice to own and wipe and rub, but when huntin time rolls around, My Stevens or Fox goes with me. Both ahve dble trigges and I think in my experience a single trigger is asking fo a mis-fire. I don't trust that switch over on a single trigger. Would like a dble bbl 30-06 rifle like EAA made at one time, then sold them to Rem of which Rem never was able to prodce in quanaties needed. May try to fnd one of the use EAA's in 06. Shoot-um-straight and very often.

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

High $$$ shotguns are nice to own and wipe and rub, but when huntin time rolls around, My Stevens or Fox goes with me. Both ahve dble trigges and I think in my experience a single trigger is asking fo a mis-fire. I don't trust that switch over on a single trigger. Would like a dble bbl 30-06 rifle like EAA made at one time, then sold them to Rem of which Rem never was able to prodce in quanaties needed. May try to fnd one of the use EAA's in 06. Shoot-um-straight and very often.

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from rserwe44 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Im only thirteen and dont have an double barrel shotgun, but how do you keep from pulling both triggers and getting a sore shoulder?

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Reserve 44: you pull both trigers once and you will never again.AS your shoulder will be out of whack for a while. As stated above the trigges are not directly across from each other, one is in fron of the other and no reason to pull the 2nd unless needed. A tad of pratice with dummy shells will cure you of pulling both at once.AS for the 2nd trigger slowing you down, that's good, as will give you a second or two to get ready and on target for the 2nd shot. The 2nd bbl should be choked tighter therefore giving you a smaller pattern at longer distance. Most shotgunnes rush the 2nd shot, a mistake. Take your time, aim and fire in front of your game.

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from Newenglandcharters wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

American Shotguns should have 2 Triggers and Two Barrels Side by Side of the Largest Guage you can find. (You can allways download your reloadsbut you cant go the other way)

If God ment us to be shooting single trigger Over Unders he would have made us British.

Capt Walt

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from 60256 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

As i say this, please note that i am only a teen with few guns, but i have never seen a gun with two triggers. Is the second right behind the first?

Nate

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from jasonb wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

My SXS all have double triggers. I like the two triggers and I would guess that their mechanisms are simpler and less likely to fail than a single trigger. Of course, I also prefer extractors over ejectors, so what do I know?

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from cliff68 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Why is it that most side by sides have automatic safeties. Those things are abominations.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

There is something about double triggers on a sxs that causes me to momentarily slow down on the second shot and adjust lead or align on the second bird instead of triggering two fast shots with a single trigger. I shot in a SXS sporting clays event today with a 103 year old Fox choked .035 & .045 (full & xtra full) close targets were puffed, long targets were broken cleanly. Misses were the fault of the ass behind the gun, not the chokes or the shells.
Michael

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from buckstopper wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Phil,
Didn't Dashiel Hammond write about the double trigger automatic shotgun along with the automatic .38 revolver?

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 38 weeks ago

I been wanting a dble bbl side by side 30-06 of which EAA made or impoted at one time. Then they got involved with Remington and Rem. listed the dble bbl rifle at a pricre triple of what EAA had. I contacted EAA this week and was informed that Rem did not actually buy their dble rifles an they were avilable from certain Wholesales.The supply is far greater than the supply, but are available, but be preared for a long wait. One wholesaler ZANDERS can/will ordr you one if desired. So if interested, cotact your gun dealr and hav them contact ZAnders Wholesaer and order you one. Now for price I hae no Idea,but will find out next week and when could expect to received one.I would like one for my next trip tothe Rockies, so hopefully can get by Oct. Shoot-um-straight and often.Its a Beautiful firearm, with the left bbl havinga jack screw to align it with the riht bbl.It comes with sights,but drlled for scopes.. Also is in beautiful Walnut.Looks like a dble bbl s x s 410.

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from bowhrad wrote 2 years 38 weeks ago

I grew up using a double trigger on a 16 ga. Parker. For me it was always easy to adapt and learn and I never missed a bird because of such. That gun was choked a tight Modified and a tighter Full. Those double triggers were advantageous when dove hunting. I can remember hunting in Maryland and taking incoming doves further out first with the full-choked barrel, then the next bird closer with the modified barrel. Ditto for taking a bird up close and missing(?), and then taking it further away with the tighter choke.

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